They have given Remain yellow, so clearly they don't care.
Blue and yellow are sensible colours for those of us who are colourblind. Red-green-brown are to be avoided as that is the most common colourblind spectrum.
Thats like saying well we will change the colours we use on MOTD graphics for the various teams to assist those who are colour bind.
And from an equal ops point of view, so they should. Some matches I just switch off because I can't tell which player is from which team. I also prefer white ball cricket for a similar reason.
Surely even colour blind people don't have problems differentiating between two teams in cricket? One's batting, one's fielding?!
They have given Remain yellow, so clearly they don't care.
Blue and yellow are sensible colours for those of us who are colourblind. Red-green-brown are to be avoided as that is the most common colourblind spectrum.
Thats like saying well we will change the colours we use on MOTD graphics for the various teams to assist those who are colour bind.
And from an equal ops point of view, so they should. Some matches I just switch off because I can't tell which player is from which team. I also prefer white ball cricket for a similar reason.
Surely even colour blind people don't have problems differentiating between two teams in cricket? One's batting, one's fielding?!
No, but a red ball against a green background (grass) doesn't work. The wicket-to-wicket shots are fine but anything hit along the ground is hopeless.
These players have millions to spend, because the potential profits could be even greater. I find it hard to believe they couldn't afford the very best polling. And they are far from stupid. Why would they waste money on "worthless" polls?
We shall see. But I say: Watch the markets.
The financial markets are even worse than betting markets or pollsters for sheep-like behaviour based on the rumour that someone sat next to someone who heard that someone's cousin said that Remain were losing.
I'll be honest my Facebook is getting quite apoplectic about the prospect of Brexit.
Mine too.
To be fair when you have a former education secretary saying "don't listen to experts" I see why people are getting angry.
Yes, but there are a few clever tricks there. Firstly, there are some pretty serious people on the Leave side who are economists, businessmen, lawyers and captains (or ex) of industry.
Second, you don't win economics with a tally. OECD, NIESR and HM treasury (for instance) are all using the same economic model (despite each claiming to be independent) and they are just inputting different baseline data.
Meanwhile, the IMF and NIESR aren't even showing a recession for EEA and the long-term models have small rounding errors for economic performance in/out by 2030.
So much of this is political rather than economic.
Those economists are pretty serious dudes. Disagree with them, use your own inputs, provide, a la Minford, different models. But dismiss them?
Hmm.
Of course you are right, it is all political. That is the whole point of the referendum. Just that I don't think that those institutes have compromised their professional integrity for the sake of politics.
I have to say Topping that if every economist in the world came out and said we would be better off leaving (although it would make me happy on one level) I still wouldn't believe a word they said. Economics as practiced at this level of large scale national and international predictions appears to me to be one of the biggest con jobs around.
There is an old joke about my discipline (Geology) being just alcohol and guessing. Economics just seems to me to be guessing without the alcohol (and that is not a better thing)
It is simply codifying a bunch of common sense assumptions together with some complex maths. You might be amazed at the level of maths needed these days to be a halfway decent economist.
But I know you are being a cheeky monkey and I like that comment about geology.
I think the problem with economics is a combination of an inability to properly factor in all the inputs, an inability to understand how those inputs interact with each other, a failure to take into account human behaviour and finally the old basic problem of garbage in garbage out. The maths may indeed be complex but if your basic assumptions are wrong then it is not going to help you.
That reminds me, when are we expecting to see the Obamarama boost in the polls?
So many memories to cherish.
Remember when Remainers on here told us there was absolutely no way that No. 10 played a part in the suspension of John Longworth? Those innocent days when we thought getting someone at the Chambers of Commerce sacked was below the belt. So many bottoms of so many barrels scraped since then...
Nothing different to what we've heard from the Remain campaign for months. Right down to Putin.
We'll get EEA-EFTA if it's a narrow Leave vote and I'd be very happy with that.
That's been the plan along I suspect, the angry anti-immigration voters will prove to have just been the cannon fodder, the useful idiots that got Leave over the line. They will be ignored after tomorrow. Totally deceitful strategy of course but very clever nevertheless.
Nothing different to what we've heard from the Remain campaign for months. Right down to Putin.
We'll get EEA-EFTA if it's a narrow Leave vote and I'd be very happy with that.
