Donald Trump is trying to distance himself from Project 2025. 900 pages with no index. Not quite as off the wall as AC feared but anti-woke and anti-abortion.
That'll go well, since much of it was created by scores of staffer from his own White House.
There's the shorter book written by the head of the Heritage Foundation, if they don't want to rtead the full 900 pages. That has an introduction by JD Vance.
Has @Luckyguy1983 opined yet on the probability of two individuals who humiliated the US tech industry dying in two freak accidents within days of each other?
Has @Luckyguy1983 opined yet on the probability of two individuals who humiliated the US tech industry dying in two freak accidents within days of each other?
It's an extraordinary coincidence, but coincidence is all it is.
Cleverly, Badenoch and Patel - hopelessly flawed in different ways but each has one strong point compared with the others
Jenrick is just bad. Bad for the country in the unlikely event a Conservative Party led by him gets into power. But bad I think for the Conservatives too. He is naturally the favourite to win.
What are the respective strong points of Cleverly, Badenoch and Patel?
Cleverly - relatively normal person compared with the others. The safe choice when maybe they don't need a safe choice Badenoch - clever debater. Will challenge the Labour Party Patel - Willingness to face up to the problems with the party. What it actually needs right now.
It is interesting that James Cleverly was the name mooted as a safe pair of hands to be caretaker leader if Rishi went early.
Tommy The Tug and James Fairly Brightly seem the only sensible choices.
Kemi: boring, cowardly, crap Patel: dim Jenrick: LOL
What do you think of Stride?
Who?
STRIDE
In Derek Raymond's dystopian novel State of Denmark, the fascist party that has taken over England is called 'The New Pace' with the campaign slogan "Forwards With The New Pace". "Forwards With the New Stride" would be an excellent slogan for the Tories
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even longer, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
The Lord Grabiner KC is a hero of mine, we’ve instructed him a few times but more importantly he was the barrister for the current owners of Liverpool FC and won the court case for them to get rid of the previous owners.
PS - It is £3,000 per hour plus VAT and disbursements.
No wonder the country is fecked.
So when the Lord Grabiner came to visit some clients in Manchester from London on the train they paid for the travel time, so it cost them circa £18,000 in travel time alone.
He was worth every penny.
For £18k you could have hired him an helicopter.
So how much better is £150k per week Grabiner than the next one?
Do we need to go all Bart and have twice as many Barristers so the price comes down?
Has @Luckyguy1983 opined yet on the probability of two individuals who humiliated the US tech industry dying in two freak accidents within days of each other?
It's an extraordinary coincidence, but coincidence is all it is.
I haven’t been following it in any depth, using my spare time to read Nate Silver’s new book, instead, but just reading the headlines - my immediate thought was - these people are full-on risk people, living lives and making decisions most people don’t understand.
Maybe the conspiracy theorists might benefit from closing their browser tabs and picking up a copy?
(Not a plug by the way, I haven’t formed an opinion, so far, but the poker anecdotes/game theory stuff at the start - I’ve found rather dull)
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even longer, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
The Lord Grabiner KC is a hero of mine, we’ve instructed him a few times but more importantly he was the barrister for the current owners of Liverpool FC and won the court case for them to get rid of the previous owners.
PS - It is £3,000 per hour plus VAT and disbursements.
No wonder the country is fecked.
So when the Lord Grabiner came to visit some clients in Manchester from London on the train they paid for the travel time, so it cost them circa £18,000 in travel time alone.
He was worth every penny.
For £18k you could have hired him an helicopter.
So how much better is £150k per week Grabiner than the next one?
Do we need to go all Bart and have twice as many Barristers so the price comes down?
Barristers have long controlled the supply of Barristers.
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even longer, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
The Lord Grabiner KC is a hero of mine, we’ve instructed him a few times but more importantly he was the barrister for the current owners of Liverpool FC and won the court case for them to get rid of the previous owners.
PS - It is £3,000 per hour plus VAT and disbursements.
Common sense would have told you that the recusal application had no chance, yet he virtually instructed the PO to go ahead with it. It turns out that he didn't even read the Common Issues (Horizon) judgement, but relied instead on comments from another distinguished barrister, Lord Neuberger, who was equally myopic on this subject.
These are obviously not stupid men, so what were they up to?
Trousering cash.
Their reputations must be regarded as seriously tarnished by their plainly incorrect advice to the PO. I take it they are not short of money. So why do it?
Politics?
Can HMG sue these great legal eagles for malpractice re: PO Horizon?
At least delaaaaaaaay any payment until the turn of the next century!
Cleverly, Badenoch and Patel - hopelessly flawed in different ways but each has one strong point compared with the others
Jenrick is just bad. Bad for the country in the unlikely event a Conservative Party led by him gets into power. But bad I think for the Conservatives too. He is naturally the favourite to win.
Jenrick has a better net approval rating from voters than Patel and Badenoch, about the same as Cleverly and Stride just not as high as Tugendhat has
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even longer, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
The Lord Grabiner KC is a hero of mine, we’ve instructed him a few times but more importantly he was the barrister for the current owners of Liverpool FC and won the court case for them to get rid of the previous owners.
