Just noted the shocking news that @Charles has been resettled in the ghetto of NW8 !! .... I don't think I could have been more shocked if @MikeK had moved to Islington and become the Chief Iman of the Finsbury Park Mosque.
In other news Tim Farron is mobbed by an adoring public in Glasgow with a supplicant @malcolmg throwing tribute turnips at the LibDem leaders triumphant chariot ....
It's deeply symptomatic of REMAIN's dire performance that a ONE POINT LEAD is greeted with relief by REMAINIANS
We've had two weeks of solid REMAIN artillery, the best they have, throwing everything and more at LEAVE, from Obama to the kitchen sink to the OECD to Treasury to the IMF and the neighbour's kitchen sink, and this produces... A ONE POINT LEAD
Order of Immodium for Number 10.
I'm thinking it might be all they need to maintain, as I am naively thinking undecideds will break for remain.
It's deeply symptomatic of REMAIN's dire performance that a ONE POINT LEAD is greeted with relief by REMAINIANS
We've had two weeks of solid REMAIN artillery, the best they have, throwing everything and more at LEAVE, from Obama to the kitchen sink to the OECD to Treasury to the IMF and the neighbour's kitchen sink, and this produces... A ONE POINT LEAD
'Indeed, I think John Mcdonnell could be Labour's Michael Howard to Corbyn's IDS, from the same wing of the party, both Shadow Chancellor but both more media savvy, intelligent and heavy hitting. Howard did not win but he did ensure the Tories made modest progress in 2005 to set up their future recovery.'
Howard achieved a 3% swing and gained over 30 seats in 2005. If Mcdonnell were to manage that he would make it to No 10!
McDonnell is no Howard.
Howard might have had something about the night about him. McDonnell has something about the IRA about him.
And I think we all know how the British would react to having a terrorist apologist as a potential PM candidate.
McDo
McDonnell is not a heavy hitter in th
For the left Michael Howard was associated with the miners strike, the poll tax and an authoritarian criminal justice policy, mo
You have a very rose-tinted view of McDonnell's "career". His elevation to the Shadow Chancellorship was achieved only because of the arrival of Corbyn - and you will remember how many objected to the appointment from within the Party. He has held no other ministerial or shadow role - unsurprising considering his extreme views and his record of being a serial rebel against the Party line. None of that puts him on a par with Howard - who has a long record of service in a range of roles.
Take the blinkers off and look at what McDonnell has done and said over his life, the people and causes he has supported. He is not a vote-winner for Labour, he never has been and he never will be.
Without Corbyn, he would still be on the backbenchers. And yet, here we are talking about him leading Labour - possibly within a matter of months - even though he failed in his many previous attempts to stand for election to that position.
What a mad, mad world.
You are speaking from the point of view of a right wing Tory, your opinion is about as useful as asking a leftwing Labour voter about Michael Howard, they would associate him with the poll tax and section 28 as much as you associate McDonnell with terrorists. I never said he was a great vote winner but neither was Howard, both however brought a bit more heft to the leadership. McDonnell has only tried once for the leadership, in 2007, just as Howard tried once in 1997, Howard came last, it was being Shadow Chancellor and on the same wing as the incumbent which gave/give both their chance
Is the Guardian joking when they describe a 1% lead for Remain as a "poll boost"? It might be technically speaking in terms of this particular polling firm...
It's deeply symptomatic of REMAIN's dire performance that a ONE POINT LEAD is greeted with relief by REMAINIANS
We've had two weeks of solid REMAIN artillery, the best they have, throwing everything and more at LEAVE, from Obama to the kitchen sink to the OECD to Treasury to the IMF and the neighbour's kitchen sink, and this produces... A ONE POINT LEAD
Order of Immodium for Number 10.
Titter .... yup that 8 point lead over Jezza's Labour must really be giving the PM the shits.
Is the Guardian joking when they describe a 1% lead for Remain as a "poll boost"? It might be technically speaking in terms of this particular polling firm...
I think it is fair to describe a +3% improvement as a boost. Not yet tipping point territory, mind you
It's deeply symptomatic of REMAIN's dire performance that a ONE POINT LEAD is greeted with relief by REMAINIANS
We've had two weeks of solid REMAIN artillery, the best they have, throwing everything and more at LEAVE, from Obama to the kitchen sink to the OECD to Treasury to the IMF and the neighbour's kitchen sink, and this produces... A ONE POINT LEAD
Order of Immodium for Number 10.
I'm in the really stupid position of not knowing which way to vote yet hoping that Leave wins.
It would be such a wonderful rebuff for the Establishment.
But that isn't a very good reason to vote for Leave.
Is the Guardian joking when they describe a 1% lead for Remain as a "poll boost"? It might be technically speaking in terms of this particular polling firm...
I think it is fair to describe a +3% improvement as a boost. Not yet tipping point territory, mind you
It's technically correct but in all other respects it's a bit pathetic. A 1% lead for Remain after everything they've thrown at Leave including Obama? Not exactly impressive.
Is the Guardian joking when they describe a 1% lead for Remain as a "poll boost"? It might be technically speaking in terms of this particular polling firm...
They are talking about the swing. People got over excited by a 1% swing to Leave with YouGov earlier on this week.
You are speaking from the point of view of a right wing Tory, your opinion is about as useful as asking a leftwing Labour voter about Michael Howard, they would associate him with the poll tax and section 28 as much as you associate McDonnell with terrorists. I never said he was a great vote winner but neither was Howard, both however brought a bit more heft to the leadership. McDonnell has only tried once for the leadership, in 2007, just as Howard tried once in 1997, Howard came last, it was being Shadow Chancellor and on the same wing as the incumbent which gave/give both their chance
Howard had served in three different Cabinet roles - including the Home Office. McDonnell has nothing even close to that on his CV. There is no equivalence between their careers at all.
And there is no equivalence at all between policies such as the Community Charge and Section 28 and McDonnell's relationship with those who use terror as a weapon on the streets of Britain and beyond.
And I am very far from being a right wing anything. I have never been a member of any party and have a mixed voting record.
If Tories have 8 point lead across GB, the lead in England will be more, say 11. Blues are 8 to 13% behind in London typically. I wonder what the figures are in London. Tories behind 5% at most? Labour fear a low turn out too.
Is the Guardian joking when they describe a 1% lead for Remain as a "poll boost"? It might be technically speaking in terms of this particular polling firm...
I think it is fair to describe a +3% improvement as a boost. Not yet tipping point territory, mind you
It's technically correct but in all other respects it's a bit pathetic. A 1% lead for Remain after everything they've thrown at Leave including Obama? Not exactly impressive.
And a 1% Remain win would soon see Leave Tory voters drifting back to UKIP
Clears throat.......CORBYNISM SWEEPING THE NATION....
