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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,895
    Seems like Starmer and Kemi need another relaunch....
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,868
    edited February 3

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    TRUMP TRADE WAR UPDATE:

    Colombia: Lasted 4 hours - Trump accepts what was already offered.
    🇨🇴

    Mexico: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts worse than before.
    🇲🇽

    Canada: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts what was already agreed.
    🇨🇦

    Two-step process established:
    1. Try to look tough
    2. Just fold

    🤡

    MAGA lap it all up though.

    It's a cult.

    Even if he lost every trade battle he would still be the fucking messiah to his people. Because he tried etc etc...
    The Mail has it that it was actually Trudeau who caved in and was humiliatingly forced to pause his tariffs on the US.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14356623/canada-donald-trump-tariffs-border-trudeau.html

    Is that even a vaguely plausible reading, or are we in the realms of Alice in Wonderland here?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613
    edited February 3
    In some more encouraging news for Kemi, Yougov has the Tories just 8% behind Labour with 18-24s with Reform behind the LDs in 4th with the youngest voters.

    Yet Reform lead with 50-64s with the Tories third and the Tories lead Reform by just 2% with over 65s with Labour third with pensioners

    https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/VotingIntention_MRP_250203_w.pdf
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,648

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    TRUMP TRADE WAR UPDATE:

    Colombia: Lasted 4 hours - Trump accepts what was already offered.
    🇨🇴

    Mexico: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts worse than before.
    🇲🇽

    Canada: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts what was already agreed.
    🇨🇦

    Two-step process established:
    1. Try to look tough
    2. Just fold

    🤡

    MAGA lap it all up though.

    It's a cult.

    Even if he lost every trade battle he would still be the fucking messiah to his people. Because he tried etc etc...
    The Mail has it that it was actually Trudeau who caved in and was humiliating forced to pause his tariffs on the US.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14356623/canada-donald-trump-tariffs-border-trudeau.html

    Is that even a vaguely plausible reading, or are we in the realms of Alice in Wonderland here?
    Almost everything Canada agreed today was already agreed in 2024

    Trump did get one thing

    They will appoint a Fentanyl Czar

    Totally worth it...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,468
    edited February 3
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    TRUMP TRADE WAR UPDATE:

    Colombia: Lasted 4 hours - Trump accepts what was already offered.
    🇨🇴

    Mexico: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts worse than before.
    🇲🇽

    Canada: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts what was already agreed.
    🇨🇦

    Two-step process established:
    1. Try to look tough
    2. Just fold

    🤡

    MAGA lap it all up though.

    It's a cult.

    Even if he lost every trade battle he would still be the fucking messiah to his people. Because he tried etc etc...
    The Mail has it that it was actually Trudeau who caved in and was humiliating forced to pause his tariffs on the US.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14356623/canada-donald-trump-tariffs-border-trudeau.html

    Is that even a vaguely plausible reading, or are we in the realms of Alice in Wonderland here?
    Almost everything Canada agreed today was already agreed in 2024

    Trump did get one thing

    They will appoint a Fentanyl Czar

    Totally worth it...
    You need to read Trudeau actual statement quoted in Sky report I recently posted

    https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1886529228193022429?t=47TaDt_PIWPesXamRJfHwA&s=19
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,481
    On Trump and the tariffs, let's be grateful that have (for now) been withdrawn, and hope that sanity is returning to government.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559
    edited February 3

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    TRUMP TRADE WAR UPDATE:

    Colombia: Lasted 4 hours - Trump accepts what was already offered.
    🇨🇴

    Mexico: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts worse than before.
    🇲🇽

    Canada: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts what was already agreed.
    🇨🇦

    Two-step process established:
    1. Try to look tough
    2. Just fold

    🤡

    MAGA lap it all up though.

    It's a cult.

    Even if he lost every trade battle he would still be the fucking messiah to his people. Because he tried etc etc...
    The Mail has it that it was actually Trudeau who caved in and was humiliatingly forced to pause his tariffs on the US.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14356623/canada-donald-trump-tariffs-border-trudeau.html

    Is that even a vaguely plausible reading, or are we in the realms of Alice in Wonderland here?
    I doubt we'll ever know, as a proper analysis will take time and in that time there will be a deluge of people from both sides pouring out confirmation bias.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,648

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    TRUMP TRADE WAR UPDATE:

    Colombia: Lasted 4 hours - Trump accepts what was already offered.
    🇨🇴

    Mexico: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts worse than before.
    🇲🇽

    Canada: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts what was already agreed.
    🇨🇦

    Two-step process established:
    1. Try to look tough
    2. Just fold

    🤡

    MAGA lap it all up though.

    It's a cult.

    Even if he lost every trade battle he would still be the fucking messiah to his people. Because he tried etc etc...
    The Mail has it that it was actually Trudeau who caved in and was humiliating forced to pause his tariffs on the US.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14356623/canada-donald-trump-tariffs-border-trudeau.html

    Is that even a vaguely plausible reading, or are we in the realms of Alice in Wonderland here?
    Almost everything Canada agreed today was already agreed in 2024

    Trump did get one thing

    They will appoint a Fentanyl Czar

    Totally worth it...
    You need to read Trudeau actual statement quoted in Sky report I recently poster
    You need to read the Canadian Government announcement on December 17th last year
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,648
    rcs1000 said:

    On Trump and the tariffs, let's be grateful that have (for now) been withdrawn, and hope that sanity is returning to government.

    LOL
  • Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    TRUMP TRADE WAR UPDATE:

    Colombia: Lasted 4 hours - Trump accepts what was already offered.
    🇨🇴

    Mexico: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts worse than before.
    🇲🇽

    Canada: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts what was already agreed.
    🇨🇦

    Two-step process established:
    1. Try to look tough
    2. Just fold

    🤡

    MAGA lap it all up though.

    It's a cult.

    Even if he lost every trade battle he would still be the fucking messiah to his people. Because he tried etc etc...
    The Mail has it that it was actually Trudeau who caved in and was humiliating forced to pause his tariffs on the US.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14356623/canada-donald-trump-tariffs-border-trudeau.html

    Is that even a vaguely plausible reading, or are we in the realms of Alice in Wonderland here?
    Almost everything Canada agreed today was already agreed in 2024

    Trump did get one thing

    They will appoint a Fentanyl Czar

    Totally worth it...
    You need to read Trudeau actual statement quoted in Sky report I recently poster
    You need to read the Canadian Government announcement on December 17th last year
    Have you actually read Trudeau statement today ?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,648

    Have you actually read Trudeau statement today ?

    Have you actually read last year's announcement?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,895
    GB Energy says it may not meet pledge to employ 1,000 people ‘for 20 years’
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/03/gb-energy-says-it-may-not-meet-pledge-to-employ-1000-people-for-20-years

    So much for cheaper bills.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,648
    @sarahjen.bsky.social‬

    canada appointing a “fentanyl czar” for a non existent fentanyl problem is like when I used to write “monster spray” on a bottle of windex to spray in my kids’ closets at night
  • Scott_xP said:

    Have you actually read Trudeau statement today ?

    Have you actually read last year's announcement?
    So you haven't read the statement then where Trudeau announces the new measures proposed following his discussion with Trump
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,619
    rcs1000 said:

    On Trump and the tariffs, let's be grateful that have (for now) been withdrawn, and hope that sanity is returning to government.

    Hope, but not expect, I assume?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,648
    edited February 3

    Scott_xP said:

    Have you actually read Trudeau statement today ?

    Have you actually read last year's announcement?
    So you haven't read the statement then where Trudeau announces the new measures proposed following his discussion with Trump
    You haven't read the statement where they were all announced last year (apart from the Fentanyl Czar...)
  • Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Have you actually read Trudeau statement today ?

    Have you actually read last year's announcement?
    So you haven't read the statement then where Trudeau announces the new measures proposed following his discussion with Trump
    You haven't read the statement where they were all announced last year (apart from the Fentanyl Czar...)
    Provide the link then
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,183

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    TRUMP TRADE WAR UPDATE:

    Colombia: Lasted 4 hours - Trump accepts what was already offered.
    🇨🇴

    Mexico: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts worse than before.
    🇲🇽

    Canada: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts what was already agreed.
    🇨🇦

    Two-step process established:
    1. Try to look tough
    2. Just fold

    🤡

    MAGA lap it all up though.

    It's a cult.

    Even if he lost every trade battle he would still be the fucking messiah to his people. Because he tried etc etc...
    The Mail has it that it was actually Trudeau who caved in and was humiliating forced to pause his tariffs on the US.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14356623/canada-donald-trump-tariffs-border-trudeau.html

    Is that even a vaguely plausible reading, or are we in the realms of Alice in Wonderland here?
    Almost everything Canada agreed today was already agreed in 2024

    Trump did get one thing

    They will appoint a Fentanyl Czar

    Totally worth it...
    You need to read Trudeau actual statement quoted in Sky report I recently posted

    https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1886529228193022429?t=47TaDt_PIWPesXamRJfHwA&s=19
    They announced that $1.3bn last year. Here's an article from December:

    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/1-3b-federal-border-security-plan-to-have-24-hour-aerial-surveillance-anti-crime-joint-strike-force

    I don't think there's anything new that's not purely cosmetic to help Trump save face.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    Scott_xP said:

    @joshuajfriedman.com‬

    NEW: Judge AliKhan blocks Trump's funding freeze (for now), ordering OMB to instruct all federal agencies that received the original memo that they must reinstate any stopped payments.

    https://bsky.app/profile/joshuajfriedman.com/post/3lhckndvvbk2z

    Has Musk called the judge a “criminal” yet ?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,081
    edited February 3

    Scott_xP said:

    Have you actually read Trudeau statement today ?

