A further difficulty is everywhere evident but hardly ever discussed. There is a distinction between believing in the value of anti-racism, say, or women’s rights, and defending a marginalised group regardless of what those who purport to speak for it say or do. Bertrand Russell’s “fallacy of the superior virtue of the oppressed” floors you if you cannot grasp it.
What if the oppressed are not virtuous? What if a favoured group is the victim of racism one moment but sexist and homophobic the next? What if the rainbow coalition isn’t a coalition at all, but a collection of people of wildly different interests? What happens, in other words, when the colours of the rainbow clash? The refusal to stick to principle and be against racism whoever the racist is, or be in favour of women’s rights regardless of whether the woman is white, brown or black, accounts for the hysteria on today’s middle-class Left. Feminists are banned as “whorephobes” or “transphobes”. Liberal Asians are derided as “house Muslims” and “native informants”. Jews are baited as “Zios”. Gay men are told they no longer suffer from the right kind of oppression.
Mr McDonnell, sitting alongside Mr Corbyn Labour's front-bench, could be seen nodding along as Mr Cameron spoke. For Labour insiders the brief moment has potentially huge significance. They view it as the "opening salvo" by Mr McDonnell in his bid to eventually succeed Mr Corbyn if Labour MPs attempt a coup.
One insider said: "The moment he said that anyone expressing anti-Semitic views is 'out, out, out', he set an impossibly high bar because he knows that instant expulsion is just not the way the Labour Party works. More importantly, he put a target on Jeremy's back. Who has said the most things over the years that could be interpreted by some as anti-Semitic in sentiment? Jeremy. And John knows this."
A further difficulty is everywhere evident but hardly ever discussed. There is a distinction between believing in the value of anti-racism, say, or women’s rights, and defending a marginalised group regardless of what those who purport to speak for it say or do. Bertrand Russell’s “fallacy of the superior virtue of the oppressed” floors you if you cannot grasp it.
What if the oppressed are not virtuous? What if a favoured group is the victim of racism one moment but sexist and homophobic the next? What if the rainbow coalition isn’t a coalition at all, but a collection of people of wildly different interests? What happens, in other words, when the colours of the rainbow clash? The refusal to stick to principle and be against racism whoever the racist is, or be in favour of women’s rights regardless of whether the woman is white, brown or black, accounts for the hysteria on today’s middle-class Left. Feminists are banned as “whorephobes” or “transphobes”. Liberal Asians are derided as “house Muslims” and “native informants”. Jews are baited as “Zios”. Gay men are told they no longer suffer from the right kind of oppression.
Should we not expect oppression to lead to the oppressed behaving worse than if they were not oppressed?
Labour in Scotland are in a very bad place. For so long they were the establishment here with Labour placemen ensuring that the establishment remained on message. They don't seem to be particularly left wing (1% on IT is about as radical as it gets these days) and far too often finds itself agreeing with the centralising, bureaucratic tendencies of the SNP. People are struggling to find a reason to vote for them instead of the SNP other than some deep rooted habit with the older generation.
The Tories are gaining from this but this should not be overstated. Their appeal is indeed "niche" as Keiran says and there is frankly no conceivable scenario where they form the largest party, let alone the government.
The Scottish Lib Dems are dead. Not worth more words.
So the SNP is left in a one party state situation almost by default. Ruth Davidson is campaigning to be a strong opposition. It is realistic and quite effective pointing out the deficiencies of the Labour opposition over the last 5 years. But how long can this go on? When will it stop? Not in 2016, that is for sure.
'Indeed, I think John Mcdonnell could be Labour's Michael Howard to Corbyn's IDS, from the same wing of the party, both Shadow Chancellor but both more media savvy, intelligent and heavy hitting. Howard did not win but he did ensure the Tories made modest progress in 2005 to set up their future recovery.'
Howard achieved a 3% swing and gained over 30 seats in 2005. If Mcdonnell were to manage that he would make it to No 10!
