Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
..."The Trump campaign had initially agreed that Trump would participate in an interview with The Detroit News. But after the newspaper began asking about the Michigan crime data ... the presidential candidate no longer had time for an interview."..
Two bodies recovered from the wreckage of the sunken Bayesian yacht have been confirmed as those of Mike Lynch and his daughter Hannah.
Sicily civil protection chief Salvo Cocina told The Telegraph that two other bodies have been found and are now being recovered by divers.
Mr Cocina added: “On behalf of myself and my colleagues, I would like to express my deepest sympathy to the families of the victims and express our condolences to them at this difficult time”.
..."The Trump campaign had initially agreed that Trump would participate in an interview with The Detroit News. But after the newspaper began asking about the Michigan crime data ... the presidential candidate no longer had time for an interview."..
Two bodies recovered from the wreckage of the sunken Bayesian yacht have been confirmed as those of Mike Lynch and his daughter Hannah.
Sicily civil protection chief Salvo Cocina told The Telegraph that two other bodies have been found and are now being recovered by divers.
Mr Cocina added: “On behalf of myself and my colleagues, I would like to express my deepest sympathy to the families of the victims and express our condolences to them at this difficult time”.
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even longer, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even loger, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
Lol @ the name "Grabiner".
At a certain level I swear silks start inventing stuff out of whole cloth, and because of their reputation someone might take a punt on it - see Pannick's ridiculous private school stuff.
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even longer, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
I can't be arsed looking to see who described the Sri Lankan batting order having a tail like Diplodocus but it is definitely up there with some of the worst cricketing assessments published on this site. I am quite jealous.
I can't be arsed looking to see who described the Sri Lankan batting order having a tail like Diplodocus but it is definitely up there with some of the worst cricketing assessments published on this site. I am quite jealous.
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even longer, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
The Lord Grabiner KC is a hero of mine, we’ve instructed him a few times but more importantly he was the barrister for the current owners of Liverpool FC and won the court case for them to get rid of the previous owners.
PS - It is £3,000 per hour plus VAT and disbursements.
I can't be arsed looking to see who described the Sri Lankan batting order having a tail like Diplodocus but it is definitely up there with some of the worst cricketing assessments published on this site. I am quite jealous.
Are you sure that they didn't invert their batting order?
I can't be arsed looking to see who described the Sri Lankan batting order having a tail like Diplodocus but it is definitely up there with some of the worst cricketing assessments published on this site. I am quite jealous.
I can't be arsed looking to see who described the Sri Lankan batting order having a tail like Diplodocus but it is definitely up there with some of the worst cricketing assessments published on this site. I am quite jealous.
I can't be arsed looking to see who described the Sri Lankan batting order having a tail like Diplodocus but it is definitely up there with some of the worst cricketing assessments published on this site. I am quite jealous.
Are you sure that they didn't invert their batting order?
I'm beginning to wonder if they might fancy declaring at some point and have a go at England's openers tonight.
I can't be arsed looking to see who described the Sri Lankan batting order having a tail like Diplodocus but it is definitely up there with some of the worst cricketing assessments published on this site. I am quite jealous.
Are you sure that they didn't invert their batting order?
I'm beginning to wonder if they might fancy declaring at some point and have a go at England's openers tonight.
I'd be surprised if they survived the day with apparently 34 overs remaining.
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even longer, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
The Lord Grabiner KC is a hero of mine, we’ve instructed him a few times but more importantly he was the barrister for the current owners of Liverpool FC and won the court case for them to get rid of the previous owners.
PS - It is £3,000 per hour plus VAT and disbursements.
Common sense would have told you that the recusal application had no chance, yet he virtually instructed the PO to go ahead with it. It turns out that he didn't even read the Common Issues (Horizon) judgement, but relied instead on comments from another distinguished barrister, Lord Neuberger, who was equally myopic on this subject.
These are obviously not stupid men, so what were they up to?
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even longer, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
The Lord Grabiner KC is a hero of mine, we’ve instructed him a few times but more importantly he was the barrister for the current owners of Liverpool FC and won the court case for them to get rid of the previous owners.
PS - It is £3,000 per hour plus VAT and disbursements.
Common sense would have told you that the recusal application had no chance, yet he virtually instructed the PO to go ahead with it. It turns out that he didn't even read the Common Issues (Horizon) judgement, but relied instead on comments from another distinguished barrister, Lord Neuberger, who was equally myopic on this subject.
These are obviously not stupid men, so what were they up to?
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even loger, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
Lol @ the name "Grabiner".
At a certain level I swear silks start inventing stuff out of whole cloth, and because of their reputation someone might take a punt on it - see Pannick's ridiculous private school stuff.
