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  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,316
    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    geoffw said:

    Nigelb said:

    geoffw said:

    The graph in the header contradicts its concluding phrase, "the momentum, pace Betfair, is with Harris."

    Why ?
    see edit of that post
    pace = latin term usually meaning 'despite' or 'notwithstanding'. Thus the sentence means "the momentum, notwithstanding Betfair, is with Harris."

    (Why a working class lad like TSE can't stick to English is beyond me.)
    I might be embarrassed here. I've used it for over a decade to mean "as per the arguments of" as per academic citation, and nobody's contradicted me. I shall check to make sure I've got it right.
    I'm afraid Benpointer is right. Though if you want to flag it up that you don't agree with someone you can use 'contra': thus I agree with BP contra Viewcode. It does have a more, erm, robust feel, though.
    Fuck. This is embarrassing. ☹️
    Not really.
    We all have words we've used for decades, assuming we know what they mean, only to discover...

    (I just can't think of one, right at the moment - but that's probably my poor memory.)
    Hardly a day goes by without bell weather, enormity and shoe-in getting a mention round here.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379
    MattW said:

    viewcode said:

    geoffw said:

    Nigelb said:

    geoffw said:

    The graph in the header contradicts its concluding phrase, "the momentum, pace Betfair, is with Harris."

    Why ?
    see edit of that post
    pace = latin term usually meaning 'despite' or 'notwithstanding'. Thus the sentence means "the momentum, notwithstanding Betfair, is with Harris."

    (Why a working class lad like TSE can't stick to English is beyond me.)
    I might be embarrassed here. I've used it for over a decade to mean "as per the arguments of" as per academic citation, and nobody's contradicted me. I shall check to make sure I've got it right.
    I think you use per for that without the extras, meaning "in accordance with".

    Nobody's contradicted you because none of them know.

    Wiki has a whole article about it:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_does_"per"_mean?
    The edit history on that page is hysterical
    • "wow, I go away for a few weeks and someone needlessly complexifies this page and reverses its actual meaning! Bad."
    • "ok some of that was a bit excessive"
    • "I'll consent that the MFD requirement of {{essay}} may be excessive, and I'm on going to WP:DRV over it; however editorialiy speaking, this is NOT a HELP page"
    • "You mean removing the helpful part of a help page? No thanks. What on earth is your problem anyway, this page does not endorse essays nor contradict that recent essay you wrote."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:What_does_"per"_mean?&action=history&dir=prev&limit=500
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,434

    Free speech under threat in the US as Trump proposes to make criticism of pro-Trump judges illegal: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-proposes-ban-on-criticizing-pro-trump-judges.html

    Hang on, I recall be told that questioning the probity or judgement of Judges was The End Of Democracy.

    Or have I got the cue cards muddled up? Again….
    Did anyone then suggest making it illegal?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,608
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Hundred viewing figures down by more than a quarter as tournament stagnates

    Competition’s clash with the Olympics is mainly blamed for the decline in audience numbers


    Television viewing figures for the Hundred dropped by more than a quarter this summer at a time when the England and Wales Cricket Board is hoping to attract investors to buy into the competition.

    Figures seen by Telegraph Sport show that average television audiences across both Hundred competitions took a big hit as the sport struggled for viewership up against the Olympics. The women’s competition dropped by 41 per cent on Sky and the men’s tournament 28 per cent compared to 2023.

    On the BBC, the men’s Hundred was down 25 per cent but the women’s competition stayed roughly the same, with a reduction of only two per cent.

    The figures were improved by a successful last week with audiences for the men’s final on Sunday up by 36 per cent on the BBC with a peak audience of 1.3 million on last year, compared to 869,000 in 2023. Sky figures were slightly better than last year for the final, up by six per cent for the men. The women’s final average audience was however down 10 per cent on Sky and 20 per cent on the BBC. The peak audience figure for the women’s final on both channels was also down.