Let’s imagine for just a moment that a small but vocal section of the left was consumed with hatred for one faraway country: barely an hour could pass without them condemning it, not just for this or for that policy, but for its very existence, for the manner of its birth, for what it represented.
And now let’s imagine that this country was the only place in the world where the majority of the population, and most of the government, were black.
'Indeed, I think John Mcdonnell could be Labour's Michael Howard to Corbyn's IDS, from the same wing of the party, both Shadow Chancellor but both more media savvy, intelligent and heavy hitting. Howard did not win but he did ensure the Tories made modest progress in 2005 to set up their future recovery.'
Howard achieved a 3% swing and gained over 30 seats in 2005. If Mcdonnell were to manage that he would make it to No 10!
McDonnell is no Howard.
Howard might have had something about the night about him. McDonnell has something about the IRA about him.
And I think we all know how the British would react to having a terrorist apologist as a potential PM candidate.
A further difficulty is everywhere evident but hardly ever discussed. There is a distinction between believing in the value of anti-racism, say, or women’s rights, and defending a marginalised group regardless of what those who purport to speak for it say or do. Bertrand Russell’s “fallacy of the superior virtue of the oppressed” floors you if you cannot grasp it.
What if the oppressed are not virtuous? What if a favoured group is the victim of racism one moment but sexist and homophobic the next? What if the rainbow coalition isn’t a coalition at all, but a collection of people of wildly different interests? What happens, in other words, when the colours of the rainbow clash? The refusal to stick to principle and be against racism whoever the racist is, or be in favour of women’s rights regardless of whether the woman is white, brown or black, accounts for the hysteria on today’s middle-class Left. Feminists are banned as “whorephobes” or “transphobes”. Liberal Asians are derided as “house Muslims” and “native informants”. Jews are baited as “Zios”. Gay men are told they no longer suffer from the right kind of oppression.
Should we not expect oppression to lead to the oppressed behaving worse than if they were not oppressed?
Good afternoon all.
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
It is going to take more than that to stick to Teflon Khan at the moment. His constant protestations about any attack on him and his friends being racist is working as a shield. Sadly.
It is going to take more than that to stick to Teflon Khan at the moment. His constant protestations about any attack on him and his friends being racist is working as a shield. Sadly.
The Tories would have burning crosses outside their homes if they'd 1% of this shit on their shoes.
Why does one get the feeling that Guido has something seriously juicy on Khan that's been sold to one of the Sundays for maximum exposure?
He should have got that out last weekend - given the number of postal votes that have been arranged, you need to get your attacks in early. Particularly when those postal votes have been arranged by heads of family....
It is going to take more than that to stick to Teflon Khan at the moment. His constant protestations about any attack on him and his friends being racist is working as a shield. Sadly.
The Tories would have burning crosses outside their homes if they'd 1% of this shit on their shoes.
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
Since most of the Liberal Elite think that marriage is passe´anyway I don't think you have to worry too much. I'm to lazy to look it up but a good percentage of the UK population are now hitching up without the aid of priests.
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
I have utmost respect for polygamists.
I struggle to manage just one wife!
I have a colleague who was in an unhappy marriage. The subject of gay marriage cam up, and he uttered the words:
"Marriage is shit, I don't see why gay people should be exempt."
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
Goodness me, it seems like so long ago that SeanT was railing against Israel as "an apartheid" state...
Erm,
In Sean's defence I seem to remember having a fairly heated argument with him about Israel and the use of white phosphorous weapons at the time - but he has only ever moaned about the state of Israel and its policies. Not even the slightest whiff of anything negative towards the Israeli people or Jews in general. So I think you're shitstirring a bit there Robert.
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
Since most of the Liberal Elite think that marriage is passe´anyway I don't think you have to worry too much. I'm to lazy to look it up but a good percentage of the UK population are now hitching up without the aid of priests.