Lord Pannick & Mike Lynch RIP went to the same school.
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even longer, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
The Lord Grabiner KC is a hero of mine, we’ve instructed him a few times but more importantly he was the barrister for the current owners of Liverpool FC and won the court case for them to get rid of the previous owners.
PS - It is £3,000 per hour plus VAT and disbursements.
Common sense would have told you that the recusal application had no chance, yet he virtually instructed the PO to go ahead with it. It turns out that he didn't even read the Common Issues (Horizon) judgement, but relied instead on comments from another distinguished barrister, Lord Neuberger, who was equally myopic on this subject.
These are obviously not stupid men, so what were they up to?
Trousering cash.
Their reputations must be regarded as seriously tarnished by their plainly incorrect advice to the PO. I take it they are not short of money. So why do it?
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even longer, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
The Lord Grabiner KC is a hero of mine, we’ve instructed him a few times but more importantly he was the barrister for the current owners of Liverpool FC and won the court case for them to get rid of the previous owners.
PS - It is £3,000 per hour plus VAT and disbursements.
Common sense would have told you that the recusal application had no chance, yet he virtually instructed the PO to go ahead with it. It turns out that he didn't even read the Common Issues (Horizon) judgement, but relied instead on comments from another distinguished barrister, Lord Neuberger, who was equally myopic on this subject.
These are obviously not stupid men, so what were they up to?
Trousering cash.
Their reputations must be regarded as seriously tarnished by their plainly incorrect advice to the PO. I take it they are not short of money. So why do it?
Politics?
If work's coming your way whatever you say - and given the state of the PO why wouldn't it - Why bother checking anything - you can spend your actual time preparing for Liverpool FC's cases.
I can't be arsed looking to see who described the Sri Lankan batting order having a tail like Diplodocus but it is definitely up there with some of the worst cricketing assessments published on this site. I am quite jealous.
Are you sure that they didn't invert their batting order?
I'm beginning to wonder if they might fancy declaring at some point and have a go at England's openers tonight.
If you plot the scores on a scatter chart, it does look a bit like a Diplodocus. Mendis is the head, de Silva the body and Rathnayake the tail.
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
Earlier this month, the far right set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers.
Today, the government announced a "major surge" in deportations and promised to re-open detention centres.
The government could have stood up to the far right. Instead, it pandered to them.
SKS racist Government may as well give their next presser next to some of the right wingers "Pakkis go home" placards instead of the usual Union flags.
Immigration minister Seema Malhotra says the govt wants to deport the highest number of people since 2018.
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even longer, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
The Lord Grabiner KC is a hero of mine, we’ve instructed him a few times but more importantly he was the barrister for the current owners of Liverpool FC and won the court case for them to get rid of the previous owners.
PS - It is £3,000 per hour plus VAT and disbursements.
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even longer, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
The Lord Grabiner KC is a hero of mine, we’ve instructed him a few times but more importantly he was the barrister for the current owners of Liverpool FC and won the court case for them to get rid of the previous owners.
PS - It is £3,000 per hour plus VAT and disbursements.
Common sense would have told you that the recusal application had no chance, yet he virtually instructed the PO to go ahead with it. It turns out that he didn't even read the Common Issues (Horizon) judgement, but relied instead on comments from another distinguished barrister, Lord Neuberger, who was equally myopic on this subject.
These are obviously not stupid men, so what were they up to?
Trousering cash.
Their reputations must be regarded as seriously tarnished by their plainly incorrect advice to the PO. I take it they are not short of money. So why do it?
Politics?
If work's coming your way whatever you say - and given the state of the PO why wouldn't it - Why bother checking anything - you can spend your actual time preparing for Liverpool FC's cases.
He was shameless at the Inquiry. It was obvious that the possibilty of miscarriages of justice was the last thing on the mind of this deeply unpleasant man.
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
257 million quid in legal fees to defend/ justify that shower of shit. Lawyers. About as popular as haemorrhoids.
Most people and businesses use lawyers as little as possible when either a) They absolutely have to OR b) Commercially it's necessary.
When it's the public's money and arse covering is the order of the day though there's absolutely no incentive to try and reign the bill in. See also the covid enquiry.
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even longer, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
The Lord Grabiner KC is a hero of mine, we’ve instructed him a few times but more importantly he was the barrister for the current owners of Liverpool FC and won the court case for them to get rid of the previous owners.
PS - It is £3,000 per hour plus VAT and disbursements.
No wonder the country is fecked.
So when the Lord Grabiner came to visit some clients in Manchester from London on the train they paid for the travel time, so it cost them circa £18,000 in travel time alone.
