Stephen Fry has the characteristics of a smart person but isn't academically smart, and his treatment of Dara O'Briain (who *is* academically smart but not in the same social milieu) made me dislike Fry a bit. Not a lot, but he gets by a lot on bluster.
"A Stupid person’s idea of a clever person."
Quite. Working, as I do, at a top University means I know a hell of a lot of very smart people. And very few are like Stephen Fry. There are a couple who are, though.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Misspeaks by the First Lord of the Treasury can cause diplomatic incidents, cause the stock market to crash, Sterling to crater, and start wars.
Indeed. But mistaking a torpedo for a bomb in a war that took place when you were 20 years of age is hardly likely to do so.
Especially if the chaps in Junkers or SM.79s were dropping both and both were going bang; plus uncle Starmer couldn't see outside for all I know.
Genuine question, when was the last time a vessel was sunk by a torpedo carried by an aircraft? The concept sounds very quaint nowadays - 'Deploy the Stringbags!"
Late Pacific War, would have to be. Such as HIJMS Yamato and its consorts in April 1945 (albeit with bombs as well).
Though the USN did torpedo some Korean dams in that 1950s police action of course.
And if whales count, I seem to recall the apocryphal story that the odd whale was sunk en route to the Falklands. I checked but it was missiles and depth charges that hit the ARA Santa Fe at Grytviken - the one torpedo fired missed.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
Sorry, again – I'm not talking about "public opinion", or what some hypocritical hack on 'Sky News' said, or what you read on 'PB'. I'm talking about facts.
I ask again, can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Take your time.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
Sorry, again – I'm not talking about "public opinion", or what some hypocritical hack on 'Sky News' said, or what you read on 'PB'. I'm talking about facts.
I ask again, can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Take your time.
The whole point is public perception, and just now yougov have published a poll with Starmer below Farage in approval
That is what is happening to your leader and time for you to accept this is a PR disaster for him
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
“The Prime Minister is saying there is a difference between what you do as Government and what you do in Opposition, what you do as a minister and as a shadow minister,” After he ended up paying back gifts he accepted, declared and then decided they weren't appropriate.
Problem now is that 'Sir Keir has been a complete disaster' is becoming a default setting. Even if Labour can rebuild its reputation it will only do so amongst the charitably minded, which most people are not when it comes to politicians. And is Rachel's budget going to do even that?
There will always be @Anabobazina quoting 172 majority !!!!
You are the one repeating the point, not me.
What do you make of Kemi's gifts and donations? Scandalous, eh?
Whataboutery is all you are left with and is not going to change the narrative around Starmer
"What about this list of Kemi's freebies" is not "whataboutary", it's counting. Of course so long as they remain within the rules Kemi's freebies are as appropriate as Starmer's. Although one could argue the rules need changing.
But as has been pointed out Badenoch has said that she sees nothing wrong with accepting them and Starmer made a big issue about free stuff, govt sleaze and govt being of the highest standard when in opposition.
The issue is his hypocrisy. There is no hypocrisy with Badenoch.
Bob J. "sees nothing wrong" with overturning a planning decision that saved Desmond £45m, in return for a 12 grand party donation. It doesn't make it right.
This has been said several times now. Lord knows I am no fan of Jenrick, his behaviour in relation to the refugee children was contemptible, but if a politician thinks that the decision is wrong and preventing desired investment what’s he supposed to do? Refuse to intervene because of how it might look?
The thing that most obviously comes to mind is that they have to deal with complaints about complaints when the energy companies rip people off. I could imagine that absorbing a thousand people's working lives with some ease.
Problem now is that 'Sir Keir has been a complete disaster' is becoming a default setting. Even if Labour can rebuild its reputation it will only do so amongst the charitably minded, which most people are not when it comes to politicians. And is Rachel's budget going to do even that?
There will always be @Anabobazina quoting 172 majority !!!!
You are the one repeating the point, not me.
What do you make of Kemi's gifts and donations? Scandalous, eh?
Whataboutery is all you are left with and is not going to change the narrative around Starmer
"What about this list of Kemi's freebies" is not "whataboutary", it's counting. Of course so long as they remain within the rules Kemi's freebies are as appropriate as Starmer's. Although one could argue the rules need changing.
But as has been pointed out Badenoch has said that she sees nothing wrong with accepting them and Starmer made a big issue about free stuff, govt sleaze and govt being of the highest standard when in opposition.
The issue is his hypocrisy. There is no hypocrisy with Badenoch.
Bob J. "sees nothing wrong" with overturning a planning decision that saved Desmond £45m, in return for a 12 grand party donation. It doesn't make it right.
This has been said several times now. Lord knows I am no fan of Jenrick, his behaviour in relation to the refugee children was contemptible, but if a politician thinks that the decision is wrong and preventing desired investment what’s he supposed to do? Refuse to intervene because of how it might look?
No, refuse the money.
Or recuse himself from the decision and have someone else make it.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
Sorry, again – I'm not talking about "public opinion", or what some hypocritical hack on 'Sky News' said, or what you read on 'PB'. I'm talking about facts.
I ask again, can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Take your time.
The whole point is public perception, and just now yougov have published a poll with Starmer below Farage in approval
That is what is happening to your leader and time for you to accept this is a PR disaster for him
The thing that most obviously comes to mind is that they have to deal with complaints about complaints when the energy companies rip people off. I could imagine that absorbing a thousand people's working lives with some ease.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Well he's a lawyer, so not daft, he is not going to box himself in by being so specific when he could just make a general statement to make him appear to be virtuous and put clear blue water between him and the sleazy Tories which meant, when he did help himself to freebies he could merely really on people to say "well he meant he was going to clean up politics but that didn't mean he shouldnt trouser freebies according to the rules" when, maybe, the rules need revisiting.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
The voting public certainly have reacted putting him behind Farage today
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
Sorry, again – I'm not talking about "public opinion", or what some hypocritical hack on 'Sky News' said, or what you read on 'PB'. I'm talking about facts.
I ask again, can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Take your time.
The whole point is public perception, and just now yougov have published a poll with Starmer below Farage in approval
That is what is happening to your leader and time for you to accept this is a PR disaster for him
I find it contemptible and extraordinary that anyone could try and defend Starmer's greed. He is supposed to be a Labour leader ffs! The party that is always bossing everyone else about how they should live their lives and "pay their share". I know a lot of very rich people and I am not sure any of them would spend what he has spent (of another's money) on clothes and is not offering to pay a penny of tax for his benefit, even though other people in the public eye have to. It is pure avarice and is utterly indefensible. And what influence has he allowed Lord Alli for the latter's largess? This is worse than cash-for-questions and the Blair government's sale of honours IMO.
Now watch all the Starmer apologists howl with whatabouteries.
The thing that most obviously comes to mind is that they have to deal with complaints about complaints when the energy companies rip people off. I could imagine that absorbing a thousand people's working lives with some ease.
A LAW student who called Arsenal and England ace Bukayo Saka a “monkey” has dodged a jail term after insisting he was not being racist.
Westminster magistrates chair Kieran O’Donnell told Ali: “Your lawyer said your intention was not to be racist, but whoever heard it would have heard racial abuse.
“But you are of previous good character.”
"You have no previous convictions. You are remorseful"
Hopefully Arsenal give him a lifetime ban from the Emirates.
How on earth can Starmer be below Farage in net favourability in the latest yougov ?
Also, despite the lack of enthusiasm for Jenrick and Badenoch from many, Starmer is already so unpopular the new Leader of the Opposition whichever of them wins could well have higher net favourable ratings than him once elected if Yougov is correct.
When was the last time a new Leader of the Opposition had higher net approval ratings than a new PM who had recently won a general election to take his party into power? Certainly Ed Miliband and William Hague had much worse net approval ratings than Cameron and Blair in late 2010 and late 1997. Even Thatcher had lower net approval ratings than Wilson and Callaghan initially.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
Hang on, we've just established that he hasn't said another. Okay, I mean, he might have said another, down the pub, or in the kitchen when rustling up tandoori salmon. But nobody has managed to find a quote.
