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  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,881
    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    He's a bad, out of touch, neglectful, currently sitting on his backside landlord. His accommodation quality is poor, he is not fulfilling his responsibilities, his account is not coherent, and his management agents are shit. Making sure it is all in place is *his* responsibility.

    Look at the staircase on the "common parts" photograph on the BBC. It hasn't even got a f*cking handrail for a common route to multiple flats. And the lightbulb was dead - unforgiveable when a normal LED bulb will last years. Has it got emergency lighting? What happens in an emergency when they all have to get down that uneven staircase with no handrail?

    He'll be hammered under the Housing health and safety rating system (HHSRS).

    If the Council take it up, as they should, he has 5 or 6 figures of civil penalties incoming.
    My image quota for the day. Jas Athwal's "commonal area" (known as "common parts") in his set of flats.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    In fairness "common parts" is a technical term and does not imply the luxury of a JCR. It's just a normal staircase in a block of flats available to all.
    No handrail must be against some regulation?
    Bless that you think regulations apply to rental....shower doesn't work...complain every month for a year....toilet fucked complain you are shitting in the garden maybe 6 months....heating or anything similarly superficial forget it....then when you try for your deposit they will wipe it out for damp caused by you not having the heating on or some such
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,180
    Musk's X suspended in Brazil after ruling by judge; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y3rnl5qv3o
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,877

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    For those unacquainted with super yachts, I am in Tivat on Kotor Bay in Montenegro (on assignment for the gazette) and 500m from Porto Montenegro, which is an insane collision of Italian mafiosi and Russian oligarchs and South American drug lords all eating £200 steaks in absurdly overpriced restaurants with their 19 year old “wives”

    https://www.portomontenegro.com/

    They come here because it’s “just” outside the EU yet it uses the euro and feels like Monte Carlo etc

    Gorgeous part of the world. Been there twice. Been to Kotor and Herceg Novi. Went through Tivat on a coach trip to Lake Skardar. Never got to see the side of Tivat you are seeing. I just want to go back now.
    Granddaughters Two and Three, both attractive 18 year olds are currently headed towards the Adriatic region. I look forward to their Instagram photos with a mixture of trepidation and interest.
    As do their parents.
    Hope they have a great time

    Kotor Bay, besides having beautiful women, must be one of THE most beautiful places on earth

    I cannot think of anywhere on the Med that matches it, apart from Pelion in Greece (which is also spectacular)
    Pelion is fantastic. The coast of Arcadia is also recommended.
    So I was correct earlier about the location being stuffed with drug warlords.

    What's with the bloody palm trees in Montenegro?

  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,962
    Pagan2 said:

    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    He's a bad, out of touch, neglectful, currently sitting on his backside landlord. His accommodation quality is poor, he is not fulfilling his responsibilities, his account is not coherent, and his management agents are shit. Making sure it is all in place is *his* responsibility.

    Look at the staircase on the "common parts" photograph on the BBC. It hasn't even got a f*cking handrail for a common route to multiple flats. And the lightbulb was dead - unforgiveable when a normal LED bulb will last years. Has it got emergency lighting? What happens in an emergency when they all have to get down that uneven staircase with no handrail?

    He'll be hammered under the Housing health and safety rating system (HHSRS).

    If the Council take it up, as they should, he has 5 or 6 figures of civil penalties incoming.
    My image quota for the day. Jas Athwal's "commonal area" (known as "common parts") in his set of flats.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    In fairness "common parts" is a technical term and does not imply the luxury of a JCR. It's just a normal staircase in a block of flats available to all.
    No handrail must be against some regulation?
    Bless that you think regulations apply to rental....shower doesn't work...complain every month for a year....toilet fucked complain you are shitting in the garden maybe 6 months....heating or anything similarly superficial forget it....then when you try for your deposit they will wipe it out for damp caused by you not having the heating on or some such
    However this is something related to safety. That staircase is a deathtrap.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,547
    Sadly the constituency is an unlikely Labour loss in a byelection.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,901
    Good grief. Come on. The term is 'fount', not 'fountain'.
    If this is really what they said, a well-placed [sic] would help.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/30/ozempic-offers-fountain-of-youth-studies-find/
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,220

    So who are we bombing right now?

    If the country's finances are so bad, then why are we still spending £50 billion a year on the military?

    If there's no money left, why are we spending £12,000 a minute on nuclear weapons?

    If we can afford to bomb people, why can't we afford to feed people?


    https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1829457351708991741

    Pub gardens, apparently.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    carnforth said:

    Cookie said:

    Good grief. Come on. The term is 'fount', not 'fountain'.
    If this is really what they said, a well-placed [sic] would help.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/30/ozempic-offers-fountain-of-youth-studies-find/

    The font of youth is Comic Sans, right?
    Typeface :)
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,901

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Greetings


    Welcome back.
    Thanks. I did say I’d pop back when travelling to post annoying photos

    Can anyone guess where I am?

    The photo is generic but here’s a clue: I’m about 3 minutes walk from possibly the largest concentration of dubious wealth in the world
    Gotta be one of the dodgy islands where tax exiles and drug warlords hide out?
    Oh, good, you're back. Dubious wealth - Prestbury. Are you in Macclesfield?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,955
    Cookie said:

    Good grief. Come on. The term is 'fount', not 'fountain'.
    If this is really what they said, a well-placed [sic] would help.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/30/ozempic-offers-fountain-of-youth-studies-find/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_of_Youth
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,962

    Cookie said:

    Good grief. Come on. The term is 'fount', not 'fountain'.
    If this is really what they said, a well-placed [sic] would help.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/30/ozempic-offers-fountain-of-youth-studies-find/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_of_Youth
    Proper noun, unless they have found the lost city inside an Ozempic syringe.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,913
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Greetings


    Welcome back.
    Thanks. I did say I’d pop back when travelling to post annoying photos

    Can anyone guess where I am?

    The photo is generic but here’s a clue: I’m about 3 minutes walk from possibly the largest concentration of dubious wealth in the world
    Gotta be one of the dodgy islands where tax exiles and drug warlords hide out?
    Oh, good, you're back. Dubious wealth - Prestbury. Are you in Macclesfield?
    Macc? How low can he go?
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,994
    Leon said:

    I stand by my prior observation that - alongside Ukraine - the women of Montenegro are the most beautiful in the world. Rebecca West mentions the beauty of the Montenegrins in “Black Lamb, Grey Falcon”

    Indeed the Montenegrins might just win because they are cheerier and smiliier. God knows why the Ukrainians are so bloody gloomy and grim faced they should get over it

    Didn’t you say that about Circassian women last year?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,955
    RobD said:

    Cookie said:

    Good grief. Come on. The term is 'fount', not 'fountain'.
    If this is really what they said, a well-placed [sic] would help.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/30/ozempic-offers-fountain-of-youth-studies-find/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_of_Youth
    Proper noun, unless they have found the lost city inside an Ozempic syringe.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_of_Youth_(disambiguation)
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,281
    edited August 30
    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    He's a bad, out of touch, neglectful, currently sitting on his backside landlord. His accommodation quality is poor, he is not fulfilling his responsibilities, his account is not coherent, and his management agents are shit. Making sure it is all in place is *his* responsibility.

    Look at the staircase on the "common parts" photograph on the BBC. It hasn't even got a f*cking handrail for a common route to multiple flats. And the lightbulb was dead - unforgiveable when a normal LED bulb will last years. Has it got emergency lighting? What happens in an emergency when they all have to get down that uneven staircase with no handrail?

