I disagree, Rubio lost the nomination in N.H., he didn't lose a bigger prize afterwards. Tonight Trump probably loses the nomination, so he is the big loser.
No he probably does not, especially if he wins the Michigan, Illinois, North Carolina, Ohio and Florida primaries over the next fortnight, all that has happened is Cruz has confirmed his position as Trump's main opponent
If Trump loses all those states tonight to Cruz and at similar numbers it will be a very bad sign for Trump.
We will see, so far the signs are not good.
They are all caucuses, in terms of delegates they make very little difference, over the next forthnight 5/10 of the largest states in the USA will vote, if Trump wins all of them and adds them to his win in Georgia he will have won 6/10 of the largest US states and will be nominee designate, sealing the deal by winning New York and Pennsylvania at the end of April. Even if Cruz wins every state tonight not one is a big state, he has to win some of the big states over the next two weeks to really be a potential nominee
We really need to see the only real primary tonight in Louisiana - if Cruz does outperform the polls there and wins today's caucuses then he will have some momentum. The odds are still on Trump but, as I said yesterday, there may yet be a sting in the tail!
Cruz is clearly getting some momentum tonight yes but he needs to win in Louisiana to get a really significant boost (the fact it is a closed primary could help him a little)
I disagree, Rubio lost the nomination in N.H., he didn't lose a bigger prize afterwards. Tonight Trump probably loses the nomination, so he is the big loser.
No he probably does not, especially if he wins the Michigan, Illinois, North Carolina, Ohio and Florida primaries over the next fortnight, all that has happened is Cruz has confirmed his position as Trump's main opponent
If Trump loses all those states tonight to Cruz and at similar numbers it will be a very bad sign for Trump.
We will see, so far the signs are not good.
They are all caucuses, in terms of delegates they make very little difference, over the next forthnight 5/10 of the largest states in the USA will vote, if Trump wins all of them and adds them to his win in Georgia he will have won 6/10 of the largest US states and will be nominee designate, sealing the deal by winning New York and Pennsylvania at the end of April. Even if Cruz wins every state tonight not one is a big state, he has to win some of the big states over the next two weeks to really be a potential nominee
We really need to see the only real primary tonight in Louisiana - if Cruz does outperform the polls there and wins today's caucuses then he will have some momentum. The odds are still on Trump but, as I said yesterday, there may yet be a sting in the tail!
Cruz is clearly getting some momentum tonight yes but he needs to win in Louisiana to get a really significant boost (the fact it is a closed primary could help him a little)
But then, outside the EU/EEA we could set up chip fabs here... build our own nuclear power plants... restart ship building by making cruise liners. I don't see anything we need from the EU that we can't make here as we used to do.
CNN reporting in Kansas that republican turnout up from about 4500 last time to over 13K in Wichita.
Love him or hate him Trump is energising the republicans in a way that must scare the Democrats witless.
Don't place too much emphasis on nomination turnout. In 88 and 92 the Dems whacked the GOP only for Reagan and Bush to win landslides.
Yeah but the democrats usually turn out in much larger numbers. It may be that the Democrat race is a forgone conclusion but they are getting whacked this time. When you have a lead candidate who struggles to inspire I think this is a concern.
Clinton might have lost to Rubio or Kasich, she should thank her lucky stars her opponent will be Trump or Cruz! In the same way in 1968 Nixon would have lost to Bobby Kennedy as he lost to JFK in 1960 but he was able to beat Humphrey and then McGovern in 1972
The significant point is that the Democrats picked McGovern in 72. Eg a natural born loser. Why? Because it made them feel warm cosy and satisfied. Dangerous thing to throw out a winner on a whim.
Mr. L, thanks for the recommendation. Unfortunately, I'm in the middle of two large books and have others I want to get read (and spending a lot of time writing means I read less quickly than I used to).
I disagree, Rubio lost the nomination in N.H., he didn't lose a bigger prize afterwards. Tonight Trump probably loses the nomination, so he is the big loser.
No he probably does not, especially if he wins the Michigan, Illinois, North Carolina, Ohio and Florida primaries over the next fortnight, all that has happened is Cruz has confirmed his position as Trump's main opponent
If Trump loses all those states tonight to Cruz and at similar numbers it will be a very bad sign for Trump.
