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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,076

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    Clinton has had all the attacks from the Republicans already; she wins if she is not subjected to criminal charges

    She's never had to face someone with Trump's gift for trolling. She backed off very quickly when he showed he was willing to bring up the details of her past as a fixer for her husband.
    That is one way to look at it - ae
    It's a geographic election. Trump will win ov.
    Hispanics, minorities and women will win it for Hillary
    Nothing like taking your voters for granted. Without Obama on the ticket Dem turnout will be lower. Ohio and Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Florida all go Trump he wins.
    No, w
    Ohio and Pennsylvania blue-collar W/C voters will give them to Trump (no matter how often they wheel out Bill and Biden. Virginia trending GOP, Nevada - Trump casinos - it goes Trump. Trump wins (and he doesnt need to try particularly hard)

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    Clinton has had all the attacks from the Republicans already; she wins if she is not subjected to criminal charges

    She's never had to face someon
    That is one way to look at it
    It's a geographic election. Trump will win over enough Re
    Hispanics, minorities and women will win it for Hillary
    Nothing like taking your voters for granted. Without Obama on the ticket Dem turnout will be lower. Ohio and Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Florida all go Trump he wins.
    No, wrong. Hispanics despise Trump and would vote for Satan if he was on the ballot against him, women will also vote for Hillary over Trump, though Trump will win white men by a large m
    Ohio and Pennsylvania blue-collar W/C voters will give them to Trump (no matter how often they wheel out Bill and Biden. Virginia trending GOP, Nevada - Trump casinos - it goes Trump. Trump wins (and he doesnt need to try particularly hard)
    Nevada, the Hispanic vote goes for Clinton, Pennsylvania even voted for John Kerry, Ohio is Clinton country, Virginia is increasingly a suburb of Democratic DC
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,099
    Danny565 said:

    JEB BUSH DROPPING OUT.

    Back in September Bush was saying, “I’m going to win South Carolina, take it to the bank"

    http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150924/PC1603/150929585/1031/bush-says-he-x2019-ll-win-sc-primary-x2018-take-it-to-the-bank-x2019
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    stjohn said:

    I like Jeb Bush.

    Pretty much everyone likes Jeb. He's a nice guy. Maybe that's part of the problem.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    AndyJS said:

    CNN: 60 votes separating Rubio and Cruz.

    So does that make it 0:0 delegates between these two - or maybe 0:0 instead?

    Surely a recount is required...
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Gap between Bush and Carson drops to 1%.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,076
    RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    Clinton has had all the attacks from the Republicans already; she wins if she is not subjected to criminal charges

    She's never had to face someone with Trump's gift for trolling. She backed off very quickly when he showed he was willing to bring up the details of her past as a fixer for her husband.
    That is one way to look at it - another way is that she insulted him, he insulted her, scores even - I don't think that it will be a surfeit of negatives from Democrats but a deficit of positives among Republicans that will defeat Trump qua nominee
    It's a geographic election. Trump will win over enough Reagan democrats in the flyover states to swing the election. It won't matter if some Republicans aren't willing to hold their nose and vote Trump because they'll all be in the places where Clinton will pile up votes anyway.
    The pendulum, aka regressive component, favours the GOP massively in 2016.

    my first long-range 2016 forecast...

    REP 53.4% 353
    DEM 46.6% 185


    If Kasich or Rubio were the GOP candidate it would favour them, but if it is Trump and Cruz then it does not and Hillary must be favourite to narrowly win
    Says who?
    Punters judging by their implied odds.
    Ignore them. The last DEM to win an election after 2 (or more) previous terms was almost 70 years ago, and he was a new incumbent...

    Only one non-incumbent DEM has achieved it. Van Buren in 1836, and he at least was Veep.

    It's the GOP's to lose.
    Yes, well looks like they are quite willing to lose it!!! If Rubio or Kascih were GOP nominee the GOP would almost certainly win, Trump or Cruz offers the Dems a get out of jail free card! Bush Snr also managed it for the GOP in 1988
    You forget Clinton, who cancels any toxicity in the GOP candidate.

    She trumps Trump in that department!

    Besides, candidates are shown to have negligible impact on the fundamentals of the cycle...
    Or looked at the other way Trump cancels any toxicity in Clinton, his unfavourables are just as bad if not worse. In 1968 Bobby Kennedy would likely have beaten Nixon, Nixon was able to beat Humphrey so that does not necessarily follow
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    Clinton has had all the attacks from the Republicans already; she wins if she is not subjected to criminal charges

    She's never had to face someone with Trump's gift for trolling. She backed off very quickly when he showed he was willing to bring up the details of her past as a fixer for her husband.
    That is one way to look at it - another way is that she insulted him, he insulted her, scores even - I don't think that it will be a surfeit of negatives from Democrats but a deficit of positives among Republicans that will defeat Trump qua nominee
    It's a geographic election. Trump will win over enough Reagan democrats in the flyover states to swing the election. It won't matter if some Republicans aren't willing to hold their nose and vote Trump because they'll all be in the places where Clinton will pile up votes anyway.
    The pendulum, aka regressive component, favours the GOP massively in 2016.

    my first long-range 2016 forecast...