    Have you actually read last year's announcement?
    So you haven't read the statement then where Trudeau announces the new measures proposed following his discussion with Trump
    It’s a good statement, and hopefully Trump will interpret it in the same light as you.

    The Sky new analysis on the link you posted is a bit more cynical:

    Here's what's interesting: the statement from Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau sounded at first glance like it was announcing something new.
    "Canada is implementing our $1.3bn border plan... nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are and will be working on protecting the border..."
    But it's not a new announcement. Look at the language: "are and will be". In other words: "We're doing this already Mr President, but if you want me to reiterate it to placate you, then I will..."
    .
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,216
    Kristi Noem: "We are a nation of laws and there's consequences for breaking those laws".

    Wow. just fucking wow.

    Trump 2.0 Cult just cannot help themselves can they?

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    rcs1000 said:

    On Trump and the tariffs, let's be grateful that have (for now) been withdrawn, and hope that sanity is returning to government.

    That’s about four years off, isn’t it ?
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,183
    Ratters said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    TRUMP TRADE WAR UPDATE:

    Colombia: Lasted 4 hours - Trump accepts what was already offered.
    🇨🇴

    Mexico: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts worse than before.
    🇲🇽

    Canada: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts what was already agreed.
    🇨🇦

    Two-step process established:
    1. Try to look tough
    2. Just fold

    🤡

    MAGA lap it all up though.

    It's a cult.

    Even if he lost every trade battle he would still be the fucking messiah to his people. Because he tried etc etc...
    The Mail has it that it was actually Trudeau who caved in and was humiliating forced to pause his tariffs on the US.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14356623/canada-donald-trump-tariffs-border-trudeau.html

    Is that even a vaguely plausible reading, or are we in the realms of Alice in Wonderland here?
    Almost everything Canada agreed today was already agreed in 2024

    Trump did get one thing

    They will appoint a Fentanyl Czar

    Totally worth it...
    You need to read Trudeau actual statement quoted in Sky report I recently posted

    https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1886529228193022429?t=47TaDt_PIWPesXamRJfHwA&s=19
    They announced that $1.3bn last year. Here's an article from December:

    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/1-3b-federal-border-security-plan-to-have-24-hour-aerial-surveillance-anti-crime-joint-strike-force

    I don't think there's anything new that's not purely cosmetic to help Trump save face.
    Incidentally, I am certain Trump could have got modest improvements on Canada's existing plan by just having a phone call or a quick exchange of emails.

    It's certainly not significant enough a change that it required threatening the imminent tearing up of a trade deal Trump himself signed 7 years ago.
  • Evening PB.

    The Danes may now be thinking they can strike some kind of deal with Trump, too.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,081
    Ratters said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    TRUMP TRADE WAR UPDATE:

    Colombia: Lasted 4 hours - Trump accepts what was already offered.
    🇨🇴

    Mexico: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts worse than before.
    🇲🇽

    Canada: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts what was already agreed.
    🇨🇦

    Two-step process established:
    1. Try to look tough
    2. Just fold

    🤡

    MAGA lap it all up though.

    It's a cult.

    Even if he lost every trade battle he would still be the fucking messiah to his people. Because he tried etc etc...
    The Mail has it that it was actually Trudeau who caved in and was humiliating forced to pause his tariffs on the US.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14356623/canada-donald-trump-tariffs-border-trudeau.html

    Is that even a vaguely plausible reading, or are we in the realms of Alice in Wonderland here?
    Almost everything Canada agreed today was already agreed in 2024

    Trump did get one thing

    They will appoint a Fentanyl Czar

    Totally worth it...
    You need to read Trudeau actual statement quoted in Sky report I recently posted

    https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1886529228193022429?t=47TaDt_PIWPesXamRJfHwA&s=19
    They announced that $1.3bn last year. Here's an article from December:

    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/1-3b-federal-border-security-plan-to-have-24-hour-aerial-surveillance-anti-crime-joint-strike-force

    I don't think there's anything new that's not purely cosmetic to help Trump save face.
    This doesn’t bode well for Trump’s forthcoming hard fought “deal” to carve up Ukraine.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,223
    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    algarkirk said:

    biggles said:

    Driver said:

    kle4 said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Can I defend Wetherspoon's please?

    As one of those unfortunate types (I know, I know, we're a rare breed on this forum) who definitely have to watch their pennies when going to the pub, the 'double breakfast' whereby one can order two whole Wetherspoon's breakfasts and not have to chop off one's own toenails for sale on the black market in recompense pleases me greatly.

    Easy to be sniffy at Spoons. Nothing wrong with it. The beer is decent and doesn't cost the earth. The food is fine for what it is.

    Plenty of remainers knock Spoons for no better reason than they don't like the owner.
    The young people love Spoons. Once my daughter turned 18 she practically lived at the Brockley Barge.
    There was I time I also frequented the Barge. Back then it was just about the only pub in the area where you didn’t get stared at when you walked in. Didn’t realise it is now a youth hang out though.

    And you are wrong on McDonald’s. It’s excellent. Knocks spots off KFC, BK, Morley’s, even Pizza Hut (to which I’m a bit partial). So much so that last weekend I bought some chuck steak, got it minced, and am going to do a snackmasters-style attempt with my daughter (who’s a big McD fan) to perfectly replicate a McDonald’s cheeseburger. Complete with tiny slivers of iceberg lettuce, microwaved (it works) tiny chopped onions, gherkin, the works.
    Pizza Hut?!
    A Pizza Hut, a Pizza Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut
    A Pizza Hut, a Pizza Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut
    McDonald's, McDonald's, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut
    McDonald's, McDonald's, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOC9d17vASc&t=64s
    Is that not the Yank version?

    The British one has Happy Eater in it.
    Then British children were singing the Yank version 30 years ago when I was a child.
    When I learned it (mid-late 80s), that one was the first verse and the second verse was:

    A Burger King, a Burger King, a Little Chef and a Burger King
    Happy Eater, Happy Eater, a Little Chef and a Burger King


    Of course, Little Chef and Happy Eater are no longer with us. LC's owner bought HE's owner in the mid 90s and converted all HEs to LC, but that was the beginning of the end - LC was a shadow of its former self by the mid Noughties and all gone by 2018.
    Wait, hang on, Little Chef has gone? The number of times I stop at services and never noticed. That’s quite sad. I must have just stopped going…
    Steady on. I'm a pleb and regard Spoons as expensive posh fine wining and dining for special occasions only, but I drew the line at Little Chef.
    Eh? A colleague and I used to call in regularly on the one on the Fosse Way somewhere in the Cotdswolds when heading down to Somerset etc. for work/cider/Yeovilton air show. It was great!
    Hiking the Offa's Dyke footpath a few years ago I found myself in Monmouth in need of an eatery that would welcome without condescension someone who looked (and smelt) like they'd walked 160 miles to get there. Wetherspoons it was. I'd rate it as perfectly adequate, which in my book is high praise indeed.
    Many, many years ago, as a student I was sent with the lab tech and the van to collect some stuff on an overnighter. When we'd got to the hotel and dumped our bags, he insisted on going to one of those chain steak places (I forget the name but it was c. 1980 and the typical menu was prawn cocktail, steak and chips, and Black Forest, albeit with some options). He explained that at least he knew what to expect, and could eat and digest it, when he was tired after driving all day and had a long day the next day packing the gear and driving home and unloading. It was a lesson in its little way: I've never been too dismissive of such places since - so long as the stuff is edible.
    Ah, I used to love a Berni Inn.

    I rather fancy this place next time I am in The Smoke, it's a real Eighties time capsule:

    https://oslocourtrestaurant.co.uk/
    Ooof. Sorry.

    £55-70 per head is a lot for an 80s recreation.

    That's in the same price range as a fixed price or tasting menu at the Veeraswamy. Probably including wine.

    https://www.veeraswamy.com/menu/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    TimS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Have you actually read Trudeau statement today ?

    Have you actually read last year's announcement?
    So you haven't read the statement then where Trudeau announces the new measures proposed following his discussion with Trump
    It’s a good statement, and hopefully Trump will interpret it in the same light as you.

    The Sky new analysis on the link you posted is a bit more cynical:

    Here's what's interesting: the statement from Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau sounded at first glance like it was announcing something new.
    "Canada is implementing our $1.3bn border plan... nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are and will be working on protecting the border..."
    But it's not a new announcement. Look at the language: "are and will be". In other words: "We're doing this already Mr President, but if you want me to reiterate it to placate you, then I will..."
    .
    You can fool some of the people all of the time…
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 12,732

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    TRUMP TRADE WAR UPDATE:

    Colombia: Lasted 4 hours - Trump accepts what was already offered.
    🇨🇴

    Mexico: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts worse than before.
    🇲🇽

    Canada: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts what was already agreed.
    🇨🇦

    Two-step process established:
    1. Try to look tough
    2. Just fold

    🤡

    MAGA lap it all up though.

    It's a cult.