We will see, so far the signs are not good.
They are all caucuses, in terms of delegates they make very little difference, over the next forthnight 5/10 of the largest states in the USA will vote, if Trump wins all of them and adds them to his win in Georgia he will have won 6/10 of the largest US states and will be nominee designate, sealing the deal by winning New York and Pennsylvania at the end of April. Even if Cruz wins every state tonight not one is a big state, he has to win some of the big states over the next two weeks to really be a potential nominee
We really need to see the only real primary tonight in Louisiana - if Cruz does outperform the polls there and wins today's caucuses then he will have some momentum. The odds are still on Trump but, as I said yesterday, there may yet be a sting in the tail!
Cruz is clearly getting some momentum tonight yes but he needs to win in Louisiana to get a really significant boost (the fact it is a closed primary could help him a little)
CNN reporting in Kansas that republican turnout up from about 4500 last time to over 13K in Wichita.
Love him or hate him Trump is energising the republicans in a way that must scare the Democrats witless.
Don't place too much emphasis on nomination turnout. In 88 and 92 the Dems whacked the GOP only for Reagan and Bush to win landslides.
Yeah but the democrats usually turn out in much larger numbers. It may be that the Democrat race is a forgone conclusion but they are getting whacked this time. When you have a lead candidate who struggles to inspire I think this is a concern.
Clinton might have lost to Rubio or Kasich, she should thank her lucky stars her opponent will be Trump or Cruz! In the same way in 1968 Nixon would have lost to Bobby Kennedy as he lost to JFK in 1960 but he was able to beat Humphrey and then McGovern in 1972
The significant point is that the Democrats picked McGovern in 72. Eg a natural born loser. Why? Because it made them feel warm cosy and satisfied. Dangerous thing to throw out a winner on a whim.
If the GOP follows the same pattern it will be Cruz 2020 then! Mind you given McGovern's main opponents were Humphrey, the 1968 loser, Muskie, Humphrey's VP nominee (who was hit by a number of rumours in the campaign) and George Wallace there were not exactly a great deal of winners in the field
Many of us not of the faith had a sneaking regard for the way Tories would always rally round their leader. Even the seriously dislikable which Cameron certainly isn't.
These last weeks have been something of an eye opener. Poor old Steve Hilton gave his all to remove the taint of the 'nasty party' and he almost succeeded. I wonder how long it'll take to get rid of the mark 2 version?
Mr. Roger, Tories rallying round a leader?! Howard was a stopgap, IDS was tossed overboard, Thatcher was axed, Major jumped before he could be pushed. The Conservative leadership process appears modelled on the Ancient Macedonian monarchy.
I'm sorry to say the best comparison I can think of for how Cruz and Trump are different in their extremism is Germany in 1932, with Cruz as Papen, and Trump as... the other guy.
But then, outside the EU/EEA we could set up chip fabs here... build our own nuclear power plants... restart ship building by making cruise liners. I don't see anything we need from the EU that we can't make here as we used to do.
But the world has moved on. We can't turn the clock back to what we "used to do". We are in the 2010s not the 1950s.
Many of us not of the faith had a sneaking regard for the way Tories would always rally round their leader. Even the seriously dislikable which Cameron certainly isn't.
These last weeks have been something of an eye opener. Poor old Steve Hilton gave his all to remove the taint of the 'nasty party' and he almost succeeded. I wonder how long it'll take to get rid of the mark 2 version?
I have a huge amount of respect (and time) for Steve Hilton.
He's a Brexiter. His strategy was for Cameron to spend his first term walking out of EU summits looking hugely frustrated at their intractability towards reform.
He'd then call a referendum in his second term and recommend a Leave vote.
Cruz ahead 2-1 in Kansas with 24% reporting - looks solid. But zero official results from Maine yet.
Looking at how his fellow evangelicals Huckerbee and Santorum did in Kansas in 2008 and 2012 respectively, then Cruz has actually underperformed in Kansas.
Jeremy Diamond ✔ @JDiamond1 A protester with a fake penis attached to his baseball cap was just ejected from @realDonaldTrump's Orlando rally. That is all.
Cruz ahead 2-1 in Kansas with 24% reporting - looks solid. But zero official results from Maine yet.