That's been the plan along I suspect, the angry anti-immigration voters will prove to have just been the cannon fodder, the useful idiots that got Leave over the line. They will be ignored after tomorrow. Totally deceitful strategy of course but very clever nevertheless.
No, because we *can* use an emergency brake and EU citizens won't have quite the same rights (as Robert pointed out)
I think it will be "sellable" that if it's a narrow Leave mandate, the votes simply aren't there to justify a full clean break (they might be if Leave won 65/35) and we can always reassess the relationship in 10-15 years time.
For anyone who has been around a few years Leave is the status quo ie remain a soverign independent state and stop those politicians who have been signing sovereignty abolishing treaties since Maastrict from selling our sovereign independence down the river.
For anyone under 40/50 the EU is the status quo, they do not remember a time we were not in the EEC/EC/EU. Hence under 50s for Remain
Im under 50. Under 40 I would agree.
The older voters are the demographic that turns out and for them, Leave is the status quo
Have the older voters forgotten how crap Britain was in the 1970s? Strikes, 3-day weeks, union power, IMF, losing to Iceland in the "cod war", casual racism on telly, etc. etc.
Oh go on then, a couple more days of pb won't kill me .
I returned from my shrink with a clean bill of mental health and discovered surprisingly buoyant polls for Leave. I have therefore succumbed to the siren lure of the political betting cognoscenti. I shall bugger off on Friday, once the result is in/inwardly digested.
breaking: Farage pulls out of Paxo debate, due in an hour's time...
All the politicians must be exhausted by now. Saw a clip of Boris earlier on, and he'd almost lost his voice.
Thats the one thing you can say for Trump, that guy can work....I work long hours (still working now), but I couldn't keep up with that schedule and I am nowhere near his age.
I'm going to be really devastated when Leave lose. Deeply depressed.
Well that's democracy. LEAVE have given it a good go and appears to be in with a chance, which is more than I ever expected given everything the Establishment has unleashed on it.
I know. I'm pleased about that; but it will still be grotty.
Why would it confuse them? I note than in the euros teams are switching between home/away strips for each match and that doesn't seem to have caused any problems. As long as I pay the full licence fee I reckon I'm entitled to an equivalent opportunity to enjoy a match as everyone else. Of course, it was all so much simpler when we only had black and white tellies...!
A friend of mine is colour blind and he has trouble with some games. I think the worst I can remember was Villa Park in 2011:
He said that he had to look at the shorts to the players apart. Arsenal's away kits in 2015-16 were quite frankly a disgrace. Basically, it should be yellow shirts and blue shorts.
Casual racism of course has been eradicated across Europe because of the EU....yeah perhaps not. Again for all the nonsense peddled in this referendum, the UK remains one of the most tolerant places for migrants of all backgrounds.
this is true. many people I know(brown people) say out of all the countries thay have travelled to this is one of the most tolerant, even compared to somewhere like New York.
Nothing different to what we've heard from the Remain campaign for months. Right down to Putin.
We'll get EEA-EFTA if it's a narrow Leave vote and I'd be very happy with that.
That's been the plan along I suspect, the angry anti-immigration voters will prove to have just been the cannon fodder, the useful idiots that got Leave over the line. They will be ignored after tomorrow. Totally deceitful strategy of course but very clever nevertheless.
No, because we *can* use an emergency brake and EU citizens won't have quite the same rights (as Robert pointed out)
I think it will be "sellable" that if it's a narrow Leave mandate, the votes simply aren't there to justify a full clean break (they might be if Leave won 65/35) and we can always reassess the relationship in 10-15 years time.
As I said earlier I am almost 100% certain we cannot use the emergency brake in the way you believe. If we join EFTA and stay in the EEA then we are accepting that - with the exception of the rules on benefits which may well be significant - we cannot do much more about immigration than we can now.
breaking: Farage pulls out of Paxo debate, due in an hour's time...
What's he up to now?
Why risk a slip? He's won.
TCTC and finally realises he it toxic?
If it's TCTC, then evidently he's not toxic, as Leave have been doing very well and he's been quite high profile and referenced a lot by Remain, even though not in VoteLeave.
I can't imagine a Farage appearance would win over any undecided waverers at this point in time, and I am sure the demographic he appeals to are fired up for the polling stations to open tomorrow morning.
