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You wouldn’t know if you only received your news from the London media but there are three general elections in the UK this year.

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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    I can hardly be first surely?
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    peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,875
    Lucky you - I messed-up!
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,501
    edited March 2016
    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,988
    Mr. Eagles, you think the Scottish Labour leader is set to become the political leader of Scotland?
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    peter_from_putney said:

    Lucky you - I messed-up!

    total chance - it had to happen
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,329
    A Tory MSP put it well recently. The Tories have a ceiling but Labour don't have a floor. How bad can it get? I would be genuinely surprised if Labour win a single constituency seat but I still think they will win enough list seats to pip the Tories. Could be close though.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.

    I think it's worse than that for them.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,988
    F1: my pre-season ramble is here:
    http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/pre-season-f1-2016-predictions-and.html
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Yvette Cooper
    Or a very big piece of stone.... https://t.co/d4y5Ji78A3

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,501
    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.

    I think it's worse than that for them.
    Like the Bulgars after Kleidion?
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Amazing how well the SNP has done since their most unpopular policy left the table.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.

    I think it's worse than that for them.
    Like the Bulgars after Kleidion?
    Like a briish PM standing sheepishly aside while a French President threatens his country ?
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.

    Scottish labour have had a strong representation in labour govts that have made a horlicks of governing Brtain, so its no surprise they have collapsed in Scotland!
    I am not sure what the point is of voting for a non aligned party in westminster elections where it can never influence government and where an English electorate would be unlikely to vote for a party who offered to let it.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,501
    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.

    I think it's worse than that for them.
    Like the Bulgars after Kleidion?
    Like a briish PM standing sheepishly aside while a French President threatens his country ?
    The British public loved it.

    YouGov has recorded four consecutive leads for Remain since the last published poll, suggesting a movement towards the Remain side in the first two weeks of campaigning

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/03/05/remain-retakes-lead-eu-referendum/
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.

    I think it's worse than that for them.
    Like the Bulgars after Kleidion?
    Like a briish PM standing sheepishly aside while a French President threatens his country ?
    The British public loved it.

    YouGov has recorded four consecutive leads for Remain since the last published poll, suggesting a movement towards the Remain side in the first two weeks of campaigning

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/03/05/remain-retakes-lead-eu-referendum/
    not so much standing up for Britain as kneeling down and unzipping for Britain.
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    O/T In these referendum times, worthwhile to renew our acquaintance with M.Thatcher's speech in Bruges in 1988.....
    http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/107332
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,345
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.

    I think it's worse than that for them.
    Like the Bulgars after Kleidion?
    Like a briish PM standing sheepishly aside while a French President threatens his country ?
    The British public loved it.

    YouGov has recorded four consecutive leads for Remain since the last published poll, suggesting a movement towards the Remain side in the first two weeks of campaigning

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/03/05/remain-retakes-lead-eu-referendum/
    YouGov? They predicted a Tory victory in 2015 didn't they?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,501
    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.

    I think it's worse than that for them.
    Like the Bulgars after Kleidion?
    Like a briish PM standing sheepishly aside while a French President threatens his country ?
    The British public loved it.

    YouGov has recorded four consecutive leads for Remain since the last published poll, suggesting a movement towards the Remain side in the first two weeks of campaigning

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/03/05/remain-retakes-lead-eu-referendum/
    not so much standing up for Britain as kneeling down and unzipping for Britain.
    We share an aircraft carrier with the French, they are our most loyal allies.

    Remember Suez, an Anglo French partnership that was so memorable to a Tory PM, granted that PM was MacMillan and not Eden
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2016
    Hit job on Trump...I presume we will be hearing more about this stuff if Trump wins nomination.

    "Can Donald Trump ever claim to be '100% clean'?"

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35732423
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,345
    Sunil: Remember back to your early teachings. "All who gain power are afraid to lose it." Even the REMAINERS.

    TSE: The REMAINERS use their power for good.

    Sunil: Good is a point of view, Anakin, er, I mean TSE. The LEAVERS and the REMAINERS are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power.

    TSE: The LEAVERS rely on their passion for their strength. They think inward, only about themselves.

    Sunil: And the REMAINERS don't?

    TSE: The REMAINERS are selfless... they only care about others.

    Sunil: [looking a little frustrated] Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Smithson "the Wise"?

    TSE: No.

    Sunil: I thought not. It's not a story the LibDems would tell you. It's a political blogging legend. Darth Smithson was a Dark Lord of the Sith who lived many elections ago. He was so powerful and so wise that he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create... AV threads. He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying from boredom on Thursday Nights.

    TSE: He could do that? He could actually save people from boring themselves to death?

    Sunil: The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many policy platforms some consider to be unelectable.

    TSE: What happened to him?

    Sunil: He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, and then one night, his apprentice wiped his servers' hard drives while he slept. It's ironic that he could save others from obscurity, but not himself.

    TSE: Is it possible to learn this power?

    Sunil: Not from a LibDem...
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.

    I think it's worse than that for them.
    Like the Bulgars after Kleidion?
    Like a briish PM standing sheepishly aside while a French President threatens his country ?
    The British public loved it.

    YouGov has recorded four consecutive leads for Remain since the last published poll, suggesting a movement towards the Remain side in the first two weeks of campaigning

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/03/05/remain-retakes-lead-eu-referendum/
    not so much standing up for Britain as kneeling down and unzipping for Britain.
    We share an aircraft carrier with the French, they are our most loyal allies.

    Remember Suez, an Anglo French partnership that was so memorable to a Tory PM, granted that PM was MacMillan and not Eden
    Is that HMS Mers El Kebir ?

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,501
    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.

    I think it's worse than that for them.
    Like the Bulgars after Kleidion?
    Like a briish PM standing sheepishly aside while a French President threatens his country ?
    The British public loved it.

