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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    GIN1138 said:

    TGOHF said:

    Used to be a big David Cameron fan but his lack of leadership since Thursday is a disgrace.

    You are still the PM - man up.

    The 1922 needs to tell Cameron to go now. A 3 month leadership contest is a non starter in the circumstances. We need a proper leader to navigate this crisis not a weeping, broken man.
    An interim leader is seriously required. Grayling ?
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    GIN1138 said:

    TGOHF said:

    Used to be a big David Cameron fan but his lack of leadership since Thursday is a disgrace.

    You are still the PM - man up.

    The 1922 needs to tell Cameron to go now. A 3 month leadership contest is a non starter in the circumstances. We need a proper leader to navigate this crisis not a weeping, broken man.
    Do you seriously think Cameron is staying on temporarily because he wants to?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,023

    Scott_P said:

    Now here's an idea

    @thomasknox: So there must be new GE? Tories offering EEA, Labour (new leader) - stay in EU but try to renegotiate Free Movement. And we choose.

    And that's from a 100% Leaver
    UKIP offering completely 'out'. Lib Dems won't invoke art 50.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    TGOHF said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TGOHF said:

    Used to be a big David Cameron fan but his lack of leadership since Thursday is a disgrace.

    You are still the PM - man up.

    The 1922 needs to tell Cameron to go now. A 3 month leadership contest is a non starter in the circumstances. We need a proper leader to navigate this crisis not a weeping, broken man.
    An interim leader is seriously required. Grayling ?
    Chokes
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DPJHodges: Outers trying to maintain fiction there will be no serious economic impact from Brexit is new "there are no Americans at the airport".
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,157

    One friend who has recently retired from a senior position with a Japanese bank, and who is definitely not someone prone to exaggeration, said he thought it was the end of London as the leading financial centre in the timezone.

    Did he say what city would be taking over?
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,046
    Scott_P said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    After all the turmoil of the next few months - Article 50/multiple leadership elections/negotiations starting with EU - and winter coming... I can't see it being good for the country to throw in a GE as well.

    HA HA

    HA HA HA HA HA

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

    "Brexit was all about democracy, take back control!"

    We were warned there would be chaos. There is now chaos. There will be different visions of how to resolve the chaos. Should we ask voters?

    "I can't see it being good for the country "

    Once again, a fellow Brexiteer provides the apposite phrase.

    Fuck off. Please. Just fuck off.
    Stick to your gloating Scott. It is the only thing you are good at.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,174

    GIN1138 said:

    TGOHF said:

    Used to be a big David Cameron fan but his lack of leadership since Thursday is a disgrace.

    You are still the PM - man up.

    The 1922 needs to tell Cameron to go now. A 3 month leadership contest is a non starter in the circumstances. We need a proper leader to navigate this crisis not a weeping, broken man.
    You do realise Tory leadership elections take 3 months from start to finish?

    Exactly who would stand in the interregnum between Dave quitting and a new leader being elected?
    Gove
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,931
    Scott_P said:

    GIN1138 said:

    We need a proper leader to navigate this crisis

    But we're about to get a clown
    I'm not convinced. Boris is favourite in the 3 month election process but if the 1922 does a quick switch (like when the swapped IDS for Howard) we could have someone stoical like Theresa May in Downing Street by Wednesday.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,528
    Watson plunges the knife
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:

    timmo said:

    The interesting bit about a GE is whether those that botd either for the first time or after not having voted for many years in the referendum will come and vote again in a GE. If they do anything could happen

    And they'll still be registered to vote for a while yet.
    Now we in UKIP know where they are, we will get them out ;)
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/ukip-sets-its-sights-on-the-north-of-england-2v8xv85b9
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,174
    Scott_P said:

    GIN1138 said:

    We need a proper leader to navigate this crisis

    But we're about to get a clown

    I've said before, Osborne stands no chance.
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    DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 2m2 minutes ago
    Deputy Labour leader Tom Watson tells Jeremy Corbyn to resign
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    murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,045
    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Outers trying to maintain fiction there will be no serious economic impact from Brexit is new "there are no Americans at the airport".

    Like! :)
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,931
    DanSmith said:

    BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 2m2 minutes ago
    Deputy Labour leader Tom Watson tells Jeremy Corbyn to resign

    Stick to your guns Jezza!
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited June 2016
    GIN1138 said:

    TGOHF said:

    Used to be a big David Cameron fan but his lack of leadership since Thursday is a disgrace.

    You are still the PM - man up.

