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  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,635

    viewcode said:

    How did the Israelis know which pagers were owned by Hezbollah? Did they detonate specific ones or just all in a given area? If the latter, were civilian owners of pagers affected?

    They seem to have infiltrated the supply chain of Hezbollah, if the suppositions are correct. Which is pretty genius, supply Hezbollah 'enhanced' pagers and let Hezbollah distribute them for you.

    How many non-terrorists still use pagers in this day and age? Do civilian owners of pagers still even exist?
    Hospital workers do. Therein lies the risk.
  • mercatormercator Posts: 815

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    mercator said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    Their letting Vance out again.

    Should be a wild one...


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    3m
    So Trump is featured in a “Fighting Anti-Semitism” event with Miriam Adelson in D.C. on Thursday, September 19. Two days later, his running mate, JD Vance, is to appear in PA with Tucker Carlson, a leading promoter of Holocaust denial. Perhaps Trump should order Vance not to go?

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1836070727079878883

    Tucker Carlson is not a Holocaust denier, nor a “promotor of Holocaust denial”

    He’s a journalist who has interviewed people with all sorts of viewpoints, some of them rather fringe. That isn’t the same.
    Hosting a holocaust denier, Tucker Carlson said "Darryl Cooper may be the best and most honest popular historian in the United States. His latest project is the most forbidden of all: trying to understand World War Two.”
    https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-pushing-nazi-apologias-and-holocaust-denial-he-addressed-rnc-just
    Sounds like a bit of 'deniable' Holocaust denial there. These 'racists with table manners' usually build in some deniability.
    Just asking questions.

    BTW I came across dear old James Delingpole on substack the other day. Batshit doesn't begin to cover it. The Southport murders never happened (crisis actors and a subservient press), Edward Heath raped and murdered 5 year old boys on his yacht and if you think that sounds bad you should hear what Churchill got up to. Sadly Churchill was paying subscribers only. I thought I would spend the money elsewhere.
    Oh god. Delingpole. As so often I wonder about the 'mad' v 'bad' v 'sad' dynamic with these guys. Not that it really matters, I suppose. All you can assess is the output. The rest is a mystery, maybe even to them.
    I remember him in the 90s. He was quite an eloquent and interesting music journalist. Odd, the tangent his career subsequently took.
    Was he? Didn't know that.

    The dreaded two words "Tony Parsons" have come to mind.
    Delingpole is another example of a public figure going down the self radicalising spiral/plug hole.
    Yes. Seems amiable and far from thick yet the output is stupid and nasty. So whatever is causing that has questions to answer.
    Social media, these days.

    It was a noted phenomenon in Northern Ireland, before SM. Someone would start drinking in a pub. End up drinking with some er… enthusiastic people. Who would, in turn introduce them to another pub, down the road. And so on…. The end would be drinking with the actual Men of Violence.
    I dunno, it's really not easy. I believe that Mountbatten abused boys at Kincora (as in I would stake serious money at evens, if I knew there was conclusive evidence one way or the other and if considerations of good taste didn't preclude having a bet). Is the Morning Cloud murder theory utterly unthinkable, in comparison? It would certainly be no bet either way for me.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,110

    viewcode said:

    How did the Israelis know which pagers were owned by Hezbollah? Did they detonate specific ones or just all in a given area? If the latter, were civilian owners of pagers affected?

    They are special supposed secure pagers only given to Hezbollah operatives.
    Which is quite plausible, given that regular people don't use pagers any more.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,096
    Leon said:

    mercator said:

    kinabalu said:

    mercator said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Okay, looking at MSM videos of these exploding pagers, they were small bombs not battery fires.

    Wow, that’s a proper well done to Mossad, not that they’ll be admitting anything anytime soon.

    Au contraire, I imagine Mossad will be super keen to own this one. Because

    1. It is genuinely brilliant and daring and forensic - the opposite of the Gaza horrorshow. This is the old Israel we admire. The Israel of Entebbe and Stuxnet

    And

    2. It will terrify the shit out of everyone in Tehran and Hamas and Hezbollah. They now cannot trust any electronic equipment
    Yes it is extremely clever and will no doubt have taken out a number of Hezbollah operatives. But it also involves having a large number of bombs going off in a totally random way resulting in thousands of civilian casualties.

    For all the cleverness the criminal indifference to collateral damage and casualties seems all too analogous to Gaza.

    Israel is a country that has lost its soul.
    Sorry David but I completely disagree. Pagers are devices people carry on them by and large, if Hezbollah operatives pagers are blowing up then that is incredibly precisely targeted explosions that are affecting the person carrying the device, ie the operative.

    Infinitely smarter and better than lobbing missiles at the buildings with operatives in, which will inevitably carry more collateral damage.
    Quite so

    If only Israel had done something like this in gaza against Hamas

    Anyway. It is absurd to condemn Israel for indiscriminate bombing in Gaza but then also condemn her for ultra-discriminate bombing of Hezbollah fighters, individual by individual

    What is Israel meant to do? Ask the UN to come in and peacefully arrest Hezbollah members and then hold them in maybe the Savoy Hotel with full bed and board?

    1200 Israelis were killed October 7-8, many more kidnapped and tortured. Hezbollah have been loudly declaring their intent to do similar ASAP
    Slightly unusual for you to use "her" for a country. What's the brain chemistry there?
    This linguistic form is a little archaic/poetic now, but used to be rather more common. And Leon is not averse to a bit of florid prose.
    Well I hope Iran doesn't go off the deep end in response. She can be unpredictable.
    Especially at certain اوقات الشهر
    How on earth have you typed that last bit.
    Copy and paste from Google translate

    But I in theory know some classical Arabic and I am due to be travelling in Algeria and then Pakistan between now and Christmas and I don't mind not knowing the lingo, but I do object to being illiterate to the extent of not being able to read Algiers or Islamabad on a roadsign. So I am brushing up on the alphabet and I could, with difficulty, manage it with an Arabic keyboard.
    In which it is revealed that @kinabalu doesn’t know about “Google Translate”
    Only sussed "Maps" quite recently. I'm 64 and in managed decline.

    Emphasis on "managed" there if that's not too boastful.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    Eabhal said:

    viewcode said:

    How did the Israelis know which pagers were owned by Hezbollah? Did they detonate specific ones or just all in a given area? If the latter, were civilian owners of pagers affected?

    They seem to have infiltrated the supply chain of Hezbollah, if the suppositions are correct. Which is pretty genius, supply Hezbollah 'enhanced' pagers and let Hezbollah distribute them for you.

    How many non-terrorists still use pagers in this day and age? Do civilian owners of pagers still even exist?
    Hospital workers do. Therein lies the risk.
    Zero reports of medical staff being hurt or killed so far. That doesn’t mean there won’t be. But none to date

    Lebanese officials are admitting these pagers were specifically owned by Hezbollah fighters

    It does look like a bullseye
  • viewcode said:

    How did the Israelis know which pagers were owned by Hezbollah? Did they detonate specific ones or just all in a given area? If the latter, were civilian owners of pagers affected?

    At this point not enough information to be sure.

    But sources inside Lebanon have been describing them as “Hezbollah pagers”. Which strongly suggests some kind of targeting.

    There is also some evidence that all the pagers are the same specific brand & model.

    From the later point, it is not much of a reach to wonder if Hezbollah did a bulk buy and handed them out. Which in turn suggests that the bulk buy was spotted and subverted.
    Not the least interesting aspect is the identification of the victims. Most will be H soldiers,for sure, but it is likely that one or two of them will be ....erm....a little surprisng.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,096

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    mercator said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    Their letting Vance out again.

    Should be a wild one...


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    3m
    So Trump is featured in a “Fighting Anti-Semitism” event with Miriam Adelson in D.C. on Thursday, September 19. Two days later, his running mate, JD Vance, is to appear in PA with Tucker Carlson, a leading promoter of Holocaust denial. Perhaps Trump should order Vance not to go?

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1836070727079878883

    Tucker Carlson is not a Holocaust denier, nor a “promotor of Holocaust denial”

    He’s a journalist who has interviewed people with all sorts of viewpoints, some of them rather fringe. That isn’t the same.
    Hosting a holocaust denier, Tucker Carlson said "Darryl Cooper may be the best and most honest popular historian in the United States. His latest project is the most forbidden of all: trying to understand World War Two.”
    https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-pushing-nazi-apologias-and-holocaust-denial-he-addressed-rnc-just
    Sounds like a bit of 'deniable' Holocaust denial there. These 'racists with table manners' usually build in some deniability.
    Just asking questions.

    BTW I came across dear old James Delingpole on substack the other day. Batshit doesn't begin to cover it. The Southport murders never happened (crisis actors and a subservient press), Edward Heath raped and murdered 5 year old boys on his yacht and if you think that sounds bad you should hear what Churchill got up to. Sadly Churchill was paying subscribers only. I thought I would spend the money elsewhere.
    Oh god. Delingpole. As so often I wonder about the 'mad' v 'bad' v 'sad' dynamic with these guys. Not that it really matters, I suppose. All you can assess is the output. The rest is a mystery, maybe even to them.
    I remember him in the 90s. He was quite an eloquent and interesting music journalist. Odd, the tangent his career subsequently took.
    Was he? Didn't know that.

    The dreaded two words "Tony Parsons" have come to mind.
    Delingpole is another example of a public figure going down the self radicalising spiral/plug hole.
    Yes. Seems amiable and far from thick yet the output is stupid and nasty. So whatever is causing that has questions to answer.
    Social media, these days.

    It was a noted phenomenon in Northern Ireland, before SM. Someone would start drinking in a pub. End up drinking with some er… enthusiastic people. Who would, in turn introduce them to another pub, down the road. And so on…. The end would be drinking with the actual Men of Violence.
    Well I'd rather Delingpole did substack than that. So perhaps we're moving forwards after all.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    mercator said:

    kinabalu said:

    mercator said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Okay, looking at MSM videos of these exploding pagers, they were small bombs not battery fires.

