So 25 out 57 where shadow cabinet members if the chattering is correct, I know of the notion keep your friends close but your enemies closer but this is ridiculous, Corbyn has managed to appoint half of all his sworn enemies in the shadow cabinet.
Corbyn should do a reshuffle and get rid of them, there are many more Labour MP's who are more loyal and would cause less trouble to replace the troublemakers.
Quite right, Corbyn needs to sort out his cabinet !
So 25 out 57 where shadow cabinet members if the chattering is correct, I know of the notion keep your friends close but your enemies closer but this is ridiculous, Corbyn has managed to appoint half of all his sworn enemies in the shadow cabinet.
Corbyn should do a reshuffle and get rid of them, there are many more Labour MP's who are more loyal and would cause less trouble to replace the troublemakers.
Cause less trouble, maybe. But would also make the shadow cabinet worse. And that's saying something.
So 25 out 57 where shadow cabinet members if the chattering is correct, I know of the notion keep your friends close but your enemies closer but this is ridiculous, Corbyn has managed to appoint half of all his sworn enemies in the shadow cabinet.
Corbyn should do a reshuffle and get rid of them, there are many more Labour MP's who are more loyal and would cause less trouble to replace the troublemakers.
Corbyn should resign. That is the only honourable way out. Atlee's famous words come to mind
@DPJHodges: Hilary Benn doesn't just look like the leader of the opposition at the moment. He looks like the prime minister.
Can't help but agree with that. That was Churchillian.
And he turned around and personally addressed the Labour benches himself, appealing to them to support their sister socialist party, as if he really *was* the leader.
Simply astonishing.
I have just watched it. A fantastic speech. The ending was very good indeed. Passionate and right. That's a leader's speech. That is Labour - real Labour - at its very best. Good to see.
I watched it too and I disagreed with his speech in it's entirety, for this is a religious war not a political one. How can you have a someone on foreign affairs who knows nothing of foreign affairs ?
Funny that only just earlier today I had commented about what a great orator Foot was in an era of great orators and how we do not have his like in Parliament anymore. Very pleased to have been proved wrong by Hilary Benn tonight.
Richard, ICYMI, that John Curtice analysis that we were discussing earlier
Hell of a speech by Hilary Benn. I confess I'd not paid much attention to him until the last couple of weeks.
If he'd thrown his hat into the ring for the leadership election, things might have turned out very differently for Labour.
I'm not sure he has what it takes to be the next PM, but if Labour can get rid of Corbyn, then he could well be their John Smith/Michael Howard - the guy who does the hard work of putting the party back on the road to electability.
Corbyn should do a reshuffle and get rid of them, there are many more Labour MP's who are more loyal and would cause less trouble to replace the troublemakers.
That would seem sensible. Sure, it was a free vote and all that, but such a high proportion of the shadow cabinet being against is awkward, and he apparently has plenty of support on such a key issue among his MPs. It's not as though lack of experience is a concern, it would rule out the leader for a start, so best to go full Corbynista, really test it out.
Alan Johnson, Dan Jarvis, Pat McFadden, Margaret Beckett, Hillary Benn, my word Hillary Benn, and others - you did the Labour party proud today. You'll get nothing but abuse for it, but you spoke for the history of the party and you spoke for the only way that could ever possibly secure its future. If that's the final, dying cry of defiance before NickP and co destroy it all, that's some way to go. I am proud of you all and sad for what is to come.
I hope this doesn't get your hopes up, but Benn's speech was the sort of speech that topples leaders.
Agreed, I listened to it on the radio and I thought he made the most persuasive case for strikes of anyone, including Cameron
Absolutely agree, a remarkable speech.
Indeed, very strong
Benn = leaders speech? Leader of what? 67 MPs? Labour are stuffed... all thanks to the PLP nominating Corbyn. The madwoman and her candle was let out of the attic.
I suppose what struck me so powerfully in Benn's peroration was that he seemed to summon up the ghosts of the great figures from Labour's past.