    He'll be hammered under the Housing health and safety rating system (HHSRS).

    If the Council take it up, as they should, he has 5 or 6 figures of civil penalties incoming.
    My image quota for the day. Jas Athwal's "commonal area" (known as "common parts") in his set of flats.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    In fairness "common parts" is a technical term and does not imply the luxury of a JCR. It's just a normal staircase in a block of flats available to all.
    No handrail must be against some regulation?
    It probably is, like a lot of things. But a dimly-lit staircase without a handrail is a fairly modest indictment. That's how millions of people live these days. I can confirm it's how millions of people lived fifty years ago. In most cases it's better than the previous place they lived, so they're not complaining. Regulations are one thing; lived experience is another.

    That doesn't excuse anything else about this story. The common parts in a block of flats are difficult to maintain when there are people determined to vandalise them, as I know from experience. We had a twat in our block in Islington who took against his neighbour and wrecked their fuse box at night, leaving them in the dark and vulnerable. This is the sort of thing that happens all too often.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,855
    Then they came for the drinkers…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/30/pub-bosses-warned-government-minimum-alcohol-pricing/

    Pub bosses warned to expect minimum alcohol pricing

    Labour figure warned industry ‘to get its act together’ to tackle harms of drinking, say sources
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,994
    biggles said:

    sarissa said:

    Leon said:

    Greetings


    Another Aperol spritz advert? That’s so five minutes ago.
    It’s bloomin’ everywhere isn’t it? They must have blown a decade’s PR budget in one summer.
    I hereby declare the new drink du jour is a healthy dash of Limoncello in a champagne flute, topped up with Prosecco - the Chaverol Spritz.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,169

    Then they came for the drinkers…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/30/pub-bosses-warned-government-minimum-alcohol-pricing/

    Pub bosses warned to expect minimum alcohol pricing

    Labour figure warned industry ‘to get its act together’ to tackle harms of drinking, say sources

    May as well have the bollinger then.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,435

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    He's a bad, out of touch, neglectful, currently sitting on his backside landlord. His accommodation quality is poor, he is not fulfilling his responsibilities, his account is not coherent, and his management agents are shit. Making sure it is all in place is *his* responsibility.

    Look at the staircase on the "common parts" photograph on the BBC. It hasn't even got a f*cking handrail for a common route to multiple flats. And the lightbulb was dead - unforgiveable when a normal LED bulb will last years. Has it got emergency lighting? What happens in an emergency when they all have to get down that uneven staircase with no handrail?

    He'll be hammered under the Housing health and safety rating system (HHSRS).

    If the Council take it up, as they should, he has 5 or 6 figures of civil penalties incoming.
    My image quota for the day. Jas Athwal's "commonal area" (known as "common parts") in his set of flats.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    In fairness "common parts" is a technical term and does not imply the luxury of a JCR. It's just a normal staircase in a block of flats available to all.
    As a normal staircase used by all it is required to be safe. This is under the required standards which have been in place for ~20 years.

    I didn't push the description, but it is actually supposed to be 900mm wide with handrails both sides. I'd say that it is wholly inadequate for accessing multiple flats - it looks liked a bodged in repurposed domestic staircase, and if it is a 'block of flats' I suggest that he should actually have created a brand new one that was OK.

    This is the summary doc. Reference is handrails.
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a799834ed915d0422069a0a/150940.pdf

    This is the detailed assessment doc with methodology etc.
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a78d3d940f0b62b22cbd1d6/142631.pdf

    Providing a safe environment for tenants is not optional; it is the most basic of basics. The minute we back off that we are on the skids imo.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,658
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    He's a bad, out of touch, neglectful, currently sitting on his backside landlord. His accommodation quality is poor, he is not fulfilling his responsibilities, his account is not coherent, and his management agents are shit. Making sure it is all in place is *his* responsibility.

    Look at the staircase on the "common parts" photograph on the BBC. It hasn't even got a f*cking handrail for a common route to multiple flats. And the lightbulb was dead - unforgiveable when a normal LED bulb will last years. Has it got emergency lighting? What happens in an emergency when they all have to get down that uneven staircase with no handrail?

    He'll be hammered under the Housing health and safety rating system (HHSRS).

    If the Council take it up, as they should, he has 5 or 6 figures of civil penalties incoming.
    My image quota for the day. Jas Athwal's "commonal area" (known as "common parts") in his set of flats.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    In fairness "common parts" is a technical term and does not imply the luxury of a JCR. It's just a normal staircase in a block of flats available to all.
    As a normal staircase used by all it is required to be safe. This is under the required standards which have been in place for ~20 years.

    I didn't push the description, but it is actually supposed to be 900mm wide with handrails both sides. I'd say that it is wholly inadequate for accessing multiple flats - it looks liked a bodged in repurposed domestic staircase, and if it is a 'block of flats' I suggest that he should actually have created a brand new one that was OK.

    This is the summary doc. Reference is handrails.
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a799834ed915d0422069a0a/150940.pdf

    This is the detailed assessment doc with methodology etc.
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a78d3d940f0b62b22cbd1d6/142631.pdf

    Providing a safe environment for tenants is not optional; it is the most basic of basics. The minute we back off that we are on the skids imo.
    From the BBC article, it's a modern block built in the gardens of some houses. No exuses for the failing lights or lack of handrail though.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    biggles said:

    Then they came for the drinkers…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/30/pub-bosses-warned-government-minimum-alcohol-pricing/

    Pub bosses warned to expect minimum alcohol pricing

    Labour figure warned industry ‘to get its act together’ to tackle harms of drinking, say sources

    May as well have the bollinger then.
    A diazepam in the midafternoon and a toot on one of those trendy THC vapes will sort you out quite nicely, and will make your £13 pint go much further...

    I jest, but note how quickly illegal benzo use went up in Scotland as the minimum price limits got enforced... https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/minimum-alcohol-pricing-has-driven-people-to-street-drugs-say-experts-8t5z8tsf9

    Not to mention the fact your dealer doesn't pay tax...

    Socialists always make the mistake of imagining that tax doesn't change behaviour, and eagerly tot up all the amount they'll make if economic activity remains unchanged. See also CGT etc...
  • Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    This is quite an interesting little story about something that has not been a prominent political question for a few years. Badger cull to be ended by a vaccination (for badgers) programme by the end of the first term, with research on vaccines (for cows) continuing.

    Cow culling cost is currently £100m approx per annum.

    I didn't think that was coming this quickly. It had a walk on part in the manifesto.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9qg52r7jzxo

    It should end sooner.
    Recent evidence using gene sequencing to identify TB infection (rather than the unreliable "skin test" in current use) indicates a fairly high level of previously undetected infection in the British herd. It's fairly likely that the whole decades long badger cull debate was almost irrelevant to the problem.
    Probably unlike most other contributors here I had had cows taken because they failed the skin test. It was one of the many reasons I decided to retire. My cows did not have TB as the autopsies showed. I think it is being spread by badgers but probably deer as well. The logical thing is to vaccinate the cattle but that wasn't allowed while we were in Europe. We should have been doing that for 50 years.

    I cried when they took my cows and I well up now, five years later just thinking about it.

    You wonder why farmers voted to Leave the EU.
    And still Defra are insisting that we shouldn’t vaccinate cows because they want to sell them into the EU. It’s amazing Defra have environment in their header.