    The 1922 needs to tell Cameron to go now. A 3 month leadership contest is a non starter in the circumstances. We need a proper leader to navigate this crisis not a weeping, broken man.
    We were repeatedly promised that in the event of a Leave victory that Cameron would on the morning of his defeat trigger Clause 50 and then resign with immediate effect. But we've been disappointed.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,737
    Wanderer said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TGOHF said:

    Used to be a big David Cameron fan but his lack of leadership since Thursday is a disgrace.

    You are still the PM - man up.

    The 1922 needs to tell Cameron to go now. A 3 month leadership contest is a non starter in the circumstances. We need a proper leader to navigate this crisis not a weeping, broken man.
    Do you seriously think Cameron is staying on temporarily because he wants to?
    One way out is for Tory MPs to throw away leadership contest in the national interest and to choose the new leader/PM themselves.
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    RealBritainRealBritain Posts: 255
    Watson to replace him, I think.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,669

    GIN1138 said:

    TGOHF said:

    Used to be a big David Cameron fan but his lack of leadership since Thursday is a disgrace.

    You are still the PM - man up.

    The 1922 needs to tell Cameron to go now. A 3 month leadership contest is a non starter in the circumstances. We need a proper leader to navigate this crisis not a weeping, broken man.
    You do realise Tory leadership elections take 3 months from start to finish?

    Exactly who would stand in the interregnum between Dave quitting and a new leader being elected?
    Gove
    You really want to see the Tory Party destroyed?
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    JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,018

    GIN1138 said:

    TGOHF said:

    Used to be a big David Cameron fan but his lack of leadership since Thursday is a disgrace.

    You are still the PM - man up.

    The 1922 needs to tell Cameron to go now. A 3 month leadership contest is a non starter in the circumstances. We need a proper leader to navigate this crisis not a weeping, broken man.
    You do realise Tory leadership elections take 3 months from start to finish?

    Exactly who would stand in the interregnum between Dave quitting and a new leader being elected?
    Isn't there a deputy leader? What would happen if Dave was hit by a bus?
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    People complaining about Cameron's passivity: he has no authority to do anything. No other interim leader would either. If you want someone to get a grip then you need a Tory coronation of a new permanent leader asap.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,064
    Personally I thought we could handle Brexit even if I wasn't in favour of it. After an initial hit on Friday, the markets appeared to agree. However a complete vacuum of leadership and any proposals for where we're going is only going to make things worse.

    A conspiracist might think that was the plan. Let things stew for a while do nothing and wait for the markets to panic. then once the markets do panic, so will the public and ask for the referendum decision to be reversed.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,023
    edited June 2016
    I'm

    Backing Nandy and McDonnell

    Staying neutral on Watson

    Laying the moderates & banana man.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,669

    GIN1138 said:

    TGOHF said:

    Used to be a big David Cameron fan but his lack of leadership since Thursday is a disgrace.

    You are still the PM - man up.

    The 1922 needs to tell Cameron to go now. A 3 month leadership contest is a non starter in the circumstances. We need a proper leader to navigate this crisis not a weeping, broken man.
    You do realise Tory leadership elections take 3 months from start to finish?

    Exactly who would stand in the interregnum between Dave quitting and a new leader being elected?
    Isn't there a deputy leader? What would happen if Dave was hit by a bus?
    No Deputy Leader. We have Osborne as First Secretary of State, which kinda counts.
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Dadge said:

    If someone finally signs off on Brexit, I like the idea of this strategy: http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexitvote/2016/06/27/de-toxifying-the-uks-eu-exit-process-a-multi-national-compromise-is-possible/ It makes more sense to have the hard border at Berwick than at Killeen.

    Andrea Leadsom tweeted:

    "Vital that all nations of UK take part in negotiations for #Brexit - we can shape a new and positive future for UK in the world"

    I assume that would mean some sort of involvement for the devolved assemblies? But it could also be satisfied by the involvement of MPs from each nation.
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    DanSmith said:

    Scott_P said:

    Now here's an idea

    @thomasknox: So there must be new GE? Tories offering EEA, Labour (new leader) - stay in EU but try to renegotiate Free Movement. And we choose.

    Labour would be destroyed on that platform wouldn't they?
    Not necessarily. Don't underestimate the power of First Past the Post........
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    DanSmith said:

    BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 2m2 minutes ago
    Deputy Labour leader Tom Watson tells Jeremy Corbyn to resign

    Sack Watson. Problem solved.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,737
    Wanderer said:

    People complaining about Cameron's passivity: he has no authority to do anything. No other interim leader would either. If you want someone to get a grip then you need a Tory coronation of a new permanent leader asap.

