Unite have published a dossier on Tory racism, some of it is real barrel scraping
In January 2011, Baroness Warsi gave a speech about rising Islamophobia. Tory Lord Tebbit wrote a blog dismissing her case and saying “a period of silence from the Baroness might not come amiss.
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I've come home with an electric kettle, it's a Bosch design made in China, thus does the EU bow to Beijing.
You know if we vote for brexit, one will never be able to buy such things ever again....
Well at least we won't have to buy an electric kettle that takes 3 hours to boil a cup of tea.
(No reason why we couldn't buy produce made in China. Some stuff we buy will be cheaper - e,g. a Japanese made car (i.e. a car made in Japan) has a 10% import duty on it due to EU tariffs. That could save you £1000 immediately.)
The latest bullshit I have seen on social media is.our food bill is £350 a year cheaper because of the eu.
Strawberries have a 14.4% tariff - lots come from Egypt I think. And olive oil is €1.245 / Kg
Yes that social media ad is simply a lie.
The other lie they are telling is that outside the EU we would automatically slap great import tariffs on wine etc. This 'assumption' has also been used in a few the so-called 'independent' studies of the economic impact of Brexit.
I've come home with an electric kettle, it's a Bosch design made in China, thus does the EU bow to Beijing.
You know if we vote for brexit, one will never be able to buy such things ever again....
Well at least we won't have to buy an electric kettle that takes 3 hours to boil a cup of tea.
(No reason why we couldn't buy produce made in China. Some stuff we buy will be cheaper - e,g. a Japanese made car (i.e. a car made in Japan) has a 10% import duty on it due to EU tariffs. That could save you £1000 immediately.)
The latest bullshit I have seen on social media is.our food bill is £350 a year cheaper because of the eu.
Funnily enough, I was just mentioning on social media the latest bullshit on PB about EU-mandated underpowered electric kettles.
@GuardianAnushka: I'm told Labour leadership script for tonight if Sadiq Khan wins: Tories made this abt Corbyn & he won. Others will be vocal against that
In reality, Khan's success is based on distancing himself from Corbyn.
Just back from the polling station here in SW20 and have to report it being quite busy...
"In reality, Khan's success is based on distancing himself from Corbyn."
I have just spoken to a friend in Barnet who was waiting for an hour at their polling station and still couldn't vote. It sounds an absolute shambles. I don't see how this Mayoral result can be allowed to stand. If we value democracy there must be a rerun city wide, or we are disenfranchising people.
Especially when some other people are getting multiple votes.
*Turnout News* About 120 from approx 1000 voters had voted so far at my polling station in Potters Bar when I voted at 17:30. Voted UKIP 1st choice with the evil baby eating Tories as my 2nd choice. A safe Tory hold. #HertsPCC
I've come home with an electric kettle, it's a Bosch design made in China, thus does the EU bow to Beijing.
I have a phone which is an Apple design made in China. Thus does the US bow to China?
No 'arf !!!!
The thing is Robert, I went to John Lewis in Stratford to buy the kettle. I also bought a British designed Jigsaw Puzzle; made in China, a kitchen Food Timer; made in China and a Stylus for my iPhone also made in China.
And I was sad for the days of my childhood when over 90% of manufactured things bought in Britain were Made in England. (That was the Label)
Worst of all are the labels saying "Made in the EU". For heaven's sake, WHERE in the EU?!
I've come home with an electric kettle, it's a Bosch design made in China, thus does the EU bow to Beijing.
I have a phone which is an Apple design made in China. Thus does the US bow to China?
No 'arf !!!!
The thing is Robert, I went to John Lewis in Stratford to buy the kettle. I also bought a British designed Jigsaw Puzzle; made in China, a kitchen Food Timer; made in China and a Stylus for my iPhone also made in China.
And I was sad for the days of my childhood when over 90% of manufactured things bought in Britain were Made in England. (That was the Label)
Worst of all are the labels saying "Made in the EU". For heaven's sake, WHERE in the EU?!
Another example of EU "co-operation" - lack thereof:
“The smugglers all drive around in British cars. They're not necessarily British, but they use UK number-plated cars... For French and Belgian police, identifying such a vehicle is difficult as we don't share files”
*Turnout News* About 120 from approx 1000 voters had voted so far at my polling station in Potters Bar when I voted at 17:30. Voted UKIP 1st choice with the evil baby eating Tories as my 2nd choice. A safe Tory hold. #HertsPCC
My son and I count as 1/3rd of the voters at our polling station - and I have just got back.
Massive pork-barrelling, of course, and it looks highly unstable.
Does it matter ? Eire is run out of Brussels and Berlin. The Dublin pantomime fails to enthuse.
It matters to me, 'cos I've got a bet on it!
The composition or the length of time?
The composition. I don't know how the bookies will settle, though - the bet is on an FG Minority government, but it looks as though there will be independents in the cabinet.
Massive pork-barrelling, of course, and it looks highly unstable.
