I thought there had already been a National Enquiry, under Braverman.
Maybe 5? Three on specific gangs, one on characteristics of such gangs, and a very large one on child sexual abuse more broadly https://www.iicsa.org.uk/index.html that has published 24 research reports, 19 investigation reports, 8 reports on engagement with victims, an interim report and an overall final report.
All of which has resulted in how many public officials being prosecuted?
Yes, that’s part of the anger. Where’s the reckoning? Where are the bent, lying, craven councillors, cops, bureaucrats, politicians doing time? Or even facing trial? Any? Any at all???
A new inquiry must have the power and obligation to send people to the CPS with a recommendation for trials
I hate to be a pedant but please spell out the criminal offences for each of these groups - - police officers - Local police chiefs - Local councillors - social workers - those working in care homes - Heads of Social Services Departments - Local MPs - National politicians in the Home Office - Home Office civil servants
When I took up a career in finance I agreed that I had to report anything I suspected criminal activity to the police as part of the accreditation from the regulator and I could have been prosecuted had I not done so and criminal activity took place I didn't report. The public sector, all state employees, need the same legally binding oversight if there isn't one already.
Are you referring to the Suspicious Order and Transaction Reporting obligations? Or something else?
I presume so. In the mandatory trainings I do, the criminal penalties for non-reporting are emphasised.
I have to do a yearly HR-mandated "Why you shouldn't throw lit matches into a pile of firelighters and paper" course. We all have our crosses to bare.
Indeed.
Question 23
An Orc of Mordor sends you an email. Following the defeat of Sauron by Ar-Pharazon The Golden, Sauron was a POW in Numenor. During this period, Mr Orc came into possession of a substantial quantity of mithril from the Treasury of the Baradur.
1) Do you agree to his suggestion to sell the metal, faking provenance documents? 2) Do you pass him onto your mate Dave at Trafigura, in return for a 25% commission? 3) Call compliance, without alerting Mr Orc?
I thought there had already been a National Enquiry, under Braverman.
Maybe 5? Three on specific gangs, one on characteristics of such gangs, and a very large one on child sexual abuse more broadly https://www.iicsa.org.uk/index.html that has published 24 research reports, 19 investigation reports, 8 reports on engagement with victims, an interim report and an overall final report.
All of which has resulted in how many public officials being prosecuted?
Yes, that’s part of the anger. Where’s the reckoning? Where are the bent, lying, craven councillors, cops, bureaucrats, politicians doing time? Or even facing trial? Any? Any at all???
A new inquiry must have the power and obligation to send people to the CPS with a recommendation for trials
I hate to be a pedant but please spell out the criminal offences for each of these groups - - police officers - Local police chiefs - Local councillors - social workers - those working in care homes - Heads of Social Services Departments - Local MPs - National politicians in the Home Office - Home Office civil servants
When I took up a career in finance I agreed that I had to report anything I suspected criminal activity to the police as part of the accreditation from the regulator and I could have been prosecuted had I not done so and criminal activity took place I didn't report. The public sector, all state employees, need the same legally binding oversight if there isn't one already.
Are you referring to the Suspicious Order and Transaction Reporting obligations? Or something else?
I presume so. In the mandatory trainings I do, the criminal penalties for non-reporting are emphasised.
I have to do a yearly HR-mandated "Why you shouldn't throw lit matches into a pile of firelighters and paper" course. We all have our crosses to bare.
Indeed.
Question 23
An Orc of Mordor sends you an email. Following the defeat of Sauron by Ar-Pharazon The Golden, Sauron was a POW in Numenor. During this period, Mr Orc came into possession of a substantial quantity of mithril from the Treasury of the Baradur.
1) Do you agree to his suggestion to sell the metal, faking provenance documents? 2) Do you pass him onto your mate Dave at Trafigura, in return for a 25% commission? 3) Call compliance, without alerting Mr Orc?
That sounds like the KYC compliance I had to do every year...
I thought there had already been a National Enquiry, under Braverman.
Maybe 5? Three on specific gangs, one on characteristics of such gangs, and a very large one on child sexual abuse more broadly https://www.iicsa.org.uk/index.html that has published 24 research reports, 19 investigation reports, 8 reports on engagement with victims, an interim report and an overall final report.
Returning to Musk, it is a co-incidence that his activities seem focused on the three countries Russia most wishes to subvert? The USA, UK, and Germany?
He has Trump - best thought of as an eminently bribable kleptocrat - already installed, and is now rooting for Reform/Tommy Robinson in the UK and AfD in Germany.
Probably yes it is a co-incidence.
I don't see how calling for an inquiry into a generation rape scandal is subverting the UK?
Did you just fall out of Kamala Harris’s coconut tree?
He is not “calling for an inquiry”. Today alone he called Jess Philips a “rape genocide apologist”, called on Starmer to resign, and tweeted criticism of the UK government 23 times in the space of a single hour.
Returning to Musk, it is a co-incidence that his activities seem focused on the three countries Russia most wishes to subvert? The USA, UK, and Germany?
He has Trump - best thought of as an eminently bribable kleptocrat - already installed, and is now rooting for Reform/Tommy Robinson in the UK and AfD in Germany.
Probably yes it is a co-incidence.
I don't see how calling for an inquiry into a generation rape scandal is subverting the UK?
Did you just fall out of Kamala Harris’s coconut tree? He is not “calling for an inquiry”. Today alone he called Jess Philips a “rape genocide apologist”, called on Starmer to resign, and tweeted criticism of the UK government 23 times in the space of a single hour.
It's called scrutiny. Labour needs to get used to it.
I thought there had already been a National Enquiry, under Braverman.
Maybe 5? Three on specific gangs, one on characteristics of such gangs, and a very large one on child sexual abuse more broadly https://www.iicsa.org.uk/index.html that has published 24 research reports, 19 investigation reports, 8 reports on engagement with victims, an interim report and an overall final report.
All of which has resulted in how many public officials being prosecuted?
Yes, that’s part of the anger. Where’s the reckoning? Where are the bent, lying, craven councillors, cops, bureaucrats, politicians doing time? Or even facing trial? Any? Any at all???
A new inquiry must have the power and obligation to send people to the CPS with a recommendation for trials
I hate to be a pedant but please spell out the criminal offences for each of these groups - - police officers - Local police chiefs - Local councillors - social workers - those working in care homes - Heads of Social Services Departments - Local MPs - National politicians in the Home Office - Home Office civil servants
When I took up a career in finance I agreed that I had to report anything I suspected criminal activity to the police as part of the accreditation from the regulator and I could have been prosecuted had I not done so and criminal activity took place I didn't report. The public sector, all state employees, need the same legally binding oversight if there isn't one already.
Are you referring to the Suspicious Order and Transaction Reporting obligations? Or something else?
I presume so. In the mandatory trainings I do, the criminal penalties for non-reporting are emphasised.
I have to do a yearly HR-mandated "Why you shouldn't throw lit matches into a pile of firelighters and paper" course. We all have our crosses to bare.
Indeed.
Question 23
An Orc of Mordor sends you an email. Following the defeat of Sauron by Ar-Pharazon The Golden, Sauron was a POW in Numenor. During this period, Mr Orc came into possession of a substantial quantity of mithril from the Treasury of the Baradur.
1) Do you agree to his suggestion to sell the metal, faking provenance documents? 2) Do you pass him onto your mate Dave at Trafigura, in return for a 25% commission? 3) Call compliance, without alerting Mr Orc?
That sounds like the KYC compliance I had to do every year...
Question 64
A Balrog of Morgoth is wishes to open an account with the bank. Is a Fallen Divine Being in thrall to the Devil a
1) Good potential customer? 2) A potential Politically Exposed Person - call compliance?
Returning to Musk, it is a co-incidence that his activities seem focused on the three countries Russia most wishes to subvert? The USA, UK, and Germany?
He has Trump - best thought of as an eminently bribable kleptocrat - already installed, and is now rooting for Reform/Tommy Robinson in the UK and AfD in Germany.
Probably yes it is a co-incidence.
I don't see how calling for an inquiry into a generation rape scandal is subverting the UK?
Did you just fall out of Kamala Harris’s coconut tree?
He is not “calling for an inquiry”. Today alone he called Jess Philips a “rape genocide apologist”, called on Starmer to resign, and tweeted criticism of the UK government 23 times in the space of a single hour.
I thought there had already been a National Enquiry, under Braverman.
Maybe 5? Three on specific gangs, one on characteristics of such gangs, and a very large one on child sexual abuse more broadly https://www.iicsa.org.uk/index.html that has published 24 research reports, 19 investigation reports, 8 reports on engagement with victims, an interim report and an overall final report.
