Previous recent posters had separately mentioned lying in the campaign and Penny Mordaunt, so the opportunity to yoke the two themes together seemed too good to miss.
Previous recent posters had separately mentioned lying in the campaign and Penny Mordaunt, so the opportunity to yoke the two themes together seemed too good to miss.
In fairness she might just be ignorant. There is a lot of it about on both sides.
Previous recent posters had separately mentioned lying in the campaign and Penny Mordaunt, so the opportunity to yoke the two themes together seemed too good to miss.
oh is that all.
If we were to list all the incidents of MPs lying, stretching the truth or deliberately misleading us PB would need a new server.
Previous recent posters had separately mentioned lying in the campaign and Penny Mordaunt, so the opportunity to yoke the two themes together seemed too good to miss.
In fairness she might just be ignorant. There is a lot of it about on both sides.
she may also be correct. The veto is only a veto if you are prepared to use it. HMG wouldn't, they'd hide behind the Greeks or Austrians.
Good to see the CEO of NHS England putting the case for Remain on the Marr show. My guess is he'd be fired on the spot for putting the case for Leave on TV.
It seems to me that the main thrust of the remain campaign now seems twofold
1) Monster leading leavers (especially Boris who is most dangerous) as Charlatans
2) Propagandise a narrative that Remain are inevatibly going to win so leavers might as well not bother to vote or better still vote remain so you don't become an outcast
It seems to me that the main thrust of the remain campaign now seems twofold
1) Monster leading leavers (especially Boris who is most dangerous) as Charlatans
2) Propagandise a narrative that Remain are inevatibly going to win so leavers might as well not bother to vote or better still vote remain so you don't become an outcast
the problem with 2) is if it's not worth voting their own supporters will stay at home too and that favours Leave. You can expect a turnout scare story some time in the next fortnight.
Previous recent posters had separately mentioned lying in the campaign and Penny Mordaunt, so the opportunity to yoke the two themes together seemed too good to miss.
In fairness she might just be ignorant. There is a lot of it about on both sides.
she may also be correct. The veto is only a veto if you are prepared to use it. HMG wouldn't, they'd hide behind the Greeks or Austrians.
Never ceases to amaze me that seemingly intelligent people have rose tinted specs when it comes to the EU legislation. I'd doubt we use it even if we have it, mustn't upset our neighbours and no doubt we would be accused of being racist even to consider doing so.
The risk with Turkey is not so much them joining the EU (which probably would not require a veto as there is likely to be a majority against) but that their citizens are given the sort of freedom of movement through the EU that they are already being offered with Schengen.
At the moment Turkey have the EU by the short and curlies and are showing considerable enthusiasm for having a tug.
Good to see the CEO of NHS England putting the case for Remain on the Marr show. My guess is he'd be fired on the spot for putting the case for Leave on TV.
If we REMAIN did he guarantee another 10 years on PB for mature Jacobite aristos or would we all be consigned to ConHome if LEAVE win ?!?
Previous recent posters had separately mentioned lying in the campaign and Penny Mordaunt, so the opportunity to yoke the two themes together seemed too good to miss.
In fairness she might just be ignorant. There is a lot of it about on both sides.
she may also be correct. The veto is only a veto if you are prepared to use it. HMG wouldn't, they'd hide behind the Greeks or Austrians.
Previous recent posters had separately mentioned lying in the campaign and Penny Mordaunt, so the opportunity to yoke the two themes together seemed too good to miss.
In fairness she might just be ignorant. There is a lot of it about on both sides.
she may also be correct. The veto is only a veto if you are prepared to use it. HMG wouldn't, they'd hide behind the Greeks or Austrians.
She can't be 'correct'. The UK does have a veto
Truthiness is more important than facts, Roger.
It feels right that Britain doesn't have a veto, so Leavers can assert that it doesn't. It isn't lying, it's speaking from the heart.
In the same way, immigrants are stealing British workers' jobs despite employment rates being at all time highs.
The risk with Turkey is not so much them joining the EU (which probably would not require a veto as there is likely to be a majority against) but that their citizens are given the sort of freedom of movement through the EU that they are already being offered with Schengen.
At the moment Turkey have the EU by the short and curlies and are showing considerable enthusiasm for having a tug.
TBH the probability of Turkey joining the “European” Union is about the only thing which would switch me to Leave.
Previous recent posters had separately mentioned lying in the campaign and Penny Mordaunt, so the opportunity to yoke the two themes together seemed too good to miss.
In fairness she might just be ignorant. There is a lot of it about on both sides.
she may also be correct. The veto is only a veto if you are prepared to use it. HMG wouldn't, they'd hide behind the Greeks or Austrians.
She can't be 'correct'. The UK does have a veto
Truthiness is more important than facts, Roger.
It feels right that Britain doesn't have a veto, so Leavers can assert that it doesn't. It isn't lying, it's speaking from the heart.
In the same way, immigrants are stealing British workers' jobs despite employment rates being at all time highs.
And what about the small matter of wage rates and job rates?
And is there much foreign competition in the law business?
Previous recent posters had separately mentioned lying in the campaign and Penny Mordaunt, so the opportunity to yoke the two themes together seemed too good to miss.