A LAW student who called Arsenal and England ace Bukayo Saka a “monkey” has dodged a jail term after insisting he was not being racist.
Westminster magistrates chair Kieran O’Donnell told Ali: “Your lawyer said your intention was not to be racist, but whoever heard it would have heard racial abuse.
“But you are of previous good character.”
"You have no previous convictions. You are remorseful"
Hopefully Arsenal give him a lifetime ban from the Emirates.
It's only when yo read the story do you see what else the guy said. A quite disgusting series of epithets.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
Hang on, we've just established that he hasn't said another. Okay, I mean, he might have said another, down the pub, or in the kitchen when rustling up tandoori salmon. But nobody has managed to find a quote.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Well he's a lawyer, so not daft, he is not going to box himself in by being so specific when he could just make a general statement to make him appear to be virtuous and put clear blue water between him and the sleazy Tories which meant, when he did help himself to freebies he could merely really on people to say "well he meant he was going to clean up politics but that didn't mean he shouldnt trouser freebies according to the rules" when, maybe, the rules need revisiting.
The rules need revising indeed. I was told by a very patronising poster on here the other day that I was a "beerhall accountant" (I think that was an attempt at wit) for suggesting that there should be a BIK tax applied. This pompous twat/self-appointed expert stated that it does not apply to anyone receiving gifts. Real accountants disagree. It has been pointed out that celebs and "influencers" who receive gifts in the course of their work have BIK applied. HMRC has simply turned a blind eye to MPs. It is about time they did not. I personally do not care about the odd trip to the football, but tens of thousands of pounds worth of designer clothes is outrageous.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
Hang on, we've just established that he hasn't said another. Okay, I mean, he might have said another, down the pub, or in the kitchen when rustling up tandoori salmon. But nobody has managed to find a quote.
What is your point when your leader is tanking in the polls and sits below Farage and as @HYUFD has just said whichever conservative is elected would have higher approval ratings than Starmer
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
Hang on, we've just established that he hasn't said another. Okay, I mean, he might have said another, down the pub, or in the kitchen when rustling up tandoori salmon. But nobody has managed to find a quote.
Labour are in the mire when Starmer has lost lifelong Labour voter Taz. It's end of days mate!
How on earth can Starmer be below Farage in net favourability in the latest yougov ?
Also, despite the lack of enthusiasm for Jenrick and Badenoch from many, Starmer is already so unpopular the new Leader of the Opposition whichever of them wins could well have higher net favourable ratings than him once elected if Yougov is correct.
When was the last time a new Leader of the Opposition had higher net approval ratings than a new PM who had recently won a general election to take his party into power? Certainly Ed Miliband and William Hague had much worse net approval ratings than Cameron and Blair in late 2010 and late 1997. Even Thatcher had lower net approval ratings than Wilson and Callaghan initially.
Maybe Wilson in late 1970?
Are you sure? ( And I genuinely don't know) Harold was odds on to win in 1970.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
Hang on, we've just established that he hasn't said another. Okay, I mean, he might have said another, down the pub, or in the kitchen when rustling up tandoori salmon. But nobody has managed to find a quote.
What is your point when your leader is tanking in the polls and sits below Farage and as @HYUFD has just said whichever conservative is elected would have higher approval ratings than Starmer
Ah, the crutch of 'public opinion' – a favourite of yours. I note you haven't engaged with the substantive point... again.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
Hang on, we've just established that he hasn't said another. Okay, I mean, he might have said another, down the pub, or in the kitchen when rustling up tandoori salmon. But nobody has managed to find a quote.
What is your point when your leader is tanking in the polls and sits below Farage and as @HYUFD has just said whichever conservative is elected would have higher approval ratings than Starmer
Ah, the crutch of 'public opinion' – a favourite of yours. I note you haven't engaged with the substantive point... again.
Funny old world.
There is no substantive point other than some weird idea that you are trying to justify Starmer with and cannot accept what is obvious to everyone Starmer is hopeless at politics
How on earth can Starmer be below Farage in net favourability in the latest yougov ?
I guess that however much one might think Farage is a nasty fascist little shit, one can at least be sure that he buys his own clothes
Can you explain to me why clothing allowances from party donors are somehow morally different to any other allowances, gifts or donations? The suits and dresses were worn in the course of the Starmers' work, after all.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
Hang on, we've just established that he hasn't said another. Okay, I mean, he might have said another, down the pub, or in the kitchen when rustling up tandoori salmon. But nobody has managed to find a quote.
What is your point when your leader is tanking in the polls and sits below Farage and as @HYUFD has just said whichever conservative is elected would have higher approval ratings than Starmer
Ah, the crutch of 'public opinion' – a favourite of yours. I note you haven't engaged with the substantive point... again.
Funny old world.
There is no substantive point other than some weird idea that you are trying to justify Starmer with and cannot accept what is obvious to everyone Starmer is hopeless at politics
I will have to put that reply through the Google Translator later. Now I have work to do, and a run to run.
Former special adviser predicts that James Cleverly will be the Conservative leader at the next election
Yep, I said this yesterday – could be a Sliding Doors moment for him. The fact that the TRG (One Nation caucus) has refused to support either Kemi or Bob means that Cleverly has a groundswell of support to come back when either of those fail.
How on earth can Starmer be below Farage in net favourability in the latest yougov ?
I guess that however much one might think Farage is a nasty fascist little shit, one can at least be sure that he buys his own clothes
Farage is paid £100k a month to appear on a loss making TV station that's the vanity project of a hedge fund billionaire. There are different ways for rich people to give politicians money.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
Hang on, we've just established that he hasn't said another. Okay, I mean, he might have said another, down the pub, or in the kitchen when rustling up tandoori salmon. But nobody has managed to find a quote.
What is your point when your leader is tanking in the polls and sits below Farage and as @HYUFD has just said whichever conservative is elected would have higher approval ratings than Starmer
Ah, the crutch of 'public opinion' – a favourite of yours. I note you haven't engaged with the substantive point... again.
Funny old world.
There is no substantive point other than some weird idea that you are trying to justify Starmer with and cannot accept what is obvious to everyone Starmer is hopeless at politics
He’s done pretty well for someone hopeless at politics. Most politicians would love to be that hopeless. He has to defeat a number of people to get where he got to today.
The interesting question is what happens next. Government is different to opposition.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
Hang on, we've just established that he hasn't said another. Okay, I mean, he might have said another, down the pub, or in the kitchen when rustling up tandoori salmon. But nobody has managed to find a quote.
Labour are in the mire when Starmer has lost lifelong Labour voter Taz. It's end of days mate!
Waiting for your next flounce, mate. It won't be long.
I supported labour at the last election and, unlike Cpt Cash, have voted for them at Every General Election I have voted in but I do not support them like I support my soccer team.
Former special adviser predicts that James Cleverly will be the Conservative leader at the next election
Yep, I said this yesterday – could be a Sliding Doors moment for him. The fact that the TRG (One Nation caucus) has refused to support either Kemi or Bob means that Cleverly has a groundswell of support to come back when either of those fail.
But if Jenrick or Badenoch start rimming Farage what's left for one nation Tories? They would have more in common with the LDs. Why stay when the cause is lost? Change UK are a template to be avoided but is there anything to salvage?
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
Hang on, we've just established that he hasn't said another. Okay, I mean, he might have said another, down the pub, or in the kitchen when rustling up tandoori salmon. But nobody has managed to find a quote.
What is your point when your leader is tanking in the polls and sits below Farage and as @HYUFD has just said whichever conservative is elected would have higher approval ratings than Starmer
Ah, the crutch of 'public opinion' – a favourite of yours. I note you haven't engaged with the substantive point... again.
Funny old world.
There is no substantive point other than some weird idea that you are trying to justify Starmer with and cannot accept what is obvious to everyone Starmer is hopeless at politics
I will have to put that reply through the Google Translator later. Now I have work to do, and a run to run.
