@antifrank - I won't be placing any bets on GE2020 until we're closer than 2 years out. Yes, I might lose a bit of value but there's so many wild things that could happen between now and then I simply can't read it and locking money up for 5 years at those prices doesn't appeal.
In fact, maybe I won't miss out on value given that Con majority was available at 10/1 or more this time round less than 12 hours before it actually happened!
So an MEP suggests his party leader's campaign wasn't run as well as it could have been and the bloke responsible for the campaign gets the push, even those determined to spend their lives discrediting Ukip have to admit this really isn't a big deal.
If only the country was run as well as Ukip.
See what I mean? If there was another election tomorrow Ukip would get more votes than last week, this is a total non-story, get over yourself
What possible reason do you have to believe that? They'd almost certainly have less.
No snp/Miliband threat if course. The main reason Ukip didn't get any seats
My prediction is they will lose Kassam and the other bod.
Once all the pawns have been taken the king is very exposed.
Ooh SeanT has a rival!
Look, I agree with you that Farage has helped get to 4 million supporters. But it looks like he's not the right leader for the party now. Not to mention the referendum issue.
We have to agree to disagree. There is no one close in the party to replace him
It really is like wenger/Mourinho/fergie/curbs/clough leaving their club
I know you, and most people on here, aren't Ukip supporters and want them to do badly, so obv hope stands down... And as always on here, people say what they want to happen, then go round the houses justifying it so it sounds logical and unbiased. But the truth is that Farage is Ukips biggest asset
This is to argue that Blair should still be leading Labour because he was an asset in the past.
Hardly
Farage was leader when Ukip quadrupled their best ever GE score last week
@antifrank - I won't be placing any bets on GE2020 until we're closer than 2 years out. Yes, I might lose a bit of value but there's so many wild things that could happen between now and then I simply can't read it and locking money up for 5 years at those prices doesn't appeal.
In fact, maybe I won't miss out on value given that Con majority was available at 10/1 or more this time round less than 12 hours before it actually happened!
That was my best and most profitable bet of the whole election - Con Maj on betfair after the exit poll.
Well, of course he's duplicitous. He abandoned his party in pursuit of self interest.
It's like Anthea Turner complaining that Grant Bovey's an adulterer.
Still repeating the bollocks I see Bond. Carswell left the Tories out of principle. Something tat you as a man who voted BNP-lite probably wouldn't understand.
I know you, and most people on here, aren't Ukip supporters and want them to do badly, so obv hope stands down... And as always on here, people say what they want to happen, then go round the houses justifying it so it sounds logical and unbiased. But the truth is that Farage is Ukips biggest asset
He's an asset in the country, I agree - but you have to be able to manage a party too. And I don't mind if UKIP does well, to be honest - Labour in particular deserve the kick up the arse that they are getting for neglecting their original supporters.
Mostly I'm interested in the internal politics of it all.
I am no insider but get the feeling that Kassam and Richardson are the ones that are resented and there's no problem between Farage and O'Flynn, Evans, Aker or Woolfe... Anyway they've gone now so hopefully that's sorted
Carswell seems to be his own man and is obv a bit of a maverick/ star striker that gets a bit more leeway than others ... My only concern w him is that he might really believe 4m people are fixated on gladstonian liberalism etc rather than their pay packet and hometown unless Farage is around to keep his feet on the ground ... That way lies 4%
Well I am not sure how many UKIP supporters actively post on here but at least 2 of us (myself and Luckyguy) want Farage to go. So far as far as I can see you are the only UKIP supporter on here who has said he should stay.
@antifrank - I won't be placing any bets on GE2020 until we're closer than 2 years out. Yes, I might lose a bit of value but there's so many wild things that could happen between now and then I simply can't read it and locking money up for 5 years at those prices doesn't appeal.
In fact, maybe I won't miss out on value given that Con majority was available at 10/1 or more this time round less than 12 hours before it actually happened!
Absolutely.
So much value was available in the last few months - and especially the last week of the campaign - that it made sense to hold on to your betting bank.