In fairness she might just be ignorant. There is a lot of it about on both sides.
she may also be correct. The veto is only a veto if you are prepared to use it. HMG wouldn't, they'd hide behind the Greeks or Austrians.
She can't be 'correct'. The UK does have a veto
Truthiness is more important than facts, Roger.
It feels right that Britain doesn't have a veto, so Leavers can assert that it doesn't. It isn't lying, it's speaking from the heart.
In the same way, immigrants are stealing British workers' jobs despite employment rates being at all time highs.
Her Maj theoretically can refuse to sign legislation. it's technically a veto.
Does anyone seriously imagine she'd use it ? The list time a monarch did this was 1708. If you haven't used your veto for 3 centuries it's meaningless. A nice thing to decorate the mantle piece but not much use.
Previous recent posters had separately mentioned lying in the campaign and Penny Mordaunt, so the opportunity to yoke the two themes together seemed too good to miss.
In fairness she might just be ignorant. There is a lot of it about on both sides.
she may also be correct. The veto is only a veto if you are prepared to use it. HMG wouldn't, they'd hide behind the Greeks or Austrians.
She can't be 'correct'. The UK does have a veto
Truthiness is more important than facts, Roger.
It feels right that Britain doesn't have a veto, so Leavers can assert that it doesn't. It isn't lying, it's speaking from the heart.
In the same way, immigrants are stealing British workers' jobs despite employment rates being at all time highs.
Her Maj theoretically can refuse to sign legislation. it's technically a veto.
Does anyone seriously imagine she'd use it ? The list time a monarch did this was 1708. If you haven't used your veto for 3 centuries it's meaningless. A nice thing to decorate the mantle piece but not much use.
Didn't Major abolish that veto. The speaker signs it now instead?
Assuming the veto still exists I suspect were a government to try and abolish the representation of the people act and keep themselves in power indefinitely then I suspect the cobwebs might get dusted off.
Previous recent posters had separately mentioned lying in the campaign and Penny Mordaunt, so the opportunity to yoke the two themes together seemed too good to miss.
In fairness she might just be ignorant. There is a lot of it about on both sides.
she may also be correct. The veto is only a veto if you are prepared to use it. HMG wouldn't, they'd hide behind the Greeks or Austrians.
She can't be 'correct'. The UK does have a veto
Truthiness is more important than facts, Roger.
It feels right that Britain doesn't have a veto, so Leavers can assert that it doesn't. It isn't lying, it's speaking from the heart.
In the same way, immigrants are stealing British workers' jobs despite employment rates being at all time highs.
Her Maj theoretically can refuse to sign legislation. it's technically a veto.
Does anyone seriously imagine she'd use it ? The list time a monarch did this was 1708. If you haven't used your veto for 3 centuries it's meaningless. A nice thing to decorate the mantle piece but not much use.
The current Prime Minister has used a power of veto at EU level. So your analogy is simply absurd.
Leavers need to stop speaking from their hearts and reconnect with the real world.
After all, it isn't really the UK that has a veto, it's the government of the day as we saw last time Labour were in and irreversibly ceding rebates and opt-outs.
What is the Elusive Corbyn's view? What is Farron's view and Sturgeon's?
All of these could conceivably end up in government.
Previous recent posters had separately mentioned lying in the campaign and Penny Mordaunt, so the opportunity to yoke the two themes together seemed too good to miss.
In fairness she might just be ignorant. There is a lot of it about on both sides.
she may also be correct. The veto is only a veto if you are prepared to use it. HMG wouldn't, they'd hide behind the Greeks or Austrians.
She can't be 'correct'. The UK does have a veto
Truthiness is more important than facts, Roger.
It feels right that Britain doesn't have a veto, so Leavers can assert that it doesn't. It isn't lying, it's speaking from the heart.
In the same way, immigrants are stealing British workers' jobs despite employment rates being at all time highs.
Her Maj theoretically can refuse to sign legislation. it's technically a veto.
Does anyone seriously imagine she'd use it ? The list time a monarch did this was 1708. If you haven't used your veto for 3 centuries it's meaningless. A nice thing to decorate the mantle piece but not much use.
The current Prime Minister has used a power of veto at EU level. So your analogy is simply absurd.
Leavers need to stop speaking from their hearts and reconnect with the real world.
It's not absurd at all. Our PM is on the record as saying he wants Turkey in the EU. Politically of course that's dynamite. So I would expect him to say nice things about Turks for trade reasons and let others do the dirty work.
I suspect that's more real world than expecting Cameron to vote on his principles.
The risk with Turkey is not so much them joining the EU (which probably would not require a veto as there is likely to be a majority against) but that their citizens are given the sort of freedom of movement through the EU that they are already being offered with Schengen.
At the moment Turkey have the EU by the short and curlies and are showing considerable enthusiasm for having a tug.
What sort of freedom of movement worries you. Turks with a passport have always been able to visit the UK without a visa. Is anything changing?
