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  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,424
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    For those unacquainted with super yachts, I am in Tivat on Kotor Bay in Montenegro (on assignment for the gazette) and 500m from Porto Montenegro, which is an insane collision of Italian mafiosi and Russian oligarchs and South American drug lords all eating £200 steaks in absurdly overpriced restaurants with their 19 year old “wives”

    https://www.portomontenegro.com/

    They come here because it’s “just” outside the EU yet it uses the euro and feels like Monte Carlo etc

    Gorgeous part of the world. Been there twice. Been to Kotor and Herceg Novi. Went through Tivat on a coach trip to Lake Skardar. Never got to see the side of Tivat you are seeing. I just want to go back now.
    Granddaughters Two and Three, both attractive 18 year olds are currently headed towards the Adriatic region. I look forward to their Instagram photos with a mixture of trepidation and interest.
    As do their parents.
    Hope they have a great time

    Kotor Bay, besides having beautiful women, must be one of THE most beautiful places on earth

    I cannot think of anywhere on the Med that matches it, apart from Pelion in Greece (which is also spectacular)
    Thank you. There’s nothing like being young and traveling!
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,586

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    All hinges on what, if anything, the lettings agency told him.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    Nigelb said:

    Jeez.

    BERMAN: Last night you posted a clip from Ms Teen US 2007 -- Caitlin Upton. When you posted that, were you aware she thought about committing suicide for the attention that received?

    JD VANCE: No, certainly not.

    B: Would you like to apologize?

    V: I'm not going to apologize

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1829510846885622191

    Misogyny off the scale, with this ticket.

    It really is.

    And btw that Trump "I'm better looking than Kamala" was imo a way with deniability of saying she slept her way to where she is.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    carnforth said:

    Driver said:

    Leon said:

    Overwhelming number of Brits want pissheads banned from airports.

    Ryanair CEO Michael O'Leary has proposed a two-drink per passenger limit at airports

    Support: 62%

    Oppose: 24%


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828845526168518773

    It’s never going to happen because it’s

    1. Unenforceable

    2. Ridiculous

    And

    3. It wouid send Ryanair bankrupt fast as passengers went to airports that didn’t enforce it and also don’t give a fuck about Ryanair coz they don’t have Ryanair routes
    I don't see why it's unenforceable. They just have to make you scan your boarding pass when ordering.
    Would reduce Lounge pass sales, unless they're excluded.
    Leeds have a 2 drink limit in the lounge unless the staff change while you are there.
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 964

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    I refer the Hon. Gentleman to my previous answer.

    Had anyone written a poem starting "They came for the people wearing rainbow lanyards", that would have been crass and offensive too.

    But honestly. You don't get to do a speech saying you would like to ban rainbow lanyards and then pose as standing up for freedom. Pick. A. Lane.
    Completly different. Wearing a rainbow lanyard in a public job is making a political statement. Banning smoking in private businesses is policing private businesses.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,413
    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,586
    eek said:

    carnforth said:

    Driver said:

    Leon said:

    Overwhelming number of Brits want pissheads banned from airports.

    Ryanair CEO Michael O'Leary has proposed a two-drink per passenger limit at airports

    Support: 62%

    Oppose: 24%


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828845526168518773

    It’s never going to happen because it’s

    1. Unenforceable

    2. Ridiculous

    And

    3. It wouid send Ryanair bankrupt fast as passengers went to airports that didn’t enforce it and also don’t give a fuck about Ryanair coz they don’t have Ryanair routes
    I don't see why it's unenforceable. They just have to make you scan your boarding pass when ordering.
    Would reduce Lounge pass sales, unless they're excluded.
    Leeds have a 2 drink limit in the lounge unless the staff change while you are there.
    I feel the second half of your sentence may not be official policy :-)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,578

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    I have mixed feelings about the Athwal story. On one hand, multiple-property landlords have had a (sometimes deserved) poor reputation for decades, even before Rachman. On the other, tenants can also be sh*ts. If the accusations are true, then he's a sh*t. But evidence needs to be more than a few piccies, and preferably from more than one property.

    But more deeply, this sort of landlord is a small part of why house prices are elevated.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,783

    carnforth said:

    Fffs said:

    Overwhelming number of Brits want pissheads banned from airports.

    Ryanair CEO Michael O'Leary has proposed a two-drink per passenger limit at airports

    Support: 62%

    Oppose: 24%


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828845526168518773

    Maybe he and Starmer could both give each other a reach around.
    Wait a second… how would that even work?!
    Double joints. Or mirrors.
    From my teenage years

    Big bottle of Coke, hip flask sized bottle of vodka/Jack Daniels, merge the two.... Walk into Reading festival etc* with a smile, carrying Coke bottle.

    *Seem to recall that it was John Major's government who made it a legal requirement to allow soft drinks into venues - there were some nasty dehydration incidents, with venues charging even for tap water.
    I have 90s memories of people taking ecstasy then overheating - and being refused water as they went under.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? Maybe he’s hung like a Lippizan. I have also heard REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED

    His problem at the mo is that first impressions - notoriously hard to shift - are now being formed. The first 100 days and all that. And he comes over as a joyless, witless, cyborg-like jerk, stealing money from the old to pay for asylum seekers, and putting kids in prison for memes as he lets actual murderers go free, and he’s promising “things will get worse, before they get… even worse”
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    Yep, the previous MP, Sam Tarry, was to all intents forced out for being a Corbynista.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,278
    edited August 30

    eek said:

    FPT

    Just passed The Cricketeers. A popular pub, near Petersfield.

    Massive blackboard sign on the main road outside. It reads: "Watch out, the fun police are out to get you."

    Cut-through. This government might plumb new depths of unpopularity. And rapidly.

    Depends I quite often avoid pubs where smokers are outside because I don't want to suffer their smoking..
    Fortunately pro cancer Brits are in a minority.

    Britons tend to support the proposed smoking ban in pub gardens and outdoor restaurants

    Strong support: 35%
    Tend to support: 23%
    Tend to oppose: 17%
    Strong oppose: 18%


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1829172165272580618
    Britain is country of snitching and curtain twitching as we saw during lockdown so not a surprise a majority support this.

    Doesn't mean Starmers authoritarianism isn't alarming though... Actually it makes it worse because it makes you wonder just what he's going to be able to get away with...
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    Yep, the previous MP, Sam Tarry, was to all intents forced out for being a Corbynista.
    Early than that, isn't it? I think there was Athwal-Tarry unpleasantness in the runup to 2019 as well.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,578
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? (Snip)
    Perhaps he treats her well?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,278
    Leon said:

    Greetings


    Oh, you're back! 😂
  • On topic - we have actually had five sets of battleground polls over the last few days. Morning Consult have a good past record and are best for Harris. Two others would give Harris a narrower victory. The other two have all the marbles resting on a single tied state. One of those is Emerson who also have a good past record. All five sets of polls show the momentum with Harris despite the Kennedy 'withdrawal'. It is way too close to call.

    Harris has eased through two potentially dangerous moments with the Convention and the CNN interview. The debate is a moment with dangers but also great potential for her. The first debate in 2020 may well have cost Trump that election.

    Check out Trump in Michigan yesterday. In 2016 he bossed the agenda with the Dems constantly reacting to him. This time he does his thing and the Dems just ignore him. He then ends up defending himself and doubling down against new media reaction and so drawing attention to errors like the Arlington debacle. Meanwhile the Dems are happily pursuing their own lines of attack.

    In the end though if the Reps can hold their 2020 states and win Pennsylvania and Georgia then that is that. If they lose either state or North Carolina then it gets very difficult for them.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    Driver said:

    mercator said:

    Tomorrow is the anniversary of one of the greatest tabloid corrections of all time.



    https://x.com/MrPMHarrison/status/1829422300124332542/photo/1

    That is fabulous

    I learnt that news from a Mail on Sunday headline. 9/11 was the first big bit of news I first got off the internet. It said Terrorists fly plane into building in US and I pictured a Cessna flying into a wooden Midwest church or bank sort of thing.
    The company I worked for at the time of 9/11 had a 'wow room', which displayed our products in what was actually a waiting room. I was on a bulletin board (Mono, for those that care/remember), when a poster said that a plane had crashed into the Twin Towers. I went into the wow room, which had many TVs in, and turned the TVs onto live news. I therefore saw the second plane crash happen essentially all around me.

