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  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626

    Seven down. You flaming galahs

    Aussies collapsing like the Pakistanis in December 1971?
    Like a cheap deck-chair...
    They are going down easier and quicker than a cheap hooker on Lord Sewel.

    You can all thank me later for that image.
    Shudder...

    The score card is not pretty reading. Only Rogers with anything worth note:
    CJL Rogers not out 50
    DA Warner lbw b Anderson 2
    SPD Smith c Cook b Finn 7
    MJ Clarke* b Finn 10
    AC Voges c †Buttler b Anderson 16
    MR Marsh c †Buttler b Anderson 0
    PM Nevill† b Anderson 2
    VMG Johnson c Stokes b Anderson 3
    MA Starc not out 1
    Extras (lb 7, nb 1) 8

    Extras contributed more to the total than 5 of the batsmen
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    AndyJS said:

    "I do feel sympathy for those who are so desperate for a life in the UK that they risk their own lives."

    A life in France or Italy can't be that bad for these migrants. They must think the streets of London are paved with gold in order to risk their lives to go from France to the UK.

    They are deluded - but to risk jumping on a moving train/lorry, you aren't in your right mind.

    I do have sympathy for them. But they have no right to try enter the UK illegally. So my sympathy is limited
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478

    Toms said:

    watford30 said:

    Toms said:

    Jonathan said:

    Interesting chart comparing what's missing between the Labour and Tory top 10.

    Tory voters concerned about the EU and an ageing population.
    Labour voters concerned about poverty/inequality and low pay.

    Yes. That's why I suggested a little while ago that Labour might consider changing its name, incorporating the word "social" to emphasize that they are not driven religiously by pure egoism, and also perhaps to move a bit from the old union driven class split.
    One Nation Socialists?
    Something like that--the "one nation" may have potential---but does the word "socialist" conjure up the word "commie"?
    No, will lead to confusion with the Nationalist Socialists of the SNP
    Hmmm It's tricky.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,986

    I thought we were supposed to have seen the back of the rain for the day... Aleem Dar don't like the rain.

    He's from Lahore it is around 35 degrees in Lahore at this time of the year.

    And this is the rainy season in Pakistan
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    Ok, so when Cameron has a love-in with a terrorist enabler it's 'guff' but when Corbyn uses the traditional term 'friends' during attempts to engender peace talks he is a mad Islamist extremist. PB Tory world is fascinating place.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Sean_F said:

    watford30 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Roger said:

    Interesting post 'Ears'

    A moving story and a typical one. A shame that our Prime Minister's only comment on the disaster happening in Calais is to say how tragic it is that some Britons are having their holiday disturbed. Whatever shortcomings Corbyn might have he's at least known to have some compassion.

    What's wrong with them staying in France or Italy? They have socialist governments, after all.

    We need major action and need it now. Ignore EU law, just make it happen. Restore a secure perimeter and work with the French to get Sangatte camp destroyed. Without that primary focus, the gangs would not have an easy route through and the situation would start to be resolved.
    Numbers there have hit a critical mass. 500 pose no threat; 000's can and do overwhelm existing security.
    Start using live rounds if necessary.
    :+1:
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    taffys said:

    Any moment now TSE will be along with an analogy from antiquity...

    Actually we were posting the results on PB as wickets fell to try and avoid him the need to complete his constitutionals.

    Rumour has it he has now modernised with a 48" widescreen in the bathroom?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    Sean_F said:

    watford30 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Roger said:

    Interesting post 'Ears'

    A moving story and a typical one. A shame that our Prime Minister's only comment on the disaster happening in Calais is to say how tragic it is that some Britons are having their holiday disturbed. Whatever shortcomings Corbyn might have he's at least known to have some compassion.

    What's wrong with them staying in France or Italy? They have socialist governments, after all.

    We need major action and need it now. Ignore EU law, just make it happen. Restore a secure perimeter and work with the French to get Sangatte camp destroyed. Without that primary focus, the gangs would not have an easy route through and the situation would start to be resolved.
    Numbers there have hit a critical mass. 500 pose no threat; 000's can and do overwhelm existing security.
    Start using live rounds if necessary.
    Maybe a tad too far - not unless they start using firearms too.

    I'd certainly not rule out water cannon or even rubber low-velocity bullets or tasers and, in fact, I'd be moving such assets there now.

    I also wouldn't rule out uniformed territorial army troops as aid to the civil power. Partly for reinforcement and partly because it would send a clear message.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,547
    JWisemann said:

    Ok, so when Cameron has a love-in with a terrorist enabler it's 'guff' but when Corbyn uses the traditional term 'friends' during attempts to engender peace talks he is a mad Islamist extremist. PB Tory world is fascinating place.

    Corbyn advocated surrender to people who murdered British citizens.
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    Of course, we know that the Tories were giving invaluable actual aid to Pol Pot and Saddam Hussein around the time Corbyn first entered parliament, rather than just using diplomatic words to describe small fry like Hezbollah.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    AndyJS said:

    "I do feel sympathy for those who are so desperate for a life in the UK that they risk their own lives."

    A life in France or Italy can't be that bad for these migrants. They must think the streets of London are paved with gold in order to risk their lives to go from France to the UK.