    YouGov has recorded four consecutive leads for Remain since the last published poll, suggesting a movement towards the Remain side in the first two weeks of campaigning

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/03/05/remain-retakes-lead-eu-referendum/
    not so much standing up for Britain as kneeling down and unzipping for Britain.
    We share an aircraft carrier with the French, they are our most loyal allies.

    Remember Suez, an Anglo French partnership that was so memorable to a Tory PM, granted that PM was MacMillan and not Eden
    Is that HMS Mers El Kebir ?

    No, HMS Agincourt
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,853
    FPT @Plato_Says
    Plato_Says said:

    She's written a corker here. Agree with every sentiment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476979/KATIE-HOPKINS-Did-brave-young-men-graves-Cameron-Hollande-sauntered-obscene-Somme-photocall-REALLY-die-Prime-Minister-collude-foreign-country-sell-Britain.html

    Agree with the sentiment as you feel appropriate, but her assertions of facts are debatable. In the article she states that "Your [the French] countrymen have never successfully defended Paris from the Germans, a tradition you continue to this day". Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1. Bombed, certainly, but the same could be said of London.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.

    I think it's worse than that for them.
    Like the Bulgars after Kleidion?
    Something like that. At least Zama was pretty hard-fought.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    The EU is not Europe.
    viewcode said:

    FPT @Plato_Says

    Plato_Says said:

    She's written a corker here. Agree with every sentiment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476979/KATIE-HOPKINS-Did-brave-young-men-graves-Cameron-Hollande-sauntered-obscene-Somme-photocall-REALLY-die-Prime-Minister-collude-foreign-country-sell-Britain.html

    Agree with the sentiment as you feel appropriate, but her assertions of facts are debatable. In the article she states that "Your [the French] countrymen have never successfully defended Paris from the Germans, a tradition you continue to this day". Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1. Bombed, certainly, but the same could be said of London.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,345
    viewcode said:

    FPT @Plato_Says

    Plato_Says said:

    She's written a corker here. Agree with every sentiment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476979/KATIE-HOPKINS-Did-brave-young-men-graves-Cameron-Hollande-sauntered-obscene-Somme-photocall-REALLY-die-Prime-Minister-collude-foreign-country-sell-Britain.html

    Agree with the sentiment as you feel appropriate, but her assertions of facts are debatable. In the article she states that "Your [the French] countrymen have never successfully defended Paris from the Germans, a tradition you continue to this day". Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1. Bombed, certainly, but the same could be said of London.
    Paris? It was the British Expeditionary Force wot protected the French Left Flank in August 1914!
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,345
    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.

    I think it's worse than that for them.
    Like the Bulgars after Kleidion?
    Something like that. At least Zama was pretty hard-fought.
    Or the Pakistanis in Bangladesh, 1971.
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Hollande was absolutely right..there will be consequences for the UK if we leave..impossible for there not to be..anyone who thinks there wont be is a total fool. What the UK voters have to do is consider whether they are worth it..
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.

    I think it's worse than that for them.
    Like the Bulgars after Kleidion?
    Like a briish PM standing sheepishly aside while a French President threatens his country ?
    The British public loved it.

    YouGov has recorded four consecutive leads for Remain since the last published poll, suggesting a movement towards the Remain side in the first two weeks of campaigning

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/03/05/remain-retakes-lead-eu-referendum/
    not so much standing up for Britain as kneeling down and unzipping for Britain.
    Cameron is nothing more than a Hollandaise sauce slurping surrender monkey. A national embarrassment and laughing stock. The sooner he's gone the better.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,008
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.

    I think it's worse than that for them.
    Like the Bulgars after Kleidion?
    Like a briish PM standing sheepishly aside while a French President threatens his country ?
    The British public loved it.

    YouGov has recorded four consecutive leads for Remain since the last published poll, suggesting a movement towards the Remain side in the first two weeks of campaigning

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/03/05/remain-retakes-lead-eu-referendum/
    not so much standing up for Britain as kneeling down and unzipping for Britain.
    We share an aircraft carrier with the French, they are our most loyal allies.

    Remember Suez, an Anglo French partnership that was so memorable to a Tory PM, granted that PM was MacMillan and not Eden
    Curious consequences. Eden left UK after resigning post Suez on a cruise to New Zealand. On his ship was a young steward who he got to know, and who he encouraged in his political interests. The steward was John Prescott.

    We have much for which to thank Antony Eden.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    richardDodd said:

    Hollande was absolutely right..there will be consequences for the UK if we leave..impossible for there not to be..anyone who thinks there wont be is a total fool. What the UK voters have to do is consider whether they are worth it..

    There will also be consequences for France.

    Odd our PM didn't bring that up.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,853
    Plato_Says said:

    The EU is not Europe.

    viewcode said:

    FPT @Plato_Says

    Plato_Says said:

    She's written a corker here. Agree with every sentiment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476979/KATIE-HOPKINS-Did-brave-young-men-graves-Cameron-Hollande-sauntered-obscene-Somme-photocall-REALLY-die-Prime-Minister-collude-foreign-country-sell-Britain.html

    Agree with the sentiment as you feel appropriate, but her assertions of facts are debatable. In the article she states that "Your [the French] countrymen have never successfully defended Paris from the Germans, a tradition you continue to this day". Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1. Bombed, certainly, but the same could be said of London.
    Demonstrably true, but a non-sequitur given Hopkins's inaccurate account of Paris's history

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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    :lol:
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.

    I think it's worse than that for them.
    Like the Bulgars after Kleidion?
    Like a briish PM standing sheepishly aside while a French President threatens his country ?
    The British public loved it.

