At the quaint belief that we can rewind the clock back to a 1950's Britain, and that your actions will actually end up having the opposite effect to what is being wished for.
All those MEP's who want urgent and drastic reform of the EU, but can't be bothered to turn up and represent their constituents make me smile too.
Except of course none of us want to wind the clock back to the 1950s. That is just a myth perpetuated by the terminally bewildered, out of touch dinosaurs like yourself. We are looking forward and out to the rest of the world whilst you are still lost in the mire of the European backwater.
Nor do UKIP MEPs want "urgent and drastic reform of the EU". They know it is pointless. What they want is for us to leave entirely.
I know this has been a hard night for the dinosaurs of the old parties but you might as well get used to it. Either evolve or become extinct.
'dinosaurs' - that's what I see every time fuddy, duddy Nigel's on TV in his mustard cords, supping on an old mans pint in a dingy pub. Tee hee hee.
Mr. F, must admit, I hadn't heard the boiling alive story. That is quite horrid.
Mr. Fett, given you seem outraged that an individual might not travel to London simply to admire its delights I'm not sure your view of London being hated is necessarily correct.
You claim it as an English city, its capital, and can't even take a two-hour train journey to check it out. Not even once in your life, even though you are in your thirties. If you did visit, you might actually think better of us rather than moaning about us all the time.
The reason UKIP dont do well in London is that relatively few people who live there were born there, and very few people have elderly relatives there. UKIP voters are generally people who dont like what is happening to the place they knew as home growing up, but still live nearby
If your parents or Grandparents are stuck in a place they used to love but now dont recognize, surrounded by a load of people talking a different language/all the old shops have changed, UKIP voters empathise with them and vote accordingly.
My own area is full of people who went to school here and whose families have roots here.. .no one really moves out, hence UKIP will do well
But inner London is full of newcomers (British and foreign) with no roots there who celebrate the fast pace of change, and cant get their heads round why anyone wouldnt feel the same... so they call them names!!
LOL – our favourite subject ;-)
To you, I am classed as a newcomer even though I have lived here longer than I have lived anywhere else and have started a family here. At least you'll consider my little son to be a Londoner – he was born in Shepherd's Bush!
I am not making a judgement on who is or isnt a Londoner.. that was a petty distraction from the point which is that people with family roots in an area object to a rapid pace of change more than those without any. If your parents or grandparents had lived in Shepherds Bush all their lives and were unhappy at how things have changed there you might not think it was all so wonderful, thats all.
London doesnt have many of those people compared to the rest of the country, hence UKIP dont make much of an impact. As @SouthamObserver1 said, it is another country now
Alistair Heath made the point this morning that opposition to fracking boils down to locals feeling they are not being properly compensated for disruption.
Nope, that is wrong. The opposition is visceral, very deep-rooted, and won't be swayed by argument or promises of compensation. Small, local, anti-fracking groups are very well organised, are very passionate, and are winning the argument hands-down before the other side even starts to put its case.
This is one of those issues that shows Alistair Heath, despite all his economic framing of the issues, doesn't actually know much about economics. There's very clear behavioural research that show people become even less likely to support this sort of thing in their back yard if they are offered money for it. The logic seems to be "if I'm being compensated, there must really be something wrong with it".
It's all looking very well-timed: Miliband has been exposed as a fool, but too close to the GE for it to be plausible to replace him.
He's unlucky in his enemies but lucky in his opponents. The PLP is still stuffed with the vicious, mediocre buffoons who wrecked the economy. Every one is just as stunted a pygmy as Ed Moribund.
If the Tories can win in 2015 they'll win in 2020 as well.
Or, to put it another way: if PR is the solution to political disenchantment, then surely everyone should be delighted with the coalition we have at the moment - which is exactly the kind of effect you'd get with PR. I don't see too much sign of such enthusiasm.
I've seen a fair bit of enthusiasm for the government from you, so by similarly convoluted reasoning you should be delighted with PR.
Interestingly, Good Energy provide a 20% discount on their electricity prices to people who live near to one of their wind turbine farms.
That would give me as much extra money each month as Osborne's latest increase to the personal tax allowance.
Does it work or is there still local resistance and what sort of radius to they draw. I am not sure that 20% off would be enough to persuade me.I think the radius is roughly 3km, and they are finding that there is still a fair bit of local resistance at first, but that this reduces as people either get used to the turbines or move away. They do also find local support as well - places seem to get quite split on this sort of thing.