    Vaccinate Badgers was simple and being trialled. And paid for by Defra. A year off results.

    Farmers didn’t have to stop the trials. That was a very bad decision made by unpleasant people pandering to cultural prejudice.

    You only have to please the core voter is a dreadful result that comes out of fptp.



  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,326

    Ah another terrible backlash for Starmer.

    Was it acceptable or unacceptable for Keir Starmer to have Margaret Thatcher's portrait removed from her former study in Downing Street?

    Acceptable: 45%
    Unacceptable: 36%


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1829542362265387114

    Perhaps Starmer can have the portrait hung in Downing Street's outdoors smoking area, where it can be enjoyed by libertarians.
    I thought the plan was to ban the outside smoking areas, as well?
    Downing Street = house owned by the public = public house = pub

    Clearly drinking in pub gardens is a bad thing and should be banned
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,281
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    He's a bad, out of touch, neglectful, currently sitting on his backside landlord. His accommodation quality is poor, he is not fulfilling his responsibilities, his account is not coherent, and his management agents are shit. Making sure it is all in place is *his* responsibility.

    Look at the staircase on the "common parts" photograph on the BBC. It hasn't even got a f*cking handrail for a common route to multiple flats. And the lightbulb was dead - unforgiveable when a normal LED bulb will last years. Has it got emergency lighting? What happens in an emergency when they all have to get down that uneven staircase with no handrail?

    He'll be hammered under the Housing health and safety rating system (HHSRS).

    If the Council take it up, as they should, he has 5 or 6 figures of civil penalties incoming.
    My image quota for the day. Jas Athwal's "commonal area" (known as "common parts") in his set of flats.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    In fairness "common parts" is a technical term and does not imply the luxury of a JCR. It's just a normal staircase in a block of flats available to all.
    As a normal staircase used by all it is required to be safe. This is under the required standards which have been in place for ~20 years.

    I didn't push the description, but it is actually supposed to be 900mm wide with handrails both sides. I'd say that it is wholly inadequate for accessing multiple flats - it looks liked a bodged in repurposed domestic staircase, and if it is a 'block of flats' I suggest that he should actually have created a brand new one that was OK.

    This is the summary doc. Reference is handrails.
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a799834ed915d0422069a0a/150940.pdf

    This is the detailed assessment doc with methodology etc.
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a78d3d940f0b62b22cbd1d6/142631.pdf

    Providing a safe environment for tenants is not optional; it is the most basic of basics. The minute we back off that we are on the skids imo.
    We are indeed on the skids. The contrast between theory and practice gets wider and wider as more and more well-meaning regulations become impossible to enforce. So we're reduced to one particular landlord's enemies exploiting his shortcomings for political advantage while the underlying problems are too ingrained to be addressed.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,385

    Then they came for the drinkers…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/30/pub-bosses-warned-government-minimum-alcohol-pricing/

    Pub bosses warned to expect minimum alcohol pricing

    Labour figure warned industry ‘to get its act together’ to tackle harms of drinking, say sources

    Minimum unit pricing shouldn't affect on licence sales, because on licence prices are way higher than off licence/supermarket prices.

    You'd expect minimum alcohol pricing to help pubs, by closing the difference between on and off licence prices.
    It doesn't , you can still get 10 cans of decent beer for not much over a tenner in Scotland, so 8 pints at 1.25 to say 1.75 max for top stuff, pint bottles IPA £2.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,061

    Then they came for the drinkers…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/30/pub-bosses-warned-government-minimum-alcohol-pricing/

    Pub bosses warned to expect minimum alcohol pricing

    Labour figure warned industry ‘to get its act together’ to tackle harms of drinking, say sources

    Minimum unit pricing shouldn't affect on licence sales, because on licence prices are way higher than off licence/supermarket prices.

    You'd expect minimum alcohol pricing to help pubs, by closing the difference between on and off licence prices.
    The only alcohol it will really have any effect on is the 2L cheap cider plastic bottles
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,658
    malcolmg said:

    Then they came for the drinkers…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/30/pub-bosses-warned-government-minimum-alcohol-pricing/

    Pub bosses warned to expect minimum alcohol pricing

    Labour figure warned industry ‘to get its act together’ to tackle harms of drinking, say sources

    Minimum unit pricing shouldn't affect on licence sales, because on licence prices are way higher than off licence/supermarket prices.

    You'd expect minimum alcohol pricing to help pubs, by closing the difference between on and off licence prices.
    It doesn't , you can still get 10 cans of decent beer for not much over a tenner in Scotland, so 8 pints at 1.25 to say 1.75 max for top stuff, pint bottles IPA £2.
    Greene King IPA £1 for 500ml in Tesco down here. Opinions vary on whether that's beer, though.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,385
    sarissa said:

    biggles said:

    sarissa said:

    Leon said:

    Greetings


    Another Aperol spritz advert? That’s so five minutes ago.
    It’s bloomin’ everywhere isn’t it? They must have blown a decade’s PR budget in one summer.
    I hereby declare the new drink du jour is a healthy dash of Limoncello in a champagne flute, topped up with Prosecco - the Chaverol Spritz.
    It is a pleasant drink indeed especially if limoncello is just out of freezer
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,541
    carnforth said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    He's a bad, out of touch, neglectful, currently sitting on his backside landlord. His accommodation quality is poor, he is not fulfilling his responsibilities, his account is not coherent, and his management agents are shit. Making sure it is all in place is *his* responsibility.

    Look at the staircase on the "common parts" photograph on the BBC. It hasn't even got a f*cking handrail for a common route to multiple flats. And the lightbulb was dead - unforgiveable when a normal LED bulb will last years. Has it got emergency lighting? What happens in an emergency when they all have to get down that uneven staircase with no handrail?

    He'll be hammered under the Housing health and safety rating system (HHSRS).

    If the Council take it up, as they should, he has 5 or 6 figures of civil penalties incoming.
    My image quota for the day. Jas Athwal's "commonal area" (known as "common parts") in his set of flats.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    In fairness "common parts" is a technical term and does not imply the luxury of a JCR. It's just a normal staircase in a block of flats available to all.
    As a normal staircase used by all it is required to be safe. This is under the required standards which have been in place for ~20 years.

    I didn't push the description, but it is actually supposed to be 900mm wide with handrails both sides. I'd say that it is wholly inadequate for accessing multiple flats - it looks liked a bodged in repurposed domestic staircase, and if it is a 'block of flats' I suggest that he should actually have created a brand new one that was OK.

    This is the summary doc. Reference is handrails.
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a799834ed915d0422069a0a/150940.pdf

    This is the detailed assessment doc with methodology etc.
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a78d3d940f0b62b22cbd1d6/142631.pdf

    Providing a safe environment for tenants is not optional; it is the most basic of basics. The minute we back off that we are on the skids imo.
    From the BBC article, it's a modern block built in the gardens of some houses. No exuses for the failing lights or lack of handrail though.
    Flats built in gardens have a deserved reputation.