    Wow, that’s a proper well done to Mossad, not that they’ll be admitting anything anytime soon.

    Au contraire, I imagine Mossad will be super keen to own this one. Because

    1. It is genuinely brilliant and daring and forensic - the opposite of the Gaza horrorshow. This is the old Israel we admire. The Israel of Entebbe and Stuxnet

    And

    2. It will terrify the shit out of everyone in Tehran and Hamas and Hezbollah. They now cannot trust any electronic equipment
    Yes it is extremely clever and will no doubt have taken out a number of Hezbollah operatives. But it also involves having a large number of bombs going off in a totally random way resulting in thousands of civilian casualties.

    For all the cleverness the criminal indifference to collateral damage and casualties seems all too analogous to Gaza.

    Israel is a country that has lost its soul.
    Sorry David but I completely disagree. Pagers are devices people carry on them by and large, if Hezbollah operatives pagers are blowing up then that is incredibly precisely targeted explosions that are affecting the person carrying the device, ie the operative.

    Infinitely smarter and better than lobbing missiles at the buildings with operatives in, which will inevitably carry more collateral damage.
    Quite so

    If only Israel had done something like this in gaza against Hamas

    Anyway. It is absurd to condemn Israel for indiscriminate bombing in Gaza but then also condemn her for ultra-discriminate bombing of Hezbollah fighters, individual by individual

    What is Israel meant to do? Ask the UN to come in and peacefully arrest Hezbollah members and then hold them in maybe the Savoy Hotel with full bed and board?

    1200 Israelis were killed October 7-8, many more kidnapped and tortured. Hezbollah have been loudly declaring their intent to do similar ASAP
    Slightly unusual for you to use "her" for a country. What's the brain chemistry there?
    This linguistic form is a little archaic/poetic now, but used to be rather more common. And Leon is not averse to a bit of florid prose.
    Well I hope Iran doesn't go off the deep end in response. She can be unpredictable.
    Especially at certain اوقات الشهر
    How on earth have you typed that last bit.
    Copy and paste from Google translate

    But I in theory know some classical Arabic and I am due to be travelling in Algeria and then Pakistan between now and Christmas and I don't mind not knowing the lingo, but I do object to being illiterate to the extent of not being able to read Algiers or Islamabad on a roadsign. So I am brushing up on the alphabet and I could, with difficulty, manage it with an Arabic keyboard.
    In which it is revealed that @kinabalu doesn’t know about “Google Translate”
    Only sussed "Maps" quite recently. I'm 64 and in managed decline.

    Emphasis on "managed" there if that's not too boastful.
    I’m not far behind you. I can feel the bones creaking

    But, I can seriously recommend travel for keeping the mind alert. This isn’t a “you only go to Bruges” wind up. Its honest advice from another ageing gent
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,350

    viewcode said:

    How did the Israelis know which pagers were owned by Hezbollah? Did they detonate specific ones or just all in a given area? If the latter, were civilian owners of pagers affected?

    At this point not enough information to be sure.

    But sources inside Lebanon have been describing them as “Hezbollah pagers”. Which strongly suggests some kind of targeting.

    There is also some evidence that all the pagers are the same specific brand & model.

    From the later point, it is not much of a reach to wonder if Hezbollah did a bulk buy and handed them out. Which in turn suggests that the bulk buy was spotted and subverted.
    Not the least interesting aspect is the identification of the victims. Most will be H soldiers,for sure, but it is likely that one or two of them will be ....erm....a little surprisng.
    Anyone surprised at the revelation that the Iranian ambassador to Lebanon is a Hizbollah operative really knows nothing about the Middle East.

    It would have been very surprising indeed if he *wasn't*.
  • Leon said:

    I’m in the whistler gondola

    Our son was guest snowboarder there when he was a professional and his MIL has a holiday home there
  • kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    mercator said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    Their letting Vance out again.

    Should be a wild one...


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    3m
    So Trump is featured in a “Fighting Anti-Semitism” event with Miriam Adelson in D.C. on Thursday, September 19. Two days later, his running mate, JD Vance, is to appear in PA with Tucker Carlson, a leading promoter of Holocaust denial. Perhaps Trump should order Vance not to go?

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1836070727079878883

    Tucker Carlson is not a Holocaust denier, nor a “promotor of Holocaust denial”

    He’s a journalist who has interviewed people with all sorts of viewpoints, some of them rather fringe. That isn’t the same.
    Hosting a holocaust denier, Tucker Carlson said "Darryl Cooper may be the best and most honest popular historian in the United States. His latest project is the most forbidden of all: trying to understand World War Two.”
    https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-pushing-nazi-apologias-and-holocaust-denial-he-addressed-rnc-just
    Sounds like a bit of 'deniable' Holocaust denial there. These 'racists with table manners' usually build in some deniability.
    Just asking questions.

    BTW I came across dear old James Delingpole on substack the other day. Batshit doesn't begin to cover it. The Southport murders never happened (crisis actors and a subservient press), Edward Heath raped and murdered 5 year old boys on his yacht and if you think that sounds bad you should hear what Churchill got up to. Sadly Churchill was paying subscribers only. I thought I would spend the money elsewhere.
    Oh god. Delingpole. As so often I wonder about the 'mad' v 'bad' v 'sad' dynamic with these guys. Not that it really matters, I suppose. All you can assess is the output. The rest is a mystery, maybe even to them.
    I remember him in the 90s. He was quite an eloquent and interesting music journalist. Odd, the tangent his career subsequently took.
    Was he? Didn't know that.

    The dreaded two words "Tony Parsons" have come to mind.
    Delingpole is another example of a public figure going down the self radicalising spiral/plug hole.
    Yes. Seems amiable and far from thick yet the output is stupid and nasty. So whatever is causing that has questions to answer.
    This is probably the cut-out-and-keep Delingpole proclamation:

    If he [Boris] puts people like Jacob Rees Mogg, Liz Truss, Priti Patel, Steve Baker, and other small government, free market ideologues in charge of things then we can look forward to a golden era of prosperity and liberty.

    Perhaps all that happened thereafter seriously messed with his head.
  • mercatormercator Posts: 815
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    How did the Israelis know which pagers were owned by Hezbollah? Did they detonate specific ones or just all in a given area? If the latter, were civilian owners of pagers affected?

    They are special supposed secure pagers only given to Hezbollah operatives.
    Which is quite plausible, given that regular people don't use pagers any more.
    It's a real oddity of Die Hard 2 (1990) that Holly is on a commercial flight from which passengers can make phone calls but she has to ring her husband's pager and he then rings her back from a payphone. A setup which was science fiction in my youth, and is paleology now.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,055
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    How did the Israelis know which pagers were owned by Hezbollah? Did they detonate specific ones or just all in a given area? If the latter, were civilian owners of pagers affected?

    They are special supposed secure pagers only given to Hezbollah operatives.
    Which is quite plausible, given that regular people don't use pagers any more.
    The Gaza Strip is currently rubble leavened by explosions. The behaviour pattern of "regular people" probably does not apply.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,635
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    viewcode said:

    How did the Israelis know which pagers were owned by Hezbollah? Did they detonate specific ones or just all in a given area? If the latter, were civilian owners of pagers affected?

    They seem to have infiltrated the supply chain of Hezbollah, if the suppositions are correct. Which is pretty genius, supply Hezbollah 'enhanced' pagers and let Hezbollah distribute them for you.

    How many non-terrorists still use pagers in this day and age? Do civilian owners of pagers still even exist?
    Hospital workers do. Therein lies the risk.
    Zero reports of medical staff being hurt or killed so far. That doesn’t mean there won’t be. But none to date

    Lebanese officials are admitting these pagers were specifically owned by Hezbollah fighters

    It does look like a bullseye
    Yes, I'm not suggesting any have ended up in hospitals. But that will have been the biggest issue for Mossad (?) to resolve before going ahead with it.

    (Over 100,000 still in use in the NHS. My partner has one...)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,576
    In a crowded field, Ed Miliband is probably the most embarrassing minister in the present government.

    https://x.com/ed_miliband/status/1836104858421940732
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228

    Leon said:

    I’m in the whistler gondola

    Our son was guest snowboarder there when he was a professional and his MIL has a holiday home there
    It’s a pleasant little skiing town with some nice restaurants. I’m not over excited by it. There are loads of young Brits and Aussies here - met some last night

    The surrounding landscapes are, however, magnificent
  • mercatormercator Posts: 815

    In a crowded field, Ed Miliband is probably the most embarrassing minister in the present government.

    https://x.com/ed_miliband/status/1836104858421940732

    I hear you but I vehemently disagree. I'm Lammy Till I Die. Just as sure as Henry VIII was succeeded by Henry VII.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,811

    In a crowded field, Ed Miliband is probably the most embarrassing minister in the present government.

    https://x.com/ed_miliband/status/1836104858421940732

    The cringe has always been strong with Ed.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited September 17
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    How did the Israelis know which pagers were owned by Hezbollah? Did they detonate specific ones or just all in a given area? If the latter, were civilian owners of pagers affected?

    They are special supposed secure pagers only given to Hezbollah operatives.
    Which is quite plausible, given that regular people don't use pagers any more.
    Not just that, the whole reason they went to them was because Israel was spying on their cellphones. People carrying these secure pagers aren't random members of the public.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,191
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    mercator said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    Their letting Vance out again.

    Should be a wild one...


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    3m
    So Trump is featured in a “Fighting Anti-Semitism” event with Miriam Adelson in D.C. on Thursday, September 19. Two days later, his running mate, JD Vance, is to appear in PA with Tucker Carlson, a leading promoter of Holocaust denial. Perhaps Trump should order Vance not to go?