    Yes.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,561

    Jobabob said:

    The PLP should now take its chance and lead as Progressive Labour from parliament. Let's see how the nutters on the far left like the apples of never being seen at PMQs and a decent interesting centrist representing the new party. You can have your three quidders. Parliament only recognises the leader in the commons.

    What happened to the SDP, or more recently to Ukip defectors? How many held their seats at the next election?
    Exactly. Plus if leavers depart Labour to the right, they will probably find it harder to retain the Leave wwc vote than a "true Labour" opponent to their left.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,064

    Wanderer said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TGOHF said:

    Used to be a big David Cameron fan but his lack of leadership since Thursday is a disgrace.

    You are still the PM - man up.

    The 1922 needs to tell Cameron to go now. A 3 month leadership contest is a non starter in the circumstances. We need a proper leader to navigate this crisis not a weeping, broken man.
    Do you seriously think Cameron is staying on temporarily because he wants to?
    One way out is for Tory MPs to throw away leadership contest in the national interest and to choose the new leader/PM themselves.
    There's no reason the party leader has to be PM. Whoever can command a majority in the House of Commons.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,023
    Theresa May has a very big decision to make. If she rules herself out then the crown can be plonked on Boris' head immediately.
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,330

    GIN1138 said:

    TGOHF said:

    Used to be a big David Cameron fan but his lack of leadership since Thursday is a disgrace.

    You are still the PM - man up.

    The 1922 needs to tell Cameron to go now. A 3 month leadership contest is a non starter in the circumstances. We need a proper leader to navigate this crisis not a weeping, broken man.
    We were repeatedly promised that in the event of a Leave victory that Cameron would on the morning of his defeat trigger Clause 50 and then resign with immediate effect. But we've been disappointed.
    Can you provide any evidence for that? I'm not being sarcastic, but I think we established that it was one of those weird things that everyone thought they'd heard but never actually happened (Brexit causing World War III being another example).
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913

    DanSmith said:

    BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 2m2 minutes ago
    Deputy Labour leader Tom Watson tells Jeremy Corbyn to resign

    Sack Watson. Problem solved.
    He can't.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,019
    Mr. Smith, quite agree.

    Claiming the 'deal' was worth anything, and then flying the global war kite meant all subsequent claims were seen through the prism of hyperbole.

    A General Election may well occur. Could be springtime for UKIP and the Lib Dems, winter for Conservatives and Labour.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,911
    Chilcot next week.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    DanSmith said:

    BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 2m2 minutes ago
    Deputy Labour leader Tom Watson tells Jeremy Corbyn to resign

    Sack Watson. Problem solved.
    Watson was elected by the membership.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @AP: BREAKING: Merkel's spokesman rejects "informal" exit talks before Britain files formal notice of leaving the EU.

    No shit
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited June 2016
    Barnesian said:

    So a Leadsom vs Boris leadership contest on the issue of Free Movement ? FTA vs Single Market ? Interesting times.

    MPs will ensure she isn't in the final two.
    I hope you're wrong about that. Will the MPs end of it begin this week?
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Observation at work as trading in RBS and Barclays shares are suspended

    In hindsight Dave and George didn't go hard enough on the economic consequences of a Leave vote.

    I doubt it would have made a difference. Those who have taken notice are those who voted remain anyway.
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    JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,018

    GIN1138 said:

    TGOHF said:

    Used to be a big David Cameron fan but his lack of leadership since Thursday is a disgrace.

    You are still the PM - man up.

    The 1922 needs to tell Cameron to go now. A 3 month leadership contest is a non starter in the circumstances. We need a proper leader to navigate this crisis not a weeping, broken man.
    You do realise Tory leadership elections take 3 months from start to finish?

    Exactly who would stand in the interregnum between Dave quitting and a new leader being elected?
    Isn't there a deputy leader? What would happen if Dave was hit by a bus?
    No Deputy Leader. We have Osborne as First Secretary of State, which kinda counts.
    That would be problematic. Or does the Queen have to go back to taking "soundings"?

    ... and we've learned today that along with everything else, the Government has no succession plan. Epic fail.
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    DanSmith said:

    BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 2m2 minutes ago
    Deputy Labour leader Tom Watson tells Jeremy Corbyn to resign

    Sack Watson. Problem solved.
    There's no mechanism under Labour Party rules for him to do so.

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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,465

    G' live: _ "The celebrity chef Jamie Oliver has said his faith in the British people will be “broken forever” if Boris Johnson becomes prime minister."

    Bojo has it in the bag :lol:

    *sits quietly hoping Eddie Izzard will STFU*
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    Watson to replace him, I think.

    Maybe. Watson orchestrated Blair’s departure, then handed the leadership to Gordon Brown – this time however, there is no obvious candidate to replace Corbyn.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    Chilcot next week.

