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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,325

    Wish we had some phone polls in that list.

    And well done for getting in a reference to AV, the finest voting system known to humanity.

    No, the Eurovision voting system is the best voting system evah!
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    murali_s said:

    Scott_P said:

    @GuardianAnushka: I'm told Labour leadership script for tonight if Sadiq Khan wins: Tories made this abt Corbyn & he won. Others will be vocal against that

    In reality, Khan's success is based on distancing himself from Corbyn.

    Just back from the polling station here in SW20 and have to report it being quite busy...
    Well surely good news for Zac if Wimbledon is busy! :P
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,259
    Scott_P said:

    @GuardianAnushka: I'm told Labour leadership script for tonight if Sadiq Khan wins: Tories made this abt Corbyn & he won. Others will be vocal against that

    Pass the popcorn.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    PREDICTIONS

    Sadiq Khan to win the Mayoralty 53-47%.

    SNP to LOSE one or two seats in the Scottish Parliament, but still just scrape over the majority line. Tories to come second, about 5 seats ahead of Labour.

    Labour to lose 4-5 seats in the Welsh Assembly, with Plaid Cymru second, and the Tories only just scraping 3rd ahead of UKIP.

    Labour to lose about 100 seats in the English local elections, but for this to be completely misinterpreted by the political-illiterates who don't understand mis-alinged electoral cycles. On the real measure that counts, the estimated national vote share, Labour to finish "only" 1-2% behind the Tories, roughly on a par with their performance at this stage in the last parliament.
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    It's odd how the online polls relating to the EU Referendum, showing a better outcome for LEAVE, are regularly ranked by the editorial staff and others as being distinctly second best compared with the equivalent telephone conducted polls. Yet when it comes to today's London Mayoral Election, I see the three online polls featured at the top of this thread are rated as being AOK ..... funny that!
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    @faisalislam · 2m2 minutes ago

    Japanese PM @AbeShinzo tells me "question of Brexit is for British people, but "Japan very clearly wants Britain to remain in the EU"

    If the EU is so wonderful, why don't the Japs apply for membership?!
    I'm sure there are a variety of reasons why not, but top of the list is that it is ineligible to join because it is not a European country.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,325

    @faisalislam · 2m2 minutes ago

    Japanese PM @AbeShinzo tells me "question of Brexit is for British people, but "Japan very clearly wants Britain to remain in the EU"

    If the EU is so wonderful, why don't the Japs apply for membership?!
    I'm sure there are a variety of reasons why not, but top of the list is that it is ineligible to join because it is not a European country.
    How about Turkey east of the Bosporus?
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    Wanderer said:

    Someone on the last thread, Casino_Royale I think, said that he'd had to go online to find details of the PCC candidates. Same here. In fact it took (by web search standards) some perseverance to find anything. If the candidates names had been subject to a super-injunction it would have been quicker to find them.

    I'm afraid turnout in those elections in going to be dreadful.

    On which note, I must go and vote.


    I was 32nd to vote in my polling station at 12.30pm.

    There was tumbleweed blowing through....
    Were you chewing tobacco at the time?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,308
    Possibly his inability to understand that in Scotland the SNP are "the powers that be".
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    What a way to go
    A grandfather making hooch in his bathroom collapsed into a scalding bath and died after inhaling fumes from his home brew.

    Ronald Matthews, 72, was making 60 per cent proof alcohol at his home in Rhoshirwaun on the Llyn Peninsula, Gwynedd, Wales, when he collapsed face-first into the bath.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3574947/Pensioner-brewing-60-hooch-bathroom-dies-drunk-fumes-collapsing-scalding-bath-heating-alcohol.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    @faisalislam · 2m2 minutes ago

    Japanese PM @AbeShinzo tells me "question of Brexit is for British people, but "Japan very clearly wants Britain to remain in the EU"

