The thing is as an external observer who hates Football it seems obvious to me. We've the richest and most dynamic Premier League in the world. We secretly really like this or why else would we pay the huge Sky Subscription. Our Football mirrors England since Thatcher; Rich, free market, deregulated and global. We enjoy the benefits yet have a subconscious ' Brexit ' delusion. That one day via the England team winning a major tournament we'll return to prelapsarian football which was somehow stolen from us. The obvious problem being that in terms of money AND glory playing for England for English players is not the pinnacle of the game. In fact it's a tiresome distraction. Rather like spending Christmas dinner with family you hate. But convention says it has to be done. We moan about it as a nation but when push comes to shove we prefer our Sky Subscriptions rather than supporting the local version of Accrington Stanley. I suppose on the paradigm the Brexit vote is finally cancelling the Sky Subscription in protest at globalised Football but still expecting to be able to watch games.
I suspect all of our (former) friends colleagues and partners are rejoicing at the result. A fucking clusterfuck of a fortnight in a horribly diminished nation
Nah. We told the fucking EU where to go. We did what no other European nation, I don't think, would dare to do, in an in-out referendum. We were bullied and menaced, and we still told them where to go.
However you look at it, that is quite a gritty attitude from a fairly indomitable nation.
It may turn out to be a disaster, sure: but you have to admire the gumption.
In other words, we are idiotic. Nothing to be proud of. We've been humiliated - we feel small right now, licking our wounds and contemplating our stupidity.
Speak for yourself! The EU is a corrupt, undemocratic mess - no one disputes that - a mess with aneamic growth, bad demographics, a refugee crisis, failing banks, and no real future unless it Federalises - no one disputes any of that, either. And we therefore made a calculated decision to leave.
It will hurt. Maybe it will hurt too much. Maybe the union will shatter. But there is a very very good argument for what we did, setting aside the fact we simply cannot sustain unlimited immigration which is what staying entails.
I'm known for my absurd bipolarity but really, the bizarre idea we have left Nirvana to go to hell is fecking idiotic. Leaving is risky, but staying was a very unpalatable alternative, too. So the people, in their inscrutable wisdom, have bravely taken that leap.
I think it's because we've trashed the currency and are trashing the economy and genuinely thinking about putting an adulterer with personality deficiencies into No 10 because he may be the only chance of getting a EEA/EFTA deal in place.
I suspect all of our (former) friends colleagues and partners are rejoicing at the result. A fucking clusterfuck of a fortnight in a horribly diminished nation
Nah. We told the fucking EU where to go. We did what no other European nation, I don't think, would dare to do, in an in-out referendum. We were bullied and menaced, and we still told them where to go.
However you look at it, that is quite a gritty attitude from a fairly indomitable nation.
It may turn out to be a disaster, sure: but you have to admire the gumption.
I hope that thought keeps you warm in the years to come Sean! Personally I don't see anything very brave at sticking two fingers up to everybody, particularly if we end up cutting our nose off to spite our face.
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Read your own post. You said the effing morons won and voted us out. You called 17 million voters effing morons. If that's not nasty what is? Or do you stand by it?
A sad fortnight to be English. First we get the fucking morons disgracing our country saying "fuck off Europe, we're voting out", then they win and vote us out, now we lose and are out.
The red lines that are emerging are being in the single market and restrictions on free movement. EEA/EFTA won't wash following a campaign based on immigration.
What if the easiest way to achieve that is a new deal within the EU?
Then we're screwed, since they won't want us now at any price. Will just have to work hard at the outside options.
1) Working with a usually cheerful, but unusually downbeat Spanish nurse today. She is staying for the short term but no longer thinks she has a future in the NHS. She says the Facebook group of Spanish nurses are all saying the same, or have put plans to come to the UK off.
2) The daughter of a friend of mine (him Welsh, wife Polish, been in the Midlands 5 years after marrying in Poland) abused in the school playground for her accent. "Poles and Blacks go home!" This was in a twee village not inner city.