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1836070727079878883

    Tucker Carlson is not a Holocaust denier, nor a “promotor of Holocaust denial”

    He’s a journalist who has interviewed people with all sorts of viewpoints, some of them rather fringe. That isn’t the same.
    Hosting a holocaust denier, Tucker Carlson said "Darryl Cooper may be the best and most honest popular historian in the United States. His latest project is the most forbidden of all: trying to understand World War Two.”
    https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-pushing-nazi-apologias-and-holocaust-denial-he-addressed-rnc-just
    Sounds like a bit of 'deniable' Holocaust denial there. These 'racists with table manners' usually build in some deniability.
    Just asking questions.

    BTW I came across dear old James Delingpole on substack the other day. Batshit doesn't begin to cover it. The Southport murders never happened (crisis actors and a subservient press), Edward Heath raped and murdered 5 year old boys on his yacht and if you think that sounds bad you should hear what Churchill got up to. Sadly Churchill was paying subscribers only. I thought I would spend the money elsewhere.
    Oh god. Delingpole. As so often I wonder about the 'mad' v 'bad' v 'sad' dynamic with these guys. Not that it really matters, I suppose. All you can assess is the output. The rest is a mystery, maybe even to them.
    I remember him in the 90s. He was quite an eloquent and interesting music journalist. Odd, the tangent his career subsequently took.
    Was he? Didn't know that.

    The dreaded two words "Tony Parsons" have come to mind.
    Delingpole is another example of a public figure going down the self radicalising spiral/plug hole.
    Yes. Seems amiable and far from thick yet the output is stupid and nasty. So whatever is causing that has questions to answer.
    Social media, these days.

    It was a noted phenomenon in Northern Ireland, before SM. Someone would start drinking in a pub. End up drinking with some er… enthusiastic people. Who would, in turn introduce them to another pub, down the road. And so on…. The end would be drinking with the actual Men of Violence.
    Well I'd rather Delingpole did substack than that. So perhaps we're moving forwards after all.
    Substack isn’t the problem - Twatter, Telegram , Farcebook etc are the gateways to the radicalisation. It is *decades* since Farcebook noticed that its algorithms pushed “similar but more extreme” content to users. Automating the radicalisation.

    Substack is just about publishing stuff yourself and getting paid.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited September 17
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in the whistler gondola

    Our son was guest snowboarder there when he was a professional and his MIL has a holiday home there
    It’s a pleasant little skiing town with some nice restaurants. I’m not over excited by it. There are loads of young Brits and Aussies here - met some last night

    The surrounding landscapes are, however, magnificent
    Always find Whistler slightly overrated if you aren't a big skier / mountain biker. BC is full of beautiful scenery so lots of places to go without having to remortgage your house for a meal.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,880
    viewcode said:

    How did the Israelis know which pagers were owned by Hezbollah? Did they detonate specific ones or just all in a given area? If the latter, were civilian owners of pagers affected?


    ......and would they care?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,350
    mercator said:

    In a crowded field, Ed Miliband is probably the most embarrassing minister in the present government.

    https://x.com/ed_miliband/status/1836104858421940732

    I hear you but I vehemently disagree. I'm Lammy Till I Die. Just as sure as Henry VIII was succeeded by Henry VII.
    Errrr...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    Omg the whistler peak-to-peak gondola is really quite something. Fffffuck
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,043

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    mercator said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    Their letting Vance out again.

    Should be a wild one...


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    3m
    So Trump is featured in a “Fighting Anti-Semitism” event with Miriam Adelson in D.C. on Thursday, September 19. Two days later, his running mate, JD Vance, is to appear in PA with Tucker Carlson, a leading promoter of Holocaust denial. Perhaps Trump should order Vance not to go?

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1836070727079878883

    Tucker Carlson is not a Holocaust denier, nor a “promotor of Holocaust denial”

    He’s a journalist who has interviewed people with all sorts of viewpoints, some of them rather fringe. That isn’t the same.
    Hosting a holocaust denier, Tucker Carlson said "Darryl Cooper may be the best and most honest popular historian in the United States. His latest project is the most forbidden of all: trying to understand World War Two.”
    https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-pushing-nazi-apologias-and-holocaust-denial-he-addressed-rnc-just
    Sounds like a bit of 'deniable' Holocaust denial there. These 'racists with table manners' usually build in some deniability.
    Just asking questions.

    BTW I came across dear old James Delingpole on substack the other day. Batshit doesn't begin to cover it. The Southport murders never happened (crisis actors and a subservient press), Edward Heath raped and murdered 5 year old boys on his yacht and if you think that sounds bad you should hear what Churchill got up to. Sadly Churchill was paying subscribers only. I thought I would spend the money elsewhere.
    Oh god. Delingpole. As so often I wonder about the 'mad' v 'bad' v 'sad' dynamic with these guys. Not that it really matters, I suppose. All you can assess is the output. The rest is a mystery, maybe even to them.
    I remember him in the 90s. He was quite an eloquent and interesting music journalist. Odd, the tangent his career subsequently took.
    Was he? Didn't know that.

    The dreaded two words "Tony Parsons" have come to mind.
    Delingpole is another example of a public figure going down the self radicalising spiral/plug hole.
    Yes. Seems amiable and far from thick yet the output is stupid and nasty. So whatever is causing that has questions to answer.
    Social media, these days.

    It was a noted phenomenon in Northern Ireland, before SM. Someone would start drinking in a pub. End up drinking with some er… enthusiastic people. Who would, in turn introduce them to another pub, down the road. And so on…. The end would be drinking with the actual Men of Violence.
    Well I'd rather Delingpole did substack than that. So perhaps we're moving forwards after all.
    Substack isn’t the problem - Twatter, Telegram , Farcebook etc are the gateways to the radicalisation. It is *decades* since Farcebook noticed that its algorithms pushed “similar but more extreme” content to users. Automating the radicalisation.

    Substack is just about publishing stuff yourself and getting paid.
    And some of the people publishing stuff themselves are Nazis: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/substack-extremism-nazi-white-supremacy-newsletters/676156/
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    Properly world class experience, this
  • Leon said:

    Properly world class experience, this

    Given all the amount of travel Flint Knappers Monthly get you on I am surprised you haven't done Whistler before.
  • mercatormercator Posts: 815
    ydoethur said:

    mercator said:

    In a crowded field, Ed Miliband is probably the most embarrassing minister in the present government.

    https://x.com/ed_miliband/status/1836104858421940732

    I hear you but I vehemently disagree. I'm Lammy Till I Die. Just as sure as Henry VIII was succeeded by Henry VII.
    Errrr...
    Errr...

    You are obviously not a Lammy specialist.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,191

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    mercator said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    Their letting Vance out again.

    Should be a wild one...


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    3m
    So Trump is featured in a “Fighting Anti-Semitism” event with Miriam Adelson in D.C. on Thursday, September 19. Two days later, his running mate, JD Vance, is to appear in PA with Tucker Carlson, a leading promoter of Holocaust denial. Perhaps Trump should order Vance not to go?

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1836070727079878883

    Tucker Carlson is not a Holocaust denier, nor a “promotor of Holocaust denial”

    He’s a journalist who has interviewed people with all sorts of viewpoints, some of them rather fringe. That isn’t the same.
    Hosting a holocaust denier, Tucker Carlson said "Darryl Cooper may be the best and most honest popular historian in the United States. His latest project is the most forbidden of all: trying to understand World War Two.”
    https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-pushing-nazi-apologias-and-holocaust-denial-he-addressed-rnc-just
    Sounds like a bit of 'deniable' Holocaust denial there. These 'racists with table manners' usually build in some deniability.
    Just asking questions.

    BTW I came across dear old James Delingpole on substack the other day. Batshit doesn't begin to cover it. The Southport murders never happened (crisis actors and a subservient press), Edward Heath raped and murdered 5 year old boys on his yacht and if you think that sounds bad you should hear what Churchill got up to. Sadly Churchill was paying subscribers only. I thought I would spend the money elsewhere.
    Oh god. Delingpole. As so often I wonder about the 'mad' v 'bad' v 'sad' dynamic with these guys. Not that it really matters, I suppose. All you can assess is the output. The rest is a mystery, maybe even to them.
    I remember him in the 90s. He was quite an eloquent and interesting music journalist. Odd, the tangent his career subsequently took.
    Was he? Didn't know that.

    The dreaded two words "Tony Parsons" have come to mind.
    Delingpole is another example of a public figure going down the self radicalising spiral/plug hole.
    Yes. Seems amiable and far from thick yet the output is stupid and nasty. So whatever is causing that has questions to answer.
    Social media, these days.

    It was a noted phenomenon in Northern Ireland, before SM. Someone would start drinking in a pub. End up drinking with some er… enthusiastic people. Who would, in turn introduce them to another pub, down the road. And so on…. The end would be drinking with the actual Men of Violence.
    Well I'd rather Delingpole did substack than that. So perhaps we're moving forwards after all.
    Substack isn’t the problem - Twatter, Telegram , Farcebook etc are the gateways to the radicalisation. It is *decades* since Farcebook noticed that its algorithms pushed “similar but more extreme” content to users. Automating the radicalisation.