If we assume a Remain vote, I think we'll see quite a surge of investment for a while - people have been holding off pending clarification. So a recession by 2017 seems unlikely with Remain (though likely with Leave, as its supporters tacitly concede, feeling that it'll be worth it in the end). The underlying stats of the economy are pretty awful though (I like Corbyn's line that the important thing about Osborne's 5-year plans is that success is always 5 years away) so a recession by 2019 looks quite plausible with Remain, as the expected short-term bump unwinds.
I'm losing track, are Leavers claiming that Britain doesn't have a veto because, despite the plain words, Britain would never exercise a veto (though it has and recently)? Or is their claim that it doesn't have a veto because no one who would ever get to hold the office of Prime Minister would ever in practice oppose Turkey's membership because David Cameron has previously supported it as a long term goal?
Mr. L, indeed. The Turks won't join the EU in the near future, but they're getting more free access anyway.
Mr. W, don't bet much on tennis these days. Is that Thiem for the title you've bet on?
They are getting visa free access to Schengen (including non-EU Schengen) but not the UK. We have not proposed any changes.
I think talk of veto's and being out voted in Europe fails to understand how European politics works. Our Judicial system and Westminster Parliament are runs as competing advocacies with one triumphing over the other. Continental politics - and increasingly our devolved legislatures- work in a more collaborative way. The vote is only taken after the consensus has been thrashed out.
We could veto Turkey, but bearing in mind that Turkey has had application status for 50 years and its recent restraints on freedom are moving in the opposite direction to membership, it is not going to happen.
Off topic, rather amusing assessment on Cricinfo on whether England were still very good or Sri Lank just that bad. Poor Audley Harrison comes across very poorly as a metaphor for facing deadbeat opponents.
If memory serves, Harrison was once taken to 10 rounds by a sack of potatoes on which someone had drawn a face. One of the judges had it as the winner
Mr. L, indeed. The Turks won't join the EU in the near future, but they're getting more free access anyway.
Mr. W, don't bet much on tennis these days. Is that Thiem for the title you've bet on?
Indeed. The EU bends and sways as it sees fit. Turkey has already a number of offers on the table including free movement as a result of constantly threatening to open the floodgates . This is before we get near any veto situation.
Fortunately that nice Mrs Merkel is negotiating this on our behalf being the leader of Europe n'all . To get herself and the EU out of the hole she dug for Europe we are being forced into accepting quotas dictated by her and the EU from war torn hell holes like err........ Northern France.
Shame she sent the open invitation in the first place really. Oh well, at least she asked us before making that monumental decision on our behalf ....
Previous recent posters had separately mentioned lying in the campaign and Penny Mordaunt, so the opportunity to yoke the two themes together seemed too good to miss.
In fairness she might just be ignorant. There is a lot of it about on both sides.
she may also be correct. The veto is only a veto if you are prepared to use it. HMG wouldn't, they'd hide behind the Greeks or Austrians.
She can't be 'correct'. The UK does have a veto
Truthiness is more important than facts, Roger.
It feels right that Britain doesn't have a veto, so Leavers can assert that it doesn't. It isn't lying, it's speaking from the heart.
In the same way, immigrants are stealing British workers' jobs despite employment rates being at all time highs.
Her Maj theoretically can refuse to sign legislation. it's technically a veto.
Does anyone seriously imagine she'd use it ? The list time a monarch did this was 1708. If you haven't used your veto for 3 centuries it's meaningless. A nice thing to decorate the mantle piece but not much use.
The current Prime Minister has used a power of veto at EU level. So your analogy is simply absurd.
Leavers need to stop speaking from their hearts and reconnect with the real world.
I'm losing track, are Leavers claiming that Britain doesn't have a veto because, despite the plain words, Britain would never exercise a veto (though it has and recently)? Or is their claim that it doesn't have a veto because no one who would ever get to hold the office of Prime Minister would ever in practice oppose Turkey's membership because David Cameron has previously supported it as a long term goal?
If we assume a Remain vote, I think we'll see quite a surge of investment for a while - people have been holding off pending clarification. So a recession by 2017 seems unlikely with Remain (though likely with Leave, as its supporters tacitly concede, feeling that it'll be worth it in the end). The underlying stats of the economy are pretty awful though (I like Corbyn's line that the important thing about Osborne's 5-year plans is that success is always 5 years away) so a recession by 2019 looks quite plausible with Remain, as the expected short-term bump unwinds.
A recession in 2019 would reduce Corbyn's chances in 2020 from slight to zero. I'd be very surprised if anyone would choose Corbyn to lead us out of recession
Or is their claim that it doesn't have a veto because no one who would ever get to hold the office of Prime Minister would ever in practice oppose Turkey's membership because David Cameron has previously supported it as a long term goal?
Leaver logic gets steadily more elusive.
Boris Johnson has previously supported Turkey's membership.
''Leavers need to stop speaking from their hearts and reconnect with the real world.''
Or - 'Leavers need to stop thinking for themselves and starting doing as they are told'
No, paying attention to the most basic of facts will do.
There is a Leave case to be made, but not based on hysterical untruths.
Well, it is remain's claims that are being widely satirised for hysterical untruths, not Leave's. So I don;t think Leave need to take any lectures there.