Not just that. He made the moral case for Labour in a way that no-one else has. He challenged his Labour colleagues to be their best, to do their best and he did so without implying that those who disagreed were evil. That is seriously impressive. It was heartfelt, passionate and it was about what Labour could do for others not about himself. It was an outward looking speech and it reminded Labour colleagues that Labour fought fascists not got into bed with them.
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I suppose what struck me so powerfully in Benn's peroration was that he seemed to summon up the ghosts of the great figures from Labour's past.
Not just that. He made the moral case for Labour in a way that no-one else has. He challenged his Labour colleagues to be their best, to do their best and he did so without implying that those who disagreed were evil. That is seriously impressive. It was heartfelt, passionate and it was about what Labour could do for others not about himself. It was an outward looking speech and it reminded Labour colleagues that Labour fought fascists not got into bed with them.
The problem with that analysis is that Corbyn and McDonnell are too closely associated with perpetrators of terrorist acts - both on the streets of Britain and elsewhere - for there to be any other conclusion that they are supporters of such causes and thus evil.
I have no truck with any view other than that the top two jobs in the Labour Party are held by men who have supported terrorism throughout their political careers. And that is evil.
@DPJHodges: Hilary Benn doesn't just look like the leader of the opposition at the moment. He looks like the prime minister.
Can't help but agree with that. That was Churchillian.
And he turned around and personally addressed the Labour benches himself, appealing to them to support their sister socialist party, as if he really *was* the leader.
Simply astonishing.
I have just watched it. A fantastic speech. The ending was very good indeed. Passionate and right. That's a leader's speech. That is Labour - real Labour - at its very best. Good to see.
I watched it too and I disagreed with his speech in it's entirety, for this is a religious war not a political one. How can you have a someone on foreign affairs who knows nothing of foreign affairs ?
I didn't see it, but you can guarantee it was better than the rubbish Corbyn was spouting..
I'd love to see Corbyn reason with an IS terrorist with an AK47 pointed at him.
@christopherhope: I am at the entrance to the Members' Lobby. One Tory MP tells me as many as 15 Labour MP waverers were swayed by Hilary Benn's speech.
It was a fantastic speech, but surely MPs should have the ability to form rational, coherent opinions and have enough courage in their convictions to not turn 180% at the last minute.
That they might still be wavering after so much debate does not mean they don't have convictions, it is a balanced issue after all. Sometimes an excellent summary is what is needed to push people over one line or another, knowing they can prevaricate no further.
Benn's speech was passionate and brilliantly delivered, this cannot be denied. However, he did not add any additional information to the debate that has not already been out there for days. It was a plea to emotions, these decisions should not be made on emotions alone.
As it was the last speech before Hammond summing up, clearly it won't be made on emotions alone - why should he repeat information others have already provided?
Sorry if I was slightly unclear - I'm two bottles in. By 'the debate' I was referring to the wider debate that has been going on in the press and society for the past few weeks.
The very fact that you agree no additional information was provided seems to prove my point that those swayed late by his rhetoric were acting on an emotional impulse rather than making a logical decision.
Alan Johnson, Dan Jarvis, Pat McFadden, Margaret Beckett, Hillary Benn, my word Hillary Benn, and others - you did the Labour party proud today. You'll get nothing but abuse for it, but you spoke for the history of the party and you spoke for the only way that could ever possibly secure its future. If that's the final, dying cry of defiance before NickP and co destroy it all, that's some way to go. I am proud of you all and sad for what is to come.
I hope this doesn't get your hopes up, but Benn's speech was the sort of speech that topples leaders.
Agreed, I listened to it on the radio and I thought he made the most persuasive case for strikes of anyone, including Cameron
Absolutely agree, a remarkable speech.
Indeed, very strong
Benn = leaders speech? Leader of what? 67 MPs? Labour are stuffed... all thanks to the PLP nominating Corbyn. The madwoman and her candle was let out of the attic.
He is clearly a great parliamentarian, as Michael Howard was and also a figure of great experience, as Michael Howard was, ultimately the PLP will have to find a way to get him crowned without consulting the members as Tory MPs did in 2003
So 25 out 57 where shadow cabinet members if the chattering is correct, I know of the notion keep your friends close but your enemies closer but this is ridiculous, Corbyn has managed to appoint half of all his sworn enemies in the shadow cabinet.