All of which has resulted in how many public officials being prosecuted?
Yes, that’s part of the anger. Where’s the reckoning? Where are the bent, lying, craven councillors, cops, bureaucrats, politicians doing time? Or even facing trial? Any? Any at all???
A new inquiry must have the power and obligation to send people to the CPS with a recommendation for trials
I hate to be a pedant but please spell out the criminal offences for each of these groups - - police officers - Local police chiefs - Local councillors - social workers - those working in care homes - Heads of Social Services Departments - Local MPs - National politicians in the Home Office - Home Office civil servants
When I took up a career in finance I agreed that I had to report anything I suspected criminal activity to the police as part of the accreditation from the regulator and I could have been prosecuted had I not done so and criminal activity took place I didn't report. The public sector, all state employees, need the same legally binding oversight if there isn't one already.
Are you referring to the Suspicious Order and Transaction Reporting obligations? Or something else?
Yes. I know it's specific to financial crime though.
And the obligation is not to report it to the police but to the regulator through the compliance department or the Head of Investigations, if your employer has one. As I was. I spent a long time dealing with such investigations and this regime and the regulator and a number of high profile prosecutions consequent on such reports.
There is no general legal obligation to report a suspicion or even knowledge of a crime to the police. Many banks don't even report fraud perpetrated against them to the police. And a failure to do so is not a criminal offence. There are some laws which make such a failure a criminal offence eg under the Terrorism Act.
Where people have specific duties eg police officers a failure to carry out those duties should lead to consequences. But this is very different from saying, as some have seemed to this evening, that the entire Home Office should be sent to trial because rapes happened on their watch.
This is a difficult, sensitive and important topic. It needs to be dealt with properly not in a hysterical way at the behest of shit-stirring moguls with dubious agendas and a great deal of ignorance about the realities and applicable laws here.
Please understand that I am saying this with the benefit of having done thousands of sensitive difficult investigations and so with some understanding of what is involved from a practical, legal and emotional perspective. Cool sensible heads are needed. None of this means I downplay the seriousness of what has happened nor my own personal revulsion. But judgment - not hysteria - is what's needed.
If you're looking for judgment rather than hysteria, I think you've come to the wrong place tonight.
Returning to Musk, it is a co-incidence that his activities seem focused on the three countries Russia most wishes to subvert? The USA, UK, and Germany?
He has Trump - best thought of as an eminently bribable kleptocrat - already installed, and is now rooting for Reform/Tommy Robinson in the UK and AfD in Germany.
Probably yes it is a co-incidence.
I don't see how calling for an inquiry into a generation rape scandal is subverting the UK?
Did you just fall out of Kamala Harris’s coconut tree? He is not “calling for an inquiry”. Today alone he called Jess Philips a “rape genocide apologist”, called on Starmer to resign, and tweeted criticism of the UK government 23 times in the space of a single hour.
It's called scrutiny. Labour needs to get used to it.
I thought there had already been a National Enquiry, under Braverman.
Maybe 5? Three on specific gangs, one on characteristics of such gangs, and a very large one on child sexual abuse more broadly https://www.iicsa.org.uk/index.html that has published 24 research reports, 19 investigation reports, 8 reports on engagement with victims, an interim report and an overall final report.
All of which has resulted in how many public officials being prosecuted?
Yes, that’s part of the anger. Where’s the reckoning? Where are the bent, lying, craven councillors, cops, bureaucrats, politicians doing time? Or even facing trial? Any? Any at all???
A new inquiry must have the power and obligation to send people to the CPS with a recommendation for trials
I hate to be a pedant but please spell out the criminal offences for each of these groups - - police officers - Local police chiefs - Local councillors - social workers - those working in care homes - Heads of Social Services Departments - Local MPs - National politicians in the Home Office - Home Office civil servants
When I took up a career in finance I agreed that I had to report anything I suspected criminal activity to the police as part of the accreditation from the regulator and I could have been prosecuted had I not done so and criminal activity took place I didn't report. The public sector, all state employees, need the same legally binding oversight if there isn't one already.
Are you referring to the Suspicious Order and Transaction Reporting obligations? Or something else?
I presume so. In the mandatory trainings I do, the criminal penalties for non-reporting are emphasised.
I know. The obligation is not to report to the police but to the regulator.
Yes, the regulator, not the police. Though I do seem to remember being told that criminal proceedings could be brought if suspected criminal activity wasn't reported.
Again, by the regulator - not the police - and it will often be against the firm. It will be against the individual if their non-disclosure is particularly egregious.
Returning to Musk, it is a co-incidence that his activities seem focused on the three countries Russia most wishes to subvert? The USA, UK, and Germany?
He has Trump - best thought of as an eminently bribable kleptocrat - already installed, and is now rooting for Reform/Tommy Robinson in the UK and AfD in Germany.
Probably yes it is a co-incidence.
I don't see how calling for an inquiry into a generation rape scandal is subverting the UK?
Did you just fall out of Kamala Harris’s coconut tree?
He is not “calling for an inquiry”. Today alone he called Jess Philips a “rape genocide apologist”, called on Starmer to resign, and tweeted criticism of the UK government 23 times in the space of a single hour.
So the fuck what? Don’t read X
I am refuting Max’s frankly idiotic claim that Musk is merely “calling for an enquiry”.
Returning to Musk, it is a co-incidence that his activities seem focused on the three countries Russia most wishes to subvert? The USA, UK, and Germany?
He has Trump - best thought of as an eminently bribable kleptocrat - already installed, and is now rooting for Reform/Tommy Robinson in the UK and AfD in Germany.
Probably yes it is a co-incidence.
I don't see how calling for an inquiry into a generation rape scandal is subverting the UK?
Did you just fall out of Kamala Harris’s coconut tree? He is not “calling for an inquiry”. Today alone he called Jess Philips a “rape genocide apologist”, called on Starmer to resign, and tweeted criticism of the UK government 23 times in the space of a single hour.
It's called scrutiny. Labour needs to get used to it.
It’s not scrutiny, it’s demagoguery.
I'm sorry it's not. Labour are free to ignore it and turn the computers off. The reason this is working for Musk is because there is too much truth for Labour to fight against. They have no defence against the storm.
Returning to Musk, it is a co-incidence that his activities seem focused on the three countries Russia most wishes to subvert? The USA, UK, and Germany?
He has Trump - best thought of as an eminently bribable kleptocrat - already installed, and is now rooting for Reform/Tommy Robinson in the UK and AfD in Germany.
Probably yes it is a co-incidence.
I don't see how calling for an inquiry into a generation rape scandal is subverting the UK?
Did you just fall out of Kamala Harris’s coconut tree? He is not “calling for an inquiry”. Today alone he called Jess Philips a “rape genocide apologist”, called on Starmer to resign, and tweeted criticism of the UK government 23 times in the space of a single hour.
It's called scrutiny. Labour needs to get used to it.
Returning to Musk, it is a co-incidence that his activities seem focused on the three countries Russia most wishes to subvert? The USA, UK, and Germany?
He has Trump - best thought of as an eminently bribable kleptocrat - already installed, and is now rooting for Reform/Tommy Robinson in the UK and AfD in Germany.
Probably yes it is a co-incidence.
I don't see how calling for an inquiry into a generation rape scandal is subverting the UK?
Did you just fall out of Kamala Harris’s coconut tree?
He is not “calling for an inquiry”. Today alone he called Jess Philips a “rape genocide apologist”, called on Starmer to resign, and tweeted criticism of the UK government 23 times in the space of a single hour.
So the fuck what? Don’t read X
Even if I stop reading X I find the media including the BBC now report every fucking brain fart he releases.
Returning to Musk, it is a co-incidence that his activities seem focused on the three countries Russia most wishes to subvert? The USA, UK, and Germany?
He has Trump - best thought of as an eminently bribable kleptocrat - already installed, and is now rooting for Reform/Tommy Robinson in the UK and AfD in Germany.
Probably yes it is a co-incidence.
I don't see how calling for an inquiry into a generation rape scandal is subverting the UK?
Did you just fall out of Kamala Harris’s coconut tree? He is not “calling for an inquiry”. Today alone he called Jess Philips a “rape genocide apologist”, called on Starmer to resign, and tweeted criticism of the UK government 23 times in the space of a single hour.
It's called scrutiny. Labour needs to get used to it.
It’s not scrutiny, it’s demagoguery.
I'm sorry it's not. Labour are free to ignore it and turn the computers off. The reason this is working for Musk is because there is too much truth for Labour to fight against. They have no defence against the storm.
They can’t “turn their computers off”, since under the current media system, Twitter/X has a massive impact on the news agenda, and in turn want counts for political discourse in the UK.