    Do you really think anyone cares about that now?
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    glwglw Posts: 9,556

    Personally I thought we could handle Brexit even if I wasn't in favour of it. After an initial hit on Friday, the markets appeared to agree. However a complete vacuum of leadership and any proposals for where we're going is only going to make things worse.

    A conspiracist might think that was the plan. Let things stew for a while do nothing and wait for the markets to panic. then once the markets do panic, so will the public and ask for the referendum decision to be reversed.

    We should simply get on with leaving the EU. Several months of arguing about fudges won't help.
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    DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215

    DanSmith said:

    BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 2m2 minutes ago
    Deputy Labour leader Tom Watson tells Jeremy Corbyn to resign

    Sack Watson. Problem solved.
    He's unsackable.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,669
    AP are reporting

    Merkel's spokesman rejects "informal" exit talks before Britain files formal notice of leaving the EU.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,737
    IanB2 said:

    Jobabob said:

    The PLP should now take its chance and lead as Progressive Labour from parliament. Let's see how the nutters on the far left like the apples of never being seen at PMQs and a decent interesting centrist representing the new party. You can have your three quidders. Parliament only recognises the leader in the commons.

    What happened to the SDP, or more recently to Ukip defectors? How many held their seats at the next election?
    Exactly. Plus if leavers depart Labour to the right, they will probably find it harder to retain the Leave wwc vote than a "true Labour" opponent to their left.
    If enough defected it would work, it depends on the scale.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,465
    DanSmith said:

    Scott_P said:

    Now here's an idea

    @thomasknox: So there must be new GE? Tories offering EEA, Labour (new leader) - stay in EU but try to renegotiate Free Movement. And we choose.

    Labour would be destroyed on that platform wouldn't they?
    As would the Cons.
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    Personally I thought we could handle Brexit even if I wasn't in favour of it. After an initial hit on Friday, the markets appeared to agree. However a complete vacuum of leadership and any proposals for where we're going is only going to make things worse.

    A conspiracist might think that was the plan. Let things stew for a while do nothing and wait for the markets to panic. then once the markets do panic, so will the public and ask for the referendum decision to be reversed.

    How long can it be before we get a poll showing 60% in favour of remaining in the EU?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,931
    Wanderer said:

    People complaining about Cameron's passivity: he has no authority to do anything. No other interim leader would either. If you want someone to get a grip then you need a Tory coronation of a new permanent leader asap.

    That's what I'm saying. They need to "coronate" someone like Theresa May today. We can worry about having a protracted leadership contest when things are back under control.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    AP are reporting

    Merkel's spokesman rejects "informal" exit talks before Britain files formal notice of leaving the EU.

    3 months for Britain to get its act together, then we go to them.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    Jobabob said:

    Personally I thought we could handle Brexit even if I wasn't in favour of it. After an initial hit on Friday, the markets appeared to agree. However a complete vacuum of leadership and any proposals for where we're going is only going to make things worse.

    A conspiracist might think that was the plan. Let things stew for a while do nothing and wait for the markets to panic. then once the markets do panic, so will the public and ask for the referendum decision to be reversed.

    How long can it be before we get a poll showing 60% in favour of remaining in the EU?
    Had one of those....on polling day...
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,561
    Wanderer said:

    Chilcot next week.

    Do you really think anyone cares about that now?
    This whole thing is a cunning plan to bury Chilcot?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,931
    Wanderer said:

    Chilcot next week.

    Do you really think anyone cares about that now?
    The people whose sons and daughters died in Iraq might be interested?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,561
    GIN1138 said:

    Wanderer said:

    People complaining about Cameron's passivity: he has no authority to do anything. No other interim leader would either. If you want someone to get a grip then you need a Tory coronation of a new permanent leader asap.

    That's what I'm saying. They need to "coronate" someone like Theresa May today. We can worry about having a protracted leadership contest when things are back under control.
    Does anyone know whether an interim leader would count as "next leader" for betting purposes, voiding all bets placed on the genuine runners?
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    GIN1138 said:

    Wanderer said:

    People complaining about Cameron's passivity: he has no authority to do anything. No other interim leader would either. If you want someone to get a grip then you need a Tory coronation of a new permanent leader asap.

    That's what I'm saying. They need to "coronate" someone like Theresa May today. We can worry about having a protracted leadership contest when things are back under control.
    The coronation needs to be of the new permanent leader with no subsequent contest. We need a non-lameduck, non-caretaker Prime Minister right now.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Scott_P said:

    GIN1138 said:

    We need a proper leader to navigate this crisis

    But we're about to get a clown
    Well the clown won two elections for the London Mayor and the most earth shattering political event in recent history.

