The anti-Cameron nonsense here (and, to be fair, in the Mail and Telegraph sometimes) is stark, raving, 100%, fruitcake-rich, bonkers.
It really is. Even as someone who's leaning leave, the foaming at the mouth whenever the EU is mentioned is pretty off-putting.
And they've convinced themselves they are the 'moral majority' apparently on the back of Katie Hopkins! Makes 'disgusted of Tunbridge Wells' seem like a dangerous lefty
The anti-Cameron nonsense here (and, to be fair, in the Mail and Telegraph sometimes) is stark, raving, 100%, fruitcake-rich, bonkers.
It really is. Even as someone who's leaning leave, the foaming at the mouth whenever the EU is mentioned is pretty off-putting.
And they've convinced themselves they are the 'moral majority' apparently on the back of Katie Hopkins! Makes 'disgusted of Tunbridge Wells' seem like a dangerous lefty
You lot look just as ridiculous. I think there is a very good business and economic case to be made for staying in the EU. But Cameron does himself and the Remain cause no good whatsoever by hopping across the channel to get a socialist to try to blackmail the British people.
Weird Bernie surge on Betfair right now, got backed all the way into around 10-1.
Did you see this article? If it is accurate, Rubio's campaign seems to be completely incompetent. Voting has already started in FL and the campaign's only just gearing up now.
Despite never voting for Cameron or the Tories, I have no problem with him being a cheer leader for remain and doing everything in his power to keep us in the EU.
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
Weird Bernie surge on Betfair right now, got backed all the way into around 10-1.
Did you see this article? If it is accurate, Rubio's campaign seems to be completely incompetent. Voting has already started in FL and the campaign's only just gearing up now.
I've got him at ~ zero/ a small negative right now. I'm hoping Ted Cruz can get some momentum (~+2.7k Nom & ~ +3.4k POTUS), and Hillary's slow strangulation on Bernie continues. Trump almost exactly matches the fair value of my book, so does Kasich for that matter. Not really taking too much of a view on the current odds (Trump/Hillary), but Cruz looks value whilst Rubio looks toast to me.
The anti-Cameron nonsense here (and, to be fair, in the Mail and Telegraph sometimes) is stark, raving, 100%, fruitcake-rich, bonkers.
It really is. Even as someone who's leaning leave, the foaming at the mouth whenever the EU is mentioned is pretty off-putting.
And they've convinced themselves they are the 'moral majority' apparently on the back of Katie Hopkins! Makes 'disgusted of Tunbridge Wells' seem like a dangerous lefty
You lot look just as ridiculous. I think there is a very good business and economic case to be made for staying in the EU. But Cameron does himself and the Remain cause no good whatsoever by hopping across the channel to get a socialist to try to blackmail the British people.
Yup - it's all an evil conspiracy stage-managed by Cameron leading Hollande by the nose while at the same time being weak and vacuous. Thank heavens I'm off out for a meal by the sun in the beautiful Mediterranean.
Just got back from 2 hours of leafleting for Vote Leave. It started chucking it down so I went home early, then as soon as I get home the sun comes out! Typical...
Evening Mr RoyalBlue,
How was the general reception on the door step and if not secret, where were you leafleting?
I was just leafleting rather than canvassing, so no chats with the voters! I'm in Bromley.
Will try to get a few helpers next time, it's not so fun on your own.
Just got back from 2 hours of leafleting for Vote Leave. It started chucking it down so I went home early, then as soon as I get home the sun comes out! Typical...
Evening Mr RoyalBlue,
How was the general reception on the door step and if not secret, where were you leafleting?
I was just leafleting rather than canvassing, so no chats with the voters! I'm in Bromley.
Will try to get a few helpers next time, it's not so fun on your own.
I support the other side but good on you for getting out there - not an easy job!
The anti-Cameron nonsense here (and, to be fair, in the Mail and Telegraph sometimes) is stark, raving, 100%, fruitcake-rich, bonkers.
It really is. Even as someone who's leaning leave, the foaming at the mouth whenever the EU is mentioned is pretty off-putting.
And they've convinced themselves they are the 'moral majority' apparently on the back of Katie Hopkins! Makes 'disgusted of Tunbridge Wells' seem like a dangerous lefty
You lot look just as ridiculous. I think there is a very good business and economic case to be made for staying in the EU. But Cameron does himself and the Remain cause no good whatsoever by hopping across the channel to get a socialist to try to blackmail the British people.
Yup - it's all an evil conspiracy stage-managed by Cameron leading Hollande by the nose while at the same time being weak and vacuous. Thank heavens I'm off out for a meal by the sun in the beautiful Mediterranean.
That's right; no danger of record levels of immigration affecting your lifestyle.
Trump's defeat now would be unprecedented in the recent history of the United States. Obviously, it could be a first - but whilst Cruz is right, Rubio is too short and Trump too long IMP
Just got back from 2 hours of leafleting for Vote Leave. It started chucking it down so I went home early, then as soon as I get home the sun comes out! Typical...
Evening Mr RoyalBlue,
How was the general reception on the door step and if not secret, where were you leafleting?
I was just leafleting rather than canvassing, so no chats with the voters! I'm in Bromley.
Will try to get a few helpers next time, it's not so fun on your own.
Thanks, and bravo for getting out there. PBs very own ‘man on the spot’ Bromley division
Afternoon everyone. I've spent the last few hours watching the first 6 episodes of House of Cards. Think it is very good so far.
Its gets better.....
Herself has a stinking cold. She has retired to bed to marathon on it. It seems to have perked her up enormously.
I have caught up with 6 episodes of Trapped instead. Which is enjoyable despite being Nordically ponderous. I keep seeing buildings in Reykjavik and going "Oooh - I know where that is!"
And I believe that will mean net migration to this country will be in the order of tens of thousands each year, not the hundreds of thousands every year that we have seen over the last decade. Yes, Britain will always be open to the best and brightest from around the world and those fleeing persecution. But with us, our borders will be under control and immigration will be at levels our country can manage. No ifs. No buts. That's a promise we made to the British people. And it's a promise we are keeping.
He added: "Some people seem to say that really Britain couldn’t survive, couldn’t do OK outside the EU. I don’t think that is true. “Let’s be frank. Britain is an amazing country. We have got the fifth biggest economy in the world … The argument isn't whether Britain could survive outside the EU. Of course it could.