    Obvious non-gold-pavement-related reasons would be language, family/friends and the ease of living and working without papers. It would be useful to see an actual survey, though.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    JEO said:

    JEO said:

    Moses_ said:

    JEO said:

    Theresa May saying that a bunch of the tunnel rushers in Calais got through.

    What does that mean? That they're walking through the tunnel, or emerged at Folkestone clinging to a train?
    There is a central maintenance / emergency escape tunnel in the middle. Suspect that may have been a possibility ??

    One wonders if Eurotunnel management should be reviewing the Indiana Jones movies for some ideas.
    Probably the only solution is they emerge is secure detention.

    Let's face it, they aren't going to be sent back on the next train to France, or anywhere else.
    Why should we face that? Parliament is sovereign in this country so it is perfectly viable for them to implement a robust response here. If we can confirm they have come from France, a safe country, we should immediately reject any claim for asylum. They can then have a choice of return to France or deportation to their home country, or if that can't be established, Libya.
    I agree. But the problem is the HRA, ECJ and ECHR and the bleeding hearts (downthread) who know how to work the innate generosity of our legal system. Our politicians don't want to fight that.

    To all intents and purposes, if they touch British soil, a good 80%+ of them will be staying for good.
    Then change the law. That's what Parliament is there for. Labour would get destroyed if they resisted. If the European Courts protest, fold it into the renegotiation. It would be an easy win as it would be the EU accepting the by then existing system.
    I sympathise. But, let's face it, the best this government will do is rehash the HRA.

    I'm not sure they'll even achieve that.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2015
    Sean_F said:

    watford30 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Roger said:

    Interesting post 'Ears'

    A moving story and a typical one. A shame that our Prime Minister's only comment on the disaster happening in Calais is to say how tragic it is that some Britons are having their holiday disturbed. Whatever shortcomings Corbyn might have he's at least known to have some compassion.

    What's wrong with them staying in France or Italy? They have socialist governments, after all.

    We need major action and need it now. Ignore EU law, just make it happen. Restore a secure perimeter and work with the French to get Sangatte camp destroyed. Without that primary focus, the gangs would not have an easy route through and the situation would start to be resolved.
    Numbers there have hit a critical mass. 500 pose no threat; 000's can and do overwhelm existing security.
    Start using live rounds if necessary.
    Coquelles probably should have the same level of security as the AWE or a high level military site. But it won't happen. Cameron will continue to wring his hands and simper.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,986
    Moses_ said:

    taffys said:

    Any moment now TSE will be along with an analogy from antiquity...

    Actually we were posting the results on PB as wickets fell to try and avoid him the need to complete his constitutionals.

    Rumour has it he has now modernised with a 48" widescreen in the bathroom?
    I have an en suite bathroom and if you open the door it gives a perfect view of the TV in the bedroom.

    I've been told I'm a disgusting human being for even contemplating leaving the toilet door open
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106


    We should be working with France to massively boost security in the area - including troops from both nations if necessary. The French must take responsibility for clearing the camp and for ensuring no such community is ever allowed to establish itself there (or anywhere else for that matter)

    We need major action and need it now. Ignore EU law, just make it happen.

    Good luck with persuading the French to ignore EU law.

    They are well-known for being sticklers for following the rules. :innocent:
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,547
    JWisemann said:

    Of course, we know that the Tories were giving invaluable actual aid to Pol Pot and Saddam Hussein around the time Corbyn first entered parliament, rather than just using diplomatic words to describe small fry like Hezbollah.

    When were the Tories aiding Pol Pot?
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Sky reporting a man in one of the Calais camps that had actually already been to Britain for a year before he was deported back to Italy. He said that the standards of housing provision were much better in Britain so it's worth risking his life to get back. What a farce.
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    Sean_F said:

    JWisemann said:

    Ok, so when Cameron has a love-in with a terrorist enabler it's 'guff' but when Corbyn uses the traditional term 'friends' during attempts to engender peace talks he is a mad Islamist extremist. PB Tory world is fascinating place.

    Corbyn advocated surrender to people who murdered British citizens.
    No he didn't, he suggested peace talks, which actually then happened and resulted in the relative peace the area has enjoyed for many years now. As opposed to Cameron who is actually close friends with a regime who have presided over virtually every major terrorist attack in the last fifteen years and the spread of virulent Islamic extremism.

  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2015

    Sean_F said:

    watford30 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Roger said:

    Interesting post 'Ears'

    A moving story and a typical one. A shame that our Prime Minister's only comment on the disaster happening in Calais is to say how tragic it is that some Britons are having their holiday disturbed. Whatever shortcomings Corbyn might have he's at least known to have some compassion.

    What's wrong with them staying in France or Italy? They have socialist governments, after all.

    We need major action and need it now. Ignore EU law, just make it happen. Restore a secure perimeter and work with the French to get Sangatte camp destroyed. Without that primary focus, the gangs would not have an easy route through and the situation would start to be resolved.
    Numbers there have hit a critical mass. 500 pose no threat; 000's can and do overwhelm existing security.
    Start using live rounds if necessary.
    Maybe a tad too far - not unless they start using firearms too.

    I'd certainly not rule out water cannon or even rubber low-velocity bullets or tasers and, in fact, I'd be moving such assets there now.