I'm not sure there's that much a correlation between "member of the Liberal Elite" and "hitched up without the aid of priests".
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
I have utmost respect for polygamists.
I struggle to manage just one wife!
Have you moved into NW8?
2 days ago. Traumatised by living outside Zone 1 for the first time in my life...
Goodness me, it seems like so long ago that SeanT was railing against Israel as "an apartheid" state...
Erm,
In Sean's defence I seem to remember having a fairly heated argument with him about Israel and the use of white phosphorous weapons at the time - but he has only ever moaned about the state of Israel and its policies. Not even the slightest whiff of anything negative towards the Israeli people or Jews in general. So I think you're shitstirring a bit there Robert.
I am indeed. Things have been a little too quiet here for my liking, and tweaking Sean's tail is usually an excellent way of livening things up.
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
I have utmost respect for polygamists.
I struggle to manage just one wife!
Have you moved into NW8?
2 days ago. Traumatised by living outside Zone 1 for the first time in my life...
Don't worry, you'll get used to it. The accents will take a while for you to understand, and people talk a bit slower, but eventually you'll adjust to country life.
(As an aside, there's an excellent playground just opposite Lord's that we should definitely meet at.)
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
I have utmost respect for polygamists.
I struggle to manage just one wife!
I once had a boss who, when he retired, went off to live with his other "wife" that no one knew about. Turned out that for twenty years he had maintained two households just ten miles apart with a wife and children at each without anyone, including either family, knowing or even suspecting. How he managed it and how he afforded it remains a mystery. Though for me the biggest mystery is why he bothered.
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
I have utmost respect for polygamists.
I struggle to manage just one wife!
I once had a boss who, when he retired, went off to live with his other "wife" that no one knew about. Turned out that for twenty years he had maintained two households just ten miles apart with a wife and children at each without anyone, including either family, knowing or even suspecting. How he managed it and how he afforded it remains a mystery. Though for me the biggest mystery is why he bothered.
Every day he must have lived in terror of being caught. And all for what?
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
I have utmost respect for polygamists.
I struggle to manage just one wife!
Have you moved into NW8?
2 days ago. Traumatised by living outside Zone 1 for the first time in my life...
Oh you poor thing. In commiserating with you, tears are starting to form in my eyes.
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
I have utmost respect for polygamists.
I struggle to manage just one wife!
Have you moved into NW8?
2 days ago. Traumatised by living outside Zone 1 for the first time in my life...
Don't worry, you'll get used to it. The accents will take a while for you to understand, and people talk a bit slower, but eventually you'll adjust to country life.
(As an aside, there's an excellent playground just opposite Lord's that we should definitely meet at.)
The yokels locals all seem very nice, though.
Lord's playground sounds like a good idea. Give me a week or so for the dust to settle...
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
I have utmost respect for polygamists.
I struggle to manage just one wife!
Have you moved into NW8?
2 days ago. Traumatised by living outside Zone 1 for the first time in my life...
Oh you poor thing. In commiserating with you, tears are starting to form in my eyes.
The "..." was supposed to indict an amusing aside.
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
I have utmost respect for polygamists.
I struggle to manage just one wife!
Have you moved into NW8?
2 days ago. Traumatised by living outside Zone 1 for the first time in my life...
Don't worry, you'll get used to it. The accents will take a while for you to understand, and people talk a bit slower, but eventually you'll adjust to country life.
(As an aside, there's an excellent playground just opposite Lord's that we should definitely meet at.)
The yokels locals all seem very nice, though.
Lord's playground sounds like a good idea. Give me a week or so for the dust to settle...
Of course, for those of us that live in deepest darkest Zone 2, coming in as far as Lords is an adventure in itself...
"Look David, it's a well-documented fact that there were Zionists serving with the Waffen SS. They wanted Jews to leave Poland, Russia, the Ukraine, and go and live in Palestine. So, they put pressure on them to emigrate from those countries to Palestine."