I thought there had already been a National Enquiry, under Braverman.
Maybe 5? Three on specific gangs, one on characteristics of such gangs, and a very large one on child sexual abuse more broadly https://www.iicsa.org.uk/index.html that has published 24 research reports, 19 investigation reports, 8 reports on engagement with victims, an interim report and an overall final report.
Any prosecutions of officials?
There was no Inquiry under Braverman. May ordered one in 2015. It has done a great deal of work, and its reports are worth reading and acting on.
Its final report was in October 2022. Braverman waved 2 fingers at it in May 2023.
I thought there had already been a National Enquiry, under Braverman.
Maybe 5? Three on specific gangs, one on characteristics of such gangs, and a very large one on child sexual abuse more broadly https://www.iicsa.org.uk/index.html that has published 24 research reports, 19 investigation reports, 8 reports on engagement with victims, an interim report and an overall final report.
All of which has resulted in how many public officials being prosecuted?
Yes, that’s part of the anger. Where’s the reckoning? Where are the bent, lying, craven councillors, cops, bureaucrats, politicians doing time? Or even facing trial? Any? Any at all???
A new inquiry must have the power and obligation to send people to the CPS with a recommendation for trials
I hate to be a pedant but please spell out the criminal offences for each of these groups - - police officers - Local police chiefs - Local councillors - social workers - those working in care homes - Heads of Social Services Departments - Local MPs - National politicians in the Home Office - Home Office civil servants
When I took up a career in finance I agreed that I had to report anything I suspected criminal activity to the police as part of the accreditation from the regulator and I could have been prosecuted had I not done so and criminal activity took place I didn't report. The public sector, all state employees, need the same legally binding oversight if there isn't one already.
Are you referring to the Suspicious Order and Transaction Reporting obligations? Or something else?
I presume so. In the mandatory trainings I do, the criminal penalties for non-reporting are emphasised.
I have to do a yearly HR-mandated "Why you shouldn't throw lit matches into a pile of firelighters and paper" course. We all have our crosses to bare.
Indeed.
Question 23
An Orc of Mordor sends you an email. Following the defeat of Sauron by Ar-Pharazon The Golden, Sauron was a POW in Numenor. During this period, Mr Orc came into possession of a substantial quantity of mithril from the Treasury of the Baradur.
1) Do you agree to his suggestion to sell the metal, faking provenance documents? 2) Do you pass him onto your mate Dave at Trafigura, in return for a 25% commission? 3) Call compliance, without alerting Mr Orc?
4) Contact a Saxon England specialist at the Lamb and Flag and tell him you have one hell of a story to sell.
Returning to Musk, it is a co-incidence that his activities seem focused on the three countries Russia most wishes to subvert? The USA, UK, and Germany?
He has Trump - best thought of as an eminently bribable kleptocrat - already installed, and is now rooting for Reform/Tommy Robinson in the UK and AfD in Germany.
Probably yes it is a co-incidence.
I don't see how calling for an inquiry into a generation rape scandal is subverting the UK?
Did you just fall out of Kamala Harris’s coconut tree? He is not “calling for an inquiry”. Today alone he called Jess Philips a “rape genocide apologist”, called on Starmer to resign, and tweeted criticism of the UK government 23 times in the space of a single hour.
It's called scrutiny. Labour needs to get used to it.
It’s not scrutiny, it’s demagoguery.
I'm sorry it's not. Labour are free to ignore it and turn the computers off. The reason this is working for Musk is because there is too much truth for Labour to fight against. They have no defence against the storm.
They can’t “turn their computers off”, since under the current media system, Twitter/X has a massive impact on the news agenda, and in turn want counts for political discourse in the UK.
Then they need to start defending themselves with the truth of what happened. The trouble is that if they do it they implicate a lot of Labour people, potentially even Starmer himself as he was DPP around the time when this was all being reported for the first time and will have been in charge when charging decisions were denied.
I thought there had already been a National Enquiry, under Braverman.
Maybe 5? Three on specific gangs, one on characteristics of such gangs, and a very large one on child sexual abuse more broadly https://www.iicsa.org.uk/index.html that has published 24 research reports, 19 investigation reports, 8 reports on engagement with victims, an interim report and an overall final report.
All of which has resulted in how many public officials being prosecuted?
Yes, that’s part of the anger. Where’s the reckoning? Where are the bent, lying, craven councillors, cops, bureaucrats, politicians doing time? Or even facing trial? Any? Any at all???
A new inquiry must have the power and obligation to send people to the CPS with a recommendation for trials
I hate to be a pedant but please spell out the criminal offences for each of these groups - - police officers - Local police chiefs - Local councillors - social workers - those working in care homes - Heads of Social Services Departments - Local MPs - National politicians in the Home Office - Home Office civil servants
When I took up a career in finance I agreed that I had to report anything I suspected criminal activity to the police as part of the accreditation from the regulator and I could have been prosecuted had I not done so and criminal activity took place I didn't report. The public sector, all state employees, need the same legally binding oversight if there isn't one already.
Are you referring to the Suspicious Order and Transaction Reporting obligations? Or something else?
Yes. I know it's specific to financial crime though.
And the obligation is not to report it to the police but to the regulator through the compliance department or the Head of Investigations, if your employer has one. As I was. I spent a long time dealing with such investigations and this regime and the regulator and a number of high profile prosecutions consequent on such reports.
There is no general legal obligation to report a suspicion or even knowledge of a crime to the police. Many banks don't even report fraud perpetrated against them to the police. And a failure to do so is not a criminal offence. There are some laws which make such a failure a criminal offence eg under the Terrorism Act.
Where people have specific duties eg police officers a failure to carry out those duties should lead to consequences. But this is very different from saying, as some have seemed to this evening, that the entire Home Office should be sent to trial because rapes happened on their watch.
This is a difficult, sensitive and important topic. It needs to be dealt with properly not in a hysterical way at the behest of shit-stirring moguls with dubious agendas and a great deal of ignorance about the realities and applicable laws here.
Please understand that I am saying this with the benefit of having done thousands of sensitive difficult investigations and so with some understanding of what is involved from a practical, legal and emotional perspective. Cool sensible heads are needed. None of this means I downplay the seriousness of what has happened nor my own personal revulsion. But judgment - not hysteria - is what's needed.
If you're looking for judgment rather than hysteria, I think you've come to the wrong place tonight.
I know. I thought I might introduce some - or at least the idea of it.
If liberalism is the West’s communism and the grooming gangs are its Chernobyl, then we could be entering a period analogous to the wall of the Berlin Wall.
I thought there had already been a National Enquiry, under Braverman.
Maybe 5? Three on specific gangs, one on characteristics of such gangs, and a very large one on child sexual abuse more broadly https://www.iicsa.org.uk/index.html that has published 24 research reports, 19 investigation reports, 8 reports on engagement with victims, an interim report and an overall final report.
All of which has resulted in how many public officials being prosecuted?
Yes, that’s part of the anger. Where’s the reckoning? Where are the bent, lying, craven councillors, cops, bureaucrats, politicians doing time? Or even facing trial? Any? Any at all???
A new inquiry must have the power and obligation to send people to the CPS with a recommendation for trials
I hate to be a pedant but please spell out the criminal offences for each of these groups - - police officers - Local police chiefs - Local councillors - social workers - those working in care homes - Heads of Social Services Departments - Local MPs - National politicians in the Home Office - Home Office civil servants
When I took up a career in finance I agreed that I had to report anything I suspected criminal activity to the police as part of the accreditation from the regulator and I could have been prosecuted had I not done so and criminal activity took place I didn't report. The public sector, all state employees, need the same legally binding oversight if there isn't one already.
Are you referring to the Suspicious Order and Transaction Reporting obligations? Or something else?
I presume so. In the mandatory trainings I do, the criminal penalties for non-reporting are emphasised.
I have to do a yearly HR-mandated "Why you shouldn't throw lit matches into a pile of firelighters and paper" course. We all have our crosses to bare.
Indeed.
Question 23
An Orc of Mordor sends you an email. Following the defeat of Sauron by Ar-Pharazon The Golden, Sauron was a POW in Numenor. During this period, Mr Orc came into possession of a substantial quantity of mithril from the Treasury of the Baradur.
1) Do you agree to his suggestion to sell the metal, faking provenance documents? 2) Do you pass him onto your mate Dave at Trafigura, in return for a 25% commission? 3) Call compliance, without alerting Mr Orc?
4) Contact a Saxon England specialist at the Lamb and Flag and tell him you have one hell of a story to sell.
BUUUUUUUUZZZZZZZ!
You have failed to report suspicious activity and are in criminal breach of the regulations.