For anyone who has been around a few years Leave is the status quo ie remain a soverign independent state and stop those politicians who have been signing sovereignty abolishing treaties since Maastrict from selling our sovereign independence down the river.
For anyone under 40/50 the EU is the status quo, they do not remember a time we were not in the EEC/EC/EU. Hence under 50s for Remain
Im under 50. Under 40 I would agree.
The older voters are the demographic that turns out and for them, Leave is the status quo
Have the older voters forgotten how crap Britain was in the 1970s? Strikes, 3-day weeks, union power, IMF, losing to Iceland in the "cod war", casual racism on telly, etc. etc.
Losing to Iceland? I thought that was next week!
We were in the Common Market for most of those 1970s, so I assume this just proves that being in a European State causes Strikes, 3-day weeks, Union Power, IMF, losing to Iceland etc, etc etc
Broadly, it's down to luck now, which pollster is the most accurate.
If a pollster says 50/50 they're predicting there's a 95% likelihood that Remain and Leave are each polling between 47.5% and 52.5%. One can't be more accurate than that.
breaking: Farage pulls out of Paxo debate, due in an hour's time...
All the politicians must be exhausted by now. Saw a clip of Boris earlier on, and he'd almost lost his voice.
Thats the one thing you can say for Trump, that guy can work....I work long hours (still working now), but I couldn't keep up with that schedule and I am nowhere near his age.
Casual racism of course has been eradicated across Europe because of the EU....yeah perhaps not. Again for all the nonsense peddled in this referendum, the UK remains one of the most tolerant places for migrants of all backgrounds.
this is true. many people I know(brown people) say out of all the countries thay have travelled to this is one of the most tolerant, even compared to somewhere like New York.
Henning Wehn has a good gag....people say the British are intolerant to foreigners, and as a foreigners myself I can say that is absolutely untrue. You British might not like us, but you definitely tolerant us.
Nothing different to what we've heard from the Remain campaign for months. Right down to Putin.
We'll get EEA-EFTA if it's a narrow Leave vote and I'd be very happy with that.
That's been the plan along I suspect, the angry anti-immigration voters will prove to have just been the cannon fodder, the useful idiots that got Leave over the line. They will be ignored after tomorrow. Totally deceitful strategy of course but very clever nevertheless.
No, because we *can* use an emergency brake and EU citizens won't have quite the same rights (as Robert pointed out)
I think it will be "sellable" that if it's a narrow Leave mandate, the votes simply aren't there to justify a full clean break (they might be if Leave won 65/35) and we can always reassess the relationship in 10-15 years time.
As I said earlier I am almost 100% certain we cannot use the emergency brake in the way you believe. If we join EFTA and stay in the EEA then we are accepting that - with the exception of the rules on benefits which may well be significant - we cannot do much more about immigration than we can now.
As immigration isn't a big deal for me (while appreciating it's a fecking colossal deal for others), what are the implications for our relationship with the ECHR?
An informal poll of my long-suffering relatives indicated that they perceive that we have difficulty ejecting EU citizens who've committed criminal acts. My initial thought was this was actually perception vs reality....then realized I have no idea. Thoughts?
These players have millions to spend, because the potential profits could be even greater. I find it hard to believe they couldn't afford the very best polling. And they are far from stupid. Why would they waste money on "worthless" polls?
We shall see. But I say: Watch the markets.
they should give 10,000 people a monkey each. 20,000 even.
They would make multiple times that investment if they got it right.
Right now, the City boys appear relaxed about prospects for the Stock Market tomorrow. After 3 consecutive strongly positive days, they see share prices rising again tomorrow. IG Index's binary spread on the FTSE 100 closing higher than it did today is 60 - 64, i.e. a 62% chance at the mid price it will finish higher and therefore a 38% chance it will finish lower. Based on these numbers, it's probably not yet time to switch one's betting strategy towards LEAVE, but of course this could change. DYOR.
Oh go on then, a couple more days of pb won't kill me .
I returned from my shrink with a clean bill of mental health and discovered surprisingly buoyant polls for Leave. I have therefore succumbed to the siren lure of the political betting cognoscenti. I shall bugger off on Friday, once the result is in/inwardly digested.