Hampstead High Street today had three lots of leafleters:
- Conservatives pushing Zac - Labour pushing Khan - and a bunch of bearded men with Better In leaflets
I didn't tell the latter bunch that they are more likely to find bearded ladies than people eligible to vote in the referendum on Hampstead High Street*.
* That's mostly because they are Americans rather than because they are EU immigrants.
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
I have utmost respect for polygamists.
I struggle to manage just one wife!
I once had a boss who, when he retired, went off to live with his other "wife" that no one knew about. Turned out that for twenty years he had maintained two households just ten miles apart with a wife and children at each without anyone, including either family, knowing or even suspecting. How he managed it and how he afforded it remains a mystery. Though for me the biggest mystery is why he bothered.
There was that story in the press recently. Guy in accident, in a coma...Two women turn up at his bedside...and found that he had been running two families for years and years.
I don't think I have ever seen a Labour figure attack a member of his own party in such extreme terms. Normally the best you can get is "we are disappointed about the direction of our party". Its normally the Tories that like to give each other a good kick in the bollocks.
I don't think I have ever seen a Labour figure attack a member of his own party in such extreme terms. Normally the best you can get is "we are disappointed about the direction of our party". Its normally the Tories that like to give each other a good kick in the bollocks.
His Twitter feed is going to get increasingly violent - judging by what is starting to appear there.
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
I have utmost respect for polygamists.
I struggle to manage just one wife!
Have you moved into NW8?
2 days ago. Traumatised by living outside Zone 1 for the first time in my life...
Don't worry, you'll get used to it. The accents will take a while for you to understand, and people talk a bit slower, but eventually you'll adjust to country life.
(As an aside, there's an excellent playground just opposite Lord's that we should definitely meet at.)
The yokels locals all seem very nice, though.
Lord's playground sounds like a good idea. Give me a week or so for the dust to settle...
Of course, for those of us that live in deepest darkest Zone 2, coming in as far as Lords is an adventure in itself...
Technically I am still in Westminster... council tax bill going down when moving to a larger house was a pleasant surprise!
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
I have utmost respect for polygamists.
I struggle to manage just one wife!
I once had a boss who, when he retired, went off to live with his other "wife" that no one knew about. Turned out that for twenty years he had maintained two households just ten miles apart with a wife and children at each without anyone, including either family, knowing or even suspecting. How he managed it and how he afforded it remains a mystery. Though for me the biggest mystery is why he bothered.
I used to work with this guy who eventually got rumbled.
There's only one thing left for Livingstone to do now. A confessional interview where he admits to some inner turmoil, preferably something with a high identity politics victim rating. It will be titled: "My Struggle"
There's only one thing left for Livingstone to do now. A confessional interview where he admits to some inner turmoil, preferably something with a high identity politics victim rating. It will be titled: "My Struggle"
Didn't Ken compare himself to a rape victim yesterday?
Dianne Abbot has to be worried. She must have about a million race, religion and prejudice skeletons in the cupboard. Guido probably has a big file. Didn't she once say black mothers love their kids alot more than white mothers?
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
Since most of the Liberal Elite think that marriage is passe´anyway I don't think you have to worry too much. I'm to lazy to look it up but a good percentage of the UK population are now hitching up without the aid of priests.
I'm not sure there's that much a correlation between "member of the Liberal Elite" and "hitched up without the aid of priests".
I suspect that the main reason many people do not get married is to avoid giving official status to the mother-in-law.
There's only one thing left for Livingstone to do now. A confessional interview where he admits to some inner turmoil, preferably something with a high identity politics victim rating. It will be titled: "My Struggle"
Didn't Ken compare himself to a rape victim yesterday?
That is certainly one way of interpreting his remarks... (the only way, I would argue!)
And there you have it in a nutshell. The Left's utterly perverse fixation with identity politics instead of ability and character. What was it Martin Luther King said?
'I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin, but by the content of their character.'