    A day or so later, I was asked to announce the couple of minutes silence that was held outside the company. I have zero idea why I, rather than a more senior manager was asked, but it is something I will always remember with sadness.
    Ah, mono, those were the days...

    I was in Cambridge that day with a friend from Oop North. At the time I was subscribed to a service with my mobile network that sent text messages for breaking news - the first message I got on it was along the lines of "second plane hits Twin Towers, terrorism suspected", and my immediate reaction was "thank you, Sherlock" (I was very young). I wasn't planning on taking my Walkman with me (because, you know, I was supposed to spend all day being sociable with my friend) but for some reason I did, and spent most of the day resenting the weight I was dragging with me - but I was glued to it the rest of the day as we travelled home.
    I was in Cambridge on that day too. I wonder how close we were in proximity...

    Incidentally, I vaguely knew Dave Brownlee, who wrote Mono. A 'scientific' concept was created about him that was called the 'Dave Decay Curve'; and he posited that it was possible to walk from (what is now) the Silicon Roundabout to Stepney in half an hour...
    I never met abs AFAIR at any of the Meets I went to in the late 90s. I joined in 1996 and always felt like a newbie...
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931
    Welcome back, Leon. Good timing. The equivalent of coming back on stage for the encore just as the audience were thinking of putting their coats on and going for a drink before the last train home.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? (Snip)
    Perhaps he treats her well?
    Dunno about you, but in my experience really beautiful women (and Mrs Starmer is still agreeable now, so she must have been a stunner) tend to demand more than “being treated well”. Like - being notably handsome, or very rich, or highly intelligent, or intensely funny, or properly charming, and ideally as many of those all at once (or really amazing as a lover, ofc)

    Starmer was quite handsome as a young man, I guess he was bright, the others are not obvious

    Anyway good luck to the Starmers, I’m not here to critique his family or his marriage, I AM here to critique him as a PM and so far he’s been noticeably poor. Poorer than I expected by a distance
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    I've just voted.

    For Nick Palmer.

    In an AV election.

    It doesn't get better than that.

    2011 referendum:

    No 2 AV 68%
    Yes 2 AV 32%
  • guybrushguybrush Posts: 257
    New Mariana Hyde

    As opposition leader, Starmer always seemed most comfortable when telling off his opposite number. We can all agree that particular succession of prime ministers had much to be told off about – but he will have rather less success if the British public come to feel they are the ones being tutted at


    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/30/iron-lady-consigned-ironing-cupboard-keir-starmer-pledge-do-things-differently

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,413

    I've just voted.

    For Nick Palmer.

    In an AV election.

    It doesn't get better than that.

    You're playing Diplomacy with him?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,355
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? (Snip)
    Perhaps he treats her well?
    Dunno about you, but in my experience really beautiful women (and Mrs Starmer is still agreeable now, so she must have been a stunner) tend to demand more than “being treated well”. Like - being notably handsome, or very rich, or highly intelligent, or intensely funny, or properly charming, and ideally as many of those all at once (or really amazing as a lover, ofc)

    Starmer was quite handsome as a young man, I guess he was bright, the others are not obvious

    Anyway good luck to the Starmers, I’m not here to critique his family or his marriage, I AM here to critique him as a PM and so far he’s been noticeably poor. Poorer than I expected by a distance
    I dunno. I thought people fell in love. I didn't realise it was a business transaction.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    edited August 30
    guybrush said:

    New Mariana Hyde

    As opposition leader, Starmer always seemed most comfortable when telling off his opposite number. We can all agree that particular succession of prime ministers had much to be told off about – but he will have rather less success if the British public come to feel they are the ones being tutted at


    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/30/iron-lady-consigned-ironing-cupboard-keir-starmer-pledge-do-things-differently

    Another straw in the wind. The Guardian has not been especially nice about Starmer recently. They did an op-ed on his catastrophic rose-garden speech which could have almost been in the Telegraph
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218
    edited August 30

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? (Snip)
    Perhaps he treats her well?
    As opposed to one of his recent predecessors. It was fairly clear that his wife would happily have snipped him.

    (And on topic, yeah. Starmer doesn't inspire anyone. He will, at best, be adequate, but that is already priced in. The 2024 result was driven by the combination of uselessnesses, self-indulgence and division on the British right. That might change, but when you look at the Still Standing Six, it's fairly easy to imagine that 2028 will see a mediocre PM beating an obviously useless LotO. 2017/9 only more so.

    Most likely, he steps down as PM of his own accord in 2030 to the dutiful applause given to a supply teacher whose name nobody ever bothered learning but who stopped the lower fourth destroying the chemistry lab.

    After all, if Starmer is rubbish, and the Conservatives lost to him in a landslide... What does that say about them?)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? (Snip)
    Perhaps he treats her well?
    Dunno about you, but in my experience really beautiful women (and Mrs Starmer is still agreeable now, so she must have been a stunner) tend to demand more than “being treated well”. Like - being notably handsome, or very rich, or highly intelligent, or intensely funny, or properly charming, and ideally as many of those all at once (or really amazing as a lover, ofc)

    Starmer was quite handsome as a young man, I guess he was bright, the others are not obvious

    Anyway good luck to the Starmers, I’m not here to critique his family or his marriage, I AM here to critique him as a PM and so far he’s been noticeably poor. Poorer than I expected by a distance
    I dunno. I thought people fell in love. I didn't realise it was a business transaction.
    Yes, it is a transaction. It’s called assortative mating

    You just don’t realise it’s transactional because your genes and hormones do all the paperwork, but it is the case. It is why the rich and beautiful and intelligent tend to marry people with similar qualities, and so on down
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931
    edited August 30
    Nunu5 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    I refer the Hon. Gentleman to my previous answer.

    Had anyone written a poem starting "They came for the people wearing rainbow lanyards", that would have been crass and offensive too.

    But honestly. You don't get to do a speech saying you would like to ban rainbow lanyards and then pose as standing up for freedom. Pick. A. Lane.
    Completly different. Wearing a rainbow lanyard in a public job is making a political statement. Banning smoking in private businesses is policing private businesses.
    They came for the people wearing rainbow lanyards and I didn’t do anything because I don’t like the sort of people that wear rainbow lanyards.
    Then they came for the Diversity Officers and I didn’t do anything because I don’t want my Council Tax to pay for Diversity Officers.
    Then they came for the Librarians and I didn’t do anything because I have a kindle.
    Then they came for the Teachers and I didn’t do anything because my kids have left school.
    Then they came for the bin men and I didn’t do anything because there was nobody left to complain to.
    Then they came for my Council Tax and there wasn’t anything left to pay it for.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,515

    Scott_xP said:

    @thewayafter

    First they called Esther McVey a fucking idiot
    And I did not speak out
    Because she was a fucking idiot.

    Did you call out anyone for calling Brexiteers Nazis over the last few years?
    It's amazing he still hasn't rechannelled his anger yet, even though we have a crypto-socialist government in charge now, and we're getting closer to the EU.
    Closer? I thought sea level was rising?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? (Snip)
    Perhaps he treats her well?
    As opposed to one of his recent predecessors. It was fairly clear that his wife would happily have snipped him.

    (And on topic, yeah. Starmer doesn't inspire anyone. He will, at best, be adequate, but that is already priced in. The 2024 result was driven by the combination of uselessnesses, self-indulgence and division on the British right. That might change, but when you look at the Still Standing Six, it's fairly easy to imagine that 2028 will see a mediocre PM beating an obviously useless LotO. 2017/9 only more so.

    Most likely, he steps down as PM of his own accord in 2030 to the dutiful applause given to a supply teacher whose name nobody ever bothered learning but who stopped the lower fourth destroying the chemistry lab.

    After all, if Starmer is rubbish, and the Conservatives lost to him in a landslide... What does that say about them?)
    It says that the right was divided, that’s all. Starmer got about as many votes as Ed Miliband, and fewer than Corbyn. His personal vote in Camden went down by 18,000!

    No one likes him. If the right sorts itself out he will be gone in 2029, ins’allah
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,578
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? (Snip)
    Perhaps he treats her well?
    Dunno about you, but in my experience really beautiful women (and Mrs Starmer is still agreeable now, so she must have been a stunner) tend to demand more than “being treated well”. Like - being notably handsome, or very rich, or highly intelligent, or intensely funny, or properly charming, and ideally as many of those all at once (or really amazing as a lover, ofc)

    (Snip)
    But 'being treated well' is the minimum. And sadly, too many men don't see it as necessary, and too many women don't expect it.