    YouGov has recorded four consecutive leads for Remain since the last published poll, suggesting a movement towards the Remain side in the first two weeks of campaigning

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/03/05/remain-retakes-lead-eu-referendum/
    not so much standing up for Britain as kneeling down and unzipping for Britain.
    Cameron is nothing more than a Hollandaise sauce slurping surrender monkey. A national embarrassment and laughing stock. The sooner he's gone the better.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,853
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT @Plato_Says

    Plato_Says said:

    She's written a corker here. Agree with every sentiment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476979/KATIE-HOPKINS-Did-brave-young-men-graves-Cameron-Hollande-sauntered-obscene-Somme-photocall-REALLY-die-Prime-Minister-collude-foreign-country-sell-Britain.html

    Agree with the sentiment as you feel appropriate, but her assertions of facts are debatable. In the article she states that "Your [the French] countrymen have never successfully defended Paris from the Germans, a tradition you continue to this day". Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1. Bombed, certainly, but the same could be said of London.
    Paris? It was the British Expeditionary Force wot protected the French Left Flank in August 1914!
    This was during the successful defense of Paris? Which Hopkins denies ever having taken place
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,008
    viewcode said:

    FPT @Plato_Says

    Plato_Says said:

    She's written a corker here. Agree with every sentiment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476979/KATIE-HOPKINS-Did-brave-young-men-graves-Cameron-Hollande-sauntered-obscene-Somme-photocall-REALLY-die-Prime-Minister-collude-foreign-country-sell-Britain.html

    Agree with the sentiment as you feel appropriate, but her assertions of facts are debatable. In the article she states that "Your [the French] countrymen have never successfully defended Paris from the Germans, a tradition you continue to this day". Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1. Bombed, certainly, but the same could be said of London.
    Before WWII Paris hadn’t actually been “taken” had it since 1815 when Napoleon was defeated by a British/German alliance at Waterloo?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,329
    Hopkins may have a dodgy understanding of history but she is still right. The response of a UK PM should be how very dare you?

    A new low for Cameron.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    The whole article is more than a single nitpicked line.
    viewcode said:

    Plato_Says said:

    The EU is not Europe.

    viewcode said:

    FPT @Plato_Says

    Plato_Says said:

    She's written a corker here. Agree with every sentiment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476979/KATIE-HOPKINS-Did-brave-young-men-graves-Cameron-Hollande-sauntered-obscene-Somme-photocall-REALLY-die-Prime-Minister-collude-foreign-country-sell-Britain.html

    Agree with the sentiment as you feel appropriate, but her assertions of facts are debatable. In the article she states that "Your [the French] countrymen have never successfully defended Paris from the Germans, a tradition you continue to this day". Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1. Bombed, certainly, but the same could be said of London.
    Demonstrably true, but a non-sequitur given Hopkins's inaccurate account of Paris's history

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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,853
    edited March 2016
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.

    I think it's worse than that for them.
    Like the Bulgars after Kleidion?
    Like a briish PM standing sheepishly aside while a French President threatens his country ?
    The British public loved it.

    YouGov has recorded four consecutive leads for Remain since the last published poll, suggesting a movement towards the Remain side in the first two weeks of campaigning

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/03/05/remain-retakes-lead-eu-referendum/
    not so much standing up for Britain as kneeling down and unzipping for Britain.
    Cameron is nothing more than a Hollandaise sauce slurping surrender monkey. A national embarrassment and laughing stock. The sooner he's gone the better.
    Ew

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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    DavidL said:

    Hopkins may have a dodgy understanding of history but she is still right. The response of a UK PM should be how very dare you?

    A new low for Cameron.

    fraid so.

    I generally give Cameron the benefit of the doubt but having a foreign leader threaten his own people looks like something you'd expect from a banana republic dictator.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    viewcode said:

    FPT @Plato_Says

    Plato_Says said:

    She's written a corker here. Agree with every sentiment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476979/KATIE-HOPKINS-Did-brave-young-men-graves-Cameron-Hollande-sauntered-obscene-Somme-photocall-REALLY-die-Prime-Minister-collude-foreign-country-sell-Britain.html

    Agree with the sentiment as you feel appropriate, but her assertions of facts are debatable. In the article she states that "Your [the French] countrymen have never successfully defended Paris from the Germans, a tradition you continue to this day". Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1. Bombed, certainly, but the same could be said of London.
    A pretty shabby smear job. The Mail continues in its mucky furrow.
    Also announced at the meeting was that we the UK would be helping airlift support for French troops in peacekeeping operations in africa. The French also announced interest in buying the UK Brimstone missile. As well as the more widely announced co-operation to build an advanced pilotless plane.
    The meeting marked the beginning of Somme commemorations. No doubt sneering snobbish commentators egged on by a clearly ignorant public will want to underplay the French role in this but it was nonetheless significant.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    OldKingCole said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT @Plato_Says

    Plato_Says said:

    She's written a corker here. Agree with every sentiment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476979/KATIE-HOPKINS-Did-brave-young-men-graves-Cameron-Hollande-sauntered-obscene-Somme-photocall-REALLY-die-Prime-Minister-collude-foreign-country-sell-Britain.html

    Agree with the sentiment as you feel appropriate, but her assertions of facts are debatable. In the article she states that "Your [the French] countrymen have never successfully defended Paris from the Germans, a tradition you continue to this day". Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1. Bombed, certainly, but the same could be said of London.
    Before WWII Paris hadn’t actually been “taken” had it since 1815 when Napoleon was defeated by a British/German alliance at Waterloo?
    Apart from 1940, 1815 and 1813 has Paris ever been captured by a foreign power?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,988
    Dr. Foxinsox, it was Lutetia under the Romans. One presumes it must've been claimed by the Visigoths and then the Franks.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,329
    OldKingCole said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT @Plato_Says

    Plato_Says said:

    She's written a corker here. Agree with every sentiment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476979/KATIE-HOPKINS-Did-brave-young-men-graves-Cameron-Hollande-sauntered-obscene-Somme-photocall-REALLY-die-Prime-Minister-collude-foreign-country-sell-Britain.html

    Agree with the sentiment as you feel appropriate, but her assertions of facts are debatable. In the article she states that "Your [the French] countrymen have never successfully defended Paris from the Germans, a tradition you continue to this day". Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1. Bombed, certainly, but the same could be said of London.
    Before WWII Paris hadn’t actually been “taken” had it since 1815 when Napoleon was defeated by a British/German alliance at Waterloo?
    Captured by the Prussians in 1871.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    And using war graves as a prop.

