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  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Wonderful exposition of the inconsistencies in Labour's TTIP position right now by Neil!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,345
    Scott_P said:

    Benn spouting lies.

    Claimed there was no holiday pay in the UK before the EU.

    No, he said it was not statutory for all workers before the EU
    No, he said that there wasn't holiday pay before we joined the EU, then realised he was wrong and moved on to part time worker rights.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    The Neil interviews, I suspect, will have less impact than the Sky-style bearpit approach [unless something horrendous happens].

    Less high drama that's easily edited for news clips.
  • AnnaAnna Posts: 59
    Benn struggling on immigration, railways and trade deals so he's brings up the War....

    Is he *really* in the running for next Labour leader?
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    This Andrew Neil interview swings me toward leave. Horrific Benn interview - labour are fecked.

    Who do you normally vote for? Thanx!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Not watching but sounds like Neill is showing in why he should do all the major political stuff but instead is relegated to secondary stuff.
  • Andrew Neil giving a masterclass in what a well briefed interviewer should be like. To be fair Hilary Benn is just about holding up under this forensic onslaught.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,345
    Benn getting smashed on the fear mongering economics now. Osborne should call in sick Neil is going to absolutely destroy him.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,266

    Mr. 1983, an alternative would be putting together a Twitter list called Tipstr featuring chaps who know their fields reasonably well. Rapid response to events can pave the way to victory as bookies take 15-30 minutes to respond to things (as well as a recent example, in 2012 I got about 5/1 on Maldonado and Alonso to lead lap of Spain. Both were on the front row after Hamilton was disqualified from his pole position).

    Edited extra bit: for those wondering, I very rarely mention tipping or bets on Twitter, pb.com is where I ruminate on such things.

    Fantastic idea and you should definitely do it, but not sure there's enough there for a new social network - though catering to niche interests is definitely the way forward.

    The reality is, everything fragments. Everything distils into purer, more focused, more dumbed down versions of itself. The most popular bit of Myspace was the status update, so Facebook takes over. Twitter, reductive of Facebook. Snapchat, reductive of Twitter. Find a more focused, reduced, dumbed down idea, and it will work.
  • SeanT said:

    Good god Benn is awful. A dry, snooty, mealy mouthed technocrat.

    Just the worst voice for REMAIN.

    Leadership bid not looking so good?
    Benn would be a terrible PM. He just does not have a clue how to get things done in the real world.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,120
    I agree with you, sadly. Benn is stupor incarnated in human form.

    And this is my last post on pbCOM on this excruciating matter. I am upset, my wife thinks I'm obsessed, I've voted anyhow and not going to convince anyone here anyhow. I wish Cameron hadn't left this important decision in the hands of the British lumpen.

    Cheers for now pbCOM, I'll probably be drawn back for the US election so best of wishes to JackW, and thanks to Lucky for warding me off Rice Crispies (my favourite snack) in the interim. Ali,,,Bumaye....
    SeanT said:

    Good god Benn is awful. A dry, snooty, mealy mouthed technocrat.

    Just the worst voice for REMAIN.

  • glwglw Posts: 10,020
    RobD said:

    Shall we create a new social network? This could be our Zuckerberg moment!

    Am reminded of that Father Ted priest phone line.... :open_mouth:
    Yes, but it would probably be even worse than that. :D
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,345

    Not watching but sounds like Neill is showing in why he should do all the major political stuff but instead is relegated to secondary stuff.

    Yes, one does feel that this is his job interview for taking over Question Time and election nights.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    Scott_P said:

    @LOS_Fisher: Van salesman told Osborne he'd same name as chancellor. Replying he was the chancellor, man was sceptical. "We had to stand there as he googled my face."

    I guess this is what happens if you're a Submarine Chancellor.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,937
    Anna said:

    Benn struggling on immigration, railways and trade deals so he's brings up the War....

    Is he *really* in the running for next Labour leader?

    That was embarrassing. Whatever the result of the referendum we urgently need to do something to elevate our politics.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Mr. Urquhart, Neil should front election shows, with Sophie Raworth also on-duty. Dimbleby's past it and Huw Edwards is human horlicks.

    Mr. 1983, I'm off shortly, but I may see about making a list tomorrow.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    MaxPB said:

    Not watching but sounds like Neill is showing in why he should do all the major political stuff but instead is relegated to secondary stuff.

    Yes, one does feel that this is his job interview for taking over Question Time and election nights.
    I bet they don't pick him....
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Can't wait for Wedneday 7.30pm on BBC when Andrew Neil tears Osborne to shreds - less than 48 hours to wait!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    MaxPB said:

    No, he said that there wasn't holiday pay before we joined the EU, then realised he was wrong and moved on to part time worker rights.