    Substack is just about publishing stuff yourself and getting paid.
    And some of the people publishing stuff themselves are Nazis: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/substack-extremism-nazi-white-supremacy-newsletters/676156/
    If you run a self publishing platform and don’t actively police it, you get lots of extremists. Substack don’t actively police it (much) and get the extremists.
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,543
    If the Israelis were able to heat up the battery to set off the explosive in the pager, what else were they able to get the software to do? Read all the messages?
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,937
    Leon said:

    Omg the whistler peak-to-peak gondola is really quite something. Fffffuck

    I assume this is a euphemism, I'm just not sure what for.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    If anyone wants to go. Worth the detour


    https://www.whistlerblackcomb.com/explore-the-resort/activities-and-events/summer-activities/summer-alpine-experience/peak-2-peak-gondola.aspx

    I nearly skipped this thinking - whatever, just a ski lift, I want a beer in Vancouver before I go home. But I wearily dragged my exhausted arse here

    And it’s phenomenal
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    kinabalu said:

    darkage said:

    Cookie said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    The Dosh for Frocks scandal is bewilderingly crass

    What made them think: Oh, this will be fine, yes we attacked Boris for wallpaper but who cares

    Basically they wanted to cream the system from Day 1. They were just waiting for THEIR turn to be venal greedy fucks

    I think it’s more that they truly believe their own piety. They see themselves as pure and good, unlike the evil Tories so as they are pure and good anything they do is not bad.

    We are getting bought clothes for good reasons because we don’t do bad things, Boris was getting wallpaper because he was an awful person so that’s a bad thing.

    Today on the news Labour ministers are apparently calling for Simon Case to move forward his resignation because of leaks from number ten. Bad leaks against good Labour. They didn’t however call for him to resign over leaks when the Tories were in number ten - good leaks. And so on.
    That's it exactly. "But we're the good guys."
    It is like the approach to social unrest and disorder. It is ok - if it is in pursuit of 'progress'.
    But the 'cause' is relevant surely?

    Eg I'd be less condemnatory (word?) of rioting against female oppression in Iran than against a ban on outdoor smoking.

    (silly example but just to illustrate)
    A lot of social change has historically been achieved through unrest and disorder, which makes the left sympathetic to it. But in an advanced democracy where there is free speech, it shouldn't be tolerated.
  • Eabhal said:

    viewcode said:

    How did the Israelis know which pagers were owned by Hezbollah? Did they detonate specific ones or just all in a given area? If the latter, were civilian owners of pagers affected?

    They seem to have infiltrated the supply chain of Hezbollah, if the suppositions are correct. Which is pretty genius, supply Hezbollah 'enhanced' pagers and let Hezbollah distribute them for you.

    How many non-terrorists still use pagers in this day and age? Do civilian owners of pagers still even exist?
    Hospital workers do. Therein lies the risk.
    Probably not Hezbollah-issued ones though.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,766
    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    mercator said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    Their letting Vance out again.

    Should be a wild one...


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    3m
    So Trump is featured in a “Fighting Anti-Semitism” event with Miriam Adelson in D.C. on Thursday, September 19. Two days later, his running mate, JD Vance, is to appear in PA with Tucker Carlson, a leading promoter of Holocaust denial. Perhaps Trump should order Vance not to go?

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1836070727079878883

    Tucker Carlson is not a Holocaust denier, nor a “promotor of Holocaust denial”

    He’s a journalist who has interviewed people with all sorts of viewpoints, some of them rather fringe. That isn’t the same.
    Hosting a holocaust denier, Tucker Carlson said "Darryl Cooper may be the best and most honest popular historian in the United States. His latest project is the most forbidden of all: trying to understand World War Two.”
    https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-pushing-nazi-apologias-and-holocaust-denial-he-addressed-rnc-just
    Sounds like a bit of 'deniable' Holocaust denial there. These 'racists with table manners' usually build in some deniability.
    Just asking questions.

    BTW I came across dear old James Delingpole on substack the other day. Batshit doesn't begin to cover it. The Southport murders never happened (crisis actors and a subservient press), Edward Heath raped and murdered 5 year old boys on his yacht and if you think that sounds bad you should hear what Churchill got up to. Sadly Churchill was paying subscribers only. I thought I would spend the money elsewhere.
    Oh god. Delingpole. As so often I wonder about the 'mad' v 'bad' v 'sad' dynamic with these guys. Not that it really matters, I suppose. All you can assess is the output. The rest is a mystery, maybe even to them.
    I remember him in the 90s. He was quite an eloquent and interesting music journalist. Odd, the tangent his career subsequently took.
    Was he? Didn't know that.

    The dreaded two words "Tony Parsons" have come to mind.
    Yes - in the dead period of the late 90s, when Craig Cash was no longer broadcasting on Stockport local radio and Radio 6 had yet to get started, and due to the not-desperately-welcome onset of adulthood I was no longer living with - or even spending much time with - people with the same taste in music, and when the internet was still too young to be any help, and indie music was, frankly, dying on its arse, James Delingpole's ramblings were both valuable and entertaining, amd introduced me to numerous obscure but cherishable bands that went nowhere. Dawn of the Replicants, for example.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited September 17

    If the Israelis were able to heat up the battery to set off the explosive in the pager, what else were they able to get the software to do? Read all the messages?

    I wouldn't seem crazy to think they haven't repeated the FBI Anom playbook, where they inserted god mode into the secure messaging system. The question then would be why blow them up now, rather than keep using your god mode to see everything that is going on.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Omg the whistler peak-to-peak gondola is really quite something. Fffffuck

    I assume this is a euphemism, I'm just not sure what for.
    It’s a genuinely stupendous cable-car system that swings and whoops and tarzans its way through the Whistler mountains, like some kind of giant elongated lemur of steel with no legs ok that doesn’t work. Hard to describe. Brilliant. Bit scary
  • Currently having an argument with ChatGPT o1, its more stubborn (and wrong) than Kevin the teenager.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,409
    mercator said:

    kinabalu said:

    mercator said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    Their letting Vance out again.

    Should be a wild one...


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    3m
    So Trump is featured in a “Fighting Anti-Semitism” event with Miriam Adelson in D.C. on Thursday, September 19. Two days later, his running mate, JD Vance, is to appear in PA with Tucker Carlson, a leading promoter of Holocaust denial. Perhaps Trump should order Vance not to go?

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1836070727079878883

    Tucker Carlson is not a Holocaust denier, nor a “promotor of Holocaust denial”

    He’s a journalist who has interviewed people with all sorts of viewpoints, some of them rather fringe. That isn’t the same.
    Hosting a holocaust denier, Tucker Carlson said "Darryl Cooper may be the best and most honest popular historian in the United States. His latest project is the most forbidden of all: trying to understand World War Two.”
    https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-pushing-nazi-apologias-and-holocaust-denial-he-addressed-rnc-just
    Sounds like a bit of 'deniable' Holocaust denial there. These 'racists with table manners' usually build in some deniability.
    Just asking questions.

    BTW I came across dear old James Delingpole on substack the other day. Batshit doesn't begin to cover it. The Southport murders never happened (crisis actors and a subservient press), Edward Heath raped and murdered 5 year old boys on his yacht and if you think that sounds bad you should hear what Churchill got up to. Sadly Churchill was paying subscribers only. I thought I would spend the money elsewhere.
    Oh god. Delingpole. As so often I wonder about the 'mad' v 'bad' v 'sad' dynamic with these guys. Not that it really matters, I suppose. All you can assess is the output. The rest is a mystery, maybe even to them.
    I was just amazed at how much more mad he is capable of being when outwith the control of an editor.
    The Heath story is a fairly persistent one. There was an interview with someone who had once been in intelligence outright alleging it on Youtube for many years, though I'm not sure it will be there any more and I can't remember the chap's name.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ydoethur said:

    mercator said:

    In a crowded field, Ed Miliband is probably the most embarrassing minister in the present government.

    https://x.com/ed_miliband/status/1836104858421940732

    I hear you but I vehemently disagree. I'm Lammy Till I Die. Just as sure as Henry VIII was succeeded by Henry VII.
    Errrr...
    I'm sure that in the parallel universe that is post election politicalbetting.com , "just as Henry VIII was succeeded by Henry VII" makes perfect sense.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,766
    darkage said:

    kinabalu said:

    darkage said:

    Cookie said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    The Dosh for Frocks scandal is bewilderingly crass

    What made them think: Oh, this will be fine, yes we attacked Boris for wallpaper but who cares

    Basically they wanted to cream the system from Day 1. They were just waiting for THEIR turn to be venal greedy fucks

    I think it’s more that they truly believe their own piety. They see themselves as pure and good, unlike the evil Tories so as they are pure and good anything they do is not bad.

    We are getting bought clothes for good reasons because we don’t do bad things, Boris was getting wallpaper because he was an awful person so that’s a bad thing.

    Today on the news Labour ministers are apparently calling for Simon Case to move forward his resignation because of leaks from number ten. Bad leaks against good Labour. They didn’t however call for him to resign over leaks when the Tories were in number ten - good leaks. And so on.
    That's it exactly. "But we're the good guys."
    It is like the approach to social unrest and disorder. It is ok - if it is in pursuit of 'progress'.
    But the 'cause' is relevant surely?

    Eg I'd be less condemnatory (word?) of rioting against female oppression in Iran than against a ban on outdoor smoking.

    (silly example but just to illustrate)
    A lot of social change has historically been achieved through unrest and disorder, which makes the left sympathetic to it. But in an advanced democracy where there is free speech, it shouldn't be tolerated.
    Absolutely. If we don't condemn the riots whose causes we support, we enable the riots we disagree with.
    A democracy in which we can effect change in a non-violent manner is a wonder of history, imperfect though it is. We treat it too carelessly when we shrug at riots because we agree with their cause.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    edited September 17

    Leon said:

    Properly world class experience, this

    Given all the amount of travel Flint Knappers Monthly get you on I am surprised you haven't done Whistler before.
    Yes, so am I. Given how impressive BC has turned out to be

    But I’m slowly filling in the blanks

    Still gotta do: Central America, central/west Africa. Central Asia (the stans). Polynesia

    Then that will be it. The world. Done
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,937
    Leon said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Omg the whistler peak-to-peak gondola is really quite something. Fffffuck

    I assume this is a euphemism, I'm just not sure what for.
    It’s a genuinely stupendous cable-car system that swings and whoops and tarzans its way through the Whistler mountains, like some kind of giant elongated lemur of steel with no legs ok that doesn’t work. Hard to describe. Brilliant. Bit scary
    Ah. I was thinking of Whistler the painter, which gave it a certain Freudian tint. Had no idea there were Whistler mountains.