    I'm just offended on so many levels.
    Alanbrooke said:

    DavidL said:

    Hopkins may have a dodgy understanding of history but she is still right. The response of a UK PM should be how very dare you?

    A new low for Cameron.

    fraid so.

    I generally give Cameron the benefit of the doubt but having a foreign leader threaten his own people looks like something you'd expect from a banana republic dictator.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12184405/Jeremy-Corbyn-accused-of-rewriting-history-after-deleting-hundreds-of-outspoken-articles-and-speeches-from-his-website.html
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    richardDodd said:

    Hollande was absolutely right..there will be consequences for the UK if we leave..impossible for there not to be..anyone who thinks there wont be is a total fool. What the UK voters have to do is consider whether they are worth it..

    It's a truism. But, it sounded like Hollande was threatening the UK, and Cameron seemed happy for him to be threatening the UK.

    On balance, I think Project Fear will work, but the danger for Remain is that they will come over as being unpatriotic if they emphasise how powerless we are when foreigners want to do nasty things to us.
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited March 2016
    Alanbrooke..There will be consequences for all of the EU..that is blindingly obvious..perhaps Cameron felt he didn't need to point that out and it may have been what Hollande actually meant..but pick your own translation of his comments..
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    edited March 2016
    foxinsoxuk said:

    OldKingCole said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT @Plato_Says

    Plato_Says said:

    She's written a corker here. Agree with every sentiment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476979/KATIE-HOPKINS-Did-brave-young-men-graves-Cameron-Hollande-sauntered-obscene-Somme-photocall-REALLY-die-Prime-Minister-collude-foreign-country-sell-Britain.html

    Agree with the sentiment as you feel appropriate, but her assertions of facts are debatable. In the article she states that "Your [the French] countrymen have never successfully defended Paris from the Germans, a tradition you continue to this day". Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1. Bombed, certainly, but the same could be said of London.
    Before WWII Paris hadn’t actually been “taken” had it since 1815 when Napoleon was defeated by a British/German alliance at Waterloo?
    Apart from 1940, 1815 and 1813 has Paris ever been captured by a foreign power?
    foxinsoxuk said:

    OldKingCole said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT @Plato_Says

    Plato_Says said:

    She's written a corker here. Agree with every sentiment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476979/KATIE-HOPKINS-Did-brave-young-men-graves-Cameron-Hollande-sauntered-obscene-Somme-photocall-REALLY-die-Prime-Minister-collude-foreign-country-sell-Britain.html

    Agree with the sentiment as you feel appropriate, but her assertions of facts are debatable. In the article she states that "Your [the French] countrymen have never successfully defended Paris from the Germans, a tradition you continue to this day". Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1. Bombed, certainly, but the same could be said of London.
    Before WWII Paris hadn’t actually been “taken” had it since 1815 when Napoleon was defeated by a British/German alliance at Waterloo?
    Apart from 1940, 1815 and 1813 has Paris ever been captured by a foreign power?
    well there was that time in the 15th Century when the english actually owned the place.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    foxinsoxuk said:

    OldKingCole said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT @Plato_Says

    Plato_Says said:

    She's written a corker here. Agree with every sentiment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476979/KATIE-HOPKINS-Did-brave-young-men-graves-Cameron-Hollande-sauntered-obscene-Somme-photocall-REALLY-die-Prime-Minister-collude-foreign-country-sell-Britain.html

    Agree with the sentiment as you feel appropriate, but her assertions of facts are debatable. In the article she states that "Your [the French] countrymen have never successfully defended Paris from the Germans, a tradition you continue to this day". Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1. Bombed, certainly, but the same could be said of London.
    Before WWII Paris hadn’t actually been “taken” had it since 1815 when Napoleon was defeated by a British/German alliance at Waterloo?
    Apart from 1940, 1815 and 1813 has Paris ever been captured by a foreign power?
    The English held it from 1422-1435.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,008
    DavidL said:

    OldKingCole said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT @Plato_Says

    Plato_Says said:

    She's written a corker here. Agree with every sentiment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476979/KATIE-HOPKINS-Did-brave-young-men-graves-Cameron-Hollande-sauntered-obscene-Somme-photocall-REALLY-die-Prime-Minister-collude-foreign-country-sell-Britain.html

    Agree with the sentiment as you feel appropriate, but her assertions of facts are debatable. In the article she states that "Your [the French] countrymen have never successfully defended Paris from the Germans, a tradition you continue to this day". Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1. Bombed, certainly, but the same could be said of London.
    Before WWII Paris hadn’t actually been “taken” had it since 1815 when Napoleon was defeated by a British/German alliance at Waterloo?
    Captured by the Prussians in 1871.
    Ah yes. Quite right.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,853
    Plato_Says said:

    The whole article is more than a single nitpicked line.

    viewcode said:

    Plato_Says said:

    The EU is not Europe.

    viewcode said:

    FPT @Plato_Says

    Plato_Says said:

    She's written a corker here. Agree with every sentiment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476979/KATIE-HOPKINS-Did-brave-young-men-graves-Cameron-Hollande-sauntered-obscene-Somme-photocall-REALLY-die-Prime-Minister-collude-foreign-country-sell-Britain.html

    Agree with the sentiment as you feel appropriate, but her assertions of facts are debatable. In the article she states that "Your [the French] countrymen have never successfully defended Paris from the Germans, a tradition you continue to this day". Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1. Bombed, certainly, but the same could be said of London.
    Demonstrably true, but a non-sequitur given Hopkins's inaccurate account of Paris's history

    If Hopkins's thesis was "Cameron has capitulated to the French" then that would have been a different article. But it was "Cameron has capitulated to the French and the French suck: here's some abuse regarding the French". Nitpicking her abuse against the French is therefore a valid response.