I've basically already booked off work the first week in May 2020 and expect to be going on a *MASSIVE* betting spree.
GE 2010 - Staked ~£3k, profit £6.47 Indyref - Staked ~£1.5k, profit ~£800 GE 2015 - Staked ~£12k, Profit £5700
I know you, and most people on here, aren't Ukip supporters and want them to do badly, so obv hope stands down... And as always on here, people say what they want to happen, then go round the houses justifying it so it sounds logical and unbiased. But the truth is that Farage is Ukips biggest asset
He's an asset in the country, I agree - but you have to be able to manage a party too. And I don't mind if UKIP does well, to be honest - Labour in particular deserve the kick up the arse that they are getting for neglecting their original supporters.
Mostly I'm interested in the internal politics of it all.
I am no insider but get the feeling that Kassam and Richardson are the ones that are resented and there's no problem between Farage and O'Flynn, Evans, Aker or Woolfe... Anyway they've gone now so hopefully that's sorted
Carswell seems to be his own man and is obv a bit of a maverick/ star striker that gets a bit more leeway than others ... My only concern w him is that he might really believe 4m people are fixated on gladstonian liberalism etc rather than their pay packet and hometown unless Farage is around to keep his feet on the ground ... That way lies 4%
Well I am not sure how many UKIP supporters actively post on here but at least 2 of us (myself and Luckyguy) want Farage to go. So far as far as I can see you are the only UKIP supporter on here who has said he should stay.
@antifrank - I won't be placing any bets on GE2020 until we're closer than 2 years out. Yes, I might lose a bit of value but there's so many wild things that could happen between now and then I simply can't read it and locking money up for 5 years at those prices doesn't appeal.
In fact, maybe I won't miss out on value given that Con majority was available at 10/1 or more this time round less than 12 hours before it actually happened!
That was my best and most profitable bet of the whole election - Con Maj on betfair after the exit poll.
Same here, about 3 in the morning for no reason the price drifted to 13, couldn't believe it, after the Swindon South result I though they were on for a majority.
In fairness she seems well qualified for the post:
"In 2002 Creagh instigated an investigation into cronyism in the appointment of the Islington Council Chief Executive by five Liberal Democrats councillors. After the longest ever investigation by the Standards Board for England her complaint was rejected. Creagh was criticised by the Tribunal as "heavily influenced by her political motives" and that she was an "insensitive witness, lacking in balanced judgment and one who was prepared to make assumptions about honesty and integrity of others without any proper basis."
Just caught up with Liz Kendall's interview last night on Newsnight.
I was extremely unimpressed with her determination not to immediately answer Evan Davis's quick litmus test questions in order to instead churn out what were undoubtedly pre-prepared lines.
Yes, she has good ideas and would attempt to make the party more electable.
But she sounded like a trainee who had learnt some pre-prepared lines and was just determined to recite them in order to (attempt to) impress the boss.
It wasn't good enough for someone putting themselves forward to be PM.
Same here, about 3 in the morning for no reason the price drifted to 13, couldn't believe it, after the Swindon South result I though they were on for a majority.
Yes, that too. And 1.6 later when it was really 1.02. Far too many punters just using the on-screen projections which I believe were still showing 325.
Farage was leader when Ukip quadrupled their best ever GE score last week
How many times has he been leader and UKIP went nowhere?
The collapse of the LibDem's as a protest vote and the rising concerns over immigration gave UKIP the increased votes, not Farage.
More to the point, can Farage take them any further... probably not.
Ah somebody has actually said it!
Just like a Tottenham fan when Redknapp was finishing 4th and getting to the 1/4 finals of the champions league
But finishing 4th gets you Champions League entry.
What does finishing 4th get you here? Not even a single MP bar a defector. Either you surely want to go further, or what's the point?