3) Spoke to an old friend, now senior in the FCO. He says it really is true. There is no frigging plan.
If it's not about reversing the first vote (political suicide, that), what's the point of a second referendum - the Leave campaign, being the establishment now, might find the people will give the 'wrong' answer again.
Indeed. What happens if the deal is rejected in the referendum There will be a clamour to have a "don't leave after all" option on the ballot.
It should be an option, not to leave. I think a range of options would be best, on the ballot.
Is the Iceland manager not available after this tournament?
Michael O'Neil is a remarkable manager. I think England might want to consider him.
The idiots of the FA could have got him years ago & messed him about.
The way Michael O'Neil sets his teams is beyond what I've seen from any other manager. They were utterly perfect against Wales and only an innate lack of talent stopped a solid win. Their record is phenomenal.
With talented players I think O'Neil could make a real mark in management. I suspect some top European clubs are already considering him.
I suspect all of our (former) friends colleagues and partners are rejoicing at the result. A fucking clusterfuck of a fortnight in a horribly diminished nation
Nah. We told the fucking EU where to go. We did what no other European nation, I don't think, would dare to do, in an in-out referendum. We were bullied and menaced, and we still told them where to go.
However you look at it, that is quite a gritty attitude from a fairly indomitable nation.
It may turn out to be a disaster, sure: but you have to admire the gumption.
In other words, we are idiotic. Nothing to be proud of. We've been humiliated - we feel small right now, licking our wounds and contemplating our stupidity.
Speak for yourself! The EU is a corrupt, undemocratic mess - no one disputes that - a mess with aneamic growth, bad demographics, a refugee crisis, failing banks, and no real future unless it Federalises - no one disputes any of that, either. And we therefore made a calculated decision to leave.
It will hurt. Maybe it will hurt too much. Maybe the union will shatter. But there is a very very good argument for what we did, setting aside the fact we simply cannot sustain unlimited immigration which is what staying entails.
I'm known for my absurd bipolarity but really, the bizarre idea we have left Nirvana to go to hell is fecking idiotic. Leaving is risky, but staying was a very unpalatable alternative, too. So the people, in their inscrutable wisdom, have bravely taken that leap.
Grow up. Grow a backbone.
Indeed and if we come pleading to rejoin the EU they will only allow us back in if we join the Euro, Schengen and accept full integration, we would be humiliated on far worse terms than we have just left. We have made our bed and we must now lie in it, longer term I think it will be OK and hopefully we can negotiate some form of EFTA deal
The red lines that are emerging are being in the single market and restrictions on free movement. EEA/EFTA won't wash following a campaign based on immigration.
What if the easiest way to achieve that is a new deal within the EU?
Then we're screwed, since they won't want us now at any price. Will just have to work hard at the outside options.
I'm not giving up hope yet.
Merkel is clearly happy to bide her time and see if Britain will reconsider. It's quite likely that Juncker will be forced out which could pave the way for a new negotiation to take place.
I suspect all of our (former) friends colleagues and partners are rejoicing at the result. A fucking clusterfuck of a fortnight in a horribly diminished nation
Nah. We told the fucking EU where to go. We did what no other European nation, I don't think, would dare to do, in an in-out referendum. We were bullied and menaced, and we still told them where to go.
However you look at it, that is quite a gritty attitude from a fairly indomitable nation.
It may turn out to be a disaster, sure: but you have to admire the gumption.
In other words, we are idiotic. Nothing to be proud of. We've been humiliated - we feel small right now, licking our wounds and contemplating our stupidity.
Speak for yourself! The EU is a corrupt, undemocratic mess - no one disputes that - a mess with aneamic growth, bad demographics, a refugee crisis, failing banks, and no real future unless it Federalises - no one disputes any of that, either. And we therefore made a calculated decision to leave.