PS - It is £3,000 per hour plus VAT and disbursements.
No wonder the country is fecked.
So when the Lord Grabiner came to visit some clients in Manchester from London on the train they paid for the travel time, so it cost them circa £18,000 in travel time alone.
He was worth every penny.
You seem so proud of them. I bet you even call him "Lord".
No, I called him your Lordship.
Would be apt IF in your quaint accent, it came out as "yer Lardship".
Philip Hoban, of Northcote Crescent in Leeds, was then said to have imitated the manner in which Muslim people pray, in "order to mock their religion", Judge Kearl added.
The court was told Hoban had been making slurs referencing Allah.
He denied this in a police interview, instead saying he was chanting about a man called "Alan".
Tommy The Tug and James Fairly Brightly seem the only sensible choices.
Kemi: boring, cowardly, crap Patel: dim Jenrick: LOL
I am not sure Patel is dim. Her way of speaking, not so much her accent but where she breathes in her sentences, elecution stuff, undermines her. If she mastered public speaking, she'd be listened to way more.
She didn't achieve much as Home Sec, but I can't remember a single one in my politically-aware lifetime who has.
Has @Luckyguy1983 opined yet on the probability of two individuals who humiliated the US tech industry dying in two freak accidents within days of each other?
Philip Hoban, of Northcote Crescent in Leeds, was then said to have imitated the manner in which Muslim people pray, in "order to mock their religion", Judge Kearl added.
The court was told Hoban had been making slurs referencing Allah.
He denied this in a police interview, instead saying he was chanting about a man called "Alan".
Philip Hoban, of Northcote Crescent in Leeds, was then said to have imitated the manner in which Muslim people pray, in "order to mock their religion", Judge Kearl added.
The court was told Hoban had been making slurs referencing Allah.
He denied this in a police interview, instead saying he was chanting about a man called "Alan".
Philip Hoban, of Northcote Crescent in Leeds, was then said to have imitated the manner in which Muslim people pray, in "order to mock their religion", Judge Kearl added.
The court was told Hoban had been making slurs referencing Allah.
He denied this in a police interview, instead saying he was chanting about a man called "Alan".
I assume he did other stuff, but is mocking religion not permitted?
Someone had better tell the Monty Python crew.
It's all about context. Yes, mocking religion is permitted, incitement to racial hatred is not. The courts decide where the line is. IMHO if he had just been imitating the way Muslim people pray then he would not be in this position. However he wasn't and this is evidence for the prosecution.
Has @Luckyguy1983 opined yet on the probability of two individuals who humiliated the US tech industry dying in two freak accidents within days of each other?
Yes, I think it reeks.
You think the global elite conjured up a tornado/waterspout off the coast of Sicily, maybe?
Has @Luckyguy1983 opined yet on the probability of two individuals who humiliated the US tech industry dying in two freak accidents within days of each other?
Has @Luckyguy1983 opined yet on the probability of two individuals who humiliated the US tech industry dying in two freak accidents within days of each other?
Yes, I think it reeks.
Would indeed take a powerful conspiracy to cause the natural disaster that apparently sunk that super-yacht.
Philip Hoban, of Northcote Crescent in Leeds, was then said to have imitated the manner in which Muslim people pray, in "order to mock their religion", Judge Kearl added.
The court was told Hoban had been making slurs referencing Allah.
He denied this in a police interview, instead saying he was chanting about a man called "Alan".
Philip Hoban, of Northcote Crescent in Leeds, was then said to have imitated the manner in which Muslim people pray, in "order to mock their religion", Judge Kearl added.
The court was told Hoban had been making slurs referencing Allah.
He denied this in a police interview, instead saying he was chanting about a man called "Alan".
I assume he did other stuff, but is mocking religion not permitted?
Someone had better tell the Monty Python crew.
It's all about context. Yes, mocking religion is permitted, incitement to racial hatred is not. The courts decide where the line is. IMHO if he had just been imitating the way Muslim people pray then he would not be in this position. However he wasn't and this is evidence for the prosecution.
I just didn't like the reporting in that it was implied the mockery itself was a problem, as opposed to whatever his behaviour was as a whole.
Earlier this month, the far right set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers.
Today, the government announced a "major surge" in deportations and promised to re-open detention centres.
The government could have stood up to the far right. Instead, it pandered to them.
SKS racist Government may as well give their next presser next to some of the right wingers "Pakkis go home" placards instead of the usual Union flags.
Immigration minister Seema Malhotra says the govt wants to deport the highest number of people since 2018.
SKS fans you need to own what you voted for
I didn't vote Labour even here in the fortress of East Ham, yet I'm still curious.
Your longstanding antipathy to Starmer notwithstanding, what would your immigration policy be? Open door? Skills based? Should those who are here illegally be allowed to stay ? What shoulkd we do whose cases for asylum are pending? It's easy to be critical but I'm much more interested in hearing what alternative policy you would support.