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even longer, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
The Lord Grabiner KC is a hero of mine, we’ve instructed him a few times but more importantly he was the barrister for the current owners of Liverpool FC and won the court case for them to get rid of the previous owners.
PS - It is £3,000 per hour plus VAT and disbursements.
No wonder the country is fecked.
So when the Lord Grabiner came to visit some clients in Manchester from London on the train they paid for the travel time, so it cost them circa £18,000 in travel time alone.
He was worth every penny.
You seem so proud of them. I bet you even call him "Lord".
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even longer, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
The Lord Grabiner KC is a hero of mine, we’ve instructed him a few times but more importantly he was the barrister for the current owners of Liverpool FC and won the court case for them to get rid of the previous owners.
PS - It is £3,000 per hour plus VAT and disbursements.
Common sense would have told you that the recusal application had no chance, yet he virtually instructed the PO to go ahead with it. It turns out that he didn't even read the Common Issues (Horizon) judgement, but relied instead on comments from another distinguished barrister, Lord Neuberger, who was equally myopic on this subject.
These are obviously not stupid men, so what were they up to?
Trousering cash.
Their reputations must be regarded as seriously tarnished by their plainly incorrect advice to the PO. I take it they are not short of money. So why do it?
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
257 million quid in legal fees to defend/ justify that shower of shit. Lawyers. About as popular as haemorrhoids.
Most people and businesses use lawyers as little as possible when either a) They absolutely have to OR b) Commercially it's necessary.
When it's the public's money and arse covering is the order of the day though there's absolutely no incentive to try and reign the bill in. See also the covid enquiry.
It's events like this that make me want to bring back Bills of Attainder for those responsible for such a willful misuse of public funds
Earlier this month, the far right set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers.
Today, the government announced a "major surge" in deportations and promised to re-open detention centres.
The government could have stood up to the far right. Instead, it pandered to them.
SKS racist Government may as well give their next presser next to some of the right wingers "Pakkis go home" placards instead of the usual Union flags.
Immigration minister Seema Malhotra says the govt wants to deport the highest number of people since 2018.
SKS fans you need to own what you voted for
SKS is a master of deception. His crackdown on rioters looks like a declaration of lefty inclusiveness. In fact it's a message to Calais: Look, we got these seriously bad hombres here, so bad we have to jail the ones we catch for five years. You sure you wouldn't be better trying somewhere else?
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
257 million quid in legal fees to defend/ justify that shower of shit. Lawyers. About as popular as haemorrhoids.
Most people and businesses use lawyers as little as possible when either a) They absolutely have to OR b) Commercially it's necessary.
When it's the public's money and arse covering is the order of the day though there's absolutely no incentive to try and reign the bill in. See also the covid enquiry.
It's events like this that make me want to bring back Bills of Attainder for those responsible for such a willful misuse of public funds
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even longer, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
The Lord Grabiner KC is a hero of mine, we’ve instructed him a few times but more importantly he was the barrister for the current owners of Liverpool FC and won the court case for them to get rid of the previous owners.
PS - It is £3,000 per hour plus VAT and disbursements.
No wonder the country is fecked.
So when the Lord Grabiner came to visit some clients in Manchester from London on the train they paid for the travel time, so it cost them circa £18,000 in travel time alone.
He was worth every penny.
You seem so proud of them. I bet you even call him "Lord".
Earlier this month, the far right set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers.
Today, the government announced a "major surge" in deportations and promised to re-open detention centres.
The government could have stood up to the far right. Instead, it pandered to them.
SKS racist Government may as well give their next presser next to some of the right wingers "Pakkis go home" placards instead of the usual Union flags.
Immigration minister Seema Malhotra says the govt wants to deport the highest number of people since 2018.
SKS fans you need to own what you voted for
I didn't vote Labour even here in the fortress of East Ham, yet I'm still curious.
Your longstanding antipathy to Starmer notwithstanding, what would your immigration policy be? Open door? Skills based? Should those who are here illegally be allowed to stay ? What shoulkd we do whose cases for asylum are pending? It's easy to be critical but I'm much more interested in hearing what alternative policy you would support.
Earlier this month, the far right set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers.
Today, the government announced a "major surge" in deportations and promised to re-open detention centres.
The government could have stood up to the far right. Instead, it pandered to them.
SKS racist Government may as well give their next presser next to some of the right wingers "Pakkis go home" placards instead of the usual Union flags.
Immigration minister Seema Malhotra says the govt wants to deport the highest number of people since 2018.
SKS fans you need to own what you voted for
I didn't vote Labour even here in the fortress of East Ham, yet I'm still curious.
