Well it all seems a long time since I was told by the Conservative supporters on site that the referendum would be conducted in a spirit of amity.
The naivety of some Tories about this whole process has been quite extraordinary.
Some of them apparently believed that Cameron was genuinely undecided about whether the UK should remain in the EU.
Others seemed to be under the impression that the referendum campaign would be some kind of village cricket match in which playing fair was more important than winning.
Unbelievable.
Remember the old adage, if you can't take it don't dish it out.
Project Fear now being used by leave with Gove accusing the EU of the rise in fascism, Boris accusing No 10 of colluding with BCC to get Longworth sacked, and the Sunday Express stating that our borders agency will be taken over by the EU in a full on attack on our sovereignty. All this will achieve is the polarisation of those already committed to either side and those of us undecided just despairing and switching off. The whole campaign so far is just off the scale of stupity
That's funny ! Most Fascists in the UK wants to LEAVE.
I thought a lot of fascists wanted to turn the EU into a brotherhood of white nations against the savages.
Project Fear now being used by leave with Gove accusing the EU of the rise in fascism, Boris accusing No 10 of colluding with BCC to get Longworth sacked, and the Sunday Express stating that our borders agency will be taken over by the EU in a full on attack on our sovereignty. All this will achieve is the polarisation of those already committed to either side and those of us undecided just despairing and switching off. The whole campaign so far is just off the scale of stupity
That's funny ! Most Fascists in the UK wants to LEAVE.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
No facts have gone out of the window since he came out for Leave same as they have done for Gove .
Yes, but he must know on some level there's no connection. If he's firing off wild accusations...well, what exactly is happening? Was he pissed?
The first claim about this came from a friend of Longworth. I'm sure No 10 could put it to bed quite easily if they can just come out and say no one from Downing Street ever encouraged it.
John Kasich leads Donald Trump 33% to 31% in the Michigan Republican presidential primary. Ted Cruz is at 15% and Marco Rubio is at 11%, according to a poll conducted by the American Research Group, who report that the results are surprising because Trump was leading Kasich by 18 points in their survey conducted February 19 and 20.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
And we know this how?
Because, contrary to his reputation on this board, Cameron is not actually Lex Luthor. The PM's ability to reach across, pause, stroke the red button lovingly and release the laser sharks whilst murmuring "you have failed me for the last time, Longworth" is sadly limited.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
And we know this how?
Because, contrary to his reputation on this board, Cameron is not actually Lex Luthor. The PM's ability to reach across, pause, stroke the red button lovingly and release the laser sharks whilst murmuring "you have failed me for the last time, Longworth" is sadly limited.
David Cameron is Clark Kent/Superman.
A mild man mannered chap on the outside, but a superhero on the inside.
Well it all seems a long time since I was told by the Conservative supporters on site that the referendum would be conducted in a spirit of amity.
Ah, those halcyon days of yore, when I was abused by the PBtories for even suggesting that change would come to their party. Although to be honest, I didn't expect it to be so soon or so bitter.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
And we know this how?
Because, contrary to his reputation on this board, Cameron is not actually Lex Luthor. The PM's ability to reach across, pause, stroke the red button lovingly and release the laser sharks whilst murmuring "you have failed me for the last time, Longworth" is sadly limited.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound Gove warns the EU has boosted "Hitler worshippers" and says the far right is stronger than at any time since the 1930s because of EU
Seems a rather odd comment - anything to do with EU expansion to former USSR states?
I think he is referring to the huge anger that EU bananas bend to the left and not the right. This is far more important than stag and hen weekends in Tallinn
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
And we know this how?
Because, contrary to his reputation on this board, Cameron is not actually Lex Luthor. The PM's ability to reach across, pause, stroke the red button lovingly and release the laser sharks whilst murmuring "you have failed me for the last time, Longworth" is sadly limited.
David Cameron is Clark Kent/Superman.
A mild man mannered chap on the outside, but a superhero on the inside.
If that's the case when do you expect him to fire Osborne?
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
No facts have gone out of the window since he came out for Leave same as they have done for Gove .