    Even if he lost every trade battle he would still be the fucking messiah to his people. Because he tried etc etc...
    The Mail has it that it was actually Trudeau who caved in and was humiliating forced to pause his tariffs on the US.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14356623/canada-donald-trump-tariffs-border-trudeau.html

    Is that even a vaguely plausible reading, or are we in the realms of Alice in Wonderland here?
    Almost everything Canada agreed today was already agreed in 2024

    Trump did get one thing

    They will appoint a Fentanyl Czar

    Totally worth it...
    You need to read Trudeau actual statement quoted in Sky report I recently posted

    https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1886529228193022429?t=47TaDt_PIWPesXamRJfHwA&s=19
    That appears to be $200M new spending, presumably that’s Canadian dollars, so about $139M US dollars? That’s £112M. That’s something, but it’s not very much in terms of total Canadian government spending. It’s about 0.02%.

    Meanwhile, while Canada will now not implement their retaliatory tariffs, Canadian consumers are probably not going to forget.

    And Trump’s grand plan is to abolish income tax by bringing in so much money in tariffs, but that won’t happen if he never actually applies any of these tariffs.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,105

    The problem for the Tories is
    you can imagine labour voters going to Reform
    you can imagine labour voters going to LD
    you can imagine labour voters going to Green
    you can imagine labour voters going to the SNP /PC

    I cannot imagine labour voters going to the tories atm - all other reasons to move from labour are hoovered by the above parties

    Comfortably off former Conservative voters who thought that Labour would provide sleaze free, competent government and are now regretting their decision.
  • I wonder what will happen with the EU tariffs.

    Another deal ?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,170
    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    algarkirk said:

    biggles said:

    Driver said:

    kle4 said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Can I defend Wetherspoon's please?

    As one of those unfortunate types (I know, I know, we're a rare breed on this forum) who definitely have to watch their pennies when going to the pub, the 'double breakfast' whereby one can order two whole Wetherspoon's breakfasts and not have to chop off one's own toenails for sale on the black market in recompense pleases me greatly.

    Easy to be sniffy at Spoons. Nothing wrong with it. The beer is decent and doesn't cost the earth. The food is fine for what it is.

    Plenty of remainers knock Spoons for no better reason than they don't like the owner.
    The young people love Spoons. Once my daughter turned 18 she practically lived at the Brockley Barge.
    There was I time I also frequented the Barge. Back then it was just about the only pub in the area where you didn’t get stared at when you walked in. Didn’t realise it is now a youth hang out though.

    And you are wrong on McDonald’s. It’s excellent. Knocks spots off KFC, BK, Morley’s, even Pizza Hut (to which I’m a bit partial). So much so that last weekend I bought some chuck steak, got it minced, and am going to do a snackmasters-style attempt with my daughter (who’s a big McD fan) to perfectly replicate a McDonald’s cheeseburger. Complete with tiny slivers of iceberg lettuce, microwaved (it works) tiny chopped onions, gherkin, the works.
    Pizza Hut?!
    A Pizza Hut, a Pizza Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut
    A Pizza Hut, a Pizza Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut
    McDonald's, McDonald's, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut
    McDonald's, McDonald's, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOC9d17vASc&t=64s
    Is that not the Yank version?

    The British one has Happy Eater in it.
    Then British children were singing the Yank version 30 years ago when I was a child.
    When I learned it (mid-late 80s), that one was the first verse and the second verse was:

    A Burger King, a Burger King, a Little Chef and a Burger King
    Happy Eater, Happy Eater, a Little Chef and a Burger King


    Of course, Little Chef and Happy Eater are no longer with us. LC's owner bought HE's owner in the mid 90s and converted all HEs to LC, but that was the beginning of the end - LC was a shadow of its former self by the mid Noughties and all gone by 2018.
    Wait, hang on, Little Chef has gone? The number of times I stop at services and never noticed. That’s quite sad. I must have just stopped going…
    Steady on. I'm a pleb and regard Spoons as expensive posh fine wining and dining for special occasions only, but I drew the line at Little Chef.
    Eh? A colleague and I used to call in regularly on the one on the Fosse Way somewhere in the Cotdswolds when heading down to Somerset etc. for work/cider/Yeovilton air show. It was great!
    Hiking the Offa's Dyke footpath a few years ago I found myself in Monmouth in need of an eatery that would welcome without condescension someone who looked (and smelt) like they'd walked 160 miles to get there. Wetherspoons it was. I'd rate it as perfectly adequate, which in my book is high praise indeed.
    Many, many years ago, as a student I was sent with the lab tech and the van to collect some stuff on an overnighter. When we'd got to the hotel and dumped our bags, he insisted on going to one of those chain steak places (I forget the name but it was c. 1980 and the typical menu was prawn cocktail, steak and chips, and Black Forest, albeit with some options). He explained that at least he knew what to expect, and could eat and digest it, when he was tired after driving all day and had a long day the next day packing the gear and driving home and unloading. It was a lesson in its little way: I've never been too dismissive of such places since - so long as the stuff is edible.
    Ah, I used to love a Berni Inn.

    I rather fancy this place next time I am in The Smoke, it's a real Eighties time capsule:

    https://oslocourtrestaurant.co.uk/
    Ooof. Sorry.

    £55-70 per head is a lot for an 80s recreation.

    That's in the same price range as a fixed price or tasting menu at the Veeraswamy. Probably including wine.

    https://www.veeraswamy.com/menu/
    That's the thing. It's not a recreation, it's original, and it gets very good reviews.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    TRUMP TRADE WAR UPDATE:

    Colombia: Lasted 4 hours - Trump accepts what was already offered.
    🇨🇴

    Mexico: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts worse than before.
    🇲🇽

    Canada: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts what was already agreed.
    🇨🇦

    Two-step process established:
    1. Try to look tough
    2. Just fold

    🤡

    MAGA lap it all up though.

    It's a cult.

    Even if he lost every trade battle he would still be the fucking messiah to his people. Because he tried etc etc...
    The Mail has it that it was actually Trudeau who caved in and was humiliating forced to pause his tariffs on the US.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14356623/canada-donald-trump-tariffs-border-trudeau.html

    Is that even a vaguely plausible reading, or are we in the realms of Alice in Wonderland here?
    Almost everything Canada agreed today was already agreed in 2024

    Trump did get one thing

    They will appoint a Fentanyl Czar

    Totally worth it...
    You need to read Trudeau actual statement quoted in Sky report I recently posted

    https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1886529228193022429?t=47TaDt_PIWPesXamRJfHwA&s=19
    That appears to be $200M new spending, presumably that’s Canadian dollars, so about $139M US dollars? That’s £112M. That’s something, but it’s not very much in terms of total Canadian government spending. It’s about 0.02%.

    Meanwhile, while Canada will now not implement their retaliatory tariffs, Canadian consumers are probably not going to forget.

    And Trump’s grand plan is to abolish income tax by bringing in so much money in tariffs, but that won’t happen if he never actually applies any of these tariffs.
    They will be back on next month unless Mexico and Canada have done exactly as he wants, with the EU added too and he is still applying tariffs to Chinese imports
  • Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    TRUMP TRADE WAR UPDATE:

    Colombia: Lasted 4 hours - Trump accepts what was already offered.
    🇨🇴

    Mexico: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts worse than before.
    🇲🇽

    Canada: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts what was already agreed.
    🇨🇦

    Two-step process established:
    1. Try to look tough
    2. Just fold

    🤡

    MAGA lap it all up though.

    It's a cult.

    Even if he lost every trade battle he would still be the fucking messiah to his people. Because he tried etc etc...
    The Mail has it that it was actually Trudeau who caved in and was humiliating forced to pause his tariffs on the US.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14356623/canada-donald-trump-tariffs-border-trudeau.html

    Is that even a vaguely plausible reading, or are we in the realms of Alice in Wonderland here?
    Almost everything Canada agreed today was already agreed in 2024

    Trump did get one thing

    They will appoint a Fentanyl Czar

    Totally worth it...
    You need to read Trudeau actual statement quoted in Sky report I recently posted

    https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1886529228193022429?t=47TaDt_PIWPesXamRJfHwA&s=19
    That appears to be $200M new spending, presumably that’s Canadian dollars, so about $139M US dollars? That’s £112M. That’s something, but it’s not very much in terms of total Canadian government spending. It’s about 0.02%.

    Meanwhile, while Canada will now not implement their retaliatory tariffs, Canadian consumers are probably not going to forget.

    And Trump’s grand plan is to abolish income tax by bringing in so much money in tariffs, but that won’t happen if he never actually applies any of these tariffs.
    The tariffs are subject to trade discussions over the next 30 days and that outcome will be very interesting
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,223
    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    TRUMP TRADE WAR UPDATE:

    Colombia: Lasted 4 hours - Trump accepts what was already offered.
    🇨🇴

    Mexico: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts worse than before.
    🇲🇽

    Canada: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts what was already agreed.
    🇨🇦

    Two-step process established:
    1. Try to look tough
    2. Just fold

    🤡

    I've just been listening to a couple of the recommended Spectator Americano podcasts.

    TBH so far it's basically Freddie Gray sucking off Trump spokespeople.

    Obsequious interviews with soft questions, and not even challenging obvious BS. Listening to a chap talking about Colombia, it's almost like a reprise of Oliver North.

    I'll listen to a couple more and comment in a day or so.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,408
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    TRUMP TRADE WAR UPDATE:

    Colombia: Lasted 4 hours - Trump accepts what was already offered.
    🇨🇴

    Mexico: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts worse than before.
    🇲🇽

    Canada: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts what was already agreed.
    🇨🇦

    Two-step process established:
    1. Try to look tough
    2. Just fold

    🤡

    MAGA lap it all up though.

    It's a cult.