    I also wouldn't rule out uniformed territorial army troops as aid to the civil power. Partly for reinforcement and partly because it would send a clear message.
    The French already have military personnel there - camouflaged figures with weapons were very evident on the platforms at the Calais passenger stop on a Eurostar journey a week or so ago.

    Perhaps Boris could persuade Eurotunnel to take 3 unwanted vehicles off his hands?
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    Sean_F said:

    JWisemann said:

    Of course, we know that the Tories were giving invaluable actual aid to Pol Pot and Saddam Hussein around the time Corbyn first entered parliament, rather than just using diplomatic words to describe small fry like Hezbollah.

    When were the Tories aiding Pol Pot?
    'Ta Mok's lawyer, Benson Samay, said the court would hear details of how, between 1985 and 1989, the Special Air Service (SAS) ran a series of training camps for Khmer Rouge allies in Thailand close to the Cambodian border and created a 'sabotage battalion' of 250 experts in explosives and ambushes. Intelligence experts in Singapore also ran training courses, Samay said.'
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    What's wrong with them staying in France or Italy? They have socialist governments, after all.


    We need major action and need it now. Ignore EU law, just make it happen. Restore a secure perimeter and work with the French to get Sangatte camp destroyed. Without that primary focus, the gangs would not have an easy route through and the situation would start to be resolved.

    Numbers there have hit a critical mass. 500 pose no threat; 000's can and do overwhelm existing security.


    Start using live rounds if necessary.

    Maybe a tad too far - not unless they start using firearms too.

    I'd certainly not rule out water cannon or even rubber low-velocity bullets or tasers and, in fact, I'd be moving such assets there now.

    I also wouldn't rule out uniformed territorial army troops as aid to the civil power. Partly for reinforcement and partly because it would send a clear message.

    Boris has 3 going spare or cheap.....
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    JWisemann said:

    Of course, we know that the Tories were giving invaluable actual aid to Pol Pot and Saddam Hussein around the time Corbyn first entered parliament, rather than just using diplomatic words to describe small fry like Hezbollah.

    Would this be Labour, the party (at the time) of George Galloway and Malcolm Caldwell, you are doing well tonight.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    Sean_F said:

    JEO said:

    JEO said:

    Moses_ said:

    JEO said:

    Theresa May saying that a bunch of the tunnel rushers in Calais got through.

    What does that mean? That they're walking through the tunnel, or emerged at Folkestone clinging to a train?
    There is a central maintenance / emergency escape tunnel in the middle. Suspect that may have been a possibility ??

    One wonders if Eurotunnel management should be reviewing the Indiana Jones movies for some ideas.
    Probably the only solution is they emerge is secure detention.

    Let's face it, they aren't going to be sent back on the next train to France, or anywhere else.
    Why should we face that? Parliament is sovereign in this country so it is perfectly viable for them to implement a robust response here. If we can confirm they have come from France, a safe country, we should immediately reject any claim for asylum. They can then have a choice of return to France or deportation to their home country, or if that can't be established, Libya.
    I agree. But the problem is the HRA, ECJ and ECHR and the bleeding hearts (downthread) who know how to work the innate generosity of our legal system. Our politicians don't want to fight that.

    To all intents and purposes, if they touch British soil, a good 80%+ of them will be staying for good.
    Then change the law. That's what Parliament is there for. Labour would get destroyed if they resisted. If the European Courts protest, fold it into the renegotiation. It would be an easy win as it would be the EU accepting the by then existing system.
    Now that the Conservatives have a majority (plus the backing of Douglas Carswell and the Unionists on this issue) they should push through whatever primary legislation is needed.
    But there are several Tory MPs who won't vote to the whip, and the HoL is determined to block any major change anyway.

    I think we'll get minor/cosmetic changes and not until 2017/2018. I'd be delighted to be proved wrong.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,547
    JWisemann said:

    Sean_F said:

    JWisemann said:

    Of course, we know that the Tories were giving invaluable actual aid to Pol Pot and Saddam Hussein around the time Corbyn first entered parliament, rather than just using diplomatic words to describe small fry like Hezbollah.

    When were the Tories aiding Pol Pot?
    'Ta Mok's lawyer, Benson Samay, said the court would hear details of how, between 1985 and 1989, the Special Air Service (SAS) ran a series of training camps for Khmer Rouge allies in Thailand close to the Cambodian border and created a 'sabotage battalion' of 250 experts in explosives and ambushes. Intelligence experts in Singapore also ran training courses, Samay said.'
    Aid was given to Sihanouk, if that's what you mean by "allies".
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    JWisemann said:

    Sean_F said:

    JWisemann said:

    Ok, so when Cameron has a love-in with a terrorist enabler it's 'guff' but when Corbyn uses the traditional term 'friends' during attempts to engender peace talks he is a mad Islamist extremist. PB Tory world is fascinating place.

    Corbyn advocated surrender to people who murdered British citizens.
    No he didn't, he suggested peace talks, which actually then happened and resulted in the relative peace the area has enjoyed for many years now. As opposed to Cameron who is actually close friends with a regime who have presided over virtually every major terrorist attack in the last fifteen years and the spread of virulent Islamic extremism.