    REP 53.4% 353
    DEM 46.6% 185


    If Kasich or Rubio were the GOP candidate it would favour them, but if it is Trump and Cruz then it does not and Hillary must be favourite to narrowly win
    Says who?
    The polls. Rubio leads Clinton by 4.7% in the RCP poll average, Clinton leads Trump by 2.8%. Rubio and Sanders are tied, Sanders leads Trump by 7.8%
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
    If all you needed was the polls, you wouldn't need PB and its successful contrarian pundits now, would you?

    Indeed but until the evidence changes I will go on the evidence we have, delightful though these arguments are
    Polls at this stage are not evidence of anything - except perhaps too many polls...
    There are only 55 polls that matter - 50 states and 5 territories
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    AndyJS said:

    Gap between Bush and Carson drops to 1%.

    Does that mean Jeb's staying in?

    Yawn...
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    Gap between Bush and Carson drops to 1%.

    Does that mean Jeb's staying in?

    Yawn...
    Spectacularly bad for Bush if he drops to sixth place.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2016
    AndyJS said:

    Gap between Bush and Carson drops to 1%.

    I did say that the opinion polls showed him battling for last with Carson, the day after OGH declared him the winner of the debate.

    Never make an assumption about debate winners until you see the voting intention.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    CNN: 60 votes separating Rubio and Cruz.

    So does that make it 0:0 delegates between these two - or maybe 0:0 instead?

    Surely a recount is required...
    Are you in a tetchy mood tonight?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,076
    RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    Clinton has had all the attacks from the Republicans already; she wins if she is not subjected to criminal charges

    She's never had to face someone with Trump's gift for trolling. She backed off very quickly when he showed he was willing to bring up the details of her past as a fixer for her husband.
    That is one way to look at it - another way is that she insulted him, he insulted her, scores even - I don't think that it will be a surfeit of negatives from Democrats but a deficit of positives among Republicans that will defeat Trump qua nominee
    It's a geographic election. Trump will win over enough Reagan democrats in the flyover states to swing the election. It won't matter if some Republicans aren't willing to hold their nose and vote Trump because they'll all be in the places where Clinton will pile up votes anyway.
    The pendulum, aka regressive component, favours the GOP massively in 2016.

    my first long-range 2016 forecast...

    REP 53.4% 353
    DEM 46.6% 185


    If Kasich or Rubio were the GOP candidate it would favour them, but if it is Trump and Cruz then it does not and Hillary must be favourite to narrowly win
    Says who?
    The polls. Rubio leads Clinton by 4.7% in the RCP poll average, Clinton leads Trump by 2.8%. Rubio and Sanders are tied, Sanders leads Trump by 7.8%
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
    If all you needed was the polls, you wouldn't need PB and its successful contrarian pundits now, would you?

    Indeed but until the evidence changes I will go on the evidence we have, delightful though these arguments are
    Polls at this stage are not evidence of anything - except perhaps too many polls...
    At this stage in 2012 Obama was beating Romney, in 2008 he was beating McCain, in 2004 Bush was beating Kerry, in 2000 Bush was beating Gore. They are not infallible, as 1980 showed but they cannot be dismissed either
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    stjohn said:

    I like Jeb Bush.

    Me too.

    He's unusually self aware for a politician.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    AndyJS said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    CNN: 60 votes separating Rubio and Cruz.

    So does that make it 0:0 delegates between these two - or maybe 0:0 instead?

    Surely a recount is required...
    Are you in a tetchy mood tonight?
    I'm in a bullish mood...

    On Trump and the GOP.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    And Jeb is cashed out for £1 @ 1000-1
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Trump speaking now.
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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    Clinton has had all the attacks from the Republicans already; she wins if she is not subjected to criminal charges

    She's never had to face someone with Trump's gift for trolling. She backed off very quickly when he showed he was willing to bring up the details of her past as a fixer for her husband.
    That is one way to look at it - ae
    It's a geographic election. Trump will win ov.
    Hispanics, minorities and women will win it for Hillary
    Nothing like taking your voters for granted. Without Obama on the ticket Dem turnout will be lower. Ohio and Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Florida all go Trump he wins.
    No, w
    Ohio and Pennsylvania blue-collar W/C voters will give them to Trump (no matter how often they wheel out Bill and Biden. Virginia trending GOP, Nevada - Trump casinos - it goes Trump. Trump wins (and he doesnt need to try particularly hard)

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    Clinton has had all the attacks from the Republicans already; she wins if she is not subjected to criminal charges

