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The Survation poll for the Daily Record is out now. The majority of the polling was conducted after the YouGov poll that had Yes ahead was published, but before Cameron, Clegg and Miliband had their sojourn in Scotland.
Lets hope Cameron's visit today doesn't fook it up
Bit early to say anything conclusive. As Mike has said, polling in referendums is a pollsters' nightmare. How do you account for previous voting record? In 1707 there wasn't a referendum.
Rumour has it the Yes/SNP leaked it to the draw the sting
I don't really understand that logic... what difference will a few hours make?
It would have dominated the newspapers and news cycles, this way, it is already old news by the morning
'No' in lead could actually help 'Yes', even if the pollsters turn out to be wrong. I'm not in Scotland, but I get the impression that the 'Yes' supporters are a tad more likely to actually turn out on the day. If No in lead, might lead a tiny % of 'Noes' to not make the journey to ballot.
Rumour has it the Yes/SNP leaked it to the draw the sting
I don't really understand that logic... what difference will a few hours make?
Also it is simply stupid, if they did. Because YES have a big triumphant rally in George Sq tonight, which will now look embarrassing and premature.
So far we've had, what, a dozen posts seriously discussing a completely unsubstantiated rumour of who leaked rumours of the much rumoured about poll. Is everyone not all rumoured out? I might go play some Fleetwood Mac now.
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Miss Plato, given the savaging Thacker, Wright and the current and ex-chief constables got the other day, and that news, it's got a long, long way to run. I'm somewhat surprised there hasn't been rioting or other violence.
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@SeanT "So people are hearing this stuff hours before others, and the opportunities for making a killing on the currency and betting markets must be large. "
Similar to the stock markets? (yes they are regulated, but nothing is illegal until you are caught)
Mr. StClare, on Look North last night a woman who did an investigation about a decade ago was told to shut up. She was visited by men who warned her if she didn't keep quiet her address would be given to the grooming gangs.
The silly Cyberunionist NO campaign is full of negatives IMHO.
"The Scots are too stupid to rule themselves" "The Scots are too poor to rule themselves" "The Scots are too anti-English to rule themselves" "HM The Queen will have a heart attack and die if the Scots vote yes" "Scotland will immediately be consumed by the ocean if they vote yes" "There will be all-out global thermonuclear war if the Scots vote yes" "The Sun will go Nova and destroy the entire solar system if the Scots vote yes"
Miss Plato, given the savaging Thacker, Wright and the current and ex-chief constables got the other day, and that news, it's got a long, long way to run. I'm somewhat surprised there hasn't been rioting or other violence.
But it makes sense, as all the scares about mortgages, pensions, jobs, currency, bank deposits, have suddenly become VERY real as the markets have got spooked. It's been all over the papers.
And we know women are more risk-averse than men, so they are more likely to be spooked by this stuff.
I have had some twitter exchanges today with a Yes supporter, who still reckons the statement from Standard Life was scaremongering, and they were bluffing.
TSE: "For me this is without doubt the most exciting time in British politics since the election that never was"
It's astonishing, in terms of implications, but I think it's hard to beat the novelty and the many twists and turns of the period between close of polls at GE2010 and Cameron entering No 10 however many days later. Nobody knew what was going to happen from one day to the next!
He was a super source for polling info before embargo - and had to be very careful about when he told us/only when we were running off in the wrong direction.
Didn't he work for the security services? Or BBC Monitoring at one time?
@Bottom_To_Top: Alex Salmond says he can finance the Socialist EU State of Scotland if oil prices remain above $100 a barrel. Oops. http://t.co/gRLb1zaeuT
But it makes sense, as all the scares about mortgages, pensions, jobs, currency, bank deposits, have suddenly become VERY real as the markets have got spooked. It's been all over the papers.
And we know women are more risk-averse than men, so they are more likely to be spooked by this stuff.
I have had some twitter exchanges today with a Yes supporter, who still reckons the statement from Standard Life was scaremongering, and they were bluffing.
Of course she lives in London...
I thought that was a fatuously stupid remark by Salmond "Standard Life are lying", is what he said, in effect. He callied their statement "Nonsense" and "scaremongering".
Scaremongering. Again. Can he really use this word all the way through to Sept 18?