And I would suspect this is before Ken turning the Labour Party in the new Nazi Party has really registered.
In all seriousness, it is regression to the mean isn't it. After all the poor headline for Cameron and his tax stuff etc, we now back to usual i.e. Corbyn Labour Party a PR disaster.
It's deeply symptomatic of REMAIN's dire performance that a ONE POINT LEAD is greeted with relief by REMAINIANS
We've had two weeks of solid REMAIN artillery, the best they have, throwing everything and more at LEAVE, from Obama to the kitchen sink to the OECD to Treasury to the IMF and the neighbour's kitchen sink, and this produces... A ONE POINT LEAD
Order of Immodium for Number 10.
I'm in the really stupid position of not knowing which way to vote yet hoping that Leave wins.
It would be such a wonderful rebuff for the Establishment.
But that isn't a very good reason to vote for Leave.
The referendum poll is hardly newsworthy (nor will any until the campaigns begin in earnest in mid May) but Labour self-immolating a week before the May 5th elections could be highly significant. I doubt Khan is in trouble, but Labour losses elsewhere could suddenly be in the hundreds and that will have its own cumulative ripple effects.
I cannot see the mechanism for McDonnell to become leader. He would fail to get the parliamentary nomination threshold, and I am not convinced he would win the members vote if he did. He is much better presented than Jezza but that loses him the slightly otherworldly dreamer vote without compensatory gains.
It's deeply symptomatic of REMAIN's dire performance that a ONE POINT LEAD is greeted with relief by REMAINIANS
We've had two weeks of solid REMAIN artillery, the best they have, throwing everything and more at LEAVE, from Obama to the kitchen sink to the OECD to Treasury to the IMF and the neighbour's kitchen sink, and this produces... A ONE POINT LEAD
Order of Immodium for Number 10.
I'm in the really stupid position of not knowing which way to vote yet hoping that Leave wins.
It would be such a wonderful rebuff for the Establishment.
But that isn't a very good reason to vote for Leave.
Plenty of people are in that quandary. I'm still undecided.
Is the Guardian joking when they describe a 1% lead for Remain as a "poll boost"? It might be technically speaking in terms of this particular polling firm...
I think it is fair to describe a +3% improvement as a boost. Not yet tipping point territory, mind you
It's technically correct but in all other respects it's a bit pathetic. A 1% lead for Remain after everything they've thrown at Leave including Obama? Not exactly impressive.
But the boost refers to the change, not the lead? A 3% increase is significant in terms of the MoE.
The referendum poll is hardly newsworthy (nor will any until the campaigns begin in earnest in mid May) but Labour self-immolating a week before the May 5th elections could be highly significant. I doubt Khan is in trouble, but Labour losses elsewhere could suddenly be in the hundreds and that will have its own cumulative ripple effects.
Sounds like Con need to shore up Jezza's position:
It's deeply symptomatic of REMAIN's dire performance that a ONE POINT LEAD is greeted with relief by REMAINIANS
We've had two weeks of solid REMAIN artillery, the best they have, throwing everything and more at LEAVE, from Obama to the kitchen sink to the OECD to Treasury to the IMF and the neighbour's kitchen sink, and this produces... A ONE POINT LEAD
Order of Immodium for Number 10.
I'm in the really stupid position of not knowing which way to vote yet hoping that Leave wins.
It would be such a wonderful rebuff for the Establishment.
But that isn't a very good reason to vote for Leave.
Let us throw the ordure of derision at our silly, lying, ludicrous and now abjectly terrified politicians
It's an online poll which like all online polls seem to be biased towards Leave. No great change - Remain will still win comfortably by about 10-15 points.
The referendum poll is hardly newsworthy (nor will any until the campaigns begin in earnest in mid May) but Labour self-immolating a week before the May 5th elections could be highly significant. I doubt Khan is in trouble, but Labour losses elsewhere could suddenly be in the hundreds and that will have its own cumulative ripple effects.
Sounds like Con need to shore up Jezza's position:
The referendum poll is hardly newsworthy (nor will any until the campaigns begin in earnest in mid May) but Labour self-immolating a week before the May 5th elections could be highly significant. I doubt Khan is in trouble, but Labour losses elsewhere could suddenly be in the hundreds and that will have its own cumulative ripple effects.
Sounds like Con need to shore up Jezza's position:
Let us throw the ordure of derision at our silly, lying, ludicrous and now abjectly terrified politicians
Just how small do you predict the Remain margin will be? 2%? 8%? Larger?
I stand by my long held prediction, 56/44 (or thereabouts) for REMAIN
I'm voting LEAVE but I expect the status quo bias to deliver it for Cameron, just about. I'm just enjoying the now palpable panic and desperation within the Establishment, as they realise they really could lose this - and they really could lose, it all depends on turnout, and no one really knows what that will be.
I think it will be closer than that, 52% Remain 48% Leave is my guess
I cannot see the mechanism for McDonnell to become leader. He would fail to get the parliamentary nomination threshold, and I am not convinced he would win the members vote if he did. He is much better presented than Jezza but that loses him the slightly otherworldly dreamer vote without compensatory gains.
McDonnell is the only alternative to Corbyn who could win the members' vote at the moment or is sufficiently leftwing enough not to infuriate them, just as Howard was the only viable alternative to IDS
It's deeply symptomatic of REMAIN's dire performance that a ONE POINT LEAD is greeted with relief by REMAINIANS
We've had two weeks of solid REMAIN artillery, the best they have, throwing everything and more at LEAVE, from Obama to the kitchen sink to the OECD to Treasury to the IMF and the neighbour's kitchen sink, and this produces... A ONE POINT LEAD
Order of Immodium for Number 10.
It's a relatively good poll for Remain. This week, five polls have shown a swing to Leave. Now, one shows a swing to Remain.
You are speaking from the point of view of a right wing Tory, your opinion is about as useful as asking a leftwing Labour voter about Michael Howard, they would associate him with the poll tax and section 28 as much as you associate McDonnell with terrorists. I never said he was a great vote winner but neither was Howard, both however brought a bit more heft to the leadership. McDonnell has only tried once for the leadership, in 2007, just as Howard tried once in 1997, Howard came last, it was being Shadow Chancellor and on the same wing as the incumbent which gave/give both their chance
Howard had served in three different Cabinet roles - including the Home Office. McDonnell has nothing even close to that on his CV. There is no equivalence between their careers at all.
And there is no equivalence at all between policies such as the Community Charge and Section 28 and McDonnell's relationship with those who use terror as a weapon on the streets of Britain and beyond.
And I am very far from being a right wing anything. I have never been a member of any party and have a mixed voting record.