    If the EU is so wonderful, why don't the Japs apply for membership?!
    I'm sure there are a variety of reasons why not, but top of the list is that it is ineligible to join because it is not a European country.
    How about Turkey east of the Bosporus?
    To quote from the FOAK:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_criteria#Geographic_criteria

    "Countries' classification as European is "subject to political assessment"[4] by the Commission and more importantly—the European Council."
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    But, but, but… say desperate Corbynite ultras and assorted confused Welsh Nationalists, she is entitled to vote for different parties in different elections, for Labour at a UK level and Plaid Cymru in the devolved elections. Yes, of course she is. Like any of us she can do whatever she likes on that front. But when you are part of that band of wandering minstrels and jesters which has gone to all parts of the UK proclaiming that this clown Corbyn is the messiah, helping to wreck the Labour party in the process, the least you might do is vote for him on his big day, or if you don’t, at least have the sense to stay quiet about it.

    I’m sure we’ll return to this tomorrow after the polls have closed and the results are in, which must, surely, show a huge swing to Corbynite Labour. For 18 months they have been claiming to have mobilised millions of non-voters. Presumably those voters are even now flocking to the polls to vote Labour.

    Apart from Charlotte Church, who is voting for Plaid Cymru.
    http://capx.co/charlotte-church-the-singing-corbynite-is-not-even-voting-labour/
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,325

    @faisalislam · 2m2 minutes ago

    Japanese PM @AbeShinzo tells me "question of Brexit is for British people, but "Japan very clearly wants Britain to remain in the EU"

    If the EU is so wonderful, why don't the Japs apply for membership?!
    I'm sure there are a variety of reasons why not, but top of the list is that it is ineligible to join because it is not a European country.
    How about Turkey east of the Bosporus?
    To quote from the FOAK:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_criteria#Geographic_criteria

    "Countries' classification as European is "subject to political assessment"[4] by the Commission and more importantly—the European Council."
    Ah, so it's a purely "political" thing, not geographic.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,937
    edited May 2016
    There were polling stations open in Leamington this morning when I drove in to get my train. I have absolutely no idea why.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited May 2016
    Pollsters converge on a London result that is pretty much identical to the Con/Lab result in London at last year's general election. #playingitsafe
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481

    It's odd how the online polls relating to the EU Referendum, showing a better outcome for LEAVE, are regularly ranked by the editorial staff and others as being distinctly second best compared with the equivalent telephone conducted polls. Yet when it comes to today's London Mayoral Election, I see the three online polls featured at the top of this thread are rated as being AOK ..... funny that!

    There's been no phone polls conducted in the last week, and very few at all in this mayoral campaign at all. Given the events of the last week, that makes sense no?

    In fact there's been only one London Mayoral phone poll this year.

    Re the preference of phone polls over online polls in the EU referendum, some of us have been swayed by research by Matt Singh on why he thinks phone polls will be more accurate than online polls
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    There were polling stations open in Leamington this morning when I drove in to get my train. I have absolutely no idea why.

    PCC I think
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    Scott_P said:

    But, but, but… say desperate Corbynite ultras and assorted confused Welsh Nationalists, she is entitled to vote for different parties in different elections, for Labour at a UK level and Plaid Cymru in the devolved elections. Yes, of course she is. Like any of us she can do whatever she likes on that front. But when you are part of that band of wandering minstrels and jesters which has gone to all parts of the UK proclaiming that this clown Corbyn is the messiah, helping to wreck the Labour party in the process, the least you might do is vote for him on his big day, or if you don’t, at least have the sense to stay quiet about it.

    I’m sure we’ll return to this tomorrow after the polls have closed and the results are in, which must, surely, show a huge swing to Corbynite Labour. For 18 months they have been claiming to have mobilised millions of non-voters. Presumably those voters are even now flocking to the polls to vote Labour.