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
No facts have gone out of the window since he came out for Leave same as they have done for Gove .
Yes, but he must know on some level there's no connection. If he's firing off wild accusations...well, what exactly is happening? Was he pissed?
The first claim about this came from a friend of Longworth.
Well, that's alright then. It must be true if a friend says it
"John, John, he's not worth it mate. Look, look (fuck, I've dropped the kebab) come back to mine, I've got "Hot Fuzz" and some cans. You know who I blame for this? Fuckin Cameron, that's who...yeah, yeah, it's Cameron's fault, thazzit, shit, oh fuck, BLEEURGH...god, that's better. Oh look: carrots..."
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
No facts have gone out of the window since he came out for Leave same as they have done for Gove .
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
And we know this how?
Because, contrary to his reputation on this board, Cameron is not actually Lex Luthor. The PM's ability to reach across, pause, stroke the red button lovingly and release the laser sharks whilst murmuring "you have failed me for the last time, Longworth" is sadly limited.
There seems to be pretty big gap between "ordering an execution" and "absolutely no involvement". Did any aides from No 10 tell BCC members they should suspend him?
It seems unlikely to me because political pressure to get a private sector figure sacked for his political views would be so outrageous. I mean it should be a resigning matter if Cameron was involved in such a thing.
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Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
And we know this how?
Because, contrary to his reputation on this board, Cameron is not actually Lex Luthor. The PM's ability to reach across, pause, stroke the red button lovingly and release the laser sharks whilst murmuring "you have failed me for the last time, Longworth" is sadly limited.
Unlike your naivety, which has no limits.
I don't know if No 10 is involved and nor do you.
No 10 have denied involvement tonight and expressed surprise, but the danger for Boris is that the BCC make a statement that this is an internal BCC matter with no political involvement and seeking an apology from him. He better be sure of his facts
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
And we know this how?
Because, contrary to his reputation on this board, Cameron is not actually Lex Luthor. The PM's ability to reach across, pause, stroke the red button lovingly and release the laser sharks whilst murmuring "you have failed me for the last time, Longworth" is sadly limited.
David Cameron is Clark Kent/Superman.
A mild man mannered chap on the outside, but a superhero on the inside.
David Cameron = "Hollandaise Sauce slurping surrender-monkey"*
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
And we know this how?
Because, contrary to his reputation on this board, Cameron is not actually Lex Luthor. The PM's ability to reach across, pause, stroke the red button lovingly and release the laser sharks whilst murmuring "you have failed me for the last time, Longworth" is sadly limited.
So in other words you have absolutely no idea. Not sure why you'd make yourself look so stupid as to refute something in such strident terms based on nothing more than your own partiality, but there we go, rock on.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
No facts have gone out of the window since he came out for Leave same as they have done for Gove .
Yes, but he must know on some level there's no connection. If he's firing off wild accusations...well, what exactly is happening? Was he pissed?
The first claim about this came from a friend of Longworth.
Well, that's alright then. It must be true if a friend says it
"John, John, he's not worth it mate. Look, look (fuck, I've dropped the kebab) come back to mine, I've got "Hot Fuzz" and some cans. You know who I blame for this? Fuckin Cameron, that's who...yeah, yeah, it's Cameron's fault, thazzit, shit, oh fuck, BLEEURGH...god, that's better. Oh look: carrots..."
Ok I'm not going to bother with this conversation any more.
But then, outside the EU/EEA we could set up chip fabs here... build our own nuclear power plants... restart ship building by making cruise liners. I don't see anything we need from the EU that we can't make here as we used to do.
But the world has moved on. We can't turn the clock back to what we "used to do". We are in the 2010s not the 1950s.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
And we know this how?
Because, contrary to his reputation on this board, Cameron is not actually Lex Luthor. The PM's ability to reach across, pause, stroke the red button lovingly and release the laser sharks whilst murmuring "you have failed me for the last time, Longworth" is sadly limited.
Unlike your naivety, which has no limits.
I don't know if No 10 is involved and nor do you.