Does it matter ? Eire is run out of Brussels and Berlin. The Dublin pantomime fails to enthuse.
It matters to me, 'cos I've got a bet on it!
The composition or the length of time?
The composition. I don't know how the bookies will settle, though - the bet is on an FG Minority government, but it looks as though there will be independents in the cabinet.
I have money on this one too. I'm not expecting to see it.
I've come home with an electric kettle, it's a Bosch design made in China, thus does the EU bow to Beijing.
I have a phone which is an Apple design made in China. Thus does the US bow to China?
No 'arf !!!!
The thing is Robert, I went to John Lewis in Stratford to buy the kettle. I also bought a British designed Jigsaw Puzzle; made in China, a kitchen Food Timer; made in China and a Stylus for my iPhone also made in China.
And I was sad for the days of my childhood when over 90% of manufactured things bought in Britain were Made in England. (That was the Label)
Worst of all are the labels saying "Made in the EU". For heaven's sake, WHERE in the EU?!
Do they not normally use that when different bits have been made in different places?
Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.
Why???????????????????????
See my 1.53 post and nested comments.
I voted Labour in 2003, in a local council election.
The Tory candidate was a bell end, think Brian Coleman without the charm and personality, even his own family didn't vote for him.
Plus it seemed the best way to get rid of IDS.
A Tory party member voting in the best calculated way to end the tenure of his democratically elected party leader?
Disgraceful.
It was in the best interests of the party and the country. Is what happens when the Tory Party focuses solely on the EU, we get walloped in general elections, and then Eurosceptics foam when Blair gives our rebate away for buttons.
How is that any different to Cameron giving away our leverage over the next EU treaty for buttons? There is barely a fig paper between Cameron and Blair. Both are spin-heavy, Europhilic, elitist wasters of public money with little appreciation for fair democracy.
Sorry but suffer from overhyping nonsense when it comes to the EU.
Yesterday you were telling us the Euro had caused more destruction to European lives than the Yugoslav civil war.
You are attempting to change the subject because you can not defend Cameron's pathetic surrender of leverage on the next treaty. He gave up our power over stopping Eurozone negotiation for next to nothing.
For the record, an average $10,000 drop in GDP for each of 11m Greeks and $6,000 for each of 45m Spaniards is more economic carnage than the Balkan wars and then you have plenty of other countries too. The cuts in health spending alone in Greece alone has pushed up the death rate to an additional 10,000 a year.
If you are going to put the drop in GDP in Greece and Spain down to the Euro, then you have to allow for the rise in GDP prior to 2009 too.
Greek GDP is back roughly to 2004 levels and substantially up from entry to the Euro in 2001:
@GuardianAnushka: I'm told Labour leadership script for tonight if Sadiq Khan wins: Tories made this abt Corbyn & he won. Others will be vocal against that
In reality, Khan's success is based on distancing himself from Corbyn.
Just back from the polling station here in SW20 and have to report it being quite busy...
"In reality, Khan's success is based on distancing himself from Corbyn."
Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.
Why???????????????????????
See my 1.53 post and nested comments.
I voted Labour in 2003, in a local council election.
The Tory candidate was a bell end, think Brian Coleman without the charm and personality, even his own family didn't vote for him.
Plus it seemed the best way to get rid of IDS.
A Tory party member voting in the best calculated way to end the tenure of his democratically elected party leader?
Disgraceful.
It was in the best interests of the party and the country. Is what happens when the Tory Party focuses solely on the EU, we get walloped in general elections, and then Eurosceptics foam when Blair gives our rebate away for buttons.
How is that any different to Cameron giving away our leverage over the next EU treaty for buttons? There is barely a fig paper between Cameron and Blair. Both are spin-heavy, Europhilic, elitist wasters of public money with little appreciation for fair democracy.
Sorry but suffer from overhyping nonsense when it comes to the EU.
Yesterday you were telling us the Euro had caused more destruction to European lives than the Yugoslav civil war.
You are attempting to change the subject because you can not defend Cameron's pathetic surrender of leverage on the next treaty. He gave up our power over stopping Eurozone negotiation for next to nothing.
For the record, an average $10,000 drop in GDP for each of 11m Greeks and $6,000 for each of 45m Spaniards is more economic carnage than the Balkan wars and then you have plenty of other countries too. The cuts in health spending alone in Greece alone has pushed up the death rate to an additional 10,000 a year.
If you are going to put the drop in GDP in Greece and Spain down to the Euro, then you have to allow for the rise in GDP prior to 2009 too.
Greek GDP is back roughly to 2004 levels and substantially up from entry to the Euro in 2001:
What about the alternative scenario where they never joined the Euro? Would they have done better 2001-16 than in reality between 2001-04? Or are you suggesting that these economies never grew before joining the single currency?