    She's never had to face someon
    That is one way to look at it
    It's a geographic election. Trump will win over enough Re
    Hispanics, minorities and women will win it for Hillary
    Nothing like taking your voters for granted. Without Obama on the ticket Dem turnout will be lower. Ohio and Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Florida all go Trump he wins.
    No, wrong. Hispanics despise Trump and would vote for Satan if he was on the ballot against him, women will also vote for Hillary over Trump, though Trump will win white men by a large m
    Ohio and Pennsylvania blue-collar W/C voters will give them to Trump (no matter how often they wheel out Bill and Biden. Virginia trending GOP, Nevada - Trump casinos - it goes Trump. Trump wins (and he doesnt need to try particularly hard)
    Nevada, the Hispanic vote goes for Clinton, Pennsylvania even voted for John Kerry, Ohio is Clinton country, Virginia is increasingly a suburb of Democratic DC
    Ohio is Kasich country. Which is why he'll be high up the VP list.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2016
    Trump "we love New Hampshire"

    I'm making a speech to Atlanta and them I'm going to Nevada, I would like to thank my family, i have a great family, Ivanka to have her baby in S.C., we have a wonderful lieutenant government, i will take him anytime over the the governor because we won.

    Now Melania and Ivanka talk.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    HYUFD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    Clinton has had all the attacks from the Republicans already; she wins if she is not subjected to criminal charges

    She's never had to face someone with Trump's gift for trolling. She backed off very quickly when he showed he was willing to bring up the details of her past as a fixer for her husband.
    That is one way to look at it - another way is that she insulted him, he insulted her, scores even - I don't think that it will be a surfeit of negatives from Democrats but a deficit of positives among Republicans that will defeat Trump qua nominee
    It's a geographic election. Trump will win over enough Reagan democrats in the flyover states to swing the election. It won't matter if some Republicans aren't willing to hold their nose and vote Trump because they'll all be in the places where Clinton will pile up votes anyway.
    The pendulum, aka regressive component, favours the GOP massively in 2016.

    my first long-range 2016 forecast...

    REP 53.4% 353
    DEM 46.6% 185


    If Kasich or Rubio were the GOP candidate it would favour them, but if it is Trump and Cruz then it does not and Hillary must be favourite to narrowly win
    Says who?
    The polls. Rubio leads Clinton by 4.7% in the RCP poll average, Clinton leads Trump by 2.8%. Rubio and Sanders are tied, Sanders leads Trump by 7.8%
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
    If all you needed was the polls, you wouldn't need PB and its successful contrarian pundits now, would you?

    Indeed but until the evidence changes I will go on the evidence we have, delightful though these arguments are
    Polls at this stage are not evidence of anything - except perhaps too many polls...
    At this stage in 2012 Obama was beating Romney, in 2008 he was beating McCain, in 2004 Bush was beating Kerry, in 2000 Bush was beating Gore. They are not infallible, as 1980 showed but they cannot be dismissed either
    Yawn. Ignore polls, except perhaps those that may confirm the fundamentals, as all of your examples do...

    The fundamentals say GOP by a mile.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited February 2016
    Trump getting his family members to speak.

    He is just trolling the world now isn't he, lol
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    Which one is Trump's daughter, and which one his wife :D ?
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    stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,780
    Looks like Rubio will be 2nd. Last matched at 1.1
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited February 2016
    The pregnant one on TV left is Ivanka, the one in the pink dress TV right is Melanoma

    edit: Melania
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Oh Trump attacking pundits over the dropping out of candidates = the end of Trump.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    Speedy said:

    Oh Trump attacking pundits over the dropping out of candidates = the end of Trump.

    Oh what nonsense.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Now Trump attacking Mexico.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Danny565 said:

    Trump getting his family members to speak.

    He is just trolling the world now isn't he, lol

    This happens at most of his events.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Trump "I love hispanics and they love me", now attacking China.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    Rubio 5.2 on POTUS o_O
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Speedy said:

    Trump "we love New Hampshire"

    I'm making a speech to Atlanta and them I'm going to Nevada, I would like to thank my family, i have a great family, Ivanka to have her baby in S.C., we have a wonderful lieutenant government, i will take him anytime over the the governor because we won.

    Now Melania and Ivanka talk.

    He's at the Georgia World Trade Center tomorrow at 4pm. As I saw him a few days ago I'm not going.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Tim_B said:

    Speedy said:

    Trump "we love New Hampshire"

    I'm making a speech to Atlanta and them I'm going to Nevada, I would like to thank my family, i have a great family, Ivanka to have her baby in S.C., we have a wonderful lieutenant government, i will take him anytime over the the governor because we won.

    Now Melania and Ivanka talk.

    He's at the Georgia World Trade Center tomorrow at 4pm. As I saw him a few days ago I'm not going.
    I don't think they like protesters at Trump rallies.
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    stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,780
    Trump's not big on detail is he?