I'm losing track, are Leavers claiming that Britain doesn't have a veto because, despite the plain words, Britain would never exercise a veto (though it has and recently)? Or is their claim that it doesn't have a veto because no one who would ever get to hold the office of Prime Minister would ever in practice oppose Turkey's membership because David Cameron has previously supported it as a long term goal?
Leaver logic gets steadily more elusive.
The veto is utterly worthless if you hand it to someone who will not use it. It's like Corbyn's unarmed nuclear submarines or police marksmen who aren't allowed to use their guns.
A recession in 2019 would reduce Corbyn's chances in 2020 from slight to zero. I'd be very surprised if anyone would choose Corbyn to lead us out of recession
''Leavers need to stop speaking from their hearts and reconnect with the real world.''
Or - 'Leavers need to stop thinking for themselves and starting doing as they are told'
No, paying attention to the most basic of facts will do.
There is a Leave case to be made, but not based on hysterical untruths.
"Hysterical untruths"
This from people that in event of Brexit threaten WW3 and nuclear Armageddon will start on Tuesday week but the real bad news is your pint of milk will be a penny dearer on Monday.
''Leavers need to stop speaking from their hearts and reconnect with the real world.''
Or - 'Leavers need to stop thinking for themselves and starting doing as they are told'
No, paying attention to the most basic of facts will do.
There is a Leave case to be made, but not based on hysterical untruths.
"Hysterical untruths"
This from people that in event of Brexit threaten WW3 and nuclear Armageddon will start on Tuesday week but the real bad news is your pint of milk will be a penny dearer on Monday.
Direct quotes required from Remain campaigners for each of those claims. I think you'll struggle to find them.
I'm losing track, are Leavers claiming that Britain doesn't have a veto because, despite the plain words, Britain would never exercise a veto (though it has and recently)? Or is their claim that it doesn't have a veto because no one who would ever get to hold the office of Prime Minister would ever in practice oppose Turkey's membership because David Cameron has previously supported it as a long term goal?
During yesterday's cricket lunch break there was a feature on West Indies Cricket.
The grassroots is in a terrible state because successive controlling boards have plundered the cookie jar. Some leading lights want a dedicated, ring fenced fund set up that the board cannot touch.
I would far rather my tax pounds went to that fund than to the EU.
I want to be able to vote to control those pounds again. Not most of them, all of them.
''Leavers need to stop speaking from their hearts and reconnect with the real world.''
Or - 'Leavers need to stop thinking for themselves and starting doing as they are told'
No, paying attention to the most basic of facts will do.
There is a Leave case to be made, but not based on hysterical untruths.
LOL
can you explain why you thinks it's ok for Remain to campaign on hysterical untruths ?
Do point me in the direction of somewhere where I have suggested that.
Though there are few examples of an untruth from Remain as direct as the one being peddled by Penny Mordaunt this morning.
In this instance I'd say being complicit is just the same as being explicit.
I'm disappointed in you Field Marshal, I've given you a thread that is an opportunity to have a go at George Osborne and you've declined to do so.
You should know I take the Nat approach.
I never comment on the thread itself but clog up all the other ones.
In any case there will be a downturn. George has already given us manufacturers two recessions maybe he'll go for the hat trick.
I return to work tomorrow and can't say I'm looking forward to it, all my customers are currently spouting doom and gloom and it's got nothing to do with the EUref since they're all domestically based.
I'm losing track, are Leavers claiming that Britain doesn't have a veto because, despite the plain words, Britain would never exercise a veto (though it has and recently)? Or is their claim that it doesn't have a veto because no one who would ever get to hold the office of Prime Minister would ever in practice oppose Turkey's membership because David Cameron has previously supported it as a long term goal?
''Leavers need to stop speaking from their hearts and reconnect with the real world.''
Or - 'Leavers need to stop thinking for themselves and starting doing as they are told'
No, paying attention to the most basic of facts will do.
There is a Leave case to be made, but not based on hysterical untruths.
"Hysterical untruths"
This from people that in event of Brexit threaten WW3 and nuclear Armageddon will start on Tuesday week but the real bad news is your pint of milk will be a penny dearer on Monday.
Direct quotes required from Remain campaigners for each of those claims. I think you'll struggle to find them.
Happy to accept your personal guarantee that any war in Europe would not escalate and end up nuclear of course. The last two away games ended up as World Wars of course.
EDIT- milk I suppose would not be affected by these issues
Stuff like this really doesn't help - Tory whips have told Brexit MPs that they shouldn't campaign, even in their own constituencies, if they want any hope of promotion.
My respect for Priti is growing - she's not taking any crap.
Stuff like this really doesn't help - Tory whips have told Brexit MPs that they shouldn't campaign, even in their own constituencies, if they want any hope of promotion.
My respect for Priti is growing - she's not taking any crap.
''Leavers need to stop speaking from their hearts and reconnect with the real world.''
Or - 'Leavers need to stop thinking for themselves and starting doing as they are told'
No, paying attention to the most basic of facts will do.
There is a Leave case to be made, but not based on hysterical untruths.
"Hysterical untruths"
This from people that in event of Brexit threaten WW3 and nuclear Armageddon will start on Tuesday week but the real bad news is your pint of milk will be a penny dearer on Monday.