Not sure why media and PBers are being so critical of Labour. They've done very well in London, they are gaining seats all over the country, more than UKIP and will be well over 200+. Weird Ed will defo. be PM nexy year on this swings. We Tories will be in oppo for another 5 miserable years.
For me the key takeaway from these results is this: if we do have a four party system in many parts of England now, it is going to be very difficult to say what parties *should* be doing based on what has happened in the past. What may have applied just four years ago could well be no longer applicable. I guess it all depends on how well the UKIP vote holds up - as Wells notes, this was Euro election time and UKIP's supporters were much more motivated.
There's very clear behavioural research that show people become even less likely to support this sort of thing in their back yard if they are offered money for it. The logic seems to be "if I'm being compensated, there must really be something wrong with it".
Yes, well that would make sense.
In any case the amounts of money which could realistically be offered are nothing like enough to make a difference, even if people were prepared to accept monetary compensation for loss of peace, quiet and beautiful countryside. Osborne's dad-in-law might be tactless and would no doubt be better advised to shut up, but he was actually right when he said “Spending time and money trying to bribe and cajole rural communities is a complete waste, as well as putting backs up and losing rural votes. Villages ... where homes are worth a million will be unimpressed by £100k offers.”
The only way to get fracking in rural England accepted would be to decisively win the argument that the environmental damage can be made minimal. I'm not qualified to judge whether that is in fact the case, but my point is that that argument has already been lost. It's too late.
Not sure why media and PBers are being so critical of Labour. They've done very well in London, they are gaining seats all over the country, more than UKIP and will be well over 200+. Weird Ed will defo. be PM nexy year on this swings. We Tories will be in oppo for another 5 miserable years.
Not sure that Ed will ever be PM, but I am also struggling to see why people are claiming this is a dismal performance by Labour. It strikes me as steady as she goes, with a few bright spots and a few worrisome spots. I don't see any results indicating that Labour will lose seats to anyone next year. And it seems likely that the party will make a decent number of gains. They won't win outright, but they are certainly in with a chance of being the biggest party.
I've seen a fair bit of enthusiasm for the government from you, so by similarly convoluted reasoning you should be delighted with PR.
Not really, because whilst I am very pleased with this government - the best, bar Maggie, for 50 years - it is so only because of the very precise parliamentary arithmetic. In any case, it is not clear that the tensions inherent in coalition are such that it can last beyond the very particular circumstances of immediate the post-crash period. So, yes, we were extremely lucky this time round that it worked out so well, but I certainly would count on being so lucky in future hung parliaments.
I voted Tory in the local election, and UKIP in the Euro election.
Splitter.
Damn right he's a splitter. He's splitting the An Independence From Europe vote.
As I contemplated the toilet-roll-sized Euros ballot paper last night I was depressed to see how much of its length was in consequence of all the various loony anti-prosperity parties: UKIP, NO2EU, AIFE, Labour...
Interestingly, Good Energy provide a 20% discount on their electricity prices to people who live near to one of their wind turbine farms.
That would give me as much extra money each month as Osborne's latest increase to the personal tax allowance.
Does it work or is there still local resistance and what sort of radius to they draw. I am not sure that 20% off would be enough to persuade me.
I think the radius is roughly 3km, and they are finding that there is still a fair bit of local resistance at first, but that this reduces as people either get used to the turbines or move away. They do also find local support as well - places seem to get quite split on this sort of thing.
At a distance of 3km the 125m tall turbines [to blade tip] will look about the same size as an adults outstretched thumb.
I voted Tory in the local election, and UKIP in the Euro election.
Splitter.
Damn right he's a splitter. He's splitting the An Independence From Europe vote.
As I contemplated the toilet-roll-sized Euros ballot paper last night I was depressed to see how much of its length was in consequence of all the various loony anti-prosperity parties: UKIP, NO2EU, AIFE, Labour...
UKIP are getting around 25% of the vote in traditionally strong Labour wards in Exeter. Enough to put them second, but still some distance from winning councillors.
Am I right to assume that based on the council elections declared so far, UKIP are going to storm the Euros?
Betfair doesn't seem to think so, they're at much the same price as they were yesterday. I'd rather back it today, mind, though perhaps the relative failure of UKIP London is weighing on the price?
And why are Labour slagging off Ed's Euro campaign when they don't know the results? Again, I hate the Reds but give the weirdo a chance before you vilify him.