    Nearly always built by scum and owned by scum.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,658
    malcolmg said:

    sarissa said:

    biggles said:

    sarissa said:

    Leon said:

    Greetings


    Another Aperol spritz advert? That’s so five minutes ago.
    It’s bloomin’ everywhere isn’t it? They must have blown a decade’s PR budget in one summer.
    I hereby declare the new drink du jour is a healthy dash of Limoncello in a champagne flute, topped up with Prosecco - the Chaverol Spritz.
    It is a pleasant drink indeed especially if limoncello is just out of freezer
    Can you recommend a brand of Limoncello which isn't redolent of Lemon Fairy Liquid?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,435
    edited August 30
    Pagan2 said:

    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    He's a bad, out of touch, neglectful, currently sitting on his backside landlord. His accommodation quality is poor, he is not fulfilling his responsibilities, his account is not coherent, and his management agents are shit. Making sure it is all in place is *his* responsibility.

    Look at the staircase on the "common parts" photograph on the BBC. It hasn't even got a f*cking handrail for a common route to multiple flats. And the lightbulb was dead - unforgiveable when a normal LED bulb will last years. Has it got emergency lighting? What happens in an emergency when they all have to get down that uneven staircase with no handrail?

    He'll be hammered under the Housing health and safety rating system (HHSRS).

    If the Council take it up, as they should, he has 5 or 6 figures of civil penalties incoming.
    My image quota for the day. Jas Athwal's "commonal area" (known as "common parts") in his set of flats.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    In fairness "common parts" is a technical term and does not imply the luxury of a JCR. It's just a normal staircase in a block of flats available to all.
    No handrail must be against some regulation?
    Bless that you think regulations apply to rental....shower doesn't work...complain every month for a year....toilet fucked complain you are shitting in the garden maybe 6 months....heating or anything similarly superficial forget it....then when you try for your deposit they will wipe it out for damp caused by you not having the heating on or some such
    They do apply, and standards have been revolutionised since it was all redone in the Housing Act 2005. I trust you are in some measure being ironic.

    I refer you to the last 15 editions of the English Housing Survey, and the property and tenant satisfaction data therein.

    There's a lot of stuff which has not been done anything like as well as could have been, or where politics or ignorance of politicians have distorted how process could have been better. But we are where we are.

    Exanple: whilst commenting on this thread I chatted to one of my tenants where I had noticed whilst having a new boiler fitted that the CO alarm was out of date (I fit 5 or 10 year battery ones), and I'd not chased it up. Not technically my responsibility to replace it as it is not the start of the tenancy, but she might forget and has 3 young kids, so I'll take a new one over on Sunday.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,855
    edited August 30
    CatMan said:

    Then they came for the drinkers…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/30/pub-bosses-warned-government-minimum-alcohol-pricing/

    Pub bosses warned to expect minimum alcohol pricing

    Labour figure warned industry ‘to get its act together’ to tackle harms of drinking, say sources

    Minimum unit pricing shouldn't affect on licence sales, because on licence prices are way higher than off licence/supermarket prices.

    You'd expect minimum alcohol pricing to help pubs, by closing the difference between on and off licence prices.
    The only alcohol it will really have any effect on is the 2L cheap cider plastic bottles
    It depends how they implement it. Maybe they do want to reduce drinking in pubs. “Let them eat cake serve food.”
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,541
    malcolmg said:

    Then they came for the drinkers…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/30/pub-bosses-warned-government-minimum-alcohol-pricing/

    Pub bosses warned to expect minimum alcohol pricing

    Labour figure warned industry ‘to get its act together’ to tackle harms of drinking, say sources

    Minimum unit pricing shouldn't affect on licence sales, because on licence prices are way higher than off licence/supermarket prices.

    You'd expect minimum alcohol pricing to help pubs, by closing the difference between on and off licence prices.
    It doesn't , you can still get 10 cans of decent beer for not much over a tenner in Scotland, so 8 pints at 1.25 to say 1.75 max for top stuff, pint bottles IPA £2.
    I’m trying to imagine the riots, of they introduced minimum pricing, so that a pint of beer cost £6.89….
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,169

    CatMan said:

    Then they came for the drinkers…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/30/pub-bosses-warned-government-minimum-alcohol-pricing/

    Pub bosses warned to expect minimum alcohol pricing

    Labour figure warned industry ‘to get its act together’ to tackle harms of drinking, say sources

    Minimum unit pricing shouldn't affect on licence sales, because on licence prices are way higher than off licence/supermarket prices.

    You'd expect minimum alcohol pricing to help pubs, by closing the difference between on and off licence prices.
    The only alcohol it will really have any effect on is the 2L cheap cider plastic bottles
    It depends how they implement it. Maybe they do want to reduce drinking in pubs. “Let them eat cake serve food.”
    Want to go halves on setting up a chain of speak easies in tea rooms? We could be billionaires.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,541
    MattW said:

    Pagan2 said:

    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    He's a bad, out of touch, neglectful, currently sitting on his backside landlord. His accommodation quality is poor, he is not fulfilling his responsibilities, his account is not coherent, and his management agents are shit. Making sure it is all in place is *his* responsibility.

    Look at the staircase on the "common parts" photograph on the BBC. It hasn't even got a f*cking handrail for a common route to multiple flats. And the lightbulb was dead - unforgiveable when a normal LED bulb will last years. Has it got emergency lighting? What happens in an emergency when they all have to get down that uneven staircase with no handrail?

    He'll be hammered under the Housing health and safety rating system (HHSRS).

    If the Council take it up, as they should, he has 5 or 6 figures of civil penalties incoming.
    My image quota for the day. Jas Athwal's "commonal area" (known as "common parts") in his set of flats.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    In fairness "common parts" is a technical term and does not imply the luxury of a JCR. It's just a normal staircase in a block of flats available to all.
    No handrail must be against some regulation?
    Bless that you think regulations apply to rental....shower doesn't work...complain every month for a year....toilet fucked complain you are shitting in the garden maybe 6 months....heating or anything similarly superficial forget it....then when you try for your deposit they will wipe it out for damp caused by you not having the heating on or some such
    They do apply, and standards have been revolutionised since it was all redone in the Housing Act 2005. I trust you are in some measure being ironic.

    I refer you to the last 15 editions of the English Housing Survey, and the property and tenant satisfaction data therein.

    There's a lot of stuff which has not been done anything like as well as could have been, or where politics or ignorance of politicians have distorted how process could have been better. But we are where we are.

    Exanple: whilst commenting on this thread I chatted to one of my tenants where I had noticed whilst having a new boiler fitted that the CO alarm was out of date (I fit 5 or 10 year battery ones), and I'd not chased it up. Not technically my responsibility to replace it as it is not the start of the tenancy, but she might forget and has 3 young kids, so I'll take a new one over on Sunday.
    That’s because you give a shit.

    To many people, flogging a rotting property until they are physically stopped is “Smart Business”


  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,955
    carnforth said:

    malcolmg said:

    sarissa said:

    biggles said:

    sarissa said:

    Leon said:

    Greetings


    Another Aperol spritz advert? That’s so five minutes ago.
    It’s bloomin’ everywhere isn’t it? They must have blown a decade’s PR budget in one summer.
    I hereby declare the new drink du jour is a healthy dash of Limoncello in a champagne flute, topped up with Prosecco - the Chaverol Spritz.
    It is a pleasant drink indeed especially if limoncello is just out of freezer
    Can you recommend a brand of Limoncello which isn't redolent of Lemon Fairy Liquid?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Lemoncello
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,541
    biggles said:

    CatMan said:

    Then they came for the drinkers…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/30/pub-bosses-warned-government-minimum-alcohol-pricing/

    Pub bosses warned to expect minimum alcohol pricing

    Labour figure warned industry ‘to get its act together’ to tackle harms of drinking, say sources

    Minimum unit pricing shouldn't affect on licence sales, because on licence prices are way higher than off licence/supermarket prices.