    Apart from Charlotte Church, who is voting for Plaid Cymru.
    http://capx.co/charlotte-church-the-singing-corbynite-is-not-even-voting-labour/

    Who the hell on God's earth cares a tinker's cuss who Charlotte Church is voting for?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
    DavidL said:

    Possibly his inability to understand that in Scotland the SNP are "the powers that be".
    Control of MI5 is a reserved power. That's the powers that be he's talking about
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,325

    There were polling stations open in Leamington this morning when I drove in to get my train. I have absolutely no idea why.

    PCC Election?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @lmkmcintosh: Next Scottish Parliament will be made up of 69 @theSNP 24 @ScotTories 21 @scottishlabour 9 @scotgp & 6 @scotlibdems MSPs our poll suggests

    This would mean the 8/1 on NOM is not a wise bet, but Shadsy is also offering 5/4 on Con most seats without SNP

    Also the SPIN spread on Con seats is just about attractive on those numbers
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    There were polling stations open in Leamington this morning when I drove in to get my train. I have absolutely no idea why.

    I think there are atleast one set of elections literally EVERYWHERE today.

    Leaving aside council elections, there are PCC elections everywhere except London, Scotland and Northern Ireland, and they all have their own devolved elections.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    @faisalislam · 2m2 minutes ago

    Japanese PM @AbeShinzo tells me "question of Brexit is for British people, but "Japan very clearly wants Britain to remain in the EU"

    If the EU is so wonderful, why don't the Japs apply for membership?!
    I'm sure there are a variety of reasons why not, but top of the list is that it is ineligible to join because it is not a European country.
    How about Turkey east of the Bosporus?
    To quote from the FOAK:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_criteria#Geographic_criteria

    "Countries' classification as European is "subject to political assessment"[4] by the Commission and more importantly—the European Council."
    Ah, so it's a purely "political" thing, not geographic.
    No, that's not right either.

    It's relatively easy to see that you might treat Turkey as a European country or not. Similarly, Georgia might be seen as either side of the line. As might Armenia. Or Azerbaijan. Culturally we might see some of these as European and some not. So in difficult cases, a political assessment is appropriate.

    On any definition, Japan is not a European state.

    From the link in the footnote on the relevant point:

    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/enlargement/briefings/23a2_en.htm

    "a) The European State
    The sole material condition laid down by Article O of the TEU is that the applicant must be a 'European State'. There is no unequivocal interpretation of that criterion. It can be read equally well in geographical, cultural or political terms.

    In 1987 an application to become a Member of the Communities was received from Morocco. The application was rejected by the Council on the grounds that Morocco was not a European State ( 7). In the case of Turkey, Article 28 of the Association Agreement signed in 1963 incudes the option of Turkey's eventually acceding to the Communities. Turkey in fact lodged an application to accede on 14 April 1987. Historically, Turkey has formed part of the so-called 'European concert'. Although part of Turkey's territory is located geographically in Asia, Parliament, the Council and the Commission have confirmed Turkey's eligibility ( 8). This example shows that the term 'European State' need not be interpreted in a strictly geographical sense. It is at all events a criterion subject to political assessment."
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,325


    On any definition, Japan is not a European state.

    Rubbish - they drive on the left like wot we do! :)
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    BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    Danny565 said:

    There were polling stations open in Leamington this morning when I drove in to get my train. I have absolutely no idea why.

    I think there are atleast one set of elections literally EVERYWHERE today.

    Leaving aside council elections, there are PCC elections everywhere except London, Scotland and Northern Ireland, and they all have their own devolved elections.
    Leamington would be the PCC for Warwickshire.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,047
    DavidL said:

    Possibly his inability to understand that in Scotland the SNP are "the powers that be".
    The greatest trick the SNP ever pulled was convincing people they weren't the establishment.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Wish we had some phone polls in that list.

    And well done for getting in a reference to AV, the finest voting system known to humanity.

    SV is just a really bad pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey kind of AV where you have to guess who'll be in the second round. I might do a thread on it one day.
    True, but if you're struggling to guess who's going to be in the second round in London, you're probably not the brightest crayon in the box.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,130
    Paranoia's a terrible thing. Still, at least he's not one of our elected representatives.

    https://twitter.com/Ruth_E_Davidson/status/596286509629763584
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,828
    I placed a bet! A real bet in a real Ladbrokes! None of this online s**t!