Am I right to assume that based on the council elections declared so far, UKIP are going to storm the Euros?
Betfair doesn't seem to think so, they're at much the same price as they were yesterday. I'd rather back it today, mind, though perhaps the relative failure of UKIP London is weighing on the price?
If that's the only reason then its definitely a back.
Are Labour on 39%, Con 22, UKIP 22 or so ?
That was the expectation from the poll which lead to us all smashing into Labour there.
Am I right to assume that based on the council elections declared so far, UKIP are going to storm the Euros?
Betfair doesn't seem to think so, they're at much the same price as they were yesterday. I'd rather back it today, mind, though perhaps the relative failure of UKIP London is weighing on the price?
Re Betfair: London and add in anticipated under performance by UKIP in Scotland could explain it.
I voted Tory in the local election, and UKIP in the Euro election.
Splitter.
Damn right he's a splitter. He's splitting the An Independence From Europe vote.
As I contemplated the toilet-roll-sized Euros ballot paper last night I was depressed to see how much of its length was in consequence of all the various loony anti-prosperity parties: UKIP, NO2EU, AIFE, Labour...
Not sure that Ed will ever be PM, but I am also struggling to see why people are claiming this is a dismal performance by Labour. It strikes me as steady as she goes, with a few bright spots and a few worrisome spots. I don't see any results indicating that Labour will lose seats to anyone next year. And it seems likely that the party will make a decent number of gains. They won't win outright, but they are certainly in with a chance of being the biggest party.
Its been a good night for Labour! Some good wins in some interesting places. In other Labour heartland places UKIP have made inroads - which for me is also a good thing as various Labour one party states are awful. And the main reason why its good is the rise and rise of UKIP - the more they score in Tory seats the better for Labour. And theyre doing very well.
Remember, this is a 4 party election in a 4 party world. Comparisons to 3 party elections in a 3 party world are old hat - the challenge for both Labour and Tory hopes for the election is what impact the Kippers have on their chance of winning/retaining marginal seats. And my take on what I am seeing so far is that its better for us than the Blues. the "why haven't Labour hoovered up a bazillion seats" question seems silly - remember that the electorate hates all of us now.
But in that anti-politics hate under FPTP we will still end up with either Labour or Tory as the government regardless of how poorly they do compared to past elections. We saw Blair have a decent majority on just 35% in 2005 - I think the "winning" party will do very well to clear 33% this time. Not that national % matters when it comes to seats.
UKIP are getting around 25% of the vote in traditionally strong Labour wards in Exeter. Enough to put them second, but still some distance from winning councillors.
Lots of strong seconds for UKIP. But with FPTP second gets you nothing.
It will be interesting to see how UKIP approaches practical, council opposition to Labour in the places where it has emerged as the main challenger.
Not sure why media and PBers are being so critical of Labour. They've done very well in London, they are gaining seats all over the country, more than UKIP and will be well over 200+. Weird Ed will defo. be PM nexy year on this swings. We Tories will be in oppo for another 5 miserable years.
Oppositions ALWAYS gain seats from the governing party through mid-term local elections. It's the scale of the gains that's important and Ed Milliband is falling well short of where he should be, as he has throughout this Parliament in a variety of elections, by elections, opinion polls, etc...
That's not to say Labour can't be the largest party in a hung parliament, but nothing that's happened so far with these election results makes me change my view that the 2015 election will see Con winning the national share of the vote and securing most seats and retaining power either from another coalition or maybe a minority government.
And they're off. @JohnMannMP tells me: Labour had a tremendously ill-judged campaign, in particular the delib dec not to attack @UKIP
A more interesting question is should UKIP have stood at all -- or have they shot their bolt on local elections that have sod all to do with Europe? The risk is they have a bunch of councillors who may prove erratic and *will* have views at odds with many of their voters. Ask Nick Clegg about that.
UKIP are getting around 25% of the vote in traditionally strong Labour wards in Exeter. Enough to put them second, but still some distance from winning councillors.
Lots of strong seconds for UKIP. But with FPTP second gets you nothing.
It will be interesting to see how UKIP approaches practical, council opposition to Labour in the places where it has emerged as the main challenger.