I’ve just recalled that Trump swore to “come after Starmer”
This is going to get worse
The list that Trump has sworn to come after is so long, I really doubt Starmer will make it to the top of the list in four years...
It’s the front page of tomorrow’s Times. Trump and Musk coming after Starmer
There are two different dynamics here.
1. Trump and Musk, while being typically oafish and meddling in foreign countries’ affairs, almost certainly don’t understand the history of this or the fact Starmer’s Labour wasn’t in power at the time 2. Badenoch and large parts of the Tory tribe who are trying to milk this know exactly what the history is and the fact it happened on their watch, and are being extremely hypocritical- just as they were with Ed Davey and the post office.
Who cares. They are going to make Starmer’s life utterly miserable. Good
This is the first paragraph of the Guardian’s main story right now
“Keir Starmer will attempt to reset his premiership next week by setting out a series of radical NHS changes aimed at reducing waiting times for millions of patients in England.”
Hahahaha
How many “resets” has he had now? How many relaunches of his Labour government, in just the first six months?
Also, even in that piece the NHS admins call Starmer “delusional”
The problem Starmer will have that any announcement will be lost in the press pack who are likely to be talking about Musk and Trump attack on him and his government
Starmer needs to grow some balls and simply shut X down. I say that as an adamant free-speecher, but it’s clearly a menace to society, and is allowing Elon Musk to attempt to suborn HMG’s democratically elected government.
You want to shut down Twitter. As in ban it. In the UK?
Starmer needs a rapid rebuttal unit. Someone to laugh down the President Musk and his idiocy. The tweet today saying that King Chaz should dissolve parliament and call a new election. He doesn’t even have the power, even if he wanted to. Laugh at Musk. Laugh down the fool and the clickbait morons.
Musk and Trump and Farage need taking head on. not giving them ammunition to accuse the UK of censorship of free speech
Badenoch who receives a lot of criticism on here is directly confronting Farage and so should Starmer
The Star is unimpressed by Wes Streeting's health advice
Not sure a Cabinet minister telling old folk to turn up the heating is a good idea when his CoE's very first act in government was was to take their fuel money.
“Our cooperation with other countries, and our trade relations, cannot continue to take place solely through Denmark,” he said.
I predicted this. Trump will make them an offer they can’t refuse. Become an “associated territory” of the USA. There are only 59,000 of them he can give them $50k each plus all the advantages of US citizenship while retaining autonomy
Why would they not take it? I’ve been to Greenland. A few of them would take it for two bottles of Jim Beam
Returning to Musk, it is a co-incidence that his activities seem focused on the three countries Russia most wishes to subvert? The USA, UK, and Germany?
He has Trump - best thought of as an eminently bribable kleptocrat - already installed, and is now rooting for Reform/Tommy Robinson in the UK and AfD in Germany.
Probably yes it is a co-incidence.
I don't see how calling for an inquiry into a generation rape scandal is subverting the UK?
Did you just fall out of Kamala Harris’s coconut tree? He is not “calling for an inquiry”. Today alone he called Jess Philips a “rape genocide apologist”, called on Starmer to resign, and tweeted criticism of the UK government 23 times in the space of a single hour.
It's called scrutiny. Labour needs to get used to it.
It’s not scrutiny, it’s demagoguery.
Hopefully Jess Philips is lawyering up.
He’s American. He’s got free speech. Jess philips has proved herself to be a spineless cowardly hypocrite, and an idiot
Prediction: she won’t “lawyer up” against Elon Musk
I thought there had already been a National Enquiry, under Braverman.
Maybe 5? Three on specific gangs, one on characteristics of such gangs, and a very large one on child sexual abuse more broadly https://www.iicsa.org.uk/index.html that has published 24 research reports, 19 investigation reports, 8 reports on engagement with victims, an interim report and an overall final report.
All of which has resulted in how many public officials being prosecuted?
Yes, that’s part of the anger. Where’s the reckoning? Where are the bent, lying, craven councillors, cops, bureaucrats, politicians doing time? Or even facing trial? Any? Any at all???
A new inquiry must have the power and obligation to send people to the CPS with a recommendation for trials
I hate to be a pedant but please spell out the criminal offences for each of these groups - - police officers - Local police chiefs - Local councillors - social workers - those working in care homes - Heads of Social Services Departments - Local MPs - National politicians in the Home Office - Home Office civil servants
When I took up a career in finance I agreed that I had to report anything I suspected criminal activity to the police as part of the accreditation from the regulator and I could have been prosecuted had I not done so and criminal activity took place I didn't report. The public sector, all state employees, need the same legally binding oversight if there isn't one already.
Are you referring to the Suspicious Order and Transaction Reporting obligations? Or something else?
I presume so. In the mandatory trainings I do, the criminal penalties for non-reporting are emphasised.
I have to do a yearly HR-mandated "Why you shouldn't throw lit matches into a pile of firelighters and paper" course. We all have our crosses to bare.
Indeed.
Question 23
An Orc of Mordor sends you an email. Following the defeat of Sauron by Ar-Pharazon The Golden, Sauron was a POW in Numenor. During this period, Mr Orc came into possession of a substantial quantity of mithril from the Treasury of the Baradur.
1) Do you agree to his suggestion to sell the metal, faking provenance documents? 2) Do you pass him onto your mate Dave at Trafigura, in return for a 25% commission? 3) Call compliance, without alerting Mr Orc?
That sounds like the KYC compliance I had to do every year...
Question 64
A Balrog of Morgoth is wishes to open an account with the bank. Is a Fallen Divine Being in thrall to the Devil a
1) Good potential customer? 2) A potential Politically Exposed Person - call compliance?
Trick question.
The answer is:
3) Someone we should have working for us on commission - call HR.
Returning to Musk, it is a co-incidence that his activities seem focused on the three countries Russia most wishes to subvert? The USA, UK, and Germany?
He has Trump - best thought of as an eminently bribable kleptocrat - already installed, and is now rooting for Reform/Tommy Robinson in the UK and AfD in Germany.
Probably yes it is a co-incidence.
I don't see how calling for an inquiry into a generation rape scandal is subverting the UK?
Did you just fall out of Kamala Harris’s coconut tree? He is not “calling for an inquiry”. Today alone he called Jess Philips a “rape genocide apologist”, called on Starmer to resign, and tweeted criticism of the UK government 23 times in the space of a single hour.
It's called scrutiny. Labour needs to get used to it.
The Star is unimpressed by Wes Streeting's health advice
Not sure a Cabinet minister telling old folk to turn up the heating is a good idea when his CoE's very first act in government was was to take their fuel money.
Oh dear, do they not have any of their own money to pay for fuel?
But don't worry, if it does get to minus 8 or similar for 7 consecutive days those in serious need will get a cold weather payment of £25 to pay for fuel.
Yet those who were not in serious need somehow seem to think they deserve £300 instead.
Even on the basis of the disgraceful immunity ruling, and accepting that it's any kind of precedent in Korea (it usnt), that is an absurd claim. ...The legal team of suspended President Yoon Suk Yeol claimed Friday that Yoon's impeachment trial does not warrant a ruling as he should have immunity from prosecution, citing the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling on Donald Trump... They are claiming immunity from impeachment, not prosecution.
And in any event, the US court held that Trump might have been liable for prosecution, had he been impeached.
If liberalism is the West’s communism and the grooming gangs are its Chernobyl, then we could be entering a period analogous to the wall of the Berlin Wall.
If liberalism is the West’s communism and the grooming gangs are its Chernobyl, then we could be entering a period analogous to the wall of the Berlin Wall.
A tough front page for Starmer, without any need to invoke Musk.
Hysterical nonsense.
Is he as guilty as the actual rapists? Why?
Utterly absurd.
I think the implication is that he’s as guilty as anyone else involved in sweeping it under the carpet, not as guilty as those who were directly participated.
A tough front page for Starmer, without any need to invoke Musk.
Hysterical nonsense.
Is he as guilty as the actual rapists? Why?
Utterly absurd.
I think the implication is that he’s as guilty as anyone else involved in sweeping it under the carpet, not as guilty as those who were directly participated.
As 'guilty as anyone' implies he's as guilty as those who directly participated, they fall within "anyone".
A tough front page for Starmer, without any need to invoke Musk.
Hysterical nonsense.
Is he as guilty as the actual rapists? Why?
Utterly absurd.
I think the implication is that he’s as guilty as anyone else involved in sweeping it under the carpet, not as guilty as those who were directly participated.
As 'guilty as anyone' implies he's as guilty as those who directly participated, they fall within "anyone".
A tough front page for Starmer, without any need to invoke Musk.
Hysterical nonsense.
Is he as guilty as the actual rapists? Why?