    "We are going to a plan that is so much better than Obamacare and so much less expensive."
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Trump is very high energy tonight.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Pulpstar said:

    Rubio 5.2 on POTUS o_O

    Bonkers bettors. This was more or less the last chance to blunt Trump's momentum.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    stjohn said:

    Trump's not big on detail is he?

    "We are going to a plan that is so much better than Obamacare and so much less expensive."

    You have just noticed this?
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    stjohn said:

    Trump's not big on detail is he?

    "We are going to a plan that is so much better than Obamacare and so much less expensive."

    He's a fucking loonball.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    Speedy said:

    Trump "we love New Hampshire"

    I'm making a speech to Atlanta and them I'm going to Nevada, I would like to thank my family, i have a great family, Ivanka to have her baby in S.C., we have a wonderful lieutenant government, i will take him anytime over the the governor because we won.

    Now Melania and Ivanka talk.

    He's at the Georgia World Trade Center tomorrow at 4pm. As I saw him a few days ago I'm not going.
    I don't think they like protesters at Trump rallies.
    I just sit there quietly at the back wearing my Obama t-shirt so nobody will notice me.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I'm ready to declare that Rubio has come in second.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,290
    When do we get the South Carolina Democratic results?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2016
    The Benetton Ad losers are talking.
    I predict that he will declare victory.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    MikeL said:

    When do we get the South Carolina Democratic results?

    Next week.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,076
    edited February 2016
    RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    Clinton has had all the attacks from the Republicans already; she wins if she is not subjected to criminal charges

    She's never had to face someone with Trump's gift for trolling. She backed off very quickly when he showed he was willing to bring up the details of her past as a fixer for her husband.
    That is one way to look at it - another way is that she insulted him, he insulted her, scores even - I don't think that it will be a surfeit of negatives from Democrats but a deficit of positives among Republicans that will defeat Trump qua nominee
    It's a geographic election. Trump will win over enough Reagan democrats in the flyover states to swing the election. It won't matter if some Republicans aren't willing to hold their nose and vote Trump because they'll all be in the places where Clinton will pile up votes anyway.
    The pendulum, aka regressive component, favours the GOP massively in 2016.

    my first long-range 2016 forecast...

    REP 53.4% 353
    DEM 46.6% 185


    If Kasich or Rubio were the GOP candidate it would favour them, but if it is Trump and Cruz then it does not and Hillary must be favourite to narrowly win
    Says who?
    The polls. Rubio leads Clinton by 4.7% in the RCP poll average, Clinton leads Trump by 2.8%. Rubio and Sanders are tied, Sanders leads Trump by 7.8%
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
    If all you needed was the polls, you wouldn't need PB and its successful contrarian pundits now, would you?

    Indeed but until the evidence changes I will go on the evidence we have, delightful though these arguments are
    Polls at this stage are not evidence of anything - except perhaps too many polls...
    At this stage in
    Yawn. Ignore polls, except perhaps those that may confirm the fundamentals, as all of your examples do...

    The fundamentals say GOP by a mile.
    The fundamentals say a reformed GOP which reaches out to Hispanics in a US with a rising minority population could win, they also say a Republican party which reaches back to its comfort zone of the 1950s and attacks Hispanics and gay marriage and the modern world will not!
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    MikeL said:

    When do we get the South Carolina Democratic results?

    Week tonight.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2016
    Domo arigato Marco Roboto.

    "I'm Congratulating Donald Trump for winning, this is a 3 person race and I will win the nomination."
    "Jeb Bush has many things to be proud of"

    He's licking Jeb's behinds.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    HYUFD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:

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    HYUFD said:

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    EPG said:



    She's never had to face someone with Trump's gift for trolling. She backed off very quickly when he showed he was willing to bring up the details of her past as a fixer for her husband.

    It's a geographic election. Trump will win over enough Reagan democrats in the flyover states to swing the election. It won't matter if some Republicans aren't willing to hold their nose and vote Trump because they'll all be in the places where Clinton will pile up votes anyway.
    The pendulum, aka regressive component, favours the GOP massively in 2016.

    my first long-range 2016 forecast...

    REP 53.4% 353
    DEM 46.6% 185


    If Kasich or Rubio were the GOP candidate it would favour them, but if it is Trump and Cruz then it does not and Hillary must be favourite to narrowly win
    Says who?
    The polls. Rubio leads Clinton by 4.7% in the RCP poll average, Clinton leads Trump by 2.8%. Rubio and Sanders are tied, Sanders leads Trump by 7.8%
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
    If all you needed was the polls, you wouldn't need PB and its successful contrarian pundits now, would you?

    Indeed but until the evidence changes I will go on the evidence we have, delightful though these arguments are
    Polls at this stage are not evidence of anything - except perhaps too many polls...
    At this stage in 2012 Obama was beating Romney, in 2008 he was beating McCain, in 2004 Bush was beating Kerry, in 2000 Bush was beating Gore. They are not infallible, as 1980 showed but they cannot be dismissed either
    Yawn. Ignore polls, except perhaps those that may confirm the fundamentals, as all of your examples do...