He should have said Yes a few tiny offices may go but with lower corporation tax they will be back in a week.
Mr. Sykes, that period was remarkable and also hilarious because the useless journalists, torn from the teat of leaks and party spin, had no sodding clue what was going on in the negotiations.
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Still holds true when looking at any "indy" poll, the passion for "yes" remains far higher than for "no", which will show in turnout, (by how much is anyone's guess)
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TSE: "For me this is without doubt the most exciting time in British politics since the election that never was"
It's astonishing, in terms of implications, but I think it's hard to beat the novelty and the many twists and turns of the period between close of polls at GE2010 and Cameron entering No 10 however many days later. Nobody knew what was going to happen from one day to the next!
I still think this is more interesting, the outcome of this will determine the fate of the greatest and most important political union in history
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Looking at this from abroad over the past few days, Labour really do look like a bunch of dead ducks. There must be concerns about next year, whatever the polls say.
These are supposed to be their heartlands. They are meant to deliver motivated labour working class votes by the boatload to give no a resounding win, spurred on by their leader.
Britain Elects @britainelects 7m All #IndyRef polls are within the margin of error of swinging it either way. To say it'll be close is an understatement.
A very wise tweet. It would beholden all of us to calm down and collect our winnings daily, quietly. Of course those in the know seldom lose. I still believe that NO will do it, just.
Did anyone else see the North Korean style welcome for Kim Jong Eck on the campaign trail this morning, before business leaders and pollsters started pissing on his chips?
Britain Elects @britainelects 7m All #IndyRef polls are within the margin of error of swinging it either way. To say it'll be close is an understatement.
A very wise tweet. It would beholden all of us to calm down and collect our winnings daily, quietly. Of course those in the know seldom lose. I still believe that NO will do it, just.
Hm, the margin of error is not uniform distribution between the lower and upper bounds, it is more probable to be within the central region of the margin of error, than outside. A poll at No 53, Y 47, is much more likely to be a No lead than a Yes lead.
Miss Plato, given the savaging Thacker, Wright and the current and ex-chief constables got the other day, and that news, it's got a long, long way to run. I'm somewhat surprised there hasn't been rioting or other violence.
Have been wondering if the social services in Rochdale & Rotherham had had some common training providers, likewise Gtr Manchester and South Yorks Polis. The lack of purpose is worrying.
In any case some of the votes in Heywood & Middleton might wonder if their council is as useless as that in Rotherham.
@SeanT No, there has, and always will be a level of passion for independence that is not reflected in most of the pro unionists. This has been so since I was old enough to attend my first "count". How much difference it will make is down to the usual factors, but make no mistake, it is there.
Dr. Spyn, lack of purpose is charitable in the extreme to South Yorkshire police.
Mr. Eagles, when Rome fell almost all Europe fell into centuries of Dark Ages. The Empire, and its previous political incarnations, also set up some fundamental aspects of law, improved learning, trade, education and was very significant in dragging mankind from barbarity towards civilisation.
The Eastern Empire also helped protect Europe, during the Dark Ages, from being overrun by caliphates or Turks. But for Byzantium the whole continent could have fallen.
He was a super source for polling info before embargo - and had to be very careful about when he told us/only when we were running off in the wrong direction.
Didn't he work for the security services? Or BBC Monitoring at one time?
I seem to remember Don, or at least I think it was he, letting us know about the expenses scandal story (Telegraph got the CD of expenses) before it broke, and that was a massive political story.
Lets hope Cameron's visit today doesn't fook it up
You might want to check the fieldwork dates.
The majority of the polling was conducted after the YouGov poll but before the Cameron visit wasnt it?
What an idiot! The most likely explanation is that YG got it wrong. Take your party political specs off and focus!
So do you think there has been any rebound to no in the past few days.
Do you not think Brown is popular among the Labour swing vote that will decide this.
Do you not think Scots despise the Tories
If not you are the idiot
Nearly half a million Scots vote Tory. Around 35% of Scots Labour voters are trending Yes. You're playing around with Westminster politics which has caused this problem. Labour are sxxt scared of losing their Scottish fiefdom. Not a shred of evidence that big Gordo has changed the polling apart from your pathetic wishful thinking.
Oh, I'd forgotten that. What a scandal that was at the time.