My policy would be we need more legal routes globally for those fleeing terror/ war. We should take our fair share of those
Every Palestinian for example should be welcome like the Ukranian ones were even though SKS would never allow that because they are brown and his record of "Israel has the right" makes him complicit in their Genocide.
Beyond that if we need immigrant Labour in certain sectors such as care we need to let sufficient people in for those purposes. So sort of skills based but without the stigma. Not open door but we should also welcome students who are great for our economy and the survival of large swathes of Universities.
Thank you for that response.
I have no issue with a lot of that - my view on here a couple of evenings ago was immigration was three questions - illegal immigration ("the boats"), legal immigration and cultural assimilation.
The former is symbolic - the numbers aren't huge but the psychological impact of video of dinghies arriving and young fit men (seemingly) jumping out and disappearing into the crowd is obvious (and worse for an island people).
Legal immigration is something the Government could change and tighten up if it chose. The current legislation was the post-Brexit response from the "Global Britain" brigade.
Finally, the tricky one - the degree to which immigrants integrate into British society. I've argued there's a discrete British identity evolving which is different from the indigenous identities - the Anglo-Indian identity being one. More recent arrivals will evolve their own identity - there'll be an Anglo-Romanian identity in time. It's not happening quickly or conclusively enough for some.
But what is Pritzker's point? That we should value billionaires' opinions more than anyone else's? Are Democrats saying the Republicans may have been taken over by rich anti-democratic oligarchs, but don't worry we've got just as many billionaires on our side?
Has @Luckyguy1983 opined yet on the probability of two individuals who humiliated the US tech industry dying in two freak accidents within days of each other?
Yes, I think it reeks.
You think the global elite conjured up a tornado/waterspout off the coast of Sicily, maybe?
Cloud seeding, obviously.
[Though as per previous thread, my money is on a downburst rather than a tornado]
But what is Pritzker's point? That we should value billionaires' opinions more than anyone else's? Are Democrats saying the Republicans may have been taken over by rich anti-democratic oligarchs, but don't worry we've got just as many billionaires on our side?
Gov. Pritzker's point is that saying Trump is a really a rich guy (or a really rich guy) is phoney baloney.
But what is Pritzker's point? That we should value billionaires' opinions more than anyone else's? Are Democrats saying the Republicans may have been taken over by rich anti-democratic oligarchs, but don't worry we've got just as many billionaires on our side?
Gov. Pritzker's point is that saying Trump is a really a rich guy (or a really rich guy) is phoney baloney.
Has @Luckyguy1983 opined yet on the probability of two individuals who humiliated the US tech industry dying in two freak accidents within days of each other?
Yes, I think it reeks.
You think the global elite conjured up a tornado/waterspout off the coast of Sicily, maybe?
Foul play, however complicatedly and expensively contrived, seems considerably more probable than the natural mini-disaster you suggest. Eliminate the impossible and all that.
Has @Luckyguy1983 opined yet on the probability of two individuals who humiliated the US tech industry dying in two freak accidents within days of each other?
Yes, I think it reeks.
You think the global elite conjured up a tornado/waterspout off the coast of Sicily, maybe?
Foul play, however complicatedly and expensively contrived, seems considerably more probable than the natural mini-disaster you suggest. Eliminate the impossible and all that.
You really believe that some evil genius is "more probable" than a natural phenomenon known to occur naturally?
Hope you do NOT apply same "logic" to your political betting!
Cleverly, Badenoch and Patel - hopelessly flawed in different ways but each has one strong point compared with the others
Jenrick is just bad. Bad for the country in the unlikely event a Conservative Party led by him gets into power. But bad I think for the Conservatives too. He is naturally the favourite to win.
What are the respective strong points of Cleverly, Badenoch and Patel?
Cleverly - relatively normal person compared with the others. The safe choice when maybe they don't need a safe choice Badenoch - clever debater. Will challenge the Labour Party Patel - Willingness to face up to the problems with the party. What it actually needs right now.
Badenoch will rally the troops, but when the country is looking for opposition on the economy, education and NHS, will she get side-tracked on cultural stuff (which is super important, but not something that scores at the top of concerns for many voters)?
Philip Hoban, of Northcote Crescent in Leeds, was then said to have imitated the manner in which Muslim people pray, in "order to mock their religion", Judge Kearl added.
The court was told Hoban had been making slurs referencing Allah.
He denied this in a police interview, instead saying he was chanting about a man called "Alan".
I assume he did other stuff and as usual the headline is missing something, but is mocking religion not permitted?
Someone had better tell the Monty Python crew [although admittedly they didn't do their stuff outside Westminster Abbey].
Yes, while that all sounds unpleasant behaviour, none of it sounds criminal. And religion is bloody stupid and ought to be mocked. The more sincerely it is believed in, the greater the importance of freedom to mock it.
But what is Pritzker's point? That we should value billionaires' opinions more than anyone else's? Are Democrats saying the Republicans may have been taken over by rich anti-democratic oligarchs, but don't worry we've got just as many billionaires on our side?