Spot the error in this update on the Beeb's politics live page:
"Ogmore by-election Posted at 16:24 One of two parliamentary by-elections taking place today, the vote in Ogmore was triggered by the decision of Labour MP Huw Irranca-Davies to stand for election to the Welsh Assembly. Mr Irranca Davies had a 35,250 majority in the South Wales seat.
The contenders hoping to replace him today are Glenda Davies (UKIP), Janet Ellard (Lib Dem), Chris Elmore (Labour), Abi Thomas (Plaid Cymru) and Alex Williams (Conservative)."
I've come home with an electric kettle, it's a Bosch design made in China, thus does the EU bow to Beijing.
I have a phone which is an Apple design made in China. Thus does the US bow to China?
No 'arf !!!!
The thing is Robert, I went to John Lewis in Stratford to buy the kettle. I also bought a British designed Jigsaw Puzzle; made in China, a kitchen Food Timer; made in China and a Stylus for my iPhone also made in China.
And I was sad for the days of my childhood when over 90% of manufactured things bought in Britain were Made in England. (That was the Label)
Worst of all are the labels saying "Made in the EU". For heaven's sake, WHERE in the EU?!
Do they not normally use that when different bits have been made in different places?
It is supposedly so one can't discriminate against the country of origin, so that for example there could not be a "don't by French" campaign. Of course it does slightly fall down on all those products the French have registered as specific to a particular location, like say, Champagne.
I've come home with an electric kettle, it's a Bosch design made in China, thus does the EU bow to Beijing.
I have a phone which is an Apple design made in China. Thus does the US bow to China?
No 'arf !!!!
The thing is Robert, I went to John Lewis in Stratford to buy the kettle. I also bought a British designed Jigsaw Puzzle; made in China, a kitchen Food Timer; made in China and a Stylus for my iPhone also made in China.
And I was sad for the days of my childhood when over 90% of manufactured things bought in Britain were Made in England. (That was the Label)
Worst of all are the labels saying "Made in the EU". For heaven's sake, WHERE in the EU?!
Do they not normally use that when different bits have been made in different places?
"CE" originated as an abbreviation of Conformité Européenne, meaning European Conformity, the CE logo was soon near perfectly copied by Far Eastern manufacturers but with the rather different significance of Chinese Export ( CE ).
I suppose it had to happen: when people don't vote Tory, and the Tory candidate is Jewish, they get called "anti-Semitic". We're just like Hitler, right? Auschwitz types.
If someone with a different ethnicity from my own tries to mug me, and I punch them, does that make me a "racist"? Of course it doesn't. Similarly if a Jew wants my vote and I won't give it to him. Tim Bale is in serious need of a lesson in having a bit of sense. If he can't find somewhere to get one, he's welcome to come round my place and I'll see if I can assist, with the help of a big stick.
This kind of usage of terms, idiotic at best and mendacious more often than not, belittles the experiences of people who really do get subjected to racist attacks and abuse and prejudice.
Has anyone else noticed how the level of bullshit in British politics seems to have risen fast in the last few days? Will it ever go back down again?
I've come home with an electric kettle, it's a Bosch design made in China, thus does the EU bow to Beijing.
I have a phone which is an Apple design made in China. Thus does the US bow to China?
No 'arf !!!!
The thing is Robert, I went to John Lewis in Stratford to buy the kettle. I also bought a British designed Jigsaw Puzzle; made in China, a kitchen Food Timer; made in China and a Stylus for my iPhone also made in China.
And I was sad for the days of my childhood when over 90% of manufactured things bought in Britain were Made in England. (That was the Label)
Worst of all are the labels saying "Made in the EU". For heaven's sake, WHERE in the EU?!
Do they not normally use that when different bits have been made in different places?
"CE" originated as an abbreviation of Conformité Européenne, meaning European Conformity, the CE logo was soon near perfectly copied by Far Eastern manufacturers but with the rather different significance of Chinese Export ( CE ).
According to wiki, the CE mark means a product meets EU regulation, not that it was produced in the EU.
Was just about to vote Lib Dem for the assembly list, but saw on the ballot paper that they were not 'Liberal Democrat', but 'Caroline Pidgeon's Liberal Democrats' - and I thought I can't put my cross there, so I voted Labour instead.
Was just about to vote Lib Dem for the assembly list, but saw on the ballot paper that they were not 'Liberal Democrat', but 'Caroline Pidgeon's Liberal Democrats' - and I thought I can't put my cross there, so I voted Labour instead.
Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.
Why???????????????????????
See my 1.53 post and nested comments.
I voted Labour in 2003, in a local council election.
The Tory candidate was a bell end, think Brian Coleman without the charm and personality, even his own family didn't vote for him.
Plus it seemed the best way to get rid of IDS.
A Tory party member voting in the best calculated way to end the tenure of his democratically elected party leader?
Disgraceful.
It was in the best interests of the party and the country. Is what happens when the Tory Party focuses solely on the EU, we get walloped in general elections, and then Eurosceptics foam when Blair gives our rebate away for buttons.
