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  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited February 2016
    Scott_P said:
    Arf - Gordon Rayner for the Telegraph has "signalled his support" for writing utter bollox...
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,623
    edited February 2016
    Sandpit said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Good idea for a thread - maybe after referendum if it is in June.

    @georgeeaton
    McDonnell says Treasury should be broken up into economic ministry and finance ministry (as Blair considered). #LSEMcDonnell

    We could have the Department of Economic Affairs, as under Wilson, Led by George Brown!

    Presumably the finance ministry would raise all the money and the economic ministry would waste it all on so-called "investments". Perhaps we could resuscitate British Leyland, while we're about it.

    Back to the future, indeed.

    Just shows what a joke McDonnell is.
    Done correctly I could see merit in this, in that in targeting UK debts the current government have focussed very largely on getting the government deficit down, the finance aspect. The other 5/6 or so of the UK's debt - personal, private sector and banking, the economic aspect, has been substantially ignored. How much is pure party political - painting a crash where public sector looms large - and how much is practical, waiting until the economy is on the up before trying to deleverage the private sector in some kind of soft landing, I don't exactly know. But there is still a hell of a lot of work to be done to recover from the crash, and an economic ministry with the right mindset could be exactly what is needed for the job.

    Whether that is what McDonnell is actually proposing is another matter.
    I read it that McDonnell wants to be in charge of the ministry of spending money, and wants some other mug to be in charge of raising it!
    I see - so not a ministry for public sector and a ministry for meddling in regulating the private sector then, as I had it. He just wants to be Mrs McDonnell the stereotypical 50s housewife... Pity.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited February 2016
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,623
    Scott_P said:
    Hey, where'd the 9 Creme Eggs go!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Pro_Rata said:

    Hey, where'd the 9 Creme Eggs go!

    If you saw it, you know exactly where they went...
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,623
    Scott_P said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Hey, where'd the 9 Creme Eggs go!

    If you saw it, you know exactly where they went...
    It was a long hop - in so many different ways.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,446

    What to read into this?

    Did he follow up with 'Please retweet'?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,813
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @Reuters: BREAKING: Former French President Sarkozy being investigated in campaign funding probe: Paris prosecutor

    Good news for Marine Le Pen
    Not really: it makes it much more likely Juppe is Les Republicans candidate, and he hammers her.

    Marine needs Sarkozy to be Les Republicans candidate, because that means that Hollande may beat out out Sarkozy in the first round, and in a Le Pen vs Hollande match-up she stands a chance.
    Sarkozy will run against Juppe whether he wins the official centre right nomination or not, he has that big an ego, so that still helps Le Pen and also makes a Hollande v Le Pen run-off more likely
    No he won't. The Les Republicans donors will not fund Sarkozy.
    Sarkozy has quite enough wealthy friends to fund himself and his brother works on Wall Street and is worth $100 million
    He wouldn't do it. The rebranding of the right as the Republicans is his pet project so it would come at too great a cost to his legacy to stand against his own party.
    Of course he will do it, Sarkozy has a bigger ego than Napoleon. He is a former presidentnot Juppe and he sees it as his historic destiny to save France. He only founded the party as his personal vehicle anyway
    If the Les Republicans primary process chooses Juppe, which it will, then he will have no choice.

    He's not going to start Les Republicans Part Deux with a third of his former party.
    He could get the backing of a smaller party or set up another party to back him, it is not uncommon in France
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,705
    rcs1000 said:

    Can we have a Euro referendum free thread at some point. I want to talk about the unelectability of Corbyn, the invisibility of Farron, and the hairlessness of Cameron. Anything, really, rather than EU Ref Thread Part 821

    * The new X-Files series 10 is weirdly compulsive
    * SNL skits provides a quick primer to US politics and Kate McKinnon and Jason Sudekis are very talented.
    * Laura Branigan died in 2004 of an aneurysm
    * BBC Three went online-only today
    * Osborne's decision to preannounce the April 1 stamp duty increases for BTL properties have caused an inflationary pulse in house prices
    * The Houses of Parliament complex (the Palace of Westminster) is not the original building but a Gothic Revival building built in the mid-nineteenth century after the original burnt down
    * There are no bad ballet movies. There are no bad submarine movies
    * Since 2000 we have discovered the Higgs boson, detected gravitational waves, innumerable extrasolar planets, and (at the microscopic level) demonstrated invisibility and a tractor beam

    Where would you like to start?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,813
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @Reuters: BREAKING: Former French President Sarkozy being investigated in campaign funding probe: Paris prosecutor

    Good news for Marine Le Pen
    Not really: it makes it much more likely Juppe is Les Republicans candidate, and he hammers her.