Gov. Pritzker's point is that saying Trump is a really a rich guy (or a really rich guy) is phoney baloney.
So he's not a billionaire?
Trump? Sincerely doubt it, based on his criminal trial.
But what is Pritzker's point? That we should value billionaires' opinions more than anyone else's? Are Democrats saying the Republicans may have been taken over by rich anti-democratic oligarchs, but don't worry we've got just as many billionaires on our side?
Gov. Pritzker's point is that saying Trump is a really a rich guy (or a really rich guy) is phoney baloney.
So he's not a billionaire?
Trump? Sincerely doubt it, based on his criminal trial.
He owes I think $584 million in fines alone? Not counting interest or legal fees.
Most of his other money is in Truth Social, which is sinking before he can realise his stock.
Earlier this month, the far right set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers.
Today, the government announced a "major surge" in deportations and promised to re-open detention centres.
The government could have stood up to the far right. Instead, it pandered to them.
SKS racist Government may as well give their next presser next to some of the right wingers "Pakkis go home" placards instead of the usual Union flags.
Immigration minister Seema Malhotra says the govt wants to deport the highest number of people since 2018.
SKS fans you need to own what you voted for
I didn't vote Labour even here in the fortress of East Ham, yet I'm still curious.
Your longstanding antipathy to Starmer notwithstanding, what would your immigration policy be? Open door? Skills based? Should those who are here illegally be allowed to stay ? What shoulkd we do whose cases for asylum are pending? It's easy to be critical but I'm much more interested in hearing what alternative policy you would support.
My policy would be we need more legal routes globally for those fleeing terror/ war. We should take our fair share of those
Every Palestinian for example should be welcome like the Ukranian ones were even though SKS would never allow that because they are brown and his record of "Israel has the right" makes him complicit in their Genocide.
Beyond that if we need immigrant Labour in certain sectors such as care we need to let sufficient people in for those purposes. So sort of skills based but without the stigma. Not open door but we should also welcome students who are great for our economy and the survival of large swathes of Universities.
Palestinians arent really welcome anywhere. Everywhere they have been given refuge they've acted to undermine those nations. There's a reason why Egypt hasnt let them across the border they share in any large numbers.
The Democrat convention looking very Sheffield, 1992.
Except Trump has far higher negatives than Major 1992 did
And the convention looks nothing like Sheffield 1992. (Apart from anything else, it’s massively more professional in terms of media values.)
I get that it might look hubristic to our eyes, but I really don’t think that’s how it comes across in the US. No doubt @SeaShantyIrish2 will weigh in on that.
But what is Pritzker's point? That we should value billionaires' opinions more than anyone else's? Are Democrats saying the Republicans may have been taken over by rich anti-democratic oligarchs, but don't worry we've got just as many billionaires on our side?
Gov. Pritzker's point is that saying Trump is a really a rich guy (or a really rich guy) is phoney baloney.
Call me petit bourgeois if you will but to me a Boeing 757 says rich. It may be on a payment plan but lenders are usually not shy about repossession if payment is not kept up.
Saw that live when I was about 11, it was the first concert I ever went to with a friend rather than family (we got the tickets via a charity, we collected with tins for the charity before and after the show and so missed the first and last songs, but got to see the rest of the concert).
But what is Pritzker's point? That we should value billionaires' opinions more than anyone else's? Are Democrats saying the Republicans may have been taken over by rich anti-democratic oligarchs, but don't worry we've got just as many billionaires on our side?
Gov. Pritzker's point is that saying Trump is a really a rich guy (or a really rich guy) is phoney baloney.
Call me petit bourgeois if you will but to me a Boeing 757 says rich. It may be on a payment plan but lenders are usually not shy about repossession if payment is not kept up.
Don’t laugh, but old 757’s are surprisingly cheap to buy, you can probably get one for £20-30m range depending on hours and condition. Costs about £10,000 an hour to fly it though, and the servicing bills will be horrendous. Absolutely no-one in the airplane servicing industry gives a penny of credit to any private operator.
The Democrat convention looking very Sheffield, 1992.
Except Trump has far higher negatives than Major 1992 did
And the convention looks nothing like Sheffield 1992. (Apart from anything else, it’s massively more professional in terms of media values.)
I get that it might look hubristic to our eyes, but I really don’t think that’s how it comes across in the US. No doubt @SeaShantyIrish2 will weigh in on that.
They all look like that. Every 4 years. Kinnock’s mistake was trying to make his rally look like an American convention, which was off putting to our eyes. In the US this is par for the course.
But what is Pritzker's point? That we should value billionaires' opinions more than anyone else's? Are Democrats saying the Republicans may have been taken over by rich anti-democratic oligarchs, but don't worry we've got just as many billionaires on our side?
Gov. Pritzker's point is that saying Trump is a really a rich guy (or a really rich guy) is phoney baloney.
Call me petit bourgeois if you will but to me a Boeing 757 says rich. It may be on a payment plan but lenders are usually not shy about repossession if payment is not kept up.