    The fundamentals say GOP by a mile.
    The fundamentals say a reformed GOP which reaches out to Hispanics in a US with a rising minority population could win, they also say a Republican party which reaches back to its comfort zone of the 1950s and attacks Hispanics and the modern world will not!
    Guff, that's not fundamentals. That's special pleading/wishful thinking...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,076

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    Clinton has had all the attacks from the Republicans already; she wins if she is not subjected to criminal charges

    She's never had to face someone with Trump's gift for trolling. She backed off very quickly when he showed he was willing to bring up the details of her past as a fixer for her husband.
    That is one way to look at it - ae
    It's a geographic election. Trump will win ov.
    Hispanics, minorities and women will win it for Hillary
    Nothing like taking your voters for granted. Without Obama on the ticket Dem turnout will be lower. Ohio and Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Florida all go Trump he wins.
    No, w
    Ohio and Pennsylvania blue-collar W/C voters will give them to Trump (no matter how often they wheel out Bill and Biden. Virginia trending GOP, Nevada - Trump casinos - it goes Trump. Trump wins (and he doesnt need to try particularly hard)

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    Clinton has had all the attacks from the Republicans already; she wins if she is not subjected to criminal charges

    She's never had to face someon
    That is one way to look at it
    It's a geographic election. Trump will win over enough Re
    Hispanics, minorities and women will win it for Hillary
    Nothing like taking your voters for granted. W
    No, wrong. Hispanics despise Trump and would vote for Satan if he was on the ballot against him, women will also vote for Hillary over Trump, though Trump will win white men by a large m
    Ohio and Pennsylvania blue-collar W/C voters will give them to Trump (no matter how often they wheel out Bill and Biden. Virginia trending GOP, Nevada - Trump casinos - it goes Trump. Trump wins (and he doesnt need to try particularly hard)
    Nevada, the Hispanic vote goes for Clinton, Pennsylvania even voted for John Kerry, Ohio is Clinton country, Virginia is increasingly a suburb of Democratic DC
    Ohio is Kasich country. Which is why he'll be high up the VP list.
    Even if Clinton lost Ohio she still wins with Nevada and Virginia
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2016
    "21st Century"

    There he goes again.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,290
    RodCrosby said:

    MikeL said:

    When do we get the South Carolina Democratic results?

    Week tonight.
    Thanks.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,076
    RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:

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    HYUFD said:

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    EPG said:



    She's never had to face someone with Trump's gift for trolling. She backed off very quickly when he showed he was willing to bring up the details of her past as a fixer for her husband.

    It's a geographic election. Trump will win over enough Reagan democrats in the flyover states to swing the election. It won't matter if some Republicans aren't willing to hold their nose and vote Trump because they'll all be in the places where Clinton will pile up votes anyway.
    The pendulum, aka regressive component, favours the GOP massively in 2016.

    my first long-range 2016 forecast...

    REP 53.4% 353
    DEM 46.6% 185


    If Kasich or Rubio were the GOP candidate it would favour them, but if it is Trump and Cruz then it does not and Hillary must be favourite to narrowly win
    Says who?
    The polls. Rubio leads Cli
    If all y

    Indeed but until the evidence changes I will go on the evidence we have, delightful though these arguments are
    Polls at this stage are not evidence of anything - except perhaps too many polls...
    At this stage in 2012 Obama was beatin
    Yawn. Ignore polls, except perhaps those that may confirm the fundamentals, as all of your examples do...

    The fundamentals say GOP by a mile.
    The fundamentals say a reformed GOP which reaches out to Hispanics in a US with a rising minority population could win, they also say a Republican party which reaches back to its comfort zone of the 1950s and attacks Hispanics and the modern world will not!
    Guff, that's not fundamentals. That's special pleading/wishful thinking...
    Nope, that is your wishful thinking, Romney won the highest share of the white vote since 1988 in 2012 and still lost. Trump could win an even higher share and also lose because well over a third of the electorate is minority and the GOP is not making the inroads they need into that vote to win, indeed Trump could even take them backwards with the Hispanic vote
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Speedy said:

    Domo arigato Marco Roboto.