    Marine needs Sarkozy to be Les Republicans candidate, because that means that Hollande may beat out out Sarkozy in the first round, and in a Le Pen vs Hollande match-up she stands a chance.
    Sarkozy will run against Juppe whether he wins the official centre right nomination or not, he has that big an ego, so that still helps Le Pen and also makes a Hollande v Le Pen run-off more likely
    No he won't. The Les Republicans donors will not fund Sarkozy.
    Sarkozy has quite enough wealthy friends to fund himself and his brother works on Wall Street and is worth $100 million
    I'll offer you 3-1, up to £1,000 stake on two Les Republicans candidates if you're so sure
    There will only be one Led Republicans candidate but he will run regardless as Chirac and Balladur ran against each other in round 1 in 1995. I will bet £100 but no more than that
    So, the bet is "should Alain Juppe be the Les Republicans candidate, Sarkozy will run"

    Void if anyone else other than Juppe is Les Republicans candidate.

    Done
    Agreed
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,655

    Cyclefree said:
    The guy needs to seek some serious help. He is a total mess.
    He hasn't killed anyone. Unlike those who slaughtered 87 people in front of his eyes last November.

    I think the band deserve kudos for coming back to Paris to do this concert. Some of the relatives of those killed are going. I hope doing so brings them whatever comfort it can.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,263
    edited February 2016
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:
    The guy needs to seek some serious help. He is a total mess.
    He hasn't killed anyone. Unlike those who slaughtered 87 people in front of his eyes last November.

    I think the band deserve kudos for coming back to Paris to do this concert. Some of the relatives of those killed are going. I hope doing so brings them whatever comfort it can.
    You misunderstood my post. I was being serious in terms of the incident has really messed him up and he needs to seek help (unsurprisingly given what he witnessed). He has a really troubled past before all of this.

    I presume you were thinking I was talking about his NRA support or something. I wasn't.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2016
    New CNN S.Carolina poll, conducted mostly before the debate though, and the last one was from October so comparisons are useless:

    Trump 38
    Cruz 22
    Rubio 14
    Bush 10
    Carson 6
    Kasich 4

    Hillary 58
    Sanders 36

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/16/politics/south-carolina-poll-cnn-orc/index.html
  • PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,275
    surbiton said:

    Punters know better than pollsters.

    60 - 40.

    Do they? GE May 2015.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,623
    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Can we have a Euro referendum free thread at some point. I want to talk about the unelectability of Corbyn, the invisibility of Farron, and the hairlessness of Cameron. Anything, really, rather than EU Ref Thread Part 821

    * The new X-Files series 10 is weirdly compulsive
    * SNL skits provides a quick primer to US politics and Kate McKinnon and Jason Sudekis are very talented.
    * Laura Branigan died in 2004 of an aneurysm
    * BBC Three went online-only today
    * Osborne's decision to preannounce the April 1 stamp duty increases for BTL properties have caused an inflationary pulse in house prices
    * The Houses of Parliament complex (the Palace of Westminster) is not the original building but a Gothic Revival building built in the mid-nineteenth century after the original burnt down
    * There are no bad ballet movies. There are no bad submarine movies
    * Since 2000 we have discovered the Higgs boson, detected gravitational waves, innumerable extrasolar planets, and (at the microscopic level) demonstrated invisibility and a tractor beam

    Where would you like to start?
    Is UK life expectancy about to start heading downwards or is it a blip?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35589564

    Should be given just as serious consideration as Mid-Staffs or the weekend effect until we know one way or the other.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @TelePolitics: Priti Patel tells Tory MPs she plans on playing a 'leading role' in Brexit campaign https://t.co/xqx9lZa7RO
  • Prince William's subtle as a sledgehammer non-intervention intervention in the EU debate headline news on BBC News at Ten. Kensington Palace have issued a denial.