Direct quotes required from Remain campaigners for each of those claims. I think you'll struggle to find them.
''Leavers need to stop speaking from their hearts and reconnect with the real world.''
Or - 'Leavers need to stop thinking for themselves and starting doing as they are told'
No, paying attention to the most basic of facts will do.
There is a Leave case to be made, but not based on hysterical untruths.
"Hysterical untruths"
This from people that in event of Brexit threaten WW3 and nuclear Armageddon will start on Tuesday week but the real bad news is your pint of milk will be a penny dearer on Monday.
Direct quotes required from Remain campaigners for each of those claims. I think you'll struggle to find them.
Happy to accept your personal guarantee that any war in Europe would not escalate and end up nuclear of course. The last two away games ended up as World Wars of course.
Direct quotes mentioning World War 3 and nuclear Armageddon - none.
More Leaver truthiness: they invent a myth then parade it as fact.
I'm losing track, are Leavers claiming that Britain doesn't have a veto because, despite the plain words, Britain would never exercise a veto (though it has and recently)? Or is their claim that it doesn't have a veto because no one who would ever get to hold the office of Prime Minister would ever in practice oppose Turkey's membership because David Cameron has previously supported it as a long term goal?
Leaver logic gets steadily more elusive.
The veto is utterly worthless if you hand it to someone who will not use it. It's like Corbyn's unarmed nuclear submarines or police marksmen who aren't allowed to use their guns.
A bizarre comment even from someone who spends their time reinterpreting opinion polls.
''Leavers need to stop speaking from their hearts and reconnect with the real world.''
Or - 'Leavers need to stop thinking for themselves and starting doing as they are told'
No, paying attention to the most basic of facts will do.
There is a Leave case to be made, but not based on hysterical untruths.
"Hysterical untruths"
This from people that in event of Brexit threaten WW3 and nuclear Armageddon will start on Tuesday week but the real bad news is your pint of milk will be a penny dearer on Monday.
Direct quotes required from Remain campaigners for each of those claims. I think you'll struggle to find them.
Happy to accept your personal guarantee that any war in Europe would not escalate and end up nuclear of course. The last two away games ended up as World Wars of course.
Direct quotes mentioning World War 3 and nuclear Armageddon - none.
More Leaver truthiness: they invent a myth then parade it as fact.
Dancing on a pin Alistair as well as not addressing the "threats" made.
''Leavers need to stop speaking from their hearts and reconnect with the real world.''
Or - 'Leavers need to stop thinking for themselves and starting doing as they are told'
No, paying attention to the most basic of facts will do.
There is a Leave case to be made, but not based on hysterical untruths.
"Hysterical untruths"
This from people that in event of Brexit threaten WW3 and nuclear Armageddon will start on Tuesday week but the real bad news is your pint of milk will be a penny dearer on Monday.
Direct quotes required from Remain campaigners for each of those claims. I think you'll struggle to find them.
''Leavers need to stop speaking from their hearts and reconnect with the real world.''
Or - 'Leavers need to stop thinking for themselves and starting doing as they are told'
No, paying attention to the most basic of facts will do.
There is a Leave case to be made, but not based on hysterical untruths.
"Hysterical untruths"
This from people that in event of Brexit threaten WW3 and nuclear Armageddon will start on Tuesday week but the real bad news is your pint of milk will be a penny dearer on Monday.
Direct quotes required from Remain campaigners for each of those claims. I think you'll struggle to find them.
Stuff like this really doesn't help - Tory whips have told Brexit MPs that they shouldn't campaign, even in their own constituencies, if they want any hope of promotion.
My respect for Priti is growing - she's not taking any crap.
Brexiteers say they are prepared to block Cameron, whose effective Commons majority is just 17, from passing legislation after the referendum unless he promotes key Brexiteers. “People will go on strike,” one said.
In return, Tory whips have told MPs backing Brexit that they would be well advised not to actively campaign, even in their own constituencies, if they have any hope of promotion. “People are still being threatened and bullied,” one MP said.
''Leavers need to stop speaking from their hearts and reconnect with the real world.''
Or - 'Leavers need to stop thinking for themselves and starting doing as they are told'
No, paying attention to the most basic of facts will do.
There is a Leave case to be made, but not based on hysterical untruths.
"Hysterical untruths"
This from people that in event of Brexit threaten WW3 and nuclear Armageddon will start on Tuesday week but the real bad news is your pint of milk will be a penny dearer on Monday.
Direct quotes required from Remain campaigners for each of those claims. I think you'll struggle to find them.
Happy to accept your personal guarantee that any war in Europe would not escalate and end up nuclear of course. The last two away games ended up as World Wars of course.
Direct quotes mentioning World War 3 and nuclear Armageddon - none.
More Leaver truthiness: they invent a myth then parade it as fact.
Dancing on a pin Alistair as well as not addressing the "threats" made.
You also didn't provide me a guarantee.
The Prime Minister's actual words about the risk of Brexit on this front seem an entirely reasonable (though certainly opposable) view of what might happen. It is no secret that Russia is very hopeful for Brexit so that it can play divide and rule more effectively.