    Reports say that when he puts his mind to it he is very intelligent and a hard worker - but he has to try and present a more serious frontage to the media for him, and thereby the UK, to be taken seriously.
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    DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    TOPPING said:

    DanSmith said:

    Scott_P said:

    Now here's an idea

    @thomasknox: So there must be new GE? Tories offering EEA, Labour (new leader) - stay in EU but try to renegotiate Free Movement. And we choose.

    Labour would be destroyed on that platform wouldn't they?
    As would the Cons.
    No, middle England and London will want EEA more than anything, they will want the best option for the economy.

    If Labour become a protest party for the WWC they sweep the board in certain areas, but they would be a rump party nationally in that situation.

    We live in interesting times.
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    FishingFishing Posts: 4,562

    @Jack_Blanchard_: Source: Tom Watson has met with Jeremy Corbyn and made it clear to him that he no longer commands the confidence of Labour MPs.

    I don't think he ever had the confidence of Labour MPs, did he?
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    GIN1138 said:

    Wanderer said:

    Chilcot next week.

    Do you really think anyone cares about that now?
    The people whose sons and daughters died in Iraq might be interested?
    Yes. Anyone else?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Project fear reality

    @KathViner: Pound and shares hit again by Brexit crisis as gilt yields tumble – business live https://t.co/kil7bH0tcg
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,157
    GIN1138 said:

    Wanderer said:

    People complaining about Cameron's passivity: he has no authority to do anything. No other interim leader would either. If you want someone to get a grip then you need a Tory coronation of a new permanent leader asap.

    That's what I'm saying. They need to "coronate" someone like Theresa May today. We can worry about having a protracted leadership contest when things are back under control.
    It's the same problem though. Nothing's going to be under control until Britain works out WTF it wants to do. To do that they need the person who's going to lead the negotiations, not a caretaker.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,561
    edited June 2016

    GIN1138 said:

    TGOHF said:

    Used to be a big David Cameron fan but his lack of leadership since Thursday is a disgrace.

    You are still the PM - man up.

    The 1922 needs to tell Cameron to go now. A 3 month leadership contest is a non starter in the circumstances. We need a proper leader to navigate this crisis not a weeping, broken man.
    We were repeatedly promised that in the event of a Leave victory that Cameron would on the morning of his defeat trigger Clause 50 and then resign with immediate effect. But we've been disappointed.
    Can you provide any evidence for that? I'm not being sarcastic, but I think we established that it was one of those weird things that everyone thought they'd heard but never actually happened (Brexit causing World War III being another example).
    http://openeurope.org.uk/daily-shakeup/cameron-government-would-promptly-trigger-article-50-in-the-event-of-a-leave-vote/

    The url nicely saves you having to read the article!
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    IanB2 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Wanderer said:

    People complaining about Cameron's passivity: he has no authority to do anything. No other interim leader would either. If you want someone to get a grip then you need a Tory coronation of a new permanent leader asap.

    That's what I'm saying. They need to "coronate" someone like Theresa May today. We can worry about having a protracted leadership contest when things are back under control.
    Does anyone know whether an interim leader would count as "next leader" for betting purposes, voiding all bets placed on the genuine runners?
    In general, bookies do not settle on caretaker leaders (or football managers).
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    DanSmith said:

    TOPPING said:

    DanSmith said:

    Scott_P said:

    Now here's an idea

    @thomasknox: So there must be new GE? Tories offering EEA, Labour (new leader) - stay in EU but try to renegotiate Free Movement. And we choose.

    Labour would be destroyed on that platform wouldn't they?
    As would the Cons.
    No, middle England and London will want EEA more than anything, they will want the best option for the economy.
    That might not be the best option for the economy.

    http://www.iea.org.uk/publications/research/the-iea-brexit-prize-a-blueprint-for-britain-openness-not-isolation
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    test
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    DanSmith said:

    TOPPING said:

    DanSmith said:

    Scott_P said:

    Now here's an idea

    @thomasknox: So there must be new GE? Tories offering EEA, Labour (new leader) - stay in EU but try to renegotiate Free Movement. And we choose.

    Labour would be destroyed on that platform wouldn't they?
    As would the Cons.
    No, middle England and London will want EEA more than anything, they will want the best option for the economy.

    If Labour become a protest party for the WWC they sweep the board in certain areas, but they would be a rump party nationally in that situation.

    We live in interesting times.
    Eh? Labour would still win plenty of seats. In fact I think it would make for a hard fought contest.
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    IcarusIcarus Posts: 914
    Wanderer said:

    Jobabob said:

    Question: Is is possible/allowed to be a member of both the Labour and Tory parties?