    Whoever came up with this totally f-ing stupid idea needs sacking.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,655

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:
    The guy needs to seek some serious help. He is a total mess.
    He hasn't killed anyone. Unlike those who slaughtered 87 people in front of his eyes last November.

    I think the band deserve kudos for coming back to Paris to do this concert. Some of the relatives of those killed are going. I hope doing so brings them whatever comfort it can.
    You misunderstood my post. I was being serious in terms of the incident has really messed him up and he needs to seek help (unsurprisingly given what he witnessed). He has a really troubled past before all of this.

    I presume you were thinking I was talking about his NRA support or something. I wasn't.

    Fair enough. Apologies. I can well imagine he - and the rest of the band - must be traumatised after what they witnessed.
  • viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Can we have a Euro referendum free thread at some point. I want to talk about the unelectability of Corbyn, the invisibility of Farron, and the hairlessness of Cameron. Anything, really, rather than EU Ref Thread Part 821

    * The new X-Files series 10 is weirdly compulsive
    * SNL skits provides a quick primer to US politics and Kate McKinnon and Jason Sudekis are very talented.
    * Laura Branigan died in 2004 of an aneurysm
    * BBC Three went online-only today
    * Osborne's decision to preannounce the April 1 stamp duty increases for BTL properties have caused an inflationary pulse in house prices
    * The Houses of Parliament complex (the Palace of Westminster) is not the original building but a Gothic Revival building built in the mid-nineteenth century after the original burnt down
    * There are no bad ballet movies. There are no bad submarine movies
    * Since 2000 we have discovered the Higgs boson, detected gravitational waves, innumerable extrasolar planets, and (at the microscopic level) demonstrated invisibility and a tractor beam

    Where would you like to start?
    Better than that: researchers in the US have trialled a new cancer cure involving the body's own cells being "trained" to attack cancer cells in the blood (for Leukaemia sufferers) that resulted in total remission of 90% of the terminally ill patients it was trialled on:

    Utterly fantastic news.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Pro_Rata said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Can we have a Euro referendum free thread at some point. I want to talk about the unelectability of Corbyn, the invisibility of Farron, and the hairlessness of Cameron. Anything, really, rather than EU Ref Thread Part 821

    * The new X-Files series 10 is weirdly compulsive
    * SNL skits provides a quick primer to US politics and Kate McKinnon and Jason Sudekis are very talented.
    * Laura Branigan died in 2004 of an aneurysm
    * BBC Three went online-only today
    * Osborne's decision to preannounce the April 1 stamp duty increases for BTL properties have caused an inflationary pulse in house prices
    * The Houses of Parliament complex (the Palace of Westminster) is not the original building but a Gothic Revival building built in the mid-nineteenth century after the original burnt down
    * There are no bad ballet movies. There are no bad submarine movies
    * Since 2000 we have discovered the Higgs boson, detected gravitational waves, innumerable extrasolar planets, and (at the microscopic level) demonstrated invisibility and a tractor beam

    Where would you like to start?
    Is UK life expectancy about to start heading downwards or is it a blip?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35589564

    Should be given just as serious consideration as Mid-Staffs or the weekend effect until we know one way or the other.
    Life expectancy is also in decline in the USA due to increasing death rates of middle aged:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/03/health/death-rate-middle-age-white-americans/
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,705
    Pro_Rata said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Can we have a Euro referendum free thread at some point. I want to talk about the unelectability of Corbyn, the invisibility of Farron, and the hairlessness of Cameron. Anything, really, rather than EU Ref Thread Part 821

    * The new X-Files series 10 is weirdly compulsive
    * SNL skits provides a quick primer to US politics and Kate McKinnon and Jason Sudekis are very talented.
    * Laura Branigan died in 2004 of an aneurysm
    * BBC Three went online-only today
    * Osborne's decision to preannounce the April 1 stamp duty increases for BTL properties have caused an inflationary pulse in house prices
    * The Houses of Parliament complex (the Palace of Westminster) is not the original building but a Gothic Revival building built in the mid-nineteenth century after the original burnt down
    * There are no bad ballet movies. There are no bad submarine movies
    * Since 2000 we have discovered the Higgs boson, detected gravitational waves, innumerable extrasolar planets, and (at the microscopic level) demonstrated invisibility and a tractor beam