    If she had resisted the temptation to have a go at the French and just stuck to the former point she would have had a stronger article. But she didn't and, having opened the door, it would have been impolite for me not to stroll thru it and doff my hat.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    viewcode said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT @Plato_Says

    Plato_Says said:

    She's written a corker here. Agree with every sentiment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476979/KATIE-HOPKINS-Did-brave-young-men-graves-Cameron-Hollande-sauntered-obscene-Somme-photocall-REALLY-die-Prime-Minister-collude-foreign-country-sell-Britain.html

    Agree with the sentiment as you feel appropriate, but her assertions of facts are debatable. In the article she states that "Your [the French] countrymen have never successfully defended Paris from the Germans, a tradition you continue to this day". Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1. Bombed, certainly, but the same could be said of London.
    Paris? It was the British Expeditionary Force wot protected the French Left Flank in August 1914!
    This was during the successful defense of Paris? Which Hopkins denies ever having taken place
    The French could not defend Paris.... on their own.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,988
    F1: Channel 4's calendar, including the races it has live, is up here:
    http://www.channel4.com/programmes/formula-1/articles/all/circuit-guide-2016
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    stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,779
    edited March 2016
    Are the Scots Nats still celebrating hegemony 2016? I like a hootenanny as much as the next man but isn't this a bit ridiculous.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Sean_F said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    OldKingCole said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT @Plato_Says

    Plato_Says said:

    She's written a corker here. Agree with every sentiment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476979/KATIE-HOPKINS-Did-brave-young-men-graves-Cameron-Hollande-sauntered-obscene-Somme-photocall-REALLY-die-Prime-Minister-collude-foreign-country-sell-Britain.html

    Agree with the sentiment as you feel appropriate, but her assertions of facts are debatable. In the article she states that "Your [the French] countrymen have never successfully defended Paris from the Germans, a tradition you continue to this day". Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1. Bombed, certainly, but the same could be said of London.
    Before WWII Paris hadn’t actually been “taken” had it since 1815 when Napoleon was defeated by a British/German alliance at Waterloo?
    Apart from 1940, 1815 and 1813 has Paris ever been captured by a foreign power?
    The English held it from 1422-1435.
    Arguably (I know not strictly correctly) Napoleon in 1815 was overthrown from within and he was thrown out of Paris, in the manner of Louis XVIII a few weeks earlier, rather than Paris invaded or surrendered. Davout recalled the King.

    Its worth remembering the impact of the Franco Prussian war when considering the French psychology.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Sean_F said:

    richardDodd said:

    Hollande was absolutely right..there will be consequences for the UK if we leave..impossible for there not to be..anyone who thinks there wont be is a total fool. What the UK voters have to do is consider whether they are worth it..

    It's a truism. But, it sounded like Hollande was threatening the UK, and Cameron seemed happy for him to be threatening the UK.

    On balance, I think Project Fear will work, but the danger for Remain is that they will come over as being unpatriotic if they emphasise how powerless we are when foreigners want to do nasty things to us.
    The purpose of the meeting amongst other things was to discuss all sorts of military co-operation. The point being made I would have thought was obvious.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,345
    foxinsoxuk said:

    OldKingCole said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT @Plato_Says

    Plato_Says said:

    She's written a corker here. Agree with every sentiment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476979/KATIE-HOPKINS-Did-brave-young-men-graves-Cameron-Hollande-sauntered-obscene-Somme-photocall-REALLY-die-Prime-Minister-collude-foreign-country-sell-Britain.html

    Agree with the sentiment as you feel appropriate, but her assertions of facts are debatable. In the article she states that "Your [the French] countrymen have never successfully defended Paris from the Germans, a tradition you continue to this day". Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1. Bombed, certainly, but the same could be said of London.
    Before WWII Paris hadn’t actually been “taken” had it since 1815 when Napoleon was defeated by a British/German alliance at Waterloo?
    Apart from 1940, 1815 and 1813 has Paris ever been captured by a foreign power?
    1814 not 1813!

    Also 1871 (as mentioned upthread)
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,345
    flightpath01 said:

    Sean_F said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    OldKingCole said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT @Plato_Says

    Plato_Says said:

    She's written a corker here. Agree with every sentiment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476979/KATIE-HOPKINS-Did-brave-young-men-graves-Cameron-Hollande-sauntered-obscene-Somme-photocall-REALLY-die-Prime-Minister-collude-foreign-country-sell-Britain.html

    Agree with the sentiment as you feel appropriate, but her assertions of facts are debatable. In the article she states that "Your [the French] countrymen have never successfully defended Paris from the Germans, a tradition you continue to this day". Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1. Bombed, certainly, but the same could be said of London.
    Before WWII Paris hadn’t actually been “taken” had it since 1815 when Napoleon was defeated by a British/German alliance at Waterloo?
    Apart from 1940, 1815 and 1813 has Paris ever been captured by a foreign power?
    The English held it from 1422-1435.
    Arguably (I know not strictly correctly) Napoleon in 1815 was overthrown from within and he was thrown out of Paris, in the manner of Louis XVIII a few weeks earlier, rather than Paris invaded or surrendered. Davout recalled the King.

    Its worth remembering the impact of the Franco Prussian war when considering the French psychology.
    Also captured by the Russians and Prussians and Austrians in 1814. A year before the Hundred Days
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,345
    Sean_F said:

    richardDodd said:

    Hollande was absolutely right..there will be consequences for the UK if we leave..impossible for there not to be..anyone who thinks there wont be is a total fool. What the UK voters have to do is consider whether they are worth it..

    It's a truism. But, it sounded like Hollande was threatening the UK, and Cameron seemed happy for him to be threatening the UK.

    On balance, I think Project Fear will work, but the danger for Remain is that they will come over as being unpatriotic if they emphasise how powerless we are when foreigners want to do nasty things to us.
    The Sunil on Sunday's positive message is:

    Believe in BRITAIN!

    Be LEAVE!


