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Tories' leading intellectual force (Gove) and its most popular star (Boris) have decided against PM's deal – concludes @faisalislam #skynews
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Nothing more, nothing less.
Awkward balancing act - but I'm sure he'll manage it.
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Tories' leading intellectual force (Gove) and its most popular star (Boris) have decided against PM's deal - concludes @faisalislam #skynews
Boris, you git.
Brexit back on target.
After we leave, the EU will either become the United States of Europe, or will fall apart.
The same solid grounds as Gove and many of his Justice team.
We may lose, but we'll go down swinging.
Going this way pretty much seals victory for him WHATEVER happens.
If Leave wins - he's in straight away anyway.
If Remain wins - he has signalled strongly he is an EU sceptic - that must surely get him a large proportion of Out MPs votes in 2019 - which will easily be enough to make the Final 2 - where he will be almost certain to win with the members as he'll tick both of the boxes which matter - ie popular and EU sceptic.
Well done Boris.
I'm all for that which ever team is involved.
Though the Stanley is very nice.
One of the people who I think has really lost out over the weekend is Sajid Javed. He made noises about being in the out campaign, and when the chips were down he chickened out of it. I bet there's one or two in the remain campaign in the cabinet that are regretting their positions now!
And because he is being (charitably) extremely economical with the actualite, and will get seriously exposed by someone who is up on the facts.
Mr. Die, a debate would get the media going all giggly about it for a week before and a week after. Plus, Remain (generally) is in the lead. A debate would be giving a crystal clear opportunity for Leave to strike back in a way that voters would watch and the media would report in extreme depth.
'Boris is so opposed to the deal Dave got he won't debate with anyone who thinks it was a good one. That's how passionately Boris feels about this.'
Get real,we've been hearing for weeks the major problem for Leave is that it wouldn't have a top well known politician in their group.
This is how cool Boris is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzk27itihRI
Boris 3.25/3.95
Osborne 4.3/5
Gove 9.8/15
May 10/12
Wide gaps between Buy and Lay but even so overall picture clear.
Well, no surprise from Boris. This ludicrous obfuscation he won't debate against Conservatives backing REMAIN nor will he share a platform with some on LEAVE is just nonsense.
Does that mean he'll share a platform with Kate Hoey and debate with Tim Farron ? Absurd.
There will be a final showdown debate between Cameron and Johnson - this is where it's heading and it will be as much about the succession for the Conservative Party leadership as about the EU.
Boris is right - there has been no fundamental re-negotiation just a light tinkering.
The astonishing thing is that as with Iraq for Labour and tuition fees for the Liberal Democrats, this is an entirely self-inflicted wound by the Conservatives.
I've little time for the gutless myself. Risk taking involves standing up and being counted. I'd never shrink from it in my worklife.
Alistair Meeks said
"The chief spokesmen and women for Leave look like the extended Addams Family. Of course Remain are going to draw attention to the carnival freakshow aspect of their opponents"
You clearly have an extremely low opinion of the public if you think that is going to be a deciding factor.
In case you missed it we are all freaks. Well except TSE who is some kind of Indo-European god incarnate.
Not only that, he put up a ridiculously illogical and unconvincing set of reasons why he is backing REMAIN.
Pure cowardly careerism from him I'm afraid.
'Leave needs an advocate. Boris has ruled himself out of being that. '
Nope, he's just ruled himself out of appearing in every single debate & appearing with Galloway.
Boris' actions will embolden shy Leavers who were worried about being thought of as UKIPers.
A shame, but still the epitome of a life lived to the absolute maximum.
"3/ Chief Exec of CityUK praised the deal ... I am on the board of CityUK & thought deal far from what City wanted or needed"
Remain 1.47
Leave 3.05
Also, there are now key members of the Cameroon project leading both sides, and Dave is retiring anyway, it doesn't matter who wins, his lieutenants will be taking his project forward.
If Remain wins there will be much slapping of backs and "no hard feelings" talk (this is why Boris is not going against Tories) and Gove and Boris will ease back into senior cabinet positions, when Dave retires Boris will be a shoo-in for PM, and Gove will be his right hand man.