    Had a quick google image search. Looks equal parts terrifying and fun.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,055

    ydoethur said:

    mercator said:

    In a crowded field, Ed Miliband is probably the most embarrassing minister in the present government.

    https://x.com/ed_miliband/status/1836104858421940732

    I hear you but I vehemently disagree. I'm Lammy Till I Die. Just as sure as Henry VIII was succeeded by Henry VII.
    Errrr...
    I'm sure that in the parallel universe that is post election politicalbetting.com , "just as Henry VIII was succeeded by Henry VII" makes perfect sense.
    Mercator is referring to a mistake made by Lammy. It was Lammy who got the succession wrong.
  • mercatormercator Posts: 815

    ydoethur said:

    mercator said:

    In a crowded field, Ed Miliband is probably the most embarrassing minister in the present government.

    https://x.com/ed_miliband/status/1836104858421940732

    I hear you but I vehemently disagree. I'm Lammy Till I Die. Just as sure as Henry VIII was succeeded by Henry VII.
    Errrr...
    I'm sure that in the parallel universe that is post election politicalbetting.com , "just as Henry VIII was succeeded by Henry VII" makes perfect sense.
    Dearie me. Not going to do your research for you but google Lammy Mastermind. And then have a think about the fact that if you voted Labour, that's what you were voting for, plus some top of the range camisoles for Lady S. You must be very proud.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,766

    Leon said:

    I’m in the whistler gondola

    Our son was guest snowboarder there when he was a professional and his MIL has a holiday home there
    Your son was a professional snowboarder? From what I know of your family he is, what late 50s? He must have been a very early adopter of the sport.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,766
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Properly world class experience, this

    Given all the amount of travel Flint Knappers Monthly get you on I am surprised you haven't done Whistler before.
    Yes, so am I. Given how impressive BC has turned out to be

    But I’m slowly filling in the blanks

    Still gotta do: Central America, central/west Africa. Central Asia (the stans). Polynesia

    Then that will be it. The world. Done
    Also the North of England.
  • eek said:

    @TSE oh dear...

    You were saying? 🔴🔴🔴
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,766
    Leon said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Omg the whistler peak-to-peak gondola is really quite something. Fffffuck

    I assume this is a euphemism, I'm just not sure what for.
    It’s a genuinely stupendous cable-car system that swings and whoops and tarzans its way through the Whistler mountains, like some kind of giant elongated lemur of steel with no legs ok that doesn’t work. Hard to describe. Brilliant. Bit scary
    Good effort, mind. Perhaps 'gibbon' might work better? For the brachiation, but also for the fun of the word 'gibbon'.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,720
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    mercator said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    Their letting Vance out again.

    Should be a wild one...


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    3m
    So Trump is featured in a “Fighting Anti-Semitism” event with Miriam Adelson in D.C. on Thursday, September 19. Two days later, his running mate, JD Vance, is to appear in PA with Tucker Carlson, a leading promoter of Holocaust denial. Perhaps Trump should order Vance not to go?

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1836070727079878883

    Tucker Carlson is not a Holocaust denier, nor a “promotor of Holocaust denial”

    He’s a journalist who has interviewed people with all sorts of viewpoints, some of them rather fringe. That isn’t the same.
    Hosting a holocaust denier, Tucker Carlson said "Darryl Cooper may be the best and most honest popular historian in the United States. His latest project is the most forbidden of all: trying to understand World War Two.”
    https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-pushing-nazi-apologias-and-holocaust-denial-he-addressed-rnc-just
    Sounds like a bit of 'deniable' Holocaust denial there. These 'racists with table manners' usually build in some deniability.
    Just asking questions.

    BTW I came across dear old James Delingpole on substack the other day. Batshit doesn't begin to cover it. The Southport murders never happened (crisis actors and a subservient press), Edward Heath raped and murdered 5 year old boys on his yacht and if you think that sounds bad you should hear what Churchill got up to. Sadly Churchill was paying subscribers only. I thought I would spend the money elsewhere.
    Oh god. Delingpole. As so often I wonder about the 'mad' v 'bad' v 'sad' dynamic with these guys. Not that it really matters, I suppose. All you can assess is the output. The rest is a mystery, maybe even to them.
    I remember him in the 90s. He was quite an eloquent and interesting music journalist. Odd, the tangent his career subsequently took.
    Yeah, I used to follow him with interest in late teens, bought a few albums on the strength of his reccommendations and was rarely disappointed.

    I remember having a bit of a shock a few years later when the Beeb wheeled him out as their 'balance' climate change sceptic. He's only gone further down the rabbit hole since then.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    edited September 17
    WHOREY MARMOTS
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 142
    I still don't see the appeal of Jenrick.

    In the cardfile of Tory leadership candidates in my mind, he's very much in the lower-middle part of the deck, rubbing inauspicious shoulders with the likes of Peter Lilley and Andrea Leadsom. Possibly slightly ahead of Rehman Chishti, but it's a close call.

    I suppose he has managed to hold on to a seat that was lost in 1997.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Omg the whistler peak-to-peak gondola is really quite something. Fffffuck

    I assume this is a euphemism, I'm just not sure what for.
    It’s a genuinely stupendous cable-car system that swings and whoops and tarzans its way through the Whistler mountains, like some kind of giant elongated lemur of steel with no legs ok that doesn’t work. Hard to describe. Brilliant. Bit scary
    Good effort, mind. Perhaps 'gibbon' might work better? For the brachiation, but also for the fun of the word 'gibbon'.
    Ooh yes. That’s better. Gibbon!
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,211
    Leon said:

    If anyone wants to go. Worth the detour


    https://www.whistlerblackcomb.com/explore-the-resort/activities-and-events/summer-activities/summer-alpine-experience/peak-2-peak-gondola.aspx

    I nearly skipped this thinking - whatever, just a ski lift, I want a beer in Vancouver before I go home. But I wearily dragged my exhausted arse here

    And it’s phenomenal

    Done it. Glass bottom if I remember correctly? A great ski resort if you get the conditions (snow can be wet).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,687
    KnightOut said:

    I still don't see the appeal of Jenrick.

    In the cardfile of Tory leadership candidates in my mind, he's very much in the lower-middle part of the deck, rubbing inauspicious shoulders with the likes of Peter Lilley and Andrea Leadsom. Possibly slightly ahead of Rehman Chishti, but it's a close call.

    I suppose he has managed to hold on to a seat that was lost in 1997.

    It is madness. I cannot fathom what they think he will achieve or bring to the table as Opposition leader and rebuilder of a shattered party.

    The fact that he is no 1 on BF shows how far they still have to travel.

    He will be gone within three years.

    But maybe it wont happen and enough of MPs will block him going to the final two against anyone other than Badernoch.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,211
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Properly world class experience, this

    Given all the amount of travel Flint Knappers Monthly get you on I am surprised you haven't done Whistler before.
    Yes, so am I. Given how impressive BC has turned out to be

    But I’m slowly filling in the blanks

    Still gotta do: Central America, central/west Africa. Central Asia (the stans). Polynesia

    Then that will be it. The world. Done
    I'm just back from the jungles of Panama looking for sloths. Let me know if you want any recommendations on Panama City or Bocas Del Toro.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,687
    Leon said:

    WHOREY MARMOTS

    One of the most underrated 70s prog rock bands.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Properly world class experience, this

    Given all the amount of travel Flint Knappers Monthly get you on I am surprised you haven't done Whistler before.
    Yes, so am I. Given how impressive BC has turned out to be

    But I’m slowly filling in the blanks

    Still gotta do: Central America, central/west Africa. Central Asia (the stans). Polynesia

    Then that will be it. The world. Done
    Also the North of England.
    For my shame I have not seen the Yorkshire Dales or the Lancashire moors. I’m not sure I’ve really seen the Pennines. Nor Giants Causeway. Nor Jura

    I’m saving them up for when I’m really old and all I can do is get in a fully self driving sedan chair
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited September 17
    Stocky said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Properly world class experience, this

    Given all the amount of travel Flint Knappers Monthly get you on I am surprised you haven't done Whistler before.
    Yes, so am I. Given how impressive BC has turned out to be

    But I’m slowly filling in the blanks

    Still gotta do: Central America, central/west Africa. Central Asia (the stans). Polynesia

    Then that will be it. The world. Done
    I'm just back from the jungles of Panama looking for sloths. Let me know if you want any recommendations on Panama City or Bocas Del Toro.
    I used to go to Panama regularly 15-20 years ago, it was a mad mad place back then e.g. The Bridge of the Americas every evening would get backed up with traffic, kids would walk the traffic selling everything from cold beers to fireworks out of garbage bags.....would could possibly go wrong being 5 beers deep in control of a motor vehicle and a load of unboxed fireworks on your back seat.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930
    Leon said:

    WHOREY MARMOTS

    Is that a Canadian epithet?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,766
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Properly world class experience, this

    Given all the amount of travel Flint Knappers Monthly get you on I am surprised you haven't done Whistler before.
    Yes, so am I. Given how impressive BC has turned out to be

    But I’m slowly filling in the blanks

    Still gotta do: Central America, central/west Africa. Central Asia (the stans). Polynesia

    Then that will be it. The world. Done
    Also the North of England.
    For my shame I have not seen the Yorkshire Dales or the Lancashire moors. I’m not sure I’ve really seen the Pennines. Nor Giants Causeway. Nor Jura

    I’m saving them up for when I’m really old and all I can do is get in a fully self driving sedan chair
    You should do a similar tour to the one you did in the Marches.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,687
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Properly world class experience, this

    Given all the amount of travel Flint Knappers Monthly get you on I am surprised you haven't done Whistler before.
    Yes, so am I. Given how impressive BC has turned out to be

    But I’m slowly filling in the blanks

    Still gotta do: Central America, central/west Africa. Central Asia (the stans). Polynesia

    Then that will be it. The world. Done
    You were in central america earlier this year? Alternating between jungles full of bird song and streets full of drug warlord junior staff.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Omg the whistler peak-to-peak gondola is really quite something. Fffffuck

    I assume this is a euphemism, I'm just not sure what for.
    It’s a genuinely stupendous cable-car system that swings and whoops and tarzans its way through the Whistler mountains, like some kind of giant elongated lemur of steel with no legs ok that doesn’t work. Hard to describe. Brilliant. Bit scary
    Good effort, mind. Perhaps 'gibbon' might work better? For the brachiation, but also for the fun of the word 'gibbon'.
    Ooh yes. That’s better. Gibbon!
    https://www.blueriversafari.com/

    Bears. Few hours from kamloops. One of the best things I’ve done.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228

    Leon said:

    WHOREY MARMOTS

    Is that a Canadian epithet?
    Ah wait. I’ve possibly misspelled it

    Yep. Hoary Marmots. As you were

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoary_marmot

    I’m going to continue to call them Whorey Marmots anyway, coz it’s funnier. Also this is a whole new mammal species. I still get a major buzz out of seeing a new mammal for the first time
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930
    KnightOut said:

    I still don't see the appeal of Jenrick.