A Rubio loss, Cruz's orbit believes, would then set up the two-man race with Donald Trump they believe they are destined for -- and absolutely need -- to win.
"Florida's a burning dumpster fire for Marco Rubio," said Cruz spokesman Ron Nehring. "If he doesn't win his own state, it's hard to rationalize going forward."
Cameron pledged to reduce immigration to tens of thousand, now the figures aren't released.
Your stance is becoming more ludicrous by the day.
You think the immigration statistics are not being released?
Fruitcakes and loons hardly covers it.
Jonathan Portes sent in a freedom of information request on how many active NI numbers there were for EU citizens and HMRC did not release the numbers, so he is correct and you owe him an apology.
Just yesterday people on here pledged to stop gratuitous insults but here you go being rude needlessly. Learn some manners. Would you speak to people like that in real life??
"Cruz's aides and allies are preparing an aggressive effort to keep Marco Rubio from winning his home state of Florida on March 15, a blow they hope would render Rubio's path to the GOP nomination unimaginable and force him to withdraw.
A Rubio loss, Cruz's orbit believes, would then set up the two-man race with Donald Trump they believe they are destined for -- and absolutely need -- to win."
I particularly enjoyed the nonsense about the allegedly 'true' immigration figures, which the nutjobs think he is deliberately concealing because of the referendum. No-one seems to ask what conceivable relevance illegal immigration has to the question of whether the UK should stay in the EU or not.
That load of utter tosh is beneath even your level of asskissery. The vast majority of the public think that getting out of the EU will solve the immigration problem. They may be wrong in the short term if Cameron is suicidal enough to try going the EEA route in the teeth of a Leave vote on the basis of controlling immigration, if the government goes full kipper it will definitely reduce immigration. Whether they are right or wrong at this stage is beside the point, if the new immigration figures are much higher than last year, it will increase the turn out for Leave voters, the last thing the PM wants. I know this, you know this, Uncle Tom Cobley could have a fair guess at this, so please don't insult our intelligence.
Hollande was absolutely right..there will be consequences for the UK if we leave..impossible for there not to be..anyone who thinks there wont be is a total fool. What the UK voters have to do is consider whether they are worth it..
It's a truism. But, it sounded like Hollande was threatening the UK, and Cameron seemed happy for him to be threatening the UK.
On balance, I think Project Fear will work, but the danger for Remain is that they will come over as being unpatriotic if they emphasise how powerless we are when foreigners want to do nasty things to us.
I also think Project Fear will work, the danger for Remain is that when the things they promised would not happen do happen, the credibility of a lot of people will be shot to pieces.
@Speedy A burning dumpster for the Rubio campaign !
The whole Romney plan was based on Cruz, Rubio and Kasich to cooperate with each other in order to go to the convention and select Romney as the nominee.
The situation reminds me of an old Top Gear episode were the 3 had alfa romeo's and they where at a race track, their strategy was to cooperate to block everyone and get stuck behind them, until Hammond decided to break away and they lost the race:
Hollande was absolutely right..there will be consequences for the UK if we leave..impossible for there not to be..anyone who thinks there wont be is a total fool. What the UK voters have to do is consider whether they are worth it..
It's a truism. But, it sounded like Hollande was threatening the UK, and Cameron seemed happy for him to be threatening the UK.
On balance, I think Project Fear will work, but the danger for Remain is that they will come over as being unpatriotic if they emphasise how powerless we are when foreigners want to do nasty things to us.
I also think Project Fear will work, the danger for Remain is that when the things they promised would not happen do happen, the credibility of a lot of people will be shot to pieces.
I foresee further trimming of the terms in the EU Parliament and a lot of desperate government backing and filling trying to tell people that that changes are cosmetic and we still really got a damn fine deal.... and then the emergency brake will get struck down in the ECJ...
I see the Leicester City fan who had £20 on at 5000-1 has accepted £29,000 payout from the bookie to void the bet. Debatable whether he will want them to win it now.
Maybe he sees it as paying £71,000 to guarantee Leicester winning the league. A lot of fans of a lot of clubs would pay that.
I see the Leicester City fan who had £20 on at 5000-1 has accepted £29,000 payout from the bookie to void the bet. Debatable whether he will want them to win it now.
Maybe he sees it as paying £71,000 to guarantee Leicester winning the league. A lot of fans of a lot of clubs would pay that.
He's got pretty poor odds there though... I would have held out for more.
Hollande was absolutely right..there will be consequences for the UK if we leave..impossible for there not to be..anyone who thinks there wont be is a total fool. What the UK voters have to do is consider whether they are worth it..
It's a truism. But, it sounded like Hollande was threatening the UK, and Cameron seemed happy for him to be threatening the UK.
On balance, I think Project Fear will work, but the danger for Remain is that they will come over as being unpatriotic if they emphasise how powerless we are when foreigners want to do nasty things to us.
I also think Project Fear will work, the danger for Remain is that when the things they promised would not happen do happen, the credibility of a lot of people will be shot to pieces.
I foresee further trimming of the terms in the EU Parliament and a lot of desperate government backing and filling trying to tell people that that changes are cosmetic and we still really got a damn fine deal.... and then the emergency brake will get struck down in the ECJ...
I imagine the government spin would be that you all said it was bad deal, so what are you complaining about?
Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.
I think it's worse than that for them.
Like the Bulgars after Kleidion?
Like a briish PM standing sheepishly aside while a French President threatens his country ?
The British public loved it.
YouGov has recorded four consecutive leads for Remain since the last published poll, suggesting a movement towards the Remain side in the first two weeks of campaigning
not so much standing up for Britain as kneeling down and unzipping for Britain.
Cameron is nothing more than a Hollandaise sauce slurping surrender monkey. A national embarrassment and laughing stock. The sooner he's gone the better.
The anti-Cameron nonsense on here is understandable from Lab/LD sympathisers but simply crazy from Conservatives. Do you really want the likes of Fox/IDS or worse in charge? If so prepare for opposition.
I particularly enjoyed the nonsense about the allegedly 'true' immigration figures, which the nutjobs think he is deliberately concealing because of the referendum. No-one seems to ask what conceivable relevance illegal immigration has to the question of whether the UK should stay in the EU or not.