It is not dancing on a pin to ask for direct quotes, especially when your original claims for what was actually said were so quickly exposed as untrue.
@RobDotHutton: Increasing evidence that prime minister LIED to #Peston about origins of "POSH". Hard to see how he keeps his job. https://t.co/GzefBvxrel
HELP please ! Windows 10 has managed to infect itself onto my pc without my asking it to do so. Now I get script errors all over the place, unchecked the usual stuff on Internet options but it makes no difference. Do I just have to accept that IE is crap and switch to chrome, or is there a fix>?
TA
It would be easier to download W10, both in the short and long run. Unless,of course, you run a Mac, then you really are f*cked.
I initially recommended to update from W8 but not from W7, now I'm thinking that even W8 is better than 10. It is that dire. Macs have never sold better as people are getting totally fed up with MS pulling tricks like they just did with Mr @SquareRoot.
Not only have I script errors but now crackle on my speakers.. (no solutions offered by a quick google work) I am seriously pissed of with Microsoft, they tell you nothing will change, then they feck your pc up and you have to pay someone loads to sort it out.. its disgraceful.
Did you see my note below about how to undo the W10 'upgrade'? Send me a PM if you want a hand.
Also when you've got W7 or 8 back working, download a program called "GWX Control Panel" which stops the auto W10 updates from happening. http://blog.ultimateoutsider.com/2015/08/using-gwx-stopper-to-permanently-remove.html This last point goes for anyone who's fed up of W10 notifications and wants to stick with the operating system they have already.
I used to get regular calls from people, often with Indian accents, offering to sort out Microsoft problems.
Don't EVER speak to or engage with any of these guys. They are scam artists who will use legitimate remote support tools to install a virus on your computer, encrypt all your files and charge you a ransom ($250 range) to get them back. This is a serious problem. NEVER speak to them*
* Unless of course you're an IT guy who likes baiting them and wasting their time, thinks it funny to have them try and talk you through clearing IE files on a Linux box,, a locked down VM or a Mac, rather than bribing their granny for her photos.
''Leavers need to stop speaking from their hearts and reconnect with the real world.''
Or - 'Leavers need to stop thinking for themselves and starting doing as they are told'
No, paying attention to the most basic of facts will do.
There is a Leave case to be made, but not based on hysterical untruths.
"Hysterical untruths"
This from people that in event of Brexit threaten WW3 and nuclear Armageddon will start on Tuesday week but the real bad news is your pint of milk will be a penny dearer on Monday.
Direct quotes required from Remain campaigners for each of those claims. I think you'll struggle to find them.
Happy to accept your personal guarantee that any war in Europe would not escalate and end up nuclear of course. The last two away games ended up as World Wars of course.
Direct quotes mentioning World War 3 and nuclear Armageddon - none.
More Leaver truthiness: they invent a myth then parade it as fact.
Dancing on a pin Alistair as well as not addressing the "threats" made.
You also didn't provide me a guarantee.
As ever it will be legalistic spin.
You make the slur with a could, might, maybe rather than a will, is or shall. It;s deniable but the result is the same as most people don't walk around with a lawyer for legal interpretation.
''Leavers need to stop speaking from their hearts and reconnect with the real world.''
Or - 'Leavers need to stop thinking for themselves and starting doing as they are told'
No, paying attention to the most basic of facts will do.
There is a Leave case to be made, but not based on hysterical untruths.
"Hysterical untruths"
This from people that in event of Brexit threaten WW3 and nuclear Armageddon will start on Tuesday week but the real bad news is your pint of milk will be a penny dearer on Monday.
Direct quotes required from Remain campaigners for each of those claims. I think you'll struggle to find them.
Happy to accept your personal guarantee that any war in Europe would not escalate and end up nuclear of course. The last two away games ended up as World Wars of course.
Direct quotes mentioning World War 3 and nuclear Armageddon - none.
More Leaver truthiness: they invent a myth then parade it as fact.
Dancing on a pin Alistair as well as not addressing the "threats" made.
You also didn't provide me a guarantee.
The Prime Minister's actual words about the risk of Brexit on this front seem an entirely reasonable (though certainly opposable) view of what might happen. It is no secret that Russia is very hopeful for Brexit so that it can play divide and rule more effectively.
It is not dancing on a pin to ask for direct quotes, especially when your original claims for what was actually said were so quickly exposed as untrue.
Yet more scaremongering from Meeks. Brexit will NOT mean that we become a Republic of the Russian Federation. Or even a State of the USA, for that matter.
Stuff like this really doesn't help - Tory whips have told Brexit MPs that they shouldn't campaign, even in their own constituencies, if they want any hope of promotion.
My respect for Priti is growing - she's not taking any crap.
Mr. Eagles, isn't that neglecting Osborne asking MPs yet to decide their position on the referendum whether they were for Leave, or whether they wanted a career?
Stuff like this really doesn't help - Tory whips have told Brexit MPs that they shouldn't campaign, even in their own constituencies, if they want any hope of promotion.
My respect for Priti is growing - she's not taking any crap.
Brexiteers say they are prepared to block Cameron, whose effective Commons majority is just 17, from passing legislation after the referendum unless he promotes key Brexiteers. “People will go on strike,” one said.