    How would either party know you were a member of the other if you didn't announce it?
    Presumable you would join so that you could resign!
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Can we have a sweepstake on the first PB Brexiteer to front up and say "Yes, I was wrong, this is a total clusterfuck and I was a plonker to believe Boris" ?

    SeanT is not eligible in this market
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,023
    Scott_P said:

    Project fear reality

    @KathViner: Pound and shares hit again by Brexit crisis as gilt yields tumble – business live https://t.co/kil7bH0tcg

    I don't get why yields are falling can someone explain ? I'd have thought they'd be going up...
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    MikeK said:

    test

    123

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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    Jobabob said:

    Personally I thought we could handle Brexit even if I wasn't in favour of it. After an initial hit on Friday, the markets appeared to agree. However a complete vacuum of leadership and any proposals for where we're going is only going to make things worse.

    A conspiracist might think that was the plan. Let things stew for a while do nothing and wait for the markets to panic. then once the markets do panic, so will the public and ask for the referendum decision to be reversed.

    How long can it be before we get a poll showing 60% in favour of remaining in the EU?
    Had one of those....on polling day...
    No we didn't.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Scott_P said:

    Project fear reality

    @KathViner: Pound and shares hit again by Brexit crisis as gilt yields tumble – business live https://t.co/kil7bH0tcg

    Oh god, not a one-week low for the FTSE!!!!!!!!
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    LennonLennon Posts: 1,736
    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Project fear reality

    @KathViner: Pound and shares hit again by Brexit crisis as gilt yields tumble – business live https://t.co/kil7bH0tcg

    I don't get why yields are falling can someone explain ? I'd have thought they'd be going up...
    Expectation of Recession / Flight to 'Safety' (ie SELL Equities, BUY Gilts)
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    murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,045
    Scott_P said:

    Can we have a sweepstake on the first PB Brexiteer to front up and say "Yes, I was wrong, this is a total clusterfuck and I was a plonker to believe Boris" ?

    SeanT is not eligible in this market

    Boo! SeanT is the only of the Brexiteers that now speaks sense.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Wanderer said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Wanderer said:

    Chilcot next week.

    Do you really think anyone cares about that now?
    The people whose sons and daughters died in Iraq might be interested?
    Yes. Anyone else?
    A great many Corbyn supporters... and LDs...and mislead Tories.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    IanB2 said:

    $1.33 broken, expect $1.32 within the hour

    Those $50 Barrels of Brent Crude keep getting more and more expensive in pound terms
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,023
    Glaxo almost at 1500p :D
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    murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,045

    Scott_P said:

    Project fear reality

    @KathViner: Pound and shares hit again by Brexit crisis as gilt yields tumble – business live https://t.co/kil7bH0tcg

    Oh god, not a one-week low for the FTSE!!!!!!!!
    You shouldn't trivialise this bruv!

    Factor in the currency devaluation and the FTSE is in significant negative territory.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,561
    edited June 2016

    DanSmith said:

    TOPPING said:

    DanSmith said:

    Scott_P said:

    Now here's an idea

    @thomasknox: So there must be new GE? Tories offering EEA, Labour (new leader) - stay in EU but try to renegotiate Free Movement. And we choose.

    Labour would be destroyed on that platform wouldn't they?
    As would the Cons.
    No, middle England and London will want EEA more than anything, they will want the best option for the economy.

    If Labour become a protest party for the WWC they sweep the board in certain areas, but they would be a rump party nationally in that situation.

    We live in interesting times.
    Eh? Labour would still win plenty of seats. In fact I think it would make for a hard fought contest.
    Do you think so?

    Right now Tories would lose some votes - but few seats - to UKIP. I would expect them to keep most of the Tory Leave vote. They'll lose some Remain Tory votes to the LibDems, and probably a few seats, if the LibDems are organisationally able to take advantage.

    Labour will either lose some or lots of votes to UKIP, take your pick. If the latter, a block of UKIP MPs emerges. If the former, the Tories win a batch of Lab-Con marginals.

    Indeed some of the famous 2010 LibDems may return from Labour as well, if Labour is pushed to be "more leave" and less liberal for its wwc. If they instead go "more remain", go back to 'losing votes to UKIP' above.

    SNP have nothing more to gain, Greens, zip.

    Tory majority on a lower share of the vote?