That load of utter tosh is beneath even your level of asskissery. The vast majority of the public think that getting out of the EU will solve the immigration problem. They may be wrong in the short term if Cameron is suicidal enough to try going the EEA route in the teeth of a Leave vote on the basis of controlling immigration, if the government goes full kipper it will definitely reduce immigration. Whether they are right or wrong at this stage is beside the point, if the new immigration figures are much higher than last year, it will increase the turn out for Leave voters, the last thing the PM wants. I know this, you know this, Uncle Tom Cobley could have a fair guess at this, so please don't insult our intelligence.
He als don't understand the situation. Illegal immigrants do not have NINOs for Gods sake. This is about accurately understanding legal immigration what the passenger survey numbers are failing to do. Pro-EU pro-migration left wing professor and former civil servant Portes is pointing this out. He put in FOI request and it was blocked. The cabinet office is putting in huge resources to publisg dodgy dossiers but they won't release this one number. Cameron is trying to keep the figures from public before crucial decision!!
I see the Leicester City fan who had £20 on at 5000-1 has accepted £29,000 payout from the bookie to void the bet. Debatable whether he will want them to win it now.
Maybe he sees it as paying £71,000 to guarantee Leicester winning the league. A lot of fans of a lot of clubs would pay that.
He's got pretty poor odds there though... I would have held out for more.
When did he give in? After what I saw at WHL and what I'm seeing on the TV right now Leicester are looking very good for the title.
The anti-Cameron nonsense here (and, to be fair, in the Mail and Telegraph sometimes) is stark, raving, 100%, fruitcake-rich, bonkers.
It really is. Even as someone who's leaning leave, the foaming at the mouth whenever the EU is mentioned is pretty off-putting.
And they've convinced themselves they are the 'moral majority' apparently on the back of Katie Hopkins! Makes 'disgusted of Tunbridge Wells' seem like a dangerous lefty
You lot look just as ridiculous. I think there is a very good business and economic case to be made for staying in the EU. But Cameron does himself and the Remain cause no good whatsoever by hopping across the channel to get a socialist to try to blackmail the British people.
Yup - it's all an evil conspiracy stage-managed by Cameron leading Hollande by the nose while at the same time being weak and vacuous. Thank heavens I'm off out for a meal by the sun in the beautiful Mediterranean.
I particularly enjoyed the nonsense about the allegedly 'true' immigration figures, which the nutjobs think he is deliberately concealing because of the referendum. No-one seems to ask what conceivable relevance illegal immigration has to the question of whether the UK should stay in the EU or not.
That load of utter tosh is beneath even your level of asskissery. The vast majority of the public think that getting out of the EU will solve the immigration problem. They may be wrong in the short term if Cameron is suicidal enough to try going the EEA route in the teeth of a Leave vote on the basis of controlling immigration, if the government goes full kipper it will definitely reduce immigration. Whether they are right or wrong at this stage is beside the point, if the new immigration figures are much higher than last year, it will increase the turn out for Leave voters, the last thing the PM wants. I know this, you know this, Uncle Tom Cobley could have a fair guess at this, so please don't insult our intelligence.
Tosh? What has illegal immigration got to do with the EU. What about the legal non EU immigration figures? Are Leave united around not even joining the EEA/EFTA? Can Leave actually tell us what they want us to vote for please? Certainly you had better tell the people of Sunderland and all the workers dependant on the Nissan factory. Renault/Nissan are already building a direct rival to the Sunderland built Nissan/Renault Qashqai... the Kadjar - built in Spain and it's typically £2000 cheaper.
Despite never voting for Cameron or the Tories, I have no problem with him being a cheer leader for remain and doing everything in his power to keep us in the EU.
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
But the negotiation process was designed to humour the Tory backbenches, not the voters. I think most voters see it as a ridiculous charade - it's blindingly obvious that Cameron never had the remotest intention of leaving the EU.
It's amazing that so many Tories apparently believed otherwise.
2 out of 22 caucus sites now have Cruz way way way ahead in Maine.
It seems I was right about the debate terminating Trump, and Cruz winning it.
Caucuses favour Cruz, Maine would be a big upset but Trump could still win Louisiana and Kentucky.
Kentucky is also a caucus.
Maine should have been one of Trumps best states, it's right next to N.H and Massachusetts, yet Cruz is winning there by almost 2-1. I think it was the debate that did it.
Despite never voting for Cameron or the Tories, I have no problem with him being a cheer leader for remain and doing everything in his power to keep us in the EU.
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
You are being as inventive as the nutjob Leavers. And with every post they make the Leavers are betraying themselves as grade a nutjobs. It's not about the EU its about anti Cameron its about anti Cameron Osborne. It's about anti a centrist mainstream Conservative Party. It's about evangelising for the true religion. Laughably they sneer at the Corbynite cult without any sense of self awareness...
Go ahead and join Peter Bone in applauding and praising George Galloway and supporting Farage in dumping Carswell. You plonkers!
So Trump finally after so many months collapsed, after the Fox debate. Cruz is picking up the pieces, he's winning Maine which means that he will win the rest too.
I particularly enjoyed the nonsense about the allegedly 'true' immigration figures, which the nutjobs think he is deliberately concealing because of the referendum. No-one seems to ask what conceivable relevance illegal immigration has to the question of whether the UK should stay in the EU or not.
That load of utter tosh is beneath even your level of asskissery. The vast majority of the public think that getting out of the EU will solve the immigration problem. They may be wrong in the short term if Cameron is suicidal enough to try going the EEA route in the teeth of a Leave vote on the basis of controlling immigration, if the government goes full kipper it will definitely reduce immigration. Whether they are right or wrong at this stage is beside the point, if the new immigration figures are much higher than last year, it will increase the turn out for Leave voters, the last thing the PM wants. I know this, you know this, Uncle Tom Cobley could have a fair guess at this, so please don't insult our intelligence.
Tosh? What has illegal immigration got to do with the EU. What about the legal non EU immigration figures? Are Leave united around not even joining the EEA/EFTA? Can Leave actually tell us what they want us to vote for please? Certainly you had better tell the people of Sunderland and all the workers dependant on the Nissan factory. Renault/Nissan are already building a direct rival to the Sunderland built Nissan/Renault Qashqai... the Kadjar - built in Spain and it's typically £2000 cheaper.
Are Nissan closing the Sunderland plant then?
Meantime nobody has warned Honda the world will fall in if we leave:
So Trump finally after so many months collapsed, after the Fox debate. Cruz is picking up the pieces, he's winning Maine which means that he will win the rest too.