Corbyn should do a reshuffle and get rid of them, there are many more Labour MP's who are more loyal and would cause less trouble to replace the troublemakers.
Corbyn should resign. That is the only honourable way out. Atlee's famous words come to mind
'Not up to it'.
Corbyn wouldn't be fit to clean Attlee's shoes - and I'm a Tory!
Not exactly a bold prediction. If he said they'd do it in 5 minutes he might be at risk of calling it wrong, but there's over a hundred Corbynite MPs, of course one is going to say something stupid in the next 24 hours. It might even be on Syria.
So 25 out 57 where shadow cabinet members if the chattering is correct, I know of the notion keep your friends close but your enemies closer but this is ridiculous, Corbyn has managed to appoint half of all his sworn enemies in the shadow cabinet.
Corbyn should do a reshuffle and get rid of them, there are many more Labour MP's who are more loyal and would cause less trouble to replace the troublemakers.
Cause less trouble, maybe. But would also make the shadow cabinet worse. And that's saying something.
He would had shadow cabinet ministers who would do their job instead of conspire daily to overthrow him. He would also deprive his enemies of a position of political strength, if Benn had been sacked before the vote he would have caused less trouble.
Cameron did the same when he sacked Davies from the shadow home office over Davies opposition to the 28 days detention that New Labour proposed, Cameron got the opportunity to sack his biggest rival early on.
@KateEMcCann: Andy Burnham first to make a beeline for Benn to congratulate him (even though they don't agree) many Labour MPs patting Benn on the back
Does Burnham vote No to please his current leader, or yes to please his next?
His brain is probably going to overheat trying to work out what the best move for him is.
What brain? Burnham is a cardboard cut-out.
How many times did Burnham flip flop during the debate?
Depends how many people talked to him during the debate
So we can have leader: Yvette Cooper Home Secretary: Alan Johnson Foreign Secretary: Hilary Benn Education Secretary: Tristram Hunt Defence: Dan Jarvis
If I was more of a betting man I would put money on Abbot, she has no idea why people have different views from her at all. When she was on the news with Dan Jarvis earlier she relied on Snow to marshal her arguments for her, she just huffed and looked confused.
So 25 out 57 where shadow cabinet members if the chattering is correct, I know of the notion keep your friends close but your enemies closer but this is ridiculous, Corbyn has managed to appoint half of all his sworn enemies in the shadow cabinet.
Corbyn should do a reshuffle and get rid of them, there are many more Labour MP's who are more loyal and would cause less trouble to replace the troublemakers.
Cause less trouble, maybe. But would also make the shadow cabinet worse. And that's saying something.
He would had shadow cabinet ministers who would do their job instead of conspire daily to overthrow him. He would also deprive his enemies of a position of political strength, if Benn had been sacked before the vote he would have caused less trouble.
Cameron did the same when he sacked Davies from the shadow home office over Davies opposition to the 28 days detention that New Labour proposed, Cameron got the opportunity to sack his biggest rival early on.
Davis resigned from shadow cabinet in 2008.
If you're spinning for Corbyn, at least get your facts right.
Incidentally the reaction to Benn's speech on Twitter isn't remotely similar to the reaction on here.
Incidentally most of the forecasts of the election result on Twitter were not remotely similar to the voting intentions of the electorate either!
I know, but I think the Twitterverse is a bit closer to the Labour membership in terms of attitudes than PB.
Maybe, but it would not do Labour any harm to lose some of its present membership back to the Greens and TUSC, just as it did not do the Tories much hard to lose some members to UKIP
@christopherhope: I am at the entrance to the Members' Lobby. One Tory MP tells me as many as 15 Labour MP waverers were swayed by Hilary Benn's speech.
It was a fantastic speech, but surely MPs should have the ability to form rational, coherent opinions and have enough courage in their convictions to not turn 180% at the last minute.
That they might still be wavering after so much debate does not mean they don't have convictions, it is a balanced issue after all. Sometimes an excellent summary is what is needed to push people over one line or another, knowing they can prevaricate no further.