Looking at how his fellow evangelicals Huckerbee and Santorum did in Kansas in 2008 and 2012 respectively, then Cruz has actually underperformed in Kansas.
Cruz was probably favourite in Kansas (though a complete landslide probably wasn't expected), but Maine is shaping up to be the real WTF result.
But then, outside the EU/EEA we could set up chip fabs here... build our own nuclear power plants... restart ship building by making cruise liners. I don't see anything we need from the EU that we can't make here as we used to do.
But the world has moved on. We can't turn the clock back to what we "used to do". We are in the 2010s not the 1950s.
It is not written in stone anywhere that the EU is The Future.
But then, outside the EU/EEA we could set up chip fabs here... build our own nuclear power plants... restart ship building by making cruise liners. I don't see anything we need from the EU that we can't make here as we used to do.
But the world has moved on. We can't turn the clock back to what we "used to do". We are in the 2010s not the 1950s.
But then, outside the EU/EEA we could set up chip fabs here... build our own nuclear power plants... restart ship building by making cruise liners. I don't see anything we need from the EU that we can't make here as we used to do.
But the world has moved on. We can't turn the clock back to what we "used to do". We are in the 2010s not the 1950s.
It is not written in stone anywhere that the EU is The Future.
That's up to us.
Nothing is forever. One day the EU will be no more.
Cruz ahead 2-1 in Kansas with 24% reporting - looks solid. But zero official results from Maine yet.
Looking at how his fellow evangelicals Huckerbee and Santorum did in Kansas in 2008 and 2012 respectively, then Cruz has actually underperformed in Kansas.
Cruz was probably favourite in Kansas (though a complete landslide probably wasn't expected), but Maine is shaping up to be the real WTF result.
Maine Republicans are pretty right wing. Its a very rural place.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
Cruz ahead 2-1 in Kansas with 24% reporting - looks solid. But zero official results from Maine yet.
Looking at how his fellow evangelicals Huckerbee and Santorum did in Kansas in 2008 and 2012 respectively, then Cruz has actually underperformed in Kansas.
Cruz was probably favourite in Kansas (though a complete landslide probably wasn't expected), but Maine is shaping up to be the real WTF result.
Maine Republicans are pretty right wing. Its a very rural place.
But then, outside the EU/EEA we could set up chip fabs here... build our own nuclear power plants... restart ship building by making cruise liners. I don't see anything we need from the EU that we can't make here as we used to do.
But the world has moved on. We can't turn the clock back to what we "used to do". We are in the 2010s not the 1950s.
It is not written in stone anywhere that the EU is The Future.
That's up to us.
Nothing is forever. One day the EU will be no more.
From the history of its predecessors such as the Roman Empire , the empire of Charlemagne and others , it has 100 plus years to go as of course does the Euro .
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound Michael Gove has given his first print Brexit interview to the Sunday Times. Warns that the EU is fuelling both terrorism and fascism
CNN reporting in Kansas that republican turnout up from about 4500 last time to over 13K in Wichita.
Love him or hate him Trump is energising the republicans in a way that must scare the Democrats witless.
Don't place too much emphasis on nomination turnout. In 88 and 92 the Dems whacked the GOP only for Reagan and Bush to win landslides.
Yeah but the democrats usually turn out in much larger numbers. It may be that the Democrat race is a forgone conclusion but they are getting whacked this time. When you have a lead candidate who struggles to inspire I think this is a concern.
Clinton might have lost to Rubio or Kasich, she should thank her lucky stars her opponent will be Trump or Cruz! In the same way in 1968 Nixon would have lost to Bobby Kennedy as he lost to JFK in 1960 but he was able to beat Humphrey and then McGovern in 1972
I always found Bobby Kennedy the most interesting American politician of the 60s and his murder was a tragedy. Kasich is someone I could easily imagine voting for. Cruz not in a million years. Trump...probably not but it would depend on his opponent.
Yes but for his untimely death Bobby Kennedy would have almost certainly become president, not Nixon. I expect your sentiment on the candidates will be shared, in the end, by the average American swing voter
I suspect Humphrey would have ended up the Democratic nominee anyway in 1968.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound Michael Gove has given his first print Brexit interview to the Sunday Times. Warns that the EU is fuelling both terrorism and fascism
More Project Of Fear arguments from the Leave side .