    It was strange. Nobody ate me and it did not smell. The bloke behind the screen was in a tidy t-shirt and talked me thru it. It only took five minutes and I now have a paper slip (SELECTION: Sadiq Khan (Lab), MARKET: Election Winner, ODDS: 1/14). It was for £100 but it doesn't matter if I lose because now I have placed a proper bet in a proper betting shop. Oh I am so grown up! I AM WEARING MY BIG BOY PANTS! OH YEAH!
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    BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    Jonathan said:
    Had a heart spasm at that you ...
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Jonathan said:
    The Tories were later revised up to 33%.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,308
    Scott_P said:

    @lmkmcintosh: Next Scottish Parliament will be made up of 69 @theSNP 24 @ScotTories 21 @scottishlabour 9 @scotgp & 6 @scotlibdems MSPs our poll suggests

    This would mean the 8/1 on NOM is not a wise bet, but Shadsy is also offering 5/4 on Con most seats without SNP

    Also the SPIN spread on Con seats is just about attractive on those numbers

    9 Scottish Greens would just be too depressing for words. This could surely only happen if a lot of SNP supporters split their vote to vote for a different independence party on the list. The SNP have been urging their supporters not to do that and for once I hope they listen.

    My guess is
    SNP 70
    Labour 25
    Tories 24
    Greens 5 (sigh)
    Lib Dems 4
    Indy 1
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,325

    Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.

    Anti-semite!
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    viewcode said:

    I placed a bet! A real bet in a real Ladbrokes! None of this online s**t!

    It was strange. Nobody ate me and it did not smell. The bloke behind the screen was in a tidy t-shirt and talked me thru it. It only took five minutes and I now have a paper slip (SELECTION: Sadiq Khan (Lab), MARKET: Election Winner, ODDS: 1/14). It was for £100 but it doesn't matter if I lose because now I have placed a proper bet in a proper betting shop. Oh I am so grown up! I AM WEARING MY BIG BOY PANTS! OH YEAH!

    Well done viewcode ...... don't spend your £7.14 winnings all at once.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.

    In which type of election?
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,130
    edited May 2016
    Tory acknowledges Scottish Tory leader has Zoomer tendencies. Cool.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    DavidL said:


    Labour 25
    Tories 24

    Enough with the faux-modesty :p
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,151
    I know it's only happening because all the relevant politicians are odious toe-rags but I like all the habit-of-a-lifetime-breaking going on in these elections.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited May 2016
    I really wish politicians in this day and age just said, yes i did, I like women, so what of it..

    http://order-order.com/2016/05/05/milf-fan-tory-claims-i-was-hacked/

    There was that Tory guy a while back when asked about this and drugs, went yeap, tried em, not anymore. Where as Kinnock Jnr was limbo dancing all over the place when asked and looked a chump.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,308

    DavidL said:

    Possibly his inability to understand that in Scotland the SNP are "the powers that be".
    The greatest trick the SNP ever pulled was convincing people they weren't the establishment.
    There have been the first hints in this campaign that it is sinking in and that they should be held accountable for the way they govern but it still seems a minority view. I agree, an incredible achievement after 9 years in government.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @ScottyNational: Vote: Most SNP supporters in 72 constituencies express delight at voting for someone they haven't heard of because of a big poster of Nicola
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,325
    This year's Mayoral race will be the first election that I will be skipping (since turning 18 in late 1993) since the 1999 Euros.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,308

    Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.

    Have a shower.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.

    In which type of election?
    PCC 2nd preference.
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    BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191

    Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.

    In which type of election?
    PCC 2nd preference.
    surely there was an independent. We got an independent. I hope he gets a few 2nd picks.
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    murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,040
    MaxPB said:

    murali_s said:

    Scott_P said:

    @GuardianAnushka: I'm told Labour leadership script for tonight if Sadiq Khan wins: Tories made this abt Corbyn & he won. Others will be vocal against that

    In reality, Khan's success is based on distancing himself from Corbyn.