The Portuguese government is proposing to slash taxes for under-35s in an attempt to dissuade young people from emigrating - and encourage foreigners to settle in Portugal.
As part of the annual budget, being presented to parliament on Thursday, the centre-right government of Luís Montenegro aims to reduce income tax for under-35s to a maximum of 15%.
The tax rate for Portuguese earning the average salary of just under €20,000 (£16,700) is currently 26%.
Under the government's plan, people in their 20s at the start of their careers could pay nothing at all in tax for the first year, and the tax burden would then be applied on a sliding scale. It would apply to young foreigners, too.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
Hang on, we've just established that he hasn't said another. Okay, I mean, he might have said another, down the pub, or in the kitchen when rustling up tandoori salmon. But nobody has managed to find a quote.
What is your point when your leader is tanking in the polls and sits below Farage and as @HYUFD has just said whichever conservative is elected would have higher approval ratings than Starmer
Ah, the crutch of 'public opinion' – a favourite of yours. I note you haven't engaged with the substantive point... again.
Funny old world.
There is no substantive point other than some weird idea that you are trying to justify Starmer with and cannot accept what is obvious to everyone Starmer is hopeless at politics
He’s done pretty well for someone hopeless at politics. Most politicians would love to be that hopeless. He has to defeat a number of people to get where he got to today.
The interesting question is what happens next. Government is different to opposition.
In government is very different and Starmer has similarities to Sunak in his political antennae
I am disappointed in him, not that I expected a new Blair, but I really did not see the sleeze, freebies and cronyism coming at all nor do I suspect did most anyone else
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
Hang on, we've just established that he hasn't said another. Okay, I mean, he might have said another, down the pub, or in the kitchen when rustling up tandoori salmon. But nobody has managed to find a quote.
Labour are in the mire when Starmer has lost lifelong Labour voter Taz. It's end of days mate!
Waiting for your next flounce, mate. It won't be long.
I supported labour at the last election and, unlike Cpt Cash, have voted for them at Every General Election I have voted in but I do not support them like I support my soccer team.
Just to cheer you up I'll jump when I'm ready. I have enjoyed the discomfort the last 24 hours have brought to those PB Tories who assumed Cleverly was a shoo-in and the future. All bets are on Badenoch now, although in a couple of weeks Jenrick might be the answer. It's a funny old game Saint!
P.S. I don't think there are as many on here with red scarves tied quite as tightly around the neck as there are blue ones. I couldn't care less who wins the next election so long as it's not any cabal of right wing headbangers.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
Hang on, we've just established that he hasn't said another. Okay, I mean, he might have said another, down the pub, or in the kitchen when rustling up tandoori salmon. But nobody has managed to find a quote.
What is your point when your leader is tanking in the polls and sits below Farage and as @HYUFD has just said whichever conservative is elected would have higher approval ratings than Starmer
Ah, the crutch of 'public opinion' – a favourite of yours. I note you haven't engaged with the substantive point... again.
Funny old world.
There is no substantive point other than some weird idea that you are trying to justify Starmer with and cannot accept what is obvious to everyone Starmer is hopeless at politics
He’s done pretty well for someone hopeless at politics. Most politicians would love to be that hopeless. He has to defeat a number of people to get where he got to today.
The interesting question is what happens next. Government is different to opposition.
In government is very different and Starmer has similarities to Sunak in his political antennae
I am disappointed in him, not that I expected a new Blair, but I really did not see the sleeze, freebies and cronyism coming at all nor do I suspect to most anyone else
He has made serious mistakes. They are disappointing, but it’s early days and he was written off before. To call him hopeless at politics is absurd given what he has already achieved.
A LAW student who called Arsenal and England ace Bukayo Saka a “monkey” has dodged a jail term after insisting he was not being racist.
Westminster magistrates chair Kieran O’Donnell told Ali: “Your lawyer said your intention was not to be racist, but whoever heard it would have heard racial abuse.
“But you are of previous good character.”
"You have no previous convictions. You are remorseful"
Hopefully Arsenal give him a lifetime ban from the Emirates.
I'm (sort of) aware of a case where a member of nursery staff called a child of African (at last in part) extraction 'a little monkey' due to his misbehaving. The mother heard the remark and complained to the management, demanding the member of staff's racialism.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
Hang on, we've just established that he hasn't said another. Okay, I mean, he might have said another, down the pub, or in the kitchen when rustling up tandoori salmon. But nobody has managed to find a quote.
What is your point when your leader is tanking in the polls and sits below Farage and as @HYUFD has just said whichever conservative is elected would have higher approval ratings than Starmer
Ah, the crutch of 'public opinion' – a favourite of yours. I note you haven't engaged with the substantive point... again.
Funny old world.
There is no substantive point other than some weird idea that you are trying to justify Starmer with and cannot accept what is obvious to everyone Starmer is hopeless at politics
He’s done pretty well for someone hopeless at politics. Most politicians would love to be that hopeless. He has to defeat a number of people to get where he got to today.
The interesting question is what happens next. Government is different to opposition.
You can make a similar argument for Sunak - he became PM while being actively shit at politics.
The rather sterile debate on PB about whether Starmer is a hypocrite or not is getting very tedious. Part of his appeal while leader of the opposition was based on hammering the wrong doing of the Tories, even when said wrong doing wasn't necessarily actually wrong doing (such as redecorating No 10 etc). he excoriated repeatedly over partygate, yet was rather close to the rules for his own affairs with curry and beer. The image was of someone playing by the rules, being honest and upfront.
And arguably, no rules have been broken by the donations of a rich man to multiple Labour MP's. It is, however, the perception that is the problem. The perception is that he is a grasping, money grubbing lawyer, never quite breaking the rules but stretching them oh so thin. And I don't think we have had the real truth about the house borrowing.
So Anabob can keep saying - "show me where he did this, or that or the other" and Big G can point to opinion polling and never the twain will meet.
And we can all skip gloriously past those posts...
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
Hang on, we've just established that he hasn't said another. Okay, I mean, he might have said another, down the pub, or in the kitchen when rustling up tandoori salmon. But nobody has managed to find a quote.
What is your point when your leader is tanking in the polls and sits below Farage and as @HYUFD has just said whichever conservative is elected would have higher approval ratings than Starmer
Ah, the crutch of 'public opinion' – a favourite of yours. I note you haven't engaged with the substantive point... again.
Funny old world.
There is no substantive point other than some weird idea that you are trying to justify Starmer with and cannot accept what is obvious to everyone Starmer is hopeless at politics
He’s done pretty well for someone hopeless at politics. Most politicians would love to be that hopeless. He has to defeat a number of people to get where he got to today.
The interesting question is what happens next. Government is different to opposition.
In government is very different and Starmer has similarities to Sunak in his political antennae
I am disappointed in him, not that I expected a new Blair, but I really did not see the sleeze, freebies and cronyism coming at all nor do I suspect to most anyone else
He has made serious mistakes. They are disappointing, but it’s early days and he was written off before. To call him hopeless at politics is absurd given what he has already achieved.
I do respect you acknowledging mistakes have been made and it all adds up to a volatile unpredictable future for everyone involved in politics and of course he could recover but equally he may have sustained reputational damage that will be hard to shift
Time and events will tell but anyone who thinks they know the outcome of the next GE are either wish casting or do not see how rapidly change is happening both here and across the world
A LAW student who called Arsenal and England ace Bukayo Saka a “monkey” has dodged a jail term after insisting he was not being racist.
Westminster magistrates chair Kieran O’Donnell told Ali: “Your lawyer said your intention was not to be racist, but whoever heard it would have heard racial abuse.
“But you are of previous good character.”
"You have no previous convictions. You are remorseful"
Hopefully Arsenal give him a lifetime ban from the Emirates.