Cruz ahead 2-1 in Kansas with 24% reporting - looks solid. But zero official results from Maine yet.
Looking at how his fellow evangelicals Huckerbee and Santorum did in Kansas in 2008 and 2012 respectively, then Cruz has actually underperformed in Kansas.
Cruz was probably favourite in Kansas (though a complete landslide probably wasn't expected), but Maine is shaping up to be the real WTF result.
Maine Republicans are pretty right wing. Its a very rural place.
Is it much more rural/right-wing than Vermont?
Vermont is probably Greener .... Oi, it's the way I tell 'em.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
It's enough to make you think they have something to hide......
Cruz ahead 2-1 in Kansas with 24% reporting - looks solid. But zero official results from Maine yet.
Looking at how his fellow evangelicals Huckerbee and Santorum did in Kansas in 2008 and 2012 respectively, then Cruz has actually underperformed in Kansas.
Cruz was probably favourite in Kansas (though a complete landslide probably wasn't expected), but Maine is shaping up to be the real WTF result.
Maine Republicans are pretty right wing. Its a very rural place.
Is it much more rural/right-wing than Vermont?
Yes, Vermont went for Obama by 36% in 2012 and has Sanders as its Senator, Maine went for Obama by 16% in 2012 and had two Republican Senators until recently
CNN reporting in Kansas that republican turnout up from about 4500 last time to over 13K in Wichita.
Love him or hate him Trump is energising the republicans in a way that must scare the Democrats witless.
Don't place too much emphasis on nomination turnout. In 88 and 92 the Dems whacked the GOP only for Reagan and Bush to win landslides.
Yeah but the democrats usually turn out in much larger numbers. It may be that the Democrat race is a forgone conclusion but they are getting whacked this time. When you have a lead candidate who struggles to inspire I think this is a concern.
Clinton might have lost to Rubio or Kasich, she should thank her lucky stars her opponent will be Trump or Cruz! In the same way in 1968 Nixon would have lost to Bobby Kennedy as he lost to JFK in 1960 but he was able to beat Humphrey and then McGovern in 1972
I always found Bobby Kennedy the most interesting American politician of the 60s and his murder was a tragedy. Kasich is someone I could easily imagine voting for. Cruz not in a million years. Trump...probably not but it would depend on his opponent.
Yes but for his untimely death Bobby Kennedy would have almost certainly become president, not Nixon. I expect your sentiment on the candidates will be shared, in the end, by the average American swing voter
I suspect Humphrey would have ended up the Democratic nominee anyway in 1968.
Hard to tell, Humphrey only won at the convention, after Bobby Kennedy won California (the night he was assassinated) he would have had real momentum
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound Gove warns the EU has boosted "Hitler worshippers" and says the far right is stronger than at any time since the 1930s because of EU
Tim Montgomerie ن @montie Some worried Boris and Gove would support #Brexit but not fight for it. Tmrw's Sunday paper interviews suggest their boxing gloves are on..
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound Gove warns the EU has boosted "Hitler worshippers" and says the far right is stronger than at any time since the 1930s because of EU
It is, of course, impossible to prove the counterfactual.
However, globalisation and non-European migration are probably much more to blame.
If officials from No 10 were in anyway involved in a man getting suspended for his job for supporting Brexit, thats appalling.
This is a campaign that Cameron cannot afford to lose. His place in history is at stake.
There will be casualties.
Cameron loses either way.
No - it's his party that will lose. He will win - he will retire as the man who kept the UK and the EU intact - two of the most successful supranational entities the world has ever seen.
His mypoic party will be left to [ick up the pievces.
CNN reporting in Kansas that republican turnout up from about 4500 last time to over 13K in Wichita.
Love him or hate him Trump is energising the republicans in a way that must scare the Democrats witless.
Don't place too much emphasis on nomination turnout. In 88 and 92 the Dems whacked the GOP only for Reagan and Bush to win landslides.
Yeah but the democrats usually turn out in much larger numbers. It may be that the Democrat race is a forgone conclusion but they are getting whacked this time. When you have a lead candidate who struggles to inspire I think this is a concern.