Incorrect. 50 Seconds for UKIP will win me £50 off of Antifrank
And they're off. @JohnMannMP tells me: Labour had a tremendously ill-judged campaign, in particular the delib dec not to attack @UKIP
A more interesting question is should UKIP have stood at all -- or have they shot their bolt on local elections that have sod all to do with Europe? The risk is they have a bunch of councillors who may prove erratic and *will* have views at odds with many of their voters. Ask Nick Clegg about that.
I think UKIP (correctly) are following the Lib Dem strategy from the 90s.
Get yourself elected to the council, build up a base of activists, then take the seat at the general election.
Not sure that Ed will ever be PM, but I am also struggling to see why people are claiming this is a dismal performance by Labour. It strikes me as steady as she goes, with a few bright spots and a few worrisome spots. I don't see any results indicating that Labour will lose seats to anyone next year. And it seems likely that the party will make a decent number of gains. They won't win outright, but they are certainly in with a chance of being the biggest party.
Its been a good night for Labour! Some good wins in some interesting places. In other Labour heartland places UKIP have made inroads - which for me is also a good thing as various Labour one party states are awful. And the main reason why its good is the rise and rise of UKIP - the more they score in Tory seats the better for Labour. And theyre doing very well.
Remember, this is a 4 party election in a 4 party world. Comparisons to 3 party elections in a 3 party world are old hat - the challenge for both Labour and Tory hopes for the election is what impact the Kippers have on their chance of winning/retaining marginal seats. And my take on what I am seeing so far is that its better for us than the Blues. the "why haven't Labour hoovered up a bazillion seats" question seems silly - remember that the electorate hates all of us now.
But in that anti-politics hate under FPTP we will still end up with either Labour or Tory as the government regardless of how poorly they do compared to past elections. We saw Blair have a decent majority on just 35% in 2005 - I think the "winning" party will do very well to clear 33% this time. Not that national % matters when it comes to seats.
I agree with much of that - especially the four party bit. We don't know what Labour *should* be doing under that. If UKIP are a permanent part of the game comparisons with previous electoral cycles are pretty much pointless in terms of projecting what will happen next year from today's results.
The disparity between London and the rest of the country is really startling. Labour are apparently doing about as well in London as Blair in full pomp, while elsewhere it's below Kinnock/Foot levels.
Made even more baffling by the fact London is supposed to be one of the few places where the economic recovery is actually happening. So much for "it's the economy stupid".
Not sure that Ed will ever be PM, but I am also struggling to see why people are claiming this is a dismal performance by Labour. It strikes me as steady as she goes, with a few bright spots and a few worrisome spots. I don't see any results indicating that Labour will lose seats to anyone next year. And it seems likely that the party will make a decent number of gains. They won't win outright, but they are certainly in with a chance of being the biggest party.
Its been a good night for Labour! Some good wins in some interesting places. In other Labour heartland places UKIP have made inroads - which for me is also a good thing as various Labour one party states are awful. And the main reason why its good is the rise and rise of UKIP - the more they score in Tory seats the better for Labour. And theyre doing very well.
Remember, this is a 4 party election in a 4 party world. Comparisons to 3 party elections in a 3 party world are old hat - the challenge for both Labour and Tory hopes for the election is what impact the Kippers have on their chance of winning/retaining marginal seats. And my take on what I am seeing so far is that its better for us than the Blues. the "why haven't Labour hoovered up a bazillion seats" question seems silly - remember that the electorate hates all of us now.
But in that anti-politics hate under FPTP we will still end up with either Labour or Tory as the government regardless of how poorly they do compared to past elections. We saw Blair have a decent majority on just 35% in 2005 - I think the "winning" party will do very well to clear 33% this time. Not that national % matters when it comes to seats.
Yes. Some people seemed to have decided it was a bad night for Labour before the results came in. That includes a lot of Labour people.
Steady as she goes is about right, with some eye-catching results down in here in the People's Republic of Londonium.
UKIP are getting around 25% of the vote in traditionally strong Labour wards in Exeter. Enough to put them second, but still some distance from winning councillors.
Lots of strong seconds for UKIP. But with FPTP second gets you nothing.
It will be interesting to see how UKIP approaches practical, council opposition to Labour in the places where it has emerged as the main challenger.
That's true, but the pattern appears to be that the Labour vote is down in its strong wards, even compared to 2008, largely because of the growth of UKIP.
Potentially it puts a lot more seats in play at the next election, because the UKIP effect could be very variable.
UKIP are getting around 25% of the vote in traditionally strong Labour wards in Exeter. Enough to put them second, but still some distance from winning councillors.