    Just back from the polling station here in SW20 and have to report it being quite busy...
    Well surely good news for Zac if Wimbledon is busy! :P
    There was a Tory teller and LD teller - no Labour teller (maybe he/she was on lunch break!). Though not natural Labour territory, Merton and Wandsworth is still winnable surely?
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited May 2016

    PCC 2nd preference.

    LOL! Well, mighty oaks from little acorns grow...
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822

    Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.

    :astonished:
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    This is fascinating

    https://medium.com/@theobertram/they-didnt-win-bury-d603abe083b0#.x9c1has0c

    although perhaps mpre because of what is inferred about BBC editorial policy of the time
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,079
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36203613

    A sign of the changing times in the new THE university rankings: 'Asia has 17 universities in the top 100 - up from 10 in last year's rankings.'
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,130
    Scott_P said:

    @ScottyNational: Vote: Most SNP supporters in 72 constituencies express delight at voting for someone they haven't heard of because of a big poster of Nicola

    *projection*

    https://twitter.com/andrewpicken1/status/727126842713509888
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    Wish we had some phone polls in that list.

    And well done for getting in a reference to AV, the finest voting system known to humanity.

    SV is just a really bad pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey kind of AV where you have to guess who'll be in the second round. I might do a thread on it one day.
    True, but if you're struggling to guess who's going to be in the second round in London, you're probably not the brightest crayon in the box.
    Wasn't so obvious in 2000 though.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,828

    viewcode said:

    I placed a bet! A real bet in a real Ladbrokes! None of this online s**t!

    It was strange. Nobody ate me and it did not smell. The bloke behind the screen was in a tidy t-shirt and talked me thru it. It only took five minutes and I now have a paper slip (SELECTION: Sadiq Khan (Lab), MARKET: Election Winner, ODDS: 1/14). It was for £100 but it doesn't matter if I lose because now I have placed a proper bet in a proper betting shop. Oh I am so grown up! I AM WEARING MY BIG BOY PANTS! OH YEAH!

    Well done viewcode ...... don't spend your £7.14 winnings all at once.
    There is actually a rationale to my actions. I understand the option of online betting but because I travel a lot for work it is often difficult for me to get a secure connection (sometimes even a connection!), so online betting is not an attractive option. Physical betting in a physical betting shop is the obvious alternative but for all I know they are crammed with the cast of Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels" and Vinnie Jones will take my lunch money and make me cry. This is an a obviously irrational assumption (Jones lives in LA, duh) but no less held for that. So actually walking in was disconcerting. If I can get used to the actual physical experience ("desensitization" in the jargon) then betting on, say, UK-EU 2016 or POTUS 2016 becomes far less uncomfortable. I don't think this is viable for the more obscure stuff (would a bookie cover the German elections in 2017, for example?) but it's good to have alternatives.
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Danny565 said:

    PREDICTIONS

    Sadiq Khan to win the Mayoralty 53-47%.

    SNP to LOSE one or two seats in the Scottish Parliament, but still just scrape over the majority line. Tories to come second, about 5 seats ahead of Labour.

    Labour to lose 4-5 seats in the Welsh Assembly, with Plaid Cymru second, and the Tories only just scraping 3rd ahead of UKIP.

    Labour to lose about 100 seats in the English local elections, but for this to be completely misinterpreted by the political-illiterates who don't understand mis-alinged electoral cycles. On the real measure that counts, the estimated national vote share, Labour to finish "only" 1-2% behind the Tories, roughly on a par with their performance at this stage in the last parliament.


    I think the difference is going to be a touch more than that. My understanding of secret hush hush information that cant be discussed, it is going to be very tricky in the shires for Labour, very tricky indeed.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.