    It's the Sunil wot won it :)
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited March 2016
    flightpath01 said:

    Sean_F said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    OldKingCole said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT @Plato_Says

    Plato_Says said:

    She's written a corker here. Agree with every sentiment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476979/KATIE-HOPKINS-Did-brave-young-men-graves-Cameron-Hollande-sauntered-obscene-Somme-photocall-REALLY-die-Prime-Minister-collude-foreign-country-sell-Britain.html

    Agree with the sentiment as you feel appropriate, but her assertions of facts are debatable. In the article she states that "Your [the French] countrymen have never successfully defended Paris from the Germans, a tradition you continue to this day". Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1. Bombed, certainly, but the same could be said of London.
    Before WWII Paris hadn’t actually been “taken” had it since 1815 when Napoleon was defeated by a British/German alliance at Waterloo?
    Apart from 1940, 1815 and 1813 has Paris ever been captured by a foreign power?
    The English held it from 1422-1435.
    Arguably (I know not strictly correctly) Napoleon in 1815 was overthrown from within and he was thrown out of Paris, in the manner of Louis XVIII a few weeks earlier, rather than Paris invaded or surrendered. Davout recalled the King.

    Its worth remembering the impact of the Franco Prussian war when considering the French psychology.
    Yes they lost to a team with half the germans.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,345
    Apart from 1973(!), when was London last captured by a foreign power?
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,853
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Apart from 1973(!), when was London last captured by a foreign power?

    1688.

    (Tiptoes out of the room, tick, tick, tick...)

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,329
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Apart from 1973(!), when was London last captured by a foreign power?

    1967?
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    'Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1'

    But it would have been had we not sacrificed countless lives to prevent that.

    Not that they are remotely grateful - for that or being liberated in 1944/5. Indeed, I think they resent it.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,172
    DavidL said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Apart from 1973(!), when was London last captured by a foreign power?

    1967?
    That was more a lightning raid by a small elite group. The full-on despoilation was 1977.

    http://tinyurl.com/hgkefha
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Does Wayback Machine have them?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12184405/Jeremy-Corbyn-accused-of-rewriting-history-after-deleting-hundreds-of-outspoken-articles-and-speeches-from-his-website.html
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Plato_Says said:

    Does Wayback Machine have them?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12184405/Jeremy-Corbyn-accused-of-rewriting-history-after-deleting-hundreds-of-outspoken-articles-and-speeches-from-his-website.html

    The internet never forgets....
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    Alanbrooke said:

    richardDodd said:

    Hollande was absolutely right..there will be consequences for the UK if we leave..impossible for there not to be..anyone who thinks there wont be is a total fool. What the UK voters have to do is consider whether they are worth it..

    There will also be consequences for France.

    Odd our PM didn't bring that up.
    Why on earth would he? He supports remain. Some of the 'Leavers' on here need to get a grip.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,172
    Disappointing.

    'Note that this isn’t the start of daily EU referendum polling. We put the EU question on lots of polls in a row because it was the control question for an academic experiment. There will NOT be YouGov daily referendum polls for the next four months!'

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    Plato_Says said:

    :lol:

    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.

    I think it's worse than that for them.
    Like the Bulgars after Kleidion?
    Like a briish PM standing sheepishly aside while a French President threatens his country ?
    The British public loved it.

    YouGov has recorded four consecutive leads for Remain since the last published poll, suggesting a movement towards the Remain side in the first two weeks of campaigning

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/03/05/remain-retakes-lead-eu-referendum/
    not so much standing up for Britain as kneeling down and unzipping for Britain.
    Cameron is nothing more than a Hollandaise sauce slurping surrender monkey. A national embarrassment and laughing stock. The sooner he's gone the better.
    The anti-Cameron nonsense on here is understandable from Lab/LD sympathisers but simply crazy from Conservatives. Do you really want the likes of Fox/IDS or worse in charge? If so prepare for opposition.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Disappointing.

    'Note that this isn’t the start of daily EU referendum polling. We put the EU question on lots of polls in a row because it was the control question for an academic experiment. There will NOT be YouGov daily referendum polls for the next four months!'

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

    Oh no - a blessed relief!
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Disappointing.

    'Note that this isn’t the start of daily EU referendum polling. We put the EU question on lots of polls in a row because it was the control question for an academic experiment. There will NOT be YouGov daily referendum polls for the next four months!'

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

    TFFT.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    felix said:

    Plato_Says said:

    :lol:

    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.

    I think it's worse than that for them.
    Like the Bulgars after Kleidion?
    Like a briish PM standing sheepishly aside while a French President threatens his country ?
    The British public loved it.

    YouGov has recorded four consecutive leads for Remain since the last published poll, suggesting a movement towards the Remain side in the first two weeks of campaigning

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/03/05/remain-retakes-lead-eu-referendum/
    not so much standing up for Britain as kneeling down and unzipping for Britain.
    Cameron is nothing more than a Hollandaise sauce slurping surrender monkey. A national embarrassment and laughing stock. The sooner he's gone the better.
    The anti-Cameron nonsense on here is understandable from Lab/LD sympathisers but simply crazy from Conservatives. Do you really want the likes of Fox/IDS or worse in charge? If so prepare for opposition.
    Perhaps they don't want a disingenuous, vacuous, unprincepled nincompoop representing us abroad. Cameron is becoming an embarrassment, only the sycophants can't see it.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,015
    richardDodd said:

    Hollande was absolutely right..there will be consequences for the UK if we leave..impossible for there not to be..anyone who thinks there wont be is a total fool. What the UK voters have to do is consider whether they are worth it..

    you going native doddery
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,015
    stjohn said:

    Are the Scots Nats still celebrating hegemony 2016? I like a hootenanny as much as the next man but isn't this a bit ridiculous.