I assure you my naivete has limits. Admittedly, they are quite large limits, but they do exist.
But I think I'm capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction. And I'm not sure Boris is.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
And we know this how?
Because, contrary to his reputation on this board, Cameron is not actually Lex Luthor. The PM's ability to reach across, pause, stroke the red button lovingly and release the laser sharks whilst murmuring "you have failed me for the last time, Longworth" is sadly limited.
Unlike your naivety, which has no limits.
I don't know if No 10 is involved and nor do you.
No 10 have denied involvement tonight and expressed surprise, but the danger for Boris is that the BCC make a statement that this is an internal BCC matter with no political involvement and seeking an apology from him. He better be sure of his facts
I thought the denial so far was a bit ambivalent on what conversations had taken place. If there was any encouragement at all the risk is all on govt side. But let us see how that unfolds.
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Scots business tycoon Jim McColl was asked whether he still hoped the country moves towards separation despite the result last September and said: “No, the decision’s been made.”
AS a fervent supporter of the SNP I travelled the length and breadth of Scotland knocking on doors convincing voters why they should vote for the the new track.
Now I would like to humbly apologise to those same people for the absolute shambles the SNP has created whilst governing Scotland and can thank only God that they lost the Referendum!
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
And we know this how?
Because, contrary to his reputation on this board, Cameron is not actually Lex Luthor. The PM's ability to reach across, pause, stroke the red button lovingly and release the laser sharks whilst murmuring "you have failed me for the last time, Longworth" is sadly limited.
David Cameron is Clark Kent/Superman.
A mild man mannered chap on the outside, but a superhero on the inside.
If that's the case when do you expect him to fire Osborne?
LOL! There are people here - nominally grown-ups, I imagine - who actually think No 10 gets to boss around the British Chambers of Commerce!
Dr Liam Fox MP Retweeted Bernard Jenkin @bernardjenkin Bernard Jenkin Retweeted George Parker What role of @downingstreet in this? Longworth is deeply honourable and courageous, to put country before his job!
But then, outside the EU/EEA we could set up chip fabs here... build our own nuclear power plants... restart ship building by making cruise liners. I don't see anything we need from the EU that we can't make here as we used to do.
But the world has moved on. We can't turn the clock back to what we "used to do". We are in the 2010s not the 1950s.
The Treaty of Rome dates from the 1950s...
And the United Kingdom from 1707. Your point is?
But the world has moved on. We can't turn the clock back to what we "used to do". We are in the 2010s not the 1950s.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
And we know this how?
Because, contrary to his reputation on this board, Cameron is not actually Lex Luthor. The PM's ability to reach across, pause, stroke the red button lovingly and release the laser sharks whilst murmuring "you have failed me for the last time, Longworth" is sadly limited.
So in other words you have absolutely no idea. Not sure why you'd make yourself look so stupid as to refute something in such strident terms based on nothing more than your own partiality, but there we go, rock on.
I thought I was pointing out that Boris's claim that Cameron arranged for the suspension of John Longworth was prima facie ridiculous. I further opined that it was so ridiculous it calls into question Boris's judgment regarding fact and fiction. I'm sympathetic to the accusation that I was rude (cf NorfolkTilIDie's response below) but strident? Not really.
LOL! There are people here - nominally grown-ups, I imagine - who actually think No 10 gets to boss around the British Chambers of Commerce!
Is there a mod we can add to this website to hide all the comments of people who spend half their time mocking others?? I was just suffering it up to now but after Stephen pointed out how tiresome it is its got to me. I wonder if people like flightpath and Nabavi mock people in pub conversations like this.
LOL! There are people here - nominally grown-ups, I imagine - who actually think No 10 gets to boss around the British Chambers of Commerce!
Is there a mod we can add to this website to hide all the comments of people who spend half their time mocking others?? I was just suffering it up to now but after Stephen pointed out how tiresome it is its got to me. I wonder if people like flightpath and Nabavi mock people in pub conversations like this.
TBH In the pubs I go to people don't come out with lunatic conspiracy theories.