Your longstanding antipathy to Starmer notwithstanding, what would your immigration policy be? Open door? Skills based? Should those who are here illegally be allowed to stay ? What shoulkd we do whose cases for asylum are pending? It's easy to be critical but I'm much more interested in hearing what alternative policy you would support.
I think it's very simple. If SKS is for it, @bigjohnowls is against it.
Earlier this month, the far right set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers.
Today, the government announced a "major surge" in deportations and promised to re-open detention centres.
The government could have stood up to the far right. Instead, it pandered to them.
SKS racist Government may as well give their next presser next to some of the right wingers "Pakkis go home" placards instead of the usual Union flags.
Immigration minister Seema Malhotra says the govt wants to deport the highest number of people since 2018.
SKS fans you need to own what you voted for
I didn't vote Labour even here in the fortress of East Ham, yet I'm still curious.
Your longstanding antipathy to Starmer notwithstanding, what would your immigration policy be? Open door? Skills based? Should those who are here illegally be allowed to stay ? What shoulkd we do whose cases for asylum are pending? It's easy to be critical but I'm much more interested in hearing what alternative policy you would support.
I think it's very simple. If SKS is for it, @bigjohnowls is against it.
Earlier this month, the far right set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers.
Today, the government announced a "major surge" in deportations and promised to re-open detention centres.
The government could have stood up to the far right. Instead, it pandered to them.
SKS racist Government may as well give their next presser next to some of the right wingers "Pakkis go home" placards instead of the usual Union flags.
Immigration minister Seema Malhotra says the govt wants to deport the highest number of people since 2018.
SKS fans you need to own what you voted for
I didn't vote Labour even here in the fortress of East Ham, yet I'm still curious.
Your longstanding antipathy to Starmer notwithstanding, what would your immigration policy be? Open door? Skills based? Should those who are here illegally be allowed to stay ? What shoulkd we do whose cases for asylum are pending? It's easy to be critical but I'm much more interested in hearing what alternative policy you would support.
I think it's very simple. If SKS is for it, @bigjohnowls is against it.
SKS is both for it and against it depending on where the votes are, and has no principles on the matter.
I can't be arsed looking to see who described the Sri Lankan batting order having a tail like Diplodocus but it is definitely up there with some of the worst cricketing assessments published on this site. I am quite jealous.
1) It was me; 2) I was talking about England; 3) No assessment will ever better my questioning Alistair Cook's reasoning in putting the Aussies in at Trent Bridge 2015.
Donald Trump is trying to distance himself from Project 2025. 900 pages with no index. Not quite as off the wall as AC feared but anti-woke and anti-abortion.
As I don't have a vote or say in the Conservative leadership contest, my opinion is at best of academic interest (and probably not even that in all honesty).
How will the six candidates seek to distance themselves from the Government of which they were all members (and indeed Cabinet Ministers) at some point between 2010 and 2024? It was interesting Sunak's first comment on the day after the election was a mea culpa.
It might be nice to hear a similar apology or expression of fault from any of the leadership contenders but I suspect I'll have a long wait.
Stodge's Ninth Law of Politics states if you want to get elected you don't tell your electorate things they don't want to hear even (and especially) if it's the truth.
That's going to be the problem - the MPs and membership won't want a damning indictment of 2010-24 (and especially 2019-24). They don't want to hear a litany of failure, of waste, of missed opportunities, of poor decisions and inept governance. They probably should hear it because that's what millions of ex-Conservative voters delivered on July 4th, whether they voted Labour, Reform, Liberal Democrat, Green or stayed at home.
The presence of Reform should help but there's a fundamental question evolving - what's the point of the Conservatives?
Earlier this month, the far right set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers.
Today, the government announced a "major surge" in deportations and promised to re-open detention centres.
The government could have stood up to the far right. Instead, it pandered to them.
SKS racist Government may as well give their next presser next to some of the right wingers "Pakkis go home" placards instead of the usual Union flags.
Immigration minister Seema Malhotra says the govt wants to deport the highest number of people since 2018.
SKS fans you need to own what you voted for
I didn't vote Labour even here in the fortress of East Ham, yet I'm still curious.
Your longstanding antipathy to Starmer notwithstanding, what would your immigration policy be? Open door? Skills based? Should those who are here illegally be allowed to stay ? What shoulkd we do whose cases for asylum are pending? It's easy to be critical but I'm much more interested in hearing what alternative policy you would support.
I think it's very simple. If SKS is for it, @bigjohnowls is against it.
Earlier this month, the far right set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers.