    You'd expect minimum alcohol pricing to help pubs, by closing the difference between on and off licence prices.
    The only alcohol it will really have any effect on is the 2L cheap cider plastic bottles
    It depends how they implement it. Maybe they do want to reduce drinking in pubs. “Let them eat cake serve food.”
    Want to go halves on setting up a chain of speak easies in tea rooms? We could be billionaires.
    … and the workers can come to the U.K. on the cigarette boats* smuggling booze and tobacco from the continent…

    *powered by the turbo-compound version on the One True Diesel engine.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,658

    carnforth said:

    malcolmg said:

    sarissa said:

    biggles said:

    sarissa said:

    Leon said:

    Greetings


    Another Aperol spritz advert? That’s so five minutes ago.
    It’s bloomin’ everywhere isn’t it? They must have blown a decade’s PR budget in one summer.
    I hereby declare the new drink du jour is a healthy dash of Limoncello in a champagne flute, topped up with Prosecco - the Chaverol Spritz.
    It is a pleasant drink indeed especially if limoncello is just out of freezer
    Can you recommend a brand of Limoncello which isn't redolent of Lemon Fairy Liquid?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Lemoncello
    Recherché.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,855
    biggles said:

    CatMan said:

    Then they came for the drinkers…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/30/pub-bosses-warned-government-minimum-alcohol-pricing/

    Pub bosses warned to expect minimum alcohol pricing

    Labour figure warned industry ‘to get its act together’ to tackle harms of drinking, say sources

    Minimum unit pricing shouldn't affect on licence sales, because on licence prices are way higher than off licence/supermarket prices.

    You'd expect minimum alcohol pricing to help pubs, by closing the difference between on and off licence prices.
    The only alcohol it will really have any effect on is the 2L cheap cider plastic bottles
    It depends how they implement it. Maybe they do want to reduce drinking in pubs. “Let them eat cake serve food.”
    Want to go halves on setting up a chain of speak easies in tea rooms? We could be billionaires.
    “A latte with an ‘extra shot’?”
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,658

    biggles said:

    CatMan said:

    Then they came for the drinkers…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/30/pub-bosses-warned-government-minimum-alcohol-pricing/

    Pub bosses warned to expect minimum alcohol pricing

    Labour figure warned industry ‘to get its act together’ to tackle harms of drinking, say sources

    Minimum unit pricing shouldn't affect on licence sales, because on licence prices are way higher than off licence/supermarket prices.

    You'd expect minimum alcohol pricing to help pubs, by closing the difference between on and off licence prices.
    The only alcohol it will really have any effect on is the 2L cheap cider plastic bottles
    It depends how they implement it. Maybe they do want to reduce drinking in pubs. “Let them eat cake serve food.”
    Want to go halves on setting up a chain of speak easies in tea rooms? We could be billionaires.
    “A latte with an ‘extra shot’?”
    Special Tea, as I believe it's known in Muslim countries.
  • Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    This is quite an interesting little story about something that has not been a prominent political question for a few years. Badger cull to be ended by a vaccination (for badgers) programme by the end of the first term, with research on vaccines (for cows) continuing.

    Cow culling cost is currently £100m approx per annum.

    I didn't think that was coming this quickly. It had a walk on part in the manifesto.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9qg52r7jzxo

    It should end sooner.
    Recent evidence using gene sequencing to identify TB infection (rather than the unreliable "skin test" in current use) indicates a fairly high level of previously undetected infection in the British herd. It's fairly likely that the whole decades long badger cull debate was almost irrelevant to the problem.
    Probably unlike most other contributors here I had had cows taken because they failed the skin test. It was one of the many reasons I decided to retire. My cows did not have TB as the autopsies showed. I think it is being spread by badgers but probably deer as well. The logical thing is to vaccinate the cattle but that wasn't allowed while we were in Europe. We should have been doing that for 50 years.

    I cried when they took my cows and I well up now, five years later just thinking about it.

    You wonder why farmers voted to Leave the EU.
    And still Defra are insisting that we shouldn’t vaccinate cows because they want to sell them into the EU. It’s amazing Defra have environment in their header.

    Vaccinate Badgers was simple and being trialled. And paid for by Defra. A year off results.

    Farmers didn’t have to stop the trials. That was a very bad decision made by unpleasant people pandering to cultural prejudice.

    You only have to please the core voter is a dreadful result that comes out of fptp.



    I don’t mean you ‘A view from’. I think the minister at Defra (tractor lover?) made evil decisions in cahoots with the NFU.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,877
    CatMan said:

    Then they came for the drinkers…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/30/pub-bosses-warned-government-minimum-alcohol-pricing/

    Pub bosses warned to expect minimum alcohol pricing

    Labour figure warned industry ‘to get its act together’ to tackle harms of drinking, say sources

    Minimum unit pricing shouldn't affect on licence sales, because on licence prices are way higher than off licence/supermarket prices.

    You'd expect minimum alcohol pricing to help pubs, by closing the difference between on and off licence prices.
    The only alcohol it will really have any effect on is the 2L cheap cider plastic bottles
    so what's the point then?

    If you are drinking 2L bottles of cheap cider then you are a teenager going through what teenagers go through or you are an alcoholic and need medical help.

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,239
    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,435
    edited August 30

    MattW said:

    Pagan2 said:

    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    He's a bad, out of touch, neglectful, currently sitting on his backside landlord. His accommodation quality is poor, he is not fulfilling his responsibilities, his account is not coherent, and his management agents are shit. Making sure it is all in place is *his* responsibility.

    Look at the staircase on the "common parts" photograph on the BBC. It hasn't even got a f*cking handrail for a common route to multiple flats. And the lightbulb was dead - unforgiveable when a normal LED bulb will last years. Has it got emergency lighting? What happens in an emergency when they all have to get down that uneven staircase with no handrail?

    He'll be hammered under the Housing health and safety rating system (HHSRS).

    If the Council take it up, as they should, he has 5 or 6 figures of civil penalties incoming.
    My image quota for the day. Jas Athwal's "commonal area" (known as "common parts") in his set of flats.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    In fairness "common parts" is a technical term and does not imply the luxury of a JCR. It's just a normal staircase in a block of flats available to all.
    No handrail must be against some regulation?
    Bless that you think regulations apply to rental....shower doesn't work...complain every month for a year....toilet fucked complain you are shitting in the garden maybe 6 months....heating or anything similarly superficial forget it....then when you try for your deposit they will wipe it out for damp caused by you not having the heating on or some such
    They do apply, and standards have been revolutionised since it was all redone in the Housing Act 2005. I trust you are in some measure being ironic.

    I refer you to the last 15 editions of the English Housing Survey, and the property and tenant satisfaction data therein.

    There's a lot of stuff which has not been done anything like as well as could have been, or where politics or ignorance of politicians have distorted how process could have been better. But we are where we are.

    Exanple: whilst commenting on this thread I chatted to one of my tenants where I had noticed whilst having a new boiler fitted that the CO alarm was out of date (I fit 5 or 10 year battery ones), and I'd not chased it up. Not technically my responsibility to replace it as it is not the start of the tenancy, but she might forget and has 3 young kids, so I'll take a new one over on Sunday.
    That’s because you give a shit.