Don’t laugh, but old 757’s are surprisingly cheap to buy, you can probably get one for £20-30m range depending on hours and condition. Costs about £10,000 an hour to fly it though, and the servicing bills will be horrendous. Absolutely no-one in the airplane servicing industry gives a penny of credit to any private operator.
Like yachts and horses it's the running costs not the capital outlay that kills you.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. will give a live address on Friday about “his path forward,” a spokeswoman for his independent presidential campaign said on Wednesday.
But what is Pritzker's point? That we should value billionaires' opinions more than anyone else's? Are Democrats saying the Republicans may have been taken over by rich anti-democratic oligarchs, but don't worry we've got just as many billionaires on our side?
Gov. Pritzker's point is that saying Trump is a really a rich guy (or a really rich guy) is phoney baloney.
Call me petit bourgeois if you will but to me a Boeing 757 says rich. It may be on a payment plan but lenders are usually not shy about repossession if payment is not kept up.
Don’t laugh, but old 757’s are surprisingly cheap to buy, you can probably get one for £20-30m range depending on hours and condition. Costs about £10,000 an hour to fly it though, and the servicing bills will be horrendous. Absolutely no-one in the airplane servicing industry gives a penny of credit to any private operator.
Like yachts and horses it's the running costs not the capital outlay that kills you.
Yes, total money pit, will have at least a couple of million a year in fixed costs before it even goes anywhere.
As the old saying goes, if it flies, floats, or f***s, you’re always better off renting it by the hour.
As the other old saying goes, there’s two happy days in plane/boat ownership: the day you buy it, and the day you sell it.
They’ve rented a 737 for Vance and his entourage as well during the campaign, and I suspect Walz will also get a plane at some point. Harris, as sitting VP, gets Air Force Two, another 757 but operated by the military.
Interestingly, both Trump’s and Vance’s planes have had problems in the past couple of weeks. Trump’s had a hydraulic leak requiring a diversion, and Vance’s had a door that didn’t seal properly.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. will give a live address on Friday about “his path forward,” a spokeswoman for his independent presidential campaign said on Wednesday.
NY Times blog
Does it by any chance lead up Trump's arse?
(If he wanted to help Trump, he would probably be better off endorsing Harris. That would worry swing voters.)
But what is Pritzker's point? That we should value billionaires' opinions more than anyone else's? Are Democrats saying the Republicans may have been taken over by rich anti-democratic oligarchs, but don't worry we've got just as many billionaires on our side?
Gov. Pritzker's point is that saying Trump is a really a rich guy (or a really rich guy) is phoney baloney.
Call me petit bourgeois if you will but to me a Boeing 757 says rich. It may be on a payment plan but lenders are usually not shy about repossession if payment is not kept up.
Don’t laugh, but old 757’s are surprisingly cheap to buy, you can probably get one for £20-30m range depending on hours and condition. Costs about £10,000 an hour to fly it though, and the servicing bills will be horrendous. Absolutely no-one in the airplane servicing industry gives a penny of credit to any private operator.
What would you do with a 757 if you bought it, though?
Has @Luckyguy1983 opined yet on the probability of two individuals who humiliated the US tech industry dying in two freak accidents within days of each other?
It's an extraordinary coincidence, but coincidence is all it is.
Philip Hoban, of Northcote Crescent in Leeds, was then said to have imitated the manner in which Muslim people pray, in "order to mock their religion", Judge Kearl added.
The court was told Hoban had been making slurs referencing Allah.
He denied this in a police interview, instead saying he was chanting about a man called "Alan".
But what is Pritzker's point? That we should value billionaires' opinions more than anyone else's? Are Democrats saying the Republicans may have been taken over by rich anti-democratic oligarchs, but don't worry we've got just as many billionaires on our side?
Gov. Pritzker's point is that saying Trump is a really a rich guy (or a really rich guy) is phoney baloney.
Call me petit bourgeois if you will but to me a Boeing 757 says rich. It may be on a payment plan but lenders are usually not shy about repossession if payment is not kept up.
Don’t laugh, but old 757’s are surprisingly cheap to buy, you can probably get one for £20-30m range depending on hours and condition. Costs about £10,000 an hour to fly it though, and the servicing bills will be horrendous. Absolutely no-one in the airplane servicing industry gives a penny of credit to any private operator.
What would you do with a 757 if you bought it, though?
Teach myself to fly it! It’s like a Cessna but a bit bigger, right? Right?
I suspect there’s no more than a dozen or two 757s in private hands, they’re almost obsolete these days, and I suspect they travel with literally tonnes of spare parts on board. It’s the aviation equivalent of running a 2001 S-Class or 7-Series.
Boeing actually sells new 737’s with a bespoke VIP fitout, that they call the BBJ (no sniggering at the back). Aimed at governments, and possibly a few sheiks and oligarchs. £100m plane, but a lot cheaper to run than an old one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Business_Jet
Has @Luckyguy1983 opined yet on the probability of two individuals who humiliated the US tech industry dying in two freak accidents within days of each other?
Yes, I think it reeks.