    I have known several really beautiful women (including, naturally enough, Mrs J), and none of them would have liked their most notable characteristic as being 'really beautiful'. Intelligence, kindness, empathetic, even stylish; yes. Oddly enough, most women I know like to be seen as more than 'beautiful'.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,019
    edited August 30
    Leon said:

    guybrush said:

    New Mariana Hyde

    As opposition leader, Starmer always seemed most comfortable when telling off his opposite number. We can all agree that particular succession of prime ministers had much to be told off about – but he will have rather less success if the British public come to feel they are the ones being tutted at


    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/30/iron-lady-consigned-ironing-cupboard-keir-starmer-pledge-do-things-differently

    Another straw in the wind. The Guardian has not been especially nice about Starmer recently. They did an op-ed on his catastrophic rose-garden speech which could have almost been in the Telegraph
    A boring Starmer combined with a boring Harris is bad for the kind of business the Guardian is in.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? (Snip)
    Perhaps he treats her well?
    Dunno about you, but in my experience really beautiful women (and Mrs Starmer is still agreeable now, so she must have been a stunner) tend to demand more than “being treated well”. Like - being notably handsome, or very rich, or highly intelligent, or intensely funny, or properly charming, and ideally as many of those all at once (or really amazing as a lover, ofc)

    (Snip)
    But 'being treated well' is the minimum. And sadly, too many men don't see it as necessary, and too many women don't expect it.

    I have known several really beautiful women (including, naturally enough, Mrs J), and none of them would have liked their most notable characteristic as being 'really beautiful'. Intelligence, kindness, empathetic, even stylish; yes. Oddly enough, most women I know like to be seen as more than 'beautiful'.
    Any man that doesn’t treat women well, isn’t a man I respect.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,578
    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    mercator said:

    Tomorrow is the anniversary of one of the greatest tabloid corrections of all time.



    https://x.com/MrPMHarrison/status/1829422300124332542/photo/1

    That is fabulous

    I learnt that news from a Mail on Sunday headline. 9/11 was the first big bit of news I first got off the internet. It said Terrorists fly plane into building in US and I pictured a Cessna flying into a wooden Midwest church or bank sort of thing.
    The company I worked for at the time of 9/11 had a 'wow room', which displayed our products in what was actually a waiting room. I was on a bulletin board (Mono, for those that care/remember), when a poster said that a plane had crashed into the Twin Towers. I went into the wow room, which had many TVs in, and turned the TVs onto live news. I therefore saw the second plane crash happen essentially all around me.

    A day or so later, I was asked to announce the couple of minutes silence that was held outside the company. I have zero idea why I, rather than a more senior manager was asked, but it is something I will always remember with sadness.
    Ah, mono, those were the days...

    I was in Cambridge that day with a friend from Oop North. At the time I was subscribed to a service with my mobile network that sent text messages for breaking news - the first message I got on it was along the lines of "second plane hits Twin Towers, terrorism suspected", and my immediate reaction was "thank you, Sherlock" (I was very young). I wasn't planning on taking my Walkman with me (because, you know, I was supposed to spend all day being sociable with my friend) but for some reason I did, and spent most of the day resenting the weight I was dragging with me - but I was glued to it the rest of the day as we travelled home.
    I was in Cambridge on that day too. I wonder how close we were in proximity...

    Incidentally, I vaguely knew Dave Brownlee, who wrote Mono. A 'scientific' concept was created about him that was called the 'Dave Decay Curve'; and he posited that it was possible to walk from (what is now) the Silicon Roundabout to Stepney in half an hour...
    I never met abs AFAIR at any of the Meets I went to in the late 90s. I joined in 1996 and always felt like a newbie...
    I joined Mono in 1992 or 3, before the great crash/purge when it went down for a while. Abs was a regular visitor to the student flat I was in, along with other such as Cheeze(burger).

    I have many happy memories of Mono meets.

    I haven't been on for years, despite having literally years of on-time. I wonder if my account is still active; indeed, if Mono is still going?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? (Snip)
    Perhaps he treats her well?
    Dunno about you, but in my experience really beautiful women (and Mrs Starmer is still agreeable now, so she must have been a stunner) tend to demand more than “being treated well”. Like - being notably handsome, or very rich, or highly intelligent, or intensely funny, or properly charming, and ideally as many of those all at once (or really amazing as a lover, ofc)

    (Snip)
    But 'being treated well' is the minimum. And sadly, too many men don't see it as necessary, and too many women don't expect it.

    I have known several really beautiful women (including, naturally enough, Mrs J), and none of them would have liked their most notable characteristic as being 'really beautiful'. Intelligence, kindness, empathetic, even stylish; yes. Oddly enough, most women I know like to be seen as more than 'beautiful'.
    Truly beautiful women know they are beautiful and, indeed, get bored of being told this and prefer to hear different compliments. And I know whereof I speak as the best man at my wedding literally dated Helena Christensen (“the most beautiful woman in the world”)

    It is the not-quite-beautiful or actually not at all beautiful women who REALLY want to hear they are lovely, because they are insecure. This applies across humanity in many areas
  • mercatormercator Posts: 815

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? (Snip)
    Perhaps he treats her well?
    Dunno about you, but in my experience really beautiful women (and Mrs Starmer is still agreeable now, so she must have been a stunner) tend to demand more than “being treated well”. Like - being notably handsome, or very rich, or highly intelligent, or intensely funny, or properly charming, and ideally as many of those all at once (or really amazing as a lover, ofc)

    Starmer was quite handsome as a young man, I guess he was bright, the others are not obvious

    Anyway good luck to the Starmers, I’m not here to critique his family or his marriage, I AM here to critique him as a PM and so far he’s been noticeably poor. Poorer than I expected by a distance
    I dunno. I thought people fell in love. I didn't realise it was a business transaction.
    Awww

    You think Cupid shoots arrows at random and there's nothing transactional about why, for instance, the princess of Wales looks ever so slightly better than her husband?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Jeez.

    BERMAN: Last night you posted a clip from Ms Teen US 2007 -- Caitlin Upton. When you posted that, were you aware she thought about committing suicide for the attention that received?

    JD VANCE: No, certainly not.

    B: Would you like to apologize?

    V: I'm not going to apologize

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1829510846885622191

    Misogyny off the scale, with this ticket.

    It really is.

    And btw that Trump "I'm better looking than Kamala" was imo a way with deniability of saying she slept her way to where she is.
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Jeez.

    BERMAN: Last night you posted a clip from Ms Teen US 2007 -- Caitlin Upton. When you posted that, were you aware she thought about committing suicide for the attention that received?

    JD VANCE: No, certainly not.

    B: Would you like to apologize?

    V: I'm not going to apologize

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1829510846885622191

    Misogyny off the scale, with this ticket.

    It really is.

    And btw that Trump "I'm better looking than Kamala" was imo a way with deniability of saying she slept her way to where she is.
    He already did that, in plain text.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,278

    Tomorrow is the anniversary of one of the greatest tabloid corrections of all time.



    https://x.com/MrPMHarrison/status/1829422300124332542/photo/1

    Awks... 😂
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,250
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Fffs said:

    Overwhelming number of Brits want pissheads banned from airports.

    Ryanair CEO Michael O'Leary has proposed a two-drink per passenger limit at airports

    Support: 62%

    Oppose: 24%


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828845526168518773

    Maybe he and Starmer could both give each other a reach around.
    Wait a second… how would that even work?!
    Double joints. Or mirrors.
    From my teenage years

    Big bottle of Coke, hip flask sized bottle of vodka/Jack Daniels, merge the two.... Walk into Reading festival etc* with a smile, carrying Coke bottle.