    In the cardfile of Tory leadership candidates in my mind, he's very much in the lower-middle part of the deck, rubbing inauspicious shoulders with the likes of Peter Lilley and Andrea Leadsom. Possibly slightly ahead of Rehman Chishti, but it's a close call.

    I suppose he has managed to hold on to a seat that was lost in 1997.

    Bear in mind that the top half of the deck has been removed and thrown away by Brexit, Johnson and Truss.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,096
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    mercator said:

    kinabalu said:

    mercator said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Okay, looking at MSM videos of these exploding pagers, they were small bombs not battery fires.

    Wow, that’s a proper well done to Mossad, not that they’ll be admitting anything anytime soon.

    Au contraire, I imagine Mossad will be super keen to own this one. Because

    1. It is genuinely brilliant and daring and forensic - the opposite of the Gaza horrorshow. This is the old Israel we admire. The Israel of Entebbe and Stuxnet

    And

    2. It will terrify the shit out of everyone in Tehran and Hamas and Hezbollah. They now cannot trust any electronic equipment
    Yes it is extremely clever and will no doubt have taken out a number of Hezbollah operatives. But it also involves having a large number of bombs going off in a totally random way resulting in thousands of civilian casualties.

    For all the cleverness the criminal indifference to collateral damage and casualties seems all too analogous to Gaza.

    Israel is a country that has lost its soul.
    Sorry David but I completely disagree. Pagers are devices people carry on them by and large, if Hezbollah operatives pagers are blowing up then that is incredibly precisely targeted explosions that are affecting the person carrying the device, ie the operative.

    Infinitely smarter and better than lobbing missiles at the buildings with operatives in, which will inevitably carry more collateral damage.
    Quite so

    If only Israel had done something like this in gaza against Hamas

    Anyway. It is absurd to condemn Israel for indiscriminate bombing in Gaza but then also condemn her for ultra-discriminate bombing of Hezbollah fighters, individual by individual

    What is Israel meant to do? Ask the UN to come in and peacefully arrest Hezbollah members and then hold them in maybe the Savoy Hotel with full bed and board?

    1200 Israelis were killed October 7-8, many more kidnapped and tortured. Hezbollah have been loudly declaring their intent to do similar ASAP
    Slightly unusual for you to use "her" for a country. What's the brain chemistry there?
    This linguistic form is a little archaic/poetic now, but used to be rather more common. And Leon is not averse to a bit of florid prose.
    Well I hope Iran doesn't go off the deep end in response. She can be unpredictable.
    Especially at certain اوقات الشهر
    How on earth have you typed that last bit.
    Copy and paste from Google translate

    But I in theory know some classical Arabic and I am due to be travelling in Algeria and then Pakistan between now and Christmas and I don't mind not knowing the lingo, but I do object to being illiterate to the extent of not being able to read Algiers or Islamabad on a roadsign. So I am brushing up on the alphabet and I could, with difficulty, manage it with an Arabic keyboard.
    In which it is revealed that @kinabalu doesn’t know about “Google Translate”
    Only sussed "Maps" quite recently. I'm 64 and in managed decline.

    Emphasis on "managed" there if that's not too boastful.
    I’m not far behind you. I can feel the bones creaking

    But, I can seriously recommend travel for keeping the mind alert. This isn’t a “you only go to Bruges” wind up. Its honest advice from another ageing gent
    My mind's ok, thank you very much.

    Travel? Not so easy now, with the cat, but Tenerife again in Jan is a possible. Let's see.
  • Cookie said:

    Absolutely astonishing moonrise over the Pennines tonight. Heading west on the A555 into a pinkening sky, chatting to my daughter, I caught it in the rear view and uttered an involuntary "Whoah..."
    "What is it? Are you ok?"
    "You have to see this..."
    I came off at the next junction, turned around, and headed east - rounded a bend , and there it was, inching up over Kinder,
    implausibly bright and huge. Just huge.
    "Wow. Thanks for showing me that."

    She gamely tried to photograph it, but photographing the moon without a special lens never worksvery well. So I'm recording it here.

    You ain't seen nothing yet. There's going to be a partial eclipse in the wee small hours.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    I think the final two will be Jenrick and Tugendhat with Badenoch third. That could then be closer than expected with the membership though Jenrick would still probably win
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,766
    KnightOut said:

    I still don't see the appeal of Jenrick.

    In the cardfile of Tory leadership candidates in my mind, he's very much in the lower-middle part of the deck, rubbing inauspicious shoulders with the likes of Peter Lilley and Andrea Leadsom. Possibly slightly ahead of Rehman Chishti, but it's a close call.

    I suppose he has managed to hold on to a seat that was lost in 1997.

    I think you slightly underrate Lilley there. If he was available and 20 years younger, they could do worse.
    But other than that, yes exactly.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,280
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    mercator said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    Their letting Vance out again.

    Should be a wild one...


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    3m
    So Trump is featured in a “Fighting Anti-Semitism” event with Miriam Adelson in D.C. on Thursday, September 19. Two days later, his running mate, JD Vance, is to appear in PA with Tucker Carlson, a leading promoter of Holocaust denial. Perhaps Trump should order Vance not to go?

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1836070727079878883

    Tucker Carlson is not a Holocaust denier, nor a “promotor of Holocaust denial”

    He’s a journalist who has interviewed people with all sorts of viewpoints, some of them rather fringe. That isn’t the same.
    Hosting a holocaust denier, Tucker Carlson said "Darryl Cooper may be the best and most honest popular historian in the United States. His latest project is the most forbidden of all: trying to understand World War Two.”
    https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-pushing-nazi-apologias-and-holocaust-denial-he-addressed-rnc-just
    Sounds like a bit of 'deniable' Holocaust denial there. These 'racists with table manners' usually build in some deniability.
    Just asking questions.

    BTW I came across dear old James Delingpole on substack the other day. Batshit doesn't begin to cover it. The Southport murders never happened (crisis actors and a subservient press), Edward Heath raped and murdered 5 year old boys on his yacht and if you think that sounds bad you should hear what Churchill got up to. Sadly Churchill was paying subscribers only. I thought I would spend the money elsewhere.

    Oh god. Delingpole. As so often I wonder about the 'mad' v 'bad' v 'sad' dynamic with these guys. Not that it really matters, I suppose. All you can assess is the output. The rest is a mystery, maybe even to them.
    I remember him in the 90s. He was quite an eloquent and interesting music journalist. Odd, the tangent his career subsequently took.
    Was he? Didn't know that.

    The dreaded two words "Tony Parsons" have come to mind.
    Yes - in the dead period of the late 90s, when Craig Cash was no longer broadcasting on Stockport local radio and Radio 6 had yet to get started, and due to the not-desperately-welcome onset of adulthood I was no longer living with - or even spending much time with - people with the same taste in music, and when the internet was still too young to be any help, and indie music was, frankly, dying on its arse, James Delingpole's ramblings were both valuable and entertaining, amd introduced me to numerous obscure but cherishable bands that went nowhere. Dawn of the Replicants, for example.
    Ooh, Craig Cash on KFM. Yes, I was there for that for a period early doors in the baggy era. My first ever hearing of Creep (sorry) and improbable amounts of World of Twist and a few other bands whose names I long forget.

    And trying to chat up some fellow studenty lass in my summer factory job by feigning a greater shared appreciation of The Man From Delmonte than I actually had. TBF, any level of appreciation impressed her.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    Ooof. Get in

    THE WHOREY MARMOTS were once known as THE WHISTLE PIGS

    That’s TWO excellent names for a band in just one large squirreline montane-dwelling Canadian rodent

    “It is the largest North American ground squirrel and is often nicknamed "the whistler" for its high-pitched warning issued to alert other members of the colony to possible danger. The animals are sometimes called "whistle pigs". Whistler, British Columbia, originally London Mountain because of its heavy fogs and rain, was renamed after these animals to help make it more marketable as a resort.[3] The closest relatives of the species are the yellow-bellied, Olympic, and Vancouver Island marmots, although the exact relationships are unclear.[4][5]”
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    edited September 17
    THEY NAMED THE WHOLE TOWN AFTER THE WHISTLE PIGS AKA THE WHOREY MARMOTS
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    mercator said:

    kinabalu said:

    mercator said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Okay, looking at MSM videos of these exploding pagers, they were small bombs not battery fires.

    Wow, that’s a proper well done to Mossad, not that they’ll be admitting anything anytime soon.