Utterly absurd.
I think the implication is that he’s as guilty as anyone else involved in sweeping it under the carpet, not as guilty as those who were directly participated.
Remind me who has been in Government for the last 14 out of the last 14 1/2 years?
The Daily Mail's disingenuous implication is Starmer is uniquely guilty. Like he was this time last year after ITV's Post Office scandal drama.
A tough front page for Starmer, without any need to invoke Musk.
Hysterical nonsense.
Is he as guilty as the actual rapists? Why?
Utterly absurd.
I think the implication is that he’s as guilty as anyone else involved in sweeping it under the carpet, not as guilty as those who were directly participated.
Remind me who has been in Government for the last 14 out of the last 14 1/2 years?
The Daily Mail's disingenuous implication is Starmer is uniquely guilty. Like he was this time last year after ITV's Post Office scandal drama.
A tough front page for Starmer, without any need to invoke Musk.
Hysterical nonsense.
Is he as guilty as the actual rapists? Why?
Utterly absurd.
I think the implication is that he’s as guilty as anyone else involved in sweeping it under the carpet, not as guilty as those who were directly participated.
Remind me who has been in Government for the last 14 out of the last 14 1/2 years?
The Daily Mail's disingenuous implication is Starmer is uniquely guilty. Like he was this time last year after ITV's Post Office scandal drama.
The Daily Mail headline is disingenuous if you read the first line that you have asked us to read. It doesn't matter how many newspapers publish the Musk story, the Mail headline is a hatchet job.
It seems to be a case of throw as much shit and some will stick. The Mail and the Telegraph have been relentless since July 5th.
A tough front page for Starmer, without any need to invoke Musk.
Wasn't Leon just calling for her to be put in charge of an enquiry into the affair ?
To be fair to her, her words do seem to have been manipulated by those with a particular agenda and the Musk narrative fanboyed by Max, Leon and William.
Of course it might well work, but those masterbating over Trump appointee Musk's rants would be outraged if it was a Democrat politician interfering with our politics.
I’ve just recalled that Trump swore to “come after Starmer”
This is going to get worse
The list that Trump has sworn to come after is so long, I really doubt Starmer will make it to the top of the list in four years...
It’s the front page of tomorrow’s Times. Trump and Musk coming after Starmer
There are two different dynamics here.
1. Trump and Musk, while being typically oafish and meddling in foreign countries’ affairs, almost certainly don’t understand the history of this or the fact Starmer’s Labour wasn’t in power at the time 2. Badenoch and large parts of the Tory tribe who are trying to milk this know exactly what the history is and the fact it happened on their watch, and are being extremely hypocritical- just as they were with Ed Davey and the post office.
Who cares. They are going to make Starmer’s life utterly miserable. Good
This is the first paragraph of the Guardian’s main story right now
“Keir Starmer will attempt to reset his premiership next week by setting out a series of radical NHS changes aimed at reducing waiting times for millions of patients in England.”
Hahahaha
How many “resets” has he had now? How many relaunches of his Labour government, in just the first six months?
Also, even in that piece the NHS admins call Starmer “delusional”
The problem Starmer will have that any announcement will be lost in the press pack who are likely to be talking about Musk and Trump attack on him and his government
Starmer needs to grow some balls and simply shut X down. I say that as an adamant free-speecher, but it’s clearly a menace to society, and is allowing Elon Musk to attempt to suborn HMG’s democratically elected government.
You want to shut down Twitter. As in ban it. In the UK?
Starmer needs a rapid rebuttal unit. Someone to laugh down the President Musk and his idiocy. The tweet today saying that King Chaz should dissolve parliament and call a new election. He doesn’t even have the power, even if he wanted to. Laugh at Musk. Laugh down the fool and the clickbait morons.
Musk and Trump and Farage need taking head on. not giving them ammunition to accuse the UK of censorship of free speech
Badenoch who receives a lot of criticism on here is directly confronting Farage and so should Starmer
Starmer is in hiding, so far as I can tell.
He’s in Madeira, so yes quite similar
There was a hidden detail in the reporting of the queue jumping that was very, err, telling. We know he jumped the queue, but what was left out by most of the reports was that he didn't even get on the ride, only his kids did. It looks like he got the police to waive him through to the front, then watched his kids get on the ride and then went down to meet his wife again. There is precisely zero security risk for his kids to queue up alone or accompanied while he did whatever he wanted. I guarantee you that this is what happened, the kids wanted to go on the ride, they saw the lengthy queue, asked dad if he could queue jump them to the front and he used his position as PM to get them to the front of the ride.
Yes. He should have said no.
But in any event reasonable for his to assign on member of staff to queue with them
A tough front page for Starmer, without any need to invoke Musk.
Hysterical nonsense.
Is he as guilty as the actual rapists? Why?
Utterly absurd.
I think the implication is that he’s as guilty as anyone else involved in sweeping it under the carpet, not as guilty as those who were directly participated.
As 'guilty as anyone' implies he's as guilty as those who directly participated, they fall within "anyone".
No - the reference is to “the grooming gangs” not to the acts carried out by the grooming gangs
A tough front page for Starmer, without any need to invoke Musk.
Hysterical nonsense.
Is he as guilty as the actual rapists? Why?
Utterly absurd.
I think the implication is that he’s as guilty as anyone else involved in sweeping it under the carpet, not as guilty as those who were directly participated.
As 'guilty as anyone' implies he's as guilty as those who directly participated, they fall within "anyone".
No - the reference is to “the grooming gangs” not to the acts carried out by the grooming gangs
There is also the question of whether Maggie Oliver, the former detective, issued this statement bluntly condemning Starmer or whether a reporter phoned her and asked, "Would you say it is partly the CPS's fault...?".
Could someone in her party send her the link? Or tell her about the Drew Review and Operation Stovewood by the NCA. Or the Jay report or what Dame Louise Casey has done?
Or remind her of what her fellow Cabinet Minister, Suellla Braverman, the Home Secretary to do in May 2023 when the final IICSA Report came out?
This is bandwagon jumping of the most tawdry kind instead of action - which she could have been asking for when she was an actual Cabinet Minister.
What magnificent results have these reports and enquiries produced?
The Drew Review was used to improve the approach of South Yorkshire Police.
Operation Stovewood: run by the NCA is the largest criminal enforcement investigation into non-family CSE. It has identified 1100 victims, has 50 investigations outstanding and has led to 36 convictions.
The Jay Report was used to improve services within Rotherham Council which was put into special measures. The council leader and head of children's services left.
It is something. By no means enough, of course.
But what actual use will yet another inquiry costing millions, reporting in a decade or so and telling us stuff we already know be? Because my suspicion is that this is not really about joining dots or understanding the manifold causes of male sexual violence - let alone taking effective action against it - but political point-scoring and a disguised fight about immigration, in which the needs of the victims - girls mostly - will largely be ignored.
Kemi is absolutely right to demand a full public enquiry. We quite rightly had one when postmasters' lives and livelihoods were ruined by public servants whose actions bordered on criminal. The victims of the grooming gangs deserve just as much justice, and the enablers of this abuse must be made to answer for their behaviour, and the causes brought into the open and eliminated from the public sphere.
This initiative is aligned to Kemi's long-held public stances on culture, and the stress she places on public bodies that don't work. It isn't just necessary, it feels authentic to her and what she stands for.
🙂↔️ you are clueless.
Kemi is in an official office, but the front page of today’s Daily Telegraph and Musk on X decides strategy and positions for her?
Then Kemi MUST lead at PMQs asking: how many beloved pets have been stolen and eaten by these outsiders to our country, for sure that hell is warmer than North Yorkshire today Bobby J will ask exactly this, at any moment.
This politics is developing just as awful for the Conservatives and their leader as could possibly have feared - ‘voting blocks’ on the marmite questions at the next General Election that favours Labour and Libdems mopping up seats from small % of votes from shrinking turnouts.
All Kemi’s questions at the next PMQs, at ALL PMQs this year, must flag to voters how an incoming government inherited a growing economy, that will now have absolutely no growth for the whole of 2025! leading to higher taxes and more borrowing to fill the expanding black hole.
Kemi should look to today’s FT front page, not the DT.
I think comparing the very real nightmare of gang-raped girls to rumours about Haitans eating pets is a bit rich for my blood to be honest, whether that was your intention or not.
There’s a goat gone missing around here, a much beloved family pet. Are you not thinking what we are all thinking about what’s happened to it? 🐐
It’s “that lot” over there - outsiders surging into our community, responsible for ALL the bad things, from no decent housing or dentists, to grooming gangs, and pets eaten.
If we tolerate this, our own families will be next.