    You try so hard to forget Anthony Lynton Blair, but it wont work. Not only a close friend of many Arab regimes, but still working for quite a few of them.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,547
    JWisemann said:

    Sean_F said:

    JWisemann said:

    Ok, so when Cameron has a love-in with a terrorist enabler it's 'guff' but when Corbyn uses the traditional term 'friends' during attempts to engender peace talks he is a mad Islamist extremist. PB Tory world is fascinating place.

    Corbyn advocated surrender to people who murdered British citizens.
    No he didn't, he suggested peace talks, which actually then happened and resulted in the relative peace the area has enjoyed for many years now. As opposed to Cameron who is actually close friends with a regime who have presided over virtually every major terrorist attack in the last fifteen years and the spread of virulent Islamic extremism.

    So, "Troops Out" was just about peace talks, rather than conceding what the IRA were demanding?
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    OGH. I think these figures reinforce the ones you posted yesterday showing support for Labour down since the election. It is clear that the issues deemed most important to the electorate have shifted strongly into Tory-friendly areas.

    It also suggests too that the EU referendum could get very close.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    JWisemann said:

    Sean_F said:

    JWisemann said:

    Ok, so when Cameron has a love-in with a terrorist enabler it's 'guff' but when Corbyn uses the traditional term 'friends' during attempts to engender peace talks he is a mad Islamist extremist. PB Tory world is fascinating place.

    Corbyn advocated surrender to people who murdered British citizens.
    No he didn't, he suggested peace talks, which actually then happened and resulted in the relative peace the area has enjoyed for many years now. As opposed to Cameron who is actually close friends with a regime who have presided over virtually every major terrorist attack in the last fifteen years and the spread of virulent Islamic extremism.

    You do realise that Major did all the groundwork and hard work to make that happen. "Our Tone" turned up at the last moment and simply signed on the dotted line.

    Bit like the birth of the NHS which was actually a right wing Tory idea and Labour simply put it in practice after WW2.

    *takes cover behind nearest furniture*
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Sean_F said:

    JWisemann said:

    Sean_F said:

    JWisemann said:

    Of course, we know that the Tories were giving invaluable actual aid to Pol Pot and Saddam Hussein around the time Corbyn first entered parliament, rather than just using diplomatic words to describe small fry like Hezbollah.

    When were the Tories aiding Pol Pot?
    'Ta Mok's lawyer, Benson Samay, said the court would hear details of how, between 1985 and 1989, the Special Air Service (SAS) ran a series of training camps for Khmer Rouge allies in Thailand close to the Cambodian border and created a 'sabotage battalion' of 250 experts in explosives and ambushes. Intelligence experts in Singapore also ran training courses, Samay said.'
    Aid was given to Sihanouk, if that's what you mean by "allies".
    He is actually suggesting we take the word of a former military chief of the Khmer Rouge ("Brother Number Five") who was on trial for Crimes against Humanity, a model of probity and straight dealing.
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    Indigo said:

    JWisemann said:

    Of course, we know that the Tories were giving invaluable actual aid to Pol Pot and Saddam Hussein around the time Corbyn first entered parliament, rather than just using diplomatic words to describe small fry like Hezbollah.

    Would this be Labour, the party (at the time) of George Galloway and Malcolm Caldwell, you are doing well tonight.
    Galloway met Saddam and said some unfortunate things, Thatcher actually armed him. Slightly different. I didn't even know who Caldwell was but it turns out he wasn't even n elected labour representative, and again was responsible for some unfortunate obscure dissembling, whereas again Thatcher was actually responsible for arming Pol Pot's coalition.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Sean_F said:

    JWisemann said:

    Sean_F said:

    JWisemann said:

    Ok, so when Cameron has a love-in with a terrorist enabler it's 'guff' but when Corbyn uses the traditional term 'friends' during attempts to engender peace talks he is a mad Islamist extremist. PB Tory world is fascinating place.

    Corbyn advocated surrender to people who murdered British citizens.
    No he didn't, he suggested peace talks, which actually then happened and resulted in the relative peace the area has enjoyed for many years now. As opposed to Cameron who is actually close friends with a regime who have presided over virtually every major terrorist attack in the last fifteen years and the spread of virulent Islamic extremism.

    So, "Troops Out" was just about peace talks, rather than conceding what the IRA were demanding?
    Doesn't he also support handing over Northern Ireland to the Irish Republic?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,166
    JEO said:

    Sean_F said:

    JWisemann said:

    Sean_F said:

    JWisemann said:

    Ok, so when Cameron has a love-in with a terrorist enabler it's 'guff' but when Corbyn uses the traditional term 'friends' during attempts to engender peace talks he is a mad Islamist extremist. PB Tory world is fascinating place.

    Corbyn advocated surrender to people who murdered British citizens.
    No he didn't, he suggested peace talks, which actually then happened and resulted in the relative peace the area has enjoyed for many years now. As opposed to Cameron who is actually close friends with a regime who have presided over virtually every major terrorist attack in the last fifteen years and the spread of virulent Islamic extremism.

    So, "Troops Out" was just about peace talks, rather than conceding what the IRA were demanding?
    Doesn't he also support handing over Northern Ireland to the Irish Republic?
    The Labour Party doesn't even bother to contest elections in NI.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    edited July 2015
    So close to £225 more profit !