How is that any different to Cameron giving away our leverage over the next EU treaty for buttons? There is barely a fig paper between Cameron and Blair. Both are spin-heavy, Europhilic, elitist wasters of public money with little appreciation for fair democracy.
Sorry but suffer from overhyping nonsense when it comes to the EU.
Yesterday you were telling us the Euro had caused more destruction to European lives than the Yugoslav civil war.
You are attempting to change the subject because you can not defend Cameron's pathetic surrender of leverage on the next treaty. He gave up our power over stopping Eurozone negotiation for next to nothing.
For the record, an average $10,000 drop in GDP for each of 11m Greeks and $6,000 for each of 45m Spaniards is more economic carnage than the Balkan wars and then you have plenty of other countries too. The cuts in health spending alone in Greece alone has pushed up the death rate to an additional 10,000 a year.
If you are going to put the drop in GDP in Greece and Spain down to the Euro, then you have to allow for the rise in GDP prior to 2009 too.
Greek GDP is back roughly to 2004 levels and substantially up from entry to the Euro in 2001:
I only attributed the drop since 2010, which was clearly entirely caused by the Eurozone crisis, not the drop since 2008. If you like we could look at the pre-Euro growth rates and project them forward as the counter factual. But the numbers will be even worse for your side.
I suppose it had to happen: when people don't vote Tory, and the Tory candidate is Jewish, they get called "anti-Semitic". We're just like Hitler, right? Auschwitz types.
If someone with a different ethnicity from my own tries to mug me, and I punch them, does that make me a "racist"? Of course it doesn't. Similarly if a Jew wants my vote and I won't give it to him. Tim Bale is in serious need of a lesson in having a bit of sense. If he can't find somewhere to get one, he's welcome to come round my place and I'll see if I can assist, with the help of a big stick.
This kind of usage of terms, idiotic at best and mendacious more often than not, belittles the actual real experiences of people who really do experience racist attacks and abuse and prejudice.
Has anyone else noticed how the level of bullshit in British politics seems to have risen fast in the last few days? Will it ever go back down again?
Was just about to vote Lib Dem for the assembly list, but saw on the ballot paper that they were not 'Liberal Democrat', but 'Caroline Pidgeon's Liberal Democrats' - and I thought I can't put my cross there, so I voted Labour instead.
Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.
Why???????????????????????
See my 1.53 post and nested comments.
I voted Labour in 2003, in a local council election.
The Tory candidate was a bell end, think Brian Coleman without the charm and personality, even his own family didn't vote for him.
Plus it seemed the best way to get rid of IDS.
A Tory party member voting in the best calculated way to end the tenure of his democratically elected party leader?
Disgraceful.
It was in the best interests of the party and the country. Is what happens when the Tory Party focuses solely on the EU, we get walloped in general elections, and then Eurosceptics foam when Blair gives our rebate away for buttons.
How is that any different to Cameron giving away our leverage over the next EU treaty for buttons? There is barely a fig paper between Cameron and Blair. Both are spin-heavy, Europhilic, elitist wasters of public money with little appreciation for fair democracy.
Sorry but suffer from overhyping nonsense when it comes to the EU.
Yesterday you were telling us the Euro had caused more destruction to European lives than the Yugoslav civil war.
You are attempting r.
If you are going to put the drop in GDP in Greece and Spain down to the Euro, then you have to allow for the rise in GDP prior to 2009 too.
Greek GDP is back roughly to 2004 levels and substantially up from entry to the Euro in 2001:
What about the alternative scenario where they never joined the Euro? Would they have done better 2001-16 than in reality between 2001-04? Or are you suggesting that these economies never grew before joining the single currency?
They probably would have had some GDP growth outside the EZ, after all the Greek economy has benefited tremendously from joining the EU in 1981.
My point is that you cannot blame the Euro for the decline in Greek GDP after its peak in 2009, without at least giving some credit for the growth prior to that. Greeks are still - despite the disastrous performance of their economy in recent years - wealthier than when they joined the EZ.
Was just about to vote Lib Dem for the assembly list, but saw on the ballot paper that they were not 'Liberal Democrat', but 'Caroline Pidgeon's Liberal Democrats' - and I thought I can't put my cross there, so I voted Labour instead.
@ScottyNational: News: An SNP MP reports rumours that Labour supporters are telling hardline SNP voters they can only vote if they remove their tin foil hats
Our local halfwit tried to tell me that some SNP voters were confused about their second vote and didn't know they could use it for Labour. He was sent packing with a flea in his ear.
I've come home with an electric kettle, it's a Bosch design made in China, thus does the EU bow to Beijing.
You know if we vote for brexit, one will never be able to buy such things ever again....
Well at least we won't have to buy an electric kettle that takes 3 hours to boil a cup of tea.
(No reason why we couldn't buy produce made in China. Some stuff we buy will be cheaper - e,g. a Japanese made car (i.e. a car made in Japan) has a 10% import duty on it due to EU tariffs. That could save you £1000 immediately.)