Today, the government announced a "major surge" in deportations and promised to re-open detention centres.
The government could have stood up to the far right. Instead, it pandered to them.
SKS racist Government may as well give their next presser next to some of the right wingers "Pakkis go home" placards instead of the usual Union flags.
Immigration minister Seema Malhotra says the govt wants to deport the highest number of people since 2018.
SKS fans you need to own what you voted for
I didn't vote Labour even here in the fortress of East Ham, yet I'm still curious.
Your longstanding antipathy to Starmer notwithstanding, what would your immigration policy be? Open door? Skills based? Should those who are here illegally be allowed to stay ? What shoulkd we do whose cases for asylum are pending? It's easy to be critical but I'm much more interested in hearing what alternative policy you would support.
I think it's very simple. If SKS is for it, @bigjohnowls is against it.
SKS is both for it and against it depending on where the votes are, and has no principles on the matter.
Earlier this month, the far right set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers.
Today, the government announced a "major surge" in deportations and promised to re-open detention centres.
The government could have stood up to the far right. Instead, it pandered to them.
SKS racist Government may as well give their next presser next to some of the right wingers "Pakkis go home" placards instead of the usual Union flags.
Immigration minister Seema Malhotra says the govt wants to deport the highest number of people since 2018.
SKS fans you need to own what you voted for
I didn't vote Labour even here in the fortress of East Ham, yet I'm still curious.
Your longstanding antipathy to Starmer notwithstanding, what would your immigration policy be? Open door? Skills based? Should those who are here illegally be allowed to stay ? What shoulkd we do whose cases for asylum are pending? It's easy to be critical but I'm much more interested in hearing what alternative policy you would support.
My policy would be we need more legal routes globally for those fleeing terror/ war. We should take our fair share of those
Every Palestinian for example should be welcome like the Ukranian ones were even though SKS would never allow that because they are brown and his record of "Israel has the right" makes him complicit in their Genocide.
Beyond that if we need immigrant Labour in certain sectors such as care we need to let sufficient people in for those purposes. So sort of skills based but without the stigma. Not open door but we should also welcome students who are great for our economy and the survival of large swathes of Universities.
Earlier this month, the far right set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers.
Today, the government announced a "major surge" in deportations and promised to re-open detention centres.
The government could have stood up to the far right. Instead, it pandered to them.
SKS racist Government may as well give their next presser next to some of the right wingers "Pakkis go home" placards instead of the usual Union flags.
Immigration minister Seema Malhotra says the govt wants to deport the highest number of people since 2018.
SKS fans you need to own what you voted for
I didn't vote Labour even here in the fortress of East Ham, yet I'm still curious.
Your longstanding antipathy to Starmer notwithstanding, what would your immigration policy be? Open door? Skills based? Should those who are here illegally be allowed to stay ? What shoulkd we do whose cases for asylum are pending? It's easy to be critical but I'm much more interested in hearing what alternative policy you would support.
I think it's very simple. If SKS is for it, @bigjohnowls is against it.
Earlier this month, the far right set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers.
Today, the government announced a "major surge" in deportations and promised to re-open detention centres.
The government could have stood up to the far right. Instead, it pandered to them.
SKS racist Government may as well give their next presser next to some of the right wingers "Pakkis go home" placards instead of the usual Union flags.
Immigration minister Seema Malhotra says the govt wants to deport the highest number of people since 2018.
SKS fans you need to own what you voted for
I didn't vote Labour even here in the fortress of East Ham, yet I'm still curious.
Your longstanding antipathy to Starmer notwithstanding, what would your immigration policy be? Open door? Skills based? Should those who are here illegally be allowed to stay ? What shoulkd we do whose cases for asylum are pending? It's easy to be critical but I'm much more interested in hearing what alternative policy you would support.
I think it's very simple. If SKS is for it, @bigjohnowls is against it.
SKS is both for it and against it depending on where the votes are, and has no principles on the matter.
I am a Socialist who has consistent principles
And yet support Boris 🤪
Supporting a fat drunken grifter who pays lip service to principles he doesn't believe in and only got where he is due to family connections counts like good socialism, tbh.
Earlier this month, the far right set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers.
Today, the government announced a "major surge" in deportations and promised to re-open detention centres.
The government could have stood up to the far right. Instead, it pandered to them.
SKS racist Government may as well give their next presser next to some of the right wingers "Pakkis go home" placards instead of the usual Union flags.
Immigration minister Seema Malhotra says the govt wants to deport the highest number of people since 2018.
SKS fans you need to own what you voted for
I didn't vote Labour even here in the fortress of East Ham, yet I'm still curious.