It seems so passe now. I still can't get over Anthony Sheen [?] intv when he compared his house to Balmoral - shame that full intv has gone from YTube.
He was a super source for polling info before embargo - and had to be very careful about when he told us/only when we were running off in the wrong direction.
Didn't he work for the security services? Or BBC Monitoring at one time?
I seem to remember Don, or at least I think it was he, letting us know about the expenses scandal story (Telegraph got the CD of expenses) before it broke, and that was a massive political story.
Oh, I'd forgotten that. What a scandal that was at the time.
It seems so passe now. I still can't get over Anthony Sheen [?] intv when he compared his house to Balmoral - shame that full intv has gone from YTube.
It all seems quite petty now, by each morning's Telegraph was a hoot for weeks on end as the details dripped out. "What the hell is a duck house?" "Moat cleaning?"
Lets hope Cameron's visit today doesn't fook it up
You might want to check the fieldwork dates.
The majority of the polling was conducted after the YouGov poll but before the Cameron visit wasnt it?
What an idiot! The most likely explanation is that YG got it wrong. Take your party political specs off and focus!
So do you think there has been any rebound to no in the past few days.
Do you not think Brown is popular among the Labour swing vote that will decide this.
Do you not think Scots despise the Tories
If not you are the idiot
2010 general election. SNP 491,000 19.9%, Tories: 412,000 `16.7% all of 2.4% less of . You could equally ask "Do you not think Scots despise the SNP", in fact after this weeks events I suspect quite a few do. There might well be some surprises come 2015 in rural scottish seats where tories were 2nd in 2010. A little wager on places like Angus, Banff, Moray and Perth, as well as the libdem lowland and border seats might not be such a bad idea.
I can't help but wonder if 'yes' have convinced everyone they're going to convince. I know 'shy unionist' and 'cybernat' or 'scotnat' have become clichés of this campaign, but what I feel, living here, is that there's a definite inequality of viewpoint. It's only my very anecdotal experience. In the office, Yes is noisily endorsed, and No is muttered between supporters when they leave the room. Yes is plastered over all the windows and No is vandalised and ripped up where some brave soul has tried it. Alex Salmond walks around receiving adulation, No campaigners get barricaded in pubs. Yes supporters spam your facebook feed with every bit of drivel with a yes slant, No supporters are registered with an unexpected 'like' for something with a No slant. As we near the finishing post I'm seeing more callousness, and carelessness in expressing their views from some Yes supporters too. I find this faintly oppressive, and perhaps others do to? Perhaps they're getting tired of being harangued? I appreciate it's not in line with the polling, so it's probably wishful thinking.
Oh, I'd forgotten that. What a scandal that was at the time.
It seems so passe now. I still can't get over Anthony Sheen [?] intv when he compared his house to Balmoral - shame that full intv has gone from YTube.
He was a super source for polling info before embargo - and had to be very careful about when he told us/only when we were running off in the wrong direction.
Didn't he work for the security services? Or BBC Monitoring at one time?
I seem to remember Don, or at least I think it was he, letting us know about the expenses scandal story (Telegraph got the CD of expenses) before it broke, and that was a massive political story.
Ah there you are @Plato sorry been away for a couple of weeks but wanted to say that I am now at the end of S2 of Scandal and as you say it's not short of twists and turns - I agree with the assessment: bonkers but it works!
Scotland? Haven't followed this thread but the crying shame is that the implications are huge but, put simply, they are unexplainable to the man on the Edinburgh tram and that's no insult to the man on the Edinburgh tram.
How are random members of the public supposed to know the difference between currency union and dollarisation and partial dollarisation and currency board or the implications of having a banks' insurance fund or lender of last resort or...or...or...
It is too much to ask which leaves emotion (the "FREEDOM" argument). And that's fine but there is a cost to that decision and I don't think anyone is getting what that is and for how long it will last.
Betting wise, and apols if I am the 2057th person to say it but surely No must be hugely good value at any price?
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Thank you to those who sent kind messages.
Mrs JackW
Edinburgh too much for him , slipped on his astroturf and burst his ARSE no doubt
This poll comes as some relief and I am glad the pound has firmed up to £1=$1.61 USD. I thought the fall would continue today but this firming in the pound occured before 1pm, so I assume somebody leaked the numbers.