    The competition’s clash with the Olympics is mainly blamed by insiders for the fall but there is also an indication it is stagnating in only its fourth year and needs new investors to inject fresh ideas to give it a lift.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2024/08/20/hundred-viewing-figures-bbc-sky-sports-olympics-tv-ecb/

    It doesn't need new investors. It needs scrapping.
    Quite aside from its banal offering I don't see anything the Hundred offers that T20 didn't do so already.
    In this TikTok, smartphone, short attention span world, I always felt the Hundred was just not differentiated enough from Twenty20.

    It's time for the ECB to take a truly bold step, and make a competition that is really differentiated.

    Ladies and Gentlemen of PB, I present you with:

    The One

    Just a single ball of cricket. One batsman, one bowler. Maybe even skip the fielders. Whichever batsman hits the ball the furthest wins.

    Let's do it, guys.
    Someone’s been watching too much of that UFC face-slapping “competition”.
    For a slightly more serious answer, how’s about a series of “Cricket Festival” competitions, along the lines of the international Rugby 7s tournament.

    Get all the players at the same place for two or thre days over a weekend. A series of short, perhaps only two overs per side, games in a league format, leading to knockout rounds QF, SF and final. Have mens, womens, boys, and girls competitions all on at the same time, perhaps make use of a second field if available. Make it family-friendly, lots of sideshows and get-the-kids-involved stuff, and a ‘family stand’ in the ground with no alcohol. But to the rest of the crowd, it’s basically a party with some cricket going on in the background, the cans of beer sold by the case slowly disappearing as fast as the sunburn appears, and the day finishes with a live band so everyone doesn’t leave at once.
    I think two overs is probably a little bit too short, but the general idea is an excellent one. I'd go with five overs, so it's ten overs a game. That's 60 balls, which means a game could take just 45 minutes in total.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,434
    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/reform-now-first-three-councillors-29768930

    Reform UK gets its first 3 councillors in Wales, following the defection of three independents (2 formerly Labour, 1 formerly Conservative).
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,143
    Not bad Deutsche Marine, not bad.

    https://x.com/BBCNews/status/1826171823572099415

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379
    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    This might be pushing Trump in a bit ?

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/robert-f-kennedy-mulls-quitting-election-to-join-forces-with-trump/ar-AA1p8kzK?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=b2048ff591994866be619557f074c0e9&ei=29

    Robert F Kennedy Jr is considering dropping out of the presidential race and teaming up with Donald Trump to stop Kamala Harris from winning the election, his running mate has said.

    Nicole Shanahan, the independent candidate’s vice presidential running mate, said the pair are considering abandoning their bid for the White House in order to help Trump beat the Democrats.

    RFK Jr is drawing about equally from both candidates so I doubt it makes much difference either way
    If he drops out and endorses Trump, his Trump votes presumably go back to Trump, but do his Kamala votes go back to Kamala or Trump?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,677

    Barnesian said:

    kinabalu said:

    There's no corresponding move towards Trump in the key state markets. Not that I can see anyway and I'm all over them.

    I wonder if someone in the MAGA team is manipulating the market to deceive the orange man into thinking he's winning in order to quieten him down. It wouldn't cost much. Or am I wish-casting?

    Seriously, I don't understand the market movement. There seems to be no news event or poll data to justify it.
    A seasoned punter thinks it is those punters who backed Harris at silly odds trading out.
    Could be. That would be a good explanation in both senses.

    I still think she is value at 2.0 even though i backed her originally at 46.

    My average is 3.7 and I'm sticking with her.

    I think the "vibe" is critically important, particularly for low information uninterested swing voters who decide the election, and she has it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,865
    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    This might be pushing Trump in a bit ?

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/robert-f-kennedy-mulls-quitting-election-to-join-forces-with-trump/ar-AA1p8kzK?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=b2048ff591994866be619557f074c0e9&ei=29

    Robert F Kennedy Jr is considering dropping out of the presidential race and teaming up with Donald Trump to stop Kamala Harris from winning the election, his running mate has said.