Clinton might have lost to Rubio or Kasich, she should thank her lucky stars her opponent will be Trump or Cruz! In the same way in 1968 Nixon would have lost to Bobby Kennedy as he lost to JFK in 1960 but he was able to beat Humphrey and then McGovern in 1972
I always found Bobby Kennedy the most interesting American politician of the 60s and his murder was a tragedy. Kasich is someone I could easily imagine voting for. Cruz not in a million years. Trump...probably not but it would depend on his opponent.
Yes but for his untimely death Bobby Kennedy would have almost certainly become president, not Nixon. I expect your sentiment on the candidates will be shared, in the end, by the average American swing voter
I suspect Humphrey would have ended up the Democratic nominee anyway in 1968.
Hard to tell, Humphrey only won at the convention, after Bobby Kennedy won California (the night he was assassinated) he would have had real momentum
As I read it Humphrey was not even contesting the primaries but he still went on to win the nomination. Plenty anti RFK opinions about.
Project Fear now being used by leave with Gove accusing the EU of the rise in fascism, Boris accusing No 10 of colluding with BCC to get Longworth sacked, and the Sunday Express stating that our borders agency will be taken over by the EU in a full on attack on our sovereignty. All this will achieve is the polarisation of those already committed to either side and those of us undecided just despairing and switching off. The whole campaign so far is just off the scale of stupity
If officials from No 10 were in anyway involved in a man getting suspended for his job for supporting Brexit, thats appalling.
This is a campaign that Cameron cannot afford to lose. His place in history is at stake.
There will be casualties.
Cameron loses either way.
No - it's his party that will lose. He will win - he will retire as the man who kept the UK and the EU intact - two of the most successful supranational entities the world has ever seen.
His mypoic party will be left to [ick up the pievces.
When the promises he made on his renegotiation turn out to be bollocks he will be vilified for ever more.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
Project Fear now being used by leave with Gove accusing the EU of the rise in fascism, Boris accusing No 10 of colluding with BCC to get Longworth sacked, and the Sunday Express stating that our borders agency will be taken over by the EU in a full on attack on our sovereignty. All this will achieve is the polarisation of those already committed to either side and those of us undecided just despairing and switching off. The whole campaign so far is just off the scale of stupity
The simple, positive message that the Sunil on Sundays prefers is as follows:
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
If officials from No 10 were in anyway involved in a man getting suspended for his job for supporting Brexit, thats appalling.
This is a campaign that Cameron cannot afford to lose. His place in history is at stake.
There will be casualties.
Cameron loses either way.
No - it's his party that will lose. He will win - he will retire as the man who kept the UK and the EU intact - two of the most successful supranational entities the world has ever seen.
His mypoic party will be left to [ick up the pievces.
If the EU is so successful, how come we don't use their currency?
Well it all seems a long time since I was told by the Conservative supporters on site that the referendum would be conducted in a spirit of amity.
I actually think there won't be much resentment between Leave Tories to Remain Tories (or vice-versa) where they have consistently backed one side, or the other.
There will be suspicions hanging over those who changed their positions rather too conveniently at the eleventh hour.
There will be serious implications for the current leadership, and on the next leadership election.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
No facts have gone out of the window since he came out for Leave same as they have done for Gove .
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
Project Fear now being used by leave with Gove accusing the EU of the rise in fascism, Boris accusing No 10 of colluding with BCC to get Longworth sacked, and the Sunday Express stating that our borders agency will be taken over by the EU in a full on attack on our sovereignty. All this will achieve is the polarisation of those already committed to either side and those of us undecided just despairing and switching off. The whole campaign so far is just off the scale of stupity
The simple, positive message that the Sunil on Sundays prefers is as follows:
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!
I absolutely believe n Britain but I have not been persuaded by either side
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound Gove warns the EU has boosted "Hitler worshippers" and says the far right is stronger than at any time since the 1930s because of EU
Seems a rather odd comment - anything to do with EU expansion to former USSR states?
CNN reporting in Kansas that republican turnout up from about 4500 last time to over 13K in Wichita.
Love him or hate him Trump is energising the republicans in a way that must scare the Democrats witless.
Don't place too much emphasis on nomination turnout. In 88 and 92 the Dems whacked the GOP only for Reagan and Bush to win landslides.