Plus the fact Starmer was head of the criminal justice system, so any enquiry is really all about asking him why he failed us.
The intention is pointing out to everyone, you are a fellow traveller with fascism.
You don't deserve a response, but I shall give one just in case anyone gives a second thought to your thick-witted allegations.
I have said, until I'm blue in the face, in the last thread, and others, going back years, that I take a behaviourist view of the events in Rotherham and elsewhere, that there may have been cultural antecedents, but the ballooning scale of the events was itself due to the de facto immunity from punishment afforded by the authorities, which allowed groups of men to indulge their worst fantasies in a consequence-free environment. I blame the (primarily white) authorities for this cruel dereliction of duty, and that is what we need a public enquiry to establish and root out. We cannot stop crime at source but we can punish it and deprive those responsible of their freedom, in order to deter others as much as anything else.
What happened to those girls is not any kind of laughing matter, and your posts on this have for me crossed from your usual harmless buffoonery to grotesque, callous insensitivity. So well done on that. 🐐
“your posts on this have for me crossed from your usual harmless buffoonery to grotesque, callous insensitivity”
Nope. It’s YOU and your posts I’m satirising. To wake you up, so you can understand what you actually sound like to the rest of us - you sound just like Elon Musk - and prove how utterly wrong your position is on this.
For the grooming gangs horror to be used as an opportunist political football, as you are pushing all day, that would be the pinnacle of betrayal to all the victims, that would be the callous insensitivity, and certainly the wrong way for UK politics to go.
At heart of the issue, and only outcome that could make a difference for victims to now and the future, was a culture where the gangs were not pursued, because it was believed the victims would be not be strong enough witnesses. Thank goodness Nazi Afzal came along when he did, and turned that on its head, pity he didn’t get his position of power to make a difference earlier.
What did Nazi Afzal change? He started prosecuting the gangs for their crimes, and changed the understanding and culture towards grooming. All people in power, political and otherwise, at every level, were wedded to the previous culture of “the police pick up someone at a place they have been raped, take them elsewhere where they should be safe, a week later they are back at other place under their own decision, it’s pointless bringing it as it won’t stand up in court.”
So I am opposed to you, Lucky Guy, turning this fact into a political football. The reverse of what you are pushing is what is needed, all serious politicians to tread carefully and thoughtfully and to unite behind the new culture and approach, not just to grooming gangs, but where all crimes against people not getting convictions or charges brought, because rotten culture still exists that’s not understanding of grooming or trusting victim testimony.
Look at your posts today. Shame on you. You’ve got suckered by Musk and fellow fascists into a muddled mess. And you are not alone in that.
Er, darling, I don’t think his name is “Nazi” Afzal
I have been very badly let down by iPhone auto correct.
“Our cooperation with other countries, and our trade relations, cannot continue to take place solely through Denmark,” he said.
I predicted this. Trump will make them an offer they can’t refuse. Become an “associated territory” of the USA. There are only 59,000 of them he can give them $50k each plus all the advantages of US citizenship while retaining autonomy
Why would they not take it? I’ve been to Greenland. A few of them would take it for two bottles of Jim Beam
It's a little more complicated, surely, in that Greenland is not a sovereign nation: It is an autonomous territory within the Kingdom of Denmark.
From the obituary of the Scots Nobel Prize-winning chemist, Sir Fraser Stoddart, a word on gaps in NHS provision:-
In 1990, aged 48, he was appointed to the Haworth Chair of Chemistry and as head of the School of Chemistry at Birmingham University. His move to UCLA as the Saul Winstein Professor of Chemistry in 1997 came about after his wife developed advanced breast cancer.
A tough front page for Starmer, without any need to invoke Musk.
Hysterical nonsense.
Is he as guilty as the actual rapists? Why?
Utterly absurd.
I think the implication is that he’s as guilty as anyone else involved in sweeping it under the carpet, not as guilty as those who were directly participated.
As 'guilty as anyone' implies he's as guilty as those who directly participated, they fall within "anyone".
No - the reference is to “the grooming gangs” not to the acts carried out by the grooming gangs
Many people will not make that distinction. A clever headline: mud sticks.
I’ve just recalled that Trump swore to “come after Starmer”
This is going to get worse
It's payback for the Labour activists helping Kamala. I think Trump realises how weak Starmer is and how easy it will be to bully him into doing things.
You sound almost happy about it.
We need to start ramping up defence spending.
Anything that hurts Labour is fine with me. Starmer and Reeves are making the country poorer and destroying family run businesses and farms with punitive taxes. I think it was the farm tax that was the last straw for me, I very much believe in the idea of farm to fork and Labour dismantling the family run farm seriously sets that back and all it will do is increase air miles on our food as smaller producers go bankrupt or sell out to big American agribusiness. I think from that moment I went from ambivalent to actively wanting Labour out, they are doing generational damage to our nation.
Not only that, the farm tax brings in about £600m a year, I believe. While we’re spending almost £4 BILLION a year on keeping asylum seekers in hotels, and we had a record year of arrivals in 2024 IIRC, despite Skyr “smashing the gangs” so the cost is only going to surge
It’s grotesque and it’s unsustainable
The reported figure for the Chagos idiocy was £800m. Putting our farmers out of business to give Mauritius a country and a bribe to take it.
I also wonder how many of those asylum seekers go to join their local grooming gang as soon as they arrive and how big of a pull factor that is for these men...
Also a 33% rise in boat illegal immigrants after Labour got into power and removed the Rwanda scheme. Apparently not having any deterrent or downside risk will result in more arrivals. Shocking.
Isn’t it £800m every Year?
It’s a nevernever land of truly terrible governance
Wait it's £800m per year, I thought it was just a one off. Fucking fuck this guy. He's literally put our farmers in the shit to pay for this stupid deal.
£800m pays for half the Wfa - that’s an utterly insane deal to sign
Honestly, Trump is our only hope here. He'll nuke the deal on day one.
That’s how badly Labour is running Britain. Trump is our best hope in several ways
1. Cancelling Ed Milibandera’s net zero extremism 2. Exploding the crazily bad Chagos “deal” 3. Pressuring Labour to call an inquiry on the rape gangs
How is 1 going to happen?
See The Times. Trump is pressing…
Pressing for what? Specifics please
“President-elect @realDonaldTrump on UK North Sea energy policy: "The U.K. is making a very big mistake. Open up the North Sea. Get rid of Windmills!"”
Of course in one way it’s merely Trumpite bluster. But recall, he is threatening tariffs which we are desperate to avoid…
It should be noted that it is very much in Musk's interests for us to go solar rather than wind. I reckon this 'pronouncement' is due to:
*) Farage's dislike of wind turbines (because it was electorally advantageous to him in the past). *) Musk's solar interests. *) Trump's stupidity in listening to idiots.
Returning to Musk, it is a co-incidence that his activities seem focused on the three countries Russia most wishes to subvert? The USA, UK, and Germany?
He has Trump - best thought of as an eminently bribable kleptocrat - already installed, and is now rooting for Reform/Tommy Robinson in the UK and AfD in Germany.
Probably yes it is a co-incidence.
I don't see how calling for an inquiry into a generation rape scandal is subverting the UK?
Did you just fall out of Kamala Harris’s coconut tree? He is not “calling for an inquiry”. Today alone he called Jess Philips a “rape genocide apologist”, called on Starmer to resign, and tweeted criticism of the UK government 23 times in the space of a single hour.
It's called scrutiny. Labour needs to get used to it.
It’s not scrutiny, it’s demagoguery.
Hopefully Jess Philips is lawyering up.
He’s American. He’s got free speech. Jess philips has proved herself to be a spineless cowardly hypocrite, and an idiot
Prediction: she won’t “lawyer up” against Elon Musk
Prediction: when Musk says Putin is the good guy and anyone who supported Ukraine's right to defend itself is a paedo war criminal, you (and WilliamGlenn) will immediately say he's right.
Returning to Musk, it is a co-incidence that his activities seem focused on the three countries Russia most wishes to subvert? The USA, UK, and Germany?
He has Trump - best thought of as an eminently bribable kleptocrat - already installed, and is now rooting for Reform/Tommy Robinson in the UK and AfD in Germany.
Probably yes it is a co-incidence.
I don't see how calling for an inquiry into a generation rape scandal is subverting the UK?
Did you just fall out of Kamala Harris’s coconut tree? He is not “calling for an inquiry”. Today alone he called Jess Philips a “rape genocide apologist”, called on Starmer to resign, and tweeted criticism of the UK government 23 times in the space of a single hour.
It's called scrutiny. Labour needs to get used to it.
It’s not scrutiny, it’s demagoguery.
Hopefully Jess Philips is lawyering up.