    *Seem to recall that it was John Major's government who made it a legal requirement to allow soft drinks into venues - there were some nasty dehydration incidents, with venues charging even for tap water.
    Sadly, too much water was a problem too:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Leah_Betts

    This was a huge story at the time.
    Indeed. The Dutch all but eliminated such deaths with drug testing.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,250

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    If you farm out all the work, you risk exactly this happening. Some of the shitiest properties are managed by management companies on behalf of landlords who have no idea what is being done in their names.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    mercator said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? (Snip)
    Perhaps he treats her well?
    Dunno about you, but in my experience really beautiful women (and Mrs Starmer is still agreeable now, so she must have been a stunner) tend to demand more than “being treated well”. Like - being notably handsome, or very rich, or highly intelligent, or intensely funny, or properly charming, and ideally as many of those all at once (or really amazing as a lover, ofc)

    Starmer was quite handsome as a young man, I guess he was bright, the others are not obvious

    Anyway good luck to the Starmers, I’m not here to critique his family or his marriage, I AM here to critique him as a PM and so far he’s been noticeably poor. Poorer than I expected by a distance
    I dunno. I thought people fell in love. I didn't realise it was a business transaction.
    Awww

    You think Cupid shoots arrows at random and there's nothing transactional about why, for instance, the princess of Wales looks ever so slightly better than her husband?
    When I met and married my lovely 21 year old wife, at the age of 54, I know it was because she saw something special in my soul, that’s all, and it had nothing to do with the fact I was a rich guy, with a lot of amusing stories, whose job was flying around the world for free, in great style, and she was welcome to come along

    I KNOW that she would also have married me if I was a taciturn dustman of the same age, with a passion for cribbage in his local in Wick
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,424

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? (Snip)
    Perhaps he treats her well?
    As opposed to one of his recent predecessors. It was fairly clear that his wife would happily have snipped him.

    (And on topic, yeah. Starmer doesn't inspire anyone. He will, at best, be adequate, but that is already priced in. The 2024 result was driven by the combination of uselessnesses, self-indulgence and division on the British right. That might change, but when you look at the Still Standing Six, it's fairly easy to imagine that 2028 will see a mediocre PM beating an obviously useless LotO. 2017/9 only more so.

    Most likely, he steps down as PM of his own accord in 2030 to the dutiful applause given to a supply teacher whose name nobody ever bothered learning but who stopped the lower fourth destroying the chemistry lab.

    After all, if Starmer is rubbish, and the Conservatives lost to him in a landslide... What does that say about them?)
    2029 election results in LibDem majority over Reform? Labour 40 or so seats, Conservatives 25 or so.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,578

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    If you farm out all the work, you risk exactly this happening. Some of the shitiest properties are managed by management companies on behalf of landlords who have no idea what is being done in their names.
    They *claim* they don't know, and they don't care enough to check. It's a very convenient excuse for them, isn't it?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? Maybe he’s hung like a Lippizan. I have also heard REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED

    His problem at the mo is that first impressions - notoriously hard to shift - are now being formed. The first 100 days and all that. And he comes over as a joyless, witless, cyborg-like jerk, stealing money from the old to pay for asylum seekers, and putting kids in prison for memes as he lets actual murderers go free, and he’s promising “things will get worse, before they get… even worse”
    If the Tories are paying attention, they will bring in a leader who can defenestrate him with humour.

    Cleverly?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    I stand by my prior observation that - alongside Ukraine - the women of Montenegro are the most beautiful in the world. Rebecca West mentions the beauty of the Montenegrins in “Black Lamb, Grey Falcon”

    Indeed the Montenegrins might just win because they are cheerier and smiliier. God knows why the Ukrainians are so bloody gloomy and grim faced they should get over it

    Wow the ukrainians are gloomy and grim faced and should get over it....you don't think that might be a little to do with your boyfriend trying to invade their country causing lots of deaths, rape and torture.....perhaps you should get a time machine back to the 1940's in belsen and tell all those jewish people to cheer up to?
    Hasn’t crossed your mind that I might be somewhat tongue in cheek? HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN ME THAT QUICKLY??
    No I just used to assume that, these days I just assume you are serious then when your putin lines aren't quite working you class them as a joke and push lower level pro russia lines tbh. You are a putin shill
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,206

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    I have mixed feelings about the Athwal story. On one hand, multiple-property landlords have had a (sometimes deserved) poor reputation for decades, even before Rachman. On the other, tenants can also be sh*ts. If the accusations are true, then he's a sh*t. But evidence needs to be more than a few piccies, and preferably from more than one property.

    But more deeply, this sort of landlord is a small part of why house prices are elevated.
    The quote that got me was "He said he did not take on tenants on housing benefit to avoid conflicts of interest with his role as the local council leader."
    It's a different reason to the usual one, I have to admit. I nearly spat my tea out when I read it, so hard did I laugh.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,578
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? (Snip)
    Perhaps he treats her well?
    Dunno about you, but in my experience really beautiful women (and Mrs Starmer is still agreeable now, so she must have been a stunner) tend to demand more than “being treated well”. Like - being notably handsome, or very rich, or highly intelligent, or intensely funny, or properly charming, and ideally as many of those all at once (or really amazing as a lover, ofc)

    Starmer was quite handsome as a young man, I guess he was bright, the others are not obvious

    Anyway good luck to the Starmers, I’m not here to critique his family or his marriage, I AM here to critique him as a PM and so far he’s been noticeably poor. Poorer than I expected by a distance
    I dunno. I thought people fell in love. I didn't realise it was a business transaction.
    Yes, it is a transaction. It’s called assortative mating

    You just don’t realise it’s transactional because your genes and hormones do all the paperwork, but it is the case. It is why the rich and beautiful and intelligent tend to marry people with similar qualities, and so on down
    'Transactions' explains your fondness for young women of the night?

    I hate to break this to you, but not all relationships are paid...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? (Snip)
    Perhaps he treats her well?
    As opposed to one of his recent predecessors. It was fairly clear that his wife would happily have snipped him.

    (And on topic, yeah. Starmer doesn't inspire anyone. He will, at best, be adequate, but that is already priced in. The 2024 result was driven by the combination of uselessnesses, self-indulgence and division on the British right. That might change, but when you look at the Still Standing Six, it's fairly easy to imagine that 2028 will see a mediocre PM beating an obviously useless LotO. 2017/9 only more so.

    Most likely, he steps down as PM of his own accord in 2030 to the dutiful applause given to a supply teacher whose name nobody ever bothered learning but who stopped the lower fourth destroying the chemistry lab.

    After all, if Starmer is rubbish, and the Conservatives lost to him in a landslide... What does that say about them?)
    It says that the right was divided, that’s all. Starmer got about as many votes as Ed Miliband, and fewer than Corbyn. His personal vote in Camden went down by 18,000!

    No one likes him. If the right sorts itself out he will be gone in 2029, ins’allah
    Miliband 232 seats
    Corbyn (2017) 262 seats
    Corbyn (2019) 202 seats
    Starmer 411 seats
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? (Snip)
    Perhaps he treats her well?
    As opposed to one of his recent predecessors. It was fairly clear that his wife would happily have snipped him.

    (And on topic, yeah. Starmer doesn't inspire anyone. He will, at best, be adequate, but that is already priced in. The 2024 result was driven by the combination of uselessnesses, self-indulgence and division on the British right. That might change, but when you look at the Still Standing Six, it's fairly easy to imagine that 2028 will see a mediocre PM beating an obviously useless LotO. 2017/9 only more so.

    Most likely, he steps down as PM of his own accord in 2030 to the dutiful applause given to a supply teacher whose name nobody ever bothered learning but who stopped the lower fourth destroying the chemistry lab.

    After all, if Starmer is rubbish, and the Conservatives lost to him in a landslide... What does that say about them?)
    2029 election results in LibDem majority over Reform? Labour 40 or so seats, Conservatives 25 or so.
    With the right black swans, I can see a real Green breakthrough.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    I stand by my prior observation that - alongside Ukraine - the women of Montenegro are the most beautiful in the world. Rebecca West mentions the beauty of the Montenegrins in “Black Lamb, Grey Falcon”

    Indeed the Montenegrins might just win because they are cheerier and smiliier. God knows why the Ukrainians are so bloody gloomy and grim faced they should get over it

    Wow the ukrainians are gloomy and grim faced and should get over it....you don't think that might be a little to do with your boyfriend trying to invade their country causing lots of deaths, rape and torture.....perhaps you should get a time machine back to the 1940's in belsen and tell all those jewish people to cheer up to?
    Hasn’t crossed your mind that I might be somewhat tongue in cheek? HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN ME THAT QUICKLY??
    No I just used to assume that, these days I just assume you are serious then when your putin lines aren't quite working you class them as a joke and push lower level pro russia lines tbh. You are a putin shill
    Bless. But no, that was a joke
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? (Snip)
    Perhaps he treats her well?
    Dunno about you, but in my experience really beautiful women (and Mrs Starmer is still agreeable now, so she must have been a stunner) tend to demand more than “being treated well”. Like - being notably handsome, or very rich, or highly intelligent, or intensely funny, or properly charming, and ideally as many of those all at once (or really amazing as a lover, ofc)

    Starmer was quite handsome as a young man, I guess he was bright, the others are not obvious

    Anyway good luck to the Starmers, I’m not here to critique his family or his marriage, I AM here to critique him as a PM and so far he’s been noticeably poor. Poorer than I expected by a distance
    I dunno. I thought people fell in love. I didn't realise it was a business transaction.
    Yes, it is a transaction. It’s called assortative mating

    You just don’t realise it’s transactional because your genes and hormones do all the paperwork, but it is the case. It is why the rich and beautiful and intelligent tend to marry people with similar qualities, and so on down
    'Transactions' explains your fondness for young women of the night?