    Of course things change if a recession really takes bite, and/or it is widely seen that the Leavers have been betrayed. These plus the state of Labour all reasons for Boris to go GE asap
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Scott_P said:

    Project fear reality

    @KathViner: Pound and shares hit again by Brexit crisis as gilt yields tumble – business live https://t.co/kil7bH0tcg

    Oh god, not a one-week low for the FTSE!!!!!!!!
    I'm waiting for more absurd Y axis tweets.
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,009

    Chilcot next week.

    Rumour has it that the Brexit team have appointed Chilcott to advise on arrangements for triggering Article 50.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,023
    1.20 GBP EUR
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    murali_s said:

    Scott_P said:

    Project fear reality

    @KathViner: Pound and shares hit again by Brexit crisis as gilt yields tumble – business live https://t.co/kil7bH0tcg

    Oh god, not a one-week low for the FTSE!!!!!!!!
    You shouldn't trivialise this bruv!

    Factor in the currency devaluation and the FTSE is in significant negative territory.
    Markets have taken a hit, sure. But it is a realignment more than than a catastrophe.
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    DeafblokeDeafbloke Posts: 69

    GIN1138 said:

    TGOHF said:

    Used to be a big David Cameron fan but his lack of leadership since Thursday is a disgrace.

    You are still the PM - man up.

    The 1922 needs to tell Cameron to go now. A 3 month leadership contest is a non starter in the circumstances. We need a proper leader to navigate this crisis not a weeping, broken man.
    You do realise Tory leadership elections take 3 months from start to finish?

    Exactly who would stand in the interregnum between Dave quitting and a new leader being elected?
    We need someone who isn't in the race to be tory leader: impeccable brexit credentials, and exudes calmness and competence.....



    Gisela Stuart.

    Failing that, the most important person in the country right now, imho, is Graham Brady. The 1922 has to find a way to truncate the 3 month process and announce it.

    We are in a lack of Government problem right now, not a brexit problem. All thanks to Cameron's gross dereliction of duty: he should have announced a resignation in 6-9 months time, to give time to get the negotiating machinery in place and under way before a leadership election began.
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    AP are reporting

    Merkel's spokesman rejects "informal" exit talks before Britain files formal notice of leaving the EU.

    Yep .... Merkel ..... one of the UK's friends to whom I was referring upthread and thankfully a very important one.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JadeFrancesAzim: SHOCK as Brexiters realise:
    1) abstractions are easier said than done
    2) spending mths saying 'we want our country back' leads to racism
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,931
    Scott_P said:

    Can we have a sweepstake on the first PB Brexiteer to front up and say "Yes, I was wrong, this is a total clusterfuck and I was a plonker to believe Boris" ?

    SeanT is not eligible in this market

    I must admit I'm not sure things are quite going to plan...
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,669

    NEW THREAD NEW THREAD

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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Deafbloke said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TGOHF said:

    Used to be a big David Cameron fan but his lack of leadership since Thursday is a disgrace.

    You are still the PM - man up.

    The 1922 needs to tell Cameron to go now. A 3 month leadership contest is a non starter in the circumstances. We need a proper leader to navigate this crisis not a weeping, broken man.
    You do realise Tory leadership elections take 3 months from start to finish?

    Exactly who would stand in the interregnum between Dave quitting and a new leader being elected?
    We need someone who isn't in the race to be tory leader: impeccable brexit credentials, and exudes calmness and competence.....



    Gisela Stuart.

    Failing that, the most important person in the country right now, imho, is Graham Brady. The 1922 has to find a way to truncate the 3 month process and announce it.

    We are in a lack of Government problem right now, not a brexit problem. All thanks to Cameron's gross dereliction of duty: he should have announced a resignation in 6-9 months time, to give time to get the negotiating machinery in place and under way before a leadership election began.
    The 2005 election was little more than 2 months.

    And the members' vote could be truncated a couple of weeks now it's 2016.
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    rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    Wanderer said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Wanderer said:

    People complaining about Cameron's passivity: he has no authority to do anything. No other interim leader would either. If you want someone to get a grip then you need a Tory coronation of a new permanent leader asap.

    That's what I'm saying. They need to "coronate" someone like Theresa May today. We can worry about having a protracted leadership contest when things are back under control.
    The coronation needs to be of the new permanent leader with no subsequent contest. We need a non-lameduck, non-caretaker Prime Minister right now.
    Margaret Beckett was Acting Labour Leader for a while (I thought she was better than the 'real' leaders who followed).

    The Acting Leader can stand for the permanent post 3 months (or even 15 months later). If May can cope with the Home Office and the Police Federation, presumably she'd be able to deal with this challenge.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Deafbloke said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TGOHF said:

    Used to be a big David Cameron fan but his lack of leadership since Thursday is a disgrace.

    You are still the PM - man up.