It will hurt. Maybe it will hurt too much. Maybe the union will shatter. But there is a very very good argument for what we did, setting aside the fact we simply cannot sustain unlimited immigration which is what staying entails.
I'm known for my absurd bipolarity but really, the bizarre idea we have left Nirvana to go to hell is fecking idiotic. Leaving is risky, but staying was a very unpalatable alternative, too. So the people, in their inscrutable wisdom, have bravely taken that leap.
Grow up. Grow a backbone.
Don't worry about immigration. Soon folk will be begging to leave. Why would they want to live in an inward looking, bigoted and economically broken country?
The sunlit uplands utopia is of course something we all yearn for but let's add a pinch of pragmatism please.
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I suspect all of our (former) friends colleagues and partners are rejoicing at the result. A fucking clusterfuck of a fortnight in a horribly diminished nation
Nah. We told the fucking EU where to go. We did what no other European nation, I don't think, would dare to do, in an in-out referendum. We were bullied and menaced, and we still told them where to go.
However you look at it, that is quite a gritty attitude from a fairly indomitable nation.
It may turn out to be a disaster, sure: but you have to admire the gumption.
In other words, we are idiotic. Nothing to be proud of. We've been humiliated - we feel small right now, licking our wounds and contemplating our stupidity.
Speak for yourself! The EU is a corrupt, undemocratic mess - no one disputes that - a mess with aneamic growth, bad demographics, a refugee crisis, failing banks, and no real future unless it Federalises - no one disputes any of that, either. And we therefore made a calculated decision to leave.
It will hurt. Maybe it will hurt too much. Maybe the union will shatter. But there is a very very good argument for what we did, setting aside the fact we simply cannot sustain unlimited immigration which is what staying entails.
I'm known for my absurd bipolarity but really, the bizarre idea we have left Nirvana to go to hell is fecking idiotic. Leaving is risky, but staying was a very unpalatable alternative, too. So the people, in their inscrutable wisdom, have bravely taken that leap.
Grow up. Grow a backbone.
Indeed and if we come pleading to rejoin the EU they will only allow us back in if we join the Euro, Schengen and accept full integration, we would be humiliated on far worse terms than we have just left. We have made our bed and we must now lie in it, longer term I think it will be OK and hopefully we can negotiate some form of EFTA deal
We haven't left anything yet. All that's happened so far is that a rocket has been put up the UK establishment.
I suspect all of our (former) friends colleagues and partners are rejoicing at the result. A fucking clusterfuck of a fortnight in a horribly diminished nation
Nah. We told the fucking EU where to go. We did what no other European nation, I don't think, would dare to do, in an in-out referendum. We were bullied and menaced, and we still told them where to go.
However you look at it, that is quite a gritty attitude from a fairly indomitable nation.
It may turn out to be a disaster, sure: but you have to admire the gumption.
In other words, we are idiotic. Nothing to be proud of. We've been humiliated - we feel small right now, licking our wounds and contemplating our stupidity.
Speak for yourself! The EU is a corrupt, undemocratic mess - no one disputes that - a mess with aneamic growth, bad demographics, a refugee crisis, failing banks, and no real future unless it Federalises - no one disputes any of that, either. And we therefore made a calculated decision to leave.
It will hurt. Maybe it will hurt too much. Maybe the union will shatter. But there is a very very good argument for what we did, setting aside the fact we simply cannot sustain unlimited immigration which is what staying entails.
I'm known for my absurd bipolarity but really, the bizarre idea we have left Nirvana to go to hell is fecking idiotic. Leaving is risky, but staying was a very unpalatable alternative, too. So the people, in their inscrutable wisdom, have bravely taken that leap.
Grow up. Grow a backbone.
Showing some form.
As someone who thought Jo Cox was a false flag operation your views are best ignored.
I don't share SeanT's admiration for our amazing pluck in doing something really stupid. But I do like our cheerful, wry, self-mocking spirit when we lose something - both Twitter and this thread have both been really funny tonight. I've been around a lot and other countries don't do it half as well.