Your longstanding antipathy to Starmer notwithstanding, what would your immigration policy be? Open door? Skills based? Should those who are here illegally be allowed to stay ? What shoulkd we do whose cases for asylum are pending? It's easy to be critical but I'm much more interested in hearing what alternative policy you would support.
I think it's very simple. If SKS is for it, @bigjohnowls is against it.
Earlier this month, the far right set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers.
Today, the government announced a "major surge" in deportations and promised to re-open detention centres.
The government could have stood up to the far right. Instead, it pandered to them.
SKS racist Government may as well give their next presser next to some of the right wingers "Pakkis go home" placards instead of the usual Union flags.
Immigration minister Seema Malhotra says the govt wants to deport the highest number of people since 2018.
SKS fans you need to own what you voted for
I didn't vote Labour even here in the fortress of East Ham, yet I'm still curious.
Your longstanding antipathy to Starmer notwithstanding, what would your immigration policy be? Open door? Skills based? Should those who are here illegally be allowed to stay ? What shoulkd we do whose cases for asylum are pending? It's easy to be critical but I'm much more interested in hearing what alternative policy you would support.
I think it's very simple. If SKS is for it, @bigjohnowls is against it.
SKS is both for it and against it depending on where the votes are, and has no principles on the matter.
I am a Socialist who has consistent principles
And yet support Boris 🤪
No supported leveling up in my local area as opposed to shutting down all those projects like Austerity (its my Political choice) Reeves
Cleverly, Badenoch and Patel - hopelessly flawed in different ways but each has one strong point compared with the others
Jenrick is just bad. Bad for the country in the unlikely event a Conservative Party led by him gets into power. But bad I think for the Conservatives too. He is naturally the favourite to win.
Cleverly, Badenoch and Patel - hopelessly flawed in different ways but each has one strong point compared with the others
Jenrick is just bad. Bad for the country in the unlikely event a Conservative Party led by him gets into power. But bad I think for the Conservatives too. He is naturally the favourite to win.
What are the respective strong points of Cleverly, Badenoch and Patel?
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even longer, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
The Lord Grabiner KC is a hero of mine, we’ve instructed him a few times but more importantly he was the barrister for the current owners of Liverpool FC and won the court case for them to get rid of the previous owners.
PS - It is £3,000 per hour plus VAT and disbursements.
No wonder the country is fecked.
So when the Lord Grabiner came to visit some clients in Manchester from London on the train they paid for the travel time, so it cost them circa £18,000 in travel time alone.
Cleverly, Badenoch and Patel - hopelessly flawed in different ways but each has one strong point compared with the others
Jenrick is just bad. Bad for the country in the unlikely event a Conservative Party led by him gets into power. But bad I think for the Conservatives too. He is naturally the favourite to win.
What are the respective strong points of Cleverly, Badenoch and Patel?
Cleverly - relatively normal person compared with the others. The safe choice when maybe they don't need a safe choice Badenoch - clever debater. Will challenge the Labour Party Patel - Willingness to face up to the problems with the party. What it actually needs right now.
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even longer, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
The Lord Grabiner KC is a hero of mine, we’ve instructed him a few times but more importantly he was the barrister for the current owners of Liverpool FC and won the court case for them to get rid of the previous owners.
PS - It is £3,000 per hour plus VAT and disbursements.
Common sense would have told you that the recusal application had no chance, yet he virtually instructed the PO to go ahead with it. It turns out that he didn't even read the Common Issues (Horizon) judgement, but relied instead on comments from another distinguished barrister, Lord Neuberger, who was equally myopic on this subject.
These are obviously not stupid men, so what were they up to?
Trousering cash.
Their reputations must be regarded as seriously tarnished by their plainly incorrect advice to the PO. I take it they are not short of money. So why do it?
Politics?
Cab rank rule applies for these barristers.
That is not what applied in the PO Common Issue case.
The PO deliberately went for the most prestigious (and therefore most expensive) barristers they could get. They seem to have been following the principle of force majeure, which was a tactic they used remorselessly throughout. They could not have done so without Government support of course, so I think we can assume the Government was perfectly happy to see justice suppressed with public money.
Remember that @kinabalu and I both long ago predicted that neither Biden nor Trumpton would run... to much mockery on here...
I hope you've got a bet on it with high odds, just in case it does happen.
I have bets on Vance and Haley at 220 and 260 just in case.
I think the logic @Andy_JS is applying is that the odds of 2.04 and 2.1 imply a probability of 96.6% that either Trump or Harris will win, leaving a 3.6% chance that neither will. I.e, 30s. Harris is very unlikely to drop out. Trump is a possibility for multiple reasons.
