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  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JGForsyth: I think that is the finest speech I've ever heard in the Commons, and delivered under such pressure
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited December 2015
    Burnham is probably thinking "Who is this chap"
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @KateEMcCann: As Benn sat down following speech he plonked himself down on top of Corbyn, who was forced to shift over sharpish, face like furious thunder
  • Where's Dave?
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    On the front bench
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,893

    Clear the benches, no clapping allowed you tory bastards.

    Allowed under extraordinary circumstances. A maiden speech of one of the 56 does not count ;)
  • Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Hilary Benn doesn't just look like the leader of the opposition at the moment. He looks like the prime minister.

    Can't help but agree with that. That was Churchillian.

    And he turned around and personally addressed the Labour benches himself, appealing to them to support their sister socialist party, as if he really *was* the leader.

    Simply astonishing.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,994
    That was brilliant from Hilary. Next PM.
  • I almost feel sorry I voted for Jeremy back in September - sorry for Jeremy himself :)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @jessphillips: Hilary Benn, made me proud to be Labour Tonight. He was amazing. If he was the foreign secretary I know he would have a plan I could trust

    @ayestotheright: .@hilarybenn just demolished Corbyn's claims to be "true" Labour
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300

    That was brilliant from Hilary. Next PM.

    Plenty of tweets think he will be taking over from Cameron, as next Tory PM.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Hilary Benn doesn't just look like the leader of the opposition at the moment. He looks like the prime minister.

    Can't help but agree with that. That was Churchillian.

    And he turned around and personally addressed the Labour benches himself, appealing to them to support their sister socialist party, as if he really *was* the leader.

    Simply astonishing.
    The last couple of minutes when he addressed his own party made my hair stand on end
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulwaugh: In my 18 years of covering Parliament, I've seen few speeches as impressive as Hilary Benn's - + never seen a crossparty reaction like that
  • Scott_P said:

    @KateEMcCann: As Benn sat down following speech he plonked himself down on top of Corbyn, who was forced to shift over sharpish, face like furious thunder

    We have a contender?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Scott_P said:

    @paulwaugh: Labour peer Lord Rooker has really gone for it. (via @guardian liveblog)
    https://t.co/hrpfUGPOjs https://t.co/Amcau3EHGd

    Very powerful intervention, more power to his elbow.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited December 2015
    I would happily vote for Benn as Leader tomorrow, even as someone opposed to airstrikes.
  • Mio dio, that was some speech from Benn. Poor old Hammond is dying out there, tough to follow Hilary though.
  • Hammond on the other hand is showing why he will never be leader, he started with a partisan dig and is undoing the good work of Hilary Benn the longer he goes on.
  • Piers ‏@Its_Piers 3m3 minutes ago
    Hilary Benn should be de-selected. Tory in disguise. Entire Tory bench claps his speech. Disgusting excuse of a man.

    Well that didn't take long...
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,602
    Proud of Benn. Real Labour at last. Forgot what that felt like.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Early contender for biggest arse of the night

    @AngusMacNeilSNP: Tonight we saw Labour being applauded by the Tories in the #Commons on #SyriaVote
  • Wanderer said:

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Hilary Benn doesn't just look like the leader of the opposition at the moment. He looks like the prime minister.

    Can't help but agree with that. That was Churchillian.

    And he turned around and personally addressed the Labour benches himself, appealing to them to support their sister socialist party, as if he really *was* the leader.

    Simply astonishing.
    The last couple of minutes when he addressed his own party made my hair stand on end
    It was exceptional. He's obviously been preparing for this moment.

    That won't be an accident.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,602

    Hammond on the other hand is showing why he will never be leader, he started with a partisan dig and is undoing the good work of Hilary Benn the longer he goes on.

    Yes. He should shut up.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Nah. One speech does not a leader make.

  • Hammond on the other hand is showing why he will never be leader, he started with a partisan dig and is undoing the good work of Hilary Benn the longer he goes on.