I'm (sort of) aware of a case where a member of nursery staff called a child of African (at last in part) extraction 'a little monkey' due to his misbehaving. The mother heard the remark and complained to the management, demanding the member of staff's racialism.
I rather doubt this individual was being nice about Saka in light of a 1-0 defeat at Nottingham Forest.
@MrHarryCole LEAK: Robert Jenrick proposed deal with France for Britain to PAY Paris to swap their successful asylum seekers for small boat illegal crossers
Sunak put it to Macron in 2023, who said no…
Quizzed over leak, he launches astonishing broadside at French
I can’t remember a time when poll after poll shows such a tight race in the swing states . Anything could happen . This election is also harder to read re the early vote because party affiliation has dropped , quite a few states now also have auto-registration which could effect turnout .
How on earth can Starmer be below Farage in net favourability in the latest yougov ?
Also, despite the lack of enthusiasm for Jenrick and Badenoch from many, Starmer is already so unpopular the new Leader of the Opposition whichever of them wins could well have higher net favourable ratings than him once elected if Yougov is correct.
When was the last time a new Leader of the Opposition had higher net approval ratings than a new PM who had recently won a general election to take his party into power? Certainly Ed Miliband and William Hague had much worse net approval ratings than Cameron and Blair in late 2010 and late 1997. Even Thatcher had lower net approval ratings than Wilson and Callaghan initially.
Maybe Wilson in late 1970?
Are you sure? ( And I genuinely don't know) Harold was odds on to win in 1970.
Famously. It was the polling failure that created the benchmark for future polling failures.
The thing that most obviously comes to mind is that they have to deal with complaints about complaints when the energy companies rip people off. I could imagine that absorbing a thousand people's working lives with some ease.
@MrHarryCole LEAK: Robert Jenrick proposed deal with France for Britain to PAY Paris to swap their successful asylum seekers for small boat illegal crossers
Sunak put it to Macron in 2023, who said no…
Quizzed over leak, he launches astonishing broadside at French
Now that smells more like a scandal than do Mrs Starmer's free pants!
@MrHarryCole LEAK: Robert Jenrick proposed deal with France for Britain to PAY Paris to swap their successful asylum seekers for small boat illegal crossers
Sunak put it to Macron in 2023, who said no…
Quizzed over leak, he launches astonishing broadside at French
Now that smells more like a scandal than do Mrs Starmer's free pants!
Astonishing broadside at the French - is Jenrick still hopeful for @TSE's vote?
The thing that most obviously comes to mind is that they have to deal with complaints about complaints when the energy companies rip people off. I could imagine that absorbing a thousand people's working lives with some ease.
Oh my. So they're are two separate quangos to do with the energy market? Special.
So what do the 1,160 people at OfGem do?
Attend meetings, write documents, review documents, make presentations, increase awareness. They work very hard and an independent review will show that more employees are required to do it.
The thing that most obviously comes to mind is that they have to deal with complaints about complaints when the energy companies rip people off. I could imagine that absorbing a thousand people's working lives with some ease.
@MrHarryCole LEAK: Robert Jenrick proposed deal with France for Britain to PAY Paris to swap their successful asylum seekers for small boat illegal crossers
Sunak put it to Macron in 2023, who said no…
Quizzed over leak, he launches astonishing broadside at French
Now that smells more like a scandal than do Mrs Starmer's free pants!
Astonishing broadside at the French - is Jenrick still hopeful for @TSE's vote?
The thing that most obviously comes to mind is that they have to deal with complaints about complaints when the energy companies rip people off. I could imagine that absorbing a thousand people's working lives with some ease.
The Portuguese government is proposing to slash taxes for under-35s in an attempt to dissuade young people from emigrating - and encourage foreigners to settle in Portugal.
As part of the annual budget, being presented to parliament on Thursday, the centre-right government of Luís Montenegro aims to reduce income tax for under-35s to a maximum of 15%.
The tax rate for Portuguese earning the average salary of just under €20,000 (£16,700) is currently 26%.
Under the government's plan, people in their 20s at the start of their careers could pay nothing at all in tax for the first year, and the tax burden would then be applied on a sliding scale. It would apply to young foreigners, too.
A LAW student who called Arsenal and England ace Bukayo Saka a “monkey” has dodged a jail term after insisting he was not being racist.
Westminster magistrates chair Kieran O’Donnell told Ali: “Your lawyer said your intention was not to be racist, but whoever heard it would have heard racial abuse.
“But you are of previous good character.”
"You have no previous convictions. You are remorseful"
Hopefully Arsenal give him a lifetime ban from the Emirates.
I'm (sort of) aware of a case where a member of nursery staff called a child of African (at last in part) extraction 'a little monkey' due to his misbehaving. The mother heard the remark and complained to the management, demanding the member of staff's racialism.
I rather doubt this individual was being nice about Saka in light of a 1-0 defeat at Nottingham Forest.
Apparently he included an audio message on Twatter - “fing b***k piece of s**t”
Not sure how you say that without intending to be racist....
A LAW student who called Arsenal and England ace Bukayo Saka a “monkey” has dodged a jail term after insisting he was not being racist.
Westminster magistrates chair Kieran O’Donnell told Ali: “Your lawyer said your intention was not to be racist, but whoever heard it would have heard racial abuse.
“But you are of previous good character.”
"You have no previous convictions. You are remorseful"
Hopefully Arsenal give him a lifetime ban from the Emirates.
I'm (sort of) aware of a case where a member of nursery staff called a child of African (at last in part) extraction 'a little monkey' due to his misbehaving. The mother heard the remark and complained to the management, demanding the member of staff's racialism.
I rather doubt this individual was being nice about Saka in light of a 1-0 defeat at Nottingham Forest.
Apparently he included an audio message on Twatter - “fing b***k piece of s**t”
Not sure how you say that without intending to be racist....
Also used the N word, apparently. And I don't mean 'numpty'.
Interestingly the defendant himself is black. Which is not to suggest it's any more acceptable, but it is interesting that he referenced Saka's ethnic group in this way.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
Hang on, we've just established that he hasn't said another. Okay, I mean, he might have said another, down the pub, or in the kitchen when rustling up tandoori salmon. But nobody has managed to find a quote.
Labour are in the mire when Starmer has lost lifelong Labour voter Taz. It's end of days mate!
Waiting for your next flounce, mate. It won't be long.
I supported labour at the last election and, unlike Cpt Cash, have voted for them at Every General Election I have voted in but I do not support them like I support my soccer team.
Just to cheer you up I'll jump when I'm ready. I have enjoyed the discomfort the last 24 hours have brought to those PB Tories who assumed Cleverly was a shoo-in and the future. All bets are on Badenoch now, although in a couple of weeks Jenrick might be the answer. It's a funny old game Saint!
P.S. I don't think there are as many on here with red scarves tied quite as tightly around the neck as there are blue ones. I couldn't care less who wins the next election so long as it's not any cabal of right wing headbangers.
As I said before, I don't mind either way if you stay or go (and I would say that about anyone) but, you know, it is not Heathrow Airport and departures don't need announcing.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Well he's a lawyer, so not daft, he is not going to box himself in by being so specific when he could just make a general statement to make him appear to be virtuous and put clear blue water between him and the sleazy Tories which meant, when he did help himself to freebies he could merely really on people to say "well he meant he was going to clean up politics but that didn't mean he shouldnt trouser freebies according to the rules" when, maybe, the rules need revisiting.
The rules need revising indeed. I was told by a very patronising poster on here the other day that I was a "beerhall accountant" (I think that was an attempt at wit) for suggesting that there should be a BIK tax applied. This pompous twat/self-appointed expert stated that it does not apply to anyone receiving gifts. Real accountants disagree. It has been pointed out that celebs and "influencers" who receive gifts in the course of their work have BIK applied. HMRC has simply turned a blind eye to MPs. It is about time they did not. I personally do not care about the odd trip to the football, but tens of thousands of pounds worth of designer clothes is outrageous.
If that was it was alehouse accountant, not beerhall.