On politicalbetting.com, moreover, the general idea is to talk some sense about politics and betting.
LOL! There are people here - nominally grown-ups, I imagine - who actually think No 10 gets to boss around the British Chambers of Commerce!
I'd expect an intelligent poster such as yourself to know the difference between official organisational chains of command and being able to bring influence to bear. My boss isn't answerable to Cameron either - doesn't mean a swift call from No. 10 wouldn't get her to do exactly what the PM wanted.
LOL! There are people here - nominally grown-ups, I imagine - who actually think No 10 gets to boss around the British Chambers of Commerce!
Is there a mod we can add to this website to hide all the comments of people who spend half their time mocking others?? I was just suffering it up to now but after Stephen pointed out how tiresome it is its got to me. I wonder if people like flightpath and Nabavi mock people in pub conversations like this.
Yeah, I would quite like an "Ignore" function where you can put certain posters on a list and have all their posts hidden.
I'd expect an intelligent poster such as yourself to know the difference between official organisational chains of command and being able to bring influence to bear. My boss isn't answerable to Cameron either - doesn't mean a swift call from No. 10 wouldn't get her to do exactly what the PM wanted.
No influence needed to be brought to bear, even if it could be (which it couldn't). The guy was, quite unambiguously, speaking out against the formally agreed policy of his own organisation
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Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
And we know this how?
Because, contrary to his reputation on this board, Cameron is not actually Lex Luthor. The PM's ability to reach across, pause, stroke the red button lovingly and release the laser sharks whilst murmuring "you have failed me for the last time, Longworth" is sadly limited.
So in other words you have absolutely no idea. Not sure why you'd make yourself look so stupid as to refute something in such strident terms based on nothing more than your own partiality, but there we go, rock on.
I thought I was pointing out that Boris's claim that Cameron arranged for the suspension of John Longworth was prima facie ridiculous. I further opined that it was so ridiculous it calls into question Boris's judgment regarding fact and fiction. I'm sympathetic to the accusation that I was rude (cf NorfolkTilIDie's response below) but strident? Not really.
Of course No 10 did not arrange for Longworth's suspension - it has no power to do so.
But its view was probably made very plain, in a suitably untraceable way, to the key players.
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Well, an outside shot but worht £10 @ 25/1 (Hills) I thought
So near yet so far from making a serious charge I fear. If only he'd had the sponsorship before these primaries started just a few weeks ago. No one says a word against him, yet he's certainly got virtually no chance of progressing I hope I'm wrong - I'm several hundred pounds better off should that prove to be be the case.
LOL! There are people here - nominally grown-ups, I imagine - who actually think No 10 gets to boss around the British Chambers of Commerce!
Is there a mod we can add to this website to hide all the comments of people who spend half their time mocking others?? I was just suffering it up to now but after Stephen pointed out how tiresome it is its got to me. I wonder if people like flightpath and Nabavi mock people in pub conversations like this.
Yeah, I would quite like an "Ignore" function where you can put certain posters on a list and have all their posts hidden.
There is one, if you download Edmund's excellent widget. I don't use the 'ignore' feature, but I do very much use the feature which allows you to highlight posts by people who frequently post interesting stuff.
I don't have the URL to hand, but maybe someone can point you to it.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
And we know this how?
Because, contrary to his reputation on this board, Cameron is not actually Lex Luthor. The PM's ability to reach across, pause, stroke the red button lovingly and release the laser sharks whilst murmuring "you have failed me for the last time, Longworth" is sadly limited.
Unlike your naivety, which has no limits.
I don't know if No 10 is involved and nor do you.
I assure you my naivete has limits. Admittedly, they are quite large limits, but they do exist.
But I think I'm capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction. And I'm not sure Boris is.
LOL! There are people here - nominally grown-ups, I imagine - who actually think No 10 gets to boss around the British Chambers of Commerce!
Is there a mod we can add to this website to hide all the comments of people who spend half their time mocking others?? I was just suffering it up to now but after Stephen pointed out how tiresome it is its got to me. I wonder if people like flightpath and Nabavi mock people in pub conversations like this.