    Even if he lost every trade battle he would still be the fucking messiah to his people. Because he tried etc etc...
    The Mail has it that it was actually Trudeau who caved in and was humiliating forced to pause his tariffs on the US.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14356623/canada-donald-trump-tariffs-border-trudeau.html

    Is that even a vaguely plausible reading, or are we in the realms of Alice in Wonderland here?
    Almost everything Canada agreed today was already agreed in 2024

    Trump did get one thing

    They will appoint a Fentanyl Czar

    Totally worth it...
    You need to read Trudeau actual statement quoted in Sky report I recently posted

    https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1886529228193022429?t=47TaDt_PIWPesXamRJfHwA&s=19
    That appears to be $200M new spending, presumably that’s Canadian dollars, so about $139M US dollars? That’s £112M. That’s something, but it’s not very much in terms of total Canadian government spending. It’s about 0.02%.

    Meanwhile, while Canada will now not implement their retaliatory tariffs, Canadian consumers are probably not going to forget.

    And Trump’s grand plan is to abolish income tax by bringing in so much money in tariffs, but that won’t happen if he never actually applies any of these tariffs.
    They will be back on next month unless Mexico and Canada have done exactly as he wants, with the EU added too and he is still applying tariffs to Chinese imports
    The month after though? Gone? Back? Off to the side? Round the back? Forgotten?
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,722
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    TRUMP TRADE WAR UPDATE:

    Colombia: Lasted 4 hours - Trump accepts what was already offered.
    🇨🇴

    Mexico: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts worse than before.
    🇲🇽

    Canada: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts what was already agreed.
    🇨🇦

    Two-step process established:
    1. Try to look tough
    2. Just fold

    🤡

    MAGA lap it all up though.

    It's a cult.

    Even if he lost every trade battle he would still be the fucking messiah to his people. Because he tried etc etc...
    The Mail has it that it was actually Trudeau who caved in and was humiliating forced to pause his tariffs on the US.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14356623/canada-donald-trump-tariffs-border-trudeau.html

    Is that even a vaguely plausible reading, or are we in the realms of Alice in Wonderland here?
    Almost everything Canada agreed today was already agreed in 2024

    Trump did get one thing

    They will appoint a Fentanyl Czar

    Totally worth it...
    You need to read Trudeau actual statement quoted in Sky report I recently posted

    https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1886529228193022429?t=47TaDt_PIWPesXamRJfHwA&s=19
    That appears to be $200M new spending, presumably that’s Canadian dollars, so about $139M US dollars? That’s £112M. That’s something, but it’s not very much in terms of total Canadian government spending. It’s about 0.02%.

    Meanwhile, while Canada will now not implement their retaliatory tariffs, Canadian consumers are probably not going to forget.

    And Trump’s grand plan is to abolish income tax by bringing in so much money in tariffs, but that won’t happen if he never actually applies any of these tariffs.
    They will be back on next month unless Mexico and Canada have done exactly as he wants, with the EU added too and he is still applying tariffs to Chinese imports
    And he will fold again next month. We are back in Truss territory of pointy-headed ideas versus financial markets.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,914
    Why is Big G trying to spin this as a win for Trump?
    He’s got nothing and he looks like a total twat.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,223
    edited February 3
    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    TRUMP TRADE WAR UPDATE:

    Colombia: Lasted 4 hours - Trump accepts what was already offered.
    🇨🇴

    Mexico: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts worse than before.
    🇲🇽

    Canada: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts what was already agreed.
    🇨🇦

    Two-step process established:
    1. Try to look tough
    2. Just fold

    🤡

    I've just been listening to a couple of the recommended Spectator Americano podcasts.

    TBH so far it's basically Freddie Gray sucking off Trump spokespeople.

    Obsequious interviews with soft questions, and not even challenging obvious BS. Listening to a chap talking about Colombia, it's almost like a reprise of Oliver North.

    I'll listen to a couple more and comment in a day or so.
    (Apologies for my slight rudeness. I've listened to a Telegraph Daily T podcast today, so my patience is thin. AND there's a new f*cking Ford Ranger crew cab parked across most of the pavement blocking the wheelchair access to an entire retail park locally, because the selfish *&^% left space inside the road side of the parking bay for him to climb out of his wanker-tanker, and f*ck the people who are forced into the 6k a day road.)
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,619
    edited February 3
    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    algarkirk said:

    biggles said:

    Driver said:

    kle4 said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Can I defend Wetherspoon's please?

    As one of those unfortunate types (I know, I know, we're a rare breed on this forum) who definitely have to watch their pennies when going to the pub, the 'double breakfast' whereby one can order two whole Wetherspoon's breakfasts and not have to chop off one's own toenails for sale on the black market in recompense pleases me greatly.

    Easy to be sniffy at Spoons. Nothing wrong with it. The beer is decent and doesn't cost the earth. The food is fine for what it is.

    Plenty of remainers knock Spoons for no better reason than they don't like the owner.
    The young people love Spoons. Once my daughter turned 18 she practically lived at the Brockley Barge.
    There was I time I also frequented the Barge. Back then it was just about the only pub in the area where you didn’t get stared at when you walked in. Didn’t realise it is now a youth hang out though.

    And you are wrong on McDonald’s. It’s excellent. Knocks spots off KFC, BK, Morley’s, even Pizza Hut (to which I’m a bit partial). So much so that last weekend I bought some chuck steak, got it minced, and am going to do a snackmasters-style attempt with my daughter (who’s a big McD fan) to perfectly replicate a McDonald’s cheeseburger. Complete with tiny slivers of iceberg lettuce, microwaved (it works) tiny chopped onions, gherkin, the works.
    Pizza Hut?!
    A Pizza Hut, a Pizza Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut
    A Pizza Hut, a Pizza Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut
    McDonald's, McDonald's, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut
    McDonald's, McDonald's, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOC9d17vASc&t=64s
    Is that not the Yank version?

    The British one has Happy Eater in it.
    Then British children were singing the Yank version 30 years ago when I was a child.
    When I learned it (mid-late 80s), that one was the first verse and the second verse was:

    A Burger King, a Burger King, a Little Chef and a Burger King
    Happy Eater, Happy Eater, a Little Chef and a Burger King


    Of course, Little Chef and Happy Eater are no longer with us. LC's owner bought HE's owner in the mid 90s and converted all HEs to LC, but that was the beginning of the end - LC was a shadow of its former self by the mid Noughties and all gone by 2018.
    Wait, hang on, Little Chef has gone? The number of times I stop at services and never noticed. That’s quite sad. I must have just stopped going…
    Steady on. I'm a pleb and regard Spoons as expensive posh fine wining and dining for special occasions only, but I drew the line at Little Chef.
    Eh? A colleague and I used to call in regularly on the one on the Fosse Way somewhere in the Cotdswolds when heading down to Somerset etc. for work/cider/Yeovilton air show. It was great!
    Hiking the Offa's Dyke footpath a few years ago I found myself in Monmouth in need of an eatery that would welcome without condescension someone who looked (and smelt) like they'd walked 160 miles to get there. Wetherspoons it was. I'd rate it as perfectly adequate, which in my book is high praise indeed.
    Many, many years ago, as a student I was sent with the lab tech and the van to collect some stuff on an overnighter. When we'd got to the hotel and dumped our bags, he insisted on going to one of those chain steak places (I forget the name but it was c. 1980 and the typical menu was prawn cocktail, steak and chips, and Black Forest, albeit with some options). He explained that at least he knew what to expect, and could eat and digest it, when he was tired after driving all day and had a long day the next day packing the gear and driving home and unloading. It was a lesson in its little way: I've never been too dismissive of such places since - so long as the stuff is edible.
    Ah, I used to love a Berni Inn.

    I rather fancy this place next time I am in The Smoke, it's a real Eighties time capsule:

    https://oslocourtrestaurant.co.uk/
    If you happen to be swinging through East Neuk of Fife, the Haven in Cellardyke has massive Berni Inn vibes. I don't think it has been updated since the seventies.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,408
    I was chatting to some Young People(TM) today on the back of the Rupert Murdoch/Larry Ellison news. It brought to mind various Dennis Potter things.

    But then I remembered the "Vote! Vote! Vote!" Nigel Barton play :

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059886/

    I had a little moment thinking if that Nigel had taken a slightly different path, could he be Keir now?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,216
    I mean... come on... the bare faced attack on PBers is unprecedented surely?



    David Aaronovitch
    @DAaronovitch
    ·
    2h
    It’s one poll with a lead well within the margin of error four years out from an election. Some of you need to find something to occupy you


    https://x.com/DAaronovitch/status/1886512324527460698
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613
    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    TRUNOMP TRADE WAR UPDATE:

    Colombia: Lasted 4 hours - Trump accepts what was already offered.
    🇨🇴

    Mexico: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts worse than before.
    🇲🇽

    Canada: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts what was already agreed.
    🇨🇦

    Two-step process established:
    1. Try to look tough
    2. Just fold

    🤡

    MAGA lap it all up though.

    It's a cult.

    Even if he lost every trade battle he would still be the fucking messiah to his people. Because he tried etc etc...
    The Mail has it that it was actually Trudeau who caved in and was humiliating forced to pause his tariffs on the US.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14356623/canada-donald-trump-tariffs-border-trudeau.html

    Is that even a vaguely plausible reading, or are we in the realms of Alice in Wonderland here?
    Almost everything Canada agreed today was already agreed in 2024

    Trump did get one thing

    They will appoint a Fentanyl Czar

    Totally worth it...
    You need to read Trudeau actual statement quoted in Sky report I recently posted

    https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1886529228193022429?t=47TaDt_PIWPesXamRJfHwA&s=19
    That appears to be $200M new spending, presumably that’s Canadian dollars, so about $139M US dollars? That’s £112M. That’s something, but it’s not very much in terms of total Canadian government spending. It’s about 0.02%.