In return, Tory whips have told MPs backing Brexit that they would be well advised not to actively campaign, even in their own constituencies, if they have any hope of promotion. “People are still being threatened and bullied,” one MP said.
Mr. Meeks, or Leavers are different people with different opinions rather than a homogeneous cult with a single view of everything.
Exactly Morris. Leavers come in various shapes and sizes. Living, as I now do in the up and coming borough of Hackney, has given me a new slant on Leavers. In the polyglot population of the borough you would think that Remain has it hands down over Leave. However having spoken to many over the last few weeks I have come to conclusion that there are many SHY Leavers around and that the referendum may not be what JackW and Cammo desires.
Mr. Eagles, isn't that neglecting Osborne asking MPs yet to decide their position on the referendum whether they were for Leave, or whether they wanted a career?
As even one Leaver admitted at the time, it was a joke by Osborne.
But most Leavers are happy to promulgate an inaccurate myth to help them win.
''Leavers need to stop speaking from their hearts and reconnect with the real world.''
Or - 'Leavers need to stop thinking for themselves and starting doing as they are told'
No, paying attention to the most basic of facts will do.
There is a Leave case to be made, but not based on hysterical untruths.
"Hysterical untruths"
This from people that in event of Brexit threaten WW3 and nuclear Armageddon will start on Tuesday week but the real bad news is your pint of milk will be a penny dearer on Monday.
Direct quotes required from Remain campaigners for each of those claims. I think you'll struggle to find them.
Happy to accept your personal guarantee that any war in Europe would not escalate and end up nuclear of course. The last two away games ended up as World Wars of course.
Direct quotes mentioning World War 3 and nuclear Armageddon - none.
More Leaver truthiness: they invent a myth then parade it as fact.
Dancing on a pin Alistair as well as not addressing the "threats" made.
You also didn't provide me a guarantee.
As ever it will be legalistic spin.
You make the slur with a could, might, maybe rather than a will, is or shall. It;s deniable but the result is the same as most people don't walk around with a lawyer for legal interpretation.
Is there arguably an increased risk of war in Europe after Brexit? Given we've seen Russian aggression in Georgia and Ukraine in the last ten years, it is a fair question to ask. It isn't as though Russia's geopolitical ambitions in the area have been fully satiated.
If Leavers don't want to bother with this, that's their choice. They are far away countries of which they wish to know little. But others may reasonably feel differently.
Stuff like this really doesn't help - Tory whips have told Brexit MPs that they shouldn't campaign, even in their own constituencies, if they want any hope of promotion.
My respect for Priti is growing - she's not taking any crap.
Brexiteers say they are prepared to block Cameron, whose effective Commons majority is just 17, from passing legislation after the referendum unless he promotes key Brexiteers. “People will go on strike,” one said.
In return, Tory whips have told MPs backing Brexit that they would be well advised not to actively campaign, even in their own constituencies, if they have any hope of promotion. “People are still being threatened and bullied,” one MP said.
all one big happy family.
Yup, in the event of a Remain victory, Dave should appoint me as Deputy Chairman of the Tory Party in charge of post referendum unity.
''Leavers need to stop speaking from their hearts and reconnect with the real world.''
Or - 'Leavers need to stop thinking for themselves and starting doing as they are told'
No, paying attention to the most basic of facts will do.
There is a Leave case to be made, but not based on hysterical untruths.
"Hysterical untruths"
This from people that in event of Brexit threaten WW3 and nuclear Armageddon will start on Tuesday week but the real bad news is your pint of milk will be a penny dearer on Monday.
Direct quotes required from Remain campaigners for each of those claims. I think you'll struggle to find them.
Happy to accept your personal guarantee that any war in Europe would not escalate and end up nuclear of course. The last two away games ended up as World Wars of course.
Direct quotes mentioning World War 3 and nuclear Armageddon - none.
More Leaver truthiness: they invent a myth then parade it as fact.
Dancing on a pin Alistair as well as not addressing the "threats" made.
You also didn't provide me a guarantee.
As ever it will be legalistic spin.
You make the slur with a could, might, maybe rather than a will, is or shall. It;s deniable but the result is the same as most people don't walk around with a lawyer for legal interpretation.
Is there arguably an increased risk of war in Europe after Brexit? Given we've seen Russian aggression in Georgia and Ukraine in the last ten years, it is a fair question to ask. It isn't as though Russia's geopolitical ambitions in the area have been fully satiated.
If Leavers don't want to bother with this, that's their choice. They are far away countries of which they wish to know little. But others may reasonably feel differently.
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I had a nibble at Dominic Thiem last weekend and he's run into excellent clay form winning the Nice Open yesterday. Any other PBers in the market?
If we were to list all the incidents of MPs lying, stretching the truth or deliberately misleading us PB would need a new server.
1) Monster leading leavers (especially Boris who is most dangerous) as Charlatans
2) Propagandise a narrative that Remain are inevatibly going to win so leavers might as well not bother to vote or better still vote remain so you don't become an outcast
At the moment Turkey have the EU by the short and curlies and are showing considerable enthusiasm for having a tug.