Benn's speech was passionate and brilliantly delivered, this cannot be denied. However, he did not add any additional information to the debate that has not already been out there for days. It was a plea to emotions, these decisions should not be made on emotions alone.
As it was the last speech before Hammond summing up, clearly it won't be made on emotions alone - why should he repeat information others have already provided?
Sorry if I was slightly unclear - I'm two bottles in. By 'the debate' I was referring to the wider debate that has been going on in the press and society for the past few weeks.
The very fact that you agree no additional information was provided seems to prove my point that those swayed late by his rhetoric were acting on an emotional impulse rather than making a logical decision.
No it doesn't. It suggests that they were weighing things up until the last possible moment. A well done reiteration of the salient points may have led to them coming down on one side, but it would still be those points underpinning their decision, he just helped them make up their minds about how best to weigh up the competing arguments they'd heard. By your logic, anyone making a good speech should be ignored, because their delivery might convince others their facts are good when they are not.
So 25 out 57 where shadow cabinet members if the chattering is correct, I know of the notion keep your friends close but your enemies closer but this is ridiculous, Corbyn has managed to appoint half of all his sworn enemies in the shadow cabinet.
Corbyn should do a reshuffle and get rid of them, there are many more Labour MP's who are more loyal and would cause less trouble to replace the troublemakers.
Cause less trouble, maybe. But would also make the shadow cabinet worse. And that's saying something.
He would had shadow cabinet ministers who would do their job instead of conspire daily to overthrow him. He would also deprive his enemies of a position of political strength, if Benn had been sacked before the vote he would have caused less trouble.
Cameron did the same when he sacked Davies from the shadow home office over Davies opposition to the 28 days detention that New Labour proposed, Cameron got the opportunity to sack his biggest rival early on.
Davis resigned to fight a by-election on civil liberties, he was not sacked
@DPJHodges: Hilary Benn doesn't just look like the leader of the opposition at the moment. He looks like the prime minister.
Can't help but agree with that. That was Churchillian.
And he turned around and personally addressed the Labour benches himself, appealing to them to support their sister socialist party, as if he really *was* the leader.
Simply astonishing.
I have just watched it. A fantastic speech. The ending was very good indeed. Passionate and right. That's a leader's speech. That is Labour - real Labour - at its very best. Good to see.
I watched it too and I disagreed with his speech in it's entirety, for this is a religious war not a political one. How can you have a someone on foreign affairs who knows nothing of foreign affairs ?
I didn't see it, but you can guarantee it was better than the rubbish Corbyn was spouting..
I'd love to see Corbyn reason with an IS terrorist with an AK47 pointed at him.
It would be interesting to see that too.
However I'm making a forecast that in a year's time Corbyn would be asking for resignations of ministers or even the PM. Over a war effort going pear shaped or a terrorist attack that would instantly undermine the PM's case of "bombing Syria once a day keeps the terrorists away" reasoning.
I hope Benn will be sacked long before then.
Tonight the government has put ISIS on the driving seat, and it's fate is linked to what ISIS does.
Norman Lamb voted against airstrikes with Corbyn, Farron voted for airstrikes with Cameron, who was it saying the LDs made the wrong choice by not picking the sensible, centrist, moderate one instead of the radical Farron?
@christopherhope: I am at the entrance to the Members' Lobby. One Tory MP tells me as many as 15 Labour MP waverers were swayed by Hilary Benn's speech.
By your logic, anyone making a good speech should be ignored, because their delivery might convince others their facts are good when they are not.
So 25 out 57 where shadow cabinet members if the chattering is correct, I know of the notion keep your friends close but your enemies closer but this is ridiculous, Corbyn has managed to appoint half of all his sworn enemies in the shadow cabinet.
Corbyn should do a reshuffle and get rid of them, there are many more Labour MP's who are more loyal and would cause less trouble to replace the troublemakers.
Cause less trouble, maybe. But would also make the shadow cabinet worse. And that's saying something.
He would had shadow cabinet ministers who would do their job instead of conspire daily to overthrow him. He would also deprive his enemies of a position of political strength, if Benn had been sacked before the vote he would have caused less trouble.