    Where would you like to start?
    Is UK life expectancy about to start heading downwards or is it a blip?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35589564

    Should be given just as serious consideration as Mid-Staffs or the weekend effect until we know one way or the other.
    I don't know if an increase in the number of deaths automatically betokens a drop in life expectancy. But it doesn't look good.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,705

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Can we have a Euro referendum free thread at some point. I want to talk about the unelectability of Corbyn, the invisibility of Farron, and the hairlessness of Cameron. Anything, really, rather than EU Ref Thread Part 821

    * The new X-Files series 10 is weirdly compulsive
    * SNL skits provides a quick primer to US politics and Kate McKinnon and Jason Sudekis are very talented.
    * Laura Branigan died in 2004 of an aneurysm
    * BBC Three went online-only today
    * Osborne's decision to preannounce the April 1 stamp duty increases for BTL properties have caused an inflationary pulse in house prices
    * The Houses of Parliament complex (the Palace of Westminster) is not the original building but a Gothic Revival building built in the mid-nineteenth century after the original burnt down
    * There are no bad ballet movies. There are no bad submarine movies
    * Since 2000 we have discovered the Higgs boson, detected gravitational waves, innumerable extrasolar planets, and (at the microscopic level) demonstrated invisibility and a tractor beam

    Where would you like to start?
    Better than that: researchers in the US have trialled a new cancer cure involving the body's own cells being "trained" to attack cancer cells in the blood (for Leukaemia sufferers) that resulted in total remission of 90% of the terminally ill patients it was trialled on:

    Utterly fantastic news.
    And then some
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,263
    edited February 2016
    Pro_Rata said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Can we have a Euro referendum free thread at some point. I want to talk about the unelectability of Corbyn, the invisibility of Farron, and the hairlessness of Cameron. Anything, really, rather than EU Ref Thread Part 821

    * The new X-Files series 10 is weirdly compulsive
    * SNL skits provides a quick primer to US politics and Kate McKinnon and Jason Sudekis are very talented.
    * Laura Branigan died in 2004 of an aneurysm
    * BBC Three went online-only today
    * Osborne's decision to preannounce the April 1 stamp duty increases for BTL properties have caused an inflationary pulse in house prices
    * The Houses of Parliament complex (the Palace of Westminster) is not the original building but a Gothic Revival building built in the mid-nineteenth century after the original burnt down
    * There are no bad ballet movies. There are no bad submarine movies
    * Since 2000 we have discovered the Higgs boson, detected gravitational waves, innumerable extrasolar planets, and (at the microscopic level) demonstrated invisibility and a tractor beam

    Where would you like to start?
    Is UK life expectancy about to start heading downwards or is it a blip?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35589564

    Should be given just as serious consideration as Mid-Staffs or the weekend effect until we know one way or the other.
    Obviously the BBC are trying to tie it to "Cuts Kill" meme. It seems unlikely you would get such a sudden spike like that. They aren't even the final properly adjusted figures.

    It is also wise to take one year figures with a massive caution. The classic example is speed cameras. Labour government used to pump out how speed cameras reduced deaths, because deaths went down after their installation, but they were only installed at sites that had seen a rise in deaths...a proper statistical analysis showed it was all basically regression to the mean.

    That all been said it wouldn't surprise me if a reduction in quality of care for the elderly would result in some increase. The current state of affairs is terrible and has been building for a long long time, not just the past 6 years.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,303
    edited February 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=La4Dcd1aUcE

    Hast Du etwas Zeit für mich
    Dann singe ich ein Lied für Dich
    Von 99 Delegates
    Auf ihrem Weg zum Florida

    Version sung in The Queen's here :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ1TQYjCwYc
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,263
    edited February 2016
    Don't you know who I am.....

    Beatles legend filmed being turned away from party organised by rapper Tyga after the Grammy awards in Los Angeles

    Sir Paul was refused entry along with singer Beck and actor Woody Harrelson

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/12160602/How-VIP-do-we-gotta-get-Sir-Paul-McCartney-turned-away-from-Grammys-after-party.html
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    Prince William's subtle as a sledgehammer non-intervention intervention in the EU debate headline news on BBC News at Ten. Kensington Palace have issued a denial.