McDonnell has been an MP for almost 20 years, Howard had been an MP for 22 years when he became leader, in any case whether they were in the Cabinet a decade ago was irrelevant it was whether they were a prominent Shadow Cabinet figure when the leader was replaced that was key, Howard was, McDonnell is.
I am afraid you are once again speaking as a rightwinger (regardless of what you say I cannot see you voting for Labour and certainly not non-Blair Labour) leftwingers would equate Section 28 and negative teaching of homosexuality in schools and the poll tax with an association with 'terrorists' who have now been welcomed to No 10 and met the Queen
Let us throw the ordure of derision at our silly, lying, ludicrous and now abjectly terrified politicians
Just how small do you predict the Remain margin will be? 2%? 8%? Larger?
I stand by my long held prediction, 56/44 (or thereabouts) for REMAIN
I'm voting LEAVE but I expect the status quo bias to deliver it for Cameron, just about. I'm just enjoying the now palpable panic and desperation within the Establishment, as they realise they really could lose this - and they really could lose, it all depends on turnout, and no one really knows what that will be.
Eek, that would be roughly my prediction too....but I don't quite detect the blind panic, at least not yet, that you discern. But then I move in less exalted circles.
We've just completed a mammouth 6 hour final canvass (been out almost every day for the last 3 weeks) for the locals. Leafy Surrey area but far from hideously opulent. Perhaps 10 or so people have raised the referendum spontaneously on the doorste, and almost all were Leavers. But today, two raised the subject: one an ex teacher, Cons, strong remain; the other WWC (no party allegiance) who I was convinced would be an implacible out man, but no, he said on balance, not sure about the risk, and would vote In. Interesting.
I cannot see the mechanism for McDonnell to become leader. He would fail to get the parliamentary nomination threshold, and I am not convinced he would win the members vote if he did. He is much better presented than Jezza but that loses him the slightly otherworldly dreamer vote without compensatory gains.
The mechanics of Corbyn stepping down and a leadership election are worth several posts on their own.
1. Will he stand down without a clear successor such as McDonnell being in place to succeed? 2. Will the PLP have the guts and discipline to keep that successor or equally unelectable hard lefty off the ballot of the members? 3. Will someone vaguely acceptable to the general public end up on the ballot? 4. Will the collective voice of the membership prioritise the gaining of power and electability over ideological purity, after a decade of opposition? BUT Will Corbyn change the rules at Conference, perhaps to allow members a part in the nomination process, designed to prevent (2) happening?
I've just had an email from "Stronger in Europe" urging me to send an e-card to my grandmother(s) to urge them to vote Remain.
One of my grandmothers died in 1937, the other in 1988.
It's nearly as bad as Goldsmith's Tamil campaign!
Do you think they maintain a database of those with grandmothers, and they made a mistake, or they just sent out a generic email in the hope that some would?
I've just had an email from "Stronger in Europe" urging me to send an e-card to my grandmother(s) to urge them to vote Remain.
One of my grandmothers died in 1937, the other in 1988.
It's nearly as bad as Goldsmith's Tamil campaign!
Do you think they maintain a database of those with grandmothers, and they made a mistake, or they just sent out a generic email in the hope that some would?
I think it's just an assumption that no-one who subscribes to Stronger In DOESN'T have living grandparents.
I cannot see the mechanism for McDonnell to become leader. He would fail to get the parliamentary nomination threshold, and I am not convinced he would win the members vote if he did. He is much better presented than Jezza but that loses him the slightly otherworldly dreamer vote without compensatory gains.
The mechanics of Corbyn stepping down and a leadership election are worth several posts on their own.
1. Will he stand down without a clear successor such as McDonnell being in place to succeed? 2. Will the PLP have the guts and discipline to keep that successor or equally unelectable hard lefty off the ballot of the members? 3. Will someone vaguely acceptable to the general public end up on the ballot? 4. Will the collective voice of the membership prioritise the gaining of power and electability over ideological purity, after a decade of opposition? BUT Will Corbyn change the rules at Conference, perhaps to allow members a part in the nomination process, designed to prevent (2) happening?
It will take an election defeat for the members to pick someone electable like Chuka Umunna just as it took an election defeat for Tory members to pick Cameron. Labour members made their choice last year, they want a leftwinger to lead them in 2020 and only a high-profile leftwinger like McDonnell can realistically replace Corbyn just as Tory members made clear in 2001 they wanted a rightwinger to lead them in 2005 and only a high profile rightwinger like Howard could replace IDS
If Leave could just manage 2 vaguely competent days in a row without some idiot saying something stupid who knows what could happen? We probably never will because I fear it will not happen.
Let us throw the ordure of derision at our silly, lying, ludicrous and now abjectly terrified politicians
It's an online poll which like all online polls seem to be biased towards Leave. No great change - Remain will still win comfortably by about 10-15 points.
How do you get from a 1% lead in the polls to 10-15 points?
You are speaking from the point of view of a right wing Tory, your opinion is about as useful as asking a leftwing Labour voter about Michael Howard, they would associate him with the poll tax and section 28 as much as you associate McDonnell with terrorists. I never said he was a great vote winner but neither was Howard, both however brought a bit more heft to the leadership. McDonnell has only tried once for the leadership, in 2007, just as Howard tried once in 1997, Howard came last, it was being Shadow Chancellor and on the same wing as the incumbent which gave/give both their chance
Howard had served in three different Cabinet roles - including the Home Office. McDonnell has nothing even close to that on his CV. There is no equivalence between their careers at all.
And there is no equivalence at all between policies such as the Community Charge and Section 28 and McDonnell's relationship with those who use terror as a weapon on the streets of Britain and beyond.
And I am very far from being a right wing anything. I have never been a member of any party and have a mixed voting record.
McDonnell has been an MP for almost 20 years, Howard had been an MP for 22 years when he became leader, in any case whether they were in the Cabinet a decade ago was irrelevant it was whether they were a prominent Shadow Cabinet figure when the leader was replaced that was key, Howard was, McDonnell is.
I am afraid you are once again speaking as a rightwinger (regardless of what you say I cannot see you voting for Labour and certainly not non-Blair Labour) leftwingers would equate Section 28 and negative teaching of homosexuality in schools and the poll tax with an association with 'terrorists' who have now been welcomed to No 10 and met the Queen
Left wingers might see moral equivalence. The average voter won't.
You are speaking from the point of view of a right wing Tory, your opinion is about as useful as asking a leftwing Labour voter about Michael Howard, they would associate him with the poll tax and section 28 as much as you associate McDonnell with terrorists. I never said he was a great vote winner but neither was Howard, both however brought a bit more heft to the leadership. McDonnell has only tried once for the leadership, in 2007, just as Howard tried once in 1997, Howard came last, it was being Shadow Chancellor and on the same wing as the incumbent which gave/give both their chance
Howard had served in three different Cabinet roles - including the Home Office. McDonnell has nothing even close to that on his CV. There is no equivalence between their careers at all.