    Meanwhile, while Canada will now not implement their retaliatory tariffs, Canadian consumers are probably not going to forget.

    And Trump’s grand plan is to abolish income tax by bringing in so much money in tariffs, but that won’t happen if he never actually applies any of these tariffs.
    They will be back on next month unless Mexico and Canada have done exactly as he wants, with the EU added too and he is still applying tariffs to Chinese imports
    The month after though? Gone? Back? Off to the side? Round the back? Forgotten?
    No or his MAGA base will go beserk
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,722

    I mean... come on... the bare faced attack on PBers is unprecedented surely?



    David Aaronovitch
    @DAaronovitch
    ·
    2h
    It’s one poll with a lead well within the margin of error four years out from an election. Some of you need to find something to occupy you


    https://x.com/DAaronovitch/status/1886512324527460698

    It's fair enough to note that a non-Labour, non-Tory party is leading an opinion poll from a long-running pollster. That would have seemed very surprising in 2012 or so, but maybe less shocking more recently.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,408
    HYUFD said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    TRUNOMP TRADE WAR UPDATE:

    Colombia: Lasted 4 hours - Trump accepts what was already offered.
    🇨🇴

    Mexico: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts worse than before.
    🇲🇽

    Canada: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts what was already agreed.
    🇨🇦

    Two-step process established:
    1. Try to look tough
    2. Just fold

    🤡

    MAGA lap it all up though.

    It's a cult.

    Even if he lost every trade battle he would still be the fucking messiah to his people. Because he tried etc etc...
    The Mail has it that it was actually Trudeau who caved in and was humiliating forced to pause his tariffs on the US.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14356623/canada-donald-trump-tariffs-border-trudeau.html

    Is that even a vaguely plausible reading, or are we in the realms of Alice in Wonderland here?
    Almost everything Canada agreed today was already agreed in 2024

    Trump did get one thing

    They will appoint a Fentanyl Czar

    Totally worth it...
    You need to read Trudeau actual statement quoted in Sky report I recently posted

    https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1886529228193022429?t=47TaDt_PIWPesXamRJfHwA&s=19
    That appears to be $200M new spending, presumably that’s Canadian dollars, so about $139M US dollars? That’s £112M. That’s something, but it’s not very much in terms of total Canadian government spending. It’s about 0.02%.

    Meanwhile, while Canada will now not implement their retaliatory tariffs, Canadian consumers are probably not going to forget.

    And Trump’s grand plan is to abolish income tax by bringing in so much money in tariffs, but that won’t happen if he never actually applies any of these tariffs.
    They will be back on next month unless Mexico and Canada have done exactly as he wants, with the EU added too and he is still applying tariffs to Chinese imports
    The month after though? Gone? Back? Off to the side? Round the back? Forgotten?
    No or his MAGA base will go beserk
    They didn't go berserk on any of his previous flip-flops. Or the draining the swamp thing. Or the building the wall thing. Or many other of his things.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,216

    Why is Big G trying to spin this as a win for Trump?
    He’s got nothing and he looks like a total twat.

    Not to the Cult!

    They see, in their minds eye, Mexican soldiers lining the border and stopping that fentanyl in its tracks.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,667
    edited February 3

    Why is Big G trying to spin this as a win for Trump?
    He’s got nothing and he looks like a total twat.

    That's a bit harsh on Big G. He's a decent chap really.
    Or do you mean Trump?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,216

    Evening PB.

    The Danes may now be thinking they can strike some kind of deal with Trump, too.

    Give him the inhabited bit of Greenland?
  • Why is Big G trying to spin this as a win for Trump?
    He’s got nothing and he looks like a total twat.

    Maybe it is a win for sensible compromise and let's hope that is the way it will continue

    Nobody wins without settling disagreements but of course we have no idea what happens in 30 days or beyond
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,408

    I mean... come on... the bare faced attack on PBers is unprecedented surely?



    David Aaronovitch
    @DAaronovitch
    ·
    2h
    It’s one poll with a lead well within the margin of error four years out from an election. Some of you need to find something to occupy you


    https://x.com/DAaronovitch/status/1886512324527460698

    Oh, the things to say about being occupied by an entirely unrelated pundit/presenter. Were it not to save OGH from trouble.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,216

    suzanne moore
    @suzanne_moore
    ·
    3h
    Am I the only one who doesn't really understand this continual polling of voter intentions when we are not having an election for years? All it ever does is talk up Reform.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,446
    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    TRUNOMP TRADE WAR UPDATE:

    Colombia: Lasted 4 hours - Trump accepts what was already offered.
    🇨🇴

    Mexico: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts worse than before.
    🇲🇽

    Canada: Lasted one weekend - Trump accepts what was already agreed.
    🇨🇦

    Two-step process established:
    1. Try to look tough
    2. Just fold

    🤡

    MAGA lap it all up though.

    It's a cult.

    Even if he lost every trade battle he would still be the fucking messiah to his people. Because he tried etc etc...
    The Mail has it that it was actually Trudeau who caved in and was humiliating forced to pause his tariffs on the US.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14356623/canada-donald-trump-tariffs-border-trudeau.html

    Is that even a vaguely plausible reading, or are we in the realms of Alice in Wonderland here?
    Almost everything Canada agreed today was already agreed in 2024

    Trump did get one thing

    They will appoint a Fentanyl Czar

    Totally worth it...
    You need to read Trudeau actual statement quoted in Sky report I recently posted

    https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1886529228193022429?t=47TaDt_PIWPesXamRJfHwA&s=19
    That appears to be $200M new spending, presumably that’s Canadian dollars, so about $139M US dollars? That’s £112M. That’s something, but it’s not very much in terms of total Canadian government spending. It’s about 0.02%.

    Meanwhile, while Canada will now not implement their retaliatory tariffs, Canadian consumers are probably not going to forget.

    And Trump’s grand plan is to abolish income tax by bringing in so much money in tariffs, but that won’t happen if he never actually applies any of these tariffs.
    They will be back on next month unless Mexico and Canada have done exactly as he wants, with the EU added too and he is still applying tariffs to Chinese imports
    The month after though? Gone? Back? Off to the side? Round the back? Forgotten?
    No or his MAGA base will go beserk
    They didn't go berserk on any of his previous flip-flops. Or the draining the swamp thing. Or the building the wall thing. Or many other of his things.
    Yes indeed, his hold on them is incredible, you so rarely see it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    Collins does what she knows best - and folds on Gabbard, despite her earlier posturing.

    GOP’s Susan Collins to back Tulsi Gabbard confirmation
    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5124047-tulsi-gabbard-susan-collins-intelligence-committee-dni/
  • Why is Big G trying to spin this as a win for Trump?
    He’s got nothing and he looks like a total twat.

    Not to the Cult!

    They see, in their minds eye, Mexican soldiers lining the border and stopping that fentanyl in its tracks.
    I am not in the Trump cult, but post commentaries from Sky and others that are relevant to the topic of the day
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,641


    suzanne moore
    @suzanne_moore
    ·
    3h
    Am I the only one who doesn't really understand this continual polling of voter intentions when we are not having an election for years? All it ever does is talk up Reform.

    If the polls were giving Labour an enormous lead, like Blair in 1997 to 1999, people like Suzanne would be talking about little else.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,408

    Evening PB.

    The Danes may now be thinking they can strike some kind of deal with Trump, too.

    Give him the inhabited bit of Greenland?
    Maybe if they just draw a big `<-----` he'll end up invading Quebec after all. Brightly coloured crayon - might well fool Elon too.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,641
    edited February 3
    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    algarkirk said:

    biggles said:

    Driver said:

    kle4 said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Can I defend Wetherspoon's please?

    As one of those unfortunate types (I know, I know, we're a rare breed on this forum) who definitely have to watch their pennies when going to the pub, the 'double breakfast' whereby one can order two whole Wetherspoon's breakfasts and not have to chop off one's own toenails for sale on the black market in recompense pleases me greatly.

    Easy to be sniffy at Spoons. Nothing wrong with it. The beer is decent and doesn't cost the earth. The food is fine for what it is.

    Plenty of remainers knock Spoons for no better reason than they don't like the owner.
    The young people love Spoons. Once my daughter turned 18 she practically lived at the Brockley Barge.
    There was I time I also frequented the Barge. Back then it was just about the only pub in the area where you didn’t get stared at when you walked in. Didn’t realise it is now a youth hang out though.

    And you are wrong on McDonald’s. It’s excellent. Knocks spots off KFC, BK, Morley’s, even Pizza Hut (to which I’m a bit partial). So much so that last weekend I bought some chuck steak, got it minced, and am going to do a snackmasters-style attempt with my daughter (who’s a big McD fan) to perfectly replicate a McDonald’s cheeseburger. Complete with tiny slivers of iceberg lettuce, microwaved (it works) tiny chopped onions, gherkin, the works.
    Pizza Hut?!
    A Pizza Hut, a Pizza Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut
    A Pizza Hut, a Pizza Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut
    McDonald's, McDonald's, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut
    McDonald's, McDonald's, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOC9d17vASc&t=64s
    Is that not the Yank version?