You're missing the point... That is about as good as it gets for spurs, but they had idea above their station and were greedy. Now they don't get close those heights any longer... They didn't know how good they had it
Look I understand you would rather Farage were not Ukip leader, I would be the same if I were you... But there is really no need to dress it up any more than that
Well, of course he's duplicitous. He abandoned his party in pursuit of self interest.
It's like Anthea Turner complaining that Grant Bovey's an adulterer.
Still repeating the bollocks I see Bond. Carswell left the Tories out of principle. Something tat you as a man who voted BNP-lite probably wouldn't understand.
Eh? Carswell likely jumped before another UKIP candidate grabbed his seat at the GE.
Same here, about 3 in the morning for no reason the price drifted to 13, couldn't believe it, after the Swindon South result I though they were on for a majority.
Yes, that too. And 1.6 later when it was really 1.02. Far too many punters just using the on-screen projections which I believe were still showing 325.
In fairness, for BF to settle Conmaj, it had to be >=327 (326+Bercow)
So an MEP suggests his party leader's campaign wasn't run as well as it could have been and the bloke responsible for the campaign gets the push, even those determined to spend their lives discrediting Ukip have to admit this really isn't a big deal.
If only the country was run as well as Ukip.
See what I mean? If there was another election tomorrow Ukip would get more votes than last week, this is a total non-story, get over yourself
What possible reason do you have to believe that? They'd almost certainly have less.
No snp/Miliband threat if course. The main reason Ukip didn't get any seats
They'd have more, almost certain
Oh have the SNP disappeared into a vortex? If there was a general election next tomorrow the SNP threat would still be there.
Next general election the SNP threat will be there and the Lib Dems will be snapping up protest votes they lost this time. The BNP aren't coming back.
In fairness, for BF to settle Conmaj, it had to be >=327 (326+Bercow)
Yes - but I had them at 330 without Bercow! They were already showing enough gains for 326 with 3 x LD seats and the heavily trailed Balls result to come.
So an MEP suggests his party leader's campaign wasn't run as well as it could have been and the bloke responsible for the campaign gets the push, even those determined to spend their lives discrediting Ukip have to admit this really isn't a big deal.
If only the country was run as well as Ukip.
See what I mean? If there was another election tomorrow Ukip would get more votes than last week, this is a total non-story, get over yourself
What possible reason do you have to believe that? They'd almost certainly have less.
No snp/Miliband threat if course. The main reason Ukip didn't get any seats
They'd have more, almost certain
Oh have the SNP disappeared into a vortex? If there was a general election next tomorrow the SNP threat would still be there.
Next general election the SNP threat will be there and the Lib Dems will be snapping up protest votes they lost this time. The BNP aren't coming back.
If people knew that the conservatives were on the verge if a majority rather than likely to be outnumbered by Miliband and the SNP I think con-Ukip waverers would feel more comfortable voting Ukip
Just a theory. Maybe it was the big society wot won it
Same here, about 3 in the morning for no reason the price drifted to 13, couldn't believe it, after the Swindon South result I though they were on for a majority.
Yes, that too. And 1.6 later when it was really 1.02. Far too many punters just using the on-screen projections which I believe were still showing 325.
In fairness, for BF to settle Conmaj, it had to be >=327 (326+Bercow)
£5 @ 5.0 and £200 at 1.5 on the night on Con Majority.
It was utterly pathetically timid. Especially considering I had Con minority covered for ~ £400 more profit.
Well, of course he's duplicitous. He abandoned his party in pursuit of self interest.
It's like Anthea Turner complaining that Grant Bovey's an adulterer.
Still repeating the bollocks I see Bond. Carswell left the Tories out of principle. Something tat you as a man who voted BNP-lite probably wouldn't understand.
Eh? Carswell likely jumped before another UKIP candidate grabbed his seat at the GE.
Rubbish. There was no way Carswell was ever going to lose that seat to UKIP. The candidate they had lined up there for a start was not exactly a first line contender. The only way UKIP were ever going to have an MP in Clacton was if Carswell defected to them. Nor is that hindsight. It was obvious to anyone with a brain cell at the time. Subsequent events have born it out.