Lots of strong seconds for UKIP. But with FPTP second gets you nothing.
It will be interesting to see how UKIP approaches practical, council opposition to Labour in the places where it has emerged as the main challenger.
Incorrect. 50 Seconds for UKIP will win me £50 off of Antifrank
More interesting to see whether UKIP get the opportunity to go into coalition and govern at council level.
For all the noise, there seem to be very few opportunities for them to show their capabilities.
And it will have to be quick. Kipper councillors tend to have a very short half-life. You can't run a council from a prison cell!
A downturn this morning for the Tories in Stephen Fisher's weekly projection of the 2015 GE outcome, based on UKPR's latest averaging of the polls.
He now goes (with changes from last week) as follows:
Con ......... 307 seats (-9) Lab .......... 284 seats (+10) LibDem ...... 31 seats (+1) Other .........28 seats (-2)
Total ........ 650 seats
I'm not sure how useful Fisher is. The genius of the model from its inventor's point of view is that it will never be wrong as he just tweaks it every so often, presumably he'll make the final tweaks a few days before the election.
The disparity between London and the rest of the country is really startling. Labour are apparently doing about as well in London as Blair in full pomp, while elsewhere it's below Kinnock/Foot levels.
Made even more baffling by the fact London is supposed to be one of the few places where the economic recovery is actually happening. So much for "it's the economy stupid".
It's immigration, Danny.
Sunil did a series of interesting charts a couple of years ago.
And why are Labour slagging off Ed's Euro campaign when they don't know the results? Again, I hate the Reds but give the weirdo a chance before you vilify him.
Hate is a strong word.
Labour have a long standing record of blaming the leadership for projected defeats. After all, who can remember Bob Marshall-Andrews laying into Brewers Court for his losing his seat, only to then be informed that he had held the seat...
You seem confused. The committee including cross party MSP's wrote the report and published it , that is democracy. It was not an SNP report. You are trying to conflate sour grapes with democracy and not painting a pretty picture.
I know 'facts' aren't your strong suit.....
Nationalist MSPs on a Holyrood committee examining the issue softened criticisms of the Scottish Government's stance in a major report to be published today, against the will of opposition members.
You do not seem to get the fact that a committee is made up of a number of members and the majority opinion is what is produced. Trying to say that because the minority parties did not get everything they wanted in the report as being suppression is laughable. Do you think the Tories do everything Nick Clegg tells them he wants, be serious. You have lost sight of reality with your hatred, I certainly do not expect David Cameron to implement SNP or Labour policies, why do you think it is sensible the other way round.
Which London football team probably has the most kipper voters in it's ranks ?
West Ham ?
Almost certainly
Dagenham and Redbridge may have a similar % I reckon, but obviously not as many supporters
Arsenal fans are poncy Labour types that dont know the offside rule in the main I reckon.. who didnt support them as a kid! (Myself being an exception!)
So pleased for Lewis Herbert over in Cambridge as the city turns a nice shade of red.That one has been gestating for a few years now and is a victory for persistence and hard work.
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You'd find that as soon as Miliband gets in, courtesy of UKIP, he'd withdraw that from higher rate taxpayers.
London doesnt have many of those people compared to the rest of the country, hence UKIP dont make much of an impact. As @SouthamObserver1 said, it is another country now
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And they're off. @JohnMannMP tells me: Labour had a tremendously ill-judged campaign, in particular the delib dec not to attack @UKIP
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/8840
They could and should be way more generous than that.
It's all looking very well-timed: Miliband has been exposed as a fool, but too close to the GE for it to be plausible to replace him.
He's unlucky in his enemies but lucky in his opponents. The PLP is still stuffed with the vicious, mediocre buffoons who wrecked the economy. Every one is just as stunted a pygmy as Ed Moribund.
If the Tories can win in 2015 they'll win in 2020 as well.
Labour gain 3 from Con , Green gain 1 from Con
@jimwaterson
UKIP got more votes than Labour in Rotherham. More:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/ukips-support-has-surged-and-the-old-parties-are-absolutely …
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Lab 35 +9
Con 25 -5
LD 3 -4
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/councils/E09000026
I didn't know it was that dangerous
In any case the amounts of money which could realistically be offered are nothing like enough to make a difference, even if people were prepared to accept monetary compensation for loss of peace, quiet and beautiful countryside. Osborne's dad-in-law might be tactless and would no doubt be better advised to shut up, but he was actually right when he said “Spending time and money trying to bribe and cajole rural communities is a complete waste, as well as putting backs up and losing rural votes. Villages ... where homes are worth a million will be unimpressed by £100k offers.”