    No he didn't. I have just watched the replay
  • Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    edited June 2016
    I think today is unequivocally the turning point.

    3 polls put leave ahead.

    Cameron stands next to Hattie and starts going on about bombs.

    Kinnock Junior gets up on his hind legs and says ITS ALWIGHT,ITS ALWIGHT WE WILL JUST IGNORE THE RESULT.

    And now Neil kebabs Benn.

    - and pb remainers start throwing in the towel
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,433

    NEW THREAD NEW THREAD

  • Osborne must be praying that Neil has a sickie rather than go ahead on Weds. When was the last time Osborne had a forensic type of interview?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    I'm off for the evening. Be nice, everyone.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,667
    I'm a huge fan of the idea of the European Union and a pan-European identity, however this campaign has got me so jaded that tonight I am tempted to vote to leave. The implementation of the EU in its current form is just so poor...

    I wonder if there are others like me.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,153
    tyson said:

    I agree with you, sadly. Benn is stupor incarnated in human form.

    And this is my last post on pbCOM on this excruciating matter. I am upset, my wife thinks I'm obsessed, I've voted anyhow and not going to convince anyone here anyhow. I wish Cameron hadn't left this important decision in the hands of the British lumpen.

    Cheers for now pbCOM, I'll probably be drawn back for the US election so best of wishes to JackW, and thanks to Lucky for warding me off Rice Crispies (my favourite snack) in the interim. Ali,,,Bumaye....

    SeanT said:

    Good god Benn is awful. A dry, snooty, mealy mouthed technocrat.

    Just the worst voice for REMAIN.

    Enjoy life, @tyson :smile:
  • SeanT said:

    hunchman said:

    Funny how Channel 4 were trying to pass off Eddie Izzard as young and appealing to the youth vote - he is 54 now and been on the block since 1982!

    Also, he's a 54 year old man who wears a dress, red lipstick and wants to have breasts.

    I applaud his bravery in being so open, but it is a tiny bit difficult to take him seriously when he sometimes looks like a pantomime dame

    He is, or was, an absolutely brilliant comic. One of the best I have ever seen. Genius.
    I am not sure the yuff even know he used to be a famous comic.
    Admittedly a small sample size but I have just asked the two young ladies behind the bar at my local if they had heard of Eddie Izzard.
    One who is 21 has heard of him, the other who is 19 hasn't.
    Make of that what you will.
    The one that had heard of him...did he know he used to be one.of the biggest comics or did he know him as the person who is part of LGBT community & bangs on about politics?
    I was trying to encourage her to vote last month. After the most recent election, I asked if she had.
    "I was gonna vote, then couldn't be bothered."
    Having now asked her, she has heard of the name but doesn't know anything about him.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    SeanT said:

    Benn being murdered on immigration.

    Virtually said that the Labour policy was for no limit on immigration.
    Correct. Why should there be one ?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,153
    hunchman said:

    Can't wait for Wedneday 7.30pm on BBC when Andrew Neil tears Osborne to shreds - less than 48 hours to wait!

    Car crash interviews may be good viewing, but if Mr Neil tears everyone he interviews to shreds, how does that help the viewers reach a decision on the referendum?
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    The 'economic bomb' language that Cameron used today makes me wonder who the hell is advising Cameron on this campaign? Surely anyone with an ounce of sense on the remain side can see that more and more fearmongering rhetoric is only going to dig an even deeper hole for themselves.

    I think when the telephone polling companies realised they'd made such an enormous error with the over 65 sample that that has played into the leave campaign's hand as it has more than accentuated the shift in polls. But never in a million years could Cameron or anyone organising the remain campaign have forseen just what a hindrance and spanner in the works that Corbyn's one-hundredth hearted campaign has and is proving to be.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    AnneJGP said:

    hunchman said:

    Can't wait for Wedneday 7.30pm on BBC when Andrew Neil tears Osborne to shreds - less than 48 hours to wait!

    Car crash interviews may be good viewing, but if Mr Neil tears everyone he interviews to shreds, how does that help the viewers reach a decision on the referendum?
    I do worry about both Farage and IDS to come. If Neil asks Farage about his ridiculous Cologne sex attack comments then he should just apologies there and then and say he got it wrong, and contrast that with the entrenched positions of the remain campaign. That's the moment I fear when Farage comes up against Cameron against Wembley, and if he tries to get too clever and use a football analogy or something of the sort as well.

    IDS I'd have the same worry as Benn jnr - not quick enough thinking on his feet to avoid being pole-axed by Neil, but he's not as bad as Benn jnr on that score.
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