    "Jeb Bush has many things to be proud of"

    Like getting the hell out of the way. To give us one last chance to stop The Donald...
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2016
    Rubio:

    Reagan, Morning in america, assuming the mantle of leardership, reagan, reagan, reagan, who are we, 21st century, Tim Scott, 21st century, immigrants, Nicky Haley, 21st century, my father was a bartender from Cuba, we are a nation, we are a nation, 21st century, 21st century, 21st century, limited government, join us, we are down to 3, unify our country, MarcoRubio.com, 60 years ago from Cuba, my parents.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,076
    Rubio now speaking on Sky News after Trump and Bush's statements
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    One ineligible candidate thanks the endorsement of another...
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    Clinton has had all the attacks from the Republicans already; she wins if she is not subjected to criminal charges

    She's never had to face someone with Trump's gift for trolling. She backed off very quickly when he showed he was willing to bring up the details of her past as a fixer for her husband.
    That is one way to look at it - ae
    It's a geographic election. Trump will win ov.
    Hispanics, minorities and women will win it for Hillary
    No, w
    Ohio and Pennsylvania blue-collar W/C voters will give them to Trump (no matter how often they wheel out Bill and Biden. Virginia trending GOP, Nevada - Trump casinos - it goes Trump. Trump wins (and he doesnt need to try particularly hard)

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    Clinton has had all the attacks from the Republicans already; she wins if she is not subjected to criminal charges

    She's never had to face someon
    That is one way to look at it
    It's a geographic election. Trump will win over enough Re
    Hispanics, minorities and women will win it for Hillary
    Nothing like taking your voters for granted. W
    No, wrong. Hispanics despise Trump and would vote for Satan if he was on the ballot against him, women will also vote for Hillary over Trump, though Trump will win white men by a large m
    Ohio and Pennsylvania blue-collar W/C voters will give them to Trump (no matter how often they wheel out Bill and Biden. Virginia trending GOP, Nevada - Trump casinos - it goes Trump. Trump wins (and he doesnt need to try particularly hard)
    Nevada, the Hispanic vote goes for Clinton, Pennsylvania even voted for John Kerry, Ohio is Clinton country, Virginia is increasingly a suburb of Democratic DC
    Ohio is Kasich country. Which is why he'll be high up the VP list.
    Even if Clinton lost Ohio she still wins with Nevada and Virginia
    If Kasich stays in until Ohio, he could probably block Trump and let Rubio win it.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Rubio making the speech of the night.

    Ted Cruz has not won a single county in SC today
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2016
    Tim_B said:

    Rubio making the speech of the night.

    Ted Cruz has not won a single county in SC today

    Rubio said Reagan 5 times in 1 minute and 6 times 21st century.
    More the cassette of the night.
    They don't call him Marco Roboto for nothing.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,076
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    Clinton has had all the attacks from the Republicans already; she wins if she is not subjected to criminal charges

    She's never had to face someone with Trump's gift for trolling. She backed off very quickly when he showed he was willing to bring up the details of her past as a fixer for her husband.
    That is one way to look at it - ae
    It's a geographic election. Trump will win ov.
    Hispanics, minorities and women will win it for Hillary
    No, w
    Ohio and Pennsylvania blue-collar W/C voters will give them to Trump (no matter how often they wheel out Bill and Biden. Virginia trending GOP, Nevada - Trump casinos - it goes Trump. Trump wins (and he doesnt need to try particularly hard)

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    Clinton has had all the attacks from the Republicans already; she wins if she is not subjected to criminal charges

    She's never had to face someon
    That is one way to look at it
    It's a geographic election. Trump will win over enough Re
    Hispanics, minorities and women will win it for Hillary
    Nothing like taking your voters for granted. W
    No,
    Ohio and Pennsylvania blue-collar W/C voters will give them to Trump (no matter how often they wheel out Bill and Biden. Virginia trending GOP, Nevada - Trump casinos - it goes Trump. Trump wins (and he doesnt need to try particularly hard)
    Nevada, the Hispanic vote goes for Clinton, Pennsylvania even voted for John Kerry, Ohio is Clinton country, Virginia is increasingly a suburb of Democratic DC
    Ohio is Kasich country. Which is why he'll be high up the VP list.
    Even if Clinton lost Ohio she still wins with Nevada and Virginia
    If Kasich stays in until Ohio, he could probably block Trump and let Rubio win it.
    If anything I would have thought Kasich staying in helps Trump
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,076
    Speedy said:

    Rubio:

    Reagan, Morning in america, assuming the mantle of leardership, reagan, reagan, reagan, who are we, 21st century, Tim Scott, 21st century, immigrants, Nicky Haley, 21st century, my father was a bartender from Cuba, we are a nation, we are a nation, 21st century, 21st century, 21st century, limited government, join us, we are down to 3, unify our country, MarcoRubio.com, 60 years ago from Cuba, my parents.

    Yes I think we know the Rubio speech off by heart by now, it works well when he can recite it unchallenged, rather less well when he has to think on his feet as the NH debate showed
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2016
    CNN guy doesn't know that delegates are not awarded proportionally in all states before March 15th actually.

    Example: S.C. Trump 33% of the vote, 100% of the delegates.
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    Rubio describing Cuban couple who came to America: "I'm talking about my parents."

    Audience member: "Yeah, spoiler alert."
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,076
    Right off to bed, night all. Nevada GOP caucuses next up on Tuesday
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    Ted Cruz at 30 / 480 o_O !
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Rubio describing Cuban couple who came to America: "I'm talking about my parents."