It feels right that Britain doesn't have a veto, so Leavers can assert that it doesn't. It isn't lying, it's speaking from the heart.
In the same way, immigrants are stealing British workers' jobs despite employment rates being at all time highs.
And is there much foreign competition in the law business?
Mr. W, don't bet much on tennis these days. Is that Thiem for the title you've bet on?
Does anyone seriously imagine she'd use it ? The list time a monarch did this was 1708. If you haven't used your veto for 3 centuries it's meaningless. A nice thing to decorate the mantle piece but not much use.
Assuming the veto still exists I suspect were a government to try and abolish the representation of the people act and keep themselves in power indefinitely then I suspect the cobwebs might get dusted off.
Leavers need to stop speaking from their hearts and reconnect with the real world.
After all, it isn't really the UK that has a veto, it's the government of the day as we saw last time Labour were in and irreversibly ceding rebates and opt-outs.
What is the Elusive Corbyn's view? What is Farron's view and Sturgeon's?
All of these could conceivably end up in government.
I suspect that's more real world than expecting Cameron to vote on his principles.
Tennis is by far my biggest sporting outlet. Main ATP and Grand Slam only.
Or - 'Leavers need to stop thinking for themselves and starting doing as they are told'
Reckon Sharapova will end up playing again?
Leaver logic gets steadily more elusive.
I think talk of veto's and being out voted in Europe fails to understand how European politics works. Our Judicial system and Westminster Parliament are runs as competing advocacies with one triumphing over the other. Continental politics - and increasingly our devolved legislatures- work in a more collaborative way. The vote is only taken after the consensus has been thrashed out.
We could veto Turkey, but bearing in mind that Turkey has had application status for 50 years and its recent restraints on freedom are moving in the opposite direction to membership, it is not going to happen.
There is a Leave case to be made, but not based on hysterical untruths.
If memory serves, Harrison was once taken to 10 rounds by a sack of potatoes on which someone had drawn a face. One of the judges had it as the winner
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-sri-lanka-2016/content/story/1018045.html
Fortunately that nice Mrs Merkel is negotiating this on our behalf being the leader of Europe n'all . To get herself and the EU out of the hole she dug for Europe we are being forced into accepting quotas dictated by her and the EU from war torn hell holes like err........ Northern France.
Shame she sent the open invitation in the first place really. Oh well, at least she asked us before making that monumental decision on our behalf ....
Oh wait?
can you explain why you thinks it's ok for Remain to campaign on hysterical untruths ?
Oops.
Though there are few examples of an untruth from Remain as direct as the one being peddled by Penny Mordaunt this morning.
I thought you were meant to be posting to put them in a good light ?
Again!
This from people that in event of Brexit threaten WW3 and nuclear Armageddon will start on Tuesday week but the real bad news is your pint of milk will be a penny dearer on Monday.
Again!
The grassroots is in a terrible state because successive controlling boards have plundered the cookie jar. Some leading lights want a dedicated, ring fenced fund set up that the board cannot touch.
I would far rather my tax pounds went to that fund than to the EU.
I want to be able to vote to control those pounds again. Not most of them, all of them.
I never comment on the thread itself but clog up all the other ones.
In any case there will be a downturn. George has already given us manufacturers two recessions maybe he'll go for the hat trick.
I return to work tomorrow and can't say I'm looking forward to it, all my customers are currently spouting doom and gloom and it's got nothing to do with the EUref since they're all domestically based.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3602673/Prices-soar-quit-EU-say-high-street-bosses-grim-warning-lost-jobs-plunging-pound-catastrophe-UK-votes-Out.html
Happy to accept your personal guarantee that any war in Europe would not escalate and end up nuclear of course. The last two away games ended up as World Wars of course.
EDIT- milk I suppose would not be affected by these issues
My respect for Priti is growing - she's not taking any crap.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/focus/minister-accuses-hysterical-pm-of-brexit-abuse-zj0wbg0sz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoASZyihalc
More Leaver truthiness: they invent a myth then parade it as fact.
At last a leader she can get behind!
Even as she talks it ....
You also didn't provide me a guarantee.
Brexiteers say they are prepared to block Cameron, whose effective Commons majority is just 17, from passing legislation after the referendum unless he promotes key Brexiteers. “People will go on strike,” one said.
In return, Tory whips have told MPs backing Brexit that they would be well advised not to actively campaign, even in their own constituencies, if they have any hope of promotion. “People are still being threatened and bullied,” one MP said.
It is not dancing on a pin to ask for direct quotes, especially when your original claims for what was actually said were so quickly exposed as untrue.
* Unless of course you're an IT guy who likes baiting them and wasting their time, thinks it funny to have them try and talk you through clearing IE files on a Linux box,, a locked down VM or a Mac, rather than bribing their granny for her photos.
You make the slur with a could, might, maybe rather than a will, is or shall. It;s deniable but the result is the same as most people don't walk around with a lawyer for legal interpretation.
Had a really good week in the Highlands.
But most Leavers are happy to promulgate an inaccurate myth to help them win.
If Leavers don't want to bother with this, that's their choice. They are far away countries of which they wish to know little. But others may reasonably feel differently.
'Like giving Captain Bligh his own fleet'