Nothing different to what we've heard from the Remain campaign for months. Right down to Putin.
We'll get EEA-EFTA if it's a narrow Leave vote and I'd be very happy with that.
That's been the plan along I suspect, the angry anti-immigration voters will prove to have just been the cannon fodder, the useful idiots that got Leave over the line. They will be ignored after tomorrow. Totally deceitful strategy of course but very clever nevertheless.
No, because we *can* use an emergency brake and EU citizens won't have quite the same rights (as Robert pointed out)
I think it will be "sellable" that if it's a narrow Leave mandate, the votes simply aren't there to justify a full clean break (they might be if Leave won 65/35) and we can always reassess the relationship in 10-15 years time.
All I can say is good luck with selling it to some of the voters I've met out leafletting!
Casual racism of course has been eradicated across Europe because of the EU....yeah perhaps not. Again for all the nonsense peddled in this referendum, the UK remains one of the most tolerant places for migrants of all backgrounds.
this is true. many people I know(brown people) say out of all the countries thay have travelled to this is one of the most tolerant, even compared to somewhere like New York.
There was french footballer saying he felt more welcome in the UK than France recently.
(I don't follow footie, so I don't remember his name.)
The problem with going overboard against Leavers for being angry about immigration is that as most people (though not me) are angry about immigration, they simply won't believe the claims, and so will disbelieve other claims against the same person. It's like how Khan may have had some questions to answer re some people he knew in the past, but he is clearly no extremist, and that was the implication by Goldsmith's campaign - the claim just wasn't believable, if for different reasons.
I'll be honest my Facebook is getting quite apoplectic about the prospect of Brexit.
Mine too.
To be fair when you have a former education secretary saying "don't listen to experts" I see why people are getting angry.
Yes, but there are a few clever tricks there. Firstly, there are some pretty serious people on the Leave side who are economists, businessmen, lawyers and captains (or ex) of industry.
Second, you don't win economics with a tally. OECD, NIESR and HM treasury (for instance) are all using the same economic model (despite each claiming to be independent) and they are just inputting different baseline data.
Meanwhile, the IMF and NIESR aren't even showing a recession for EEA and the long-term models have small rounding errors for economic performance in/out by 2030.
So much of this is political rather than economic.
Those economists are pretty serious dudes. Disagree with them, use your own inputs, provide, a la Minford, different models. But dismiss them?
Hmm.
Of course you are right, it is all political. That is the whole point of the referendum. Just that I don't think that those institutes have compromised their professional integrity for the sake of politics.
I have to say Topping that if every economist in the world came out and said we would be better off leaving (although it would make me happy on one level) I still wouldn't believe a word they said. Economics as practiced at this level of large scale national and international predictions appears to me to be one of the biggest con jobs around.
There is an old joke about my discipline (Geology) being just alcohol and guessing. Economics just seems to me to be guessing without the alcohol (and that is not a better thing)
Actually, it's cocaine, methampetamine, Gitanes, and guesswork.
Blimey Gove is an economist, that's why he doesn't believe in experts solved.
The problem with going overboard against Leavers for being angry about immigration is that as most people (though not me) are angry about immigration, they simply won't believe the claims, and so will disbelieve other claims against the same person. It's like how Khan may have had some questions to answer re some people he knew in the past, but he is clearly no extremist, and that was the implication by Goldsmith's campaign - the claim just wasn't believable, if for different reasons.
I think the Little Englander remark was a really bad move for Remain....it just labelled a load of people as coded racists. And with New Labour and their PC stuff, where everybody was labelled a racist at some point, people are fairly certain that concerns over immigration aint racist especially as they hear and see immigrants saying the same thing.
The problem with going overboard against Leavers for being angry about immigration is that as most people (though not me) are angry about immigration, they simply won't believe the claims, and so will disbelieve other claims against the same person. It's like how Khan may have had some questions to answer re some people he knew in the past, but he is clearly no extremist, and that was the implication by Goldsmith's campaign - the claim just wasn't believable, if for different reasons.
I was quite surprised by how meh Mr Khan was at last night's debate. Who are Labour's star performers?
Oh go on then, a couple more days of pb won't kill me .