Presumably same EU tariff will apply to cars made in the UK after a UK exit. That's not going to help our exports to the EU, nor is it going to encourage investment in car manufacturing in the UK.
This would mean the 8/1 on NOM is not a wise bet, but Shadsy is also offering 5/4 on Con most seats without SNP
Also the SPIN spread on Con seats is just about attractive on those numbers
9 Scottish Greens would just be too depressing for words. This could surely only happen if a lot of SNP supporters split their vote to vote for a different independence party on the list. The SNP have been urging their supporters not to do that and for once I hope they listen.
My guess is SNP 70 Labour 25 Tories 24 Greens 5 (sigh) Lib Dems 4 Indy 1
It absolutely looks like lots of people are going. SNP/green. But probably not enough to give greens a decent shot of multiple list MPs in every region.
Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.
Why???????????????????????
See my 1.53 post and nested comments.
I voted Labour in 2003, in a local council election.
The Tory candidate was a bell end, think Brian Coleman without the charm and personality, even his own family didn't vote for him.
Plus it seemed the best way to get rid of IDS.
A Tory party member voting in the best calculated way to end the tenure of his democratically elected party leader?
Disgraceful.
It was in the best interests of the party and the country. Is what happens when the Tory Party focuses solely on the EU, we get walloped in general elections, and then Eurosceptics foam when Blair gives our rebate away for buttons.
How is that any different to Cameron giving away our leverage over the next EU treaty for buttons? There is barely a fig paper between Cameron and Blair. Both are spin-heavy, Europhilic, elitist wasters of public money with little appreciation for fair democracy.
Sorry but suffer from overhyping nonsense when it comes to the EU.
Yesterday you were telling us the Euro had caused more destruction to European lives than the Yugoslav civil war.
You are attempting to change the subject because you can not defend Cameron's pathetic surrender of leverage on the next treaty. He gave up our power over stopping Eurozone negotiation for next to nothing.
For the record, an
If you are going to put the drop in GDP in Greece and Spain down to the Euro, then you have to allow for the rise in GDP prior to 2009 too.
Greek GDP is back roughly to 2004 levels and substantially up from entry to the Euro in 2001:
I only attributed the drop since 2010, which was clearly entirely caused by the Eurozone crisis, not the drop since 2008. If you like we could look at the pre-Euro growth rates and project them forward as the counter factual. But the numbers will be even worse for your side.
If you project graphs forward from before the financial crisis then more or less any country in the world would be richer! You would be making Gordon's economic hubris universal.
@ScottyNational: News: An SNP MP reports rumours that Labour supporters are telling hardline SNP voters they can only vote if they remove their tin foil hats
Our local halfwit tried to tell me that some SNP voters were confused about their second vote and didn't know they could use it for Labour. He was sent packing with a flea in his ear.
I bet he is counting his blessings he didn't say "use it for the Tories". If he had, we'd be seeing the repercussions on the news right about now.
Ben Riley Smith Remarkable Barnet stat -- 1 in 5 Jews in England/Wales live in borough. https://t.co/7RxPLzO4IM
Barnet includes places like Golders Green, Hendon and Finchley. I'm not surprised at that stat.
Hertsmere is the second most popular place to live for them IIRC.
Yes, Sean F of this parish has made similar comments before. Seeing as we're next door to the LB of Barnet, if they want a bit of countryside or slightly cheaper housing they move a few miles north. And they're jolly welcome to join us too.
According to wiki, the CE mark means a product meets EU regulation, not that it was produced in the EU.
This is correct. The "China Export" mark has the C and E closer together than the "Conformité Européenne" mark, but many (most?) goods that legitimately carry the EU's mark are Chinese exports.
I suppose it had to happen: when people don't vote Tory, and the Tory candidate is Jewish, they get called "anti-Semitic". We're just like Hitler, right? Auschwitz types.
If someone with a different ethnicity from my own tries to mug me, and I punch them, does that make me a "racist"? Of course it doesn't. Similarly if a Jew wants my vote and I won't give it to him. Tim Bale is in serious need of a lesson in having a bit of sense. If he can't find somewhere to get one, he's welcome to come round my place and I'll see if I can assist, with the help of a big stick.
This kind of usage of terms, idiotic at best and mendacious more often than not, belittles the experiences of people who really do get subjected to racist attacks and abuse and prejudice.
Has anyone else noticed how the level of bullshit in British politics seems to have risen fast in the last few days? Will it ever go back down again?
Have you used up all your free Telegraph articles? I couldn't see anything in Tim Bale's article to cause offence. It was nothing to do with Londoners not voting for Zac Goldsmith. The Labour party seems to come out of it okay - its supporters are no more against a Jewish PM than those of other parties. The outlying groups appear to be Ukip voters and Londoners.
Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.
Why???????????????????????
See my 1.53 post and nested comments.