    The 1922 needs to tell Cameron to go now. A 3 month leadership contest is a non starter in the circumstances. We need a proper leader to navigate this crisis not a weeping, broken man.
    You do realise Tory leadership elections take 3 months from start to finish?

    Exactly who would stand in the interregnum between Dave quitting and a new leader being elected?
    We need someone who isn't in the race to be tory leader: impeccable brexit credentials, and exudes calmness and competence.....



    Gisela Stuart.

    Failing that, the most important person in the country right now, imho, is Graham Brady. The 1922 has to find a way to truncate the 3 month process and announce it.

    We are in a lack of Government problem right now, not a brexit problem. All thanks to Cameron's gross dereliction of duty: he should have announced a resignation in 6-9 months time, to give time to get the negotiating machinery in place and under way before a leadership election began.
    I'd have thought we could squash the timescale down to a max of a month if minds were set to it. And that allows members a final vote too.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    weejonnie said:

    Well the clown won two elections for the London Mayor and the most earth shattering political event in recent history.

    Reports say that when he puts his mind to it he is very intelligent and a hard worker - but he has to try and present a more serious frontage to the media for him, and thereby the UK, to be taken seriously.

    If he does become leader, I suspect some will point out that he has been sacked twice already for allegedly making stuff up.

    Yup, just the guy we need right now
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,023
    Scott_P said:

    weejonnie said:

    Well the clown won two elections for the London Mayor and the most earth shattering political event in recent history.

    Reports say that when he puts his mind to it he is very intelligent and a hard worker - but he has to try and present a more serious frontage to the media for him, and thereby the UK, to be taken seriously.

    If he does become leader, I suspect some will point out that he has been sacked twice already for allegedly making stuff up.

    Yup, just the guy we need right now
    Boris needs to realise the full consequences of his actions - he should be made PM whether he likes it or not.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited June 2016
    Scott_P said:

    @JadeFrancesAzim: SHOCK as Brexiters realise:
    1) abstractions are easier said than done
    2) spending mths saying 'we want our country back' leads to racism

    #2 - Another false narrative being pushed I see.

    Every week unfortunately there are racist incidents. There are knuckle draggers that wear offensive t-shirts. Two weeks ago it was an idiot about Liverpool fans that was big on twitter. Britain First go around every week pushing there hate, as does Choudary.

    I spent the weekend in an area an area that has one of the highest concentrations of Poles in the UK and voted heavily to leave. No problems. No reports of Poles being chased out of town etc etc etc. Just a normal weekend, complete with drunk people fighting, women crying over catching their man snogging another women etc etc etc.

    This "we have all become racist" is the same nonsense peddled about anti-Muslim backlash when their is a terrorist attack. There is of course an knuckle dragger or two that the media go big on, but when they look at the figures it is never really anymore than usual i.e. every week there is a knuckle dragger who decides to call somebody something racist.
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    Scott_P said:


    If he does become leader, I suspect some will point out that he has been sacked twice already for allegedly making stuff up.

    I'm sure you will.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    #2 - Another false narrative being pushed I see..

    Don't read this, in case you learn something...

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/poles-and-muslims-are-targeted-amid-sudden-rise-in-hate-crime-wtl6jm2nz
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,465
    IanB2 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TGOHF said:

    Used to be a big David Cameron fan but his lack of leadership since Thursday is a disgrace.

    You are still the PM - man up.

    The 1922 needs to tell Cameron to go now. A 3 month leadership contest is a non starter in the circumstances. We need a proper leader to navigate this crisis not a weeping, broken man.
    We were repeatedly promised that in the event of a Leave victory that Cameron would on the morning of his defeat trigger Clause 50 and then resign with immediate effect. But we've been disappointed.
    Can you provide any evidence for that? I'm not being sarcastic, but I think we established that it was one of those weird things that everyone thought they'd heard but never actually happened (Brexit causing World War III being another example).
    http://openeurope.org.uk/daily-shakeup/cameron-government-would-promptly-trigger-article-50-in-the-event-of-a-leave-vote/

    The url nicely saves you having to read the article!
    good article here
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    JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,215
    edited June 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    weejonnie said:

    Well the clown won two elections for the London Mayor and the most earth shattering political event in recent history.

    Reports say that when he puts his mind to it he is very intelligent and a hard worker - but he has to try and present a more serious frontage to the media for him, and thereby the UK, to be taken seriously.

    If he does become leader, I suspect some will point out that he has been sacked twice already for allegedly making stuff up.

    Yup, just the guy we need right now
    Boris needs to realise the full consequences of his actions - he should be made PM whether he likes it or not.
    I am now definitely voting for him.
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