    Still £25 up is £25 up on the nags (Backed Arod E/W)
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Moses_ said:

    taffys said:

    Any moment now TSE will be along with an analogy from antiquity...

    Actually we were posting the results on PB as wickets fell to try and avoid him the need to complete his constitutionals.

    Rumour has it he has now modernised with a 48" widescreen in the bathroom?
    I have an en suite bathroom and if you open the door it gives a perfect view of the TV in the bedroom.

    I've been told I'm a disgusting human being for even contemplating leaving the toilet door open
    Ewwww... With Sewell and that admission the mind bleach is getting a hammering this afternoon.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Broad joins the party
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    What is the legal basis for the "first safe country" rule? Can we really deport people not back to their home country but to France, Spain or Italy?

    The 1951 Convention and 1967 Protocol on Refugees. These define 'refugee', 'refoulement' and lay out state obligations.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,547

    From the Guardian Article from which J Wiseman was quoting "the SAS was ordered to train only soldiers loyal to the ousted Prince Norodom Sihanouk, and the liberal democrat former Prime Minister, Son Sann, "
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    I don't think my day 5 tickets are going to be used,
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,669
    Just installed Windows 10

    It's pretty good
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,976
    Mr. 1000, on a desktop?
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    Who just happened to be fighting in the same army as Pol Pot. It was a sleight of hand.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    enjoying the cricket whilst I can.....
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    JWisemann said:



    Galloway met Saddam and said some unfortunate things, Thatcher actually armed him.

    Strange that. In all my time in Iraq, I don't recall seeing British military kit. Lots of Russian, some US and French. Truly scratching my head to remember a single bit of British weaponry.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    MTimT said:

    JWisemann said:



    Galloway met Saddam and said some unfortunate things, Thatcher actually armed him.

    Strange that. In all my time in Iraq, I don't recall seeing British military kit. Lots of Russian, some US and French. Truly scratching my head to remember a single bit of British weaponry.
    Maggie gave him all the tiny milk bottles that she'd snatched from the hands of weeping school children.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    rcs1000 said:

    Just installed Windows 10

    It's pretty good

    Mine has downloaded and is 'preparing for installation'. That's taking longer than the download
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    Basically I'm saying that a party responsible for materially aiding the Taliban, ISIS, the Khmer Rouge and Saddam Hussein probably shouldn't get on their high horse about a few diplomatic words about some minor local guerrillas.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    JWisemann said:

    Indigo said:

    JWisemann said:

    Of course, we know that the Tories were giving invaluable actual aid to Pol Pot and Saddam Hussein around the time Corbyn first entered parliament, rather than just using diplomatic words to describe small fry like Hezbollah.

    Would this be Labour, the party (at the time) of George Galloway and Malcolm Caldwell, you are doing well tonight.
    Galloway met Saddam and said some unfortunate things, Thatcher actually armed him. Slightly different. I didn't even know who Caldwell was but it turns out he wasn't even n elected labour representative, and again was responsible for some unfortunate obscure dissembling, whereas again Thatcher was actually responsible for arming Pol Pot's coalition.
    Unfortunate things ? Pol Pot's Apologist ?
    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/jan/10/malcolm-caldwell-pol-pot-murder
    And yet somehow Labour managed to select him as a local candidate...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,046
    edited July 2015
    rcs1000 said:

    Just installed Windows 10

    It's pretty good

    I've been running the betas of W10. It's definitely an improvement on 8, but if you've got 7 then stick with that. Watch out for the automatic updates that can't be disabled on the 'Home' versions.

    As we love acronyms here:
    IAAITPBINYITPDYOR (I am an IT professional, but I'm not your IT professional, do your own research)
    ;-)
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    rcs1000 said:

    Just installed Windows 10

    It's pretty good


    What advantage does it provide over your previous operating system?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,669

    Mr. 1000, on a desktop?

    Yes indeed.
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    rcs1000 said:

    Just installed Windows 10

    It's pretty good

    Could you, and is there any point, install it on a machine which does not run Windows 8?
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2015
    JWisemann said:

    'some minor local guerrillas.'

    The IRA? You really are a complete tool.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,976
    Mr. Sandpit, cheers. Got 7 now (only changed last year from XP). As a changeophobe, quite happy to stick with this as long as I can.

    It's a shame ColinW's Mum isn't around to waggle her finger at Mr. Wisemann.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,669

    rcs1000 said:

    Just installed Windows 10

    It's pretty good


    What advantage does it provide over your previous operating system?
    I'm upgrading from MS-DOS 2.11, and I find the new fangled "windows" and the colour display utterly enchanting.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,669

    rcs1000 said:

    Just installed Windows 10

    It's pretty good

    Could you, and is there any point, install it on a machine which does not run Windows 8?
    It's a pretty smooth upgrade from Windows 7
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak

    'Unison' union says it has decided to nominate Jeremy #Corbyn in #Labour party leadership contest and Yvette Cooper as its second choice
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    Windows 10? Pah.

    What about wicket 10?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I was an orange/black girl myself.
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just installed Windows 10

    It's pretty good


    What advantage does it provide over your previous operating system?
    I'm upgrading from MS-DOS 2.11, and I find the new fangled "windows" and the colour display utterly enchanting.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    JWisemann said:

    Basically I'm saying that a party responsible for materially aiding ...