    Au contraire, I imagine Mossad will be super keen to own this one. Because

    1. It is genuinely brilliant and daring and forensic - the opposite of the Gaza horrorshow. This is the old Israel we admire. The Israel of Entebbe and Stuxnet

    And

    2. It will terrify the shit out of everyone in Tehran and Hamas and Hezbollah. They now cannot trust any electronic equipment
    Yes it is extremely clever and will no doubt have taken out a number of Hezbollah operatives. But it also involves having a large number of bombs going off in a totally random way resulting in thousands of civilian casualties.

    For all the cleverness the criminal indifference to collateral damage and casualties seems all too analogous to Gaza.

    Israel is a country that has lost its soul.
    Sorry David but I completely disagree. Pagers are devices people carry on them by and large, if Hezbollah operatives pagers are blowing up then that is incredibly precisely targeted explosions that are affecting the person carrying the device, ie the operative.

    Infinitely smarter and better than lobbing missiles at the buildings with operatives in, which will inevitably carry more collateral damage.
    Quite so

    If only Israel had done something like this in gaza against Hamas

    Anyway. It is absurd to condemn Israel for indiscriminate bombing in Gaza but then also condemn her for ultra-discriminate bombing of Hezbollah fighters, individual by individual

    What is Israel meant to do? Ask the UN to come in and peacefully arrest Hezbollah members and then hold them in maybe the Savoy Hotel with full bed and board?

    1200 Israelis were killed October 7-8, many more kidnapped and tortured. Hezbollah have been loudly declaring their intent to do similar ASAP
    Slightly unusual for you to use "her" for a country. What's the brain chemistry there?
    This linguistic form is a little archaic/poetic now, but used to be rather more common. And Leon is not averse to a bit of florid prose.
    Well I hope Iran doesn't go off the deep end in response. She can be unpredictable.
    Especially at certain اوقات الشهر
    How on earth have you typed that last bit.
    Copy and paste from Google translate

    But I in theory know some classical Arabic and I am due to be travelling in Algeria and then Pakistan between now and Christmas and I don't mind not knowing the lingo, but I do object to being illiterate to the extent of not being able to read Algiers or Islamabad on a roadsign. So I am brushing up on the alphabet and I could, with difficulty, manage it with an Arabic keyboard.
    In which it is revealed that @kinabalu doesn’t know about “Google Translate”
    Only sussed "Maps" quite recently. I'm 64 and in managed decline.

    Emphasis on "managed" there if that's not too boastful.
    I’m not far behind you. I can feel the bones creaking

    But, I can seriously recommend travel for keeping the mind alert. This isn’t a “you only go to Bruges” wind up. Its honest advice from another ageing gent
    My mind's ok, thank you very much.

    Travel? Not so easy now, with the cat, but Tenerife again in Jan is a possible. Let's see.
    Got a couple of friends coming over from Port au Prince later this month. Can sort cat problem. DM me
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,211
    Also Leon, have you been to Victoria Falls? If not I have a recommendation for there plus an awesome safari the other side of the Kariba Dam.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited September 17
    That would imply a “supply chain attack” in which the perpetrators – and although they are not commenting, that almost certainly means the Israeli security services – had physical access to the devices to embed the explosive.

    The impacted devices appeared to have included “rugged” pagers developed by the Taiwanese company Gold Apollo, according to reporters at Bellingcat.

    Security sources told Reuters that the devices had been procured in recent months.

    Intriguingly, the attack came hours after Israel’s domestic security agency said that it had foiled a similar – though much smaller-scale – plot by Hezbollah.

    Shin Bet said in a statement it had seized an explosive device attached to a remote detonation system, using a mobile phone and a camera that Hezbollah had planned to use to kill a former Israeli military official in Tel Aviv.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    edited September 17

    KnightOut said:

    I still don't see the appeal of Jenrick.

    In the cardfile of Tory leadership candidates in my mind, he's very much in the lower-middle part of the deck, rubbing inauspicious shoulders with the likes of Peter Lilley and Andrea Leadsom. Possibly slightly ahead of Rehman Chishti, but it's a close call.

    I suppose he has managed to hold on to a seat that was lost in 1997.

    It is madness. I cannot fathom what they think he will achieve or bring to the table as Opposition leader and rebuilder of a shattered party.

    The fact that he is no 1 on BF shows how far they still have to travel.

    He will be gone within three years.

    But maybe it wont happen and enough of MPs will block him going to the final two against anyone other than Badernoch.
    Starmer is already leading an unpopular government, this is not New Labour 1997 so even Jenrick will have more chance than Hague did against Blair.

    Though my personal
    preference is Tugendhat who looks most like a PM of the final four and can appeal most to Tory voters lost to Labour and the LDs
  • Cookie said:

    Absolutely astonishing moonrise over the Pennines tonight. Heading west on the A555 into a pinkening sky, chatting to my daughter, I caught it in the rear view and uttered an involuntary "Whoah..."
    "What is it? Are you ok?"
    "You have to see this..."
    I came off at the next junction, turned around, and headed east - rounded a bend , and there it was, inching up over Kinder,
    implausibly bright and huge. Just huge.
    "Wow. Thanks for showing me that."

    She gamely tried to photograph it, but photographing the moon without a special lens never worksvery well. So I'm recording it here.

    I had a similar experience last night. Was driving to a local Starbucks and as I pulled into the car park got an incredible view of the moon which was huge and I let out an involuntary noise like that which made my wife ask what it was, so we walked around the building to get a good view and when she saw it she was very impressed too.

    Then we went inside, ordered our coffees and as we finished the cashier glancing out the window said to look at the moon too which is not what you expect to hear when you're ordering a coffee lol!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    Stocky said:

    Also Leon, have you been to Victoria Falls? If not I have a recommendation for there plus an awesome safari the other side of the Kariba Dam.

    Mate, have I been to the victoria falls? Yeah. I’ve been to the victoria falls. I’ve done it on foot and in a chopper

    I’ve also been to a river island right on the edge which is so dangerous it is estimated only a few dozen people have ever made it there. I had an absolutely insane zimbo guide
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,211
    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    Also Leon, have you been to Victoria Falls? If not I have a recommendation for there plus an awesome safari the other side of the Kariba Dam.

    Mate, have I been to the victoria falls? Yeah. I’ve been to the victoria falls. I’ve done it on foot and in a chopper

    I’ve also been to a river island right on the edge which is so dangerous it is estimated only a few dozen people have ever made it there. I had an absolutely insane zimbo guide
    Is that the pool on the edge - like nature's jacuzzi?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    Stocky said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    Also Leon, have you been to Victoria Falls? If not I have a recommendation for there plus an awesome safari the other side of the Kariba Dam.

    Mate, have I been to the victoria falls? Yeah. I’ve been to the victoria falls. I’ve done it on foot and in a chopper

    I’ve also been to a river island right on the edge which is so dangerous it is estimated only a few dozen people have ever made it there. I had an absolutely insane zimbo guide
    Is that the pool on the edge - like nature's jacuzzi?
    No. I’ve done that. The devils pool?

    This is even crazier and much scarier

    I wish I could show you but I’ve used my photo allocation
  • mercatormercator Posts: 815
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Properly world class experience, this

    Given all the amount of travel Flint Knappers Monthly get you on I am surprised you haven't done Whistler before.
    Yes, so am I. Given how impressive BC has turned out to be

    But I’m slowly filling in the blanks

    Still gotta do: Central America, central/west Africa. Central Asia (the stans). Polynesia

    Then that will be it. The world. Done
    OK this is important

    Polynesia meaning Tahiti and Bora Bora is middle market US honeymoon country. Seriously dull (except scuba and skydiving are ok). You need to get out to places like the Marquesas and Pitcairn. This was basically impossible except by yacht until the company which goes around supplying the local Spar type supermarkets realized there was money in branching out into cruises

    https://www.aranui.com/en/sailing-schedule
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,766
    Pro_Rata said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    mercator said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    Their letting Vance out again.

    Should be a wild one...


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    3m
    So Trump is featured in a “Fighting Anti-Semitism” event with Miriam Adelson in D.C. on Thursday, September 19. Two days later, his running mate, JD Vance, is to appear in PA with Tucker Carlson, a leading promoter of Holocaust denial. Perhaps Trump should order Vance not to go?

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1836070727079878883

    Tucker Carlson is not a Holocaust denier, nor a “promotor of Holocaust denial”

    He’s a journalist who has interviewed people with all sorts of viewpoints, some of them rather fringe. That isn’t the same.
    Hosting a holocaust denier, Tucker Carlson said "Darryl Cooper may be the best and most honest popular historian in the United States. His latest project is the most forbidden of all: trying to understand World War Two.”
    https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-pushing-nazi-apologias-and-holocaust-denial-he-addressed-rnc-just
    Sounds like a bit of 'deniable' Holocaust denial there. These 'racists with table manners' usually build in some deniability.
    Just asking questions.

    BTW I came across dear old James Delingpole on substack the other day. Batshit doesn't begin to cover it. The Southport murders never happened (crisis actors and a subservient press), Edward Heath raped and murdered 5 year old boys on his yacht and if you think that sounds bad you should hear what Churchill got up to. Sadly Churchill was paying subscribers only. I thought I would spend the money elsewhere.

    Oh god. Delingpole. As so often I wonder about the 'mad' v 'bad' v 'sad' dynamic with these guys. Not that it really matters, I suppose. All you can assess is the output. The rest is a mystery, maybe even to them.
    I remember him in the 90s. He was quite an eloquent and interesting music journalist. Odd, the tangent his career subsequently took.
    Was he? Didn't know that.