TBH In the pubs I go to people don't come out with lunatic conspiracy theories.
On politicalbetting.com, moreover, the general idea is to talk some sense about politics and betting.
I don't care about your smug eye-rolling at everyone you see as your intellectual inferiors. I even agree with you on this matter because it would be such an exploitation of political power for any pressure to be put on BCC to sack a private citizen. I just want to block you and all the other partisans that don't have any manners.
... Yeah, I would quite like an "Ignore" function where you can put certain posters on a list and have all their posts hidden.
Well there is such a thing. Made by Edmund in Tokyo. Works as a Greasemonkey script in Firefox. But watch out, you could be making your own echo chamber.
I'd expect an intelligent poster such as yourself to know the difference between official organisational chains of command and being able to bring influence to bear. My boss isn't answerable to Cameron either - doesn't mean a swift call from No. 10 wouldn't get her to do exactly what the PM wanted.
No influence needed to be brought to bear, even if it could be (which it couldn't). The guy was, quite unambiguously, speaking out against the formally agreed policy of his own organisation
"59 per cent of Tory members believe Britain should leave the EU, compared with 21 per cent who believe the country should remain a member."
... Yeah, I would quite like an "Ignore" function where you can put certain posters on a list and have all their posts hidden.
Well there is such a thing. Made by Edmund in Tokyo. Works as a Greasemonkey script in Firefox. But watch out, you could be making your own echo chamber.
I'd expect an intelligent poster such as yourself to know the difference between official organisational chains of command and being able to bring influence to bear. My boss isn't answerable to Cameron either - doesn't mean a swift call from No. 10 wouldn't get her to do exactly what the PM wanted.
No influence needed to be brought to bear, even if it could be (which it couldn't). The guy was, quite unambiguously, speaking out against the formally agreed policy of his own organisation
"59 per cent of Tory members believe Britain should leave the EU, compared with 21 per cent who believe the country should remain a member."
And the other 20%? Probably believe Britain should run Europe.
I don't care about your smug eye-rolling at everyone you see as your intellectual inferiors. I even agree with you on this matter because it would be such an exploitation of political power for any pressure to be put on BCC to sack a private citizen. I just want to block you and all the other partisans that don't have any manners.
Entirely up to you. I just post what I think, and (unlike some I could mention) never question anyone's integrity. If something is stupid, I say so. If it's completely bonkers, I say so. If it's hilariously bonkers, I point out that it's hilariously bonkers. Feel free not to read my comments.
I'd expect an intelligent poster such as yourself to know the difference between official organisational chains of command and being able to bring influence to bear. My boss isn't answerable to Cameron either - doesn't mean a swift call from No. 10 wouldn't get her to do exactly what the PM wanted.
No influence needed to be brought to bear, even if it could be (which it couldn't). The guy was, quite unambiguously, speaking out against the formally agreed policy of his own organisation
No he wasn't. The formally agreed policy was that the official organisational line was to remain neutral, but to inform the debate with a variety of business views (that's how the official statement described it). A personal view was expressed - if you can find passages in his statements that allude to it being the official view of the organisation, by all means post them.
'(which it couldn't)' - desperate cobblers. The PM doesn't have a phone? Do us a favour.
I'd expect an intelligent poster such as yourself to know the difference between official organisational chains of command and being able to bring influence to bear. My boss isn't answerable to Cameron either - doesn't mean a swift call from No. 10 wouldn't get her to do exactly what the PM wanted.
No influence needed to be brought to bear, even if it could be (which it couldn't). The guy was, quite unambiguously, speaking out against the formally agreed policy of his own organisation
"59 per cent of Tory members believe Britain should leave the EU, compared with 21 per cent who believe the country should remain a member."
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
And we know this how?
Because, contrary to his reputation on this board, Cameron is not actually Lex Luthor. The PM's ability to reach across, pause, stroke the red button lovingly and release the laser sharks whilst murmuring "you have failed me for the last time, Longworth" is sadly limited.