Read your own post. You said the effing morons won and voted us out. You called 17 million voters effing morons. If that's not nasty what is? Or do you stand by it?
A sad fortnight to be English. First we get the fucking morons disgracing our country saying "fuck off Europe, we're voting out", then they win and vote us out, now we lose and are out.
Was that aimed at me?
Care to explain it?
Not 17 million. I was suggesting that people of that mentality swung the vote. Which is true.
If there is a referendum on the Brexit deal and the public says No then what happens?
Negotiate a different deal? On what terms?
We would still be leaving having triggered Article 50.
Makes no sense.
Hunt is saying we shouldn't trigger Article 50.
Another one.
No one wants to trigger Article 50.
I'll do it if they want. I'll even provide the stamp.
Apparently a speech will do it, so Cameron presumably has to somehow avoid saying the UK is leaving, or doing more than grunt non-committally if asked about it by an EU official.
If they ask if they can get the door for you on the way out, don't say yes David, it's a trick!
I suspect all of our (former) friends colleagues and partners are rejoicing at the result. A fucking clusterfuck of a fortnight in a horribly diminished nation
Nah. We told the fucking EU where to go. We did what no other European nation, I don't think, would dare to do, in an in-out referendum. We were bullied and menaced, and we still told them where to go.
However you look at it, that is quite a gritty attitude from a fairly indomitable nation.
It may turn out to be a disaster, sure: but you have to admire the gumption.
In other words, we are idiotic. Nothing to be proud of. We've been humiliated - we feel small right now, licking our wounds and contemplating our stupidity.
Speak for yourself! The EU is a corrupt, undemocratic mess - no one disputes that - a mess with aneamic growth, bad demographics, a refugee crisis, failing banks, and no real future unless it Federalises - no one disputes any of that, either. And we therefore made a calculated decision to leave.
It will hurt. Maybe it will hurt too much. Maybe the union will shatter. But there is a very very good argument for what we did, setting aside the fact we simply cannot sustain unlimited immigration which is what staying entails.
I'm known for my absurd bipolarity but really, the bizarre idea we have left Nirvana to go to hell is fecking idiotic. Leaving is risky, but staying was a very unpalatable alternative, too. So the people, in their inscrutable wisdom, have bravely taken that leap.
Grow up. Grow a backbone.
Don't worry about immigration. Soon folk will be begging to leave. Why would they want to live in an inward looking, bigoted and economically broken country?
The sunlit uplands utopia is of course something we all yearn for but let's add a pinch of pragmatism please.
I suspect all of our (former) friends colleagues and partners are rejoicing at the result. A fucking clusterfuck of a fortnight in a horribly diminished nation
Nah. We told the fucking EU where to go. We did what no other European nation, I don't think, would dare to do, in an in-out referendum. We were bullied and menaced, and we still told them where to go.
However you look at it, that is quite a gritty attitude from a fairly indomitable nation.
It may turn out to be a disaster, sure: but you have to admire the gumption.
In other words, we are idiotic. Nothing to be proud of. We've been humiliated - we feel small right now, licking our wounds and contemplating our stupidity.
Speak for yourself! The EU is a corrupt, undemocratic mess - no one disputes that - a mess with aneamic growth, bad demographics, a refugee crisis, failing banks, and no real future unless it Federalises - no one disputes any of that, either. And we therefore made a calculated decision to leave.
It will hurt. Maybe it will hurt too much. Maybe the union will shatter. But there is a very very good argument for what we did, setting aside the fact we simply cannot sustain unlimited immigration which is what staying entails.
I'm known for my absurd bipolarity but really, the bizarre idea we have left Nirvana to go to hell is fecking idiotic. Leaving is risky, but staying was a very unpalatable alternative, too. So the people, in their inscrutable wisdom, have bravely taken that leap.