    Nicole Shanahan, the independent candidate’s vice presidential running mate, said the pair are considering abandoning their bid for the White House in order to help Trump beat the Democrats.

    RFK Jr is drawing about equally from both candidates so I doubt it makes much difference either way
    If he drops out and endorses Trump, his Trump votes presumably go back to Trump, but do his Kamala votes go back to Kamala or Trump?
    Yougov had 44% of RFK Jr voters voting for Biden in 2020 and 37% for Trump, so really I suspect they split equally or stay home
    https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/49697-is-robert-f-kennedy-jr-drawing-more-support-from-biden-or-trump-poll
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,986
    Morning all :)

    Watched a little of the Obama speeches from last night. He remains a brilliant speaker - his timing is just spot on. For me, he's one of the great speakers though I'd rate Bill Clinton, at his prime, slightly higher.

    Michelle is a decent speaker as well and plenty will be wondering if the wrong Obama served two terms in the WH.

    I'm really struggling to think of a significant British political speech in the last decade. The UK Party Conferences aren't the same as the Democrat and Republican conventions which are quadrennial events.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,984
    mercator said:

    ydoethur said:

    mercator said:

    MattW said:

    viewcode said:

    geoffw said:

    Nigelb said:

    geoffw said:

    The graph in the header contradicts its concluding phrase, "the momentum, pace Betfair, is with Harris."

    Why ?
    see edit of that post
    pace = latin term usually meaning 'despite' or 'notwithstanding'. Thus the sentence means "the momentum, notwithstanding Betfair, is with Harris."

    (Why a working class lad like TSE can't stick to English is beyond me.)
    I might be embarrassed here. I've used it for over a decade to mean "as per the arguments of" as per academic citation, and nobody's contradicted me. I shall check to make sure I've got it right.
    I think you use per for that without the extras, meaning "in accordance with".

    Nobody's contradicted you because none of them know.

    Wiki has a whole article about it:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_does_"per"_mean?
    Per is legalese not academese: An Englishman's home is his castle: Scratchy vs Itchy 1948 Court of Appeal per Denning LJ. In academese I think you just cite the paper if you agree with it. Nice things are nicer than nasty ones (Popper 1956).
    I think it actually originated in the Georgian navy. Captains had to write a report after every action. You would name any prizes you took in the margin, and the convention (to save time) was to write 'as per margin' in the main body of the report.
    I know a pompous chap who signs letters Yours etc. The joke being this is just a convention when printing a letter in a book, to save space, and the original letter will have ended I beg to remain sir your most humble and obedient servant
    I used to work at a place where a customer always signed emails "Yours aye". Never seen it before or since and still don't understand it...
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,677
    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    This might be pushing Trump in a bit ?

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/robert-f-kennedy-mulls-quitting-election-to-join-forces-with-trump/ar-AA1p8kzK?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=b2048ff591994866be619557f074c0e9&ei=29

    Robert F Kennedy Jr is considering dropping out of the presidential race and teaming up with Donald Trump to stop Kamala Harris from winning the election, his running mate has said.

    Nicole Shanahan, the independent candidate’s vice presidential running mate, said the pair are considering abandoning their bid for the White House in order to help Trump beat the Democrats.

    The cunning plan of having a lunatic with the name of a Democratic hero splitting the vote for Biden, then Harris, has worked so well that they are finding that he is taking more votes from Trump than Harris. Who would have thought that an anti vaccine nut might appeal to some of Trump's crowd?

    His funder, other than his running mate, is also Trump's biggest backer. They can pull the plug whenever they want.
    I wonder whether Trump is trying to humiliate Vance so that Vance resigns his position. It's difficult for Trump to simply fire him. RFJr could then replace him.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,677
    edited August 21

    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    geoffw said:

    Nigelb said:

    geoffw said:

    The graph in the header contradicts its concluding phrase, "the momentum, pace Betfair, is with Harris."