You are exaggerating things to a ridiculous degree, you cannot say Cruz is going to be nominee on less than 5% in from a few caucuses in Maine!! If Cruz wins Louisiana, Kentucky, Kansas and Maine tonight clearly that may be a slight possibility, if not a probability but certainly not at this very early stage. I would agree he is now Trump's main rival
This is about as likely as your posts at 11.30pm a fortnight ago that Trump had lost South Carolina based on a handful of titbits from a few exit polls, which were not even the headline numbers
Who cares, Cruz is beating Trump in Maine big time.
There is barely a trickle of results in, most Maine results will not be in until 8pm ET ie around 12-1am UK time
The margins of Cruz's lead over Trump are so big that it will be difficult for Trump to beat him.
Many of these are from areas where Paul won in 2012, Romney won the state. It is also a caucus which helps Cruz
Well Cruz is leading by 2-1 in Waldo, Hancock and Kennebeck counties, those are counties that Paul won in 2012, but the margins for Cruz are much larger.
There has been zero polling in Maine that I saw It's not surprising that it favours Trump and Cruz since (a) it was a strong Perot state with a big white working-class and (b) its conservatives are really conservative It's consistent with Cruz winning about 1 in 3 states so far, but the margin seems really big. Maybe this is the Ben Carson vote coming home It certainly does NOT prove or disprove anything about the debates, since we don't know the status quo ante in Maine
So Trump finally after so many months collapsed, after the Fox debate. Cruz is picking up the pieces, he's winning Maine which means that he will win the rest too.
You are exaggerating things to a ridiculous degree, you cannot say Cruz is going to be nominee on less than 5% in from a few caucuses in Maine!! If Cruz wins Louisiana, Kentucky, Kansas and Maine tonight clearly that may be a slight possibility, if not a probability but certainly not at this very early stage. I would agree he is now Trump's main rival
This is about as likely as your posts at 11.30pm a fortnight ago that Trump had lost South Carolina based on a handful of titbits from a few exit polls, which were not even the headline numbers
OK maybe i'm overreacting, however 3 out of 22 is 13.5% in , and the margins are very big.
So Trump finally after so many months collapsed, after the Fox debate. Cruz is picking up the pieces, he's winning Maine which means that he will win the rest too.
You are exaggerating things to a ridiculous degree, you cannot say Cruz is going to be nominee on less than 5% in from a few caucuses in Maine!! If Cruz wins Louisiana, Kentucky, Kansas and Maine tonight clearly that may be a slight possibility, if not a probability but certainly not at this very early stage. I would agree he is now Trump's main rival
This is about as likely as your posts at 11.30pm a fortnight ago that Trump had lost South Carolina based on a handful of titbits from a few exit polls, which were not even the headline numbers
OK maybe i'm overreacting, however 3 out of 22 is 13.5% in , and the margins are very big.
Once we have 12 in you will be able to make a clearer prediction and we also need to see the other 3 states results too (though the fact all bar Louisiana is a caucus will help Cruz, so bear that in mind)
Despite never voting for Cameron or the Tories, I have no problem with him being a cheer leader for remain and doing everything in his power to keep us in the EU.
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
You are being as inventive as the nutjob Leavers. And with every post they make the Leavers are betraying themselves as grade a nutjobs. It's not about the EU its about anti Cameron its about anti Cameron Osborne. It's about anti a centrist mainstream Conservative Party. It's about evangelising for the true religion. Laughably they sneer at the Corbynite cult without any sense of self awareness...
Go ahead and join Peter Bone in applauding and praising George Galloway and supporting Farage in dumping Carswell. You plonkers!
Leavers often sound like true believers reciting articles of faith - "govern ourselves" "throw off the bureaucracy" "independence day" and even "come into the light" .
This hardly amounts to a practical and coherent vision of the future.
Despite never voting for Cameron or the Tories, I have no problem with him being a cheer leader for remain and doing everything in his power to keep us in the EU.
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
You are being as inventive as the nutjob Leavers. And with every post they make the Leavers are betraying themselves as grade a nutjobs. It's not about the EU its about anti Cameron its about anti Cameron Osborne. It's about anti a centrist mainstream Conservative Party. It's about evangelising for the true religion. Laughably they sneer at the Corbynite cult without any sense of self awareness...
Go ahead and join Peter Bone in applauding and praising George Galloway and supporting Farage in dumping Carswell. You plonkers!
So Trump finally after so many months collapsed, after the Fox debate. Cruz is picking up the pieces, he's winning Maine which means that he will win the rest too.
You are exaggerating things to a ridiculous degree, you cannot say Cruz is going to be nominee on less than 5% in from a few caucuses in Maine!! If Cruz wins Louisiana, Kentucky, Kansas and Maine tonight clearly that may be a slight possibility, if not a probability but certainly not at this very early stage. I would agree he is now Trump's main rival
This is about as likely as your posts at 11.30pm a fortnight ago that Trump had lost South Carolina based on a handful of titbits from a few exit polls, which were not even the headline numbers
OK maybe i'm overreacting, however 3 out of 22 is 13.5% in , and the margins are very big.
Once we have 12 in you will be able to make a clearer prediction and we also need to see the other 3 states results too (though the fact all bar Louisiana is a caucus will help Cruz, so bear that in mind)
Actually I'm waiting for Cumberland county to decide who won Maine. That's a county that should go to Trump, but it has to go heavily for him to balance the 2-1 margins for Cruz in the Ron Paul counties.
Despite never voting for Cameron or the Tories, I have no problem with him being a cheer leader for remain and doing everything in his power to keep us in the EU.
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
You are being as inventive as the nutjob Leavers. And with every post they make the Leavers are betraying themselves as grade a nutjobs. It's not about the EU its about anti Cameron its about anti Cameron Osborne. It's about anti a centrist mainstream Conservative Party. It's about evangelising for the true religion. Laughably they sneer at the Corbynite cult without any sense of self awareness...
Go ahead and join Peter Bone in applauding and praising George Galloway and supporting Farage in dumping Carswell. You plonkers!
Leavers often sound like true believers reciting articles of faith - "govern ourselves" "throw off the bureaucracy" "independence day" and even "come into the light" .
This hardly amounts to a practical and coherent vision of the future.
But, it's more attractive than the defeatism that comes from their opponents.