    To many people, flogging a rotting property until they are physically stopped is “Smart Business”


    Absolutely, and it will be the dissembling that will get him, and that is why the whips need to put a Roman Candle up his butt. When he's wibbling about "I appointed a rapid response something something agent", and said agent has just demonstrated that he is *not*, are the LL has just demonstrated that he is not paying attention, then he's in a hole.

    In law it's all the LL's personal responsiblity. If the agent runs away with the deposit the LL is responsible for paying it back - that's what "agent" means; hands off, eyes open.

    If it was run OK they would all have refused to speak to the Tory politician and the BBC out of loyalty to their excellent landlord.

    Even for something as simple as the lightbulb, a competent LL would install a light fitting with TWO lightbulbs so that it could take one dying and still be resilient, or two parallel fittings. If it is one single bulb fitting then when it goes in the common parts (LL responibility) then it has to be replaced before the next time it gets dark, or a hazard is created. This stuff is still just the most basic of the basics.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,300
    First they came for the smokers... Then they came for the drunks...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,541
    carnforth said:

    biggles said:

    CatMan said:

    Then they came for the drinkers…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/30/pub-bosses-warned-government-minimum-alcohol-pricing/

    Pub bosses warned to expect minimum alcohol pricing

    Labour figure warned industry ‘to get its act together’ to tackle harms of drinking, say sources

    Minimum unit pricing shouldn't affect on licence sales, because on licence prices are way higher than off licence/supermarket prices.

    You'd expect minimum alcohol pricing to help pubs, by closing the difference between on and off licence prices.
    The only alcohol it will really have any effect on is the 2L cheap cider plastic bottles
    It depends how they implement it. Maybe they do want to reduce drinking in pubs. “Let them eat cake serve food.”
    Want to go halves on setting up a chain of speak easies in tea rooms? We could be billionaires.
    “A latte with an ‘extra shot’?”
    Special Tea, as I believe it's known in Muslim countries.
    Years back, I attended a wedding in Morocco.

    I and the other Westerner attending, were sent to get the booze. In a lorry, driven by two policemen in uniform.

    So I was standing on a loading dock, as literal forklifts of booze were being loaded onto the lorry.

    The guy with the clip board looked at me, the wedge of currency and asked "Is it all for you?" (Foreigners only allowed buy booze)

    Quick as a flash, I pointed a thumb at my friend and said "He's Irish"

    The manager nodded and completed the transaction.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,679
    Brazil has suspended X (formerly Twitter).

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y3rnl5qv3o
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,239
    Foss said:
    Thanks but the first with Labour on 30%, just a 4 point lead
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,541
    GIN1138 said:

    First they came for the smokers... Then they came for the drunks...

    Then, they came for PB.

    But realised they'd rounded us all up, earlier.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,658
    edited August 30

    carnforth said:

    biggles said:

    CatMan said:

    Then they came for the drinkers…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/30/pub-bosses-warned-government-minimum-alcohol-pricing/

    Pub bosses warned to expect minimum alcohol pricing

    Labour figure warned industry ‘to get its act together’ to tackle harms of drinking, say sources

    Minimum unit pricing shouldn't affect on licence sales, because on licence prices are way higher than off licence/supermarket prices.

    You'd expect minimum alcohol pricing to help pubs, by closing the difference between on and off licence prices.
    The only alcohol it will really have any effect on is the 2L cheap cider plastic bottles
    It depends how they implement it. Maybe they do want to reduce drinking in pubs. “Let them eat cake serve food.”
    Want to go halves on setting up a chain of speak easies in tea rooms? We could be billionaires.
    “A latte with an ‘extra shot’?”
    Special Tea, as I believe it's known in Muslim countries.
    Years back, I attended a wedding in Morocco.

    I and the other Westerner attending, were sent to get the booze. In a lorry, driven by two policemen in uniform.

    So I was standing on a loading dock, as literal forklifts of booze were being loaded onto the lorry.

    The guy with the clip board looked at me, the wedge of currency and asked "Is it all for you?" (Foreigners only allowed buy booze)

    Quick as a flash, I pointed a thumb at my friend and said "He's Irish"

    The manager nodded and completed the transaction.
    Arf. I have visited the "alcohol and pork" room at the back of a Tangier chain supermarket, no policemen involved. I assume you were in a more observant part of the country.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,239
    Sky showing Big Ben with just 11 minutes to close of transfer season
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,458
    ...
    Leon said:

    For those unacquainted with super yachts, I am in Tivat on Kotor Bay in Montenegro (on assignment for the gazette) and 500m from Porto Montenegro, which is an insane collision of Italian mafiosi and Russian oligarchs and South American drug lords all eating £200 steaks in absurdly overpriced restaurants with their 19 year old “wives”

    https://www.portomontenegro.com/

    They come here because it’s “just” outside the EU yet it uses the euro and feels like Monte Carlo etc

    They are very proud of their Nantgarw (ten miles from Penarth) pottery in the Museum in Kotor town.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,541
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    biggles said:

    CatMan said:

    Then they came for the drinkers…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/30/pub-bosses-warned-government-minimum-alcohol-pricing/

    Pub bosses warned to expect minimum alcohol pricing

    Labour figure warned industry ‘to get its act together’ to tackle harms of drinking, say sources

    Minimum unit pricing shouldn't affect on licence sales, because on licence prices are way higher than off licence/supermarket prices.

    You'd expect minimum alcohol pricing to help pubs, by closing the difference between on and off licence prices.
    The only alcohol it will really have any effect on is the 2L cheap cider plastic bottles
    It depends how they implement it. Maybe they do want to reduce drinking in pubs. “Let them eat cake serve food.”
    Want to go halves on setting up a chain of speak easies in tea rooms? We could be billionaires.
    “A latte with an ‘extra shot’?”
    Special Tea, as I believe it's known in Muslim countries.
    Years back, I attended a wedding in Morocco.

    I and the other Westerner attending, were sent to get the booze. In a lorry, driven by two policemen in uniform.

    So I was standing on a loading dock, as literal forklifts of booze were being loaded onto the lorry.

    The guy with the clip board looked at me, the wedge of currency and asked "Is it all for you?" (Foreigners only allowed buy booze)

    Quick as a flash, I pointed a thumb at my friend and said "He's Irish"

    The manager nodded and completed the transaction.
    Arf. I have visited the "alcohol and pork" room at the back of a Tangier chain supermarket, no policemen involved. I assume you were in a more observant part of the country.
    It was a long while back - they were having a crackdown government at the time. Something about banning smoking outside bars and removing portraits of previous leaders, as well, come to think of it.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,513

    Sky showing Big Ben with just 11 minutes to close of transfer season

    I believe the phrase is ‘slams shut’
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,239

    Sky showing Big Ben with just 11 minutes to close of transfer season

    I believe the phrase is ‘slams shut’
    Apparently some clubs can get a 2 hour extension
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,679
    edited August 30

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Interesting. Also RefUK 19% (+1)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,646
    edited August 30
    Andy_JS said:

    Brazil has suspended X (formerly Twitter).

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y3rnl5qv3o

    Damn, because no Brazilians have ever heard of VPNs over which their government has no control?