Grow up. Grow a backbone.
Showing some form.
As someone who thought Jo Cox was a false flag operation your views are best ignored.
I'd be delighted if you did - it's only fair, I've ignored your views (under any alias) for pretty much as long as I've been reading them.
If there is a referendum on the Brexit deal and the public says No then what happens?
Negotiate a different deal? On what terms?
We would still be leaving having triggered Article 50.
Makes no sense.
Indeed. Nobody but nobody will dare risk another EU referendum.
This has to be done with a general election. The next Con leader needs to put his/her negotiating position to the electorate this autumn explaining exactly what kind of "relationship" we want after Brexit.
Once they've achieved that mandate they trigger article 50 and then get on with it.
Trouble arise's if the election result is "mixed" but it's a safer option that having another referendum.
Read your own post. You said the effing morons won and voted us out. You called 17 million voters effing morons. If that's not nasty what is? Or do you stand by it?
A sad fortnight to be English. First we get the fucking morons disgracing our country saying "fuck off Europe, we're voting out", then they win and vote us out, now we lose and are out.
Was that aimed at me?
Care to explain it?
Not 17 million. I was suggesting that people of that mentality swung the vote. Which is true.
If there is a referendum on the Brexit deal and the public says No then what happens?
Negotiate a different deal? On what terms?
We would still be leaving having triggered Article 50.
Makes no sense.
Hunt is saying we shouldn't trigger Article 50.
Another one.
No one wants to trigger Article 50.
I'll do it if they want. I'll even provide the stamp.
Apparently a speech will do it, so Cameron presumably has to somehow avoid saying the UK is leaving, or doing more than grunt non-committally if asked about it by an EU official.
If they ask if they can get the door for you on the way out, don't say yes David, it's a trick!
At a stretch a speech in a council meeting would do it. I don't think Cameron saying "we will leave the EU" is enough.
1) Working with a usually cheerful, but unusually downbeat Spanish nurse today. She is staying for the short term but no longer thinks she has a future in the NHS. She says the Facebook group of Spanish nurses are all saying the same, or have put plans to come to the UK off.
2) The daughter of a friend of mine (him Welsh, wife Polish, been in the Midlands 5 years after marrying in Poland) abused in the school playground for her accent. "Poles and Blacks go home!" This was in a twee village not inner city.
3) Spoke to an old friend, now senior in the FCO. He says it really is true. There is no frigging plan.
None of those three points surprise me. Point 2 is the most terrifying. And I have heard much similar. The racists think they have finally beaten the "metropolitan elite", and are justified.
On the positive side if you've freezer space they'll be loads of cheap Barbeque meat and pizzas in the Supermarkets this week. Always worth using the price correction after an England departure.
If Labour MPs cannot even feel safe under Corbyn - especially after Jo Cox's death - then that underlines even more what a tragedy his leadership of the Labour party is.
As many as 150 MPs will vote to oust Jeremy Corbyn on Tuesday, as the Labour leader threatened to recruit 100,000 hard-Left supporters to cling onto power.
1) Working with a usually cheerful, but unusually downbeat Spanish nurse today. She is staying for the short term but no longer thinks she has a future in the NHS. She says the Facebook group of Spanish nurses are all saying the same, or have put plans to come to the UK off.
2) The daughter of a friend of mine (him Welsh, wife Polish, been in the Midlands 5 years after marrying in Poland) abused in the school playground for her accent. "Poles and Blacks go home!" This was in a twee village not inner city.
3) Spoke to an old friend, now senior in the FCO. He says it really is true. There is no frigging plan.
i think the plan right now is not to trigger Article 50, until we have a plan. And the plan then might be, not to trigger Article 50.
You are Boris Johnson and I claim my cake. Then eat it.
The red lines that are emerging are being in the single market and restrictions on free movement. EEA/EFTA won't wash following a campaign based on immigration.