Despite never voting for Cameron or the Tories, I have no problem with him being a cheer leader for remain and doing everything in his power to keep us in the EU.
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
You are being as inventive as the nutjob Leavers. And with every post they make the Leavers are betraying themselves as grade a nutjobs. It's not about the EU its about anti Cameron its about anti Cameron Osborne. It's about anti a centrist mainstream Conservative Party. It's about evangelising for the true religion. Laughably they sneer at the Corbynite cult without any sense of self awareness...
Go ahead and join Peter Bone in applauding and praising George Galloway and supporting Farage in dumping Carswell. You plonkers!
Leavers often sound like true believers reciting articles of faith - "govern ourselves" "throw off the bureaucracy" "independence day" and even "come into the light" .
This hardly amounts to a practical and coherent vision of the future.
No-one is claiming such words represent the practical and coherent vision of the future. If you want one of those, here you are.
Despite never voting for Cameron or the Tories, I have no problem with him being a cheer leader for remain and doing everything in his power to keep us in the EU.
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
You are being as inventive as the nutjob Leavers. And with every post they make the Leavers are betraying themselves as grade a nutjobs. It's not about the EU its about anti Cameron its about anti Cameron Osborne. It's about anti a centrist mainstream Conservative Party. It's about evangelising for the true religion. Laughably they sneer at the Corbynite cult without any sense of self awareness...
Go ahead and join Peter Bone in applauding and praising George Galloway and supporting Farage in dumping Carswell. You plonkers!
Blimey, seems like 45% of voters are nutjobs.
It was clearly absurd to vote Labour at the general election, but many did.
Despite never voting for Cameron or the Tories, I have no problem with him being a cheer leader for remain and doing everything in his power to keep us in the EU.
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
You are being as inventive as the nutjob Leavers. And with every post they make the Leavers are betraying themselves as grade a nutjobs. It's not about the EU its about anti Cameron its about anti Cameron Osborne. It's about anti a centrist mainstream Conservative Party. It's about evangelising for the true religion. Laughably they sneer at the Corbynite cult without any sense of self awareness...
Go ahead and join Peter Bone in applauding and praising George Galloway and supporting Farage in dumping Carswell. You plonkers!
Leavers often sound like true believers reciting articles of faith - "govern ourselves" "throw off the bureaucracy" "independence day" and even "come into the light" .
This hardly amounts to a practical and coherent vision of the future.
No, and it may not be enough. But against an unloved alternate vision, there is still a reasonable chance it will be enough.
Despite never voting for Cameron or the Tories, I have no problem with him being a cheer leader for remain and doing everything in his power to keep us in the EU.
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
And with every post they make the Leavers are betraying themselves as grade a nutjobs. It's not about the EU its about anti Cameron its about anti Cameron Osborne. It's about anti a centrist mainstream Conservative Party.
There's some of that, but that is not all there is. If Cameron could stay in place whatever the result, or at least it was certain the Tories would not deviate too much from his mostly moderate positions, that would satisfy me as a non Tory much more than those who see it as an opportunity to turn everything upside down that Cameron touched. It's an unfortunate distraction to the EU contest for some, not all, anti_Cameron Tories (that is, the historical ones, not the new converts) seeing this as a wider thing.
Despite never voting for Cameron or the Tories, I have no problem with him being a cheer leader for remain and doing everything in his power to keep us in the EU.
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
You are being as inventive as the nutjob Leavers. And with every post they make the Leavers are betraying themselves as grade a nutjobs. It's not about the EU its about anti Cameron its about anti Cameron Osborne. It's about anti a centrist mainstream Conservative Party. It's about evangelising for the true religion. Laughably they sneer at the Corbynite cult without any sense of self awareness...
Go ahead and join Peter Bone in applauding and praising George Galloway and supporting Farage in dumping Carswell. You plonkers!
Steven Whaley left the website yesterday because of how rude and brash some people were being. Why don't you make your arguments without being rude??
I can't find any polls on Maine so to be frank we have no idea whether Cruz doing well is a surprise or not. Also caucuses tell us nowhere as much as primaries.
If the race does boils down very quickly to Cruz v Trump (and t'sa very big if) then a Trump victory is not quite a done deal yet. There are some huge winner-takes-all primaries coming up.
From a Democratic point of view though it matters little, it's debatable whether Cruz is anymore electable than Trump. In fact as a full on Tea Party Conservative his chances are probably slimmer.
Despite never voting for Cameron or the Tories, I have no problem with him being a cheer leader for remain and doing everything in his power to keep us in the EU.
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
You are being as inventive as the nutjob Leavers. And with every post they make the Leavers are betraying themselves as grade a nutjobs. It's not about the EU its about anti Cameron its about anti Cameron Osborne. It's about anti a centrist mainstream Conservative Party. It's about evangelising for the true religion. Laughably they sneer at the Corbynite cult without any sense of self awareness...
Go ahead and join Peter Bone in applauding and praising George Galloway and supporting Farage in dumping Carswell. You plonkers!
Blimey, seems like 45% of voters are nutjobs.
It was clearly absurd to vote Labour at the general election, but many did.
Why not try engaging with critics of the EU, rather than just calling them names?
Despite never voting for Cameron or the Tories, I have no problem with him being a cheer leader for remain and doing everything in his power to keep us in the EU.
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
You are being as inventive as the nutjob Leavers. And with every post they make the Leavers are betraying themselves as grade a nutjobs. It's not about the EU its about anti Cameron its about anti Cameron Osborne. It's about anti a centrist mainstream Conservative Party. It's about evangelising for the true religion. Laughably they sneer at the Corbynite cult without any sense of self awareness...
Go ahead and join Peter Bone in applauding and praising George Galloway and supporting Farage in dumping Carswell. You plonkers!
Leavers often sound like true believers reciting articles of faith - "govern ourselves" "throw off the bureaucracy" "independence day" and even "come into the light" .
This hardly amounts to a practical and coherent vision of the future.
But, it's more attractive than the defeatism that comes from their opponents.
"Defeatism" - interesting way of looking at it. Are we in some kind of war with other EU countries which we will somehow "win" if we leave?
Interesting to see these straws in the wind of Cruz potentially challenging in Maine of all places...
Personally I think Cruz would stand less chance in a general election than Trump (though admittedly the head-to-head polls are saying something different for now).
Despite never voting for Cameron or the Tories, I have no problem with him being a cheer leader for remain and doing everything in his power to keep us in the EU.