    Why ?
    see edit of that post
    pace = latin term usually meaning 'despite' or 'notwithstanding'. Thus the sentence means "the momentum, notwithstanding Betfair, is with Harris."

    (Why a working class lad like TSE can't stick to English is beyond me.)
    I might be embarrassed here. I've used it for over a decade to mean "as per the arguments of" as per academic citation, and nobody's contradicted me. I shall check to make sure I've got it right.
    I'm afraid Benpointer is right. Though if you want to flag it up that you don't agree with someone you can use 'contra': thus I agree with BP contra Viewcode. It does have a more, erm, robust feel, though.
    Fuck. This is embarrassing. ☹️
    Not really.
    We all have words we've used for decades, assuming we know what they mean, only to discover...

    (I just can't think of one, right at the moment - but that's probably my poor memory.)
    Hardly a day goes by without bell weather, enormity and shoe-in getting a mention round here.
    And decimate. And vibe.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,143
    Driver said:

    mercator said:

    ydoethur said:

    mercator said:

    MattW said:

    viewcode said:

    geoffw said:

    Nigelb said:

    geoffw said:

    The graph in the header contradicts its concluding phrase, "the momentum, pace Betfair, is with Harris."

    Why ?
    see edit of that post
    pace = latin term usually meaning 'despite' or 'notwithstanding'. Thus the sentence means "the momentum, notwithstanding Betfair, is with Harris."

    (Why a working class lad like TSE can't stick to English is beyond me.)
    I might be embarrassed here. I've used it for over a decade to mean "as per the arguments of" as per academic citation, and nobody's contradicted me. I shall check to make sure I've got it right.
    I think you use per for that without the extras, meaning "in accordance with".

    Nobody's contradicted you because none of them know.

    Wiki has a whole article about it:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_does_"per"_mean?
    Per is legalese not academese: An Englishman's home is his castle: Scratchy vs Itchy 1948 Court of Appeal per Denning LJ. In academese I think you just cite the paper if you agree with it. Nice things are nicer than nasty ones (Popper 1956).
    I think it actually originated in the Georgian navy. Captains had to write a report after every action. You would name any prizes you took in the margin, and the convention (to save time) was to write 'as per margin' in the main body of the report.
    I know a pompous chap who signs letters Yours etc. The joke being this is just a convention when printing a letter in a book, to save space, and the original letter will have ended I beg to remain sir your most humble and obedient servant
    I used to work at a place where a customer always signed emails "Yours aye". Never seen it before or since and still don't understand it...
    Scotch for Yours always I think.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    kinabalu said:

    There's no corresponding move towards Trump in the key state markets. Not that I can see anyway and I'm all over them.

    I wonder if someone in the MAGA team is manipulating the market to deceive the orange man into thinking he's winning in order to quieten him down. It wouldn't cost much. Or am I wish-casting?

    Seriously, I don't understand the market movement. There seems to be no news event or poll data to justify it.
    A seasoned punter thinks it is those punters who backed Harris at silly odds trading out.
    Could be. That would be a good explanation in both senses.

    I still think she is value at 2.0 even though i backed her originally at 46.

    My average is 3.7 and I'm sticking with her.

    I think the "vibe" is critically important, particularly for low information uninterested swing voters who decide the election, and she has it.
    I'm on Harris at various prices from 50 down to 5.

    I am utterly red on Trump and so if he wins I will be poorer and also very depressed.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,143
    Barnesian said:

    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    geoffw said:

    Nigelb said:

    geoffw said:

    The graph in the header contradicts its concluding phrase, "the momentum, pace Betfair, is with Harris."

    Why ?
    see edit of that post
    pace = latin term usually meaning 'despite' or 'notwithstanding'. Thus the sentence means "the momentum, notwithstanding Betfair, is with Harris."