I returned from my shrink with a clean bill of mental health and discovered surprisingly buoyant polls for Leave. I have therefore succumbed to the siren lure of the political betting cognoscenti. I shall bugger off on Friday, once the result is in/inwardly digested.
What a time to be alive!
Congrats on the shrink sign-off.
I have to go back in a year, like many of us, my sanity is a sometime thing .
Nothing different to what we've heard from the Remain campaign for months. Right down to Putin.
We'll get EEA-EFTA if it's a narrow Leave vote and I'd be very happy with that.
That's been the plan along I suspect, the angry anti-immigration voters will prove to have just been the cannon fodder, the useful idiots that got Leave over the line. They will be ignored after tomorrow. Totally deceitful strategy of course but very clever nevertheless.
No, because we *can* use an emergency brake and EU citizens won't have quite the same rights (as Robert pointed out)
I think it will be "sellable" that if it's a narrow Leave mandate, the votes simply aren't there to justify a full clean break (they might be if Leave won 65/35) and we can always reassess the relationship in 10-15 years time.
All I can say is good luck with selling it to some of the voters I've met out leafletting!
I think they'd recognise that pragmatism would need to rule on a tight vote. But, I'm also confident Leave would have something to offer them!
Nothing different to what we've heard from the Remain campaign for months. Right down to Putin.
We'll get EEA-EFTA if it's a narrow Leave vote and I'd be very happy with that.
That's been the plan along I suspect, the angry anti-immigration voters will prove to have just been the cannon fodder, the useful idiots that got Leave over the line. They will be ignored after tomorrow. Totally deceitful strategy of course but very clever nevertheless.
No, because we *can* use an emergency brake and EU citizens won't have quite the same rights (as Robert pointed out)
I think it will be "sellable" that if it's a narrow Leave mandate, the votes simply aren't there to justify a full clean break (they might be if Leave won 65/35) and we can always reassess the relationship in 10-15 years time.
As I said earlier I am almost 100% certain we cannot use the emergency brake in the way you believe. If we join EFTA and stay in the EEA then we are accepting that - with the exception of the rules on benefits which may well be significant - we cannot do much more about immigration than we can now.
As immigration isn't a big deal for me (while appreciating it's a fecking colossal deal for others), what are the implications for our relationship with the ECHR?
An informal poll of my long-suffering relatives indicated that they perceive that we have difficulty ejecting EU citizens who've committed criminal acts. My initial thought was this was actually perception vs reality....then realized I have no idea. Thoughts?
No implications at all. There was a move up until a year or more ago to make the EU a signatory to the ECHR and to try to standardise rulings. That would have meant that as long as one stayed in the EU one was bound by the ECHR - at least that would have been the eventual aim. The ECJ (I believe) ruled against this so the two institutions (EU and ECHR remain completely separate).
If the UK wanted to Leave the ECHR (and I am not advocating that) then being inside or outside the EU makes no difference. Nor does being inside or outside EFTA/EEA
The problem with going overboard against Leavers for being angry about immigration is that as most people (though not me) are angry about immigration, they simply won't believe the claims, and so will disbelieve other claims against the same person. It's like how Khan may have had some questions to answer re some people he knew in the past, but he is clearly no extremist, and that was the implication by Goldsmith's campaign - the claim just wasn't believable, if for different reasons.
It must be a shock for some Millenials to realise that most voters aren't happy about mass immigration.
Oh go on then, a couple more days of pb won't kill me .
I returned from my shrink with a clean bill of mental health and discovered surprisingly buoyant polls for Leave. I have therefore succumbed to the siren lure of the political betting cognoscenti. I shall bugger off on Friday, once the result is in/inwardly digested.
What a time to be alive!
Congrats on the shrink sign-off.
I have to go back in a year, like many of us, my sanity is a sometime thing .
For anyone who has been around a few years Leave is the status quo ie remain a soverign independent state and stop those politicians who have been signing sovereignty abolishing treaties since Maastrict from selling our sovereign independence down the river.
For anyone under 40/50 the EU is the status quo, they do not remember a time we were not in the EEC/EC/EU. Hence under 50s for Remain
Im under 50. Under 40 I would agree.
The older voters are the demographic that turns out and for them, Leave is the status quo
Have the older voters forgotten how crap Britain was in the 1970s? Strikes, 3-day weeks, union power, IMF, losing to Iceland in the "cod war", casual racism on telly, etc. etc.