    Having a maverick billionaire defender of free speech, is what the world needs right now. Fair play to Elon Musk, for stepping up to the plate.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,300

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Lab will be going sub 30% less than 3 months from taking power...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,239
    edited August 30
    Andy_JS said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Interesting. Also RefUK 19% (+1)
    It is only a matter of time to @HYUFD claiming 45% for the right
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,458
    edited August 30

    Foss said:
    Thanks but the first with Labour on 30%, just a 4 point lead
    Don't worry they'll be OK with swingback.🤣
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,962
    GIN1138 said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Lab will be going sub 30% less than 3 months from taking power...
    Blue dawn.

    :D
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,877
    Andy_JS said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Interesting. Also RefUK 19% (+1)
    Surprised it's not worse for Starmer frankly.

    Reeves has been terrible and I'm not hopefully she'll improve. I guess Starmer had a big win with the riot control so maybe that is what is keeping them at only -3.

    But...

    Winter is coming.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,300
    Is it true that Sue Gray ran a pub in Northern Ireland?

    I bet her "happy hours" were a right barrel of laughs - NOT - lol! 😂
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,679
    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Brazil has suspended X (formerly Twitter).

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y3rnl5qv3o

    Damn, because no Brazilians have ever heard of VPNs over which their government has no control?

    Having a maverick billionaire defender of free speech, is what the world needs right now. Fair play to Elon Musk, for stepping up to the plate.
    They've already taken care of that problem.

    "Michael Shellenberger
    @shellenberger

    Brazil's Supreme Court just banned X and announced an $8,900/day penalty for those who use a VPN to evade it."

    https://x.com/shellenberger/status/1829620047863824639
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,239
    GIN1138 said:

    Is it true that Sue Gray ran a pub in Northern Ireland?

    I bet her "happy hours" were a right barrel of laughs - NOT - lol! 😂

    Yes
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,435
    Leon said:

    For those unacquainted with super yachts, I am in Tivat on Kotor Bay in Montenegro (on assignment for the gazette) and 500m from Porto Montenegro, which is an insane collision of Italian mafiosi and Russian oligarchs and South American drug lords all eating £200 steaks in absurdly overpriced restaurants with their 19 year old “wives”

    https://www.portomontenegro.com/

    They come here because it’s “just” outside the EU yet it uses the euro and feels like Monte Carlo etc

    Here's hoping it doesn't sink ...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,458
    ...

    Sky showing Big Ben with just 11 minutes to close of transfer season

    I believe the phrase is ‘slams shut’
    Apparently some clubs can get a 2 hour extension
    Man Utd? Fergie time lives!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,547
    GIN1138 said:

    First they came for the smokers... Then they came for the drunks...

    This minimum alcohol pricing thing could go extremely badly for Keir Starmer.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,541
    Andy_JS said:

    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Brazil has suspended X (formerly Twitter).

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y3rnl5qv3o

    Damn, because no Brazilians have ever heard of VPNs over which their government has no control?

    Having a maverick billionaire defender of free speech, is what the world needs right now. Fair play to Elon Musk, for stepping up to the plate.
    They've already taken care of that problem.

    "Michael Shellenberger
    @shellenberger

    Brazil's Supreme Court just banned X and announced an $8,900/day penalty for those who use a VPN to evade it."

    https://x.com/shellenberger/status/1829620047863824639
    The same judge frozen accounts belonging to Starlink in Brazil. Which caused the Brazilian Military to get very upset - they use it extensively in the deep jungle. So far Starlink have said they are not cutting service.

    Speculation is that the Brazilian Military is paying via funds overseas. To do an end run round their own court.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,541
    GIN1138 said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Lab will be going sub 30% less than 3 months from taking power...
    Should we start specc'ing out a cross over klaxon?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,815
    Andy_JS said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Interesting. Also RefUK 19% (+1)
    25% unaccounted for. Lots of Greens and LD presumably.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,679

    Andy_JS said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Interesting. Also RefUK 19% (+1)
    It is only a matter of time to @HYUFD claiming 45% for the right
    Right-of-centre would be accurate, not right.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,679
    edited August 30
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Interesting. Also RefUK 19% (+1)
    25% unaccounted for. Lots of Greens and LD presumably.
    I've searched for the figures for the other parties, but they don't seem to be available yet. The article itself is very frustrating, due to the longwinded way in which the numbers are reported.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,679

    Andy_JS said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Interesting. Also RefUK 19% (+1)
    Surprised it's not worse for Starmer frankly.

    Reeves has been terrible and I'm not hopefully she'll improve. I guess Starmer had a big win with the riot control so maybe that is what is keeping them at only -3.

    But...

    Winter is coming.
    I think we're all underestimating the chances of proportional representation being introduced for the next election, because if Labour are on 25% pretty soon and stay there they won't want to face the next election under FPTP having just seen how the Tories fared with that sort of share.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,458
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Interesting. Also RefUK 19% (+1)
    25% unaccounted for. Lots of Greens and LD presumably.
    Shy Tories, obs.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,300

    GIN1138 said:

    First they came for the smokers... Then they came for the drunks...

    This minimum alcohol pricing thing could go extremely badly for Keir Starmer.
    Especially as we're all going to need plenty of booze to get through the next five years,,,
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,300

    GIN1138 said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Lab will be going sub 30% less than 3 months from taking power...
    Should we start specc'ing out a cross over klaxon?

    I'm thinking around 7th November...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,458
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Lab will be going sub 30% less than 3 months from taking power...
    Should we start specc'ing out a cross over klaxon?

    I'm thinking around 7th November...
    A Reform, Labour, Tory tie? Remember the Tories remain despised by the electorate. Redemption will take years.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,591

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Interesting. Also RefUK 19% (+1)
    25% unaccounted for. Lots of Greens and LD presumably.
    Shy Tories, obs.
    TRUSS
  • Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Interesting. Also RefUK 19% (+1)
    25% unaccounted for. Lots of Greens and LD presumably.
    Quite a few new faces at our last constituency meet. So maybe.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,877
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Interesting. Also RefUK 19% (+1)
    Surprised it's not worse for Starmer frankly.

    Reeves has been terrible and I'm not hopefully she'll improve. I guess Starmer had a big win with the riot control so maybe that is what is keeping them at only -3.

    But...

    Winter is coming.
    I think we're all underestimating the chances of proportional representation being introduced for the next election, because if Labour are on 25% pretty soon and stay there they won't want to face the next election under FPTP having just seen how the Tories fared with that sort of share.
    I just can't see a realistic mechanism for doing this. Not in manifesto. Consensus is would need a referendum. Nobody in their right mind wants any more referendums.

    Yeh he could probably ram it through the Commons but no way the Lords are going to agree without months of ping pong.

    Charles III may even say it is too far without a ref.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,994
    malcolmg said:

    sarissa said:

    biggles said:

    sarissa said:

    Leon said:

    Greetings


    Another Aperol spritz advert? That’s so five minutes ago.
    It’s bloomin’ everywhere isn’t it? They must have blown a decade’s PR budget in one summer.
    I hereby declare the new drink du jour is a healthy dash of Limoncello in a champagne flute, topped up with Prosecco - the Chaverol Spritz.
    It is a pleasant drink indeed especially if limoncello is just out of freezer
    You mean it’s a real drink? I was just making something up to wind up Leon.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,332

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    So he has only been PM just over a month and Starmer has already seen Labour's voteshare fall to Ed Miliband 2015 levels. This is certainly a million miles from Blair's 1997 late summer love in with the voters when Labour were on 60% by September with ICM and 59% with Mori and 58% with Gallup and he was almost seen as the next Messiah in the aftermath of Princess Diana's death.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2001_United_Kingdom_general_election

    Tories also up slightly to 26% from the 24% they got in July and Reform up 5% too to 19%
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,332
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Interesting. Also RefUK 19% (+1)
    Surprised it's not worse for Starmer frankly.