    He should have just congratulated Benn on a very good speech, pointed out that he had nothing more to add and then sat back down.
  • Burnham is probably thinking "Who is this chap"

    Who?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Ha!

    @ArtyBagger: Blimey. Hammond following that speech by Hilary Benn is like Peter Andre coming on after Prince.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @FraserNelson: LISTEN: Hilary Benn's superb speech on Syria, now on the @spectator's live blog: https://t.co/btvInJNAxp https://t.co/znqE2aLrU7
  • Jonathan said:

    Hammond on the other hand is showing why he will never be leader, he started with a partisan dig and is undoing the good work of Hilary Benn the longer he goes on.

    Yes. He should shut up.
    What Hammond should have said is

    "Hilary Benn made an unarguable case for intervention, and I have nothing further to add to that"
  • Hammond on the other hand is showing why he will never be leader, he started with a partisan dig and is undoing the good work of Hilary Benn the longer he goes on.

    Sorry - what was the partisan dig? seemed to have missed the start of Hammond's speech.
  • Jonathan said:

    Hammond on the other hand is showing why he will never be leader, he started with a partisan dig and is undoing the good work of Hilary Benn the longer he goes on.

    Yes. He should shut up.
    Even the Tory benches are looking uncomfortable.

    Sit down.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    I almost feel sorry I voted for Jeremy back in September - sorry for Jeremy himself :)

    Oh dear, Sunil, you must now repent of this dark deed. Little did you know that you were helping to destroy the Labour Party.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Compare that speech to "Fred sent me an e-mail about his tax credits"
  • DanielDaniel Posts: 160
    Labour rebels now have a candidate. If ol' JC fires Hilary, all the MP's the mob bullied will rally to him.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,114
    HYUFD must be happy!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,979
    I've been out for several hours - how many Tory rebels are expected?
  • HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    This been posted yet?;
    https://twitter.com/Lauren_Crowley/status/672132696760545280

    Abbot is an awesome weapon for the Tories.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    edited December 2015
    Blimey, not often left impressed by any speech in the commons, but Benn was superb. You'd forgive me for thinking he was labour leader.
  • Mogadon Hammond.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,072
    Jonathan said:

    Proud of Benn. Real Labour at last. Forgot what that felt like.

    Yes, good to know it's still out there in places.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    kle4 said:

    I've been out for several hours - how many Tory rebels are expected?

    12 at the last count I think, but Benn may have persuaded some of them to switch
  • kle4 said:

    I've been out for several hours - how many Tory rebels are expected?

    12 to 20
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,602
    Daniel said:

    Labour rebels now have a candidate. If ol' JC fires Hilary, all the MP's the mob bullied will rally to him.

    Agree. I haven't felt that way about a Labour speech in years.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Scott_P said:

    @paulwaugh: In my 18 years of covering Parliament, I've seen few speeches as impressive as Hilary Benn's - + never seen a crossparty reaction like that

    Feck, recording 2 progs on skybox and missed it. From the cross party comments on here sounds very impressive.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,751
    edited December 2015
    I said that he had to deliver and he did. The key number is 116. If fewer than that support Corbyn a leadership challenge is on.

    Labour, please don't fluff this.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    Jonathan said:

    Hammond on the other hand is showing why he will never be leader, he started with a partisan dig and is undoing the good work of Hilary Benn the longer he goes on.

    Yes. He should shut up.
    What Hammond should have said is

    "Hilary Benn made an unarguable case for intervention, and I have nothing further to add to that"
    He should certainly have thought on his feet and cut the partisan point from his speech.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,072

    Nah. One speech does not a leader make.