Which real world accountants (I am one ?)
Benefits in Kind are provided to employees by their employer. Many on here may have a P11D which lists a company car as a BIK. In the past mobile phones for employees were included as a benefit in kind.
I also stated influencers could be liable to pay tax on a gift from a company that they then promoted, however it is not a BIK, its a potential tax on a non-monetary consideration.
Gifts from out of tax income from 'friends', ie Lord Alli are not taxable.
You might get 'real accountants' to say it's 'arguable' that its taxable, but if you pay a barrister enough, they will say anything is 'arguable'.
Gifts by companies (tickets for example) would only be taxable if in return for the consideration, the recipient provided a service or influenced a decision - in which case a politician would have bigger things to worry about than tax.
Former special adviser predicts that James Cleverly will be the Conservative leader at the next election
I just think he's made a bit of a fool of himself, and his inability to count merely confirms his convivial but thick reputation.
When the circus comes round again, as it may well, I see no reason Cleverly would be the one to benefit. People merely say that because, until 24 hours ago, he was the man with momentum. Well, he very definitely ain't now.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
Hang on, we've just established that he hasn't said another. Okay, I mean, he might have said another, down the pub, or in the kitchen when rustling up tandoori salmon. But nobody has managed to find a quote.
What is your point when your leader is tanking in the polls and sits below Farage and as @HYUFD has just said whichever conservative is elected would have higher approval ratings than Starmer
Ah, the crutch of 'public opinion' – a favourite of yours. I note you haven't engaged with the substantive point... again.
Funny old world.
There is no substantive point other than some weird idea that you are trying to justify Starmer with and cannot accept what is obvious to everyone Starmer is hopeless at politics
He’s done pretty well for someone hopeless at politics. Most politicians would love to be that hopeless. He has to defeat a number of people to get where he got to today.
The interesting question is what happens next. Government is different to opposition.
In government is very different and Starmer has similarities to Sunak in his political antennae
I am disappointed in him, not that I expected a new Blair, but I really did not see the sleeze, freebies and cronyism coming at all nor do I suspect to most anyone else
He has made serious mistakes. They are disappointing, but it’s early days and he was written off before. To call him hopeless at politics is absurd given what he has already achieved.
It is early days. For me the key thing is the budget. Everything this govt does hangs on that. That is what should, and will, matter not the hypocrisy of SKS and the Taylor Grift brigade.
The budget will affect and shape our lives. Taking freebies won't
A LAW student who called Arsenal and England ace Bukayo Saka a “monkey” has dodged a jail term after insisting he was not being racist.
Westminster magistrates chair Kieran O’Donnell told Ali: “Your lawyer said your intention was not to be racist, but whoever heard it would have heard racial abuse.
“But you are of previous good character.”
"You have no previous convictions. You are remorseful"
Hopefully Arsenal give him a lifetime ban from the Emirates.
I'm (sort of) aware of a case where a member of nursery staff called a child of African (at last in part) extraction 'a little monkey' due to his misbehaving. The mother heard the remark and complained to the management, demanding the member of staff's racialism.
I rather doubt this individual was being nice about Saka in light of a 1-0 defeat at Nottingham Forest.
Apparently he included an audio message on Twatter - “fing b***k piece of s**t”
Not sure how you say that without intending to be racist....
Also used the N word, apparently. And I don't mean 'numpty'.
Interestingly the defendant himself is black. Which is not to suggest it's any more acceptable, but it is interesting that he referenced Saka's ethnic group in this way.
Indeed. When Blair was in power, they looked at banning the N word. But ran into the problem that nearly all of its use was by young gentleman of the group on question. So how to create an exemption?
So they asked various lawyers and law firms for ideas. I came across a group of very young lawyers who'd been given it as an exercise, while out drinking. I sold them on using the number of grandparents......
Seeing the video of the Big Z arriving at No. 10, I wonder how much Larry the Cat paid the Labour Party for its unrestricted pass to the building...
Big Z? I thought he was roughly Sunak-sized, a little under 0.9 Wales.
He may be short in stature, but the 'big' refers to the wheelbarrow he needs to carry his big balls around in.
Interestingly*, while I always pronounce 'Z' as 'zed', I most definitely read 'Big Z' as 'Big Zee', not 'Big Zed'. Is that due to my own subconscious confusion with our own Big G?
Simon Rosenberg @SimonWDC If you wanted clear confirmation the right is running an op to push the polling averages to Trump here we have a start-up right-aligned university in Texas finding the wherewithal to field a poll in PA, which of course has Trump ahead:
A LAW student who called Arsenal and England ace Bukayo Saka a “monkey” has dodged a jail term after insisting he was not being racist.
Westminster magistrates chair Kieran O’Donnell told Ali: “Your lawyer said your intention was not to be racist, but whoever heard it would have heard racial abuse.
“But you are of previous good character.”
"You have no previous convictions. You are remorseful"
Hopefully Arsenal give him a lifetime ban from the Emirates.
I'm (sort of) aware of a case where a member of nursery staff called a child of African (at last in part) extraction 'a little monkey' due to his misbehaving. The mother heard the remark and complained to the management, demanding the member of staff's racialism.
I rather doubt this individual was being nice about Saka in light of a 1-0 defeat at Nottingham Forest.
Apparently he included an audio message on Twatter - “fing b***k piece of s**t”
Not sure how you say that without intending to be racist....
Also used the N word, apparently. And I don't mean 'numpty'.
Interestingly the defendant himself is black. Which is not to suggest it's any more acceptable, but it is interesting that he referenced Saka's ethnic group in this way.
Dave Chapelle would argue that the N-word merely means ‘person’, when expressed by a person of ‘color’.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
Hang on, we've just established that he hasn't said another. Okay, I mean, he might have said another, down the pub, or in the kitchen when rustling up tandoori salmon. But nobody has managed to find a quote.
What is your point when your leader is tanking in the polls and sits below Farage and as @HYUFD has just said whichever conservative is elected would have higher approval ratings than Starmer
Ah, the crutch of 'public opinion' – a favourite of yours. I note you haven't engaged with the substantive point... again.
Funny old world.
There is no substantive point other than some weird idea that you are trying to justify Starmer with and cannot accept what is obvious to everyone Starmer is hopeless at politics
He’s done pretty well for someone hopeless at politics. Most politicians would love to be that hopeless. He has to defeat a number of people to get where he got to today.
The interesting question is what happens next. Government is different to opposition.
In government is very different and Starmer has similarities to Sunak in his political antennae
I am disappointed in him, not that I expected a new Blair, but I really did not see the sleeze, freebies and cronyism coming at all nor do I suspect to most anyone else
He has made serious mistakes. They are disappointing, but it’s early days and he was written off before. To call him hopeless at politics is absurd given what he has already achieved.
I do respect you acknowledging mistakes have been made and it all adds up to a volatile unpredictable future for everyone involved in politics and of course he could recover but equally he may have sustained reputational damage that will be hard to shift
Time and events will tell but anyone who thinks they know the outcome of the next GE are either wish casting or do not see how rapidly change is happening both here and across the world
I completely agree that anyone who claims to know the result of the next election is a fool. Almost any outcome is possible.
It is utterly bizarre that anyone could deny that Starmer made an error of judgement taking things like free glasses. What on Earth was he thinking? Bizarre. I know you’re busy Keir, but you can pay for your own glasses.
It is equally obvious that he has incurred political damage from this. It’s especially bad in the context of the winter fuel allowance.
Where I deviate from Internet hyperbole and chit chat from opponents is that the election is five years hence and the consequences are trivial compared to the outcome of economic performance and the success of other reforms and “events”.
Former special adviser predicts that James Cleverly will be the Conservative leader at the next election
I just think he's made a bit of a fool of himself, and his inability to count merely confirms his convivial but thick reputation.
When the circus comes round again, as it may well, I see no reason Cleverly would be the one to benefit. People merely say that because, until 24 hours ago, he was the man with momentum. Well, he very definitely ain't now.