What if the easiest way to achieve that is a new deal within the EU?
Then we're screwed, since they won't want us now at any price. Will just have to work hard at the outside options.
I'm not giving up hope yet.
Merkel is clearly happy to bide her time and see if Britain will reconsider. It's quite likely that Juncker will be forced out which could pave the way for a new negotiation to take place.
Interesting point. So far no-one in the EU seems to think that Brexit is in any way their responsibility. Typical but telling.
The red lines that are emerging are being in the single market and restrictions on free movement. EEA/EFTA won't wash following a campaign based on immigration.
What if the easiest way to achieve that is a new deal within the EU?
Then we're screwed, since they won't want us now at any price. Will just have to work hard at the outside options.
Why the fuck did you vote Leave? You know full well that it's been the wrong outcome. Just admit it now.
If there is a referendum on the Brexit deal and the public says No then what happens?
Negotiate a different deal? On what terms?
We would still be leaving having triggered Article 50.
Makes no sense.
Indeed. Nobody but nobody will dare risk another EU referendum.
This has to be done with a general election. The next Con leader needs to put his/her negotiating position to the electorate explaining exactly what kind of "relationship" we want after Brexit.
Once they've achieved that mandate they trigger article 50 and then get on with it.
Trouble arise's if the election result is "mixed" but it's a safer option that having another referendum.
And since the only one's who will be standing on an implicit 'don't trigger article 50' platform will the LDs, as Labour dare not say otherwise, the Triggerers will win in some form, even if Tories do not.
1) Working with a usually cheerful, but unusually downbeat Spanish nurse today. She is staying for the short term but no longer thinks she has a future in the NHS. She says the Facebook group of Spanish nurses are all saying the same, or have put plans to come to the UK off.
2) The daughter of a friend of mine (him Welsh, wife Polish, been in the Midlands 5 years after marrying in Poland) abused in the school playground for her accent. "Poles and Blacks go home!" This was in a twee village not inner city.
3) Spoke to an old friend, now senior in the FCO. He says it really is true. There is no frigging plan.
i think the plan right now is not to trigger Article 50, until we have a plan. And the plan then might be, not to trigger Article 50.
The red lines that are emerging are being in the single market and restrictions on free movement. EEA/EFTA won't wash following a campaign based on immigration.
What if the easiest way to achieve that is a new deal within the EU?
Then we're screwed, since they won't want us now at any price. Will just have to work hard at the outside options.
Why the fuck did you vote Leave? You know full well that it's been the wrong outcome. Just admit it now.
The outcome is not clear yet, it's been less than a week. I'd be happy with a deal with us outside which rolls back on the immigration rhetoric, I don't care about immigration, so the kind of deal I would like is still viable, even if the type many people thought they were voting for was not.
So I cannot admit it now, because it's too soon to judge. If it is still chaos and incompetence in 6 months, yes, I'll have contributed to a terrible mistake and will have to bear that. But that outcome is not assured. Yet.
As for why I voted leave, I really hesitated for about 30 seconds in the polling booth, applying the Wollaston test, how would I feel about each outcome. As it is I misjudged, in part, my own level of shock (despite predicting the outcome), and at present it's too soon to know what the future holds - it was always a risk, the question was about the price of remaining as well vs that risk.
Donald Tusk ✔@donaldtusk UK-Iceland 1-2. Winter is coming
I think that tweet alone ( if it is from the account of Tusk) tells you all you need to know about the EU and how anyone that's even considers " resisting the project" will be treated.
I just can't stop laughing at that. Didn't he do the interview that made Blinky in TTOI look like Blair at his smoothest? Is this what Corbyn meant by some surprising names?
As many as 150 MPs will vote to oust Jeremy Corbyn on Tuesday, as the Labour leader threatened to recruit 100,000 hard-Left supporters to cling onto power.