    You're right, it doesn't; but it does give a lead and it shows people there is an alternative.
  • Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    @paulwaugh: In my 18 years of covering Parliament, I've seen few speeches as impressive as Hilary Benn's - + never seen a crossparty reaction like that

    Feck, recording 2 progs on skybox and missed it. From the cross party comments on here sounds very impressive.
    @FraserNelson: LISTEN: Hilary Benn's superb speech on Syria, now on the @spectator's live blog: https://t.co/btvInJNAxp https://t.co/znqE2aLrU7 might work?
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    @paulwaugh: In my 18 years of covering Parliament, I've seen few speeches as impressive as Hilary Benn's - + never seen a crossparty reaction like that

    Feck, recording 2 progs on skybox and missed it. From the cross party comments on here sounds very impressive.
    Listen here

    http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/12/audio-coverage-of-the-syria-airstrikes-debate-in-the-house-of-commons/
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,893
    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    @paulwaugh: In my 18 years of covering Parliament, I've seen few speeches as impressive as Hilary Benn's - + never seen a crossparty reaction like that

    Feck, recording 2 progs on skybox and missed it. From the cross party comments on here sounds very impressive.
    Be sure to check it on iplayer, or the parliament website!
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    For those like me who missed Benn's speech. Here is a link.

    http://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/4e6d04ee-df49-4789-a54a-42f2c7be53b2
  • Jonathan said:

    Hammond on the other hand is showing why he will never be leader, he started with a partisan dig and is undoing the good work of Hilary Benn the longer he goes on.

    Yes. He should shut up.
    What Hammond should have said is

    "Hilary Benn made an unarguable case for intervention, and I have nothing further to add to that"
    Oh, but Philip has. So so much.

    This reminds me of airplane where Ted Striker leads passenger after passenger to attempt taking their own life after regaling them with his past love life.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,751
    Hammond worthy and dull. I really don't see what people see in him. Good cabinet material but no glitter or pizazz. No way he is the next leader.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 1m1 minute ago
    This makes it even more impressive: there's no text of Hilary Benn's speech - because he wrote most of it on the frontbench.
  • DavidL said:

    Hammond worthy and dull. I really don't see what people see in him. Good cabinet material but no glitter or pizazz. No way he is the next leader.

    He should have been chancellor. He is solid bean counter, it is what he is good at. Never leader material.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,994
    A few weeks ago I said that an inspirational candidate of the soft left could beat Corbyn in a leadership election. I doubted whether Benn had the necessary star quality. Tonight he proved me wrong. He will lead Labour by next autumn, if he wants it.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    I suppose what struck me so powerfully in Benn's peroration was that he seemed to summon up the ghosts of the great figures from Labour's past.
  • HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    Jonathan said:

    Daniel said:

    Labour rebels now have a candidate. If ol' JC fires Hilary, all the MP's the mob bullied will rally to him.

    Agree. I haven't felt that way about a Labour speech in years.
    Adversity can bring out the best in politicians, Corbyn's incompetence may force Labour to evolve.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    DavidL said:

    Hammond worthy and dull. I really don't see what people see in him. Good cabinet material but no glitter or pizazz. No way he is the next leader.

    He is a duller version of Theresa May.

    Which says something since May is not exactly the Lady Gaga Of Politics herself.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @AdamBienkov: Andy Burnham tells BBC he won't vote for Syrian air strikes today but may change his mind in the future. I give him a few minutes #syriavote

    Didn't he say he would vote for it if there was a UN resolution?
    That was last week....
  • @Pulpstar

    Last price matched: 3!!!!!!

    Not mine though.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,781
    edited December 2015
    So the question isn't whether or not Cameron gets a majority, it is how much Benn speech has summoned up some backbone in the Labour ranks.

    First up, the amendment.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,893
    DavidL said:

    Hammond worthy and dull. I really don't see what people see in him. Good cabinet material but no glitter or pizazz. No way he is the next leader.

    Safe pair of hands, a good match for foreign sec.
    The amendment is against the government position, right?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,454

    A few weeks ago I said that an inspirational candidate of the soft left could beat Corbyn in a leadership election. I doubted whether Benn had the necessary star quality. Tonight he proved me wrong. He will lead Labour by next autumn, if he wants it.