    Things can only get better, we will only be happy when both Labour and Tories cannot fill a taxi
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,013
    Ex-Trump, Cruz is really owning these primary polls, even Michigan, which ought to be not his place. Is Rubio done, done?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,013
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    viewcode said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT @Plato_Says

    Plato_Says said:

    She's written a corker here. Agree with every sentiment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476979/KATIE-HOPKINS-Did-brave-young-men-graves-Cameron-Hollande-sauntered-obscene-Somme-photocall-REALLY-die-Prime-Minister-collude-foreign-country-sell-Britain.html

    Agree with the sentiment as you feel appropriate, but her assertions of facts are debatable. In the article she states that "Your [the French] countrymen have never successfully defended Paris from the Germans, a tradition you continue to this day". Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1. Bombed, certainly, but the same could be said of London.
    Paris? It was the British Expeditionary Force wot protected the French Left Flank in August 1914!
    This was during the successful defense of Paris? Which Hopkins denies ever having taken place
    The French could not defend Paris.... on their own.
    Well, they defended Paris on their own in "The Miracle of the Marne". The question is whether the miracle would have been possible, if not for British.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,013
    runnymede said:

    'Paris was not taken nor fought on during World War 1'

    But it would have been had we not sacrificed countless lives to prevent that.

    Not that they are remotely grateful - for that or being liberated in 1944/5. Indeed, I think they resent it.

    Most French people I know, especially the older ones, are enormously grateful for the help they received from both the British and the Americans.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited March 2016
    felix said:

    The anti-Cameron nonsense on here is understandable from Lab/LD sympathisers but simply crazy from Conservatives. Do you really want the likes of Fox/IDS or worse in charge? If so prepare for opposition.

    The anti-Cameron nonsense here (and, to be fair, in the Mail and Telegraph sometimes) is stark, raving, 100%, fruitcake-rich, bonkers.

    I particularly enjoyed the nonsense about the allegedly 'true' immigration figures, which the nutjobs think he is deliberately concealing because of the referendum. No-one seems to ask what conceivable relevance illegal immigration has to the question of whether the UK should stay in the EU or not.
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    'Most French people I know, especially the older ones, are enormously grateful for the help they received from both the British and the Americans.'

    No doubt experiences vary, but I worked for a French firm for five years and got a very different impression. The contrast with the attitudes I've experienced in the Netherlands, Scandinavia and (perhaps surprisingly) eastern Europe was a strong one.

    But my comment was in any case more about 'official' opinion than the opinions of ordinary folk.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Good news, Kansas and Kentucky vote early, so the first results should be coming in any moment now.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    blackburn63 said:

    felix said:

    Plato_Says said:

    :lol:

    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.

    I think it's worse than that for them.
    Like the Bulgars after Kleidion?
    Like a briish PM standing sheepishly aside while a French President threatens his country ?
    The British public loved it.

    YouGov has recorded four consecutive leads for Remain since the last published poll, suggesting a movement towards the Remain side in the first two weeks of campaigning

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/03/05/remain-retakes-lead-eu-referendum/
    not so much standing up for Britain as kneeling down and unzipping for Britain.
    Cameron is nothing more than a Hollandaise sauce slurping surrender monkey. A national embarrassment and laughing stock. The sooner he's gone the better.
    The anti-Cameron nonsense on here is understandable from Lab/LD sympathisers but simply crazy from Conservatives. Do you really want the likes of Fox/IDS or worse in charge? If so prepare for opposition.
    Perhaps they don't want a disingenuous, vacuous, unprincepled nincompoop representing us abroad. Cameron is becoming an embarrassment, only the sycophants can't see it.
    Oh I'm quite sure you are right but polling of both voters and members suggests otherwise. How popular would Fox/IDS be as a leader/PM? It is remarkable that 'they' would fit the profile of typical Corbyn supporters in the Labour party albeit in a mirrored reflection on the right.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,015
    I see the Leicester City fan who had £20 on at 5000-1 has accepted £29,000 payout from the bookie to void the bet. Debatable whether he will want them to win it now.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    felix said:

    The anti-Cameron nonsense on here is understandable from Lab/LD sympathisers but simply crazy from Conservatives. Do you really want the likes of Fox/IDS or worse in charge? If so prepare for opposition.

    The anti-Cameron nonsense here (and, to be fair, in the Mail and Telegraph sometimes) is stark, raving, 100%, fruitcake-rich, bonkers.

    I particularly enjoyed the nonsense about the allegedly 'true' immigration figures, which the nutjobs think he is deliberately concealing because of the referendum. No-one seems to ask what conceivable relevance illegal immigration has to the question of whether the UK should stay in the EU or not.
    The relevance to the EU debate is immaterial, it shows poor governance and prompts people to ask what they're hiding. If figures were down would he be refusing to release them?
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    felix said:

    The anti-Cameron nonsense on here is understandable from Lab/LD sympathisers but simply crazy from Conservatives. Do you really want the likes of Fox/IDS or worse in charge? If so prepare for opposition.

    The anti-Cameron nonsense here (and, to be fair, in the Mail and Telegraph sometimes) is stark, raving, 100%, fruitcake-rich, bonkers.

    I particularly enjoyed the nonsense about the allegedly 'true' immigration figures, which the nutjobs think he is deliberately concealing because of the referendum. No-one seems to ask what conceivable relevance illegal immigration has to the question of whether the UK should stay in the EU or not.
    It has been an uncomfortable eye-opener to read the umitigated bile from people who fail to appreciate that what has happened to Labour could so easily be repeated elsewhere.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    felix said:

    blackburn63 said:

    felix said:

    Plato_Says said:

    :lol:

    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.

    I think it's worse than that for them.
    Like the Bulgars after Kleidion?
    Like a briish PM standing sheepishly aside while a French President threatens his country ?
    The British public loved it.