The Left believe people should be judged by the colour of their skin, not their character.
Dianne Abbot has to be worried. She must have about a million race, religion and prejudice skeletons in the cupboard. Guido probably has a big file. Didn't she once say black mothers love their kids alot more than white mothers?
Black people can't be racist - don't you know that? They are all oppressed - and we all know that the oppressed can do no wrong.
There's only one thing left for Livingstone to do now. A confessional interview where he admits to some inner turmoil, preferably something with a high identity politics victim rating. It will be titled: "My Struggle"
Didn't Ken compare himself to a rape victim yesterday?
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
I have utmost respect for polygamists.
I struggle to manage just one wife!
Have you moved into NW8?
2 days ago. Traumatised by living outside Zone 1 for the first time in my life...
Don't worry, you'll get used to it. The accents will take a while for you to understand, and people talk a bit slower, but eventually you'll adjust to country life.
(As an aside, there's an excellent playground just opposite Lord's that we should definitely meet at.)
The yokels locals all seem very nice, though.
Lord's playground sounds like a good idea. Give me a week or so for the dust to settle...
And don't forget to take a selfie at the Beatles' Abbey Road crossing.
Why does one get the feeling that Guido has something seriously juicy on Khan that's been sold to one of the Sundays for maximum exposure?
He should have got that out last weekend - given the number of postal votes that have been arranged, you need to get your attacks in early. Particularly when those postal votes have been arranged by heads of family....
The, umm, organised postal votes, they're for Khan anyway. Those that will swing (or just not turn up) are the WWC Lab voters. A low turnout could still swing it, 11/1 on Zac still might have a little value to anyone who missed the 16/1 the other day.
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
Since most of the Liberal Elite think that marriage is passe´anyway I don't think you have to worry too much. I'm to lazy to look it up but a good percentage of the UK population are now hitching up without the aid of priests.
I'm not sure there's that much a correlation between "member of the Liberal Elite" and "hitched up without the aid of priests".
I suspect that the main reason many people do not get married is to avoid giving official status to the mother-in-law.
Ha. I managed to avoid MiL problems by finding one who doesn't speak English
There's only one thing left for Livingstone to do now. A confessional interview where he admits to some inner turmoil, preferably something with a high identity politics victim rating. It will be titled: "My Struggle"
Didn't Ken compare himself to a rape victim yesterday?
I think he compared himself to the rape accused, actually.
I have said before on PB that I have myself reached 'Peak Muslim'. Islam has been on display in recent years and it seems there's nothing to like or respect. I said I thought many others were nearly there too. In the UK we've had a shitstorm which has a strong element of Muslim driven hatred and intolerance in the engine room. I note that the AfD in Germany has just announced an overtly anti-Islam manifesto (outright banning of veils, minarets, calls to prayer and the rest). I think the rest of the world has just about had enough too. Watch this space. If the Donald gets elected the space will accelerate. The MSM / SJW crowd will say this is a historic tragedy. Polling will suggest Joe Blow is very happy with it.
"Look David, it's a well-documented fact that there were Zionists serving with the Waffen SS. They wanted Jews to leave Poland, Russia, the Ukraine, and go and live in Palestine. So, they put pressure on them to emigrate from those countries to Palestine."
The evidence from academic historians that Ken is completely wrong on his views of Zionism and Nazi are best summed up by these introductory paragraphs by Francis Nicosia, author of Zionism and Anti-Semitism in Nazi Germany (Cambridge Uni Press) (page 2-3):
"...lest the reader imagine that the purpose of a study such as this is to somehow equate Zionism and National Socialism, Zionists with Nazis, or to portray that relationship as a willing and collaborative one between moral and political equals. The research, analysis, and conclusions contained in these pages do not in any way support such notions.
The existence of certain common assumptions on the part of Zionists on the one hand, and nationalist and anti-Semitic Germans on the the other, does not in any way connote moral and/or political equivalence. Rather they demonstrate the… political realities of the times.”