And there is no equivalence at all between policies such as the Community Charge and Section 28 and McDonnell's relationship with those who use terror as a weapon on the streets of Britain and beyond.
And I am very far from being a right wing anything. I have never been a member of any party and have a mixed voting record.
McDonnell has been an MP for almost 20 years, Howard had been an MP for 22 years when he became leader, in any case whether they were in the Cabinet a decade ago was irrelevant it was whether they were a prominent Shadow Cabinet figure when the leader was replaced that was key, Howard was, McDonnell is.
I am afraid you are once again speaking as a rightwinger (regardless of what you say I cannot see you voting for Labour and certainly not non-Blair Labour) leftwingers would equate Section 28 and negative teaching of homosexuality in schools and the poll tax with an association with 'terrorists' who have now been welcomed to No 10 and met the Queen
Left wingers might see moral equivalence. The average voter won't.
Where's the evidence? I like evidence before betting. PB is a certain kind of echo chamber that tolerates some very odd rhetoric at times. It doesn't count.
Let us throw the ordure of derision at our silly, lying, ludicrous and now abjectly terrified politicians
It's an online poll which like all online polls seem to be biased towards Leave. No great change - Remain will still win comfortably by about 10-15 points.
How do you get from a 1% lead in the polls to 10-15 points?
Because there are polls that show Remain with much more substantiate leads than 1%
You are speaking from the point of view of a right wing Tory, your opinion is about as useful as asking a leftwing Labour voter about Michael Howard, they would associate him with the poll tax and section 28 as much as you associate McDonnell with terrorists. I never said he was a great vote winner but neither was Howard, both however brought a bit more heft to the leadership. McDonnell has only tried once for the leadership, in 2007, just as Howard tried once in 1997, Howard came last, it was being Shadow Chancellor and on the same wing as the incumbent which gave/give both their chance
Howard had served in three different Cabinet roles - including the Home Office. McDonnell has nothing even close to that on his CV. There is no equivalence between their careers at all.
And there is no equivalence at all between policies such as the Community Charge and Section 28 and McDonnell's relationship with those who use terror as a weapon on the streets of Britain and beyond.
And I am very far from being a right wing anything. I have never been a member of any party and have a mixed voting record.
McDonnell has been an MP for almost 20 years, Howard had been an MP for 22 years when he became leader, in any case whether they were in the Cabinet a decade ago was irrelevant it was whether they were a prominent Shadow Cabinet figure when the leader was replaced that was key, Howard was, McDonnell is.
I am afraid you are once again speaking as a rightwinger (regardless of what you say I cannot see you voting for Labour and certainly not non-Blair Labour) leftwingers would equate Section 28 and negative teaching of homosexuality in schools and the poll tax with an association with 'terrorists' who have now been welcomed to No 10 and met the Queen
Left wingers might see moral equivalence. The average voter won't.
This is why The Tories are hoping McDonnell replace Corbyn, he's a different level of unelectability to Corbyn
Let us throw the ordure of derision at our silly, lying, ludicrous and now abjectly terrified politicians
It's an online poll which like all online polls seem to be biased towards Leave. No great change - Remain will still win comfortably by about 10-15 points.
How do you get from a 1% lead in the polls to 10-15 points?
Because there are polls that show Remain with much more substantiate leads than 1%
But, that means discounting the polls that tell you a message you don't want to hear. Which must be unwise.
You are speaking from the point of view of a right wing Tory, your opinion is about as useful as asking a leftwing Labour voter about Michael Howard, they would associate him with the poll tax and section 28 as much as you associate McDonnell with terrorists. I never said he was a great vote winner but neither was Howard, both however brought a bit more heft to the leadership. McDonnell has only tried once for the leadership, in 2007, just as Howard tried once in 1997, Howard came last, it was being Shadow Chancellor and on the same wing as the incumbent which gave/give both their chance
Howard had served in three different Cabinet roles - including the Home Office. McDonnell has nothing even close to that on his CV. There is no equivalence between their careers at all.
And there is no equivalence at all between policies such as the Community Charge and Section 28 and McDonnell's relationship with those who use terror as a weapon on the streets of Britain and beyond.
And I am very far from being a right wing anything. I have never been a member of any party and have a mixed voting record.
McDonnell has been an MP for almost 20 years, Howard had been an MP for 22 years when he became leader, in any case whether they were in the Cabinet a decade ago was irrelevant it was whether they were a prominent Shadow Cabinet figure when the leader was replaced that was key, Howard was, McDonnell is.
I am afraid you are once again speaking as a rightwinger (regardless of what you say I cannot see you voting for Labour and certainly not non-Blair Labour) leftwingers would equate Section 28 and negative teaching of homosexuality in schools and the poll tax with an association with 'terrorists' who have now been welcomed to No 10 and met the Queen
Left wingers might see moral equivalence. The average voter won't.
The average voter also rejected Howard in 2005, I never said McDonnell was an election winner, just he could be Howard to Corbyn's IDS!
You are speaking from the point of view of a right wing Tory, your opinion is about as useful as asking a leftwing Labour voter about Michael Howard, they would associate him with the poll tax and section 28 as much as you associate McDonnell with terrorists. I never said he was a great vote winner but neither was Howard, both however brought a bit more heft to the leadership. McDonnell has only tried once for the leadership, in 2007, just as Howard tried once in 1997, Howard came last, it was being Shadow Chancellor and on the same wing as the incumbent which gave/give both their chance
Howard had served in three different Cabinet roles - including the Home Office. McDonnell has nothing even close to that on his CV. There is no equivalence between their careers at all.
And there is no equivalence at all between policies such as the Community Charge and Section 28 and McDonnell's relationship with those who use terror as a weapon on the streets of Britain and beyond.
And I am very far from being a right wing anything. I have never been a member of any party and have a mixed voting record.
McDonnell has been an MP for almost 20 years, Howard had been an MP for 22 years when he became leader, in any case whether they were in the Cabinet a decade ago was irrelevant it was whether they were a prominent Shadow Cabinet figure when the leader was replaced that was key, Howard was, McDonnell is.
I am afraid you are once again speaking as a rightwinger (regardless of what you say I cannot see you voting for Labour and certainly not non-Blair Labour) leftwingers would equate Section 28 and negative teaching of homosexuality in schools and the poll tax with an association with 'terrorists' who have now been welcomed to No 10 and met the Queen
Left wingers might see moral equivalence. The average voter won't.
Where's the evidence? I like evidence before betting. PB is a certain kind of echo chamber that tolerates some very odd rhetoric at times. It doesn't count.
Just my judgement that supporting the IRA is not a popular position with the British public. Feel free to disagree.