He’s American. He’s got free speech. Jess philips has proved herself to be a spineless cowardly hypocrite, and an idiot
Prediction: she won’t “lawyer up” against Elon Musk
Prediction: when Musk says Putin is the good guy and anyone who supported Ukraine's right to defend itself is a paedo war criminal, you (and WilliamGlenn) will immediately say he's right.
I've been saying for some years that Musk is a net negative for the world. As time goes on, that impression is deepening. He has done some good things, but the bad things are *far* outweighing the positive.
A tough front page for Starmer, without any need to invoke Musk.
Hysterical nonsense.
Is he as guilty as the actual rapists? Why?
Utterly absurd.
I think the implication is that he’s as guilty as anyone else involved in sweeping it under the carpet, not as guilty as those who were directly participated.
Remind me who has been in Government for the last 14 out of the last 14 1/2 years?
The Daily Mail's disingenuous implication is Starmer is uniquely guilty. Like he was this time last year after ITV's Post Office scandal drama.
The Daily Mail headline is disingenuous if you read the first line that you have asked us to read. It doesn't matter how many newspapers publish the Musk story, the Mail headline is a hatchet job.
It seems to be a case of throw as much shit and some will stick. The Mail and the Telegraph have been relentless since July 5th.
I wonder how much their "former detective" has been paid, if anything.
And, in the loopy spirit of the Mail, why the former detective was not able to supply evidence to have Starmer prosecuted.
A few rabid right wingers on here are suddenly shooting their loads over grooming gangs. A decade old story that had been put very firmly in the archives until GB News and Musk dug it out. A shame about Epstein for Musk and Trump but hey ho that doesn't matter to them.
No PB News and Twitter is just a grooming shit fest.
FACT IS walk down any high Street any where today and ask 1000 people at random the 10 biggest concerns in life they have.
I guarantee you that "grooming gangs" will not come in the top 100 when all the responses are collated.
Returning to Musk, it is a co-incidence that his activities seem focused on the three countries Russia most wishes to subvert? The USA, UK, and Germany?
He has Trump - best thought of as an eminently bribable kleptocrat - already installed, and is now rooting for Reform/Tommy Robinson in the UK and AfD in Germany.
Probably yes it is a co-incidence.
I don't see how calling for an inquiry into a generation rape scandal is subverting the UK?
Did you just fall out of Kamala Harris’s coconut tree? He is not “calling for an inquiry”. Today alone he called Jess Philips a “rape genocide apologist”, called on Starmer to resign, and tweeted criticism of the UK government 23 times in the space of a single hour.
It's called scrutiny. Labour needs to get used to it.
It’s not scrutiny, it’s demagoguery.
Hopefully Jess Philips is lawyering up.
He’s American. He’s got free speech. Jess philips has proved herself to be a spineless cowardly hypocrite, and an idiot
Prediction: she won’t “lawyer up” against Elon Musk
Publishing to the UK he is subject to UK Law. That's why he is in contempt of Court for publishing Tommy Robinson's film to the UK.
That's also quite largely why London is still something of a libel capital, aiui. I'm saw PB Lawyers can comment.
Has he been to the UK recently? If not, is he just frit?
His content is BS he's snuffling up off Twitter, then promoting. I'm honestly not sure what game PB Musk-boosters are playing, or what they are on.
Returning to Musk, it is a co-incidence that his activities seem focused on the three countries Russia most wishes to subvert? The USA, UK, and Germany?
He has Trump - best thought of as an eminently bribable kleptocrat - already installed, and is now rooting for Reform/Tommy Robinson in the UK and AfD in Germany.
Probably yes it is a co-incidence.
I don't see how calling for an inquiry into a generation rape scandal is subverting the UK?
Did you just fall out of Kamala Harris’s coconut tree? He is not “calling for an inquiry”. Today alone he called Jess Philips a “rape genocide apologist”, called on Starmer to resign, and tweeted criticism of the UK government 23 times in the space of a single hour.
It's called scrutiny. Labour needs to get used to it.
It’s not scrutiny, it’s demagoguery.
Hopefully Jess Philips is lawyering up.
He’s American. He’s got free speech. Jess philips has proved herself to be a spineless cowardly hypocrite, and an idiot
Prediction: she won’t “lawyer up” against Elon Musk
Publishing to the UK he is subject to UK Law. That's why he is in contempt of Court for publishing Tommy Robinson's film to the UK.
That's also quite largely why London is still something of a libel capital, aiui. I'm saw PB Lawyers can comment.
Has he been to the UK recently? If not, is he just frit?
His content is BS he's snuffling up off Twitter, then promoting. I'm honestly not sure what game PB Musk-boosters are playing, or what they are on.
Like Musk, they are simply supporters of the far right, it's no great mystery.
That looks like one to watch, but afaics at the moment there is just lots of shouting, and no substance - so far.
I was quit interested in her Bangladesh links when she became an MP in 2015, especially around possible easy-access for people with connections, but I never saw any evidence of malpractice.
The London Economic has obtained footage from the Carlton Club dinner arranged by Guido Fawkes attended by Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage ; Robert Jenrick; Lee Anderson and Liz Truss among others, where comic Dominic Frisby sang "Maybe we should have let the Nazis win” and "We're all racist now". Attendees openly supported Hitler and the Nazis.
That looks like one to watch, but afaics at the moment there is just lots of shouting, and no substance - so far.
I was quit interested in her Bangladesh links when she became an MP in 2015, especially around possible easy-access for people with connections, but I never saw any evidence of malpractice.
The allegations are coming from one source. A long time completely discredited and convicted opponebt of Siddiques family.
That looks like one to watch, but afaics at the moment there is just lots of shouting, and no substance - so far.
I was quit interested in her Bangladesh links when she became an MP in 2015, especially around possible easy-access for people with connections, but I never saw any evidence of malpractice.
The allegations are coming from one source. A long time completely discredited and convicted opponebt of Siddiques family.
Returning to Musk, it is a co-incidence that his activities seem focused on the three countries Russia most wishes to subvert? The USA, UK, and Germany?
He has Trump - best thought of as an eminently bribable kleptocrat - already installed, and is now rooting for Reform/Tommy Robinson in the UK and AfD in Germany.
Probably yes it is a co-incidence.
I don't see how calling for an inquiry into a generation rape scandal is subverting the UK?
Did you just fall out of Kamala Harris’s coconut tree? He is not “calling for an inquiry”. Today alone he called Jess Philips a “rape genocide apologist”, called on Starmer to resign, and tweeted criticism of the UK government 23 times in the space of a single hour.
It's called scrutiny. Labour needs to get used to it.
It’s not scrutiny, it’s demagoguery.
Hopefully Jess Philips is lawyering up.
He’s American. He’s got free speech. Jess philips has proved herself to be a spineless cowardly hypocrite, and an idiot
Prediction: she won’t “lawyer up” against Elon Musk
Prediction: when Musk says Putin is the good guy and anyone who supported Ukraine's right to defend itself is a paedo war criminal, you (and WilliamGlenn) will immediately say he's right.
That looks like one to watch, but afaics at the moment there is just lots of shouting, and no substance - so far.
I was quit interested in her Bangladesh links when she became an MP in 2015, especially around possible easy-access for people with connections, but I never saw any evidence of malpractice.
If you zoom in and read the FT story it’s pretty shocking
Basically she was given a flat for free (a comparable property recently sold for £650k).
The person who transferred it said it was because her parents had helped a friend of his so he gave her a flat…
I can’t think of a non dodgy interpretation for that set of facts…?
Returning to Musk, it is a co-incidence that his activities seem focused on the three countries Russia most wishes to subvert? The USA, UK, and Germany?
He has Trump - best thought of as an eminently bribable kleptocrat - already installed, and is now rooting for Reform/Tommy Robinson in the UK and AfD in Germany.
Probably yes it is a co-incidence.
I don't see how calling for an inquiry into a generation rape scandal is subverting the UK?
Did you just fall out of Kamala Harris’s coconut tree? He is not “calling for an inquiry”. Today alone he called Jess Philips a “rape genocide apologist”, called on Starmer to resign, and tweeted criticism of the UK government 23 times in the space of a single hour.
It's called scrutiny. Labour needs to get used to it.
It’s not scrutiny, it’s demagoguery.
Hopefully Jess Philips is lawyering up.
He’s American. He’s got free speech. Jess philips has proved herself to be a spineless cowardly hypocrite, and an idiot
Prediction: she won’t “lawyer up” against Elon Musk
Prediction: when Musk says Putin is the good guy and anyone who supported Ukraine's right to defend itself is a paedo war criminal, you (and WilliamGlenn) will immediately say he's right.