    Reeves has been terrible and I'm not hopefully she'll improve. I guess Starmer had a big win with the riot control so maybe that is what is keeping them at only -3.

    But...

    Winter is coming.
    I think we're all underestimating the chances of proportional representation being introduced for the next election, because if Labour are on 25% pretty soon and stay there they won't want to face the next election under FPTP having just seen how the Tories fared with that sort of share.
    On the BMG poll tonight we could even get a Tory and Reform government with PR, combined they are already on 45%
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,332
    Wick Pennsylvania

    Harris 49% Trump 49%
    https://www.youtube.com/live/X773PMNqjsw
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,239
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Interesting. Also RefUK 19% (+1)
    Surprised it's not worse for Starmer frankly.

    Reeves has been terrible and I'm not hopefully she'll improve. I guess Starmer had a big win with the riot control so maybe that is what is keeping them at only -3.

    But...

    Winter is coming.
    I think we're all underestimating the chances of proportional representation being introduced for the next election, because if Labour are on 25% pretty soon and stay there they won't want to face the next election under FPTP having just seen how the Tories fared with that sort of share.
    On the BMG poll tonight we could even get a Tory and Reform government with PR, combined they are already on 45%
    That didn't take long - see my comment at 10.56 tonight. !!!!¡!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,300
    RAYNER would make a better PM. At least she knows how to have a good time :D

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,458
    edited August 30

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Interesting. Also RefUK 19% (+1)
    Surprised it's not worse for Starmer frankly.

    Reeves has been terrible and I'm not hopefully she'll improve. I guess Starmer had a big win with the riot control so maybe that is what is keeping them at only -3.

    But...

    Winter is coming.
    I think we're all underestimating the chances of proportional representation being introduced for the next election, because if Labour are on 25% pretty soon and stay there they won't want to face the next election under FPTP having just seen how the Tories fared with that sort of share.
    On the BMG poll tonight we could even get a Tory and Reform government with PR, combined they are already on 45%
    That didn't take long - see my comment at 10.56 tonight. !!!!¡!
    35 excitable minutes!

    Go back to the Clacton constituency and prepare for Government. Do you think there might be a seat at HY's top table for Lord Johnson of Hartlepool?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,679

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Interesting. Also RefUK 19% (+1)
    Surprised it's not worse for Starmer frankly.

    Reeves has been terrible and I'm not hopefully she'll improve. I guess Starmer had a big win with the riot control so maybe that is what is keeping them at only -3.

    But...

    Winter is coming.
    I think we're all underestimating the chances of proportional representation being introduced for the next election, because if Labour are on 25% pretty soon and stay there they won't want to face the next election under FPTP having just seen how the Tories fared with that sort of share.
    I just can't see a realistic mechanism for doing this. Not in manifesto. Consensus is would need a referendum. Nobody in their right mind wants any more referendums.

    Yeh he could probably ram it through the Commons but no way the Lords are going to agree without months of ping pong.

    Charles III may even say it is too far without a ref.
    Isn't it just the sort of thing the Lords would support these days?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,679

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Interesting. Also RefUK 19% (+1)
    Surprised it's not worse for Starmer frankly.

    Reeves has been terrible and I'm not hopefully she'll improve. I guess Starmer had a big win with the riot control so maybe that is what is keeping them at only -3.

    But...

    Winter is coming.
    I think we're all underestimating the chances of proportional representation being introduced for the next election, because if Labour are on 25% pretty soon and stay there they won't want to face the next election under FPTP having just seen how the Tories fared with that sort of share.
    On the BMG poll tonight we could even get a Tory and Reform government with PR, combined they are already on 45%
    That didn't take long - see my comment at 10.56 tonight. !!!!¡!
    35 excitable minutes!

    Go back to the Clacton constituency and prepare for Government. Do you think there might be a seat at HY's top table for Lord Johnson of Hartlepool?
    He would be the power behind the throne. 😊
  • TresTres Posts: 2,708
    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Brazil has suspended X (formerly Twitter).

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y3rnl5qv3o

    Damn, because no Brazilians have ever heard of VPNs over which their government has no control?

    Having a maverick billionaire defender of free speech, is what the world needs right now. Fair play to Elon Musk, for stepping up to the plate.
    Defender of free speech except for when it's directed as him. We absolutely do not need billionaire hypocrite manchildren spreading hate across the globe.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,591

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Interesting. Also RefUK 19% (+1)
    Surprised it's not worse for Starmer frankly.

    Reeves has been terrible and I'm not hopefully she'll improve. I guess Starmer had a big win with the riot control so maybe that is what is keeping them at only -3.

    But...

    Winter is coming.
    I think we're all underestimating the chances of proportional representation being introduced for the next election, because if Labour are on 25% pretty soon and stay there they won't want to face the next election under FPTP having just seen how the Tories fared with that sort of share.
    I just can't see a realistic mechanism for doing this. Not in manifesto. Consensus is would need a referendum. Nobody in their right mind wants any more referendums.

    Yeh he could probably ram it through the Commons but no way the Lords are going to agree without months of ping pong.

    Charles III may even say it is too far without a ref.
    The idea that PR will be introduced by a Labour government that has just won a landslide under FPP is bonkers. Not going to happen.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,458
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Interesting. Also RefUK 19% (+1)
    Surprised it's not worse for Starmer frankly.

    Reeves has been terrible and I'm not hopefully she'll improve. I guess Starmer had a big win with the riot control so maybe that is what is keeping them at only -3.

    But...

    Winter is coming.
    I think we're all underestimating the chances of proportional representation being introduced for the next election, because if Labour are on 25% pretty soon and stay there they won't want to face the next election under FPTP having just seen how the Tories fared with that sort of share.
    On the BMG poll tonight we could even get a Tory and Reform government with PR, combined they are already on 45%
    That didn't take long - see my comment at 10.56 tonight. !!!!¡!
    35 excitable minutes!

    Go back to the Clacton constituency and prepare for Government. Do you think there might be a seat at HY's top table for Lord Johnson of Hartlepool?
    He would be the power behind the throne. 😊
    Who? HY or Johnson.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,591

    Andy_JS said:

    Is this the first post election poll

    Labour 30 (-3)

    Conservative 26 (+2)

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/voters-labour-dishonest-tax-plans-fuel-duty-rise-3253546

    Interesting. Also RefUK 19% (+1)
    Surprised it's not worse for Starmer frankly.

    Reeves has been terrible and I'm not hopefully she'll improve. I guess Starmer had a big win with the riot control so maybe that is what is keeping them at only -3.

    But...

    Winter is coming.
    Labour will be happy enough with a lead, given they have had to spend the summer telling everyone the truth: that the public finances are up shit creek and therefore we are going to have to cut / means test your goodies.

    The best strategy is to soak up the whining. Do what is necessary. They portray a vision once we are back on track.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,332
    Eton College says it will pass the entire 20% VAT on fees to parents when Labour introduces it in January

    Parents will now have to pay an annual payment of £63,000, up from £53,000

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1829497385359212988
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