The only way to get fracking in rural England accepted would be to decisively win the argument that the environmental damage can be made minimal. I'm not qualified to judge whether that is in fact the case, but my point is that that argument has already been lost. It's too late.
A tin foil hat may help.
Labour has done very well indeed with a certain type of voter in Britain's big cities.Ed plays very well with generation rent.
If there is a pattern its voters' distaste for Cameron's turquoise big state, big corporate, europhile conservatism.
Bought the blazer and old school tie yet
They'd much prefer it if I paid them nothing instead. LOL....
Cons +1
Greens +4
LD -3
Lab -3
Ukip +1
If Solihull stays Yellow at GE2015, it'll not be a good night for the Tories.
As I contemplated the toilet-roll-sized Euros ballot paper last night I was depressed to see how much of its length was in consequence of all the various loony anti-prosperity parties: UKIP, NO2EU, AIFE, Labour...
Are Labour on 39%, Con 22, UKIP 22 or so ?
That was the expectation from the poll which lead to us all smashing into Labour there.
He now goes (with changes from last week) as follows:
Con ......... 307 seats (-9)
Lab .......... 284 seats (+10)
LibDem ...... 31 seats (+1)
Other .........28 seats (-2)
Total ........ 650 seats
Remember, this is a 4 party election in a 4 party world. Comparisons to 3 party elections in a 3 party world are old hat - the challenge for both Labour and Tory hopes for the election is what impact the Kippers have on their chance of winning/retaining marginal seats. And my take on what I am seeing so far is that its better for us than the Blues. the "why haven't Labour hoovered up a bazillion seats" question seems silly - remember that the electorate hates all of us now.
But in that anti-politics hate under FPTP we will still end up with either Labour or Tory as the government regardless of how poorly they do compared to past elections. We saw Blair have a decent majority on just 35% in 2005 - I think the "winning" party will do very well to clear 33% this time. Not that national % matters when it comes to seats.
It will be interesting to see how UKIP approaches practical, council opposition to Labour in the places where it has emerged as the main challenger.
All 15 Lib Dem councillors wiped out in Brent. #Vote2014
Can I assume the result is not to your liking as you didn't state it?
That's not to say Labour can't be the largest party in a hung parliament, but nothing that's happened so far with these election results makes me change my view that the 2015 election will see Con winning the national share of the vote and securing most seats and retaining power either from another coalition or maybe a minority government.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/councils/E09000027
Tory up 9 to 39
LD down 9 to 15
And I wasn't even teasing the Senior.
It was a genuine question.
Dare I ask about Twickenham?
Get yourself elected to the council, build up a base of activists, then take the seat at the general election.
Made even more baffling by the fact London is supposed to be one of the few places where the economic recovery is actually happening. So much for "it's the economy stupid".
As could Hornchurch and Upminster!
Steady as she goes is about right, with some eye-catching results down in here in the People's Republic of Londonium.
Which London football team probably has the most kipper voters in it's ranks ?
West Ham ?
Potentially it puts a lot more seats in play at the next election, because the UKIP effect could be very variable.
For all the noise, there seem to be very few opportunities for them to show their capabilities.
And it will have to be quick. Kipper councillors tend to have a very short half-life. You can't run
a council from a prison cell!
Labour on 32%, Tories 28%.
Sunil did a series of interesting charts a couple of years ago.
He may repost them if you ask nicely.
Lib Dems could have no councillors in Lambeth by the end of the day - they ran the council until 2006 #liveblog http://ow.ly/xbd2P
Labour have a long standing record of blaming the leadership for projected defeats. After all, who can remember Bob Marshall-Andrews laying into Brewers Court for his losing his seat, only to then be informed that he had held the seat...
Dagenham and Redbridge may have a similar % I reckon, but obviously not as many supporters
Arsenal fans are poncy Labour types that dont know the offside rule in the main I reckon.. who didnt support them as a kid! (Myself being an exception!)
EDIT: Milwall is another UKIP club I agree
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/News/Elections-2014-Labour-take-control-of-Cambridge-City-Council-20140523052655.htm
Michael Savage @michaelsavage 34s
I see the Guardian have a nice behind-the-scenes piece on Labour's strategy meeting this morning:
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