Cameron did the same when he sacked Davies from the shadow home office over Davies opposition to the 28 days detention that New Labour proposed, Cameron got the opportunity to sack his biggest rival early on.
Davis resigned from shadow cabinet in 2008.
If you're spinning for Corbyn, at least get your facts right.
Cameron got the opportunity to sack him, get your facts right.
Just seen that speech. Who would have thought he had it in him? Cometh the hour, cometh the man.
Foot and Kinnock (and Benn Sr!) were accomplished orators. It didn't win them any elections.
Oh I don't think he'll be next leader. But that was his hour.
He is clearly in a minority in the PLP. I don't think the members would vote him in either.
In these dark days you take what you can get. Mr Benn articulated a sense of what Labour could and should be, but won't ever be with Corbyn and the likes of NickP ruling the roost. But just to hear it after so many bleak weeks was something very special. It won't change much, but it was beautiful to behold.
@DPJHodges: Hilary Benn doesn't just look like the leader of the opposition at the moment. He looks like the prime minister.
Can't help but agree with that. That was Churchillian.
And he turned around and personally addressed the Labour benches himself, appealing to them to support their sister socialist party, as if he really *was* the leader.
Simply astonishing.
I have just watched it. A fantastic speech. The ending was very good indeed. Passionate and right. That's a leader's speech. That is Labour - real Labour - at its very best. Good to see.
I watched it too and I disagreed with his speech in it's entirety, for this is a religious war not a political one. How can you have a someone on foreign affairs who knows nothing of foreign affairs ?
I didn't see it, but you can guarantee it was better than the rubbish Corbyn was spouting..
I'd love to see Corbyn reason with an IS terrorist with an AK47 pointed at him.
It would be interesting to see that too.
However I'm making a forecast that in a year's time Corbyn would be asking for resignations of ministers or even the PM. Over a war effort going pear shaped or a terrorist attack that would instantly undermine the PM's case of "bombing Syria once a day keeps the terrorists away" reasoning.
I hope Benn will be sacked long before then.
Tonight the government has put ISIS on the driving seat, and it's fate is linked to what ISIS does.
Incidentally the reaction to Benn's speech on Twitter isn't remotely similar to the reaction on here.
Incidentally most of the forecasts of the election result on Twitter were not remotely similar to the voting intentions of the electorate either!
I know, but I think the Twitterverse is a bit closer to the Labour membership in terms of attitudes than PB.
Maybe, but it would not do Labour any harm to lose some of its present membership back to the Greens and TUSC, just as it did not do the Tories much hard to lose some members to UKIP
How do you go about losing the majority of members? They are more like to drive the moderates out than be removed themselves.
Labour MP David Lammy has filed a complaint with the BBC over the lack of ethnic diversity among Question Time panelists, providing research claiming that more than 60% of shows in the last five years had no figures from a black, Asian or other minority ethnic background.
Just seen that speech. Who would have thought he had it in him? Cometh the hour, cometh the man.
Foot and Kinnock (and Benn Sr!) were accomplished orators. It didn't win them any elections.
Oh I don't think he'll be next leader. But that was his hour.
He is clearly in a minority in the PLP. I don't think the members would vote him in either.
In these dark days you take what you can get. Mr Benn articulated a sense of what Labour could and should be, but won't ever be with Corbyn and the likes of NickP ruling the roost. But just to hear it after so many bleak weeks was something very special. It won't change much, but it was beautiful to behold.
Do you support the airstrikes out of interest, SO ?
So we can have leader: Yvette Cooper Home Secretary: Alan Johnson Foreign Secretary: Hilary Benn Education Secretary: Tristram Hunt Defence: Dan Jarvis
Not a bad start...
I think Yvette's time has past, it would be like Portillo succeeding IDS, not going to happen
So 25 out 57 where shadow cabinet members if the chattering is correct, I know of the notion keep your friends close but your enemies closer but this is ridiculous, Corbyn has managed to appoint half of all his sworn enemies in the shadow cabinet.