    I hate to break this to you, but not all relationships are paid...
    Hmmm. Dunno. There’s a reason I always used to pay for dinner and most drinks.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    If you farm out all the work, you risk exactly this happening. Some of the shitiest properties are managed by management companies on behalf of landlords who have no idea what is being done in their names.
    One of the problems with the current operation of capitalism is the number of layers insulating people from the consequences of their actions. Landlords with management companies, school dinner providers who never see a canteen, investment bankers who assume you can just reduce headcount randomly and it will be fine.

    After all, if Athwal wasn't a politician, this would have played out identically, and nobody would have noticed.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    edited August 30

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    If you farm out all the work, you risk exactly this happening. Some of the shitiest properties are managed by management companies on behalf of landlords who have no idea what is being done in their names.
    They *claim* they don't know, and they don't care enough to check. It's a very convenient excuse for them, isn't it?
    Point is, he knows about it now. What's he going to do about it? And what's the Labour Party going to do about it?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900
    How to avoid drunken arseholes on planes:

    Don't fly with Jet2.

    You're welcome
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? (Snip)
    Perhaps he treats her well?
    Dunno about you, but in my experience really beautiful women (and Mrs Starmer is still agreeable now, so she must have been a stunner) tend to demand more than “being treated well”. Like - being notably handsome, or very rich, or highly intelligent, or intensely funny, or properly charming, and ideally as many of those all at once (or really amazing as a lover, ofc)

    Starmer was quite handsome as a young man, I guess he was bright, the others are not obvious

    Anyway good luck to the Starmers, I’m not here to critique his family or his marriage, I AM here to critique him as a PM and so far he’s been noticeably poor. Poorer than I expected by a distance
    I dunno. I thought people fell in love. I didn't realise it was a business transaction.
    Yes, it is a transaction. It’s called assortative mating

    You just don’t realise it’s transactional because your genes and hormones do all the paperwork, but it is the case. It is why the rich and beautiful and intelligent tend to marry people with similar qualities, and so on down
    'Transactions' explains your fondness for young women of the night?

    I hate to break this to you, but not all relationships are paid...
    Whether you like it or not, it is always a transaction in some way

    That doesn’t mean people don’t fall in love, and sometimes they even fall in love with someone totally outrageous and/or unsuitable - nonetheless for 99% of people either at the front or the back of their minds some module in their brain is crunching the numbers. How much am I worth on the marriage market

    He’s rich/I’m pretty. He’s funny/I’m clever. He’s fit but boring/but I’m getting a bit desperate. And so on

    A trillion little equations and then computer says Yes or No
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,578
    I'm finding the Paralympics a much more fascinating and enjoyable watch than the Olympics.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051

    How to avoid drunken arseholes on planes:

    Don't fly with Jet2.

    You're welcome

    Or be 20% more drunk yourself so you don’t notice them.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,647

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    If you farm out all the work, you risk exactly this happening. Some of the shitiest properties are managed by management companies on behalf of landlords who have no idea what is being done in their names.
    I think it works as plausible deniability in many cases. They know what is going on but don't want to confront the fact.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051

    I'm finding the Paralympics a much more fascinating and enjoyable watch than the Olympics.

    Are you watching the blind long jump? Amazing.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Love the Pachinko tile sequence.
    Series 2 Just dropped.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,278
    biggles said:


    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? Maybe he’s hung like a Lippizan. I have also heard REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED

    His problem at the mo is that first impressions - notoriously hard to shift - are now being formed. The first 100 days and all that. And he comes over as a joyless, witless, cyborg-like jerk, stealing money from the old to pay for asylum seekers, and putting kids in prison for memes as he lets actual murderers go free, and he’s promising “things will get worse, before they get… even worse”
    If the Tories are paying attention, they will bring in a leader who can defenestrate him with humour.

    Cleverly?
    Bring back William Hague! :D
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    mercator said:

    Tomorrow is the anniversary of one of the greatest tabloid corrections of all time.



    https://x.com/MrPMHarrison/status/1829422300124332542/photo/1

    That is fabulous

    I learnt that news from a Mail on Sunday headline. 9/11 was the first big bit of news I first got off the internet. It said Terrorists fly plane into building in US and I pictured a Cessna flying into a wooden Midwest church or bank sort of thing.
    The company I worked for at the time of 9/11 had a 'wow room', which displayed our products in what was actually a waiting room. I was on a bulletin board (Mono, for those that care/remember), when a poster said that a plane had crashed into the Twin Towers. I went into the wow room, which had many TVs in, and turned the TVs onto live news. I therefore saw the second plane crash happen essentially all around me.

    A day or so later, I was asked to announce the couple of minutes silence that was held outside the company. I have zero idea why I, rather than a more senior manager was asked, but it is something I will always remember with sadness.
    Ah, mono, those were the days...

    I was in Cambridge that day with a friend from Oop North. At the time I was subscribed to a service with my mobile network that sent text messages for breaking news - the first message I got on it was along the lines of "second plane hits Twin Towers, terrorism suspected", and my immediate reaction was "thank you, Sherlock" (I was very young). I wasn't planning on taking my Walkman with me (because, you know, I was supposed to spend all day being sociable with my friend) but for some reason I did, and spent most of the day resenting the weight I was dragging with me - but I was glued to it the rest of the day as we travelled home.
    I was in Cambridge on that day too. I wonder how close we were in proximity...

    Incidentally, I vaguely knew Dave Brownlee, who wrote Mono. A 'scientific' concept was created about him that was called the 'Dave Decay Curve'; and he posited that it was possible to walk from (what is now) the Silicon Roundabout to Stepney in half an hour...
    I never met abs AFAIR at any of the Meets I went to in the late 90s. I joined in 1996 and always felt like a newbie...
    I joined Mono in 1992 or 3, before the great crash/purge when it went down for a while. Abs was a regular visitor to the student flat I was in, along with other such as Cheeze(burger).

    I have many happy memories of Mono meets.

    I haven't been on for years, despite having literally years of on-time. I wonder if my account is still active; indeed, if Mono is still going?
    Mono is still there. I think I'm technically still staff, but I tend to go on about once every couple of years to see what's happening...
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900
    biggles said:

    How to avoid drunken arseholes on planes:

    Don't fly with Jet2.

    You're welcome

    Or be 20% more drunk yourself so you don’t notice them.
    I'm not sure its possible to get 20% drunker than Jet2 passengers and actually walk up the steps to get on the plane.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,578
    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? (Snip)
    Perhaps he treats her well?
    Dunno about you, but in my experience really beautiful women (and Mrs Starmer is still agreeable now, so she must have been a stunner) tend to demand more than “being treated well”. Like - being notably handsome, or very rich, or highly intelligent, or intensely funny, or properly charming, and ideally as many of those all at once (or really amazing as a lover, ofc)

    Starmer was quite handsome as a young man, I guess he was bright, the others are not obvious

    Anyway good luck to the Starmers, I’m not here to critique his family or his marriage, I AM here to critique him as a PM and so far he’s been noticeably poor. Poorer than I expected by a distance
    I dunno. I thought people fell in love. I didn't realise it was a business transaction.
    Yes, it is a transaction. It’s called assortative mating

    You just don’t realise it’s transactional because your genes and hormones do all the paperwork, but it is the case. It is why the rich and beautiful and intelligent tend to marry people with similar qualities, and so on down
    'Transactions' explains your fondness for young women of the night?