You think the global elite conjured up a tornado/waterspout off the coast of Sicily, maybe?
Foul play, however complicatedly and expensively contrived, seems considerably more probable than the natural mini-disaster you suggest. Eliminate the impossible and all that.
You do understand, don't you, that improbable things happen all the time. In fact they have to. The probability of you winning the lottery (assuming you have bought a ticket) is immensely improbable, but it happens most weeks to someone. So unlikely events happen all the time. You only notice them when they do. Not all the times that they don't. You don't walk around going I just noticed a lot of improbable things not happening. Once they do happen the probability is no longer very very small but 1 and occasionally that happens.
There is no way that humans can contrive a waterspout to destroy a massive yacht. Yet you think that is more probable. And why would they even if they could. It is much easier to contrive a scenario where he falls out of a window, gets food poisoning or knocked down by a car.
The latter of course is what happened to his colleague. Now that is much easier to contrive, but of course it is also an event that is more probable to happen anyway. For both events to happen so close together is improbable, but we are back to the issue before which is:
Improbable events happen all the time. You notice improbable events happening. You don't notice the vastly more improbable events not happening.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. will give a live address on Friday about “his path forward,” a spokeswoman for his independent presidential campaign said on Wednesday.
NY Times blog
A live address - attended by fifty fewer than Vance's gathering.
Most of the top two polling I have seen shows very little difference in terms of margin than when Kennedy Jnr is included.
The Democrat convention looking very Sheffield, 1992.
Well, alright!
It works in America.
Meanwhile check out Donald's speech in Pennsylvania which was supposed to take the limelight from the Dems. His performance was very low-energy, mumbling his way through and slurring his speech. He just looked so old and tired. Now that doesn't work in America - ask Joe.
Its very early yet but the Reps really need to deal with that narrative before it gets set in stone.
Has @Luckyguy1983 opined yet on the probability of two individuals who humiliated the US tech industry dying in two freak accidents within days of each other?
Yes, I think it reeks.
You think the global elite conjured up a tornado/waterspout off the coast of Sicily, maybe?
Foul play, however complicatedly and expensively contrived, seems considerably more probable than the natural mini-disaster you suggest. Eliminate the impossible and all that.
You do understand, don't you, that improbable things happen all the time. In fact they have to. The probability of you winning the lottery (assuming you have bought a ticket) is immensely improbable, but it happens most weeks to someone. So unlikely events happen all the time. You only notice them when they do. Not all the times that they don't. You don't walk around going I just noticed a lot of improbable things not happening. Once they do happen the probability is no longer very very small but 1 and occasionally that happens.
There is no way that humans can contrive a waterspout to destroy a massive yacht. Yet you think that is more probable. And why would they even if they could. It is much easier to contrive a scenario where he falls out of a window, gets food poisoning or knocked down by a car.
The latter of course is what happened to his colleague. Now that is much easier to contrive, but of course it is also an event that is more probable to happen anyway. For both events to happen so close together is improbable, but we are back to the issue before which is:
Improbable events happen all the time. You notice improbable events happening. You don't notice the vastly more improbable events not happening.
Oh come on, do you really think lottery winners win by *chance*? The odds of that are astronomical.
Has @Luckyguy1983 opined yet on the probability of two individuals who humiliated the US tech industry dying in two freak accidents within days of each other?
Yes, I think it reeks.
You think the global elite conjured up a tornado/waterspout off the coast of Sicily, maybe?
Foul play, however complicatedly and expensively contrived, seems considerably more probable than the natural mini-disaster you suggest. Eliminate the impossible and all that.
You do understand, don't you, that improbable things happen all the time. In fact they have to. The probability of you winning the lottery (assuming you have bought a ticket) is immensely improbable, but it happens most weeks to someone. So unlikely events happen all the time. You only notice them when they do. Not all the times that they don't. You don't walk around going I just noticed a lot of improbable things not happening. Once they do happen the probability is no longer very very small but 1 and occasionally that happens.
There is no way that humans can contrive a waterspout to destroy a massive yacht. Yet you think that is more probable. And why would they even if they could. It is much easier to contrive a scenario where he falls out of a window, gets food poisoning or knocked down by a car.
The latter of course is what happened to his colleague. Now that is much easier to contrive, but of course it is also an event that is more probable to happen anyway. For both events to happen so close together is improbable, but we are back to the issue before which is:
Improbable events happen all the time. You notice improbable events happening. You don't notice the vastly more improbable events not happening.
Derren Brown taught me probability.
Still love the film of him tossing a coin heads 10 times in a row.
Has @Luckyguy1983 opined yet on the probability of two individuals who humiliated the US tech industry dying in two freak accidents within days of each other?
Yes, I think it reeks.
You think the global elite conjured up a tornado/waterspout off the coast of Sicily, maybe?
Foul play, however complicatedly and expensively contrived, seems considerably more probable than the natural mini-disaster you suggest. Eliminate the impossible and all that.