Farage was leader when Ukip quadrupled their best ever GE score last week
How many times has he been leader and UKIP went nowhere?
The collapse of the LibDem's as a protest vote and the rising concerns over immigration gave UKIP the increased votes, not Farage.
More to the point, can Farage take them any further... probably not.
Ah somebody has actually said it!
Just like a Tottenham fan when Redknapp was finishing 4th and getting to the 1/4 finals of the champions league
But finishing 4th gets you Champions League entry.
What does finishing 4th get you here? Not even a single MP bar a defector. Either you surely want to go further, or what's the point?
You're missing the point... That is about as good as it gets for spurs, but they had idea above their station and were greedy. Now they don't get close those heights any longer... They didn't know how good they had it
Look I understand you would rather Farage were not Ukip leader, I would be the same if I were you... But there is really no need to dress it up any more than that
I honestly couldn't care less who is leader of UKIP. I don't mean to be rude but its a joke party that took a fraction of the protest votes that were available. There isn't another election coming for five years now and whether Farage stays or goes now, the odds of him still being there five years from now are slim to nil. If he is, he will be incredibly tired and the party truly would be a personality cult. Furthermore I'm not arrogant enough to suspect that what I say has any bearing whatsoever on if he stays or goes. Like you, what I write I mean. I'm honest too.
Same here, about 3 in the morning for no reason the price drifted to 13, couldn't believe it, after the Swindon South result I though they were on for a majority.
Yes, that too. And 1.6 later when it was really 1.02. Far too many punters just using the on-screen projections which I believe were still showing 325.
In fairness, for BF to settle Conmaj, it had to be >=327 (326+Bercow)
£5 @ 5.0 and £200 at 1.5 on the night on Con Majority.
It was utterly pathetically timid. Especially considering I had Con minority covered for ~ £400 more profit.
That same timidity probably meant you limited your stakes on the losing bets, too.
So long as you cleared an overall profit, your judgement was sound. In my experience, successful betting is as much about correctly judging your stake sizes as it is about winning bets.
Farage was leader when Ukip quadrupled their best ever GE score last week
How many times has he been leader and UKIP went nowhere?
The collapse of the LibDem's as a protest vote and the rising concerns over immigration gave UKIP the increased votes, not Farage.
More to the point, can Farage take them any further... probably not.
Ah somebody has actually said it!
Just like a Tottenham fan when Redknapp was finishing 4th and getting to the 1/4 finals of the champions league
But finishing 4th gets you Champions League entry.
What does finishing 4th get you here? Not even a single MP bar a defector. Either you surely want to go further, or what's the point?
You're missing the point... That is about as good as it gets for spurs, but they had idea above their station and were greedy. Now they don't get close those heights any longer... They didn't know how good they had it
Look I understand you would rather Farage were not Ukip leader, I would be the same if I were you... But there is really no need to dress it up any more than that
I honestly couldn't care less who is leader of UKIP. I don't mean to be rude but its a joke party that took a fraction of the protest votes that were available. There isn't another election coming for five years now and whether Farage stays or goes now, the odds of him still being there five years from now are slim to nil. If he is, he will be incredibly tired and the party truly would be a personality cult. Furthermore I'm not arrogant enough to suspect that what I say has any bearing whatsoever on if he stays or goes. Like you, what I write I mean. I'm honest too.
I couldn't care less who is leader of conservative labour greens or lib dems, funnily enough that means I don't get into arguments with people who support that party about it or post about it as if anyone cares what I think
Farage was leader when Ukip quadrupled their best ever GE score last week
How many times has he been leader and UKIP went nowhere?
The collapse of the LibDem's as a protest vote and the rising concerns over immigration gave UKIP the increased votes, not Farage.
More to the point, can Farage take them any further... probably not.
Ah somebody has actually said it!
Just like a Tottenham fan when Redknapp was finishing 4th and getting to the 1/4 finals of the champions league
But finishing 4th gets you Champions League entry.