Corbyn should do a reshuffle and get rid of them, there are many more Labour MP's who are more loyal and would cause less trouble to replace the troublemakers.
Cause less trouble, maybe. But would also make the shadow cabinet worse. And that's saying something.
He would had shadow cabinet ministers who would do their job instead of conspire daily to overthrow him. He would also deprive his enemies of a position of political strength, if Benn had been sacked before the vote he would have caused less trouble.
Cameron did the same when he sacked Davies from the shadow home office over Davies opposition to the 28 days detention that New Labour proposed, Cameron got the opportunity to sack his biggest rival early on.
Davis resigned from shadow cabinet in 2008.
If you're spinning for Corbyn, at least get your facts right.
Cameron got the opportunity to sack him, get your facts right.
He resigned when he resigned his seat. Cameron (pointedly, of course) chose not to keep his job open for him.
So we can have leader: Yvette Cooper Home Secretary: Alan Johnson Foreign Secretary: Hilary Benn Education Secretary: Tristram Hunt Defence: Dan Jarvis
Not a bad start...
I think Yvette's time has past, it would be like Portillo succeeding IDS, not going to happen
It was more a hypothetical cabinet than a proposal.
So 25 out 57 where shadow cabinet members if the chattering is correct, I know of the notion keep your friends close but your enemies closer but this is ridiculous, Corbyn has managed to appoint half of all his sworn enemies in the shadow cabinet.
Corbyn should do a reshuffle and get rid of them, there are many more Labour MP's who are more loyal and would cause less trouble to replace the troublemakers.
Cause less trouble, maybe. But would also make the shadow cabinet worse. And that's saying something.
He would had shadow cabinet ministers who would do their job instead of conspire daily to overthrow him. He would also deprive his enemies of a position of political strength, if Benn had been sacked before the vote he would have caused less trouble.
Cameron did the same when he sacked Davies from the shadow home office over Davies opposition to the 28 days detention that New Labour proposed, Cameron got the opportunity to sack his biggest rival early on.
Davis resigned from shadow cabinet in 2008.
If you're spinning for Corbyn, at least get your facts right.
Cameron got the opportunity to sack him, get your facts right.
So 25 out 57 where shadow cabinet members if the chattering is correct, I know of the notion keep your friends close but your enemies closer but this is ridiculous, Corbyn has managed to appoint half of all his sworn enemies in the shadow cabinet.
Corbyn should do a reshuffle and get rid of them, there are many more Labour MP's who are more loyal and would cause less trouble to replace the troublemakers.
Cause less trouble, maybe. But would also make the shadow cabinet worse. And that's saying something.
He would had shadow cabinet ministers who would do their job instead of conspire daily to overthrow him. He would also deprive his enemies of a position of political strength, if Benn had been sacked before the vote he would have caused less trouble.
Cameron did the same when he sacked Davies from the shadow home office over Davies opposition to the 28 days detention that New Labour proposed, Cameron got the opportunity to sack his biggest rival early on.
Davis resigned from shadow cabinet in 2008.
If you're spinning for Corbyn, at least get your facts right.
Cameron got the opportunity to sack him, get your facts right.
Rewriting history now are you?
Davis resigned from shadow cabinet and fought a by election.
@DPJHodges: Hilary Benn doesn't just look like the leader of the opposition at the moment. He looks like the prime minister.
Can't help but agree with that. That was Churchillian.
And he turned around and personally addressed the Labour benches himself, appealing to them to support their sister socialist party, as if he really *was* the leader.
Simply astonishing.
I have just watched it. A fantastic speech. The ending was very good indeed. Passionate and right. That's a leader's speech. That is Labour - real Labour - at its very best. Good to see.
I watched it too and I disagreed with his speech in it's entirety, for this is a religious war not a political one. How can you have a someone on foreign affairs who knows nothing of foreign affairs ?
I didn't see it, but you can guarantee it was better than the rubbish Corbyn was spouting..
I'd love to see Corbyn reason with an IS terrorist with an AK47 pointed at him.
It would be interesting to see that too.