    I hate to break this to you, but not all relationships are paid...
    Hmmm. Dunno. There’s a reason I always used to pay for dinner and most drinks.
    I've never done that on first/second dates, as far as I recall. Not that I've been in that market for 20-odd years...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    edited August 30

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    He's a bad, out of touch, neglectful, currently sitting on his backside landlord. His accommodation quality is poor, he is not fulfilling his responsibilities, his account is not coherent, and his management agents are shit. Making sure it is all in place is *his* responsibility.

    Look at the staircase on the "common parts" photograph on the BBC. It hasn't even got a f*cking handrail for a common route to multiple flats. And the lightbulb was dead - unforgiveable when a normal LED bulb will last years. Has it got emergency lighting? What happens in an emergency when they all have to get down that uneven staircase with no handrail?

    He'll be hammered under the Housing health and safety rating system (HHSRS).

    If the Council take it up, as they should, he has 5 or 6 figures of civil penalties incoming.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,993
    Leon said:

    Greetings


    Another Aperol spritz advert? That’s so five minutes ago.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051

    biggles said:

    How to avoid drunken arseholes on planes:

    Don't fly with Jet2.

    You're welcome

    Or be 20% more drunk yourself so you don’t notice them.
    I'm not sure its possible to get 20% drunker than Jet2 passengers and actually walk up the steps to get on the plane.
    I’m willing to give it a go if you’re buying?
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,246
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? (Snip)
    Perhaps he treats her well?
    Dunno about you, but in my experience really beautiful women (and Mrs Starmer is still agreeable now, so she must have been a stunner) tend to demand more than “being treated well”. Like - being notably handsome, or very rich, or highly intelligent, or intensely funny, or properly charming, and ideally as many of those all at once (or really amazing as a lover, ofc)

    Starmer was quite handsome as a young man, I guess he was bright, the others are not obvious

    Anyway good luck to the Starmers, I’m not here to critique his family or his marriage, I AM here to critique him as a PM and so far he’s been noticeably poor. Poorer than I expected by a distance
    I dunno. I thought people fell in love. I didn't realise it was a business transaction.
    Yes, it is a transaction. It’s called assortative mating

    You just don’t realise it’s transactional because your genes and hormones do all the paperwork, but it is the case. It is why the rich and beautiful and intelligent tend to marry people with similar qualities, and so on down
    'Transactions' explains your fondness for young women of the night?

    I hate to break this to you, but not all relationships are paid...
    Whether you like it or not, it is always a transaction in some way

    That doesn’t mean people don’t fall in love, and sometimes they even fall in love with someone totally outrageous and/or unsuitable - nonetheless for 99% of people either at the front or the back of their minds some module in their brain is crunching the numbers. How much am I worth on the marriage market

    He’s rich/I’m pretty. He’s funny/I’m clever. He’s fit but boring/but I’m getting a bit desperate. And so on

    A trillion little equations and then computer says Yes or No
    Mrs S was filthy rich and I was filthy. Seems to work.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,424
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    He's a bad, out of touch, neglectful landlord. His accommodation quality is poor, he is not fulfilling his responsibilities and his management agents are shit. Making sure it is all in place is *his* responsibility.

    Look at the staircase on the "common parts" photograph on the BBC. It hasn't even got a f*cking handrail. And the lightbulb was dead - unforgiveable when a normal LED bulb will last years. Has it got emergency lighting? What happens in an emergency?

    He'll be hammered under the Housing health and safety rating system (HHSRS).

    If the Council take it up, as they should, he has 5 or 6 figures of civil penalties incoming.
    Sounds like a by-election is on the horizon!
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051
    sarissa said:

    Leon said:

    Greetings


    Another Aperol spritz advert? That’s so five minutes ago.
    It’s bloomin’ everywhere isn’t it? They must have blown a decade’s PR budget in one summer.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,578
    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    mercator said:

    Tomorrow is the anniversary of one of the greatest tabloid corrections of all time.



    https://x.com/MrPMHarrison/status/1829422300124332542/photo/1

    That is fabulous

    I learnt that news from a Mail on Sunday headline. 9/11 was the first big bit of news I first got off the internet. It said Terrorists fly plane into building in US and I pictured a Cessna flying into a wooden Midwest church or bank sort of thing.
    The company I worked for at the time of 9/11 had a 'wow room', which displayed our products in what was actually a waiting room. I was on a bulletin board (Mono, for those that care/remember), when a poster said that a plane had crashed into the Twin Towers. I went into the wow room, which had many TVs in, and turned the TVs onto live news. I therefore saw the second plane crash happen essentially all around me.

    A day or so later, I was asked to announce the couple of minutes silence that was held outside the company. I have zero idea why I, rather than a more senior manager was asked, but it is something I will always remember with sadness.
    Ah, mono, those were the days...

    I was in Cambridge that day with a friend from Oop North. At the time I was subscribed to a service with my mobile network that sent text messages for breaking news - the first message I got on it was along the lines of "second plane hits Twin Towers, terrorism suspected", and my immediate reaction was "thank you, Sherlock" (I was very young). I wasn't planning on taking my Walkman with me (because, you know, I was supposed to spend all day being sociable with my friend) but for some reason I did, and spent most of the day resenting the weight I was dragging with me - but I was glued to it the rest of the day as we travelled home.
    I was in Cambridge on that day too. I wonder how close we were in proximity...

    Incidentally, I vaguely knew Dave Brownlee, who wrote Mono. A 'scientific' concept was created about him that was called the 'Dave Decay Curve'; and he posited that it was possible to walk from (what is now) the Silicon Roundabout to Stepney in half an hour...
    I never met abs AFAIR at any of the Meets I went to in the late 90s. I joined in 1996 and always felt like a newbie...
    I joined Mono in 1992 or 3, before the great crash/purge when it went down for a while. Abs was a regular visitor to the student flat I was in, along with other such as Cheeze(burger).

    I have many happy memories of Mono meets.

    I haven't been on for years, despite having literally years of on-time. I wonder if my account is still active; indeed, if Mono is still going?
    Mono is still there. I think I'm technically still staff, but I tend to go on about once every couple of years to see what's happening...
    PM me your username if you'd like. I probably knew of you, and might even have met you.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218
    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    How to avoid drunken arseholes on planes:

    Don't fly with Jet2.

    You're welcome

    Or be 20% more drunk yourself so you don’t notice them.
    I'm not sure its possible to get 20% drunker than Jet2 passengers and actually walk up the steps to get on the plane.
    I’m willing to give it a go if you’re buying?
    Just to check... You are named after a pilot, and not actually a pilot yourself?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    He's a bad, out of touch, neglectful landlord. His accommodation quality is poor, he is not fulfilling his responsibilities and his management agents are shit. Making sure it is all in place is *his* responsibility.

    Look at the staircase on the "common parts" photograph on the BBC. It hasn't even got a f*cking handrail for a common route to multiple flats. And the lightbulb was dead - unforgiveable when a normal LED bulb will last years. Has it got emergency lighting? What happens in an emergency?

    He'll be hammered under the Housing health and safety rating system (HHSRS).

    If the Council take it up, as they should, he has 5 or 6 figures of civil penalties incoming.
    It also looks REALLY bad when British citizens are paying money to be housed in these shit conditions, and paying it to a Labour MP! - when we all know that thousands cross the Channel every month and get treated much better, for free

    600 yesterday, over 20,000 so far this year. Costing us somewhere between four and seven billion quid a year, and rising

    This is why asylum and migration will destroy this government, and they haven’t got a clue what to do about it
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051

    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    How to avoid drunken arseholes on planes:

    Don't fly with Jet2.

    You're welcome

    Or be 20% more drunk yourself so you don’t notice them.
    I'm not sure its possible to get 20% drunker than Jet2 passengers and actually walk up the steps to get on the plane.
    I’m willing to give it a go if you’re buying?
    Just to check... You are named after a pilot, and not actually a pilot yourself?
    Or I could be one that flies drunk?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900

    biggles said:

    How to avoid drunken arseholes on planes:

    Don't fly with Jet2.

    You're welcome

    Or be 20% more drunk yourself so you don’t notice them.
    I'm not sure its possible to get 20% drunker than Jet2 passengers and actually walk up the steps to get on the plane.
    Darling, hold my hand.
    lol - dunno, my one and only Shit2 experience was *spectacular*
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Jeez.