If Leave wins, there will be much slapping of backs and "no hard feelings" talk (this is why Boris is not going against Tories), Dave will probably retire early, Boris will be a shoo-in for PM, and Gove will be his right hand man.
The Venn diagram requires an electron microscope to see the voting group.
'I'll enjoy the BSE analogies that the press will make when the remain campaign hits the skids all being well. Oh I forgot, it hid the skids in a big way today.'
Boris has pissed big time into Remain's soup and that's before Cameron's trivial concessions get picked to pieces.
Penny starting to drop that the whole thing is a complete charade.
But never mind - we end up still in the EU and with Boris as PM.
I can think of far worse combinations.
"3/ Chief Exec of CityUK praised the deal ... I am on the board of CityUK & thought deal far from what City wanted or needed"
Gerard is spot on there, which he isn't always
Frankly, I'm not at all interested in macho contests like this. It's all ruler crap.
He'll be advocating the Leave position. To voters. Not with other politicians.
I know he's said he wont' share a platform with Farage and The Gorgeous One but that doesn't mean he won't be active.
It could just mean he's planning to take control of LEAVE and boot the freak show (and people like Farage whose aim is probably to ensure we stay in the EU) to the sidelines?
'If only we all had Hungarian heated swimming pools, earned 20x the aver salary and voted for greenie parties. And thought rural people should pay extra and farming was unnecessary.'
You missed out the million pound apartment in Shoreditch, a salary not driven down by mass immigration, no kids to run the state school lottery & if the NHS is not great loads of money for private treatment
Two bulls are standing at the top of a hill overlooking a pasture.
One is an old-timer and the other is young.
In the pasture are dozens of attractive cows, milling about and eating the tender grass beneath their hooves.
The young bull says to the old bull, "Let's run down the hill and get us a cow!!"
The old bull calmly looks at the young one and replies, "Let's WALK down the hill and get them all."
No wonder waverers are repulsed even when they think LEAVE might be right.
Roundheads.
https://youtu.be/PDFiWxz8dqs
FFS how many debates would a Leader of the campaign appear in? 1? 2? at the most as there is no single Leader. Compared to the rest of the cabinet, Boris will shortly have more time to go and campaign than any of them will have.
If I were a convinced Outer I would not want him near the Brexit negotiations. You're very wise not to want him as Tory leader, especially given that the party can choose anyone and still beat Corbyn.
Could Roger "this banking crisis will all be over by the Monday" Darmus actually be right about something for once? Really?
Rubio's bigger issue is that Trump is fighting him for a decent segment of the GOP vote, your workaday Republicans. There is this idea that Trump somehow isn't getting some very regular, everyday GOP voters but he clearly hasn't invented a completely new batch of people.
Rubio needs to take some of them away.
REMAIN is explicitly basing its campaign on terrifying people into voting status, which ceded the high ground immediately, like the 2015 Conservative campaign
OTOH, our LEAVE friends saw something they didn't like and jumped right into anti-establishementTrumpianism
"People should vote Remain because all the out side are freakish idiots. Except for the smart rational ones, who are being duped by the freakish idiots."
Yeah I'm not sure how the idiots are managing to outwit the rational ones either, but there you go.
Boris takes over Leave, benefits from the inevitable backlash when Remain wins, life carries on as normal. Prevents UKIP or any other anti-establishment force from gaining a toehold in British politics.
Having said that, the fact it is considered necessary demonstrates genuine progress for the forces of 'Leave'. Otherwise it wouldn't be worth doing. There is also a risk that Boris is seen to be pulling his punches, a la Cameron in the 2010 election, which the Tory faithful are likely to be quite wary of. I don't think there's any way he can actively harm Leave without it rebounding on him - especially as he's ruled himself out of a big role. Therefore broadly speaking this must be considered as a good endorsement and little more or less.
What does the people of Liverpool think of him ?
@JGForsyth
"Just a few weeks ago, Downing Street confident Tories 4 Brexit wld be ‘small and, frankly, unattractive’. Now faced with Boris, Gove & Priti"
And now they dont??
I can't recall anyone winning a long shot, more myth than reality me thinks.
Happy to be corrected.