Let us throw the ordure of derision at our silly, lying, ludicrous and now abjectly terrified politicians
It's an online poll which like all online polls seem to be biased towards Leave. No great change - Remain will still win comfortably by about 10-15 points.
How do you get from a 1% lead in the polls to 10-15 points?
Because there are polls that show Remain with much more substantiate leads than 1%
But, that means discounting the polls that tell you a message you don't want to hear. Which must be unwise.
Nah, it means looking at polls as a whole, and looking at the underlying patterns.
You do have to wonder that the recover in the Opinium poll in the conservative vote (38) +5 and labour down to 30 is a general perception that chaos reigns and that the conservatives are the safe haven, notwithstanding the referendum. Indeed the way the referendum is going I would expect a big move to vote for no change (remain) much nearer the time due to the chaotic nature of today's politics. I assume this poll was before Livingstone shredded labour
Let us throw the ordure of derision at our silly, lying, ludicrous and now abjectly terrified politicians
It's an online poll which like all online polls seem to be biased towards Leave. No great change - Remain will still win comfortably by about 10-15 points.
How do you get from a 1% lead in the polls to 10-15 points?
Because there are polls that show Remain with much more substantiate leads than 1%
But, that means discounting the polls that tell you a message you don't want to hear. Which must be unwise.
Nah, it means looking at polls as a whole, and looking at the underlying patterns.
That worked so well this time last year, didn't it?
You are speaking from the point of view of a right wing Tory, your opinion is about as useful as asking a leftwing Labour voter about Michael Howard, they would associate him with the poll tax and section 28 as much as you associate McDonnell with terrorists. I never said he was a great vote winner but neither was Howard, both however brought a bit more heft to the leadership. McDonnell has only tried once for the leadership, in 2007, just as Howard tried once in 1997, Howard came last, it was being Shadow Chancellor and on the same wing as the incumbent which gave/give both their chance
Howard had served in three different Cabinet roles - including the Home Office. McDonnell has nothing even close to that on his CV. There is no equivalence between their careers at all.
And there is no equivalence at all between policies such as the Community Charge and Section 28 and McDonnell's relationship with those who use terror as a weapon on the streets of Britain and beyond.
And I am very far from being a right wing anything. I have never been a member of any party and have a mixed voting record.
McDonnell has been an MP for almost 20 years, Howard had been an MP for 22 years when he became leader, in any case whether they were in the Cabinet a decade ago was irrelevant it was whether they were a prominent Shadow Cabinet figure when the leader was replaced that was key, Howard was, McDonnell is.
I am afraid you are once again speaking as a rightwinger (regardless of what you say I cannot see you voting for Labour and certainly not non-Blair Labour) leftwingers would equate Section 28 and negative teaching of homosexuality in schools and the poll tax with an association with 'terrorists' who have now been welcomed to No 10 and met the Queen
Left wingers might see moral equivalence. The average voter won't.
Where's the evidence? I like evidence before betting. PB is a certain kind of echo chamber that tolerates some very odd rhetoric at times. It doesn't count.
Just my judgement that supporting the IRA is not a popular position with the British public. Feel free to disagree.
One problem for the Left is that the vast majority of the British Press is well over to the right. Listening to people, the situation is more nuanced.
Left wingers might see moral equivalence. The average voter won't.
This is why The Tories are hoping McDonnell replace Corbyn, he's a different level of unelectability to Corbyn
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The Tories may be hoping that, I am not. I am much more afraid of of Mr McDonnell than I am of Mr Corbyn. He is in a different class and I wouldn't be too sure about his unelectability. Much more dangerous than Mr Corbyn.
Let us throw the ordure of derision at our silly, lying, ludicrous and now abjectly terrified politicians
It's an online poll which like all online polls seem to be biased towards Leave. No great change - Remain will still win comfortably by about 10-15 points.
How do you get from a 1% lead in the polls to 10-15 points?
Because there are polls that show Remain with much more substantiate leads than 1%
But, that means discounting the polls that tell you a message you don't want to hear. Which must be unwise.
Nah, it means looking at polls as a whole, and looking at the underlying patterns.
That worked so well this time last year, didn't it?
Which is something I'm covering in the morning thread and possibly the afternoon thread too.
Let us throw the ordure of derision at our silly, lying, ludicrous and now abjectly terrified politicians
It's an online poll which like all online polls seem to be biased towards Leave. No great change - Remain will still win comfortably by about 10-15 points.
How do you get from a 1% lead in the polls to 10-15 points?
Let us throw the ordure of derision at our silly, lying, ludicrous and now abjectly terrified politicians
It's an online poll which like all online polls seem to be biased towards Leave. No great change - Remain will still win comfortably by about 10-15 points.
How do you get from a 1% lead in the polls to 10-15 points?
Because there are polls that show Remain with much more substantiate leads than 1%
But, that means discounting the polls that tell you a message you don't want to hear. Which must be unwise.
Nah, it means looking at polls as a whole, and looking at the underlying patterns.
Let us throw the ordure of derision at our silly, lying, ludicrous and now abjectly terrified politicians
It's an online poll which like all online polls seem to be biased towards Leave. No great change - Remain will still win comfortably by about 10-15 points.
How do you get from a 1% lead in the polls to 10-15 points?
Because there are polls that show Remain with much more substantiate leads than 1%
But, that means discounting the polls that tell you a message you don't want to hear. Which must be unwise.
Nah, it means looking at polls as a whole, and looking at the underlying patterns.
On that basis, Remain have a narrow lead.
I will say Leave do have some people who are going out of their way to ensure Remain wins, which is good for Remain.
I cannot see the mechanism for McDonnell to become leader. He would fail to get the parliamentary nomination threshold, and I am not convinced he would win the members vote if he did. He is much better presented than Jezza but that loses him the slightly otherworldly dreamer vote without compensatory gains.
The mechanics of Corbyn stepping down and a leadership election are worth several posts on their own.
1. Will he stand down without a clear successor such as McDonnell being in place to succeed? 2. Will the PLP have the guts and discipline to keep that successor or equally unelectable hard lefty off the ballot of the members? 3. Will someone vaguely acceptable to the general public end up on the ballot? 4. Will the collective voice of the membership prioritise the gaining of power and electability over ideological purity, after a decade of opposition? BUT Will Corbyn change the rules at Conference, perhaps to allow members a part in the nomination process, designed to prevent (2) happening?
It will take an election defeat for the members to pick someone electable like Chuka Umunna just as it took an election defeat for Tory members to pick Cameron. Labour members made their choice last year, they want a leftwinger to lead them in 2020 and only a high-profile leftwinger like McDonnell can realistically replace Corbyn just as Tory members made clear in 2001 they wanted a rightwinger to lead them in 2005 and only a high profile rightwinger like Howard could replace IDS
But Umunna might have won last time had he simply had the spheroids to stand and where would Labour be now with him as leader? In a word ..... ahead.