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
You are being as inventive as the nutjob Leavers. And with every post they make the Leavers are betraying themselves as grade a nutjobs. It's not about the EU its about anti Cameron its about anti Cameron Osborne. It's about anti a centrist mainstream Conservative Party. It's about evangelising for the true religion. Laughably they sneer at the Corbynite cult without any sense of self awareness...
Go ahead and join Peter Bone in applauding and praising George Galloway and supporting Farage in dumping Carswell. You plonkers!
Blimey, seems like 45% of voters are nutjobs.
It was clearly absurd to vote Labour at the general election, but many did.
Why not try engaging with critics of the EU, rather than just calling them names?
You mean engage in debate with the pro Leavers on here who trot out the word liar in every post they make on here .
Interesting to see these straws in the wind of Cruz potentially challenging in Maine of all places...
Personally I think Cruz would stand less chance in a general election than Trump (though admittedly the head-to-head polls are saying something different for now).
Cruz is a social extremist, of course he would lose.
Interesting to see these straws in the wind of Cruz potentially challenging in Maine of all places...
Personally I think Cruz would stand less chance in a general election than Trump (though admittedly the head-to-head polls are saying something different for now).
Cruz is really setting himself up as next in line for 2020 if Trump loses in November, he will probably keep the contest going until New York and Pennsylvania vote at the end of April but I think Trump still wins in the end
So, would Cruz or Trump be a better general election candidate?
Cruz'd wound but not split the party. Republicans would hate him but get in line. Trump would cause a split, and some Republicans would endorse Hillary Clinton Cruz might be more repellent to low-income white voters, and less repellent to ethnic minorities (not 100 per cent sure about that one) The Clinton-Cruz map would look more like the post-2000 Bush and Obama alignment than Clinton-Trump. Put plainly, I think Trump would be more likely than Generic-R to win Pennsylvania and Maine, but also to lose Georgia and North Carolina I think Cruz outcomes are in a narrower range, in which the conservative core vote secures the usual states, while the post-2000 swing states are repelled
So, would Cruz or Trump be a better general election candidate?
Cruz'd wound but not split the party. Republicans would hate him but get in line. Trump would cause a split, and some Republicans would endorse Hillary Clinton Cruz might be more repellent to low-income white voters, and less repellent to ethnic minorities (not 100 per cent sure about that one) The Clinton-Cruz map would look more like the post-2000 Bush and Obama alignment than Clinton-Trump. Put plainly, I think Trump would be more likely than Generic-R to win Pennsylvania and Maine, but also to lose Georgia and North Carolina I think Cruz outcomes are in a narrower range, in which the conservative core vote secures the usual states, while the post-2000 swing states are repelled
Trump of course. Cruz is all God, Guns and Bible, a more polished version of Rick Santorum.
Interesting to see these straws in the wind of Cruz potentially challenging in Maine of all places...
Personally I think Cruz would stand less chance in a general election than Trump (though admittedly the head-to-head polls are saying something different for now).
Cruz is a social extremist, of course he would lose.
Also, even leaving policy aside, he suffers from EdMiliband-itis -- comes across as too dull and weird to even get people to pay attention to what he has to say, which means he won't be able to drown out the negative campaigning from the other side.
Trump, if nothing else, will always get people to pay attention to him, which might pay off if he starts moderating some of his rhetoric in the general election.
Interesting to see these straws in the wind of Cruz potentially challenging in Maine of all places...
Personally I think Cruz would stand less chance in a general election than Trump (though admittedly the head-to-head polls are saying something different for now).
Cruz is a social extremist, of course he would lose.
Unlike the guy who wants to kill families of terrorists.
Despite never voting for Cameron or the Tories, I have no problem with him being a cheer leader for remain and doing everything in his power to keep us in the EU.
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
You are being as inventive as the nutjob Leavers. And with every post they make the Leavers are betraying themselves as grade a nutjobs. It's not about the EU its about anti Cameron its about anti Cameron Osborne. It's about anti a centrist mainstream Conservative Party. It's about evangelising for the true religion. Laughably they sneer at the Corbynite cult without any sense of self awareness...
Go ahead and join Peter Bone in applauding and praising George Galloway and supporting Farage in dumping Carswell. You plonkers!
Leavers often sound like true believers reciting articles of faith - "govern ourselves" "throw off the bureaucracy" "independence day" and even "come into the light" .
This hardly amounts to a practical and coherent vision of the future.
But, it's more attractive than the defeatism that comes from their opponents.
"Defeatism" - interesting way of looking at it. Are we in some kind of war with other EU countries which we will somehow "win" if we leave?
nah it's more about people who have given up on their compatriots.
Despite never voting for Cameron or the Tories, I have no problem with him being a cheer leader for remain and doing everything in his power to keep us in the EU.
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
You are being as inventive as the nutjob Leavers. And with every post they make the Leavers are betraying themselves as grade a nutjobs. It's not about the EU its about anti Cameron its about anti Cameron Osborne. It's about anti a centrist mainstream Conservative Party. It's about evangelising for the true religion. Laughably they sneer at the Corbynite cult without any sense of self awareness...
Go ahead and join Peter Bone in applauding and praising George Galloway and supporting Farage in dumping Carswell. You plonkers!
Leavers often sound like true believers reciting articles of faith - "govern ourselves" "throw off the bureaucracy" "independence day" and even "come into the light" .
This hardly amounts to a practical and coherent vision of the future.
But, it's more attractive than the defeatism that comes from their opponents.
"Defeatism" - interesting way of looking at it. Are we in some kind of war with other EU countries which we will somehow "win" if we leave?
The defeatism lies with predicting horrors if we leave the EU.
Interesting to see these straws in the wind of Cruz potentially challenging in Maine of all places...
Personally I think Cruz would stand less chance in a general election than Trump (though admittedly the head-to-head polls are saying something different for now).
Cruz is a social extremist, of course he would lose.
Unlike the guy who wants to kill families of terrorists.
While enforcing the Bible as the law of the land is not ?
Despite never voting for Cameron or the Tories, I have no problem with him being a cheer leader for remain and doing everything in his power to keep us in the EU.
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
You are being as inventive as the nutjob Leavers. And with every post they make the Leavers are betraying themselves as grade a nutjobs. It's not about the EU its about anti Cameron its about anti Cameron Osborne. It's about anti a centrist mainstream Conservative Party. It's about evangelising for the true religion. Laughably they sneer at the Corbynite cult without any sense of self awareness...