What does finishing 4th get you here? Not even a single MP bar a defector. Either you surely want to go further, or what's the point?
You're missing the point... That is about as good as it gets for spurs, but they had idea above their station and were greedy. Now they don't get close those heights any longer... They didn't know how good they had it
Look I understand you would rather Farage were not Ukip leader, I would be the same if I were you... But there is really no need to dress it up any more than that
I honestly couldn't care less who is leader of UKIP. I don't mean to be rude but its a joke party that took a fraction of the protest votes that were available. There isn't another election coming for five years now and whether Farage stays or goes now, the odds of him still being there five years from now are slim to nil. If he is, he will be incredibly tired and the party truly would be a personality cult. Furthermore I'm not arrogant enough to suspect that what I say has any bearing whatsoever on if he stays or goes. Like you, what I write I mean. I'm honest too.
I couldn't care less who is leader of conservative labour greens or lib dems, funnily enough that means I don't get into arguments with people who support that party about it or post about it as if anyone cares what I think
I like politics. That's why I post on a politics website. This is entertaining.
Patrick O'Flynn: Death waits you! You have made a covenant with death, and with Hell you are in agreement. You're all going to die! Don't you realise? Can't you see? You're all going to die! Die! Death awaits you all!
Same here, about 3 in the morning for no reason the price drifted to 13, couldn't believe it, after the Swindon South result I though they were on for a majority.
Yes, that too. And 1.6 later when it was really 1.02. Far too many punters just using the on-screen projections which I believe were still showing 325.
In fairness, for BF to settle Conmaj, it had to be >=327 (326+Bercow)
£5 @ 5.0 and £200 at 1.5 on the night on Con Majority.
It was utterly pathetically timid. Especially considering I had Con minority covered for ~ £400 more profit.
That same timidity probably meant you limited your stakes on the losing bets, too.
So long as you cleared an overall profit, your judgement was sound. In my experience, successful betting is as much about correctly judging your stake sizes as it is about winning bets.
Cumbernauld Kilsyth was my biggest single constituency stake, had hundreds of pounds spread over safe Con seats and Con-LD targets too.
My best caution was on Farage where I covered both him and McKinlay. Rebacking Labour in Hallam was entirely correct - that was never a 1-3.
Farage was leader when Ukip quadrupled their best ever GE score last week
How many times has he been leader and UKIP went nowhere?
The collapse of the LibDem's as a protest vote and the rising concerns over immigration gave UKIP the increased votes, not Farage.
More to the point, can Farage take them any further... probably not.
Ah somebody has actually said it!
Just like a Tottenham fan when Redknapp was finishing 4th and getting to the 1/4 finals of the champions league
But finishing 4th gets you Champions League entry.
What does finishing 4th get you here? Not even a single MP bar a defector. Either you surely want to go further, or what's the point?
You're missing the point... That is about as good as it gets for spurs, but they had idea above their station and were greedy. Now they don't get close those heights any longer... They didn't know how good they had it
Look I understand you would rather Farage were not Ukip leader, I would be the same if I were you... But there is really no need to dress it up any more than that
I honestly couldn't care less who is leader of UKIP. I don't mean to be rude but its a joke party that took a fraction of the protest votes that were available. There isn't another election coming for five years now and whether Farage stays or goes now, the odds of him still being there five years from now are slim to nil. If he is, he will be incredibly tired and the party truly would be a personality cult. Furthermore I'm not arrogant enough to suspect that what I say has any bearing whatsoever on if he stays or goes. Like you, what I write I mean. I'm honest too.
I couldn't care less who is leader of conservative labour greens or lib dems, funnily enough that means I don't get into arguments with people who support that party about it or post about it as if anyone cares what I think
I like politics. That's why I post on a politics website. This is entertaining.
Roger Knapman, the former Ukip leader and former Tory MP, said: “He cannot take up and put down the leadership crown at will. It is time for the party members to have the opportunity to say whether or not they think there should be a leadership election … It is time for the party to express a view on this.”