How come the 70s come out consistently as the UKs most happy decade ? With 1976 the best year ever .
For anyone who has been around a few years Leave is the status quo ie remain a soverign independent state and stop those politicians who have been signing sovereignty abolishing treaties since Maastrict from selling our sovereign independence down the river.
For anyone under 40/50 the EU is the status quo, they do not remember a time we were not in the EEC/EC/EU. Hence under 50s for Remain
Im under 50. Under 40 I would agree.
The older voters are the demographic that turns out and for them, Leave is the status quo
Have the older voters forgotten how crap Britain was in the 1970s? Strikes, 3-day weeks, union power, IMF, losing to Iceland in the "cod war", casual racism on telly, etc. etc.
How come the 70s come out consistently as the UKs most happy decade ? With 1976 the best year ever .
For anyone who has been around a few years Leave is the status quo ie remain a soverign independent state and stop those politicians who have been signing sovereignty abolishing treaties since Maastrict from selling our sovereign independence down the river.
For anyone under 40/50 the EU is the status quo, they do not remember a time we were not in the EEC/EC/EU. Hence under 50s for Remain
Im under 50. Under 40 I would agree.
The older voters are the demographic that turns out and for them, Leave is the status quo
Have the older voters forgotten how crap Britain was in the 1970s? Strikes, 3-day weeks, union power, IMF, losing to Iceland in the "cod war", casual racism on telly, etc. etc.
How come the 70s come out consistently as the UKs most happy decade ? With 1976 the best year ever .
They have given Remain yellow, so clearly they don't care.
Blue and yellow are sensible colours for those of us who are colourblind. Red-green-brown are to be avoided as that is the most common colourblind spectrum.
Thats like saying well we will change the colours we use on MOTD graphics for the various teams to assist those who are colour bind.
And from an equal ops point of view, so they should. Some matches I just switch off because I can't tell which player is from which team. I also prefer white ball cricket for a similar reason.
Surely even colour blind people don't have problems differentiating between two teams in cricket? One's batting, one's fielding?!
No, but a red ball against a green background (grass) doesn't work. The wicket-to-wicket shots are fine but anything hit along the ground is hopeless.
What do you make of the pink ball in D/N Test cricket (if you've seen any vids)? Chris Rogers, the Aussie opener, is colour blind and said he struggled picking a pink ball up at all.
Swedish MEP praying for a domino effect if Britain Leaves...
OK then, we may start EU-II...
British Values, British Law. Who's in?
You're giving me the horn.
The UK genuinely leading Europe? Who'd vote for that?
Maybe no-one, but the point would be having the chance to vote about it.
(Good evening everyone)
Good evening Anne. You are always so polite when you come on here and never fail to say good evening. I thought it was about time I returned the compliment.
The problem with going overboard against Leavers for being angry about immigration is that as most people (though not me) are angry about immigration, they simply won't believe the claims, and so will disbelieve other claims against the same person. It's like how Khan may have had some questions to answer re some people he knew in the past, but he is clearly no extremist, and that was the implication by Goldsmith's campaign - the claim just wasn't believable, if for different reasons.
I was quite surprised by how meh Mr Khan was at last night's debate. Who are Labour's star performers?
Gisela Stuart was on the other side.
But in terms of other known 'good' performers, IDK. Khan seems like a safe choice, he just won a buttload of votes in London, but at his best he's only ok, and his one attempt to get fired up was shot down within seconds by, IIRC, Leadsom, who otherwise I thought had a bland but tolerable night.
Swedish MEP praying for a domino effect if Britain Leaves...
OK then, we may start EU-II...
British Values, British Law. Who's in?
You're giving me the horn.
The UK genuinely leading Europe? Who'd vote for that?
I know - Davidson last night was saying the UK was making the EU work for us, not the other way around, now that is a romantic ideal if I've ever seen one.
The problem with going overboard against Leavers for being angry about immigration is that as most people (though not me) are angry about immigration, they simply won't believe the claims, and so will disbelieve other claims against the same person. It's like how Khan may have had some questions to answer re some people he knew in the past, but he is clearly no extremist, and that was the implication by Goldsmith's campaign - the claim just wasn't believable, if for different reasons.