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
I have utmost respect for polygamists.
I struggle to manage just one wife!
I once had a boss who, when he retired, went off to live with his other "wife" that no one knew about. Turned out that for twenty years he had maintained two households just ten miles apart with a wife and children at each without anyone, including either family, knowing or even suspecting. How he managed it and how he afforded it remains a mystery. Though for me the biggest mystery is why he bothered.
Every day he must have lived in terror of being caught. And all for what?
What's the word for having just one wife? Ah, yes ... monotony!
It is going to take more than that to stick to Teflon Khan at the moment. His constant protestations about any attack on him and his friends being racist is working as a shield. Sadly.
The Tories would have burning crosses outside their homes if they'd 1% of this shit on their shoes.
There's only one thing left for Livingstone to do now. A confessional interview where he admits to some inner turmoil, preferably something with a high identity politics victim rating. It will be titled: "My Struggle"
If it's really popular, it would get translated into lots of languages, French, German, etc
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
I have utmost respect for polygamists.
I struggle to manage just one wife!
I once had a boss who, when he retired, went off to live with his other "wife" that no one knew about. Turned out that for twenty years he had maintained two households just ten miles apart with a wife and children at each without anyone, including either family, knowing or even suspecting. How he managed it and how he afforded it remains a mystery. Though for me the biggest mystery is why he bothered.
Every day he must have lived in terror of being caught. And all for what?
What's the word for having just one wife? Ah, yes ... monotony!
Solid monogamy went out of fashion years ago. You just need a veneer of monogamy.
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
I'm not sure what's wrong with a man having more than one wife. (Or a wife having more than one husband.)
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
I have utmost respect for polygamists.
I struggle to manage just one wife!
Closing time is when men with wives to go back to, and men with no wives to go back to, start feeling sorry for each other.
Of course the number of wives/ husband (or vice versa) depends on the society. If you live in a society where regularly your fittest and most virile men get killed then there obviously must be allowances to keep the population at least stable and preferably growing.
Heinlein wrote "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" where the number of male deportees far exceeded those of female - and the society evolved into a 'troika' 2 men for every woman as being the most common family unit.
Why the hell does she stay in such a party? ttps://twitter.com/IsraelNewsNow/status/726437497694085121
If the Lib Dems have any sense they will be courting her and any other Lab MPs who feel more and more disgusted by their party in the past few days weeks months.
Undefined discussion subject.
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Thanks also to PBers for the many interesting & thoughtful comments in response to the article. I'm still wading my way through them.
What does the parliament do...it bangs desks.
Understand? Perhaps.
Condone? Never.
Do you have to be saintly because I oppress you?
The Tories are gaining from this but this should not be overstated. Their appeal is indeed "niche" as Keiran says and there is frankly no conceivable scenario where they form the largest party, let alone the government.
The Scottish Lib Dems are dead. Not worth more words.
So the SNP is left in a one party state situation almost by default. Ruth Davidson is campaigning to be a strong opposition. It is realistic and quite effective pointing out the deficiencies of the Labour opposition over the last 5 years. But how long can this go on? When will it stop? Not in 2016, that is for sure.
HYUFD said:
'Indeed, I think John Mcdonnell could be Labour's Michael Howard to Corbyn's IDS, from the same wing of the party, both Shadow Chancellor but both more media savvy, intelligent and heavy hitting. Howard did not win but he did ensure the Tories made modest progress in 2005 to set up their future recovery.'
Howard achieved a 3% swing and gained over 30 seats in 2005. If Mcdonnell were to manage that he would make it to No 10!
Edited extra bit: that said, every race so far has been good.
Is there going to be a podcast special after the elections/referendum?
Howard might have had something about the night about him. McDonnell has something about the IRA about him.
And I think we all know how the British would react to having a terrorist apologist as a potential PM candidate.
Good afternoon all.