“I am worried about the fact the NEC can be cajoaled rather easily if a good speech is made to it.”
He said the referendum needs a someone a “little less controversial” to lead the campaign for out and Douglas Carswell would be “pivotal”.
He said Ukip should “certainly not” take the Short Money at the centre of the row.
The prime minister has appointed former adviser Andrew Dunlop to be the new junior minister at the Scotland Office. Mr Dunlop was an adviser to David Cameron during the independence referendum. He was also working with Conservative Party HQ when the poll tax was introduced under Margaret Thatcher. Mr Dunlop has been given a peerage and will sit in the Lords. The SNP described his appointment and the peerage as "scandalous".
Oh dear me. Tories at 14 per cent and going down. Revive the Party by enobling the genius behind the Poll Tax! Ruth Davidson must be tearing her hair out!
The prime minister has appointed former adviser Andrew Dunlop to be the new junior minister at the Scotland Office. Mr Dunlop was an adviser to David Cameron during the independence referendum. He was also working with Conservative Party HQ when the poll tax was introduced under Margaret Thatcher. Mr Dunlop has been given a peerage and will sit in the Lords. The SNP described his appointment and the peerage as "scandalous".
Oh dear me. Tories at 14 per cent and going down. Revive the Party by enobling the genius behind the Poll Tax! Ruth Davidson must be tearing her hair out!
What is scandalous about this particular appointment? I'm sure lot of people worked at CCHQ in 1989.
Roger Knapman, the former Ukip leader and former Tory MP, said: “He cannot take up and put down the leadership crown at will. It is time for the party members to have the opportunity to say whether or not they think there should be a leadership election … It is time for the party to express a view on this.”
“I am worried about the fact the NEC can be cajoaled rather easily if a good speech is made to it.”
He said the referendum needs a someone a “little less controversial” to lead the campaign for out and Douglas Carswell would be “pivotal”.
He said Ukip should “certainly not” take the Short Money at the centre of the row.
He won the leadership election last October and the next one is in 2018
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The only predictions worth taking any notice of whatsoever are where someone does the opposite - ie predicting their own party will lose etc.
Like Bob Sykes!
Harsh! The Herd have had a whip-round and bought Bob a new strap-on spine....
He's all better now.
I assumed the polls over the last couple of years were right. That's all!
I wasn't the only one....
And I'm a bit pissed off with the pollsters too. I had a pretty sound record on here and they've made me look a bit stupid for being taken in. I also offended JackW (although I still think it was flukish good luck rather than judgement), and besmirched a PM who in little over a fortnight transformed himself from a chillaxing essay-crisiser to a triumphant man of people enjoying possibly the most spectacular election triumph since Atlee's.
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Yes. Thanks.
I shall do some exploring. It gets a bit repetitive otherwise, with 50 shades of grey.
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Mine are showing 1 deep in the Vanilla profile but recently I have the "joy" of opened multi level quotes. FFS.
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Mine are showing 1 deep but recntly I have the "joy" of opened multi level quotes. FFS.
Now that you mention it I think I am seeing more levels than I used to. Perhaps a default has been changed?
The prime minister has appointed former adviser Andrew Dunlop to be the new junior minister at the Scotland Office. Mr Dunlop was an adviser to David Cameron during the independence referendum. He was also working with Conservative Party HQ when the poll tax was introduced under Margaret Thatcher. Mr Dunlop has been given a peerage and will sit in the Lords. The SNP described his appointment and the peerage as "scandalous".
Oh dear me. Tories at 14 per cent and going down. Revive the Party by enobling the genius behind the Poll Tax! Ruth Davidson must be tearing her hair out!
"Brave, Prime Minister" - as Sir Humphrey might have said....
The prime minister has appointed former adviser Andrew Dunlop to be the new junior minister at the Scotland Office. Mr Dunlop was an adviser to David Cameron during the independence referendum. He was also working with Conservative Party HQ when the poll tax was introduced under Margaret Thatcher. Mr Dunlop has been given a peerage and will sit in the Lords. The SNP described his appointment and the peerage as "scandalous".