Let us throw the ordure of derision at our silly, lying, ludicrous and now abjectly terrified politicians
It's an online poll which like all online polls seem to be biased towards Leave. No great change - Remain will still win comfortably by about 10-15 points.
How do you get from a 1% lead in the polls to 10-15 points?
Because there are polls that show Remain with much more substantiate leads than 1%
But, that means discounting the polls that tell you a message you don't want to hear. Which must be unwise.
Nah, it means looking at polls as a whole, and looking at the underlying patterns.
On that basis, Remain have a narrow lead.
I will say Leave do have some people who are going out of their way to ensure Remain wins, which is good for Remain.
Yes I'm looking at you Arron Banks.
Arron Banks is indeed a liability. But, the reverse is also true.
Let us throw the ordure of derision at our silly, lying, ludicrous and now abjectly terrified politicians
It's an online poll which like all online polls seem to be biased towards Leave. No great change - Remain will still win comfortably by about 10-15 points.
How do you get from a 1% lead in the polls to 10-15 points?
Because there are polls that show Remain with much more substantiate leads than 1%
But, that means discounting the polls that tell you a message you don't want to hear. Which must be unwise.
Nah, it means looking at polls as a whole, and looking at the underlying patterns.
On that basis, Remain have a narrow lead.
I will say Leave do have some people who are going out of their way to ensure Remain wins, which is good for Remain.
Yes I'm looking at you Arron Banks.
Arron Banks is indeed a liability. But, the reverse is also true.
Since Lord Rose made his gaffe, Remain have locked him in a cupboard.
The referendum poll is hardly newsworthy (nor will any until the campaigns begin in earnest in mid May) but Labour self-immolating a week before the May 5th elections could be highly significant. I doubt Khan is in trouble, but Labour losses elsewhere could suddenly be in the hundreds and that will have its own cumulative ripple effects.
Sounds like Con need to shore up Jezza's position:
Corbyn won't lead us into the General Election - I doubt that anyone bar the most hardened left nutter thinks he's remotely interested in doing so. He has a political perspective of course but even Corbyn doesn't think Corbyn is the right person to lead it - that's why him becoming get candidate was because it was his turn rather than because he thought it was right.
However, the battle for the soul of the party is heating up. The more that Continuity New Labour scream and thrash about, the more Corbyn will dig in. Remember - CNL is unelectable. Defeated in 2010. Gutted Milliband's leadership to pull us right and defeated in 2015. They think Blair is The Messiah (all kneel and pay him) and that all we need isome to reset the clock back to 2005 and we win. We won't.
So who succeeds Corbyn is the question. He will endorse a candidate I'm sure of that. McDonnell is popular but similarly divisive. Now that CNL are touting the likes of Dan Jorvik that means we should like to Lisa Nandy or Keir Starmer as options.
Corbyn won't lead us into the General Election - I doubt that anyone bar the most hardened left nutter thinks he's remotely interested in doing so. He has a political perspective of course but even Corbyn doesn't think Corbyn is the right person to lead it - that's why him becoming get candidate was because it was his turn rather than because he thought it was right.
However, the battle for the soul of the party is heating up. The more that Continuity New Labour scream and thrash about, the more Corbyn will dig in. Remember - CNL is unelectable. Defeated in 2010. Gutted Milliband's leadership to pull us right and defeated in 2015. They think Blair is The Messiah (all kneel and pay him) and that all we need isome to reset the clock back to 2005 and we win. We won't.
So who succeeds Corbyn is the question. He will endorse a candidate I'm sure of that. McDonnell is popular but similarly divisive. Now that CNL are touting the likes of Dan Jorvik that means we should like to Lisa Nandy or Keir Starmer as options.
Corbyn won't lead us into the General Election - I doubt that anyone bar the most hardened left nutter thinks he's remotely interested in doing so. He has a political perspective of course but even Corbyn doesn't think Corbyn is the right person to lead it - that's why him becoming get candidate was because it was his turn rather than because he thought it was right.
However, the battle for the soul of the party is heating up. The more that Continuity New Labour scream and thrash about, the more Corbyn will dig in. Remember - CNL is unelectable. Defeated in 2010. Gutted Milliband's leadership to pull us right and defeated in 2015. They think Blair is The Messiah (all kneel and pay him) and that all we need isome to reset the clock back to 2005 and we win. We won't.
So who succeeds Corbyn is the question. He will endorse a candidate I'm sure of that. McDonnell is popular but similarly divisive. Now that CNL are touting the likes of Dan Jorvik that means we should like to Lisa Nandy or Keir Starmer as options.
Neither Nandy or Starmer have a big enough profile to take over midterm
I cannot see the mechanism for McDonnell to become leader. He would fail to get the parliamentary nomination threshold, and I am not convinced he would win the members vote if he did. He is much better presented than Jezza but that loses him the slightly otherworldly dreamer vote without compensatory gains.
The mechanics of Corbyn stepping down and a leadership election are worth several posts on their own.
1. Will he stand down without a clear successor such as McDonnell being in place to succeed? 2. Will the PLP have the guts and discipline to keep that successor or equally unelectable hard lefty off the ballot of the members? 3. Will someone vaguely acceptable to the general public end up on the ballot? 4. Will the collective voice of the membership prioritise the gaining of power and electability over ideological purity, after a decade of opposition? BUT Will Corbyn change the rules at Conference, perhaps to allow members a part in the nomination process, designed to prevent (2) happening?
It will take an election defeat for the members to pick someone electable like Chuka Umunna just as it took an election defeat for Tory members to pick Cameron. Labour members made their choice last year, they want a leftwinger to lead them in 2020 and only a high-profile leftwinger like McDonnell can realistically replace Corbyn just as Tory members made clear in 2001 they wanted a rightwinger to lead them in 2005 and only a high profile rightwinger like Howard could replace IDS
But Umunna might have won last time had he simply had the spheroids to stand and where would Labour be now with him as leader? In a word ..... ahead.
Indeed another five years and another general election loss later and he should be ready as should Labour
I've just had an email from "Stronger in Europe" urging me to send an e-card to my grandmother(s) to urge them to vote Remain.
One of my grandmothers died in 1937, the other in 1988.
It's nearly as bad as Goldsmith's Tamil campaign!
Apparently Goldsmith's had another feck up today.
He was saying he was a big fan of Bollywood films, he was then asked which was his favourite Bollywood film, awkward silence.
What a tool, he should have said 'Sholay', the finest Bollywood film ever made.
Mother India... Pather Panchali perhaps.
Not sure you can call Pather Panchali a Bollywood film.