    No you weren't. You used the term "arming". Nice try to backtrack though.

    A tip from you US-based right wing nut job: Hyperbole always comes home to roost.
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    watford30 said:

    JWisemann said:

    'some minor local guerrillas.'

    The IRA? You really are a complete tool.
    I'm talking about Hamas and Hezbollah

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,514
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just installed Windows 10

    It's pretty good


    What advantage does it provide over your previous operating system?
    I'm upgrading from MS-DOS 2.11, and I find the new fangled "windows" and the colour display utterly enchanting.
    Will it support my seven-segment LED display? And how about my 8" floppy? ;)
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    JWisemann said:

    Basically I'm saying that a party responsible for materially aiding the Taliban, ISIS, the Khmer Rouge and Saddam Hussein probably shouldn't get on their high horse about a few diplomatic words about some minor local guerrillas.

    Jesus.

    If Corbyn said that, all anyone else would have to do is stick in on a poster.

    Save them millions in actual campaigning.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SamCoatesTimes: Unison endorse Jeremy Corbyn first and Yvette Cooper second for Labour leadership. Given Burnham's health brief, that will be shock for them

    @steve_hawkes: Stunning. Unison union endorses Jeremy Corbyn. Huge development. Yvette Cooper's camp will be stunned.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Unison endorse Jeremy Corbyn first and Yvette Cooper second for Labour leadership. Given Burnham's health brief, that will be shock for them

    @steve_hawkes: Stunning. Unison union endorses Jeremy Corbyn. Huge development. Yvette Cooper's camp will be stunned.

    Probably all that privatization that Burnham was involved in ;-)
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited July 2015
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just installed Windows 10

    It's pretty good


    What advantage does it provide over your previous operating system?
    I'm upgrading from MS-DOS 2.11, and I find the new fangled "windows" and the colour display utterly enchanting.

    You appear to have been stuck in the 1980s computerwise.

    Will you be acquiring a mobile phone soon? I'm already on my third mobile phone having recently moved to an iPhone.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just installed Windows 10

    It's pretty good


    What advantage does it provide over your previous operating system?
    I'm upgrading from MS-DOS 2.11, and I find the new fangled "windows" and the colour display utterly enchanting.
    Will it support my seven-segment LED display? And how about my 8" floppy? ;)
    Only the 360k floppy, not the high density 1.2m one :)
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    JWisemann said:

    Basically I'm saying that a party responsible for materially aiding the Taliban, ISIS, the Khmer Rouge and Saddam Hussein probably shouldn't get on their high horse about a few diplomatic words about some minor local guerrillas.

    Wait, who are you claiming materially aided the Taliban, and how are you claiming they materially aided them?
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082

    JWisemann said:

    Basically I'm saying that a party responsible for materially aiding the Taliban, ISIS, the Khmer Rouge and Saddam Hussein probably shouldn't get on their high horse about a few diplomatic words about some minor local guerrillas.

    Jesus.

    If Corbyn said that, all anyone else would have to do is stick in on a poster.

    Save them millions in actual campaigning.

    Somehow I can't see the Tories drawing attention to the fact that they have at one point or another backed most of recent history's most reviled genocidal terror groups and dictators.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    Jonathan said:

    Interesting chart comparing what's missing between the Labour and Tory top 10.

    Tory voters concerned about the EU and an ageing population.
    Labour voters concerned about poverty/inequality and low pay.

    Why are Tory voters concerned about an aging population - pensioners vote Tory, after all.
    That's why they're more concerned than other voters - more of them already are or are about to experience the problems that come with an aging population, so think it should be a higher priority.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited July 2015

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just installed Windows 10

    It's pretty good


    What advantage does it provide over your previous operating system?
    I'm upgrading from MS-DOS 2.11, and I find the new fangled "windows" and the colour display utterly enchanting.

    You appear to have been stuck in the 1980s computerwise.

    Will you be acquiring a mobile phone soon?
    I seem to remember reading somewhere that the likes of Nokia 3310's are proving to be extremely popular on the second hand market as people are looking for an emergency phone that is robust and battery doesn't die all the time.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    JWisemann said:

    watford30 said:

    JWisemann said:

    'some minor local guerrillas.'

    The IRA? You really are a complete tool.
    I'm talking about Hamas and Hezbollah

    Hezbollah run half of Lebanon!
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    JWisemann said:

    watford30 said:

    JWisemann said:

    'some minor local guerrillas.'

    The IRA? You really are a complete tool.
    I'm talking about Hamas and Hezbollah

    Thought you were channelling Owen Jones for a minute.

    Still, those 2 are hardly minor players.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,514
    Plato said:

    I was an orange/black girl myself.

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just installed Windows 10

    It's pretty good


    What advantage does it provide over your previous operating system?
    I'm upgrading from MS-DOS 2.11, and I find the new fangled "windows" and the colour display utterly enchanting.
    You'd have liked Arthur OS then; fresh for 1988:

    http://www.mjpye.org.uk/images/screens/riscos-01.gif
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just installed Windows 10

    It's pretty good


    What advantage does it provide over your previous operating system?
    I'm upgrading from MS-DOS 2.11, and I find the new fangled "windows" and the colour display utterly enchanting.