    Tom Watson won't be a happy bunny. He wants the Precious for himself....
  • RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    Hammond worthy and dull. I really don't see what people see in him. Good cabinet material but no glitter or pizazz. No way he is the next leader.

    Safe pair of hands, a good match for foreign sec.
    The amendment is against the government position, right?
    Yes.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @KateEMcCann: Andy Burnham first to make a beeline for Benn to congratulate him (even though they don't agree) many Labour MPs patting Benn on the back

    Does Burnham vote No to please his current leader, or yes to please his next?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,751
    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    Hammond worthy and dull. I really don't see what people see in him. Good cabinet material but no glitter or pizazz. No way he is the next leader.

    Safe pair of hands, a good match for foreign sec.
    The amendment is against the government position, right?
    Yes
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    'Real Labour at last'

    No - you got that with Corbyn. Posh Hampstead whigs are not real Labour.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,781
    edited December 2015
    Scott_P said:

    @KateEMcCann: Andy Burnham first to make a beeline for Benn to congratulate him (even though they don't agree) many Labour MPs patting Benn on the back

    Does Burnham vote No to please his current leader, or yes to please his next?

    His brain is probably going to overheat trying to work out what the best move for him is.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    So the question isn't whether or not Cameron gets a majority, it is how much Benn speech has summoned up some backbone in the Labour ranks.

    First up, the amendment.

    If it's big enough, Corbyn will be in imminent trouble.
  • I'm convinced that Hilary Benn is a Conservative MP, sent undercover into Labour to take them over from the inside. I mean, has he ever been seen in the same room as Jacob Rees-Mogg?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058

    @Pulpstar

    Last price matched: 3!!!!!!

    Not mine though.

    £2 for me at 3.5 :D
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Gosh, Benn's speech was simply spine tingling, just on the basis of that, even as a Conservative card holder, I'd easily opt for him over Cameron.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,751
    Chameleon said:

    Gosh, Benn's speech was simply spine tingling, just on the basis of that, even as a Conservative card holder, I'd easily opt for him over Cameron.

    Listening to it again. Just remarkable.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,114
    Just watching the Benn speech - brilliant. Stunning.

    He'll either be leader or on the back-benches within the week.

    For the sake of Britain, I'd like it to be the former.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    DavidL said:

    Chameleon said:

    Gosh, Benn's speech was simply spine tingling, just on the basis of that, even as a Conservative card holder, I'd easily opt for him over Cameron.

    Listening to it again. Just remarkable.
    Fortunately, now that he has made a case for war so well, the £3 members wont be voting for him any time soon. Stupendously good speech.
  • If the govt wins, hope the pro- side have the good sense not to cheer. Can't think of anything more inappropriate.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693

    @Pulpstar

    Last price matched: 3!!!!!!

    Not mine though.

    Hmm.

    Frustratingly, someone hovered up the 50/1 on the next PM market a few seconds before I got the chance.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,751
    Mortimer said:

    Just watching the Benn speech - brilliant. Stunning.

    He'll either be leader or on the back-benches within the week.

    For the sake of Britain, I'd like it to be the former.

    Likewise.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,979

    If the govt wins, hope the pro- side have the good sense not to cheer. Can't think of anything more inappropriate.

    The anti war side cheering 14 months ago?
  • Jezza's mates the SWP nutters now.
  • Alan Johnson, Dan Jarvis, Pat McFadden, Margaret Beckett, Hillary Benn, my word Hillary Benn, and others - you did the Labour party proud today. You'll get nothing but abuse for it, but you spoke for the history of the party and you spoke for the only way that could ever possibly secure its future. If that's the final, dying cry of defiance before NickP and co destroy it all, that's some way to go. I am proud of you all and sad for what is to come.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Scott_P said:

    @FraserNelson: LISTEN: Hilary Benn's superb speech on Syria, now on the @spectator's live blog: https://t.co/btvInJNAxp https://t.co/znqE2aLrU7

    Very, very impressive.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    DavidL said:

    Chameleon said:

    Gosh, Benn's speech was simply spine tingling, just on the basis of that, even as a Conservative card holder, I'd easily opt for him over Cameron.