"[The Apu Trilogy] are today frequently listed among the greatest films of all time and are often cited as the greatest movies in the history of Indian cinema.[5]"
Corbyn won't lead us into the General Election - I doubt that anyone bar the most hardened left nutter thinks he's remotely interested in doing so. He has a political perspective of course but even Corbyn doesn't think Corbyn is the right person to lead it - that's why him becoming get candidate was because it was his turn rather than because he thought it was right.
However, the battle for the soul of the party is heating up. The more that Continuity New Labour scream and thrash about, the more Corbyn will dig in. Remember - CNL is unelectable. Defeated in 2010. Gutted Milliband's leadership to pull us right and defeated in 2015. They think Blair is The Messiah (all kneel and pay him) and that all we need isome to reset the clock back to 2005 and we win. We won't.
So who succeeds Corbyn is the question. He will endorse a candidate I'm sure of that. McDonnell is popular but similarly divisive. Now that CNL are touting the likes of Dan Jorvik that means we should like to Lisa Nandy or Keir Starmer as options.
Corbyn won't lead us into the General Election - I doubt that anyone bar the most hardened left nutter thinks he's remotely interested in doing so. He has a political perspective of course but even Corbyn doesn't think Corbyn is the right person to lead it - that's why him becoming get candidate was because it was his turn rather than because he thought it was right.
However, the battle for the soul of the party is heating up. The more that Continuity New Labour scream and thrash about, the more Corbyn will dig in. Remember - CNL is unelectable. Defeated in 2010. Gutted Milliband's leadership to pull us right and defeated in 2015. They think Blair is The Messiah (all kneel and pay him) and that all we need isome to reset the clock back to 2005 and we win. We won't.
So who succeeds Corbyn is the question. He will endorse a candidate I'm sure of that. McDonnell is popular but similarly divisive. Now that CNL are touting the likes of Dan Jorvik that means we should like to Lisa Nandy or Keir Starmer as options.
Neither Nandy or Starmer have a big enough profile to take over midterm
Starmer could be an interesting choice. He is as close as Labour have to a clean skin, has valuable experience outside the political machine. Looks Prime Ministerial and politically moderate. 14/1 might have some value?
Nandy is way too lightweight and very young at 36. Maybe in 10 years' time.
Corbyn won't lead us into the General Election - I doubt that anyone bar the most hardened left nutter thinks he's remotely interested in doing so. He has a political perspective of course but even Corbyn doesn't think Corbyn is the right person to lead it - that's why him becoming get candidate was because it was his turn rather than because he thought it was right.
However, the battle for the soul of the party is heating up. The more that Continuity New Labour scream and thrash about, the more Corbyn will dig in. Remember - CNL is unelectable. Defeated in 2010. Gutted Milliband's leadership to pull us right and defeated in 2015. They think Blair is The Messiah (all kneel and pay him) and that all we need isome to reset the clock back to 2005 and we win. We won't.
So who succeeds Corbyn is the question. He will endorse a candidate I'm sure of that. McDonnell is popular but similarly divisive. Now that CNL are touting the likes of Dan Jorvik that means we should like to Lisa Nandy or Keir Starmer as options.
Corbyn won't lead us into the General Election - I doubt that anyone bar the most hardened left nutter thinks he's remotely interested in doing so. He has a political perspective of course but even Corbyn doesn't think Corbyn is the right person to lead it - that's why him becoming get candidate was because it was his turn rather than because he thought it was right.
However, the battle for the soul of the party is heating up. The more that Continuity New Labour scream and thrash about, the more Corbyn will dig in. Remember - CNL is unelectable. Defeated in 2010. Gutted Milliband's leadership to pull us right and defeated in 2015. They think Blair is The Messiah (all kneel and pay him) and that all we need isome to reset the clock back to 2005 and we win. We won't.
So who succeeds Corbyn is the question. He will endorse a candidate I'm sure of that. McDonnell is popular but similarly divisive. Now that CNL are touting the likes of Dan Jorvik that means we should like to Lisa Nandy or Keir Starmer as options.
Neither Nandy or Starmer have a big enough profile to take over midterm
Starmer could be an interesting choice. He is as close as Labour have to a clean skin, has valuable experience outside the political machine. 14/1 might have some value?
Nandy is way too lightweight and very young at 36. Maybe in 10 years' time.
I've just had an email from "Stronger in Europe" urging me to send an e-card to my grandmother(s) to urge them to vote Remain.
One of my grandmothers died in 1937, the other in 1988.
It's nearly as bad as Goldsmith's Tamil campaign!
Apparently Goldsmith's had another feck up today.
He was saying he was a big fan of Bollywood films, he was then asked which was his favourite Bollywood film, awkward silence.
What a tool, he should have said 'Sholay', the finest Bollywood film ever made.
Mother India... Pather Panchali perhaps.
Not sure you can call Pather Panchali a Bollywood film.
"[The Apu Trilogy] are today frequently listed among the greatest films of all time and are often cited as the greatest movies in the history of Indian cinema.[5]"
I've just had an email from "Stronger in Europe" urging me to send an e-card to my grandmother(s) to urge them to vote Remain.
One of my grandmothers died in 1937, the other in 1988.
It's nearly as bad as Goldsmith's Tamil campaign!
Apparently Goldsmith's had another feck up today.
He was saying he was a big fan of Bollywood films, he was then asked which was his favourite Bollywood film, awkward silence.
What a tool, he should have said 'Sholay', the finest Bollywood film ever made.
Mother India... Pather Panchali perhaps.
Not sure you can call Pather Panchali a Bollywood film.
"[The Apu Trilogy] are today frequently listed among the greatest films of all time and are often cited as the greatest movies in the history of Indian cinema.[5]"
If Tories have 8 point lead across GB, the lead in England will be more, say 11. Blues are 8 to 13% behind in London typically. I wonder what the figures are in London. Tories behind 5% at most? Labour fear a low turn out too.
GE 2015 was a 7% lead across GB and London was a 8.8% Lab lead.
Corbyn won't lead us into the General Election - I doubt that anyone bar the most hardened left nutter thinks he's remotely interested in doing so. He has a political perspective of course but even Corbyn doesn't think Corbyn is the right person to lead it - that's why him becoming get candidate was because it was his turn rather than because he thought it was right.
However, the battle for the soul of the party is heating up. The more that Continuity New Labour scream and thrash about, the more Corbyn will dig in. Remember - CNL is unelectable. Defeated in 2010. Gutted Milliband's leadership to pull us right and defeated in 2015. They think Blair is The Messiah (all kneel and pay him) and that all we need isome to reset the clock back to 2005 and we win. We won't.
So who succeeds Corbyn is the question. He will endorse a candidate I'm sure of that. McDonnell is popular but similarly divisive. Now that CNL are touting the likes of Dan Jorvik that means we should like to Lisa Nandy or Keir Starmer as options.