That would be a bit unfair; after all, it's more that some of his voters on Tuesday were dumb than he was. And nobody is responsible for dumb people voting for them.
Of course, perception is all, and "jolly but dim" might stick. And the nature of perception is that it doesn't have to be accurate or fair (coughStarmetcough), it just is.
Though if Badenoch or Jenrick fail, "jolly but dim" might be the ideal comfort food for a traumatised party.
A LAW student who called Arsenal and England ace Bukayo Saka a “monkey” has dodged a jail term after insisting he was not being racist.
Westminster magistrates chair Kieran O’Donnell told Ali: “Your lawyer said your intention was not to be racist, but whoever heard it would have heard racial abuse.
“But you are of previous good character.”
"You have no previous convictions. You are remorseful"
Hopefully Arsenal give him a lifetime ban from the Emirates.
I'm (sort of) aware of a case where a member of nursery staff called a child of African (at last in part) extraction 'a little monkey' due to his misbehaving. The mother heard the remark and complained to the management, demanding the member of staff's racialism.
I rather doubt this individual was being nice about Saka in light of a 1-0 defeat at Nottingham Forest.
Apparently he included an audio message on Twatter - “fing b***k piece of s**t”
Not sure how you say that without intending to be racist....
Also used the N word, apparently. And I don't mean 'numpty'.
Interestingly the defendant himself is black. Which is not to suggest it's any more acceptable, but it is interesting that he referenced Saka's ethnic group in this way.
Dave Chapelle would argue that the N-word merely means ‘person’, when expressed by a person of ‘color’.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Well he's a lawyer, so not daft, he is not going to box himself in by being so specific when he could just make a general statement to make him appear to be virtuous and put clear blue water between him and the sleazy Tories which meant, when he did help himself to freebies he could merely really on people to say "well he meant he was going to clean up politics but that didn't mean he shouldnt trouser freebies according to the rules" when, maybe, the rules need revisiting.
The rules need revising indeed. I was told by a very patronising poster on here the other day that I was a "beerhall accountant" (I think that was an attempt at wit) for suggesting that there should be a BIK tax applied. This pompous twat/self-appointed expert stated that it does not apply to anyone receiving gifts. Real accountants disagree. It has been pointed out that celebs and "influencers" who receive gifts in the course of their work have BIK applied. HMRC has simply turned a blind eye to MPs. It is about time they did not. I personally do not care about the odd trip to the football, but tens of thousands of pounds worth of designer clothes is outrageous.
If that was it was alehouse accountant, not beerhall.
Which real world accountants (I am one ?)
Benefits in Kind are provided to employees by their employer. Many on here may have a P11D which lists a company car as a BIK. In the past mobile phones for employees were included as a benefit in kind.
I also stated influencers could be liable to pay tax on a gift from a company that they then promoted, however it is not a BIK, its a potential tax on a non-monetary consideration.
Gifts from out of tax income from 'friends', ie Lord Alli are not taxable.
You might get 'real accountants' to say it's 'arguable' that its taxable, but if you pay a barrister enough, they will say anything is 'arguable'.
Gifts by companies (tickets for example) would only be taxable if in return for the consideration, the recipient provided a service or influenced a decision - in which case a politician would have bigger things to worry about than tax.
The point is that Alli is basically the employer of half the cabinet at this point. He’s not a ‘friend’, buying Cabinet ministers is his job.
A LAW student who called Arsenal and England ace Bukayo Saka a “monkey” has dodged a jail term after insisting he was not being racist.
Westminster magistrates chair Kieran O’Donnell told Ali: “Your lawyer said your intention was not to be racist, but whoever heard it would have heard racial abuse.
“But you are of previous good character.”
"You have no previous convictions. You are remorseful"
Hopefully Arsenal give him a lifetime ban from the Emirates.
I'm (sort of) aware of a case where a member of nursery staff called a child of African (at last in part) extraction 'a little monkey' due to his misbehaving. The mother heard the remark and complained to the management, demanding the member of staff's racialism.
I rather doubt this individual was being nice about Saka in light of a 1-0 defeat at Nottingham Forest.
Apparently he included an audio message on Twatter - “fing b***k piece of s**t”
Not sure how you say that without intending to be racist....
Also used the N word, apparently. And I don't mean 'numpty'.
Interestingly the defendant himself is black. Which is not to suggest it's any more acceptable, but it is interesting that he referenced Saka's ethnic group in this way.
Dave Chapelle would argue that the N-word merely means ‘person’, when expressed by a person of ‘color’.
How do you define a person of 'colour' ?
Well now, that's rather the question isn't it? The whole of critical race theory, self ID and many other things stands or falls on that question.
Former special adviser predicts that James Cleverly will be the Conservative leader at the next election
I just think he's made a bit of a fool of himself, and his inability to count merely confirms his convivial but thick reputation.
When the circus comes round again, as it may well, I see no reason Cleverly would be the one to benefit. People merely say that because, until 24 hours ago, he was the man with momentum. Well, he very definitely ain't now.
That would be a bit unfair; after all, it's more that some of his voters on Tuesday were dumb than he was. And nobody is responsible for dumb people voting for them.
Of course, perception is all, and "jolly but dim" might stick. And the nature of perception is that it doesn't have to be accurate or fair (coughStarmetcough), it just is.
Though if Badenoch or Jenrick fail, "jolly but dim" might be the ideal comfort food for a traumatised party.
It is his - or his campaign's - fault. His supporters needed to know he required their vote unless explicitly told to do something else.
Either he failed to convey the message and instead conveyed he was home and dry, enabling him to go to a drinks do rather than hitting the phones, which is unforgivably lax and complacent. Or he can't count.
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
Hang on, we've just established that he hasn't said another. Okay, I mean, he might have said another, down the pub, or in the kitchen when rustling up tandoori salmon. But nobody has managed to find a quote.
What is your point when your leader is tanking in the polls and sits below Farage and as @HYUFD has just said whichever conservative is elected would have higher approval ratings than Starmer
Ah, the crutch of 'public opinion' – a favourite of yours. I note you haven't engaged with the substantive point... again.
Funny old world.
There is no substantive point other than some weird idea that you are trying to justify Starmer with and cannot accept what is obvious to everyone Starmer is hopeless at politics
He’s done pretty well for someone hopeless at politics. Most politicians would love to be that hopeless. He has to defeat a number of people to get where he got to today.
The interesting question is what happens next. Government is different to opposition.
In government is very different and Starmer has similarities to Sunak in his political antennae
I am disappointed in him, not that I expected a new Blair, but I really did not see the sleeze, freebies and cronyism coming at all nor do I suspect to most anyone else
He has made serious mistakes. They are disappointing, but it’s early days and he was written off before. To call him hopeless at politics is absurd given what he has already achieved.
I do respect you acknowledging mistakes have been made and it all adds up to a volatile unpredictable future for everyone involved in politics and of course he could recover but equally he may have sustained reputational damage that will be hard to shift
Time and events will tell but anyone who thinks they know the outcome of the next GE are either wish casting or do not see how rapidly change is happening both here and across the world
I completely agree that anyone who claims to know the result of the next election is a fool. Almost any outcome is possible.
It is utterly bizarre that anyone could deny that Starmer made an error of judgement taking things like free glasses. What on Earth was he thinking? Bizarre. I know you’re busy Keir, but you can pay for your own glasses.
It is equally obvious that he has incurred political damage from this. It’s especially bad in the context of the winter fuel allowance.
Where I deviate from Internet hyperbole and chit chat from opponents is that the election is five years hence and the consequences are trivial compared to the outcome of economic performance and the success of other reforms and “events”.
A LAW student who called Arsenal and England ace Bukayo Saka a “monkey” has dodged a jail term after insisting he was not being racist.
Westminster magistrates chair Kieran O’Donnell told Ali: “Your lawyer said your intention was not to be racist, but whoever heard it would have heard racial abuse.