    Whoever came up with this totally f-ing stupid idea needs sacking.

    From what has been quoted by Guido it could also indicate he supports Brexit:
    “we have always sought to explore what is beyond the horizon”...

    ... praise for Britain’s “sense of mission and curiosity”
    http://order-order.com/2016/02/16/prince-william-backs-brexit/
  • Scott_P said:

    @TelePolitics: Priti Patel tells Tory MPs she plans on playing a 'leading role' in Brexit campaign https://t.co/xqx9lZa7RO

    I'm not holding my breath, but I'm interested to see what Liz Truss and Justine Greening do over the weekend too.

    Not much has been written about them.
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  • Scott_P said:
    Arf - Gordon Rayner for the Telegraph has "signalled his support" for writing utter bollox...
    The Telegraph had no writers.
  • MP_SE said:

    Prince William's subtle as a sledgehammer non-intervention intervention in the EU debate headline news on BBC News at Ten. Kensington Palace have issued a denial.

    Whoever came up with this totally f-ing stupid idea needs sacking.

    From what has been quoted by Guido it could also indicate he supports Brexit:
    “we have always sought to explore what is beyond the horizon”...

    ... praise for Britain’s “sense of mission and curiosity”
    http://order-order.com/2016/02/16/prince-william-backs-brexit/

    The timing was no accident, neither was the choice of words, or the location, or the fact he delivered a speech in the Foreign Office at a very politically charged time with Philip Hammond.

    This was an absolutely intentional, and planned, intervention - with some plausible deniability designed in by deliberately omitting the words "EU" and "Europe".

    And it was a very, very stupid (and desperate) idea.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Scott_P said:

    @TelePolitics: Priti Patel tells Tory MPs she plans on playing a 'leading role' in Brexit campaign https://t.co/xqx9lZa7RO

    If Boris wimps out, she'll be wonderfully placed for the leadership. Why would the party not go for someone on the right who Labour will find impossible to attack?

    Harriet Harman's head will explode.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,623

    Pro_Rata said:



    Is UK life expectancy about to start heading downwards or is it a blip?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35589564

    Should be given just as serious consideration as Mid-Staffs or the weekend effect until we know one way or the other.

    Obviously the BBC are trying to tie it to "Cuts Kill" meme. It seems unlikely you would get such a sudden spike like that. They aren't even the final properly adjusted figures.

    It is also wise to take one year figures with a massive caution. The classic example is speed cameras. Labour government used to pump out how speed cameras reduced deaths, because deaths went down after their installation, but they were only installed at sites that had seen a rise in deaths...a proper statistical analysis showed it was all basically regression to the mean.

    That all been said it wouldn't surprise me if a reduction in quality of care for the elderly would result in some increase. The current state of affairs is terrible and has been building for a long long time, not just the past 6 years.
    Agreed - though Cuts Kill is clearly a suspect, I would hesitate to lead with such an overtly political interpretation until the numbers are looked at. Taking it deadly seriously and urgently is a must though - a lot of the damage at Mid-Staffs came from the fact that the data analysis producing excess death numbers was a brand new method and the numbers were disbelieved for too long.

    I never got how the speed camera thing became such a statistical problem. Even with regression to mean, if some of those speed cameras were still doing some good at real danger spots, that should have quite sharply reduced the number of black spots overall. I remember Top Gear kebabing Steven Ladyman (I think) at the time, but I didn't entirely accept regression to mean as the full explanation simply from Clarkson saying so.
  • RoyalBlue said:

    Scott_P said:

    @TelePolitics: Priti Patel tells Tory MPs she plans on playing a 'leading role' in Brexit campaign https://t.co/xqx9lZa7RO

    If Boris wimps out, she'll be wonderfully placed for the leadership. Why would the party not go for someone on the right who Labour will find impossible to attack?

    Harriet Harman's head will explode.
    Isn't she too right wing for leadership? A pro-death penalty type will lose a lot of centrist voters like me.
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    edited February 2016
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