I suspect all of our (former) friends colleagues and partners are rejoicing at the result. A fucking clusterfuck of a fortnight in a horribly diminished nation
Nah. We told the fucking EU where to go. We did what no other European nation, I don't think, would dare to do, in an in-out referendum. We were bullied and menaced, and we still told them where to go.
However you look at it, that is quite a gritty attitude from a fairly indomitable nation.
It may turn out to be a disaster, sure: but you have to admire the gumption.
In other words, we are idiotic. Nothing to be proud of. We've been humiliated - we feel small right now, licking our wounds and contemplating our stupidity.
Speak for yourself! The EU is a corrupt, undemocratic mess - no one disputes that - a mess with aneamic growth, bad demographics, a refugee crisis, failing banks, and no real future unless it Federalises - no one disputes any of that, either. And we therefore made a calculated decision to leave.
It will hurt. Maybe it will hurt too much. Maybe the union will shatter. But there is a very very good argument for what we did, setting aside the fact we simply cannot sustain unlimited immigration which is what staying entails.
I'm known for my absurd bipolarity but really, the bizarre idea we have left Nirvana to go to hell is fecking idiotic. Leaving is risky, but staying was a very unpalatable alternative, too. So the people, in their inscrutable wisdom, have bravely taken that leap.
Grow up. Grow a backbone.
Indeed and if we come pleading to rejoin the EU they will only allow us back in if we join the Euro, Schengen and accept full integration, we would be humiliated on far worse terms than we have just left. We have made our bed and we must now lie in it, longer term I think it will be OK and hopefully we can negotiate some form of EFTA deal
We haven't left anything yet. All that's happened so far is that a rocket has been put up the UK establishment.
And the EU establishment, let it be noted. No country has ever done this, let alone one as big as the UK. It is easy to forget what a shock Brexit is to Europe, just as it is to us.
Italian banks had to seek emergency funding today.
I suspect all of our (former) friends colleagues and partners are rejoicing at the result. A fucking clusterfuck of a fortnight in a horribly diminished nation
Nah. We told the fucking EU where to go. We did what no other European nation, I don't think, would dare to do, in an in-out referendum. We were bullied and menaced, and we still told them where to go.
However you look at it, that is quite a gritty attitude from a fairly indomitable nation.
It may turn out to be a disaster, sure: but you have to admire the gumption.
In other words, we are idiotic. Nothing to be proud of. We've been humiliated - we feel small right now, licking our wounds and contemplating our stupidity.
Speak for yourself! The EU is a corrupt, undemocratic mess - no one disputes that - a mess with aneamic growth, bad demographics, a refugee crisis, failing banks, and no real future unless it Federalises - no one disputes any of that, either. And we therefore made a calculated decision to leave.
It will hurt. Maybe it will hurt too much. Maybe the union will shatter. But there is a very very good argument for what we did, setting aside the fact we simply cannot sustain unlimited immigration which is what staying entails.
I'm known for my absurd bipolarity but really, the bizarre idea we have left Nirvana to go to hell is fecking idiotic. Leaving is risky, but staying was a very unpalatable alternative, too. So the people, in their inscrutable wisdom, have bravely taken that leap.
Grow up. Grow a backbone.
Indeed and if we come pleading to rejoin the EU they will only allow us back in if we join the Euro, Schengen and accept full integration, we would be humiliated on far worse terms than we have just left. We have made our bed and we must now lie in it, longer term I think it will be OK and hopefully we can negotiate some form of EFTA deal
We haven't left anything yet. All that's happened so far is that a rocket has been put up the UK establishment.
Well the government can hardly turn around now and say, OK EU we have just voted out but we cannot stand the pressure, we are clearly too weak a nation to stand on our own, so we will stay in and accept everything you now throw at us!
As many as 150 MPs will vote to oust Jeremy Corbyn on Tuesday, as the Labour leader threatened to recruit 100,000 hard-Left supporters to cling onto power.