“But you are of previous good character.”
"You have no previous convictions. You are remorseful"
Hopefully Arsenal give him a lifetime ban from the Emirates.
I'm (sort of) aware of a case where a member of nursery staff called a child of African (at last in part) extraction 'a little monkey' due to his misbehaving. The mother heard the remark and complained to the management, demanding the member of staff's racialism.
I rather doubt this individual was being nice about Saka in light of a 1-0 defeat at Nottingham Forest.
Well, that would be humiliating for Arsenal, agreed.
Former special adviser predicts that James Cleverly will be the Conservative leader at the next election
I just think he's made a bit of a fool of himself, and his inability to count merely confirms his convivial but thick reputation.
When the circus comes round again, as it may well, I see no reason Cleverly would be the one to benefit. People merely say that because, until 24 hours ago, he was the man with momentum. Well, he very definitely ain't now.
That would be a bit unfair; after all, it's more that some of his voters on Tuesday were dumb than he was. And nobody is responsible for dumb people voting for them.
Of course, perception is all, and "jolly but dim" might stick. And the nature of perception is that it doesn't have to be accurate or fair (coughStarmetcough), it just is.
Though if Badenoch or Jenrick fail, "jolly but dim" might be the ideal comfort food for a traumatised party.
It is his - or his campaign's - fault. His supporters needed to know he required their vote unless explicitly told to do something else.
Either he failed to convey the message and instead conveyed he was home and dry, enabling him to go to a drinks do rather than hitting the phones, which is unforgivably lax and complacent. Or he can't count.
Maybe he decided he did want to spend more time with his Warhammer models after all?
The right-wing media are making a bit of an ass of themselves over Starmer and his uncle.
Yes, some of the resultant memes are funny. But saying 'torpedoed' rather than 'bombed' is an easy misspeak to make. It's hardly major in the context, and I wouldn't classify it as a lie. His uncle served, and was on a ship that suffered damage in battle.
Starmer is having a bit of an unfortunate run of misspeaking, calling Sunak PM repeatedly, releasing the sausages...
So what?
Just saying he has is an unfortunate run where he has a number of gaffes in short succession. You are very defensive.
I noticed at PMQs yesterday he fell into the trap of demanding an answer to 'his' question which when Sunak did that previously the Speaker reminded him it is PMs questions !!
As for 'so what' or 'who cares' or 172 seat majority just indicates an attempt to close down the uncomfortable truth that Starmer's first 100 days has descended into freebies, cronyism and a terrible civil war in no 10 reflecting in approval poll ratings even below Sunak
Starmer was elected on his undertaking for change and a new way of doing politics, which has disappointed many including myself as I thought he would at least be true to his word but ultimely all he has been is the same as the rest sadly
Change the record.
Thats the other one I forgot !!!!!
Who are you voting for in the Tory leadership contest?
I am not a member
Who are you supporting?
Badenoch as I have always been very anti Jenrick
I fear for the nation's pearls!!!
Total gifts and donations to Kemi in 24/25 was £274,655 according to ChatGPT – you will surely be happy to check its working?
Graham Edwards: £12,000 Charles Keymer: £10,000 + £40,000 = £50,000 Robert West: £1,855 Shaya Raymond: £5,000 + £5,000 = £10,000 (in-kind donations) Neil Record: £10,000 Dean Richmond: £5,000 David Eventhall: £10,000 Caroline O'Kane: £5,000 David Watson: £10,000 James Mellon: £10,000 Dominic Brisby: £10,000 Martin Bellamy: £5,000 James Emslie: £10,000 Alison Frost: £5,000 Dambisa Moyo: £10,000 Douglas Shaw: £20,000
Andrew Scott: £10,000 Growth Financial Services: £10,000 David Naylor Leyland: £10,000 John Goodall: £5,000 John Edward James: £10,000 Roger Brookhouse: £5,000 Quentin Marshall: £5,000 Charles Morgan: £5,000 Jingle Bell Ball (free tickets): £800
Those look like donations to her office. Which are fine. Do you have more detail?
Well as I have now said multiple times on here, this is not some secret dossier, but the REGISTER OF MEMBERS INTERESTS which is in the pubic domain and takes about three seconds to google. I mean, we all guessed that PB Tories like G hadn't even bothered to look at it – preferring instead to get their 'information' from Guido Fawkes, the man on the internet.
You completely miss the point
As explained in @Taz at 1.36 it is the hypocrisy that is Starmers problem
You also have a weird idea that everyone opposed to Starmer is a right wing Tory when in my case nothing could be further from the truth
I am a one nation conservatives and I post widely from across the media including Sky, Guardian, Times and others but you will not see a post from me from GB news
Your problem is you seem to be in denial just how badly Starmer has been received by the public in his first 100 days and maybe accepting that would be cathartic
Can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Whenever you are ready...
Pointless argument going round in circles
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
OF course Starmer deliberately did not make such a specific commitment as is being demanded. However it still does not mean he is not a hypocrite or guilty of doing one thing and saying another.
Hang on, we've just established that he hasn't said another. Okay, I mean, he might have said another, down the pub, or in the kitchen when rustling up tandoori salmon. But nobody has managed to find a quote.
What is your point when your leader is tanking in the polls and sits below Farage and as @HYUFD has just said whichever conservative is elected would have higher approval ratings than Starmer
Ah, the crutch of 'public opinion' – a favourite of yours. I note you haven't engaged with the substantive point... again.
Funny old world.
There is no substantive point other than some weird idea that you are trying to justify Starmer with and cannot accept what is obvious to everyone Starmer is hopeless at politics
He’s done pretty well for someone hopeless at politics. Most politicians would love to be that hopeless. He has to defeat a number of people to get where he got to today.
The interesting question is what happens next. Government is different to opposition.
In government is very different and Starmer has similarities to Sunak in his political antennae
I am disappointed in him, not that I expected a new Blair, but I really did not see the sleeze, freebies and cronyism coming at all nor do I suspect to most anyone else
He has made serious mistakes. They are disappointing, but it’s early days and he was written off before. To call him hopeless at politics is absurd given what he has already achieved.
I do respect you acknowledging mistakes have been made and it all adds up to a volatile unpredictable future for everyone involved in politics and of course he could recover but equally he may have sustained reputational damage that will be hard to shift
Time and events will tell but anyone who thinks they know the outcome of the next GE are either wish casting or do not see how rapidly change is happening both here and across the world
I completely agree that anyone who claims to know the result of the next election is a fool. Almost any outcome is possible.
It is utterly bizarre that anyone could deny that Starmer made an error of judgement taking things like free glasses. What on Earth was he thinking? Bizarre. I know you’re busy Keir, but you can pay for your own glasses.
It is equally obvious that he has incurred political damage from this. It’s especially bad in the context of the winter fuel allowance.
Where I deviate from Internet hyperbole and chit chat from opponents is that the election is five years hence and the consequences are trivial compared to the outcome of economic performance and the success of other reforms and “events”.
Agreed, IF he mends his ways. It's very disappointing; while I agree there's an element of scale, it's only scale and not principle.
A LAW student who called Arsenal and England ace Bukayo Saka a “monkey” has dodged a jail term after insisting he was not being racist.
Westminster magistrates chair Kieran O’Donnell told Ali: “Your lawyer said your intention was not to be racist, but whoever heard it would have heard racial abuse.
“But you are of previous good character.”
"You have no previous convictions. You are remorseful"
Hopefully Arsenal give him a lifetime ban from the Emirates.
I'm (sort of) aware of a case where a member of nursery staff called a child of African (at last in part) extraction 'a little monkey' due to his misbehaving. The mother heard the remark and complained to the management, demanding the member of staff's racialism.
I rather doubt this individual was being nice about Saka in light of a 1-0 defeat at Nottingham Forest.
Well, that would be humiliating for Arsenal, agreed.
Since they came up, double European Cup winners Forest have beaten Arsenal at the City Ground, Chelsea at Stamford Bridge and Liverpool at Anfield.