Go ahead and join Peter Bone in applauding and praising George Galloway and supporting Farage in dumping Carswell. You plonkers!
Blimey, seems like 45% of voters are nutjobs.
It was clearly absurd to vote Labour at the general election, but many did.
Why not try engaging with critics of the EU, rather than just calling them names?
You mean engage in debate with the pro Leavers on here who trot out the word liar in every post they make on here .
There are plenty of Leave supporters here who don't call their opponents liars, a fact you are well aware of.
Despite never voting for Cameron or the Tories, I have no problem with him being a cheer leader for remain and doing everything in his power to keep us in the EU.
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
You are being as inventive as the nutjob Leavers. And with every post they make the Leavers are betraying themselves as grade a nutjobs. It's not about the EU its about anti Cameron its about anti Cameron Osborne. It's about anti a centrist mainstream Conservative Party. It's about evangelising for the true religion. Laughably they sneer at the Corbynite cult without any sense of self awareness...
Go ahead and join Peter Bone in applauding and praising George Galloway and supporting Farage in dumping Carswell. You plonkers!
Blimey, seems like 45% of voters are nutjobs.
It was clearly absurd to vote Labour at the general election, but many did.
Why not try engaging with critics of the EU, rather than just calling them names?
You mean engage in debate with the pro Leavers on here who trot out the word liar in every post they make on here .
Spot on. The hypocrisy is breath taking- G20 says something about BREXIT and its "Project Fear" whilst certain posters on PB make endless statements about the UK being swamped with immigrants if we REMAIN knowing full well that if we leave we will almost certainly end up with a trade deal that makes not a jot of difference to free movement.
Despite never voting for Cameron or the Tories, I have no problem with him being a cheer leader for remain and doing everything in his power to keep us in the EU.
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
You are being as inventive as the nutjob Leavers. And with every post they make the Leavers are betraying themselves as grade a nutjobs. It's not about the EU its about anti Cameron its about anti Cameron Osborne. It's about anti a centrist mainstream Conservative Party. It's about evangelising for the true religion. Laughably they sneer at the Corbynite cult without any sense of self awareness...
Go ahead and join Peter Bone in applauding and praising George Galloway and supporting Farage in dumping Carswell. You plonkers!
Blimey, seems like 45% of voters are nutjobs.
It was clearly absurd to vote Labour at the general election, but many did.
Why not try engaging with critics of the EU, rather than just calling them names?
You mean engage in debate with the pro Leavers on here who trot out the word liar in every post they make on here .
There are plenty of Leave supporters here who don't call their opponents liars, a fact you are well aware of.
Anyways Mr F, I hope all's well with you this has been one of the weirder periods on PB.
Despite never voting for Cameron or the Tories, I have no problem with him being a cheer leader for remain and doing everything in his power to keep us in the EU.
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
You are being as inventive as the nutjob Leavers. And with every post they make the Leavers are betraying themselves as grade a nutjobs. It's not about the EU its about anti Cameron its about anti Cameron Osborne. It's about anti a centrist mainstream Conservative Party. It's about evangelising for the true religion. Laughably they sneer at the Corbynite cult without any sense of self awareness...
Go ahead and join Peter Bone in applauding and praising George Galloway and supporting Farage in dumping Carswell. You plonkers!
Blimey, seems like 45% of voters are nutjobs.
It was clearly absurd to vote Labour at the general election, but many did.
Why not try engaging with critics of the EU, rather than just calling them names?
You mean engage in debate with the pro Leavers on here who trot out the word liar in every post they make on here .
There are plenty of Leave supporters here who don't call their opponents liars, a fact you are well aware of.
Of course when (doesn't look like if at the moment) Trump loses to Cruz tonight in most states, the question will arise as to why that happened.
I think Trump made a big mistake going on the Fox debate and also making a big mistake pitching to a GE audience before the primaries were over.
Softening on immigration and saying the word "flexible" all the time and "changing my position" on top of the Fox videos and attacks that Trump is an impostor, all that in 2 hours in front of national TV was probably what did it.
Despite never voting for Cameron or the Tories, I have no problem with him being a cheer leader for remain and doing everything in his power to keep us in the EU.
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
You are being as inventive as the nutjob Leavers. And with every post they make the Leavers are betraying themselves as grade a nutjobs. It's not about the EU its about anti Cameron its about anti Cameron Osborne. It's about anti a centrist mainstream Conservative Party. It's about evangelising for the true religion. Laughably they sneer at the Corbynite cult without any sense of self awareness...
Go ahead and join Peter Bone in applauding and praising George Galloway and supporting Farage in dumping Carswell. You plonkers!
Blimey, seems like 45% of voters are nutjobs.
It was clearly absurd to vote Labour at the general election, but many did.
Why not try engaging with critics of the EU, rather than just calling them names?
I am a critic of the EU. I would not be too fussed about an Area/EFTA - EU arrangement like Norway's. But I know it would be little different to now. Manic Leavers are majoring on an immigration project fear so need to turn against the EEA exit door. But that is an even bigger leap into the dark for our economy. And this difference is why leave cannot tell us where they want to leave to and have only an airy fairy way to get there anyway.
The plain fact is emerging as I said that for many on the right it is an issue not of the EU but of s desire to take over the Tory party despite it successfully recovering its centrist mainstream position.
And as far as I can see the name calling is coming from Leavers and their target in personalising this referendum is Cameron.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/rubio-scrambles-to-undo-trump-in-florida-220243
But I thought it an insult to every voter's intelligence to pretend he had any intention of conducting serious negotiations to achieve change. It was a childish game of 'Let's humour the loons and fruitcakes, they're not very bright.'
We know politicians believe the voters are fools, but please be subtle about it.
Will try to get a few helpers next time, it's not so fun on your own.
I have caught up with 6 episodes of Trapped instead. Which is enjoyable despite being Nordically ponderous. I keep seeing buildings in Reykjavik and going "Oooh - I know where that is!"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11985075/David-Cameron-vows-to-seize-control-of-Britains-borders-as-he-sets-out-his-demands-for-EU-reform.html So not quite Armageddon then.
A Rubio loss, Cruz's orbit believes, would then set up the two-man race with Donald Trump they believe they are destined for -- and absolutely need -- to win.