Yeah but the democrats usually turn out in much larger numbers. It may be that the Democrat race is a forgone conclusion but they are getting whacked this time. When you have a lead candidate who struggles to inspire I think this is a concern.
Clinton might have lost to Rubio or Kasich, she shoul1972
I always found Bobby Kennedy the most interestin.
Yes but for his untimely death Bobby Kennedy would have almost certainly become president, not Nixon. I expect your sentiment on the candidates will be shared, in the end, by the average American swing voter
I suspect Humphrey would have ended up the Democratic nominee anyway in 1968.
Hard to tell, Humphrey only won at the convention, after Bobby Kennedy won California (the night he was assassinated) he would have had real momentum
As I read it Humphrey was not even contesting the primaries but he still went on to win the nomination. Plenty anti RFK opinions about.
'Some historians, such as Theodore H. White and Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., have argued that Kennedy's broad appeal and famed charisma would have convinced the party bosses at the Democratic Convention to give him the nomination. Jack Newfield, author of RFK: A Memoir, stated in a 1998 interview that on the night he was assassinated, "[Kennedy] had a phone conversation with Mayor Daley of Chicago, and Mayor Daley all but promised to throw the Illinois delegates to Bobby at the convention in August 1968. I think he said to me, and Pete Hamill, 'Daley is the ball game, and I think we have Daley.'" However, other writers such as Tom Wicker, who covered the Kennedy campaign for The New York Times, believe that Humphrey's large lead in delegate votes from non-primary states, combined with Senator McCarthy's refusal to quit the race, would have prevented Kennedy from ever winning a majority at the Democratic Convention, and that Humphrey would have been the Democratic nominee even if Kennedy had lived.'
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
Project Fear now being used by leave with Gove accusing the EU of the rise in fascism, Boris accusing No 10 of colluding with BCC to get Longworth sacked, and the Sunday Express stating that our borders agency will be taken over by the EU in a full on attack on our sovereignty. All this will achieve is the polarisation of those already committed to either side and those of us undecided just despairing and switching off. The whole campaign so far is just off the scale of stupity
The simple, positive message that the Sunil on Sundays prefers is as follows:
If officials from No 10 were in anyway involved in a man getting suspended for his job for supporting Brexit, thats appalling.
This is a campaign that Cameron cannot afford to lose. His place in history is at stake.
There will be casualties.
Cameron loses either way.
No - it's his party that will lose. He will win - he will retire as the man who kept the UK and the EU intact - two of the most successful supranational entities the world has ever seen.
His mypoic party will be left to [ick up the pievces.
You are right if the scenario unfolds that way. The fact that N4E concentrates on Cameron's future explains the crummy motivation by the numpty wing of the Tories. When you look at the fact that the main opposition to the referendum comes from crass Farage and his BNPlite and revengers on the dumbassed Tory wing then you do have to think Remain ought to win.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
No facts have gone out of the window since he came out for Leave same as they have done for Gove .
Yes, but he must know on some level there's no connection. If he's firing off wild accusations...well, what exactly is happening? Was he pissed?
Well it all seems a long time since I was told by the Conservative supporters on site that the referendum would be conducted in a spirit of amity.
The naivety of some Tories about this whole process has been quite extraordinary.
Some of them apparently believed that Cameron was genuinely undecided about whether the UK should remain in the EU.
Others seemed to be under the impression that the referendum campaign would be some kind of village cricket match in which playing fair was more important than winning.
If officials from No 10 were in anyway involved in a man getting suspended for his job for supporting Brexit, thats appalling.
This is a campaign that Cameron cannot afford to lose. His place in history is at stake.
There will be casualties.
Cameron loses either way.
No - it's his party that will lose. He will win - he will retire as the man who kept the UK and the EU intact - two of the most successful supranational entities the world has ever seen.
His mypoic party will be left to [ick up the pievces.
If the EU is so successful, how come we don't use their currency?
If officials from No 10 were in anyway involved in a man getting suspended for his job for supporting Brexit, thats appalling.
This is a campaign that Cameron cannot afford to lose. His place in history is at stake.
There will be casualties.
Cameron loses either way.
No - it's his party that will lose. He will win - he will retire as the man who kept the UK and the EU intact - two of the most successful supranational entities the world has ever seen.