    You appear to have been stuck in the 1980s computerwise.

    Will you be acquiring a mobile phone soon?
    I seemed to remember reading somewhere that the likes of Nokia 3310's are proving to be extremely popular on the second hand market as people are looking for an emergency phone that is robust and battery doesn't die all the time.
    I still have my Nokia 6310i and the battery runs for about a week. It's my backup phone.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just installed Windows 10

    It's pretty good


    What advantage does it provide over your previous operating system?
    I'm upgrading from MS-DOS 2.11, and I find the new fangled "windows" and the colour display utterly enchanting.

    You appear to have been stuck in the 1980s computerwise.

    Will you be acquiring a mobile phone soon? I'm already on my third mobile phone having recently moved to an iPhone.
    Only if he can have handsfree in his Sinclair C5.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,669
    What's the spread on England runs - 70-90?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    BOWLED HIM....136 All Out...Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oi, Oi, Oi...
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    JWisemann said:

    watford30 said:

    JWisemann said:

    'some minor local guerrillas.'

    The IRA? You really are a complete tool.
    I'm talking about Hamas and Hezbollah

    So Hamas control the Gaza strip and Hizbollah rule the roost politically in Lebanon and saved Assad's arse in Syria. Both take the fight to Israel in fairly major military confrontations with global political and security implications. And these are, in your mind, 'minor local guerillas' who are somewhat less important than IRA.

    There seems to be an opportunistic lack of consistency in your thinking.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,669

    Plato said:

    I was an orange/black girl myself.

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just installed Windows 10

    It's pretty good


    What advantage does it provide over your previous operating system?
    I'm upgrading from MS-DOS 2.11, and I find the new fangled "windows" and the colour display utterly enchanting.
    You'd have liked Arthur OS then; fresh for 1988:

    http://www.mjpye.org.uk/images/screens/riscos-01.gif
    Remember Zarch?
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    JWisemann said:

    Indigo said:

    JWisemann said:

    Of course, we know that the Tories were giving invaluable actual aid to Pol Pot and Saddam Hussein around the time Corbyn first entered parliament, rather than just using diplomatic words to describe small fry like Hezbollah.

    Would this be Labour, the party (at the time) of George Galloway and Malcolm Caldwell, you are doing well tonight.
    Galloway met Saddam and said some unfortunate things, Thatcher actually armed him. Slightly different. I didn't even know who Caldwell was but it turns out he wasn't even n elected labour representative, and again was responsible for some unfortunate obscure dissembling, whereas again Thatcher was actually responsible for arming Pol Pot's coalition.
    You are John Pilger and I claim my £5.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Let's see if our top four can muster some runs...
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    JEO said:

    JWisemann said:

    Basically I'm saying that a party responsible for materially aiding the Taliban, ISIS, the Khmer Rouge and Saddam Hussein probably shouldn't get on their high horse about a few diplomatic words about some minor local guerrillas.

    Wait, who are you claiming materially aided the Taliban, and how are you claiming they materially aided them?
    @JEO. It is becoming increasingly evident with each additional post that Mr J "Asinine" Weismann knows not about what he is talking and is way out of his depth. He just keeps digging. But at least he is ideologically pure.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,974
    JWisemann said:

    watford30 said:

    JWisemann said:

    'some minor local guerrillas.'

    The IRA? You really are a complete tool.
    I'm talking about Hamas and Hezbollah

    That still makes you a complete tool.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Ditto but 6300 http://www.prepaymania.co.uk/capsta/photo/nokia6300silverDescJay.jpg

    It's almost indestructible, tiny and battery lasts 7days+
    Tim_B said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just installed Windows 10

    It's pretty good


    What advantage does it provide over your previous operating system?
    I'm upgrading from MS-DOS 2.11, and I find the new fangled "windows" and the colour display utterly enchanting.

    You appear to have been stuck in the 1980s computerwise.

    Will you be acquiring a mobile phone soon?
    I seemed to remember reading somewhere that the likes of Nokia 3310's are proving to be extremely popular on the second hand market as people are looking for an emergency phone that is robust and battery doesn't die all the time.
    I still have my Nokia 6310i and the battery runs for about a week. It's my backup phone.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,514
    rcs1000 said:

    Plato said:

    I was an orange/black girl myself.

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just installed Windows 10

    It's pretty good


    What advantage does it provide over your previous operating system?
    I'm upgrading from MS-DOS 2.11, and I find the new fangled "windows" and the colour display utterly enchanting.
    You'd have liked Arthur OS then; fresh for 1988:

    http://www.mjpye.org.uk/images/screens/riscos-01.gif
    Remember Zarch?
    Yep, but I was terrible at it. I could never control it and would always flip over and crash into the landscape ...
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    JWisemann said:

    JWisemann said:

    Basically I'm saying that a party responsible for materially aiding the Taliban, ISIS, the Khmer Rouge and Saddam Hussein probably shouldn't get on their high horse about a few diplomatic words about some minor local guerrillas.

    Jesus.

    If Corbyn said that, all anyone else would have to do is stick in on a poster.

    Save them millions in actual campaigning.