Money well spent and it ends up with the best of humanity.
Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
That is of course our money. Few private companies could afford that, and if they could, they would certainly expect better advice than the PO got from its legal consultants. All that expensive advice ever seemed to do was encourage the PO to get itself deeper and deeper in the mire.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even longer, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
The Lord Grabiner KC is a hero of mine, we’ve instructed him a few times but more importantly he was the barrister for the current owners of Liverpool FC and won the court case for them to get rid of the previous owners.
PS - It is £3,000 per hour plus VAT and disbursements.
No wonder the country is fecked.
So when the Lord Grabiner came to visit some clients in Manchester from London on the train they paid for the travel time, so it cost them circa £18,000 in travel time alone.
He was worth every penny.
For £18k you could have hired him an helicopter.
Lord Grabber - "I prefer a coach and pair" @TheScreamingEagles - "Wouldn't a coach and four be faster?" Lord Grabber - "Exactly. Chiz. Chiz"
EDIT: found a picture of Lord Grabber in his younger days
Remember that @kinabalu and I both long ago predicted that neither Biden nor Trumpton would run... to much mockery on here...
I hope you've got a bet on it with high odds, just in case it does happen.
I have bets on Vance and Haley at 220 and 260 just in case.
I think the logic @Andy_JS is applying is that the odds of 2.04 and 2.1 imply a probability of 96.6% that either Trump or Harris will win, leaving a 3.6% chance that neither will. I.e, 30s. Harris is very unlikely to drop out. Trump is a possibility for multiple reasons.
In the good old days of zero interest rates and negligible inflation, there would have been good money to be made laying whoever was 2.05 or 2.1 on any given day, while keeping the book balanced on both of them.
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Post Office ‘has paid £250m to law firms over Horizon IT scandal’
Amount reportedly paid to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers almost equal to payouts for victims
The Post Office has paid out a quarter of a billion pounds in legal fees in relation to the Horizon IT scandal – almost equal to the amount which has been given so far to victims, some of whom were imprisoned and made bankrupt, it has been reported.
The state-owned body paid out £256.9m to 15 law firms and two barristers chambers between September 2014 and March 2024, the Lawyer magazine reported after submitting a freedom of information (FoI) request.
The figure for legal fees is almost the same as the £261m of financial redress that has been paid out to victims of the scandal as of 31 July.
UK government figures show that the £261m has been paid so far to 2,800 claimants across three separate schemes. These include £54m for people who have had their criminal convictions overturned, as well as £126m for post office operatives that had financial shortfalls in their branches, and £80m for claimants in the high court lawsuit brought by the campaigner Sir Alan Bates and 554 post office operatives against the Post Office.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/21/post-office-law-firms-payouts-horizon-it-scandal
Kemi: boring, cowardly, crap
Patel: dim
Jenrick: LOL
..."The Trump campaign had initially agreed that Trump would participate in an interview with The Detroit News. But after the newspaper began asking about the Michigan crime data ... the presidential candidate no longer had time for an interview."..
Trump returns to Michigan to talk crime, but data shows rates dropped after he left office
https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2024/08/20/donald-trump-howell-michigan-crime-campaign-speech-kamala-harris-illegal-immigration/74844154007/
Seriously, worth remembering there is a leadership contest in the Scons as well. No idea who will win.
Edit. Ah, I have read upthread- good idea!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn8756g46j1o
I find myself often using the singular they instead of he/she. Not for any conscious reason. Perhaps it's a cognitive shortcut when I'm tired.
Sicily civil protection chief Salvo Cocina told The Telegraph that two other bodies have been found and are now being recovered by divers.
Mr Cocina added: “On behalf of myself and my colleagues, I would like to express my deepest sympathy to the families of the victims and express our condolences to them at this difficult time”.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/21/bayesian-superyacht-sicily-sinking-missing-mike-lynch/
motorhomeclown car.Earlier this month, the far right set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers.
Today, the government announced a "major surge" in deportations and promised to re-open detention centres.
The government could have stood up to the far right. Instead, it pandered to them.
https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1826233108775256144
Wait till he gets around to watching Obama's speech.
These were no ordinary law firms and barristers dishing out hopeless incorrect and unhelpful advice. One of the most distinguished and expensive barristers in the country, Lord Grabiner, advised the PO to seek the recusal of the Judge who had given the PO short shrift in the crucial Common Issues trial. Grabiner accused the judge of bias. It was a ridulous charge, and in due course it was summarily dismissed as '...misconceived...fatally flawed...untenable and absurd'. It had the consequence however of delaying justice in the Horizon case even longer, and of course Grabiner trousered a lot of money for not much work. (His rate at the time was, I believe, £3,000 per hour, which even TSE would find impressive....although I hasten to add that the chances of getting some sensible advice from Eagles would be considerably better.)