You do understand, don't you, that improbable things happen all the time. In fact they have to. The probability of you winning the lottery (assuming you have bought a ticket) is immensely improbable, but it happens most weeks to someone. So unlikely events happen all the time. You only notice them when they do. Not all the times that they don't. You don't walk around going I just noticed a lot of improbable things not happening. Once they do happen the probability is no longer very very small but 1 and occasionally that happens.
There is no way that humans can contrive a waterspout to destroy a massive yacht. Yet you think that is more probable. And why would they even if they could. It is much easier to contrive a scenario where he falls out of a window, gets food poisoning or knocked down by a car.
The latter of course is what happened to his colleague. Now that is much easier to contrive, but of course it is also an event that is more probable to happen anyway. For both events to happen so close together is improbable, but we are back to the issue before which is:
Improbable events happen all the time. You notice improbable events happening. You don't notice the vastly more improbable events not happening.
Oh come on, do you really think lottery winners win by *chance*? The odds of that are astronomical.
Very good. I do hate it when I write lots of words to explain something and some smart arse comes along with one line that explains it better.
Because 60,000 XL Bullies have been registered while the government thought there were only 10,000.
I'd guess there are up to 100,000 in total; I don't get the sense Bully owners are big on bureaucracy.
Put them down
Would improve the gene pool.
But what do we do with the dogs then?
There is something very interesting about the British psyche that we don't see the XL Bully problem as a crisis for animal welfare.
Hundreds (thousands?) of other dogs and cats have been savaged to death by them. Usually Brits are hyper alert to animal cruelty but apparently only when it's humans doing it. I suppose you can extend that to the popularity of Attenborough documentaries, where you regularly see antelope being eaten alive.
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There's the shorter book written by the head of the Heritage Foundation, if they don't want to rtead the full 900 pages. That has an introduction by JD Vance.
I like that it was to be called Dawn’s Early Light: Burning Down Washington to Save Americ.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/article/2024/aug/07/project-2025-roberts-jd-vance-introduction
Modesty prevents me....etc etc
https://x.com/accidentalp/status/1826249372167979426?s=61
https://road.cc/content/news/olympic-rack-cyclist-matr-richardson-could-face-two-year-ban-309979
Do we need to go all Bart and have twice as many Barristers so the price comes down?
"Man killed by own XL bully dog at home"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdrlkn8m35no
Maybe the conspiracy theorists might benefit from closing their browser tabs and picking up a copy?
(Not a plug by the way, I haven’t formed an opinion, so far, but the poker anecdotes/game theory stuff at the start - I’ve found rather dull)
- Kemi Badenoch: computer science graduate and postgrad, also passed the law exams
- Robert Jenrick: history and politsci graduate, also passed the law exams
- Tom Tugendhat: theology and Islamic studies, then became a soldier
- James Cleverly: hospitality management studies, then became a soldier
- Priti Patel: economics and politsci, then straight into the party
- Mel Stride: PPE, then entrepreneur
So- If the next one is a lawyer then it's 50/50 Badenoch or Jenrick
- If a soldier, Tugendhat or Cleverly.
- Otherwise Stride or Patel.
(I am a six-handed economistFunny that they are so expensive, eh?
No one is opposing the building of social housing or actually affordable housing.
But the Labour Party are totally in the pockets of property developers & private capital.
Dressed up in the language of "economic growth."
SKS fans feel ashamed feel very ashamed Corbyn killed austerity from 2015 even the Tories parent do it.
SKS and austerity Reeves are reinventing it as a political choice
It would go a small way towards explaining “Grabiner”.
At least delaaaaaaaay any payment until the turn of the next century!
https://x.com/ElieNYC/status/1826283680341586072
I wonder how soon he’ll get round to last night’s speeches ?
If anything austerity Reeves may cut deeper than Hunt.
Philip Hoban, of Northcote Crescent in Leeds, was then said to have imitated the manner in which Muslim people pray, in "order to mock their religion", Judge Kearl added.
The court was told Hoban had been making slurs referencing Allah.
He denied this in a police interview, instead saying he was chanting about a man called "Alan".
(The phrase shouted by the crowd was "who the f*ck is Allah?")
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0rwzr4egp0o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaPepCVepCg
She didn't achieve much as Home Sec, but I can't remember a single one in my politically-aware lifetime who has.
Someone had better tell the Monty Python crew [although admittedly they didn't do their stuff outside Westminster Abbey].
I'd guess there are up to 100,000 in total; I don't get the sense Bully owners are big on bureaucracy.
I can almost admire the cojones of someone claiming that.
https://x.com/JamesFallows/status/1826301237144199352
Plenty of prior art for that one.
Although, he tweets through the small hours so his sleep patterns aren't great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgbjQIbuI_s
I have no issue with a lot of that - my view on here a couple of evenings ago was immigration was three questions - illegal immigration ("the boats"), legal immigration and cultural assimilation.
The former is symbolic - the numbers aren't huge but the psychological impact of video of dinghies arriving and young fit men (seemingly) jumping out and disappearing into the crowd is obvious (and worse for an island people).