I wouldn't believe any UK poll right now. They have been hilariously wrong on two massive occasions in the last year now. I would love May to be our next PM though - she's by far the best option out of an underwhelming bunch. Boris and Osborne shouldn't be anywhere near the Conservative leadership.
On the game, I called it regarding this England team months ago. Qualifiers and friendlies cannot be used as a measurement of this team - they simply don't have a tournament mentality in the way teams like Germany and Italy do. Even the Welsh have been mentally stronger this year than us FFS. Rooney and Kane were totally dire tonight, and Kane has been terrible throughout this entire tournament. Roy should have started Rashford.
As many as 150 MPs will vote to oust Jeremy Corbyn on Tuesday, as the Labour leader threatened to recruit 100,000 hard-Left supporters to cling onto power.
If 100,000 people join Labour, more power to them, that would be quite impressive. If the current members don't leave and form their own party, hard as that is to contemplate or make succeed, then they accept those members' views as allied to theirs.
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(referendum on a uk football team anyone?)
Another one.
No one wants to trigger Article 50.
1) Working with a usually cheerful, but unusually downbeat Spanish nurse today. She is staying for the short term but no longer thinks she has a future in the NHS. She says the Facebook group of Spanish nurses are all saying the same, or have put plans to come to the UK off.
2) The daughter of a friend of mine (him Welsh, wife Polish, been in the Midlands 5 years after marrying in Poland) abused in the school playground for her accent. "Poles and Blacks go home!" This was in a twee village not inner city.
3) Spoke to an old friend, now senior in the FCO. He says it really is true. There is no frigging plan.
Shellshocked
With talented players I think O'Neil could make a real mark in management. I suspect some top European clubs are already considering him.
Merkel is clearly happy to bide her time and see if Britain will reconsider. It's quite likely that Juncker will be forced out which could pave the way for a new negotiation to take place.
The sunlit uplands utopia is of course something we all yearn for but let's add a pinch of pragmatism please.
https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/65807
Petition to ban ITV from hosting any football matches in the future. Their coverage is absolutely appalling and is doing more to damage the image of football in this country than anything has done for the last 15 years.
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If they ask if they can get the door for you on the way out, don't say yes David, it's a trick!
This has to be done with a general election. The next Con leader needs to put his/her negotiating position to the electorate this autumn explaining exactly what kind of "relationship" we want after Brexit.
Once they've achieved that mandate they trigger article 50 and then get on with it.
Trouble arise's if the election result is "mixed" but it's a safer option that having another referendum.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/labour-coup-up-to-150-mps-to-vote-no-confidence-in-jeremy-corbyn/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
This will be a bloody awful World Cup for fans.
Things can only get better!
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So I cannot admit it now, because it's too soon to judge. If it is still chaos and incompetence in 6 months, yes, I'll have contributed to a terrible mistake and will have to bear that. But that outcome is not assured. Yet.
As for why I voted leave, I really hesitated for about 30 seconds in the polling booth, applying the Wollaston test, how would I feel about each outcome. As it is I misjudged, in part, my own level of shock (despite predicting the outcome), and at present it's too soon to know what the future holds - it was always a risk, the question was about the price of remaining as well vs that risk.
UK-Iceland 1-2. Winter is coming
I think that tweet alone ( if it is from the account of Tusk) tells you all you need to know about the EU and how anyone that's even considers " resisting the project" will be treated.
At least I can vote him out....
Oh wait
I has a big fat red next to Boris' name, so I share your sentiment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_rating_agencies_and_the_subprime_crisis
And they wonder why there is an anti establishment surge across Europe.
On the game, I called it regarding this England team months ago. Qualifiers and friendlies cannot be used as a measurement of this team - they simply don't have a tournament mentality in the way teams like Germany and Italy do. Even the Welsh have been mentally stronger this year than us FFS. Rooney and Kane were totally dire tonight, and Kane has been terrible throughout this entire tournament. Roy should have started Rashford.
ABB.