Corbyn won't lead us into the General Election - I doubt that anyone bar the most hardened left nutter thinks he's remotely interested in doing so. He has a political perspective of course but even Corbyn doesn't think Corbyn is the right person to lead it - that's why him becoming get candidate was because it was his turn rather than because he thought it was right.
However, the battle for the soul of the party is heating up. The more that Continuity New Labour scream and thrash about, the more Corbyn will dig in. Remember - CNL is unelectable. Defeated in 2010. Gutted Milliband's leadership to pull us right and defeated in 2015. They think Blair is The Messiah (all kneel and pay him) and that all we need isome to reset the clock back to 2005 and we win. We won't.
So who succeeds Corbyn is the question. He will endorse a candidate I'm sure of that. McDonnell is popular but similarly divisive. Now that CNL are touting the likes of Dan Jorvik that means we should like to Lisa Nandy or Keir Starmer as options.
Neither Nandy or Starmer have a big enough profile to take over midterm
Starmer could be an interesting choice. He is as close as Labour have to a clean skin, has valuable experience outside the political machine. 14/1 might have some value?
Nandy is way too lightweight and very young at 36. Maybe in 10 years' time.
Starmer needs a big Shadow Cabinet job first
Normally I would agree with you. But these aren't normal times. The only other contender with major experience would be Tom Watson. As elected deputy Corbyn can't fire him either.
If Tories have 8 point lead across GB, the lead in England will be more, say 11. Blues are 8 to 13% behind in London typically. I wonder what the figures are in London. Tories behind 5% at most? Labour fear a low turn out too.
GE 2015 was a 7% lead across GB and London was a 8.8% Lab lead.
Probably even higher now? London loves it some Corbyn.
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Just noted the shocking news that @Charles has been resettled in the ghetto of NW8 !! .... I don't think I could have been more shocked if @MikeK had moved to Islington and become the Chief Iman of the Finsbury Park Mosque.
In other news Tim Farron is mobbed by an adoring public in Glasgow with a supplicant @malcolmg throwing tribute turnips at the LibDem leaders triumphant chariot ....
Last poll a huge outlier?
It would be such a wonderful rebuff for the Establishment.
But that isn't a very good reason to vote for Leave.
After the week Labour have had, this poll isn't surprising
Although I’m at a loss as to why there is such a jump.
This is a 2.5% swing to Remain
And there is no equivalence at all between policies such as the Community Charge and Section 28 and McDonnell's relationship with those who use terror as a weapon on the streets of Britain and beyond.
And I am very far from being a right wing anything. I have never been a member of any party and have a mixed voting record.
And I would suspect this is before Ken turning the Labour Party in the new Nazi Party has really registered.
In all seriousness, it is regression to the mean isn't it. After all the poor headline for Cameron and his tax stuff etc, we now back to usual i.e. Corbyn Labour Party a PR disaster.
I cannot see the mechanism for McDonnell to become leader. He would fail to get the parliamentary nomination threshold, and I am not convinced he would win the members vote if he did. He is much better presented than Jezza but that loses him the slightly otherworldly dreamer vote without compensatory gains.
Tories For Corbyn?
@Patrick said "It is the finest of reasons."
@OldKingCole said "Cutting off nose to spite face comes to mind!"
I agree with both of you.
She's the favourite to replace Corbyn, and he's massively odds on to be gone before the GE.
Not sure I agree, but not sure I want to commit the Omnium funds otherwise.
Omnium funds have however slightly moved towards leave tonight.
I still don't know how I'll vote mind you!
I am afraid you are once again speaking as a rightwinger (regardless of what you say I cannot see you voting for Labour and certainly not non-Blair Labour) leftwingers would equate Section 28 and negative teaching of homosexuality in schools and the poll tax with an association with 'terrorists' who have now been welcomed to No 10 and met the Queen
We've just completed a mammouth 6 hour final canvass (been out almost every day for the last 3 weeks) for the locals. Leafy Surrey area but far from hideously opulent. Perhaps 10 or so people have raised the referendum spontaneously on the doorste, and almost all were Leavers. But today, two raised the subject: one an ex teacher, Cons, strong remain; the other WWC (no party allegiance) who I was convinced would be an implacible out man, but no, he said on balance, not sure about the risk, and would vote In. Interesting.
1. Will he stand down without a clear successor such as McDonnell being in place to succeed?
2. Will the PLP have the guts and discipline to keep that successor or equally unelectable hard lefty off the ballot of the members?
3. Will someone vaguely acceptable to the general public end up on the ballot?
4. Will the collective voice of the membership prioritise the gaining of power and electability over ideological purity, after a decade of opposition?
BUT
Will Corbyn change the rules at Conference, perhaps to allow members a part in the nomination process, designed to prevent (2) happening?
One of my grandmothers died in 1937, the other in 1988.
It's nearly as bad as Goldsmith's Tamil campaign!
He was saying he was a big fan of Bollywood films, he was then asked which was his favourite Bollywood film, awkward silence.
What a tool, he should have said 'Sholay', the finest Bollywood film ever made.
But hope is not yet extinguished. Result.
PB is a certain kind of echo chamber that tolerates some very odd rhetoric at times. It doesn't count.
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/669998484490162176
PB is a certain kind of echo chamber that tolerates some very odd rhetoric at times. It doesn't count.
Just my judgement that supporting the IRA is not a popular position with the British public. Feel free to disagree.
One problem for the Left is that the vast majority of the British Press is well over to the right. Listening to people, the situation is more nuanced.
10-15% margin - Gut feeling.
Or not vote.
Yes I'm looking at you Arron Banks.
LEAVE = Down Down Deeper and Down ?!?
No one on Leave has done the same re Arron Banks.
However, the battle for the soul of the party is heating up. The more that Continuity New Labour scream and thrash about, the more Corbyn will dig in. Remember - CNL is unelectable. Defeated in 2010. Gutted Milliband's leadership to pull us right and defeated in 2015. They think Blair is The Messiah (all kneel and pay him) and that all we need isome to reset the clock back to 2005 and we win. We won't.
So who succeeds Corbyn is the question. He will endorse a candidate I'm sure of that. McDonnell is popular but similarly divisive. Now that CNL are touting the likes of Dan Jorvik that means we should like to Lisa Nandy or Keir Starmer as options.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apu_Trilogy
Nandy is way too lightweight and very young at 36. Maybe in 10 years' time.
Zac: I'm a big fan of Bollywood films
Reporter: What's your favourite Bollywood film/actor
Zac: Errrr Errr, silence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vViUKsJ42ZM
GE 2015 was a 7% lead across GB and London was a 8.8% Lab lead.
The only other contender with major experience would be Tom Watson. As elected deputy Corbyn can't fire him either.