However, we still have the ICM poll on the weekend and, of course, the vote itself next week.
My finances become difficult at £1= $1.55, and too difficult at £1=$1.50. So I am keen to insulate myself against a bad fall. I thought of placing some money with IGIndex in one of their newfangled online dealing thingies (I have an account but I'm too afraid to touch it - FLASHING LIGHTS! TECHNOLOGY! BAD!) and may still do so, but I thought I'd see if there were alternatives first.
So. I need to insure myself against a GBP fall to $1.50USD, and ideally to $1.55USD. Other than IGIndex and other online spread betting forums, can anybody suggest a method?
18.45 Mumsnet, the website where political careers go to die, has given its verdict on Alex Salmond vs Alistair Darling. Mr Salmond came off worse, judging from the comments which said his answers were "patronising" and "disingenuous".
"It seems to me on balance that Mumsnetters are NOT in favour of independence as a result of the ongoing lack of clarity, and a deeply held suspicion that Salmond is attempting to blinker the truth," said one user.
"Mr Salmond, your tone is hugely, hugely patronising. You are doing yourself no favours," said another user.
"The disingenuousness over the currency and EU are flabbergasting," said a third.
"If I see the word 'scaremongering' used on more time in response to people's honest and very real worries I will throw a hissy fit my children would be proud of," another user said. "'m so utterly sick of it."
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I hear the SNP leaked the poll to draw the sting. What a shower. Record should sue them for the cost.
Too late?
Lets hope Cameron's visit today doesn't fook it up
Mr. Rottenborough, that's like saying a date went very well, until the restaurant caught fire.
Mr. T, premature jubilation is perhaps to be expected for a man of Salmond's age
FPT2: Mr. Me, cheers. Sensible policies for a happier Britain!
On-topic: gosh, isn't it exciting?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fBxvVgbyO_msx2eJxVbUlh6MubdD4-fZ-UIBFkwNIaI/edit#gid=0
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-29144266
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/scottish-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=1898230
Where's Stuart Dickson?
It's a kind of insider trading - but is it illegal?
I apologize for interrupting your discussions but in response to messages and emails from members of the pb site we've been advised today that my husband will be fit to return home this weekend for a period of convalescence.
Thank you to those who sent kind messages.
Mrs JackW
Miss Plato, given the savaging Thacker, Wright and the current and ex-chief constables got the other day, and that news, it's got a long, long way to run. I'm somewhat surprised there hasn't been rioting or other violence.
"So people are hearing this stuff hours before others, and the opportunities for making a killing on the currency and betting markets must be large. "
Similar to the stock markets? (yes they are regulated, but nothing is illegal until you are caught)
The figure for the 65+ age group is NO by 61%.
Can you imagine how funny it will be if the 16 and 17 year olds enfranchised by Salmond save the Union?
[The exact percentages are 61.26% vs 61.11% but there's no point in telling you which figure is for which age group.]
Mr. StClare, on Look North last night a woman who did an investigation about a decade ago was told to shut up. She was visited by men who warned her if she didn't keep quiet her address would be given to the grooming gangs.
"The Scots are too stupid to rule themselves"
"The Scots are too poor to rule themselves"
"The Scots are too anti-English to rule themselves"
"HM The Queen will have a heart attack and die if the Scots vote yes"
"Scotland will immediately be consumed by the ocean if they vote yes"
"There will be all-out global thermonuclear war if the Scots vote yes"
"The Sun will go Nova and destroy the entire solar system if the Scots vote yes"
Er, you get the picture!
Of course she lives in London...
Is this a turnip free thread?
Keep him away from the brandy, even if he claims it is "medicinal" ;-)
It's astonishing, in terms of implications, but I think it's hard to beat the novelty and the many twists and turns of the period between close of polls at GE2010 and Cameron entering No 10 however many days later. Nobody knew what was going to happen from one day to the next!
He was a super source for polling info before embargo - and had to be very careful about when he told us/only when we were running off in the wrong direction.
Didn't he work for the security services? Or BBC Monitoring at one time?
Do you not think Brown is popular among the Labour swing vote that will decide this.
Do you not think Scots despise the Tories
If not you are the idiot
Px
These are supposed to be their heartlands. They are meant to deliver motivated labour working class votes by the boatload to give no a resounding win, spurred on by their leader.