    YouGov has recorded four consecutive leads for Remain since the last published poll, suggesting a movement towards the Remain side in the first two weeks of campaigning

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/03/05/remain-retakes-lead-eu-referendum/
    not so much standing up for Britain as kneeling down and unzipping for Britain.
    Cameron is nothing more than a Hollandaise sauce slurping surrender monkey. A national embarrassment and laughing stock. The sooner he's gone the better.
    The anti-Cameron nonsense on here is understandable from Lab/LD sympathisers but simply crazy from Conservatives. Do you really want the likes of Fox/IDS or worse in charge? If so prepare for opposition.
    Perhaps they don't want a disingenuous, vacuous, unprincepled nincompoop representing us abroad. Cameron is becoming an embarrassment, only the sycophants can't see it.
    Oh I'm quite sure you are right but polling of both voters and members suggests otherwise. How popular would Fox/IDS be as a leader/PM? It is remarkable that 'they' would fit the profile of typical Corbyn supporters in the Labour party albeit in a mirrored reflection on the right.
    The chances of Fox/IDS leading the conservatives are zero, you're simply deflecting the issue.

    The fact that you can see no wrong in Cameron says far more about you than his performance.
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Just got back from 2 hours of leafleting for Vote Leave. It started chucking it down so I went home early, then as soon as I get home the sun comes out! Typical...
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Well done, Sir.
    RoyalBlue said:

    Just got back from 2 hours of leafleting for Vote Leave. It started chucking it down so I went home early, then as soon as I get home the sun comes out! Typical...

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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    blackburn63 said:

    The relevance to the EU debate is immaterial, it shows poor governance and prompts people to ask what they're hiding. If figures were down would he be refusing to release them?

    The ONS releases the national statistics, not David Cameron.

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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,266
    EPG said:

    Ex-Trump, Cruz is really owning these primary polls, even Michigan, which ought to be not his place. Is Rubio done, done?

    FL is the last stand.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited March 2016
    RoyalBlue said:

    Just got back from 2 hours of leafleting for Vote Leave. It started chucking it down so I went home early, then as soon as I get home the sun comes out! Typical...

    Evening Mr RoyalBlue,

    How was the general reception on the door step and if not secret, where were you leafleting?

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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    blackburn63 said:

    The relevance to the EU debate is immaterial, it shows poor governance and prompts people to ask what they're hiding. If figures were down would he be refusing to release them?

    The ONS releases the national statistics, not David Cameron.

    And?

    Cameron pledged to reduce immigration to tens of thousand, now the figures aren't released.

    Your stance is becoming more ludicrous by the day.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Speedy said:

    Good news, Kansas and Kentucky vote early, so the first results should be coming in any moment now.

    where can you find them?

    you (I think) had some good state sites before (apols if someone else)
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    I still think it will be 57% for leave..I have seen nothing to stop it apart from the fear factor..It would inconvenience me slightly but I think the UK will benefit in the long run..
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    blackburn63 said:

    And?

    Cameron pledged to reduce immigration to tens of thousand, now the figures aren't released.

    Your stance is becoming more ludicrous by the day.

    You think the immigration statistics are not being released?

    Fruitcakes and loons hardly covers it.
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Richard_Nabavi said:



    The anti-Cameron nonsense here (and, to be fair, in the Mail and Telegraph sometimes) is stark, raving, 100%, fruitcake-rich, bonkers.

    It really is. Even as someone who's leaning leave, the foaming at the mouth whenever the EU is mentioned is pretty off-putting.
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    gettingbettergettingbetter Posts: 477
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    blackburn63 said:

    And?

    Cameron pledged to reduce immigration to tens of thousand, now the figures aren't released.

    Your stance is becoming more ludicrous by the day.

    You think the immigration statistics are not being released?

    Fruitcakes and loons hardly covers it.
    There are some figures here:
    http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/february2016
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    blackburn63 said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    blackburn63 said:

    The relevance to the EU debate is immaterial, it shows poor governance and prompts people to ask what they're hiding. If figures were down would he be refusing to release them?

    The ONS releases the national statistics, not David Cameron.

    And?

    Cameron pledged to reduce immigration to tens of thousand, now the figures aren't released.

    Your stance is becoming more ludicrous by the day.
    The figures are released. It is the statutory duty of the ONS to do so. There is a question about the number of NI numbers released compared with the immigration stats.

    Cameron did not pledge to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands, it was an objective which still applies (forever?)

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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    blackburn63 said:

    felix said:

    blackburn63 said:

    felix said:

    Plato_Says said:

    :lol:

    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scottish Labour are like Carthaginian soldiers just before the Battle of Zama. they are led by a numpty, facing a formidable opponent, they know they're in for the shellacking of their lives.

    I think it's worse than that for them.
    Like the Bulgars after Kleidion?
    Like a briish PM standing sheepishly aside while a French President threatens his country ?
    The British public loved it.

    YouGov has recorded four consecutive leads for Remain since the last published poll, suggesting a movement towards the Remain side in the first two weeks of campaigning

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/03/05/remain-retakes-lead-eu-referendum/
    not so much standing up for Britain as kneeling down and unzipping for Britain.
    Cameron is nothing more than a Hollandaise sauce slurping surrender monkey. A national embarrassment and laughing stock. The sooner he's gone the better.
    The anti-Cameron nonsense on here is understandable from Lab/LD sympathisers but simply crazy from Conservatives. Do you really want the likes of Fox/IDS or worse in charge? If so prepare for opposition.
    Perhaps they don't want a disingenuous, vacuous, unprincepled nincompoop representing us abroad. Cameron is becoming an embarrassment, only the sycophants can't see it.
    Oh I'm quite sure you are right but polling of both voters and members suggests otherwise. How popular would Fox/IDS be as a leader/PM? It is remarkable that 'they' would fit the profile of typical Corbyn supporters in the Labour party albeit in a mirrored reflection on the right.
    The chances of Fox/IDS leading the conservatives are zero, you're simply deflecting the issue.

    The fact that you can see no wrong in Cameron says far more about you than his performance.
    I prefer Cameron to the alternatives on offer. That says about me I'm a realist and pragmatic - I make no claims to sainthood. Try trolling someone else.
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    Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    Afternoon everyone.
    I've spent the last few hours watching the first 6 episodes of House of Cards.
    Think it is very good so far.
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