Legal immigration is something the Government could change and tighten up if it chose. The current legislation was the post-Brexit response from the "Global Britain" brigade.
Finally, the tricky one - the degree to which immigrants integrate into British society. I've argued there's a discrete British identity evolving which is different from the indigenous identities - the Anglo-Indian identity being one. More recent arrivals will evolve their own identity - there'll be an Anglo-Romanian identity in time. It's not happening quickly or conclusively enough for some.
source WA Secretary of State
Allen Lebovitz (Prefers Democratic Party)
194,114 10.2%
Jaime Herrera Beutler (Prefers Republican Party)
419,297 22.03% > advances to general election ballot
Dave Upthegrove (Prefers Democratic Party)
396,300 20.82% > MAY advance pending manatory hand recount
Sue Kuehl Pederson (Prefers Republican Party)
396,249 20.82% > ditto
Patrick DePoe (Prefers Democratic Party)
267,924 14.08%
Jeralee Anderson (Prefers Democratic Party)
84,351 4.43%
Kevin Van De Wege (Prefers Democratic Party)
143,170 7.52%
Write ins
1,668 0.09%
Total Votes 1,903,073
SSI - as you can see, the margin separating 2nd from 3rd place is 51 votes out of 1.9 million cast statewide.
And you can at least see why they came about.
[Though as per previous thread, my money is on a downburst rather than a tornado]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XcTJiTKcRw
Livestream just started.
Just stumbled across the most politically incorrect pop song of all time.
John Farnham — Sadie (The Cleaning Lady).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZeRmpvCjEw
Hope you do NOT apply same "logic" to your political betting!
And religion is bloody stupid and ought to be mocked. The more sincerely it is believed in, the greater the importance of freedom to mock it.
Most of his other money is in Truth Social, which is sinking before he can realise his stock.
Should be this one: running late btw. Start time put back.
LIVE: Donald Trump hosts MAGA rally in North Carolina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuOV7XXK2mw
(Apart from anything else, it’s massively more professional in terms of media values.)
I get that it might look hubristic to our eyes, but I really don’t think that’s how it comes across in the US.
No doubt @SeaShantyIrish2 will weigh in on that.
Saw that live when I was about 11, it was the first concert I ever went to with a friend rather than family (we got the tickets via a charity, we collected with tins for the charity before and after the show and so missed the first and last songs, but got to see the rest of the concert).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuOV7XXK2mw
NY Times blog
Vance is about to speak to a massive crowd of sixty people apparently.
As the old saying goes, if it flies, floats, or f***s, you’re always better off renting it by the hour.
As the other old saying goes, there’s two happy days in plane/boat ownership: the day you buy it, and the day you sell it.
They’ve rented a 737 for Vance and his entourage as well during the campaign, and I suspect Walz will also get a plane at some point. Harris, as sitting VP, gets Air Force Two, another 757 but operated by the military.
Interestingly, both Trump’s and Vance’s planes have had problems in the past couple of weeks. Trump’s had a hydraulic leak requiring a diversion, and Vance’s had a door that didn’t seal properly.
Take your girlfriend out and get two halves of Dickins cider
(If he wanted to help Trump, he would probably be better off endorsing Harris. That would worry swing voters.)
Oh, sorry, you meant the dogs?
But you’re no fun.
I suspect there’s no more than a dozen or two 757s in private hands, they’re almost obsolete these days, and I suspect they travel with literally tonnes of spare parts on board. It’s the aviation equivalent of running a 2001 S-Class or 7-Series.
Boeing actually sells new 737’s with a bespoke VIP fitout, that they call the BBJ (no sniggering at the back). Aimed at governments, and possibly a few sheiks and oligarchs. £100m plane, but a lot cheaper to run than an old one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Business_Jet
There is no way that humans can contrive a waterspout to destroy a massive yacht. Yet you think that is more probable. And why would they even if they could. It is much easier to contrive a scenario where he falls out of a window, gets food poisoning or knocked down by a car.
The latter of course is what happened to his colleague. Now that is much easier to contrive, but of course it is also an event that is more probable to happen anyway. For both events to happen so close together is improbable, but we are back to the issue before which is:
Improbable events happen all the time. You notice improbable events happening. You don't notice the vastly more improbable events not happening.
Most of the top two polling I have seen shows very little difference in terms of margin than when Kennedy Jnr is included.
Meanwhile check out Donald's speech in Pennsylvania which was supposed to take the limelight from the Dems. His performance was very low-energy, mumbling his way through and slurring his speech. He just looked so old and tired. Now that doesn't work in America - ask Joe.
Its very early yet but the Reps really need to deal with that narrative before it gets set in stone.
But what do we do with the dogs then?
Still love the film of him tossing a coin heads 10 times in a row.
The electorate did a decent job of that on July 4th.
Hundreds (thousands?) of other dogs and cats have been savaged to death by them. Usually Brits are hyper alert to animal cruelty but apparently only when it's humans doing it. I suppose you can extend that to the popularity of Attenborough documentaries, where you regularly see antelope being eaten alive.