    The British one has Happy Eater in it.
    Then British children were singing the Yank version 30 years ago when I was a child.
    When I learned it (mid-late 80s), that one was the first verse and the second verse was:

    A Burger King, a Burger King, a Little Chef and a Burger King
    Happy Eater, Happy Eater, a Little Chef and a Burger King


    Of course, Little Chef and Happy Eater are no longer with us. LC's owner bought HE's owner in the mid 90s and converted all HEs to LC, but that was the beginning of the end - LC was a shadow of its former self by the mid Noughties and all gone by 2018.
    Wait, hang on, Little Chef has gone? The number of times I stop at services and never noticed. That’s quite sad. I must have just stopped going…
    Steady on. I'm a pleb and regard Spoons as expensive posh fine wining and dining for special occasions only, but I drew the line at Little Chef.
    Eh? A colleague and I used to call in regularly on the one on the Fosse Way somewhere in the Cotdswolds when heading down to Somerset etc. for work/cider/Yeovilton air show. It was great!
    Hiking the Offa's Dyke footpath a few years ago I found myself in Monmouth in need of an eatery that would welcome without condescension someone who looked (and smelt) like they'd walked 160 miles to get there. Wetherspoons it was. I'd rate it as perfectly adequate, which in my book is high praise indeed.
    Many, many years ago, as a student I was sent with the lab tech and the van to collect some stuff on an overnighter. When we'd got to the hotel and dumped our bags, he insisted on going to one of those chain steak places (I forget the name but it was c. 1980 and the typical menu was prawn cocktail, steak and chips, and Black Forest, albeit with some options). He explained that at least he knew what to expect, and could eat and digest it, when he was tired after driving all day and had a long day the next day packing the gear and driving home and unloading. It was a lesson in its little way: I've never been too dismissive of such places since - so long as the stuff is edible.
    Berni Inn ?
    I have fond memories as a teen of their serving coffee with a large shot of whisky or brandy, and whipped cream on top. Their steaks were fairly decent, too.

    Once the largest food chain outside the US.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berni_Inn
    The only time my family used to eat out in the 80s was at a Berni Inn, about 4 or 5 times a year as I recall. You'd normally have a sirloin steak or chicken and chips, followed by a ice cream sundae with an umbrella sticking out of it.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,618
    edited February 3
    Is it possible that snooty “we’re much cleverer than him and his supporters” tweets are not the complete answer to how the democrats beat Trump’s mob at the polls?

  • suzanne moore
    @suzanne_moore
    ·
    3h
    Am I the only one who doesn't really understand this continual polling of voter intentions when we are not having an election for years? All it ever does is talk up Reform.

    And yet on here the uproar at the lack of polling was continual

    Maybe if Labour were ahead then they would be more acceptable to some
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,619
    ohnotnow said:

    Evening PB.

    The Danes may now be thinking they can strike some kind of deal with Trump, too.

    Give him the inhabited bit of Greenland?
    Maybe if they just draw a big `----` he'll end up invading Quebec after all. Brightly coloured crayon - might well fool Elon too.
    Maybe Trump will invade Vermont instead.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,619

    Evening PB.

    The Danes may now be thinking they can strike some kind of deal with Trump, too.

    Danegeld will do it.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,618

    Why is Big G trying to spin this as a win for Trump?
    He’s got nothing and he looks like a total twat.

    Not to the Cult!

    They see, in their minds eye, Mexican soldiers lining the border and stopping that fentanyl in its tracks.
    Yup. Trump has signalled his support for domestic manufacturing and his opponents can be characterised as being against it. We all know that’s bollocks but it’s the game he’s playing. If you want to beat him, you have to actually have a plan for the poor sods who lost out (and they did lose out) to globalisation.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,173
    Since you are discussing crime, here's a little hint: 'Elaine Kamark of the Harvard Kennedy School and William Galston of the University of Maryland and Brookings Institution, agree with Moynihan. Writing for the Progressive Policy Institute in 1990, they say "The relationship [between crime and single-parent families, which are typically fatherless families] is so strong that controlling for family configuration erases the relationship between race and crime and between low income and crime. The relationship shows up time and again in the literature."'
    source: The War Against Boys (new and revised edition) by Christina Hoff Sommers, p. 120.

    So, if you see a teenage boy walking toward you, worry more about whether he has a father in his life than whether has a pocket knife.

    (I have not seen any data, or even any reporting on this, but I think it likely that few of Jeffrey Epstein's victims had fathers in their lives. Daughters need fathers, too.)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,481

    Evening PB.

    The Danes may now be thinking they can strike some kind of deal with Trump, too.

    Apparently they're planning on swapping Greenland for TikTok
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,641
    YouGov:

    43% of those who voted Tory at the last election support a merger between Con and RefUK.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,434
    Canadian preparations for war.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY7vF-0DMWQ
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613
    edited February 3
    biggles said:

    Is it possible that snooty “we’re much cleverer than him and his supporters” tweets are not the complete answer to how the democrats beat Trump’s mob at the polls?

    No but whether the GOP hold Congress and the White House in 4 years will depend more on Trump's handling of the economy than what the Democrats do. In any case in 2028 the GOP nominee will likely be Vance who is cleverer than Harris and Biden as well as Trump
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,538
    edited February 3

    GB Energy says it may not meet pledge to employ 1,000 people ‘for 20 years’
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/03/gb-energy-says-it-may-not-meet-pledge-to-employ-1000-people-for-20-years

    So much for cheaper bills.

    An easy way to reduce bills would be to not employ 1,000 people for the sake of it, to be fair.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,895
    edited February 3
    Eabhal said:

    GB Energy says it may not meet pledge to employ 1,000 people ‘for 20 years’
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/03/gb-energy-says-it-may-not-meet-pledge-to-employ-1000-people-for-20-years

    So much for cheaper bills.

    An easy way to reduce bills would be to not employ 1,000 people, to be fair.
    Good luck getting that logic through to Ed Miliband....
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,618
    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    algarkirk said:

    biggles said:

    Driver said:

    kle4 said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Can I defend Wetherspoon's please?

    As one of those unfortunate types (I know, I know, we're a rare breed on this forum) who definitely have to watch their pennies when going to the pub, the 'double breakfast' whereby one can order two whole Wetherspoon's breakfasts and not have to chop off one's own toenails for sale on the black market in recompense pleases me greatly.

    Easy to be sniffy at Spoons. Nothing wrong with it. The beer is decent and doesn't cost the earth. The food is fine for what it is.

    Plenty of remainers knock Spoons for no better reason than they don't like the owner.
    The young people love Spoons. Once my daughter turned 18 she practically lived at the Brockley Barge.
    There was I time I also frequented the Barge. Back then it was just about the only pub in the area where you didn’t get stared at when you walked in. Didn’t realise it is now a youth hang out though.

    And you are wrong on McDonald’s. It’s excellent. Knocks spots off KFC, BK, Morley’s, even Pizza Hut (to which I’m a bit partial). So much so that last weekend I bought some chuck steak, got it minced, and am going to do a snackmasters-style attempt with my daughter (who’s a big McD fan) to perfectly replicate a McDonald’s cheeseburger. Complete with tiny slivers of iceberg lettuce, microwaved (it works) tiny chopped onions, gherkin, the works.
    Pizza Hut?!
    A Pizza Hut, a Pizza Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut
    A Pizza Hut, a Pizza Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut
    McDonald's, McDonald's, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut
    McDonald's, McDonald's, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOC9d17vASc&t=64s
    Is that not the Yank version?

    The British one has Happy Eater in it.
    Then British children were singing the Yank version 30 years ago when I was a child.
    When I learned it (mid-late 80s), that one was the first verse and the second verse was:

    A Burger King, a Burger King, a Little Chef and a Burger King
    Happy Eater, Happy Eater, a Little Chef and a Burger King


    Of course, Little Chef and Happy Eater are no longer with us. LC's owner bought HE's owner in the mid 90s and converted all HEs to LC, but that was the beginning of the end - LC was a shadow of its former self by the mid Noughties and all gone by 2018.
    Wait, hang on, Little Chef has gone? The number of times I stop at services and never noticed. That’s quite sad. I must have just stopped going…
    Steady on. I'm a pleb and regard Spoons as expensive posh fine wining and dining for special occasions only, but I drew the line at Little Chef.
    Eh? A colleague and I used to call in regularly on the one on the Fosse Way somewhere in the Cotdswolds when heading down to Somerset etc. for work/cider/Yeovilton air show. It was great!
    Hiking the Offa's Dyke footpath a few years ago I found myself in Monmouth in need of an eatery that would welcome without condescension someone who looked (and smelt) like they'd walked 160 miles to get there. Wetherspoons it was. I'd rate it as perfectly adequate, which in my book is high praise indeed.
    Many, many years ago, as a student I was sent with the lab tech and the van to collect some stuff on an overnighter. When we'd got to the hotel and dumped our bags, he insisted on going to one of those chain steak places (I forget the name but it was c. 1980 and the typical menu was prawn cocktail, steak and chips, and Black Forest, albeit with some options). He explained that at least he knew what to expect, and could eat and digest it, when he was tired after driving all day and had a long day the next day packing the gear and driving home and unloading. It was a lesson in its little way: I've never been too dismissive of such places since - so long as the stuff is edible.
    Ah, I used to love a Berni Inn.

    I rather fancy this place next time I am in The Smoke, it's a real Eighties time capsule:

    https://oslocourtrestaurant.co.uk/
    Ooof. Sorry.

    £55-70 per head is a lot for an 80s recreation.