    BERMAN: Last night you posted a clip from Ms Teen US 2007 -- Caitlin Upton. When you posted that, were you aware she thought about committing suicide for the attention that received?

    JD VANCE: No, certainly not.

    B: Would you like to apologize?

    V: I'm not going to apologize

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1829510846885622191

    Misogyny off the scale, with this ticket.

    It really is.

    And btw that Trump "I'm better looking than Kamala" was imo a way with deniability of saying she slept her way to where she is.
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Jeez.

    BERMAN: Last night you posted a clip from Ms Teen US 2007 -- Caitlin Upton. When you posted that, were you aware she thought about committing suicide for the attention that received?

    JD VANCE: No, certainly not.

    B: Would you like to apologize?

    V: I'm not going to apologize

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1829510846885622191

    Misogyny off the scale, with this ticket.

    It really is.

    And btw that Trump "I'm better looking than Kamala" was imo a way with deniability of saying she slept her way to where she is.
    He already did that, in plain text.
    Really? That's one I missed.

    But anyway, yes, women haters inc. That's core to the platform.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    How to avoid drunken arseholes on planes:

    Don't fly with Jet2.

    You're welcome

    Or be 20% more drunk yourself so you don’t notice them.
    I'm not sure its possible to get 20% drunker than Jet2 passengers and actually walk up the steps to get on the plane.
    I’m willing to give it a go if you’re buying?
    Just to check... You are named after a pilot, and not actually a pilot yourself?
    Or I could be one that flies drunk?
    Kamikaze pilots always drank a glass of Sake before flying.
  • Leon said:

    I stand by my prior observation that - alongside Ukraine - the women of Montenegro are the most beautiful in the world. Rebecca West mentions the beauty of the Montenegrins in “Black Lamb, Grey Falcon”

    Indeed the Montenegrins might just win because they are cheerier and smiliier. God knows why the Ukrainians are so bloody gloomy and grim faced they should get over it

    There are definitely a huge number of beauties among the Ukrainian contingent. My wife thinks the Czech men are the next best of the East European crowd, and there's certainly a disproportionate number of female beauties there, too.

    I haven't visited Montenegro. Aren't they very tall, like the Serbian men and women ?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    edited August 30
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    He's a bad, out of touch, neglectful, currently sitting on his backside landlord. His accommodation quality is poor, he is not fulfilling his responsibilities, his account is not coherent, and his management agents are shit. Making sure it is all in place is *his* responsibility.

    Look at the staircase on the "common parts" photograph on the BBC. It hasn't even got a f*cking handrail for a common route to multiple flats. And the lightbulb was dead - unforgiveable when a normal LED bulb will last years. Has it got emergency lighting? What happens in an emergency when they all have to get down that uneven staircase with no handrail?

    He'll be hammered under the Housing health and safety rating system (HHSRS).

    If the Council take it up, as they should, he has 5 or 6 figures of civil penalties incoming.
    My image quota for the day. Jas Athwal's "commonal area" (known as "common parts") in his set of flats.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,250
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    If you farm out all the work, you risk exactly this happening. Some of the shitiest properties are managed by management companies on behalf of landlords who have no idea what is being done in their names.
    I think it works as plausible deniability in many cases. They know what is going on but don't want to confront the fact.
    Same difference to me.

    Morally the same as the old gag of a Ltd company for every ship (rust bucket death traps), loaded up with debt. Owned offshore.

    So when the ship crashes on the rocks, killing the crew and spewing pollution everywhere, It Wasn’t Me.

    Yeah, right.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,578
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? (Snip)
    Perhaps he treats her well?
    Dunno about you, but in my experience really beautiful women (and Mrs Starmer is still agreeable now, so she must have been a stunner) tend to demand more than “being treated well”. Like - being notably handsome, or very rich, or highly intelligent, or intensely funny, or properly charming, and ideally as many of those all at once (or really amazing as a lover, ofc)

    Starmer was quite handsome as a young man, I guess he was bright, the others are not obvious

    Anyway good luck to the Starmers, I’m not here to critique his family or his marriage, I AM here to critique him as a PM and so far he’s been noticeably poor. Poorer than I expected by a distance
    I dunno. I thought people fell in love. I didn't realise it was a business transaction.
    Yes, it is a transaction. It’s called assortative mating

    You just don’t realise it’s transactional because your genes and hormones do all the paperwork, but it is the case. It is why the rich and beautiful and intelligent tend to marry people with similar qualities, and so on down
    'Transactions' explains your fondness for young women of the night?

    I hate to break this to you, but not all relationships are paid...
    Whether you like it or not, it is always a transaction in some way

    That doesn’t mean people don’t fall in love, and sometimes they even fall in love with someone totally outrageous and/or unsuitable - nonetheless for 99% of people either at the front or the back of their minds some module in their brain is crunching the numbers. How much am I worth on the marriage market

    He’s rich/I’m pretty. He’s funny/I’m clever. He’s fit but boring/but I’m getting a bit desperate. And so on

    A trillion little equations and then computer says Yes or No
    That assumes a rather black-and-white rationality. Love - or perhaps even lust - isn't like that. It can often be utterly irrational. Why does the man or woman who has everything have an affair with someone? They don't turn off the rational side of their mind; it's irrational. But can also (apparently) feel so right.

    I just asked Mrs J why she married me. Her reply: "For the pleasure of hearing you talk piffle" (*)

    (*) Extra points for anyone who recognises the reference.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    edited August 30
    sarissa said:

    Leon said:

    Greetings


    Another Aperol spritz advert? That’s so five minutes ago.
    I was there when they were invented. Well, kinda

    First saw them in Trentino in the early 1990s, in Bolzano to be precise. They were then known as Venezianos, they were an Italo-Germanic invention, with origins in the 1950s-70s, and from that Austro-Hungarian, German speaking part of Italy


    https://www.tuscanynowandmore.com/discover-italy/wine-other-italian-drinks/aperol-spritz
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,625
    Is it me or are a lot of violent crime stories that would normally get national media attention going under the radar at the moment?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900
    My problem with flying and alcohol is that any flight at a time where I can have a beer has me driving at the other end. So yes, let's ban it. Because banning things is the Starmer thing to do apparently.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    How to avoid drunken arseholes on planes:

    Don't fly with Jet2.

    You're welcome

    Or be 20% more drunk yourself so you don’t notice them.
    I'm not sure its possible to get 20% drunker than Jet2 passengers and actually walk up the steps to get on the plane.
    I’m willing to give it a go if you’re buying?
    Just to check... You are named after a pilot, and not actually a pilot yourself?
    Or I could be one that flies drunk?
    Kamikaze pilots always drank a glass of Sake before flying.
    Explains why they were such bad pilots - they were forever crashing their planes.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,928
    Typical, I go away for a few hours and I miss the second third fourth coming.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,941

    Welcome back, Leon. Good timing. The equivalent of coming back on stage for the encore just as the audience were thinking of putting their coats on and going for a drink before the last train home.

    The site is missing a few interesting voices at the moment, not least Horse, 148grss and Carlotta, off the top of my head.

    Leon would like you to think it's boring because he's gone, but a lot of other voices, often extremely cogent ones (even if I disagree with them) have checked out since the election.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051

    Is it me or are a lot of violent crime stories that would normally get national media attention going under the radar at the moment?

    To be fair it’s August. Everything does.
  • Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    For those unacquainted with super yachts, I am in Tivat on Kotor Bay in Montenegro (on assignment for the gazette) and 500m from Porto Montenegro, which is an insane collision of Italian mafiosi and Russian oligarchs and South American drug lords all eating £200 steaks in absurdly overpriced restaurants with their 19 year old “wives”

    https://www.portomontenegro.com/

    They come here because it’s “just” outside the EU yet it uses the euro and feels like Monte Carlo etc

    Gorgeous part of the world. Been there twice. Been to Kotor and Herceg Novi. Went through Tivat on a coach trip to Lake Skardar. Never got to see the side of Tivat you are seeing. I just want to go back now.
    Granddaughters Two and Three, both attractive 18 year olds are currently headed towards the Adriatic region. I look forward to their Instagram photos with a mixture of trepidation and interest.
    As do their parents.
    Hope they have a great time

    Kotor Bay, besides having beautiful women, must be one of THE most beautiful places on earth

    I cannot think of anywhere on the Med that matches it, apart from Pelion in Greece (which is also spectacular)
    Pelion is fantastic. The coast of Arcadia is also recommended.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051
    RobD said:

    Typical, I go away for a few hours and I miss the second third fourth coming.