But that is certainly not happening.
I thought he was on holiday.
Hope all goes well Jack
All #IndyRef polls are within the margin of error of swinging it either way. To say it'll be close is an understatement.
A very wise tweet. It would beholden all of us to calm down and collect our winnings daily, quietly. Of course those in the know seldom lose. I still believe that NO will do it, just.
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Did anyone else see the North Korean style welcome for Kim Jong Eck on the campaign trail this morning, before business leaders and pollsters started pissing on his chips?
Think of the size and scope of British Empire to The Roman Empire, we helped end slavery.
It also helped us win two world wars.
I just couldn't place him - then again he was painted blue in X-Men
In any case some of the votes in Heywood & Middleton might wonder if their council is as useless as that in Rotherham.
http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/07/01/why-do-polls-scotland-vary-so-much/
@LynseySharp: To all the haterz sending me abuse....... http://t.co/1ztQzpQBY9
Nasty, Nasty, Nat ****wits
No, there has, and always will be a level of passion for independence that is not reflected in most of the pro unionists. This has been so since I was old enough to attend my first "count".
How much difference it will make is down to the usual factors, but make no mistake, it is there.
Mr. Eagles, when Rome fell almost all Europe fell into centuries of Dark Ages. The Empire, and its previous political incarnations, also set up some fundamental aspects of law, improved learning, trade, education and was very significant in dragging mankind from barbarity towards civilisation.
The Eastern Empire also helped protect Europe, during the Dark Ages, from being overrun by caliphates or Turks. But for Byzantium the whole continent could have fallen.
Yoonyoonist turnip
It seems so passe now. I still can't get over Anthony Sheen [?] intv when he compared his house to Balmoral - shame that full intv has gone from YTube.
@rupertmurdoch: What happened to the Scottish Enlightenment? US owes more to it than England. How would Salmond rule?
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While trying to cut the Scots Chancellor created deficit with overly-severe-austerity, according to the likes of you!
Did you read what I wrote? I wrote that Brown & Darling had borrowed more than 8% of the debt; do you think that's wrong?
It is a moronic question from a moron.
Scotland? Haven't followed this thread but the crying shame is that the implications are huge but, put simply, they are unexplainable to the man on the Edinburgh tram and that's no insult to the man on the Edinburgh tram.
How are random members of the public supposed to know the difference between currency union and dollarisation and partial dollarisation and currency board or the implications of having a banks' insurance fund or lender of last resort or...or...or...
It is too much to ask which leaves emotion (the "FREEDOM" argument). And that's fine but there is a cost to that decision and I don't think anyone is getting what that is and for how long it will last.
Betting wise, and apols if I am the 2057th person to say it but surely No must be hugely good value at any price?
Anybody know why?
However, we still have the ICM poll on the weekend and, of course, the vote itself next week.
My finances become difficult at £1= $1.55, and too difficult at £1=$1.50. So I am keen to insulate myself against a bad fall. I thought of placing some money with IGIndex in one of their newfangled online dealing thingies (I have an account but I'm too afraid to touch it - FLASHING LIGHTS! TECHNOLOGY! BAD!) and may still do so, but I thought I'd see if there were alternatives first.
So. I need to insure myself against a GBP fall to $1.50USD, and ideally to $1.55USD. Other than IGIndex and other online spread betting forums, can anybody suggest a method?
Where is Miliband trusted and respected? He's meant to be the leader of a government in waiting, campaigning in one of his power bases.
And yet Miliband is not much more than a bit part player in all this. He's irrelevant.
18.45 Mumsnet, the website where political careers go to die, has given its verdict on Alex Salmond vs Alistair Darling. Mr Salmond came off worse, judging from the comments which said his answers were "patronising" and "disingenuous".
"It seems to me on balance that Mumsnetters are NOT in favour of independence as a result of the ongoing lack of clarity, and a deeply held suspicion that Salmond is attempting to blinker the truth," said one user.
"Mr Salmond, your tone is hugely, hugely patronising. You are doing yourself no favours," said another user.
"The disingenuousness over the currency and EU are flabbergasting," said a third.
"If I see the word 'scaremongering' used on more time in response to people's honest and very real worries I will throw a hissy fit my children would be proud of," another user said. "'m so utterly sick of it."