    That's in the same price range as a fixed price or tasting menu at the Veeraswamy. Probably including wine.

    https://www.veeraswamy.com/menu/
    That's the thing. It's not a recreation, it's original, and it gets very good reviews.
    Duck à l'orange! Haven’t seen that for years.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,587
    https://x.com/warmonitor3/status/1886550644707762263

    American military surveillance aircraft for the first time are operating freely over Mexican sovereignty territory hunting for Sinaloan cartel gang cells, clearly an agreement between Mexico and the US has been struck.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,216
    biggles said:

    Why is Big G trying to spin this as a win for Trump?
    He’s got nothing and he looks like a total twat.

    Not to the Cult!

    They see, in their minds eye, Mexican soldiers lining the border and stopping that fentanyl in its tracks.
    Yup. Trump has signalled his support for domestic manufacturing and his opponents can be characterised as being against it. We all know that’s bollocks but it’s the game he’s playing. If you want to beat him, you have to actually have a plan for the poor sods who lost out (and they did lose out) to globalisation.
    The Dems have so much work to do.

    Complete root and branch review and rework of much they stand for.

    Why has the american working class abandoned them? Indeed why do they despise the party?

    Huge challenge. Possibly too great a challenge? Are there enough senior people left in the Dems who can do a Bill Clinton - understand the present, sympathise, emote with the present and yet raise the eyes to a better time?

    Hyper-liberalism must go. Focus on identity and angels on pins must go. Any crap from a liberal arts university Phd written in last twenty years has to go.

    Economics. Pocket book.

    Common sense. Not Trump's common sense but the alternative.


  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,641

    biggles said:

    Why is Big G trying to spin this as a win for Trump?
    He’s got nothing and he looks like a total twat.

    Not to the Cult!

    They see, in their minds eye, Mexican soldiers lining the border and stopping that fentanyl in its tracks.
    Yup. Trump has signalled his support for domestic manufacturing and his opponents can be characterised as being against it. We all know that’s bollocks but it’s the game he’s playing. If you want to beat him, you have to actually have a plan for the poor sods who lost out (and they did lose out) to globalisation.
    The Dems have so much work to do.

    Complete root and branch review and rework of much they stand for.

    Why has the american working class abandoned them? Indeed why do they despise the party?

    Huge challenge. Possibly too great a challenge? Are there enough senior people left in the Dems who can do a Bill Clinton - understand the present, sympathise, emote with the present and yet raise the eyes to a better time?

    Hyper-liberalism must go. Focus on identity and angels on pins must go. Any crap from a liberal arts university Phd written in last twenty years has to go.

    Economics. Pocket book.

    Common sense. Not Trump's common sense but the alternative.


    Agree 100%. Hyperliberalism is ruining liberalism, which most people in the west still support.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,618

    biggles said:

    Why is Big G trying to spin this as a win for Trump?
    He’s got nothing and he looks like a total twat.

    Not to the Cult!

    They see, in their minds eye, Mexican soldiers lining the border and stopping that fentanyl in its tracks.
    Yup. Trump has signalled his support for domestic manufacturing and his opponents can be characterised as being against it. We all know that’s bollocks but it’s the game he’s playing. If you want to beat him, you have to actually have a plan for the poor sods who lost out (and they did lose out) to globalisation.
    The Dems have so much work to do.

    Complete root and branch review and rework of much they stand for.

    Why has the american working class abandoned them? Indeed why do they despise the party?

    Huge challenge. Possibly too great a challenge? Are there enough senior people left in the Dems who can do a Bill Clinton - understand the present, sympathise, emote with the present and yet raise the eyes to a better time?

    Hyper-liberalism must go. Focus on identity and angels on pins must go. Any crap from a liberal arts university Phd written in last twenty years has to go.

    Economics. Pocket book.

    Common sense. Not Trump's common sense but the alternative.


    Someone needs to do it here too. A proper plan to do real levelling up. Use government funds to put our thumb on the scales and create new jobs in places that otherwise won’t get them. Like, say, a vaccine factory in Liverpool….
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999
    ...
    Andy_JS said:

    YouGov:

    43% of those who voted Tory at the last election support a merger between Con and RefUK.

    Err, that gives us 57% who don't or don't know. That's huge.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,914

    Why is Big G trying to spin this as a win for Trump?
    He’s got nothing and he looks like a total twat.

    Maybe it is a win for sensible compromise and let's hope that is the way it will continue

    Nobody wins without settling disagreements but of course we have no idea what happens in 30 days or beyond
    What compromise.
    Trump opening position was for Canada to become 51st state, and he’s walked away with a “drug czar”.
    Don’t be daft.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613
    Andy_JS said:

    YouGov:

    43% of those who voted Tory at the last election support a merger between Con and RefUK.

    31% don't.

    40% of Reform voters don't to just 31% for

    https://news.sky.com/story/reform-uk-tops-landmark-poll-for-first-time-13302531
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,895
    edited February 3
    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    Why is Big G trying to spin this as a win for Trump?
    He’s got nothing and he looks like a total twat.

    Not to the Cult!

    They see, in their minds eye, Mexican soldiers lining the border and stopping that fentanyl in its tracks.
    Yup. Trump has signalled his support for domestic manufacturing and his opponents can be characterised as being against it. We all know that’s bollocks but it’s the game he’s playing. If you want to beat him, you have to actually have a plan for the poor sods who lost out (and they did lose out) to globalisation.
    The Dems have so much work to do.

    Complete root and branch review and rework of much they stand for.

    Why has the american working class abandoned them? Indeed why do they despise the party?

    Huge challenge. Possibly too great a challenge? Are there enough senior people left in the Dems who can do a Bill Clinton - understand the present, sympathise, emote with the present and yet raise the eyes to a better time?

    Hyper-liberalism must go. Focus on identity and angels on pins must go. Any crap from a liberal arts university Phd written in last twenty years has to go.

    Economics. Pocket book.

    Common sense. Not Trump's common sense but the alternative.


    Someone needs to do it here too. A proper plan to do real levelling up. Use government funds to put our thumb on the scales and create new jobs in places that otherwise won’t get them. Like, say, a vaccine factory in Liverpool….
    Yet another bizarre decision from the government. Its the sort of counterproductive penny pinching that is normally laid at the Tory door.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999

    https://x.com/warmonitor3/status/1886550644707762263

    American military surveillance aircraft for the first time are operating freely over Mexican sovereignty territory hunting for Sinaloan cartel gang cells, clearly an agreement between Mexico and the US has been struck.

    Are you paid by someone or some organisation to post Trump propaganda all day long? Does your employer assume you can grind us all down over time. Hats off to you, some are already buckling.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613
    edited February 3

    biggles said:

    Why is Big G trying to spin this as a win for Trump?
    He’s got nothing and he looks like a total twat.

    Not to the Cult!

    They see, in their minds eye, Mexican soldiers lining the border and stopping that fentanyl in its tracks.
    Yup. Trump has signalled his support for domestic manufacturing and his opponents can be characterised as being against it. We all know that’s bollocks but it’s the game he’s playing. If you want to beat him, you have to actually have a plan for the poor sods who lost out (and they did lose out) to globalisation.
    The Dems have so much work to do.

    Complete root and branch review and rework of much they stand for.

    Why has the american working class abandoned them? Indeed why do they despise the party?

    Huge challenge. Possibly too great a challenge? Are there enough senior people left in the Dems who can do a Bill Clinton - understand the present, sympathise, emote with the present and yet raise the eyes to a better time?

    Hyper-liberalism must go. Focus on identity and angels on pins must go. Any crap from a liberal arts university Phd written in last twenty years has to go.

    Economics. Pocket book.

    Common sense. Not Trump's common sense but the alternative.


    They could do all that but if US prices are low and jobs growing and immigration falling in 2028 it will make little difference, they will still lose.

    However even if they stick to wokeism if Trump's tariffs have increased prices, not grown jobs and immigration cuts have hit growth then they will likely win anyway.

    Bill Clinton mainly won in 1992 as it followed a recession, as Obama did in 2008, had Clinton run in 1988 Bush would probably have beaten him
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,641
    The virus is catching.

    "Ecuador announces 27% tariffs on Mexican goods"

    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/03/americas/ecuador-mexico-tariffs-intl-latam/index.html
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,587

    https://x.com/warmonitor3/status/1886550644707762263

    American military surveillance aircraft for the first time are operating freely over Mexican sovereignty territory hunting for Sinaloan cartel gang cells, clearly an agreement between Mexico and the US has been struck.

    Are you paid by someone or some organisation to post Trump propaganda all day long? Does your employer assume you can grind us all down over time. Hats off to you, some are already buckling.
    I’m hoping DOGE won’t cut off my payments.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,958
    Musk bringing neo-Nazi children into government, all very cool and normal.
    https://bsky.app/profile/chadloder.bsky.social/post/3lhc5rkbnrc2d
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,641
    Sky News paper review:

    "1 in 3 steals at self-service checkouts".

    Depressing indeed. Maybe rcs1000 was right about 10%/80%/10%.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,214

    The problem for the Tories is
    you can imagine labour voters going to Reform
    you can imagine labour voters going to LD
    you can imagine labour voters going to Green
    you can imagine labour voters going to the SNP /PC

    I cannot imagine labour voters going to the tories atm - all other reasons to move from labour are hoovered by the above parties

    Comfortably off former Conservative voters who thought that Labour would provide sleaze free, competent government and are now regretting their decision.
    And going to the LDs in the Home Counties and similar posh bits elsewhere.?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,216
    Times: NHS withholds Nottingham report to keep killer's privacy.

    Wow. Just fucking wow.

    Full report is 200 pages.

    Public - who pay for this shit - will get two page summary.



  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,434
    Andy_JS said:

    biggles said:

    Why is Big G trying to spin this as a win for Trump?
    He’s got nothing and he looks like a total twat.