There seems to be pretty big gap between "ordering an execution" and "absolutely no involvement". Did any aides from No 10 tell BCC members they should suspend him?
It seems unlikely to me because political pressure to get a private sector figure sacked for his political views would be so outrageous. I mean it should be a resigning matter if Cameron was involved in such a thing.
Sorry, I missed this response in the kerfuffle. You were upset at my scatological response (for which I apologise) so let's address your response seriously.
No 10/Cabinet/Privy Council do have powers. They can start wars, allow rendition, plant stories in newspapers, traduce somebody's reputation, and this does matter. But for this scenario I genuinely don't see a No10 involvement. You need Cameron to single somebody out, then somebody to contact the BCC members and get them to suspend Longworth. And at no point did somebody turn round and say "er, no, not really".
And I find myself looping back to my original point: Cameron isn't Blofeld. There are limits.
... Yeah, I would quite like an "Ignore" function where you can put certain posters on a list and have all their posts hidden.
Well there is such a thing. Made by Edmund in Tokyo. Works as a Greasemonkey script in Firefox. But watch out, you could be making your own echo chamber.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
And we know this how?
Because, contrary to his reputation on this board, Cameron is not actually Lex Luthor. The PM's ability to reach across, pause, stroke the red button lovingly and release the laser sharks whilst murmuring "you have failed me for the last time, Longworth" is sadly limited.
Unlike your naivety, which has no limits.
I don't know if No 10 is involved and nor do you.
I assure you my naivete has limits. Admittedly, they are quite large limits, but they do exist.
But I think I'm capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction. And I'm not sure Boris is.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
And we know this how?
Because, contrary to his reputation on this board, Cameron is not actually Lex Luthor. The PM's ability to reach across, pause, stroke the red button lovingly and release the laser sharks whilst murmuring "you have failed me for the last time, Longworth" is sadly limited.
There seems to be pretty big gap between "ordering an execution" and "absolutely no involvement". Did any aides from No 10 tell BCC members they should suspend him?
It seems unlikely to me because political pressure to get a private sector figure sacked for his political views would be so outrageous. I mean it should be a resigning matter if Cameron was involved in such a thing.
Sorry, I missed this response in the kerfuffle. You were upset at my scatological response (for which I apologise) so let's address your response seriously.
No 10/Cabinet/Privy Council do have powers. They can start wars, allow rendition, plant stories in newspapers, traduce somebody's reputation, and this does matter. But for this scenario I genuinely don't see a No10 involvement. You need Cameron to single somebody out, then somebody to contact the BCC members and get them to suspend Longworth. And at no point did somebody turn round and say "er, no, not really".
And I find myself looping back to my original point: Cameron isn't Blofeld. There are limits.
Thanks for apologies - I do respect people willing to say when they went too far.
And I agree with you. It would be monumentally stupid for No 10 to lean on people here, so they won't have.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
And we know this how?
Because, contrary to his reputation on this board, Cameron is not actually Lex Luthor. The PM's ability to reach across, pause, stroke the red button lovingly and release the laser sharks whilst murmuring "you have failed me for the last time, Longworth" is sadly limited.
There seems to be pretty big gap between "ordering an execution" and "absolutely no involvement". Did any aides from No 10 tell BCC members they should suspend him?
It seems unlikely to me because political pressure to get a private sector figure sacked for his political views would be so outrageous. I mean it should be a resigning matter if Cameron was involved in such a thing.
Sorry, I missed this response in the kerfuffle. You were upset at my scatological response (for which I apologise) so let's address your response seriously.
No 10/Cabinet/Privy Council do have powers. They can start wars, allow rendition, plant stories in newspapers, traduce somebody's reputation, and this does matter. But for this scenario I genuinely don't see a No10 involvement. You need Cameron to single somebody out, then somebody to contact the BCC members and get them to suspend Longworth. And at no point did somebody turn round and say "er, no, not really".
And I find myself looping back to my original point: Cameron isn't Blofeld. There are limits.