    Audience member: "Yeah, spoiler alert."

    The have heard the same speech a lot of times.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    CNN guy calling Trump a clown for not acknowledging Jeb Bush, equates Bush with "your child" .
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2016
    Cruz speaking:

    GOOOD bless the great state of S.C, we made history, our volunteers, we defied the pundits, let me praise Jeb Bush, he ran a campaign based on substance, he didn't go to the gutter, we give our best to the Bush family, I want to thank my team Jeff Dunkan Mark Sanford ect ect ect ect ect ect ect and all 7 of their kids and the 500 pastors that endorsed me, Iowa, N.H, S.C, we don't know the results, we are tied for second, we defied expectations, screaming youth across the potomac are scared (Rubio), a moment of silence for Scalia, I attended his funeral, I knew him well for 20 years, Reagan and Scalia, underscores the stakes, 2 branches at stake, no washington power brokers, we the people , this election will be a referendum on the supreme court, Sanders Hillary socialists, constitution abortion guns bible, they said we will never win and we defied expectations, false and nasty attacks against us, everyone was against us, S.C gave us a remarkable result, Iowa, N.H. S.C, 1st conservatives unite behind us, i;m the only strong conservative in the race, we our the only ones that have beaten Trump, that's why he attacks me, I congratulate him, i say to america, Trump will lose against the democrats, i will have a strong contrast, volunteers, TedCruz.org .
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    Rubio didn't mention Scalia in his speech.

    This could work for Cruz/
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    Speedy said:

    Rubio describing Cuban couple who came to America: "I'm talking about my parents."

    Audience member: "Yeah, spoiler alert."

    The have heard the same speech a lot of times.
    Aye thats why its funny;

    https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/9782DF1FEA1313021335768801280_5c74176cb39.5.0.16623677992623877266.mp4?versionId=PbXvX4T4y8TsfZJu8mT6lmlqylobnqYm
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Cruz:
    Life, guns, flat tax, abolish IRS, only one candidate, amnesty, only one, ethanol and won Iowa, I will rebuilt the military, stand up for Israel, utterly destroy ISIS, together we secure the borders, make america safe, I give you my word, i will appoint constitutionalists, I will fight with every breath, liberties blesses to inherit, we fight, we love our children we will not give up, Nevada, Super Tuesday, Iowa, N.H, S.C have given a choice, no washington dealmakers, stand together with principled constitutional conservative.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2016
    It's still possible that Cruz may take second place, he's only 900 votes behind Rubio and in the counties still to be completed he's beating Rubio, he might close it by another 250 votes by York county and then close it by 10, 20, 30 votes here and there in each of the smaller counties.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Rubio looks terrible when the camera zooms in.
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    JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    The close contest between Rubio and Cruz for 2nd place reminds me of the statistical equation that

    If candidate A has a votes,
    and if candidate B has b votes,
    and if the votes are mixed up and counted one by one in a random order,
    there is a probability of (a-b)/(a+b)
    that A will be ahead of B throughout the entire count.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited February 2016
    Speedy said:

    It's still possible that Cruz may take second place, he's only 900 votes behind Rubio and in the counties still to be completed he's beating Rubio, he might close it by another 250 votes by York county and then close it by 10, 20, 30 votes here and there in each of the smaller counties.

    Unlikely - Rubio's been between 800-1000 votes ahead for well over an hour.

    Cruz has not won a single county in SC
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    JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    Did someone mention the 21st Century?

    It reminds me of the time when Bill Clinton used to pledge that he would get the USA into the 21st Century, and then Rory Bremner (as Clinton) pointed out that we would get there anyway.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2016
    Steve Kornacki ‏@SteveKornacki 3h3 hours ago
    Trump becomes the fourth Republican since 1980 to lose Iowa, then win both NH and SC. The others were Reagan '80, Bush '88 and McCain '08.

    That sums it up.

    Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict 9m9 minutes ago
    Projection: Donald Trump has won all 50 South Carolina delegates.

    Goodnight.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    That is a great picture of Donald Trump on the CNN race red box.

    Makes him look look oyunger than he is !
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I have to add this too:

    amy walter ‏@amyewalter 3h3 hours ago
    Once again, Trump’s winning across class/education/party/ideology/ religion lines. Going to be hard to stop.
    Pulpstar said:
    Yeah Trump only having a 19 point lead over Cruz in Florida and a 23 point lead over Rubio, with Bush at 4% .
    We can start being sarcastic.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,984
    JohnLoony said:

    The close contest between Rubio and Cruz for 2nd place reminds me of the statistical equation that

    If candidate A has a votes,
    and if candidate B has b votes,
    and if the votes are mixed up and counted one by one in a random order,
    there is a probability of (a-b)/(a+b)
    that A will be ahead of B throughout the entire count.