His mypoic party will be left to [ick up the pievces.
You are right if the scenario unfolds that way. The fact that N4E concentrates on Cameron's future explains the crummy motivation by the numpty wing of the Tories. When you look at the fact that the main opposition to the referendum comes from crass Farage and his BNPlite and revengers on the dumbassed Tory wing then you do have to think Remain ought to win.
I'm 60 years old and have never voted Tory, ever.
I could not care less about Cameron, other than he was a man I admired but his behavior in this matter is appalling
Project Fear now being used by leave with Gove accusing the EU of the rise in fascism, Boris accusing No 10 of colluding with BCC to get Longworth sacked, and the Sunday Express stating that our borders agency will be taken over by the EU in a full on attack on our sovereignty. All this will achieve is the polarisation of those already committed to either side and those of us undecided just despairing and switching off. The whole campaign so far is just off the scale of stupity
That's funny ! Most Fascists in the UK wants to LEAVE.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
For the avoidance of doubt, the total involvement of Cameron/No10 in the suspension of John Longworth is exactly zero.
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
And we know this how?
Because, contrary to his reputation on this board, Cameron is not actually Lex Luthor. The PM's ability to reach across, pause, stroke the red button lovingly and release the laser sharks whilst murmuring "you have failed me for the last time, Longworth" is sadly limited.
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Dangerous thing to throw out a winner on a whim.
I brung you a massage:
I heap everyone will jean me in washing the Sopermarine Spotfire a very hippy 80th boothday!
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These last weeks have been something of an eye opener. Poor old Steve Hilton gave his all to remove the taint of the 'nasty party' and he almost succeeded. I wonder how long it'll take to get rid of the mark 2 version?
He's a Brexiter. His strategy was for Cameron to spend his first term walking out of EU summits looking hugely frustrated at their intractability towards reform.
He'd then call a referendum in his second term and recommend a Leave vote.
£4.63 allowed on Ted
If I was allowed any sort of size I'd back Cruz ^^;
A protester with a fake penis attached to his baseball cap was just ejected from @realDonaldTrump's Orlando rally. That is all.
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/706231168077852672
That's up to us.
Market still open.
Trump doesn't look like a 1-16 shot on tonight's numbers in another closed caucus.
There's nothing civil about the Tory war on Europe tonight. Boris Johnson has accused Downing Street of getting John Longworth axed
Cruz 48%
Trump 35%
Rubio 8.6%
Kasich 7.4%
http://edition.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/me/
Michael Gove has given his first print Brexit interview to the Sunday Times. Warns that the EU is fuelling both terrorism and fascism
https://android.paddypower.mobi/#!paddypower_publication_event_iphone.t?classId=33&typeId=13089&eventId=10270323
Mindbleach time!
There will be casualties.
What we do know is that there aren't many lengths to which the Government won't go to win this.
Gove warns the EU has boosted "Hitler worshippers" and says the far right is stronger than at any time since the 1930s because of EU
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/706240846128156672
Some worried Boris and Gove would support #Brexit but not fight for it. Tmrw's Sunday paper interviews suggest their boxing gloves are on..
However, globalisation and non-European migration are probably much more to blame.
His mypoic party will be left to [ick up the pievces.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound
Gove has urged Tory regicides to abandon coup plot against Cameron. Says it would be "self-indulgent"
Is Boris capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction?
More popcorn at the back please...
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!
There will be suspicions hanging over those who changed their positions rather too conveniently at the eleventh hour.
There will be serious implications for the current leadership, and on the next leadership election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1968
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/04/the-fight-game-reloaded-how-mma-conquered-world-ufc
The fact that N4E concentrates on Cameron's future explains the crummy motivation by the numpty wing of the Tories. When you look at the fact that the main opposition to the referendum comes from crass Farage and his BNPlite and revengers on the dumbassed Tory wing then you do have to think Remain ought to win.
Some of them apparently believed that Cameron was genuinely undecided about whether the UK should remain in the EU.
Others seemed to be under the impression that the referendum campaign would be some kind of village cricket match in which playing fair was more important than winning.
Unbelievable.
I could not care less about Cameron, other than he was a man I admired but his behavior in this matter is appalling