I voted Labour in 2003, in a local council election.
The Tory candidate was a bell end, think Brian Coleman without the charm and personality, even his own family didn't vote for him.
Plus it seemed the best way to get rid of IDS.
A Tory party member voting in the best calculated way to end the tenure of his democratically elected party leader?
Disgraceful.
It was in the best interests of the party and the country. Is what happens when the Tory Party focuses solely on the EU, we get walloped in general elections, and then Eurosceptics foam when Blair gives our rebate away for buttons.
How is that any different to Cameron giving away our leverage over the next EU treaty for buttons? There is barely a fig paper between Cameron and Blair. Both are spin-heavy, Europhilic, elitist wasters of public money with little appreciation for fair democracy.
Sorry but suffer from overhyping nonsense when it comes to the EU.
Yesterday you were telling us the Euro had caused more destruction to European lives than the Yugoslav civil war.
You are attempting r.
If you are going to put the drop in GDP in Greece and Spain down to the Euro, then you have to allow for the rise in GDP prior to 2009 too.
Greek GDP is back roughly to 2004 levels and substantially up from entry to the Euro in 2001:
What about the alternative scenario where they never joined the Euro? Would they have done better 2001-16 than in reality between 2001-04? Or are you suggesting that these economies never grew before joining the single currency?
They probably would have had some GDP growth outside the EZ, after all the Greek economy has benefited tremendously from joining the EU in 1981.
My point is that you cannot blame the Euro for the decline in Greek GDP after its peak in 2009, without at least giving some credit for the growth prior to that. Greeks are still - despite the disastrous performance of their economy in recent years - wealthier than when they joined the EZ.
Both the boom and the bust in Greece can be put down to the Euro.
As a Labour member, I just voted for the Lib Dem P&CC candidate in North Tyneside who wants to get rid of P&CCs.
Job well done I say.
I remember the day when the Lib Dems were keen on local government. Of course, that just happened to be government at a level they could win. I'm sure the Lib Dems' objection to democratically elected and accountable PCC's has nothing to do with their inability to win any of them. No, sir.
I've come home with an electric kettle, it's a Bosch design made in China, thus does the EU bow to Beijing.
You know if we vote for brexit, one will never be able to buy such things ever again....
Well at least we won't have to buy an electric kettle that takes 3 hours to boil a cup of tea.
(No reason why we couldn't buy produce made in China. Some stuff we buy will be cheaper - e,g. a Japanese made car (i.e. a car made in Japan) has a 10% import duty on it due to EU tariffs. That could save you £1000 immediately.)
Presumably same EU tariff will apply to cars made in the UK after a UK exit. That's not going to help our exports to the EU, nor is it going to encourage investment in car manufacturing in the UK.
As a Labour member, I just voted for the Lib Dem P&CC candidate in North Tyneside who wants to get rid of P&CCs.
Job well done I say.
I remember the day when the Lib Dems were keen on local government. Of course, that just happened to be government at a level they could win. I'm sure the Lib Dems' objection to democratically elected and accountable PCC's has nothing to do with their inability to win any of them. No, sir.
That's rich coming from a first-time Labour voter!
Am about to go out and vote in the Kent PCC election. Will be voting for the Uip chap on the basis that he is the only one who has bothered to send a leaflet out. (Although I did get an "In touch" from the local Tories a couple of weeks ago, with a "by the way, why not vote for our guy for PPC " in a paragraph on the back page).
With all the voting problems in Barnet today, surely they could have got one of the many Finchley Road companies to sort it out, in particular a company from 788 790 Finchley Road!
@ScottyNational: News: An SNP MP reports rumours that Labour supporters are telling hardline SNP voters they can only vote if they remove their tin foil hats
Our local halfwit tried to tell me that some SNP voters were confused about their second vote and didn't know they could use it for Labour. He was sent packing with a flea in his ear.
I bet he is counting his blessings he didn't say "use it for the Tories". If he had, we'd be seeing the repercussions on the news right about now.
Just back from voting. Have broken the habit of a lifetime and cast my first vote for Labour.
Why???????????????????????
See my 1.53 post and nested comments.
I voted Labour in 2003, in a local council election.
The Tory candidate was a bell end, think Brian Coleman without the charm and personality, even his own family didn't vote for him.
Plus it seemed the best way to get rid of IDS.
A Tory party member voting in the best calculated way to end the tenure of his democratically elected party leader?
Disgraceful.
It was in the best interests of the party and the country. Is what happens when the Tory Party focuses solely on the EU, we get walloped in general elections, and then Eurosceptics foam when Blair gives our rebate away for buttons.
How is that any different to Cameron giving away our leverage over the next EU treaty for buttons? There is barely a fig paper between Cameron and Blair. Both are spin-heavy, Europhilic, elitist wasters of public money with little appreciation for fair democracy.
Sorry but suffer from overhyping nonsense when it comes to the EU.