    I think there needs to be a modulus in there or something. Otheriwse there would be a negative probability of B had one more vote than A :p
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    Just got an email from Stronger In - "This is what we are up against - Nigel Farage and George Galloway" not a lot of ball playing going on!
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Just got an email from Stronger In - "This is what we are up against - Nigel Farage and George Galloway" not a lot of ball playing going on!

    Dangerous... risks their team getting complacent.... and a reply email with pictures of McMao, Eddy Izzard and Gerry Adams... and if they are really unlucky, Emma Thompson ;)
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    Indigo said:

    Just got an email from Stronger In - "This is what we are up against - Nigel Farage and George Galloway" not a lot of ball playing going on!

    Dangerous... risks their team getting complacent.... and a reply email with pictures of McMao, Eddy Izzard and Gerry Adams... and if they are really unlucky, Emma Thompson ;)
    True - but if they can turn a "Vote for Leave" into a "Vote for Nigel & George" they'll be happy enough....
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    email from Vote Leave:

    If you vote ‘stay’ in the referendum, it means:
    The permanent supremacy of EU law
    We keep sending over £350 million every week to Brussels – 60 times more than we spend on the NHS Cancer Fund
    Permanent EU control of trade, human rights, and migration
    Your money will be spent on propping up the euro


    How do they justify their final claim?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,984

    email from Vote Leave:

    If you vote ‘stay’ in the referendum, it means:
    The permanent supremacy of EU law
    We keep sending over £350 million every week to Brussels – 60 times more than we spend on the NHS Cancer Fund
    Permanent EU control of trade, human rights, and migration
    Your money will be spent on propping up the euro


    How do they justify their final claim?

    Part of the funds we pay to the EU goes to maintaining this monstrosity:

    http://c8.alamy.com/comp/AAE2K7/frankfurt-am-main-the-euro-monument-in-front-of-the-european-central-AAE2K7.jpg

    Perhaps :p
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited February 2016

    Your money will be spent on propping up the euro

    How do they justify their final claim?

    Any bailout or assistance which comes from the EU Budget is de facto being partly paid for by the UK as we contribute to that budget.

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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Likewise, we have established once and for all in international law that Britain's national security is the sole responsibility of the British Government – so, for instance, we will never be part of a European Army.

    The changes will be legally binding in international law, and will be deposited at the UN.

    the review by the Court of the validity of any Community measure in the light of fundamental rights must be considered to be the expression, in a community based on the rule of law, of a constitutional guarantee stemming from the EC Treaty as an autonomous legal system which is not to be prejudiced by an international agreement.

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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited February 2016
    Polish PM can't resist a gloat
    https://twitter.com/BeataSzydlo/status/700804227753492480

    Today's agreement is good news for Europe. We took care of the interests of the Polish people benefiting from social services in the Member States #UE
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    Indigo said:

    Polish PM can't resist a gloat
    https://twitter.com/BeataSzydlo/status/700804227753492480


    Today's agreement is good news for Europe. We took care of the interests of the Polish people benefiting from social services in the Member States #UE
    By ensuring our deal was only for us, not for the whole of Europe as some wanted.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Indigo said:

    Polish PM can't resist a gloat
    https://twitter.com/BeataSzydlo/status/700804227753492480


    Today's agreement is good news for Europe. We took care of the interests of the Polish people benefiting from social services in the Member States #UE
    By ensuring our deal was only for us, not for the whole of Europe as some wanted.

    There is a lot more cross border commutting in Central Europe, so family benifits related issuus can be quite a tangle.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492

    Indigo said:

    Just got an email from Stronger In - "This is what we are up against - Nigel Farage and George Galloway" not a lot of ball playing going on!

    Dangerous... risks their team getting complacent.... and a reply email with pictures of McMao, Eddy Izzard and Gerry Adams... and if they are really unlucky, Emma Thompson ;)
    True - but if they can turn a "Vote for Leave" into a "Vote for Nigel & George" they'll be happy enough....
    This is what political debate in the UK has descended to. Perhaps Simon Cowell can host election night broadcasts.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited February 2016

    Indigo said:

    Just got an email from Stronger In - "This is what we are up against - Nigel Farage and George Galloway" not a lot of ball playing going on!

    Dangerous... risks their team getting complacent.... and a reply email with pictures of McMao, Eddy Izzard and Gerry Adams... and if they are really unlucky, Emma Thompson ;)
    True - but if they can turn a "Vote for Leave" into a "Vote for Nigel & George" they'll be happy enough....
    This is what political debate in the UK has descended to. Perhaps Simon Cowell can host election night broadcasts.
    A lot of Leave is equally personal character attacks. Sauce for the goose...
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited February 2016
    Bitch of the day?
    @BBCWorldatOne
    Alan Johnson: "Let's be kind, they're not the six most astute politicians that I've ever met in the Cabinet" #tw2 pic.twitter.com/lwuqT9ep0d
    Retweeted by Nick Sutton
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