    In which type of election?
    PCC 2nd preference.
    surely there was an independent. We got an independent. I hope he gets a few 2nd picks.
    No - Con / Lab / UKIP / Eng Dem / LD.

    LD and ED have no chance of making the second round so if the Conservatives don't (which frankly would be a dreadful result), then I was effectively faced with a choice of Lab or UKIP. The Labour candidate has done the job for four years and not done it terribly well but in a head-to-head between him and the UKIP candidate I had to go with the least-worst option. It shouldn't get counted anyway.
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    Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.

    :astonished:
    Me too! I never thought I'd live to see the day!
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.

    :astonished:
    Me too! I never thought I'd live to see the day!
    me too although ive only been voting for ten years- although in the booth i put my x on the tory zac by habit then crossed it out and put x on khan they said it will cont.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    When you have to use the Daily Mail as a defence of something or you are in the same company as them, it is time to reconsider your stance.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I started this campaign utterly unenthused by all the Mayoral candidates. I have to go later to cast a proxy vote but I still haven't decided what to do about my own vote.
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,013
    Methinks some are jealous of having a leader with better approval ratings than Jeremy Corbyn.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Scott_P said:

    This is fascinating

    https://medium.com/@theobertram/they-didnt-win-bury-d603abe083b0#.x9c1has0c

    although perhaps mpre because of what is inferred about BBC editorial policy of the time

    To be fair, the Tories failed to win a majority in 2010, so there was probably some truth in what was being said. Of course, the BBC always look for the silver linings for Labour.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    I started this campaign utterly unenthused by all the Mayoral candidates. I have to go later to cast a proxy vote but I still haven't decided what to do about my own vote.

    Are you betting on the outcome? If so, vote for yourself.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,130
    edited May 2016
    MaxPB said:


    When you have to use the Daily Mail as a defence of something or you are in the same company as them, it is time to reconsider your stance.

    You've kinda lost me there..
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    FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 3,899
    Just back from spoiling my first ever ballot - for West Midlands PCC. The candidates are all crap, and I don't want a PCC. I felt like a naughty schoolchild, not writing my X as expected, and I'm sure I looked guilty as I posted the slip.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    If those online figures prove accurate then presumably we should give more credence to online BREXIT polls.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited May 2016

    Just back from spoiling my first ever ballot - for West Midlands PCC. The candidates are all crap, and I don't want a PCC. I felt like a naughty schoolchild, not writing my X as expected, and I'm sure I looked guilty as I posted the slip.

    I really wish we could have the RON vote. In some elections, he could well prove to be rather a popular candidate.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    weejonnie said:

    If those online figures prove accurate then presumably we should give more credence to online BREXIT polls.

    I believe the online polls did best in London last time.
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    most voters don't show up in the middle of a run carrying three plastic bags to fill with wild garlic. i'm guessing not many voters will vote independent/scottish libertarian today either.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,394

    I started this campaign utterly unenthused by all the Mayoral candidates. I have to go later to cast a proxy vote but I still haven't decided what to do about my own vote.

    Isn't that pretty normal for you?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    MaxPB said:


    When you have to use the Daily Mail as a defence of something or you are in the same company as them, it is time to reconsider your stance.

    You've kinda lost me there..
    Someone posted the front page of an SNP supporting newspaper and called it ridiculous, which it was, and you posted the front page of the Daily Mail in return in a "look they do it too" kind of way. My point was that if you're in the same company as the Mail then you should think hard about whether your position is correct.
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    DeClareDeClare Posts: 483

    Danny565 said:

    There were polling stations open in Leamington this morning when I drove in to get my train. I have absolutely no idea why.

    I think there are atleast one set of elections literally EVERYWHERE today.

    Leaving aside council elections, there are PCC elections everywhere except London, Scotland and Northern Ireland, and they all have their own devolved elections.
    Leamington would be the PCC for Warwickshire.
    There are no PCC elections in Greater Manchester, because they will be having a directly elected mayor from next year and the plan is that their mayor will effectively also be their police commissioner as the London mayor is.
    However all of the Metropolitan boroughs of Greater Manchester are voting today. with 1/3 of the seats up for election, so there is some kind of election everywhere in the UK today.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,344

    Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.