Thanks for apologies - I do respect people willing to say when they went too far.
And I agree with you. It would be monumentally stupid for No 10 to lean on people here, so they won't have.
I don't care about your smug eye-rolling at everyone you see as your intellectual inferiors. I even agree with you on this matter because it would be such an exploitation of political power for any pressure to be put on BCC to sack a private citizen. I just want to block you and all the other partisans that don't have any manners.
Entirely up to you. I just post what I think, and (unlike some I could mention) never question anyone's integrity. If something is stupid, I say so. If it's completely bonkers, I say so. If it's hilariously bonkers, I point out that it's hilariously bonkers. Feel free not to read my comments.
You didn't just do that though. You laughed at people and said they were only nominally adults. Youre one of the people on here who make this place have a very unpleasant vibe at times.
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It's that 49/1 I "only" put £10 on I regret... not much though, Cruz will still make a very nice contribution to my holiday in the US this summer
A mild man mannered chap on the outside, but a superhero on the inside.
I don't know if No 10 is involved and nor do you.
"John, John, he's not worth it mate. Look, look (fuck, I've dropped the kebab) come back to mine, I've got "Hot Fuzz" and some cans. You know who I blame for this? Fuckin Cameron, that's who...yeah, yeah, it's Cameron's fault, thazzit, shit, oh fuck, BLEEURGH...god, that's better. Oh look: carrots..."
It seems unlikely to me because political pressure to get a private sector figure sacked for his political views would be so outrageous. I mean it should be a resigning matter if Cameron was involved in such a thing.
If Kasich wins important Michigan, that buys him time to stay in the race.
(* hat-tip Moniker di Canio)
But I think I'm capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction. And I'm not sure Boris is.
While that's a fun story, I prefer this guy... http://www.centralfifetimes.com/opinion/letters/14179707.Former_SNP_supporter_apologises_for_persuading_people_to_support_them/
Bernard Jenkin @bernardjenkin
Bernard Jenkin Retweeted George Parker
What role of @downingstreet in this? Longworth is deeply honourable and courageous, to put country before his job!
George Parker @GeorgeWParker
@PickardJE Thanks loyal colleague: your "business chief suspended in Brexit row" scoop not too shabby either http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6e00b97c-e22d-11e5-9217-6ae3733a2cd1.html#axzz421SQIpPj …
One by me, with possibly the most disgusting/amusing analogy in the history of PB and a truly excellent debut guest thread.
Both are on the EU ref
On politicalbetting.com, moreover, the general idea is to talk some sense about politics and betting.
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/706253308034473985
Acropolis Now was an Australian television sitcom set in a fictional Greek cafe in Melbourne of the same name that ran for 63 episodes from 1989 to 1992 on the Seven Network.
But its view was probably made very plain, in a suitably untraceable way, to the key players.
This is war..........
I hope I'm wrong - I'm several hundred pounds better off should that prove to be be the case.
I don't have the URL to hand, but maybe someone can point you to it.
Wait until I become an MP, and the gags and song titles I start using in Commons speeches.
Astonishing.
'(which it couldn't)' - desperate cobblers. The PM doesn't have a phone? Do us a favour.
No 10/Cabinet/Privy Council do have powers. They can start wars, allow rendition, plant stories in newspapers, traduce somebody's reputation, and this does matter. But for this scenario I genuinely don't see a No10 involvement. You need Cameron to single somebody out, then somebody to contact the BCC members and get them to suspend Longworth. And at no point did somebody turn round and say "er, no, not really".
And I find myself looping back to my original point: Cameron isn't Blofeld. There are limits.
Cruz has a decent share of the delegates. It may be the Trumpsters bubble finally bursting.
Now that is SERIOUSLY SERIOUSLY wrong.
He has a hard zero chance to be the GOP nominee.
Namely as he is running as an independent, and even then he probably isn't running.
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And I agree with you. It would be monumentally stupid for No 10 to lean on people here, so they won't have.
Kansas; Nebraska. Farms. White people. Sanders.
Louisiana Swamps. Black people. Clinton.