    Somehow I can't see the Tories drawing attention to the fact that they have at one point or another backed most of recent history's most reviled genocidal terror groups and dictators.
    Even Joe Public understands what world diplomacy looks like. We* didn't "back most of recent history's most reviled genocidal terror groups and dictators", we took a situation and did what we thought was best. And sure, some decisions have turned out badly, and there have been cockups. But the idea that Britain has been a state sponsor of world terrorism is just out of this world. I wouldn't even hang that moniker round Corbyn's neck, he's just an apologist.

    *the British government. Foreign policy has been a consensus since the war, more or less.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533

    Let's see if our top four can muster some runs...

    Covers eyes with hands...
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932
    JEO said:

    JWisemann said:

    Basically I'm saying that a party responsible for materially aiding the Taliban, ISIS, the Khmer Rouge and Saddam Hussein probably shouldn't get on their high horse about a few diplomatic words about some minor local guerrillas.

    Wait, who are you claiming materially aided the Taliban, and how are you claiming they materially aided them?
    Don't know the details, but the US did fund the mujahideen fighting the Russians in Afghanistan. Maybe you could start your investigation here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    I'm surprisingly not a fan of Hezbollah's religious fundamentalism, but the simple fact is they are widely popular in Lebanon for repelling Israeli incursions and occupations, invariably killing hundreds if not thousands of civilians of all denominations. At no point have they attacked Israel unprovoked. Hamas are vile, but again are a byproduct of Israeli machinations against secular Palestinian opposition. Neither are worse than their supremacist right wing counterparts in Israel in my view.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Tim_B said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just installed Windows 10

    It's pretty good


    What advantage does it provide over your previous operating system?
    I'm upgrading from MS-DOS 2.11, and I find the new fangled "windows" and the colour display utterly enchanting.

    You appear to have been stuck in the 1980s computerwise.

    Will you be acquiring a mobile phone soon?
    I seemed to remember reading somewhere that the likes of Nokia 3310's are proving to be extremely popular on the second hand market as people are looking for an emergency phone that is robust and battery doesn't die all the time.
    I still have my Nokia 6310i and the battery runs for about a week. It's my backup phone.
    I tried to buy an old Nokia 3330/10 when I misplaced my android phone to have something to use. You can't get them anymore and they're incompatible with 3's 3G only network. Best phone ever still.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Re: Unison

    Burnham doesn't deserve his lead over Cooper let alone Corbyn now.

    Already drifting on Betfair.

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    rcs1000 said:

    Plato said:

    I was an orange/black girl myself.

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just installed Windows 10

    It's pretty good


    What advantage does it provide over your previous operating system?
    I'm upgrading from MS-DOS 2.11, and I find the new fangled "windows" and the colour display utterly enchanting.
    You'd have liked Arthur OS then; fresh for 1988:

    http://www.mjpye.org.uk/images/screens/riscos-01.gif
    Remember Zarch?
    I just realized that this is the 30th anniversary of my getting my first PC, at which time I was with IBM.

    WordPerfect, dBase and Lotus 123 were the key programs you needed.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Corbyn has finally moved ahead of Burnham with Betfair Exchange:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.103946886
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626

    Let's see if our top four can muster some runs...

    Covers eyes with hands...
    They just need to not do anything stupid, don't go chasing it...

    Oh, wait.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,976
    Mr. Rabbit, if it gets any worse his mascara will run :p
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    AndyJS said:

    Corbyn has finally moved ahead of Burnham with Betfair Exchange:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.103946886

    Burnham being matched over 3.0 now. Cooper crash yet to come...
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243

    Let's see if our top four can muster some runs...

    What makes me laugh is all the sneering comments about 'past it' and 'useless' Anderton on various interweb forums (not here I think) after the last Test.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    WP vs5.1

    Those were the days.
    Tim_B said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Plato said:

    I was an orange/black girl myself.

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just installed Windows 10

    It's pretty good


    What advantage does it provide over your previous operating system?
    I'm upgrading from MS-DOS 2.11, and I find the new fangled "windows" and the colour display utterly enchanting.
    You'd have liked Arthur OS then; fresh for 1988:

    http://www.mjpye.org.uk/images/screens/riscos-01.gif
    Remember Zarch?
    I just realized that this is the 30th anniversary of my getting my first PC, at which time I was with IBM.

    WordPerfect, dBase and Lotus 123 were the key programs you needed.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656

    JEO said:

    JWisemann said:

    Basically I'm saying that a party responsible for materially aiding the Taliban, ISIS, the Khmer Rouge and Saddam Hussein probably shouldn't get on their high horse about a few diplomatic words about some minor local guerrillas.

    Wait, who are you claiming materially aided the Taliban, and how are you claiming they materially aided them?
    Don't know the details, but the US did fund the mujahideen fighting the Russians in Afghanistan. Maybe you could start your investigation here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
    I believe JWisemann was claiming that the Conservative Party funded them, although he remains notably silent on this matter. Perhaps he is still reeling from how silly he looked after he claimed that Hezbollah were a minor militia.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited July 2015

    Let's see if our top four can muster some runs...

    What makes me laugh is all the sneering comments about 'past it' and 'useless' Anderton on various interweb forums (not here I think) after the last Test.
    Nope. Anderson and Broad are still very good bowlers, what we don't have is variation in the bowling attack when batsmen get set.

    Starc making it really move.
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