    Corbyn sweeping the nation, see? :)

    Thanks for the kind comments earlier. Embarrassed to say it turned out to be no big deal - Eastman hospital (who are really, really good) extracted a tooth and three rotten roots, put in 6 implants, shaved off the gums and the only discomfort throughout the 2.5 hours was a mild crick in my neck. The anesthetic has worn off and it still feels fine.

    And I took the day off from work for that, what a wimp. Heading for my local Khan committee room in a bit.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    I started this campaign utterly unenthused by all the Mayoral candidates. I have to go later to cast a proxy vote but I still haven't decided what to do about my own vote.

    Isn't that pretty normal for you?
    Touché. But this feels like I've levelled up on my lack of enthusiasm.

    I think I'm going to vote for Sadiq Khan. But I may yet change my mind.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,314
    edited May 2016
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    I placed a bet! A real bet in a real Ladbrokes! None of this online s**t!

    It was strange. Nobody ate me and it did not smell. The bloke behind the screen was in a tidy t-shirt and talked me thru it. It only took five minutes and I now have a paper slip (SELECTION: Sadiq Khan (Lab), MARKET: Election Winner, ODDS: 1/14). It was for £100 but it doesn't matter if I lose because now I have placed a proper bet in a proper betting shop. Oh I am so grown up! I AM WEARING MY BIG BOY PANTS! OH YEAH!

    Well done viewcode ...... don't spend your £7.14 winnings all at once.
    There is actually a rationale to my actions. I understand the option of online betting but because I travel a lot for work it is often difficult for me to get a secure connection (sometimes even a connection!), so online betting is not an attractive option. Physical betting in a physical betting shop is the obvious alternative but for all I know they are crammed with the cast of Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels" and Vinnie Jones will take my lunch money and make me cry. This is an a obviously irrational assumption (Jones lives in LA, duh) but no less held for that. So actually walking in was disconcerting. If I can get used to the actual physical experience ("desensitization" in the jargon) then betting on, say, UK-EU 2016 or POTUS 2016 becomes far less uncomfortable. I don't think this is viable for the more obscure stuff (would a bookie cover the German elections in 2017, for example?) but it's good to have alternatives.
    I remember going into a betting shop many years ago and there was an ancient old boy sitting watching the racing. Turns out he was an ex-Cavalry officer and former amateur jump jockey, he looked about 100, and this was what kept him going each day.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @LadPolitics: Newt Gingrich just became favourite to be Trump's VP pick. Now 4/1 from 33/1.
    https://t.co/oNRFJR1N3J https://t.co/8Z3WQ0gB1H
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,047

    Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.

    Why???????????????????????
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    DeClare said:

    Danny565 said:

    There were polling stations open in Leamington this morning when I drove in to get my train. I have absolutely no idea why.

    I think there are atleast one set of elections literally EVERYWHERE today.

    Leaving aside council elections, there are PCC elections everywhere except London, Scotland and Northern Ireland, and they all have their own devolved elections.
    Leamington would be the PCC for Warwickshire.
    There are no PCC elections in Greater Manchester, because they will be having a directly elected mayor from next year and the plan is that their mayor will effectively also be their police commissioner as the London mayor is.
    However all of the Metropolitan boroughs of Greater Manchester are voting today. with 1/3 of the seats up for election, so there is some kind of election everywhere in the UK today.
    So that's 96/3 = 100% Labour win?
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Scott_P said:

    @LadPolitics: Newt Gingrich just became favourite to be Trump's VP pick. Now 4/1 from 33/1.
    https://t.co/oNRFJR1N3J https://t.co/8Z3WQ0gB1H

    Barking imo. Trump may as well pick Ted Cruz as Gingrich. Shadsy must be pulling our legs.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.