It must be a shock for some Millenials to realise that most voters aren't happy about mass immigration.
Yes indeed - personally, and selfishly, I've never been negatively affected by mass immigration in any way, and without seeing that I just don't really mind, but I know for sure that is unusual, and would even anger a lot of people - that's why if I say something like we cannot take any more immigrants (not that I do very often, if I ever have) it would be in the sense of how much society is willing to accept, rather than pressure on any resources - that's almost irrelevant, even if it isn't the case, most people think it is.
The problem with going overboard against Leavers for being angry about immigration is that as most people (though not me) are angry about immigration, they simply won't believe the claims, and so will disbelieve other claims against the same person. It's like how Khan may have had some questions to answer re some people he knew in the past, but he is clearly no extremist, and that was the implication by Goldsmith's campaign - the claim just wasn't believable, if for different reasons.
I was quite surprised by how meh Mr Khan was at last night's debate. Who are Labour's star performers?
He's a fairly awful debater, he mumbles and burbles, and he fluffs jokes. A nice guy, but no charisma.
Yet still an order of magnitude better than anyone else Labour have put forward in recent years.
Jeez, disappear for two hours to find SIX PAGES of new posts. Is anyone with a job actually keeping up with PB for the last week?
On the plane from earlier, it was definitely a twin engined plane, and will have been under ATC command flying directly above the river. They would have had to get lots of permissions for the flight, and one needs a commercial licence for banner towing. There's not a cat in hell's chance they just decided to fly over a crowd at a rally, messing around really isn't tolerated by the CAA (Civil Aviation Authority, or Campaign Against Aviation as anyone who's ever dealt with them will attest!).
For anyone who has been around a few years Leave is the status quo ie remain a soverign independent state and stop those politicians who have been signing sovereignty abolishing treaties since Maastrict from selling our sovereign independence down the river.
For anyone under 40/50 the EU is the status quo, they do not remember a time we were not in the EEC/EC/EU. Hence under 50s for Remain
Im under 50. Under 40 I would agree.
The older voters are the demographic that turns out and for them, Leave is the status quo
Have the older voters forgotten how crap Britain was in the 1970s? Strikes, 3-day weeks, union power, IMF, losing to Iceland in the "cod war", casual racism on telly, etc. etc.
How come the 70s come out consistently as the UKs most happy decade ? With 1976 the best year ever .
Of course it was. I was born in 76.
The 70s mood music was crap.
We bought our council house, got a colour telly for the '70 World Cup and even had central heating put in. That was on one income.
The music made up for the union madness etc. 1976 was the endless summer. Fantastic.
For anyone who has been around a few years Leave is the status quo ie remain a soverign independent state and stop those politicians who have been signing sovereignty abolishing treaties since Maastrict from selling our sovereign independence down the river.
For anyone under 40/50 the EU is the status quo, they do not remember a time we were not in the EEC/EC/EU. Hence under 50s for Remain
Im under 50. Under 40 I would agree.
The older voters are the demographic that turns out and for them, Leave is the status quo
Have the older voters forgotten how crap Britain was in the 1970s? Strikes, 3-day weeks, union power, IMF, losing to Iceland in the "cod war", casual racism on telly, etc. etc.
How come the 70s come out consistently as the UKs most happy decade ? With 1976 the best year ever .
Of course it was. I was born in 76.
The 70s mood music was crap.
We bought our council house, got a colour telly for the '70 World Cup and even had central heating put in. That was on one income.
The music made up for the union madness etc. 1976 was the endless summer. Fantastic.
For anyone who has been around a few years Leave is the status quo ie remain a soverign independent state and stop those politicians who have been signing sovereignty abolishing treaties since Maastrict from selling our sovereign independence down the river.
For anyone under 40/50 the EU is the status quo, they do not remember a time we were not in the EEC/EC/EU. Hence under 50s for Remain
Im under 50. Under 40 I would agree.
The older voters are the demographic that turns out and for them, Leave is the status quo
Have the older voters forgotten how crap Britain was in the 1970s? Strikes, 3-day weeks, union power, IMF, losing to Iceland in the "cod war", casual racism on telly, etc. etc.
How come the 70s come out consistently as the UKs most happy decade ? With 1976 the best year ever .