"Florida's a burning dumpster fire for Marco Rubio," said Cruz spokesman Ron Nehring. "If he doesn't win his own state, it's hard to rationalize going forward."
Just yesterday people on here pledged to stop gratuitous insults but here you go being rude needlessly. Learn some manners. Would you speak to people like that in real life??
There have been no polls since the Fox debate, so we are flying blind.
But Cruz has torpedoed the Romney plan:
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/04/politics/ted-cruz-marco-rubio-florida/index.html
"Cruz's aides and allies are preparing an aggressive effort to keep Marco Rubio from winning his home state of Florida on March 15, a blow they hope would render Rubio's path to the GOP nomination unimaginable and force him to withdraw.
A Rubio loss, Cruz's orbit believes, would then set up the two-man race with Donald Trump they believe they are destined for -- and absolutely need -- to win."
The situation reminds me of an old Top Gear episode were the 3 had alfa romeo's and they where at a race track, their strategy was to cooperate to block everyone and get stuck behind them, until Hammond decided to break away and they lost the race:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4xniFkFdfA
https://twitter.com/AERatterree/status/706181851660972032
In 2012 the same county had Paul 34, Romney 28, Santorum 26, the whole Main results where Romney 38, Paul 36, Santorum 18.
It could be very close in Maine.
It could be that the debate damaged Trump and Rubio so much, Cruz wins.
For full disclosure I laid £20 @ 10.5 Nom, backed £40 @ 40.0 POTUS.
Are Leave united around not even joining the EEA/EFTA?
Can Leave actually tell us what they want us to vote for please?
Certainly you had better tell the people of Sunderland and all the workers dependant on the Nissan factory. Renault/Nissan are already building a direct rival to the Sunderland built Nissan/Renault Qashqai... the Kadjar - built in Spain and it's typically £2000 cheaper.
I am (nom)
Rubio -717
Trump +775
Cruz +585
Pres
Trump +570
The field -110
Early days yet but perhaps a wholesale transfer of Rubio -> Cruz going on.
Cruz 410
Trump 220
https://twitter.com/AERatterree/status/706188476962709504
2 out of 22 caucus sites now have Cruz way way way ahead in Maine.
It seems I was right about the debate terminating Trump, and Cruz winning it.
Speedy's got a second
It's amazing that so many Tories apparently believed otherwise.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-05/mardi-gras-2016-celebrations/7223788
Maine should have been one of Trumps best states, it's right next to N.H and Massachusetts, yet Cruz is winning there by almost 2-1.
I think it was the debate that did it.
Go ahead and join Peter Bone in applauding and praising George Galloway and supporting Farage in dumping Carswell. You plonkers!
https://twitter.com/Mark_Ellis/status/706196880103972868
So Trump finally after so many months collapsed, after the Fox debate.
Cruz is picking up the pieces, he's winning Maine which means that he will win the rest too.
Meantime nobody has warned Honda the world will fall in if we leave:
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/mar/31/honda-200m-investment-record-week-uk-car-industry-swindon-factory-civic
This is about as likely as your posts at 11.30pm a fortnight ago that Trump had lost South Carolina based on a handful of titbits from a few exit polls, which were not even the headline numbers
It's not surprising that it favours Trump and Cruz since (a) it was a strong Perot state with a big white working-class and (b) its conservatives are really conservative
It's consistent with Cruz winning about 1 in 3 states so far, but the margin seems really big. Maybe this is the Ben Carson vote coming home
It certainly does NOT prove or disprove anything about the debates, since we don't know the status quo ante in Maine
This hardly amounts to a practical and coherent vision of the future.
That's a county that should go to Trump, but it has to go heavily for him to balance the 2-1 margins for Cruz in the Ron Paul counties.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2013/PPP_Release_ME_111313.pdf
http://www.iea.org.uk/brexit
Trump 23
Carson 13
Bush 6
Fiorina 6
If the race does boils down very quickly to Cruz v Trump (and t'sa very big if) then a Trump victory is not quite a done deal yet. There are some huge winner-takes-all primaries coming up.
From a Democratic point of view though it matters little, it's debatable whether Cruz is anymore electable than Trump. In fact as a full on Tea Party Conservative his chances are probably slimmer.
Mark J. Ellis @Mark_Ellis 33s34 seconds ago
In Portland, #Maine's largest city, @tedcruz beats @realDonaldTrump. @JohnKasich 3rd #mepolitics #mecaucus #unofficial
Personally I think Cruz would stand less chance in a general election than Trump (though admittedly the head-to-head polls are saying something different for now).
Cruz'd wound but not split the party. Republicans would hate him but get in line. Trump would cause a split, and some Republicans would endorse Hillary Clinton
Cruz might be more repellent to low-income white voters, and less repellent to ethnic minorities (not 100 per cent sure about that one)
The Clinton-Cruz map would look more like the post-2000 Bush and Obama alignment than Clinton-Trump. Put plainly, I think Trump would be more likely than Generic-R to win Pennsylvania and Maine, but also to lose Georgia and North Carolina
I think Cruz outcomes are in a narrower range, in which the conservative core vote secures the usual states, while the post-2000 swing states are repelled
Cruz is all God, Guns and Bible, a more polished version of Rick Santorum.
Trump, if nothing else, will always get people to pay attention to him, which might pay off if he starts moderating some of his rhetoric in the general election.
Also Rubio has got the flu in the last few days. Ted is taking full advantage.
Yet another retreat. What does Osborne believe in? He has no steel.
I think Trump made a big mistake going on the Fox debate and also making a big mistake pitching to a GE audience before the primaries were over.
Softening on immigration and saying the word "flexible" all the time and "changing my position" on top of the Fox videos and attacks that Trump is an impostor, all that in 2 hours in front of national TV was probably what did it.
I would not be too fussed about an Area/EFTA - EU arrangement like Norway's. But I know it would be little different to now.
Manic Leavers are majoring on an immigration project fear so need to turn against the EEA exit door. But that is an even bigger leap into the dark for our economy. And this difference is why leave cannot tell us where they want to leave to and have only an airy fairy way to get there anyway.
The plain fact is emerging as I said that for many on the right it is an issue not of the EU but of s desire to take over the Tory party despite it successfully recovering its centrist mainstream position.
And as far as I can see the name calling is coming from Leavers and their target in personalising this referendum is Cameron.