Oh dear me. Tories at 14 per cent and going down. Revive the Party by enobling the genius behind the Poll Tax! Ruth Davidson must be tearing her hair out!
What is scandalous about this particular appointment? I'm sure lot of people worked at CCHQ in 1989.
They showed a young Cameron emerging from Smith Square on the day Thatcher resigned on Newsnight the other day.
My prediction is they will lose Kassam and the other bod.
Once all the pawns have been taken the king is very exposed.
Ooh SeanT has a rival!
Look, I agree with you that Farage has helped get to 4 million supporters. But it looks like he's not the right leader for the party now. Not to mention the referendum issue.
We have to agree to disagree. There is no one close in the party to replace him
It really is like wenger/Mourinho/fergie/curbs/clough leaving their club
I know you, and most people on here, aren't Ukip supporters and want them to do badly, so obv hope stands down... And as always on here, people say what they want to happen, then go round the houses justifying it so it sounds logical and unbiased. But the truth is that Farage is Ukips biggest asset
This is to argue that Blair should still be leading Labour because he was an asset in the past.
Just to clear up a couple of points:
Clough (who may be the closest footballing analogue to Farage, though not politically of course) oversaw a fair amount of mediocrity at Forest toward the end, and really should've gone sooner. Forest have averaged over a manager a year since he went, with only Frank Clark bringing real success (3rd in the Premier League, believe it or not). however, Mourinho-less Chelsea still managed to win plenty without him.
On Spurs/Redknapp - yes he got them in 4th, but that was before City got a megabucks team assembled and 4th place was up for grabs (see also Moyes/Everton) - now the top 4 are basically a cartel with the odd occasional incursion, whihc makes it much harder for Spurs under any manager to break in.
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Yes. Thanks.
I shall do some exploring. It gets a bit repetitive otherwise, with 50 shades of grey.
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We should spare a thought for those kippers that adopted the new religion of kipperdom just as the new messiah Farage creates splits in the kippers own Judean People Front. Watching their idols become mere mortals is inevitable but sad.
Something that the Lechlade Group in UKIP learned many years ago.
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It's like Anthea Turner complaining that Grant Bovey's an adulterer.
I wonder how Richard Desmond feels now about his pre-election contribution to the Joke Party.
In fact, maybe I won't miss out on value given that Con majority was available at 10/1 or more this time round less than 12 hours before it actually happened!
They'd have more, almost certain
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Farage was leader when Ukip quadrupled their best ever GE score last week
So who does she think she is damaging so that they won't get enough nominations either?
How many times has he been leader and UKIP went nowhere?
The collapse of the LibDem's as a protest vote and the rising concerns over immigration gave UKIP the increased votes, not Farage.
So much value was available in the last few months - and especially the last week of the campaign - that it made sense to hold on to your betting bank.
I've basically already booked off work the first week in May 2020 and expect to be going on a *MASSIVE* betting spree.
GE 2010 - Staked ~£3k, profit £6.47
Indyref - Staked ~£1.5k, profit ~£800
GE 2015 - Staked ~£12k, Profit £5700
Bookies, watch out.
I really like Mary Creagh, the only half-decent Shadow SecofState at Dfid in the MIliband era. But not going to get 35 MPs.
Just like a Tottenham fan when Redknapp was finishing 4th and getting to the 1/4 finals of the champions league
What does finishing 4th get you here? Not even a single MP bar a defector. Either you surely want to go further, or what's the point?
"In 2002 Creagh instigated an investigation into cronyism in the appointment of the Islington Council Chief Executive by five Liberal Democrats councillors. After the longest ever investigation by the Standards Board for England her complaint was rejected. Creagh was criticised by the Tribunal as "heavily influenced by her political motives" and that she was an "insensitive witness, lacking in balanced judgment and one who was prepared to make assumptions about honesty and integrity of others without any proper basis."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Creagh
That kind of moral certainty and superiority are essential characteristics for those that want to progress in Labour.