However I'm making a forecast that in a year's time Corbyn would be asking for resignations of ministers or even the PM. Over a war effort going pear shaped or a terrorist attack that would instantly undermine the PM's case of "bombing Syria once a day keeps the terrorists away" reasoning.
I hope Benn will be sacked long before then.
Tonight the government has put ISIS on the driving seat, and it's fate is linked to what ISIS does.
Rubbish - it is the right thing to do
And the cliche answer: "It is the stupid thing to do."
Never do things because they are right, do them because they work.
The PM declared it was the right thing to do, and now he's hostage to the fortunes and plans of ISIS that he can't control.
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http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/4e6d04ee-df49-4789-a54a-42f2c7be53b2
https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/672102792945934336
Just one question.
How you doing that then?
'Not up to it'.
How can you have a someone on foreign affairs who knows nothing of foreign affairs ?
Thanks TSE. Got wrapped up in the debate so wasn't paying much attention to PB (please don't ban me for treason!!!)
If he'd thrown his hat into the ring for the leadership election, things might have turned out very differently for Labour.
I'm not sure he has what it takes to be the next PM, but if Labour can get rid of Corbyn, then he could well be their John Smith/Michael Howard - the guy who does the hard work of putting the party back on the road to electability.
Ukip's @DouglasCarswell voted for air strikes #SyriaVote
@JasonGroves1: Corbyn aide says he has, ahem, 'demonstrated his leadership + increased his authority'
Leader of what? 67 MPs?
Labour are stuffed... all thanks to the PLP nominating Corbyn. The madwoman and her candle was let out of the attic.
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Corbyn aide says he has, ahem, 'demonstrated his leadership + increased his authority'
Hillary Benn now 7/2 to be next Labour leader after Jeremy Corbyn
http://pdy.pr/dCMMEk
Hilary Benn takes over as favourite to be next Labour leader.
http://ow.ly/Vp4DB
And sounds like about 10 Lab MPs abstained. 152 against bombing ISIL, 67 for bombing ISIL
I have no truck with any view other than that the top two jobs in the Labour Party are held by men who have supported terrorism throughout their political careers. And that is evil.
I'd love to see Corbyn reason with an IS terrorist with an AK47 pointed at him.
A chunk must have abstained.
Wait for precise numbers!
The very fact that you agree no additional information was provided seems to prove my point that those swayed late by his rhetoric were acting on an emotional impulse rather than making a logical decision.
https://www.facebook.com/LabourTristram/posts/1668739573373105
He would also deprive his enemies of a position of political strength, if Benn had been sacked before the vote he would have caused less trouble.
Cameron did the same when he sacked Davies from the shadow home office over Davies opposition to the 28 days detention that New Labour proposed, Cameron got the opportunity to sack his biggest rival early on.
Primary school maths which should be done by a 5 year old told us 57 had to be wrong!
3 or 6 might be nearer the mark......
Home Secretary: Alan Johnson
Foreign Secretary: Hilary Benn
Education Secretary: Tristram Hunt
Defence: Dan Jarvis
Not a bad start...
If you're spinning for Corbyn, at least get your facts right.
Gargantuan delusion
However I'm making a forecast that in a year's time Corbyn would be asking for resignations of ministers or even the PM. Over a war effort going pear shaped or a terrorist attack that would instantly undermine the PM's case of "bombing Syria once a day keeps the terrorists away" reasoning.
I hope Benn will be sacked long before then.
Tonight the government has put ISIS on the driving seat, and it's fate is linked to what ISIS does.
https://twitter.com/normanlamb/status/672165174502137857
And the convention that the House of Commons doesn't applaud is clearly past.
But I must now abed, I feel completely sick.
Edit: Not at the debate or outcome I hasten to add, just coincidence.
Given he only had the full support of about 15 MPs at the time of his election, he's probably right!
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/dec/02/david-lammy-complaint-question-time-lack-ethnic-diversity
Or do you have money on this one as well...
But I guess the confusion is rather the point...
Davis resigned from shadow cabinet and fought a by election.
"It is the stupid thing to do."
Never do things because they are right, do them because they work.
The PM declared it was the right thing to do, and now he's hostage to the fortunes and plans of ISIS that he can't control.