At a certain level I swear silks start inventing stuff out of whole cloth, and because of their reputation someone might take a punt on it - see Pannick's ridiculous private school stuff.
PS - It is £3,000 per hour plus VAT and disbursements.
These are obviously not stupid men, so what were they up to?
Trump 2.04
Harris 2.1
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.176878927
Twenty-four brain samples collected in early 2024 measured on average about 0.5% plastic by weight
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/aug/21/microplastics-brain-pollution-health
Isn't it more to do with RFK's musings that he might endorse Trump ?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/29972371/tory-leadership-candidate-reveals-used-ozempic/
Politics?
The moral of the story? It's good to talk.
https://x.com/RMTunion/status/1826190060410028465
RMT posts 1-minute video in TwiX above.
Lawyers. About as popular as haemorrhoids.
Immigration minister Seema Malhotra says the govt wants to deport the highest number of people since 2018.
SKS fans you need to own what you voted for
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/08/21/watch-russian-soldier-blows-up-base-defecting-ukraine/
a) They absolutely have to OR
b) Commercially it's necessary.
When it's the public's money and arse covering is the order of the day though there's absolutely no incentive to try and reign the bill in.
See also the covid enquiry.
He was worth every penny.
Your longstanding antipathy to Starmer notwithstanding, what would your immigration policy be? Open door? Skills based? Should those who are here illegally be allowed to stay ? What shoulkd we do whose cases for asylum are pending? It's easy to be critical but I'm much more interested in hearing what alternative policy you would support.
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/07/04/history-suggests-lawyer-starmer-was-always-going-to-win-this-election/
I am a Socialist who has consistent principles
2) I was talking about England;
3) No assessment will ever better my questioning Alistair Cook's reasoning in putting the Aussies in at Trent Bridge 2015.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU75265wXzA
Donald Trump is trying to distance himself from Project 2025. 900 pages with no index. Not quite as off the wall as AC feared but anti-woke and anti-abortion.
How will the six candidates seek to distance themselves from the Government of which they were all members (and indeed Cabinet Ministers) at some point between 2010 and 2024? It was interesting Sunak's first comment on the day after the election was a mea culpa.
It might be nice to hear a similar apology or expression of fault from any of the leadership contenders but I suspect I'll have a long wait.
Stodge's Ninth Law of Politics states if you want to get elected you don't tell your electorate things they don't want to hear even (and especially) if it's the truth.
That's going to be the problem - the MPs and membership won't want a damning indictment of 2010-24 (and especially 2019-24). They don't want to hear a litany of failure, of waste, of missed opportunities, of poor decisions and inept governance. They probably should hear it because that's what millions of ex-Conservative voters delivered on July 4th, whether they voted Labour, Reform, Liberal Democrat, Green or stayed at home.
The presence of Reform should help but there's a fundamental question evolving - what's the point of the Conservatives?
Every Palestinian for example should be welcome like the Ukranian ones were even though SKS would never allow that because they are brown and his record of "Israel has the right" makes him complicit in their Genocide.
Beyond that if we need immigrant Labour in certain sectors such as care we need to let sufficient people in for those purposes. So sort of skills based but without the stigma. Not open door but we should also welcome students who are great for our economy and the survival of large swathes of Universities.
Cleverly, Badenoch and Patel - hopelessly flawed in different ways but each has one strong point compared with the others
Jenrick is just bad. Bad for the country in the unlikely event a Conservative Party led by him gets into power. But bad I think for the Conservatives too. He is naturally the favourite to win.
Badenoch - clever debater. Will challenge the Labour Party
Patel - Willingness to face up to the problems with the party. What it actually needs right now.
The PO deliberately went for the most prestigious (and therefore most expensive) barristers they could get. They seem to have been following the principle of force majeure, which was a tactic they used remorselessly throughout. They could not have done so without Government support of course, so I think we can assume the Government was perfectly happy to see justice suppressed with public money.
The whole thing stinks to high heaven.
I think the logic @Andy_JS is applying is that the odds of 2.04 and 2.1 imply a probability of 96.6% that either Trump or Harris will win, leaving a 3.6% chance that neither will. I.e, 30s. Harris is very unlikely to drop out. Trump is a possibility for multiple reasons.
@TheScreamingEagles - "Wouldn't a coach and four be faster?"
Lord Grabber - "Exactly. Chiz. Chiz"
EDIT: found a picture of Lord Grabber in his younger days