Yes Nick Cohen has this bang on to rights, and not because he was born a Jew:
"......Yet it was still profoundly alarming. There is a large block of around a million British citizens with a profoundly illiberal interpretation of Islam which treats basic human rights with scorn. You can tick them off the checklist. About one in three British Muslims think it acceptable to have more than one wife. A little more, 39 per cent, think that wives should always obey their husbands — compared with just 5 per cent of the rest of the population. As for gay rights, only one in five Muslims thinks that homosexuality should be legal compared to four in five members of the wider public. As for racism, 35 per cent of British Muslims think Jews have too much power compared to 9 per cent non-Muslims.
Respect for freedom of speech was hard to find: 87 per cent say that there should be no right to make fun of the Prophet. And 4 per cent favoured outright violence."
http://order-order.com/2016/04/30/khan-ally-israel-is-a-terrorist-state-like-isis/
Of course, sometimes I think even one wife is too many.
Just asked Ken Livingstone what point he was trying to make by bringing up Hitler - He tells me, "I can't remember."
I struggle to manage just one wife!
the plebs have spoken.
"Marriage is shit, I don't see why gay people should be exempt."
In Sean's defence I seem to remember having a fairly heated argument with him about Israel and the use of white phosphorous weapons at the time - but he has only ever moaned about the state of Israel and its policies. Not even the slightest whiff of anything negative towards the Israeli people or Jews in general. So I think you're shitstirring a bit there Robert.
(As an aside, there's an excellent playground just opposite Lord's that we should definitely meet at.)
Lord's playground sounds like a good idea. Give me a week or so for the dust to settle...
But I guess you took it seriously.
Corbyn..IRA...Hamas....Anti-Israel....Ultra-Left...no place in mainstream politics...
It's easy for sarcasm, irony and so forth to go missing over the internet.
None of this is the fault of the virtuous Jeremy or Ken. They are the victims.
- Conservatives pushing Zac
- Labour pushing Khan
- and a bunch of bearded men with Better In leaflets
I didn't tell the latter bunch that they are more likely to find bearded ladies than people eligible to vote in the referendum on Hampstead High Street*.
* That's mostly because they are Americans rather than because they are EU immigrants.
The thing is if Jahadi Jez staggers on, imagine what the incoming will be like if members of your own party are saying this kind of stuff.
Labour need to get rid ASAP
It would take Khan losing for it to even be an outside possibility. And I think we are resigned to his victory now.
Given the way Momentum has infected the wider party and the spineless nature of the PLP, Corbyn is there for some time to come.
https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/726419317634547713
http://order-order.com/2016/04/30/khan-ally-israel-is-a-terrorist-state-like-isis/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2163298/Andrew-Ingham-hanged-secret-double-life-2-wives-12-children-exposed.html
'I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin, but by the content of their character.'
The Left believe people should be judged by the colour of their skin, not their character.
And don't forget to take a selfie at the Beatles' Abbey Road crossing.
https://www.riddle.com/a/63174?result=MQ
"...lest the reader imagine that the purpose of a study such as this is to somehow equate Zionism and National Socialism, Zionists with Nazis, or to portray that relationship as a willing and collaborative one between moral and political equals. The research, analysis, and conclusions contained in these pages do not in any way support such notions.
The existence of certain common assumptions on the part of Zionists on the one hand, and nationalist and anti-Semitic Germans on the the other, does not in any way connote moral and/or political equivalence. Rather they demonstrate the… political realities of the times.”
https://twitter.com/IsraelNewsNow/status/726437497694085121
What we really need is to ensure that our political and civic society is a religion-free zone. But that won't happen.
Of course the number of wives/ husband (or vice versa) depends on the society. If you live in a society where regularly your fittest and most virile men get killed then there obviously must be allowances to keep the population at least stable and preferably growing.
Heinlein wrote "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" where the number of male deportees far exceeded those of female - and the society evolved into a 'troika' 2 men for every woman as being the most common family unit.