I was extremely unimpressed with her determination not to immediately answer Evan Davis's quick litmus test questions in order to instead churn out what were undoubtedly pre-prepared lines.
Yes, she has good ideas and would attempt to make the party more electable.
But she sounded like a trainee who had learnt some pre-prepared lines and was just determined to recite them in order to (attempt to) impress the boss.
It wasn't good enough for someone putting themselves forward to be PM.
Look I understand you would rather Farage were not Ukip leader, I would be the same if I were you... But there is really no need to dress it up any more than that
Next general election the SNP threat will be there and the Lib Dems will be snapping up protest votes they lost this time. The BNP aren't coming back.
It's like 90% of "predictions" posted on here - they aren't actually predictions at all.
Instead of someone posting:
"I want Party X to do well and I hope Party Leader Y will get into trouble"
The poster dresses it up as:
"I predict Party X will do well and predict Party leader Y will get into trouble"
The only predictions worth taking any notice of whatsoever are where someone does the opposite - ie predicting their own party will lose etc.
Just a theory. Maybe it was the big society wot won it
It was utterly pathetically timid. Especially considering I had Con minority covered for ~ £400 more profit.
Who do we have so far, Mary (possible), Yvette, Chukka, Andy and Liz?
Anyone care to set them out in left / right order for the uninitiated like me?
He's all better now.
Without the medals.
So long as you cleared an overall profit, your judgement was sound. In my experience, successful betting is as much about correctly judging your stake sizes as it is about winning bets.
Looks bad in the newspapers and upsets voters at their breakfast.
Have you never rubbernecked a car crash?
UKIPalypse now?
My best caution was on Farage where I covered both him and McKinlay. Rebacking Labour in Hallam was entirely correct - that was never a 1-3.
No I've not rubbernecked a car crash
Who has fallen out with whom today in the UKIP nursery....not so much.
But, hey, carry on. Some are clearly seeing the humour in it.
I wasn't the only one....
(or was that the wrong film??)
"My God, can't you see it's all over? You're bloody egos don't matter any more. We're dead!"
Mr Dunlop was an adviser to David Cameron during the independence referendum.
He was also working with Conservative Party HQ when the poll tax was introduced under Margaret Thatcher.
Mr Dunlop has been given a peerage and will sit in the Lords. The SNP described his appointment and the peerage as "scandalous".
Oh dear me. Tories at 14 per cent and going down. Revive the Party by enobling the genius behind the Poll Tax! Ruth Davidson must be tearing her hair out!
http://www.newstatesman.com/helen-lewis/2015/05/do-you-miss-lib-dems-yet-dont-worry-you-will
More baby eating nonsense than your average leftie hack.
I shall do some exploring. It gets a bit repetitive otherwise, with 50 shades of grey.
In the meantime, it would be helpful if people edited out the nested quotes and just left the most recent one when they reply to posts.
Wonder if the SNP knew about that?
“gloatasm” – Oh goody, what’s happened while I was away?
Clough (who may be the closest footballing analogue to Farage, though not politically of course) oversaw a fair amount of mediocrity at Forest toward the end, and really should've gone sooner. Forest have averaged over a manager a year since he went, with only Frank Clark bringing real success (3rd in the Premier League, believe it or not). however, Mourinho-less Chelsea still managed to win plenty without him.
On Spurs/Redknapp - yes he got them in 4th, but that was before City got a megabucks team assembled and 4th place was up for grabs (see also Moyes/Everton) - now the top 4 are basically a cartel with the odd occasional incursion, whihc makes it much harder for Spurs under any manager to break in.
Perhaps the football man Farage most resembles is former-fellow-MEP Gigi Becali: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigi_Becali
Conservative 32.6%
Liberal 30.9%
NDP 22.6%
Green 7.5%
BQ 4.5%
Others 2.0%
http://www.threehundredeight.com/
Something that the Lechlade Group in UKIP learned many years ago.