Yesterday you were telling us the Euro had caused more destruction to European lives than the Yugoslav civil war.
You are attempting r.
If you are going to put the drop in GDP in Greece and Spain down to the Euro, then you have to allow for the rise in GDP prior to 2009 too.
Greek GDP is back roughly to 2004 levels and substantially up from entry to the Euro in 2001:
What about the alternative scenario where they never joined the Euro? Would they have done better 2001-16 than in reality between 2001-04? Or are you suggesting that these economies never grew before joining the single currency?
They probably would have had some GDP growth outside the EZ, after all the Greek economy has benefited tremendously from joining the EU in 1981.
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Both the boom and the bust in Greece can be put down to the Euro.
And the bigger the boom, the bigger the bust that follows. You cannot blame the Euro for one without crediting it for the other.
The principle also applies to other economies, I expect the China crisis to be quite profound too.
As a Labour member, I just voted for the Lib Dem P&CC candidate in North Tyneside who wants to get rid of P&CCs.
Job well done I say.
I remember the day when the Lib Dems were keen on local government. Of course, that just happened to be government at a level they could win. I'm sure the Lib Dems' objection to democratically elected and accountable PCC's has nothing to do with their inability to win any of them. No, sir.
That's rich coming from a first-time Labour voter!
I voted at 8am so I could have a lovely cycle ride across Cannock Chase on my way home this evening. They told me business was brisk. Two people had been in already...
Voted for the 2 of our 3 independent candidates in our pcc election in Hampshire as 1st and 2nd preference. I'd rather not have pcc's full stop but as they're here I don't believe the role should be party political. I didn't realise that there were 2nd preference votes for it before I got to the polling station. No posters for the pcc or local elections where I am. Is a safe tory ward but even so! I did research the candidates but was a ukip vote for me in the locals. Simply can't bring myself to vote Tory even if the local councillor is good these days!
Are we expecting any exit polls for Scotland, Wales and NI tonight?
Scotland is easy , LANDSLIDE , donkeys all lose badly.
The only animals to be doing any leaps tonight will be Sturgeons...
I'll get my coat.
By the way, did you call that idiot who told you you only weren't voting Labour on the list because you were too thick a turnip? If so, I think you should take the opportunity to publicly apologise to all root vegetables. That really was a stupid remark.
Just got back from a day of agitating for Zac. I think turnout here in the Outer Rim will be respectable; then again, is there always a big difference between here and the Core Worlds?
@foxinsox "You cannot blame the Euro for one without crediting it for the other. " So the Euro is to be credited for the boom! Condemn the vomit but praise the binge.
Are we expecting any exit polls for Scotland, Wales and NI tonight?
Scotland is easy , LANDSLIDE , donkeys all lose badly.
The only animals to be doing any leaps tonight will be Sturgeons...
I'll get my coat.
By the way, did you call that idiot who told you you only weren't voting Labour on the list because you were too thick a turnip? If so, I think you should take the opportunity to publicly apologise to all root vegetables. That really was a stupid remark.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt and just chased him with some polite banter re who was confused.
Guido reports via tweet that London tories are 'chipper...'
Spectacularly low Mayoral turnout????
I must admit there's been a surge in voting at my local polling station. From 20 or so up till 16:00hrs, another 20 or so have voted in the last two hours.
Guido reports via tweet that London tories are 'chipper...'
Spectacularly low Mayoral turnout????
I must admit there's been a surge in voting at my local polling station. From 20 or so up till 16:00hrs, another 20 or so have voted in the last two hours.
Are you living in a ward with a high percentage of workers? Maybe they are waiting until after work to vote.
Guido reports via tweet that London tories are 'chipper...'
Spectacularly low Mayoral turnout????
I must admit there's been a surge in voting at my local polling station. From 20 or so up till 16:00hrs, another 20 or so have voted in the last two hours.
Are you living in a ward with a high percentage of workers? Maybe they are waiting until after work to vote.
Or else the "Community Leader" dropped off the postal votes in a truck....
Guido reports via tweet that London tories are 'chipper...'
Spectacularly low Mayoral turnout????
I must admit there's been a surge in voting at my local polling station. From 20 or so up till 16:00hrs, another 20 or so have voted in the last two hours.
Are you living in a ward with a high percentage of workers? Maybe they are waiting until after work to vote.
Or else the "Community Leader" dropped off the postal votes in a truck....
I suppose it had to happen: when people don't vote Tory, and the Tory candidate is Jewish, they get called "anti-Semitic". We're just like Hitler, right? Auschwitz types.
If someone with a different ethnicity from my own tries to mug me, and I punch them, does that make me a "racist"? Of course it doesn't. Similarly if a Jew wants my vote and I won't give it to him. Tim Bale is in serious need of a lesson in having a bit of sense. If he can't find somewhere to get one, he's welcome to come round my place and I'll see if I can assist, with the help of a big stick.