    Has PB got a pay per view channel now? *Gulp*
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    I stand by my prior observation that - alongside Ukraine - the women of Montenegro are the most beautiful in the world. Rebecca West mentions the beauty of the Montenegrins in “Black Lamb, Grey Falcon”

    Indeed the Montenegrins might just win because they are cheerier and smiliier. God knows why the Ukrainians are so bloody gloomy and grim faced they should get over it

    There are definitely a huge number of beauties among the Ukrainian contingent. My wife thinks the Czech men are the next best of the East European crowd, and there's certainly a disproportionate number of female beauties there, too.

    I haven't visited Montenegro. Aren't they very tall, like the Serbian men and women ?
    They are tall. But not quite that tall

    They are a sunnier version of the Croats (or indeed Ukrainians). Easily as pretty, if not more pretty, but smilier, jollier, and often with nice light tans (with their sunny climate, at least on the coast). Cheekbones and good figures, yet they don’t have that Slavic grumpiness

    As ever - sigh - the young kids are showing evidence of obesity, but it’s not hitting the adults yet

    And with that bravura display of generalisation, I am gonna watch Netflix and chill
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,586

    Leon said:

    I stand by my prior observation that - alongside Ukraine - the women of Montenegro are the most beautiful in the world. Rebecca West mentions the beauty of the Montenegrins in “Black Lamb, Grey Falcon”

    Indeed the Montenegrins might just win because they are cheerier and smiliier. God knows why the Ukrainians are so bloody gloomy and grim faced they should get over it

    There are definitely a huge number of beauties among the Ukrainian contingent. My wife thinks the Czech men are the next best of the East European crowd, and there's certainly a disproportionate number of female beauties there, too.

    I haven't visited Montenegro. Aren't they very tall, like the Serbian men and women ?
    Off topic: just finished this, which includes a chapter on Milosevic. But the whole book is good:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Talk-Devil-Riccardo-Orizio/dp/0436209993/

    His previous book, "Lost white tribes" also excellent.

    Fascinating chap: formerly journalist, now runs a safari operation in Africa. No books since 2002 though.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,246
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    He's a bad, out of touch, neglectful, currently sitting on his backside landlord. His accommodation quality is poor, he is not fulfilling his responsibilities, his account is not coherent, and his management agents are shit. Making sure it is all in place is *his* responsibility.

    Look at the staircase on the "common parts" photograph on the BBC. It hasn't even got a f*cking handrail for a common route to multiple flats. And the lightbulb was dead - unforgiveable when a normal LED bulb will last years. Has it got emergency lighting? What happens in an emergency when they all have to get down that uneven staircase with no handrail?

    He'll be hammered under the Housing health and safety rating system (HHSRS).

    If the Council take it up, as they should, he has 5 or 6 figures of civil penalties incoming.
    My image quota for the day. Jas Athwal's "commonal area" (known as "common parts") in his set of flats.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    In fairness "common parts" is a technical term and does not imply the luxury of a JCR. It's just a normal staircase in a block of flats available to all.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,246

    My problem with flying and alcohol is that any flight at a time where I can have a beer has me driving at the other end. So yes, let's ban it. Because banning things is the Starmer thing to do apparently.

    10 hours of dehydration relieved by a bottle of wine. A warm, humid night in Miami. What could possibly go wrong?

    After 20 years I still blame the rental company for "giving" me (at no extra cost) a car that was a foot wider than the one I ordered.

    I know my limits. In the case of cars it's about 6 feet.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    GIN1138 said:

    biggles said:


    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On Starmer, I have also noticed a huge lack of enthusiasm from my lefty friends. The really lefty ones actively dislike him, “fucking Tory, robbing the old, austerity all over again”, and the Blairite centrists seem…. Disappointed. It’s all shrugs and “meh” and “maybe it will get better, but I dunno”

    I guess you could argue that this is good. He will benefit from low expectations, and that could be true

    However, it’s also become quickly apparent that he is very easy to dislike. The thin, pursed disapproving lips. The puritanical Wokeness which he seems to actively promote. The total lack of any sense of humour at all, like a prototype robot made of 60 year old spam

    Well, he's got that funny story about his parents dog at the palace, hasn't he?
    OMG. Cringe

    How the fuck did he land such a beautiful wife? Maybe he’s hung like a Lippizan. I have also heard REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED

    His problem at the mo is that first impressions - notoriously hard to shift - are now being formed. The first 100 days and all that. And he comes over as a joyless, witless, cyborg-like jerk, stealing money from the old to pay for asylum seekers, and putting kids in prison for memes as he lets actual murderers go free, and he’s promising “things will get worse, before they get… even worse”
    If the Tories are paying attention, they will bring in a leader who can defenestrate him with humour.

    Cleverly?
    Bring back William Hague! :D
    The tories need winston mckenzie in charge
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,928
    edited August 30

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    He's a bad, out of touch, neglectful, currently sitting on his backside landlord. His accommodation quality is poor, he is not fulfilling his responsibilities, his account is not coherent, and his management agents are shit. Making sure it is all in place is *his* responsibility.

    Look at the staircase on the "common parts" photograph on the BBC. It hasn't even got a f*cking handrail for a common route to multiple flats. And the lightbulb was dead - unforgiveable when a normal LED bulb will last years. Has it got emergency lighting? What happens in an emergency when they all have to get down that uneven staircase with no handrail?

    He'll be hammered under the Housing health and safety rating system (HHSRS).

    If the Council take it up, as they should, he has 5 or 6 figures of civil penalties incoming.
    My image quota for the day. Jas Athwal's "commonal area" (known as "common parts") in his set of flats.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    In fairness "common parts" is a technical term and does not imply the luxury of a JCR. It's just a normal staircase in a block of flats available to all.
    No handrail must be against some regulation?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    edited August 30

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Esther McVey MP is getting criticised for this.

    "Esther McVey
    @EstherMcVey1

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a communist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban

    7:20 PM · Aug 29, 2024
    6.4M Views"

    https://x.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1829222646317265152

    She's comparing a smoking ban to the murder of six million Jews, I mean anyone who thinks that lacks the intelligence God gave pistachio nuts.
    Where's her common sense?
    The Jess Philips story is MUCH more disturbing. She’s happily admitting that pro Palestinian people get preferential treatment on the NHS. And she doesn’t even seem embarrassed by it

    She should be sacked by Monday

    Esther mc veys tweet is just bad taste
    Have we done Jas Athwal story yet?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go
    Some comment on it earlier. Personally, I reckon he now has until Monday afternoon to fix it.

    (There's nothing wrong with being a bulk landlord who farms out all the work and rakes in the dosh... But a system where that works as a lifestyle is a bad one.)

    However, Ilford South Labour has been a nest of vipers for a while, hasn't it?
    He's a bad, out of touch, neglectful landlord. His accommodation quality is poor, he is not fulfilling his responsibilities and his management agents are shit. Making sure it is all in place is *his* responsibility.

    Look at the staircase on the "common parts" photograph on the BBC. It hasn't even got a f*cking handrail. And the lightbulb was dead - unforgiveable when a normal LED bulb will last years. Has it got emergency lighting? What happens in an emergency?

    He'll be hammered under the Housing health and safety rating system (HHSRS).

    If the Council take it up, as they should, he has 5 or 6 figures of civil penalties incoming.
    Sounds like a by-election is on the horizon!
    I don't know. There's also a lot of finger jabbing politics here - Andrew Boff, a Tory member of the London Assembly is involved, and there's some information there which would not normally be public such as how many properties he owns. I think the Register of Interests just requires banded income disclosure for >£10k and >£100k.

    But the Tories and the right wing papers will hammer at this, because they are otherwise a naked emperor. And one of these or similar every month or two will be a running sore, especially for Labour.

    Mr Starmer needs to deal with these and fix it firmly before any more emerge, as Alistair Campbell would have done.

    It may be he got away with stuff because he was treated softly as the Borough Council Leader.

    It's doable - Jeremy Hunt has a decent sized rental portfolio, as did the late Labour far-lefter Michael Meacher (at least 9 flats). But these days being unprofessional as a public figure is a big no no.
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