    Why???????????????????????
    See my 1.53 post and nested comments.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,047
    Just realised that the Greens are running constituency candidates this time. Last time they only focused on regional seats in Wales. I know there are plenty who think there will be some Green > Labour switching but what about the reverse?
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    edited May 2016
    Danny565 said:

    Jonathan said:
    The Tories were later revised up to 33%.
    At least they didn't show someone voting Labour at that time: http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/82786000/jpg/_82786443_bbca.jpg
    image
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.

    Corbyn sweeping the nation, see? :)

    Thanks for the kind comments earlier. Embarrassed to say it turned out to be no big deal - Eastman hospital (who are really, really good) extracted a tooth and three rotten roots, put in 6 implants, shaved off the gums and the only discomfort throughout the 2.5 hours was a mild crick in my neck. The anesthetic has worn off and it still feels fine.

    And I took the day off from work for that, what a wimp. Heading for my local Khan committee room in a bit.
    Poor form on your part allowing it on an election day!
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    Just back from spoiling my first ever ballot - for West Midlands PCC. The candidates are all crap, and I don't want a PCC. I felt like a naughty schoolchild, not writing my X as expected, and I'm sure I looked guilty as I posted the slip.

    Don't give the smugites even more excuse. If the candidates are crap then it's down to the public to do something about it. Politicians aren't a breed apart.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,130
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:


    When you have to use the Daily Mail as a defence of something or you are in the same company as them, it is time to reconsider your stance.

    You've kinda lost me there..
    Someone posted the front page of an SNP supporting newspaper and called it ridiculous, which it was, and you posted the front page of the Daily Mail in return in a "look they do it too" kind of way. My point was that if you're in the same company as the Mail then you should think hard about whether your position is correct.
    I think they're all pretty crap, including the Sun one which you somehow fail to mention. It's an attack on the hypocrisy of masturbatory Yoon Cameroons (more than over-represented here) who lapped up the Mail & Sun crap in May 2015 but suddenly come over all fastidious when discovering it exists elsewhere.

    Since you've become so discriminating about the company other people keep, I guess you draw the line at the Mail, Guido, Sun, Express etc.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,987
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Just voted. Fairly quiet, but a very nice day.
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    murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,040

    @faisalislam · 2m2 minutes ago

    Japanese PM @AbeShinzo tells me "question of Brexit is for British people, but "Japan very clearly wants Britain to remain in the EU"

    If the EU is so wonderful, why don't the Japs apply for membership?!
    I'm sure there are a variety of reasons why not, but top of the list is that it is ineligible to join because it is not a European country.
    LOL!
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36213580

    This guy is well dodgy....he has previously claimed he has a PhD (which is doesn't) and over stated his academic position at a university.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    Scott_P said:

    @LadPolitics: Newt Gingrich just became favourite to be Trump's VP pick. Now 4/1 from 33/1.
    https://t.co/oNRFJR1N3J https://t.co/8Z3WQ0gB1H

    Barking imo. Trump may as well pick Ted Cruz as Gingrich. Shadsy must be pulling our legs.
    Gingrich has been batting for Trump since early on. 33/1 was outstanding value. Not sure that 4/1 is but it won't be far off. Newt ticks various boxes for Trump without hitting too many of his assets: he's an insider without being (too) establishment, he knows the system but was proto-Tea Party with his 'Contract With America', he's Southern against New Yorker Trump.

    But he's also an angry old man, which doubles down on that aspect without appealing beyond it.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481

    Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.

    Why???????????????????????
    See my 1.53 post and nested comments.
    I voted Labour in 2003, in a local council election.

    The Tory candidate was a bell end, think Brian Coleman without the charm and personality, even his own family didn't vote for him.

    Plus it seemed the best way to get rid of IDS.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    :smiley:

    MSNBC Chris Matthews caught on microphone admiring Donald J. Trump's wife: "My God is that good." https://t.co/yz0oFUoXeU https://t.co/Rfn4WTSjOX
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