This kind of usage of terms, idiotic at best and mendacious more often than not, belittles the experiences of people who really do get subjected to racist attacks and abuse and prejudice.
Has anyone else noticed how the level of bullshit in British politics seems to have risen fast in the last few days? Will it ever go back down again?
@foxinsox "You cannot blame the Euro for one without crediting it for the other. " So the Euro is to be credited for the boom! Condemn the vomit but praise the binge.
The good doctor is both right and wrong. The entry into the euro, largely thanks to low interest rates to help the sluggish German economy, caused huge booms in the periphery - Ireland, Iberia, Italy, Greece. The problem was that as early as 2003 it was clear there was a serious danger of all of them overheating in the wake of the slowdown that followed Iraq. To prevent that, the central banks of the countries took the only measure left open to them - quietly ditching capital requirements so that banks could keep lending.
This meant however that the crash was much worse when it inevitably came. And they had no mechanism to correct it.
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http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2016/exclusive-some-rural-garda-stations-to-be-reopened-as-part-of-new-minority-government-deal-34687928.html
Massive pork-barrelling, of course, and it looks highly unstable.
The other lie they are telling is that outside the EU we would automatically slap great import tariffs on wine etc. This 'assumption' has also been used in a few the so-called 'independent' studies of the economic impact of Brexit.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/05/05/nomination_in_hand_trump_faces_general_election_pressures.html
Eire is run out of Brussels and Berlin. The Dublin pantomime fails to enthuse.
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Oh, yes?
Tell me would an equally well-qualified and experienced Goldberg or other Jewish person ever stand a chance of being Mayor of London?
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/05/04/my_gut_trump_beats_hillary_in_landslide
About 120 from approx 1000 voters had voted so far at my polling station in Potters Bar when I voted at 17:30.
Voted UKIP 1st choice with the evil baby eating Tories as my 2nd choice.
A safe Tory hold.
#HertsPCC
Job well done I say.
A titanic globular collision of lard that's too close to call.
“The smugglers all drive around in British cars. They're not necessarily British, but they use UK number-plated cars... For French and Belgian police, identifying such a vehicle is difficult as we don't share files”
Smugglers in this case turned out to be 4 Iraqis.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/05/belgian-police-rake-british-registered-car-with-bullets-during-h/
It would be even better if it used eurovision for the examples...
I'm not surprised at that stat.
Greek GDP is back roughly to 2004 levels and substantially up from entry to the Euro in 2001:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/gdp
Nah, cos lefty waaaaaacists.
"Ogmore by-election
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16:24
One of two parliamentary by-elections taking place today, the vote in Ogmore was triggered by the decision of Labour MP Huw Irranca-Davies to stand for election to the Welsh Assembly. Mr Irranca Davies had a 35,250 majority in the South Wales seat.
The contenders hoping to replace him today are Glenda Davies (UKIP), Janet Ellard (Lib Dem), Chris Elmore (Labour), Abi Thomas (Plaid Cymru) and Alex Williams (Conservative)."
If someone with a different ethnicity from my own tries to mug me, and I punch them, does that make me a "racist"? Of course it doesn't. Similarly if a Jew wants my vote and I won't give it to him. Tim Bale is in serious need of a lesson in having a bit of sense. If he can't find somewhere to get one, he's welcome to come round my place and I'll see if I can assist, with the help of a big stick.
This kind of usage of terms, idiotic at best and mendacious more often than not, belittles the experiences of people who really do get subjected to racist attacks and abuse and prejudice.
Has anyone else noticed how the level of bullshit in British politics seems to have risen fast in the last few days? Will it ever go back down again?
Spectacularly low Mayoral turnout????
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pnBJLqgQM7-03sOfkThVnJhg97hS_aSx9QS7FtNwGC4/edit#gid=0
My point is that you cannot blame the Euro for the decline in Greek GDP after its peak in 2009, without at least giving some credit for the growth prior to that. Greeks are still - despite the disastrous performance of their economy in recent years - wealthier than when they joined the EZ.
Seeing as we're next door to the LB of Barnet, if they want a bit of countryside or slightly cheaper housing they move a few miles north.
And they're jolly welcome to join us too.
They've tried it before.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_System
It resulted in a century of global dominance for Britannia.
The principle also applies to other economies, I expect the China crisis to be quite profound too.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/05/local-elections-scottish-uk-london-mayor-sadiq-khan-zac-goldsmit/
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=896853633774271&id=100003489285132
Should be arrested. Having posted this on his Facebook page it wouldn't be difficult to find the culprit!
I'll get my coat.
By the way, did you call that idiot who told you you only weren't voting Labour on the list because you were too thick a turnip? If so, I think you should take the opportunity to publicly apologise to all root vegetables. That really was a stupid remark.
So the Euro is to be credited for the boom!
Condemn the vomit but praise the binge.
Wiltshire's expecting to declare sometime 4am apparently.
This meant however that the crash was much worse when it inevitably came. And they had no mechanism to correct it.