    Not to the Cult!

    They see, in their minds eye, Mexican soldiers lining the border and stopping that fentanyl in its tracks.
    Yup. Trump has signalled his support for domestic manufacturing and his opponents can be characterised as being against it. We all know that’s bollocks but it’s the game he’s playing. If you want to beat him, you have to actually have a plan for the poor sods who lost out (and they did lose out) to globalisation.
    The Dems have so much work to do.

    Complete root and branch review and rework of much they stand for.

    Why has the american working class abandoned them? Indeed why do they despise the party?

    Huge challenge. Possibly too great a challenge? Are there enough senior people left in the Dems who can do a Bill Clinton - understand the present, sympathise, emote with the present and yet raise the eyes to a better time?

    Hyper-liberalism must go. Focus on identity and angels on pins must go. Any crap from a liberal arts university Phd written in last twenty years has to go.

    Economics. Pocket book.

    Common sense. Not Trump's common sense but the alternative.


    Agree 100%. Hyperliberalism is ruining liberalism, which most people in the west still support.
    If I may politely disagree. The Dems need to construct an argument on what they want to do and persuade the public that it's better than Trump. The "ditch the hyperliberalism thing " (haven't got to that part in the book yet, I'm still stuck in the Russian dissident vignettes: Gray is arsing around again, not getting to the point) simply removes policies. The Dems have to add policies: specifically, what can they offer that's better than Trump.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613
    49% of Britons support introducing proportional representation, with just 26% backing first past the post

    PR: 49%
    FPTP: 26%

    By party voted for in 2024
    Green: 72% PR vs 15% FPTP
    Reform UK: 67% vs 20%
    Lib Dem: 61% vs 20%
    Labour: 53% vs 27%
    Conservative: 39% vs 42%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1886359415290253471
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,641
    HYUFD said:

    49% of Britons support introducing proportional representation, with just 26% backing first past the post

    PR: 49%
    FPTP: 26%

    By party voted for in 2024
    Green: 72% PR vs 15% FPTP
    Reform UK: 67% vs 20%
    Lib Dem: 61% vs 20%
    Labour: 53% vs 27%
    Conservative: 39% vs 42%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1886359415290253471

    Not surprising after a party won a 170 seat majority with 33.7%.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,895
    HYUFD said:

    49% of Britons support introducing proportional representation, with just 26% backing first past the post

    PR: 49%
    FPTP: 26%

    By party voted for in 2024
    Green: 72% PR vs 15% FPTP
    Reform UK: 67% vs 20%
    Lib Dem: 61% vs 20%
    Labour: 53% vs 27%
    Conservative: 39% vs 42%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1886359415290253471

    Sounds like we need a thread on voting systems like......erhhh.....hmmm.....well.....AV
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,216
    HYUFD said:

    49% of Britons support introducing proportional representation, with just 26% backing first past the post

    PR: 49%
    FPTP: 26%

    By party voted for in 2024
    Green: 72% PR vs 15% FPTP
    Reform UK: 67% vs 20%
    Lib Dem: 61% vs 20%
    Labour: 53% vs 27%
    Conservative: 39% vs 42%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1886359415290253471

    Doesnt matter.

    Not happening.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,641

    HYUFD said:

    49% of Britons support introducing proportional representation, with just 26% backing first past the post

    PR: 49%
    FPTP: 26%

    By party voted for in 2024
    Green: 72% PR vs 15% FPTP
    Reform UK: 67% vs 20%
    Lib Dem: 61% vs 20%
    Labour: 53% vs 27%
    Conservative: 39% vs 42%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1886359415290253471

    Doesnt matter.

    Not happening.
    Even if Lab go so low that they know PR is the only way to stay in power via a coalition?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,216
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    biggles said:

    Why is Big G trying to spin this as a win for Trump?
    He’s got nothing and he looks like a total twat.

    Not to the Cult!

    They see, in their minds eye, Mexican soldiers lining the border and stopping that fentanyl in its tracks.
    Yup. Trump has signalled his support for domestic manufacturing and his opponents can be characterised as being against it. We all know that’s bollocks but it’s the game he’s playing. If you want to beat him, you have to actually have a plan for the poor sods who lost out (and they did lose out) to globalisation.
    The Dems have so much work to do.

    Complete root and branch review and rework of much they stand for.

    Why has the american working class abandoned them? Indeed why do they despise the party?

    Huge challenge. Possibly too great a challenge? Are there enough senior people left in the Dems who can do a Bill Clinton - understand the present, sympathise, emote with the present and yet raise the eyes to a better time?

    Hyper-liberalism must go. Focus on identity and angels on pins must go. Any crap from a liberal arts university Phd written in last twenty years has to go.

    Economics. Pocket book.

    Common sense. Not Trump's common sense but the alternative.


    Agree 100%. Hyperliberalism is ruining liberalism, which most people in the west still support.
    If I may politely disagree. The Dems need to construct an argument on what they want to do and persuade the public that it's better than Trump. The "ditch the hyperliberalism thing " (haven't got to that part in the book yet, I'm still stuck in the Russian dissident vignettes: Gray is arsing around again, not getting to the point) simply removes policies. The Dems have to add policies: specifically, what can they offer that's better than Trump.
    Policies that recognize how people actually live their lives and how active government could improve things, especially economics.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,216
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    49% of Britons support introducing proportional representation, with just 26% backing first past the post

    PR: 49%
    FPTP: 26%

    By party voted for in 2024
    Green: 72% PR vs 15% FPTP
    Reform UK: 67% vs 20%
    Lib Dem: 61% vs 20%
    Labour: 53% vs 27%
    Conservative: 39% vs 42%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1886359415290253471

    Doesnt matter.

    Not happening.
    Even if Lab go so low that they know PR is the only way to stay in power via a coalition?
    Still not happening.

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,434

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    biggles said:

    Why is Big G trying to spin this as a win for Trump?
    He’s got nothing and he looks like a total twat.

    Not to the Cult!

    They see, in their minds eye, Mexican soldiers lining the border and stopping that fentanyl in its tracks.
    Yup. Trump has signalled his support for domestic manufacturing and his opponents can be characterised as being against it. We all know that’s bollocks but it’s the game he’s playing. If you want to beat him, you have to actually have a plan for the poor sods who lost out (and they did lose out) to globalisation.
    The Dems have so much work to do.

    Complete root and branch review and rework of much they stand for.

    Why has the american working class abandoned them? Indeed why do they despise the party?

    Huge challenge. Possibly too great a challenge? Are there enough senior people left in the Dems who can do a Bill Clinton - understand the present, sympathise, emote with the present and yet raise the eyes to a better time?

    Hyper-liberalism must go. Focus on identity and angels on pins must go. Any crap from a liberal arts university Phd written in last twenty years has to go.

    Economics. Pocket book.

    Common sense. Not Trump's common sense but the alternative.


    Agree 100%. Hyperliberalism is ruining liberalism, which most people in the west still support.
    If I may politely disagree. The Dems need to construct an argument on what they want to do and persuade the public that it's better than Trump. The "ditch the hyperliberalism thing " (haven't got to that part in the book yet, I'm still stuck in the Russian dissident vignettes: Gray is arsing around again, not getting to the point) simply removes policies. The Dems have to add policies: specifically, what can they offer that's better than Trump.
    Policies that recognize how people actually live their lives and how active government could improve things, especially economics.

    I don't think that works. "Deliverism" did not produce votes in 2024. The Dems have instead to construct coalitions by bringing disparate groups of voters onto their side. The obvious example is the unions, who were split, and any Dem party that has lost the unions cannot win. The Dems tried identity politics but - whoops - the Hispanics went to the Reps. What groups of people can the Dems assemble to get to 50%+1, and how?
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,173
    This nursery rhyme seems appropriate for today's big story:

    Oh, the grand old Duke of York,
    He had ten thousand men;
    He marched them up to the top of the hill,
    And he marched them down again.

    When they were up, they were up,
    And when they were down, they were down,
    And when they were only halfway up,
    They were neither up nor down,

    (Some may prefer "Duke of Trump".)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,641
    New John Gray article in the New Statesman.

    "The brutal world of the Brothers Grimm
    The German brothers’ fairy tales, in which moral laws are suspended and violence abounds, were no stranger than the progressive fantasies that replaced them.
    By John Gray"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/book-of-the-day/2025/02/the-brutal-world-of-the-brothers-grimm
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,434
    Andy_JS said:

    New John Gray article in the New Statesman.

    "The brutal world of the Brothers Grimm
    The German brothers’ fairy tales, in which moral laws are suspended and violence abounds, were no stranger than the progressive fantasies that replaced them.
    By John Gray"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/book-of-the-day/2025/02/the-brutal-world-of-the-brothers-grimm

    First: here's an archive link: https://archive.is/FeXng

    Second: the article says "[George] Lucas’s battles in a far-off future.". To point out the bleedin' obvious, Star Wars is set "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...."
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,641
    edited February 4
    I'd be interested to see how RefUK are doing with young men, particularly without degrees. I suspect they're one of the party's best groups after the white van man/woman demographic. (Obviously there'll be a bit of overlap between those two groups, although I usually think of most white van man/woman as being a bit older).
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,895
    Former US President Joe Biden has signed with a Los Angeles talent agency - marking a significant step in shaping his post-presidency career.

    The signing marks a reunion with Creative Artists Agency (CAA), which previously represented him from 2017 to 2020.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,434
    If anybody wants the CDC datasets deleted in Trump's purge, you can find them here: https://archive.org/details/20250128-cdc-datasets
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