Prediction - Musk will never say that.
I'm not a fan of Musk, but there's no way I would have predicted he'd have said the sh*t he's been coming out with over the last couple of months. He's lost it.
Returning to Musk, it is a co-incidence that his activities seem focused on the three countries Russia most wishes to subvert? The USA, UK, and Germany?
He has Trump - best thought of as an eminently bribable kleptocrat - already installed, and is now rooting for Reform/Tommy Robinson in the UK and AfD in Germany.
Probably yes it is a co-incidence.
I don't see how calling for an inquiry into a generation rape scandal is subverting the UK?
Did you just fall out of Kamala Harris’s coconut tree? He is not “calling for an inquiry”. Today alone he called Jess Philips a “rape genocide apologist”, called on Starmer to resign, and tweeted criticism of the UK government 23 times in the space of a single hour.
It's called scrutiny. Labour needs to get used to it.
It’s not scrutiny, it’s demagoguery.
Hopefully Jess Philips is lawyering up.
He’s American. He’s got free speech. Jess philips has proved herself to be a spineless cowardly hypocrite, and an idiot
Prediction: she won’t “lawyer up” against Elon Musk
Prediction: when Musk says Putin is the good guy and anyone who supported Ukraine's right to defend itself is a paedo war criminal, you (and WilliamGlenn) will immediately say he's right.
Prediction - Musk will never say that.
He supports the AfD so he's already halfway there. Would it really be any kind of surprise if he starts fully backing Putin?
That looks like one to watch, but afaics at the moment there is just lots of shouting, and no substance - so far.
I was quit interested in her Bangladesh links when she became an MP in 2015, especially around possible easy-access for people with connections, but I never saw any evidence of malpractice.
If you zoom in and read the FT story it’s pretty shocking
Basically she was given a flat for free (a comparable property recently sold for £650k).
The person who transferred it said it was because her parents had helped a friend of his so he gave her a flat…
I can’t think of a non dodgy interpretation for that set of facts…?
I've read the story.
She was 22 when given the flat, and did not become an MP for another 13 years.
AFAICS the only concrete (!) thing there is at present is an error in reporting rental income to the Registry of Members' Interests. More serious material may come to light - we shall see.
That looks like one to watch, but afaics at the moment there is just lots of shouting, and no substance - so far.
I was quit interested in her Bangladesh links when she became an MP in 2015, especially around possible easy-access for people with connections, but I never saw any evidence of malpractice.
If you zoom in and read the FT story it’s pretty shocking
Basically she was given a flat for free (a comparable property recently sold for £650k).
The person who transferred it said it was because her parents had helped a friend of his so he gave her a flat…
I can’t think of a non dodgy interpretation for that set of facts…?
I've read the story.
She was 22 when given the flat, and did not become an MP for another 13 years.
AFAICS the only concrete (!) thing there is at present is an error in reporting rental income to the Registry of Members' Interests. More serious material may come to light - we shall see.
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Question 23
An Orc of Mordor sends you an email. Following the defeat of Sauron by Ar-Pharazon The Golden, Sauron was a POW in Numenor. During this period, Mr Orc came into possession of a substantial quantity of mithril from the Treasury of the Baradur.
1) Do you agree to his suggestion to sell the metal, faking provenance documents?
2) Do you pass him onto your mate Dave at Trafigura, in return for a 25% commission?
3) Call compliance, without alerting Mr Orc?
He is not “calling for an inquiry”.
Today alone he called Jess Philips a “rape genocide apologist”, called on Starmer to resign, and tweeted criticism of the UK government 23 times in the space of a single hour.
A Balrog of Morgoth is wishes to open an account with the bank. Is a Fallen Divine Being in thrall to the Devil a
1) Good potential customer?
2) A potential Politically Exposed Person - call compliance?
https://www.politico.eu/article/greenland-prime-minister-mute-egede-independence-denmark-colonialism-donald-trump-arctic/
“Our cooperation with other countries, and our trade relations, cannot continue to take place solely through Denmark,” he said.
Its final report was in October 2022. Braverman waved 2 fingers at it in May 2023.
It is now confirmed there are bizarre drones buzzing US military sites. They are able to stay aloft 6-8 hours, which is apparently mystifying
https://x.com/richgel999/status/1875248316851921130?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
So it’s NOT just a flap about misidentified planes
You have failed to report suspicious activity and are in criminal breach of the regulations.
Why would they not take it? I’ve been to Greenland. A few of them would take it for two bottles of Jim Beam
Prediction: she won’t “lawyer up” against Elon Musk
The answer is:
3) Someone we should have working for us on commission - call HR.
I thought it was being an enormous arse.
But don't worry, if it does get to minus 8 or similar for 7 consecutive days those in serious need will get a cold weather payment of £25 to pay for fuel.
Yet those who were not in serious need somehow seem to think they deserve £300 instead.
https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=389678
Even on the basis of the disgraceful immunity ruling, and accepting that it's any kind of precedent in Korea (it usnt), that is an absurd claim.
...The legal team of suspended President Yoon Suk Yeol claimed Friday that Yoon's impeachment trial does not warrant a ruling as he should have immunity from prosecution, citing the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling on Donald Trump...
They are claiming immunity from impeachment, not prosecution.
And in any event, the US court held that Trump might have been liable for prosecution, had he been impeached.
Is he as guilty as the actual rapists? Why?
Utterly absurd.
The Daily Mail's disingenuous implication is Starmer is uniquely guilty. Like he was this time last year after ITV's Post Office scandal drama.
https://www.irishnews.com/news/uk/whistleblower-says-starmer-guilty-as-anyone-over-grooming-gang-failures-OV3X5WIOLNOITIGTFF2JFDL2NE/
It seems to be a case of throw as much shit and some will stick. The Mail and the Telegraph have been relentless since July 5th.
Of course it might well work, but those masterbating over Trump appointee Musk's rants would be outraged if it was a Democrat politician interfering with our politics.
But in any event reasonable for his to assign on member of staff to queue with them
In 1990, aged 48, he was appointed to the Haworth Chair of Chemistry and as head of the School of Chemistry at Birmingham University. His move to UCLA as the Saul Winstein Professor of Chemistry in 1997 came about after his wife developed advanced breast cancer.
“We found the NHS was not able to provide the treatment that she needed at the level that could be attained here in the US,” he explained later. “She went from feeling that she had a death sentence to someone who felt as though she had many more years to live. In fact, she lived for another seven years.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2025/01/03/sir-fraser-stoddart-nobel-prize-edinburgh-canada-molecular/ (£££)
It's going to kill the site as a place for polite and respectful political debate.
It's time to check out for a bit.
*) Farage's dislike of wind turbines (because it was electorally advantageous to him in the past).
*) Musk's solar interests.
*) Trump's stupidity in listening to idiots.
And, in the loopy spirit of the Mail, why the former detective was not able to supply evidence to have Starmer prosecuted.
No PB News and Twitter is just a grooming shit fest.
FACT IS walk down any high Street any where today and ask 1000 people at random the 10 biggest concerns in life they have.
I guarantee you that "grooming gangs" will not come in the top 100 when all the responses are collated.
TRUMP will ; MUSK will ....
Its just a storm in an egg cup!
That's also quite largely why London is still something of a libel capital, aiui. I'm saw PB Lawyers can comment.
Has he been to the UK recently? If not, is he just frit?
His content is BS he's snuffling up off Twitter, then promoting. I'm honestly not sure what game PB Musk-boosters are playing, or what they are on.
I was quit interested in her Bangladesh links when she became an MP in 2015, especially around possible easy-access for people with connections, but I never saw any evidence of malpractice.
The London Economic has obtained footage from the Carlton Club dinner arranged by Guido Fawkes attended by Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage ; Robert Jenrick; Lee Anderson and Liz Truss among others, where comic Dominic Frisby sang "Maybe we should have let the Nazis win” and "We're all racist now". Attendees openly supported Hitler and the Nazis.
NOTHING of note to see here!
Basically she was given a flat for free (a comparable property recently sold for £650k).
The person who transferred it said it was because her parents had helped a friend of his so he gave her a flat…
I can’t think of a non dodgy interpretation for that set of facts…?
NEW THREAD
She was 22 when given the flat, and did not become an MP for another 13 years.
AFAICS the only concrete (!) thing there is at present is an error in reporting rental income to the Registry of Members' Interests. More serious material may come to light - we shall see.
So IMO still one to watch. The full FT piece:
https://archive.is/20250103174303/https://www.ft.com/content/88ee7558-de23-4f99-bf7f-dda2fd9f1d1f
Since this "alleged incident in 2004 when she was not an MP"
Shall we start the bidding at 50-60 flats??....