Of course it was. I was born in 76.
personally I found 77 better. Finished O levels. long summer new wave music and had lots of money from my first job - bin man !
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And urgh, just looked at The Times for tomorrow - Aaronovitch is comparing Leavers to Enoch Powell.
I'll skip straight to the comments - they'll be fun.
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/745637696748523520
Remember when Remainers on here told us there was absolutely no way that No. 10 played a part in the suspension of John Longworth? Those innocent days when we thought getting someone at the Chambers of Commerce sacked was below the belt. So many bottoms of so many barrels scraped since then...
We have last poll of campaign - & from @ComResPolls, which did better in election than others, on @NewsAtTen. It's interesting
I think it will be "sellable" that if it's a narrow Leave mandate, the votes simply aren't there to justify a full clean break (they might be if Leave won 65/35) and we can always reassess the relationship in 10-15 years time.
I just hope that the faces on the BBC look as glum as they did last year.
I returned from my shrink with a clean bill of mental health and discovered surprisingly buoyant polls for Leave. I have therefore succumbed to the siren lure of the political betting cognoscenti. I shall bugger off on Friday, once the result is in/inwardly digested.
What a time to be alive!
http://tinyurl.com/jmoyed6
He said that he had to look at the shorts to the players apart. Arsenal's away kits in 2015-16 were quite frankly a disgrace. Basically, it should be yellow shirts and blue shorts.
Usual guff.
Been tipped off?
If a pollster says 50/50 they're predicting there's a 95% likelihood that Remain and Leave are each polling between 47.5% and 52.5%. One can't be more accurate than that.
Facebook is for family and friends. I do not touch politics on it.
I leave the banter of political discussion for the mature* folks on here, who can cope with it.
*stop laughing at the back.
An informal poll of my long-suffering relatives indicated that they perceive that we have difficulty ejecting EU citizens who've committed criminal acts. My initial thought was this was actually perception vs reality....then realized I have no idea. Thoughts?
IG Index's binary spread on the FTSE 100 closing higher than it did today is 60 - 64, i.e. a 62% chance at the mid price it will finish higher and therefore a 38% chance it will finish lower. Based on these numbers, it's probably not yet time to switch one's betting strategy towards LEAVE, but of course this could change.
DYOR.
It's amazing how much hate comes out from the "hope not hate" crowd...
(I don't follow footie, so I don't remember his name.)
The UK genuinely leading Europe? Who'd vote for that?
If the UK wanted to Leave the ECHR (and I am not advocating that) then being inside or outside the EU makes no difference. Nor does being inside or outside EFTA/EEA
Like I said before, I'm not sure Nigel Farage is currently acting like a man who thinks he's on the cusp of history.
(Good evening everyone)
titters
But in terms of other known 'good' performers, IDK. Khan seems like a safe choice, he just won a buttload of votes in London, but at his best he's only ok, and his one attempt to get fired up was shot down within seconds by, IIRC, Leadsom, who otherwise I thought had a bland but tolerable night. I know - Davidson last night was saying the UK was making the EU work for us, not the other way around, now that is a romantic ideal if I've ever seen one. Yes indeed - personally, and selfishly, I've never been negatively affected by mass immigration in any way, and without seeing that I just don't really mind, but I know for sure that is unusual, and would even anger a lot of people - that's why if I say something like we cannot take any more immigrants (not that I do very often, if I ever have) it would be in the sense of how much society is willing to accept, rather than pressure on any resources - that's almost irrelevant, even if it isn't the case, most people think it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzNj-hH8LkY
On the plane from earlier, it was definitely a twin engined plane, and will have been under ATC command flying directly above the river. They would have had to get lots of permissions for the flight, and one needs a commercial licence for banner towing. There's not a cat in hell's chance they just decided to fly over a crowd at a rally, messing around really isn't tolerated by the CAA (Civil Aviation Authority, or Campaign Against Aviation as anyone who's ever dealt with them will attest!).
We bought our council house, got a colour telly for the '70 World Cup and even had central heating put in. That was on one income.
The music made up for the union madness etc. 1976 was the endless summer. Fantastic.
step forward ..
I give you...
Mr. Mark Reckless
the limelight awaits once more
(or diddy Neil Hamilton)?