    The dreaded two words "Tony Parsons" have come to mind.
    Yes - in the dead period of the late 90s, when Craig Cash was no longer broadcasting on Stockport local radio and Radio 6 had yet to get started, and due to the not-desperately-welcome onset of adulthood I was no longer living with - or even spending much time with - people with the same taste in music, and when the internet was still too young to be any help, and indie music was, frankly, dying on its arse, James Delingpole's ramblings were both valuable and entertaining, amd introduced me to numerous obscure but cherishable bands that went nowhere. Dawn of the Replicants, for example.
    Ooh, Craig Cash on KFM. Yes, I was there for that for a period early doors in the baggy era. My first ever hearing of Creep (sorry) and improbable amounts of World of Twist and a few other bands whose names I long forget.

    And trying to chat up some fellow studenty lass in my summer factory job by feigning a greater shared appreciation of The Man From Delmonte than I actually had. TBF, any level of appreciation impressed her.
    Still got a soft spot for TMFDM. My Love Is Like a Gift You Can't Return is in my top 25 most played over the past ten years.

    But the Craig Cash show was wonderful, wasn't it? I see your World of Twist and I raise you Molly Halfhead, New Fast Automativ Daffodils and The Auk (Orc?).
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,211
    edited September 17
    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    Also Leon, have you been to Victoria Falls? If not I have a recommendation for there plus an awesome safari the other side of the Kariba Dam.

    Mate, have I been to the victoria falls? Yeah. I’ve been to the victoria falls. I’ve done it on foot and in a chopper

    I’ve also been to a river island right on the edge which is so dangerous it is estimated only a few dozen people have ever made it there. I had an absolutely insane zimbo guide
    Is that the pool on the edge - like nature's jacuzzi?
    No. I’ve done that. The devils pool?

    This is even crazier and much scarier

    I wish I could show you but I’ve used my photo allocation
    Yes the Devil's pool. Jeez that's terrifying enough.

    I'd have done it if I had gone on my own but was with family so daren't even suggest it. One slip or mis-paddle on the way and you're gone.

    We did a tremendous white-water raft just past the Falls.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,687
    Billie Eilish goes for Comrade Kamala.

    100m followers on social media.

    Voter registration day announcement.


  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874

    In a crowded field, Ed Miliband is probably the most embarrassing minister in the present government.

    https://x.com/ed_miliband/status/1836104858421940732

    Labour of course picked Ed Miliband over his more charismatic and centrist brother David Miliband after they lost power at the 2010 general election. Though even Ed was ahead in the polls by Christmas of that year
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,687
    HYUFD said:

    I think the final two will be Jenrick and Tugendhat with Badenoch third. That could then be closer than expected with the membership though Jenrick would still probably win

    Madness.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    mercator said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Properly world class experience, this

    Given all the amount of travel Flint Knappers Monthly get you on I am surprised you haven't done Whistler before.
    Yes, so am I. Given how impressive BC has turned out to be

    But I’m slowly filling in the blanks

    Still gotta do: Central America, central/west Africa. Central Asia (the stans). Polynesia

    Then that will be it. The world. Done
    OK this is important

    Polynesia meaning Tahiti and Bora Bora is middle market US honeymoon country. Seriously dull (except scuba and skydiving are ok). You need to get out to places like the Marquesas and Pitcairn. This was basically impossible except by yacht until the company which goes around supplying the local Spar type supermarkets realized there was money in branching out into cruises

    https://www.aranui.com/en/sailing-schedule
    Yes indeed. I want to do wild Polynesia. Some of the islands are insanely eccentric

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,687
    Leon said:

    Ooof. Get in

    THE WHOREY MARMOTS were once known as THE WHISTLE PIGS

    That’s TWO excellent names for a band in just one large squirreline montane-dwelling Canadian rodent

    “It is the largest North American ground squirrel and is often nicknamed "the whistler" for its high-pitched warning issued to alert other members of the colony to possible danger. The animals are sometimes called "whistle pigs". Whistler, British Columbia, originally London Mountain because of its heavy fogs and rain, was renamed after these animals to help make it more marketable as a resort.[3] The closest relatives of the species are the yellow-bellied, Olympic, and Vancouver Island marmots, although the exact relationships are unclear.[4][5]”

    London Mountain is also a band name.

    I love it.

    Think of the LP covers.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,211
    mercator said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Properly world class experience, this

    Given all the amount of travel Flint Knappers Monthly get you on I am surprised you haven't done Whistler before.
    Yes, so am I. Given how impressive BC has turned out to be

    But I’m slowly filling in the blanks

    Still gotta do: Central America, central/west Africa. Central Asia (the stans). Polynesia

    Then that will be it. The world. Done
    OK this is important

    Polynesia meaning Tahiti and Bora Bora is middle market US honeymoon country. Seriously dull (except scuba and skydiving are ok). You need to get out to places like the Marquesas and Pitcairn. This was basically impossible except by yacht until the company which goes around supplying the local Spar type supermarkets realized there was money in branching out into cruises

    https://www.aranui.com/en/sailing-schedule
    I don't think your link gives the cost. What would the approximate cost of that be?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228

    Leon said:

    Ooof. Get in

    THE WHOREY MARMOTS were once known as THE WHISTLE PIGS

    That’s TWO excellent names for a band in just one large squirreline montane-dwelling Canadian rodent

    “It is the largest North American ground squirrel and is often nicknamed "the whistler" for its high-pitched warning issued to alert other members of the colony to possible danger. The animals are sometimes called "whistle pigs". Whistler, British Columbia, originally London Mountain because of its heavy fogs and rain, was renamed after these animals to help make it more marketable as a resort.[3] The closest relatives of the species are the yellow-bellied, Olympic, and Vancouver Island marmots, although the exact relationships are unclear.[4][5]”

    London Mountain is also a band name.

    I love it.

    Think of the LP covers.
    Think of the chat

    “Yeah. I saw the Whistle Pigs, live. Back in 2024. And the Whorey Marmots as well! Same time. Amazing”
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,009
    edited September 17
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in the whistler gondola

    Our son was guest snowboarder there when he was a professional and his MIL has a holiday home there
    Your son was a professional snowboarder? From what I know of your family he is, what late 50s? He must have been a very early adopter of the sport.
    He was, and with a couple of friends here in Llandudno they learnt on the dry slope before spending winters in Chamonix and then to North America and Whistler where he was the guest celebrity snowboarder for a holiday company

    He lived life to the extreme witnessing several tragic deaths on the slopes before he settled down in 2003 and emigrated to New Zealand
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,766

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in the whistler gondola

    Our son was guest snowboarder there when he was a professional and his MIL has a holiday home there
    Your son was a professional snowboarder? From what I know of your family he is, what late 50s? He must have been a very early adopter of the sport.
    He was, and with a couple of friends here in Llandudno they learnt on the dry slope before spending winters in Chamonix and then to North America and Whistler where is was the guest celebrity snowboarder for a holiday company

    He lived life to.the extreme witnessing several tragic deaths on the slopes before he settled down in 2003 and emigrated to New Zealand
    Ah, Llandudno dry slope. That was my first skiing experience.
    Pleased it launched a career.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,075
    HYUFD said:

    I think the final two will be Jenrick and Tugendhat with Badenoch third. That could then be closer than expected with the membership though Jenrick would still probably win

    Who would you vote for out of the two?
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,211
    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in the whistler gondola

    Our son was guest snowboarder there when he was a professional and his MIL has a holiday home there
    Your son was a professional snowboarder? From what I know of your family he is, what late 50s? He must have been a very early adopter of the sport.
    He was, and with a couple of friends here in Llandudno they learnt on the dry slope before spending winters in Chamonix and then to North America and Whistler where is was the guest celebrity snowboarder for a holiday company

    He lived life to.the extreme witnessing several tragic deaths on the slopes before he settled down in 2003 and emigrated to New Zealand
    Ah, Llandudno dry slope. That was my first skiing experience.
    Pleased it launched a career.
    You're a skier? Forgive me for being a little surprised. You holiday in Cornwall?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046

    HYUFD said:

    I think the final two will be Jenrick and Tugendhat with Badenoch third. That could then be closer than expected with the membership though Jenrick would still probably win

    Madness.
    Is it? He doesn't appeal to me, but whoever stems bleeding to Reform is probably best for the party in the longterm, so long as they do not totally alienate the centre, who can be sought after later (possibly by the next leader).
  • KnightOut said:

    I still don't see the appeal of Jenrick.

    In the cardfile of Tory leadership candidates in my mind, he's very much in the lower-middle part of the deck, rubbing inauspicious shoulders with the likes of Peter Lilley and Andrea Leadsom. Possibly slightly ahead of Rehman Chishti, but it's a close call.

    I suppose he has managed to hold on to a seat that was lost in 1997.

    He's telling the party that they were fundamentally right about everything, that their only failing was to not truly be themselves. And by jumping ship six months early, the election fiasco was nothing at all to do with him.

    Unsurprisingly, that message is a popular one.

    (Peter Lilley visited Thing One's school recently, as part of a project called "Learn with the Lords". Not sure whether he impressed the crowd or not, though they aren't easy to please.)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,110

    If the Israelis were able to heat up the battery to set off the explosive in the pager, what else were they able to get the software to do? Read all the messages?

    I wouldn't seem crazy to think they haven't repeated the FBI Anom playbook, where they inserted god mode into the secure messaging system. The question then would be why blow them up now, rather than keep using your god mode to see everything that is going on.
    Probably because one of the devices blew up from being left too close to an open fire or other heat source. At which point the Israelis will have known the game was up and will have detonated the lot.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    I do like the US Green Party lady, who very seriously explains that you cannot go around calling Putin a war criminal (though Medhi Hassan does kind of drag the view he is one out of her reluctantly), because as a world leader 'you don't begin your conversation' with them that way ...but that it is totally fine for a world leader to call Biden or Netanyahu war criminals.

    https://nitter.poast.org/DrewPavlou/status/1835827398518145286#m

    Even if a useful idiot you'd be better off pretending consistency in not labelling anyone that way.
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