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Patel BAD
https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2643743
Look at public opinion on Starmer and his first 100 days and now honestly state that the freebies and cronyism on display from him and his colleagues has not damaged his reputation
Though the USN did torpedo some Korean dams in that 1950s police action of course.
And if whales count, I seem to recall the apocryphal story that the odd whale was sunk en route to the Falklands. I checked but it was missiles and depth charges that hit the ARA Santa Fe at Grytviken - the one torpedo fired missed.
I ask again, can you point me to the part where Sir Keir said MPs shouldn't accept declared gifts? Take your time.
That is what is happening to your leader and time for you to accept this is a PR disaster for him
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1844321310522110453?t=KXzbomAS9yDylJWl7CztZg&s=19
Still here.
Though Davey is highest on -7%
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1843641197736133023
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1844321310522110453
How on earth can Starmer be below Farage in net favourability in the latest yougov ?
https://www.energyombudsman.org/
Now watch all the Starmer apologists howl with whatabouteries.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/30979217/bukayo-saka-law-student-dodges-jail/
A LAW student who called Arsenal and England ace Bukayo Saka a “monkey” has dodged a jail term after insisting he was not being racist.
Westminster magistrates chair Kieran O’Donnell told Ali: “Your lawyer said your intention was not to be racist, but whoever heard it would have heard racial abuse.
“But you are of previous good character.”
"You have no previous convictions. You are remorseful"
Hopefully Arsenal give him a lifetime ban from the Emirates.
When was the last time a new Leader of the Opposition had higher net approval ratings than a new PM who had recently won a general election to take his party into power? Certainly Ed Miliband and William Hague had much worse net approval ratings than Cameron and Blair in late 2010 and late 1997. Even Thatcher had lower net approval ratings than Wilson and Callaghan initially.
Maybe Wilson in late 1970?
Another disrupter.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/starmer-s-new-chief-mcsweeney-to-disrupt-and-break-things-until-labour-delivers/ar-AA1s1Ey6?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=8c1405c471fc4be2a8fc444b1fe30cb1&ei=11
Former special adviser predicts that James Cleverly will be the Conservative leader at the next election
Funny old world.
The interesting question is what happens next. Government is different to opposition.
I supported labour at the last election and, unlike Cpt Cash, have voted for them at Every General Election I have voted in but I do not support them like I support my soccer team.
Make sure you wipe around the U-Bend too.
As part of the annual budget, being presented to parliament on Thursday, the centre-right government of Luís Montenegro aims to reduce income tax for under-35s to a maximum of 15%.
The tax rate for Portuguese earning the average salary of just under €20,000 (£16,700) is currently 26%.
Under the government's plan, people in their 20s at the start of their careers could pay nothing at all in tax for the first year, and the tax burden would then be applied on a sliding scale. It would apply to young foreigners, too.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2yrx8yny2o
I am disappointed in him, not that I expected a new Blair, but I really did not see the sleeze, freebies and cronyism coming at all nor do I suspect did most anyone else
P.S. I don't think there are as many on here with red scarves tied quite as tightly around the neck as there are blue ones. I couldn't care less who wins the next election so long as it's not any cabal of right wing headbangers.
Arizona Trump 49% Harris 47%
Michigan and Wisconsin Harris 49% Trump 49%
Nevada Harris 48% Trump 47%
Georgia, NC and Pennsylvania Trump 49% Harris 48%
https://emersoncollegepolling.com/october-2024-state-polls-mixed-movement-across-swing-states-shows-dead-heat/
The rather sterile debate on PB about whether Starmer is a hypocrite or not is getting very tedious. Part of his appeal while leader of the opposition was based on hammering the wrong doing of the Tories, even when said wrong doing wasn't necessarily actually wrong doing (such as redecorating No 10 etc). he excoriated repeatedly over partygate, yet was rather close to the rules for his own affairs with curry and beer. The image was of someone playing by the rules, being honest and upfront.
And arguably, no rules have been broken by the donations of a rich man to multiple Labour MP's. It is, however, the perception that is the problem. The perception is that he is a grasping, money grubbing lawyer, never quite breaking the rules but stretching them oh so thin. And I don't think we have had the real truth about the house borrowing.
So Anabob can keep saying - "show me where he did this, or that or the other" and Big G can point to opinion polling and never the twain will meet.
And we can all skip gloriously past those posts...
Time and events will tell but anyone who thinks they know the outcome of the next GE are either wish casting or do not see how rapidly change is happening both here and across the world
LEAK: Robert Jenrick proposed deal with France for Britain to PAY Paris to swap their successful asylum seekers for small boat illegal crossers
Sunak put it to Macron in 2023, who said no…
Quizzed over leak, he launches astonishing broadside at French
So disappointingly weak.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/10/north-korea-engineers-deployed-russia-ukraine
On the sort of YouTube channels I watch Trump seems to be struggling, but on here, he's smashing it out of the park.
200kg of TNT should be enough to level the building https://unsaferguard.org/un-saferguard/blast-damage-estimation
Meanwhile, Singapore and Dubai say hello…
Should have gone to specsavers !!
Not sure how you say that without intending to be racist....
Interestingly the defendant himself is black. Which is not to suggest it's any more acceptable, but it is interesting that he referenced Saka's ethnic group in this way.
Which real world accountants (I am one ?)
Benefits in Kind are provided to employees by their employer. Many on here may have a P11D which lists a company car as a BIK. In the past mobile phones for employees were included as a benefit in kind.
I also stated influencers could be liable to pay tax on a gift from a company that they then promoted, however it is not a BIK, its a potential tax on a non-monetary consideration.
Gifts from out of tax income from 'friends', ie Lord Alli are not taxable.
You might get 'real accountants' to say it's 'arguable' that its taxable, but if you pay a barrister enough, they will say anything is 'arguable'.
Gifts by companies (tickets for example) would only be taxable if in return for the consideration, the recipient provided a service or influenced a decision - in which case a politician would have bigger things to worry about than tax.
When the circus comes round again, as it may well, I see no reason Cleverly would be the one to benefit. People merely say that because, until 24 hours ago, he was the man with momentum. Well, he very definitely ain't now.
(France once had a leader called France)
The budget will affect and shape our lives. Taking freebies won't
https://www.lightningmaps.org/#google_vignette;m=oss;t=3;s=0;o=0;b=;ts=0;ts24=1;z=7;y=25.7273;x=-78.4556;d=2;dl=2;dc=0;
So they asked various lawyers and law firms for ideas. I came across a group of very young lawyers who'd been given it as an exercise, while out drinking. I sold them on using the number of grandparents......
*well, maybe not that interestingly!
Simon Rosenberg
@SimonWDC
If you wanted clear confirmation the right is running an op to push the polling averages to Trump here we have a start-up right-aligned university in Texas finding the wherewithal to field a poll in PA, which of course has Trump ahead:
https://x.com/SimonWDC/status/1844375746611118390
Austin appears to have 100 students and 23 staff!
It is utterly bizarre that anyone could deny that Starmer made an error of judgement taking things like free glasses. What on Earth was he thinking? Bizarre. I know you’re busy Keir, but you can pay for your own glasses.
It is equally obvious that he has incurred political damage from this. It’s especially bad in the context of the winter fuel allowance.
Where I deviate from Internet hyperbole and chit chat from opponents is that the election is five years hence and the consequences are trivial compared to the outcome of economic performance and the success of other reforms and “events”.
Of course, perception is all, and "jolly but dim" might stick. And the nature of perception is that it doesn't have to be accurate or fair (coughStarmetcough), it just is.
Though if Badenoch or Jenrick fail, "jolly but dim" might be the ideal comfort food for a traumatised party.
We’re all watching the snooker, right?
Either he failed to convey the message and instead conveyed he was home and dry, enabling him to go to a drinks do rather than hitting the phones, which is unforgivably lax and complacent. Or he can't count.
Have all of these clubs been 'humiliated'?