    Listening to it again. Just remarkable.

    It was very good. Took all the key points, made the logical arguments unarguable to a reasonable person, with just the right level of passion/emotion.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @christopherhope: I am at the entrance to the Members' Lobby. One Tory MP tells me as many as 15 Labour MP waverers were swayed by Hilary Benn's speech.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,114
    21:39 into the speech Osborne looks like he realises that Benn will be the next leader.

    I'm not sure he is massively happy about that...
  • kle4 said:

    If the govt wins, hope the pro- side have the good sense not to cheer. Can't think of anything more inappropriate.

    The anti war side cheering 14 months ago?
    A fair point, but not quite as bad in my view. If the govt wins British armed forces will kill people as a direct result. No matter how necessary that might be, it shouldn't be cheered.
  • Alan Johnson, Dan Jarvis, Pat McFadden, Margaret Beckett, Hillary Benn, my word Hillary Benn, and others - you did the Labour party proud today. You'll get nothing but abuse for it, but you spoke for the history of the party and you spoke for the only way that could ever possibly secure its future. If that's the final, dying cry of defiance before NickP and co destroy it all, that's some way to go. I am proud of you all and sad for what is to come.

    I hope this doesn't get your hopes up, but Benn's speech was the sort of speech that topples leaders.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,979
    A good speech by Benn, although in fairness I've only had a chance to see a few of the others. Good delivery, whatever one thought of the arguments.
  • BTW, if the amendment falls will the House divide on the main question or is it assumed to be carried?
  • HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    Mortimer said:

    Just watching the Benn speech - brilliant. Stunning.

    He'll either be leader or on the back-benches within the week.

    For the sake of Britain, I'd like it to be the former.

    I hope so as well.
  • Scott_P said:

    @christopherhope: I am at the entrance to the Members' Lobby. One Tory MP tells me as many as 15 Labour MP waverers were swayed by Hilary Benn's speech.

    It was a fantastic speech, but surely MPs should have the ability to form rational, coherent opinions and have enough courage in their convictions to not turn 180% at the last minute.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    BTW, if the amendment falls will the House divide on the main question or is it assumed to be carried?

    Dividing now
  • 179. Wow.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,751
    211-56-1 green, 1 Lib Dem. Crobyn must have got nearly 150. Shameful and sad.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    Alan Johnson, Dan Jarvis, Pat McFadden, Margaret Beckett, Hillary Benn, my word Hillary Benn, and others - you did the Labour party proud today. You'll get nothing but abuse for it, but you spoke for the history of the party and you spoke for the only way that could ever possibly secure its future. If that's the final, dying cry of defiance before NickP and co destroy it all, that's some way to go. I am proud of you all and sad for what is to come.

    I hope this doesn't get your hopes up, but Benn's speech was the sort of speech that topples leaders.
    In any normal party, yes. But how do you remove the leader of the Labour Party?
  • 179 - Blair's majority in 1997 :)
  • Time for the main event....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,439
    edited December 2015
    Chameleon said:

    Alan Johnson, Dan Jarvis, Pat McFadden, Margaret Beckett, Hillary Benn, my word Hillary Benn, and others - you did the Labour party proud today. You'll get nothing but abuse for it, but you spoke for the history of the party and you spoke for the only way that could ever possibly secure its future. If that's the final, dying cry of defiance before NickP and co destroy it all, that's some way to go. I am proud of you all and sad for what is to come.

    I hope this doesn't get your hopes up, but Benn's speech was the sort of speech that topples leaders.
    In any normal party, yes. But how do you remove the leader of the Labour Party?
    I know, but you now know who the anti-Corbynite movement will rally behind.

    That's an important step
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