    (Why a working class lad like TSE can't stick to English is beyond me.)
    I might be embarrassed here. I've used it for over a decade to mean "as per the arguments of" as per academic citation, and nobody's contradicted me. I shall check to make sure I've got it right.
    I'm afraid Benpointer is right. Though if you want to flag it up that you don't agree with someone you can use 'contra': thus I agree with BP contra Viewcode. It does have a more, erm, robust feel, though.
    Fuck. This is embarrassing. ☹️
    Not really.
    We all have words we've used for decades, assuming we know what they mean, only to discover...

    (I just can't think of one, right at the moment - but that's probably my poor memory.)
    Hardly a day goes by without bell weather, enormity and shoe-in getting a mention round here.
    And decimate.
    We all need to tow the line when it comes to correct usage, and reign in our solecisms.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,122
    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Watched a little of the Obama speeches from last night. He remains a brilliant speaker - his timing is just spot on. For me, he's one of the great speakers though I'd rate Bill Clinton, at his prime, slightly higher.

    Michelle is a decent speaker as well and plenty will be wondering if the wrong Obama served two terms in the WH.

    I'm really struggling to think of a significant British political speech in the last decade. The UK Party Conferences aren't the same as the Democrat and Republican conventions which are quadrennial events.

    How can you ignore Johnsons "Peppa Pig" speech?

    It's where the decline in Conservative fortunes became manifest. After that it was all downhill.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    Barnesian said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    This might be pushing Trump in a bit ?

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/robert-f-kennedy-mulls-quitting-election-to-join-forces-with-trump/ar-AA1p8kzK?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=b2048ff591994866be619557f074c0e9&ei=29

    Robert F Kennedy Jr is considering dropping out of the presidential race and teaming up with Donald Trump to stop Kamala Harris from winning the election, his running mate has said.

    Nicole Shanahan, the independent candidate’s vice presidential running mate, said the pair are considering abandoning their bid for the White House in order to help Trump beat the Democrats.

    The cunning plan of having a lunatic with the name of a Democratic hero splitting the vote for Biden, then Harris, has worked so well that they are finding that he is taking more votes from Trump than Harris. Who would have thought that an anti vaccine nut might appeal to some of Trump's crowd?

    His funder, other than his running mate, is also Trump's biggest backer. They can pull the plug whenever they want.
    I wonder whether Trump is trying to humiliate Vance so that Vance resigns his position. It's difficult for Trump to simply fire him. RFJr could then replace him.
    I think that worm brain is a little too mad even for Trump. He will also probably settle for a cabinet position. He no longer has enough to offer.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,175
    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    kinabalu said:

    There's no corresponding move towards Trump in the key state markets. Not that I can see anyway and I'm all over them.

    I wonder if someone in the MAGA team is manipulating the market to deceive the orange man into thinking he's winning in order to quieten him down. It wouldn't cost much. Or am I wish-casting?

    Seriously, I don't understand the market movement. There seems to be no news event or poll data to justify it.
    A seasoned punter thinks it is those punters who backed Harris at silly odds trading out.
    Could be. That would be a good explanation in both senses.

    I still think she is value at 2.0 even though i backed her originally at 46.

    My average is 3.7 and I'm sticking with her.

    I think the "vibe" is critically important, particularly for low information uninterested swing voters who decide the election, and she has it.
    I think that's right.
    (Had I put £1k on at 46, rather than a couple of quid, I'd think differently, probably.)

    As it is, slightly longer than evens, with what we know now compared to what we knew then, still represents pretty good value, IMO.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,608
    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    This might be pushing Trump in a bit ?

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/robert-f-kennedy-mulls-quitting-election-to-join-forces-with-trump/ar-AA1p8kzK?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=b2048ff591994866be619557f074c0e9&ei=29

    Robert F Kennedy Jr is considering dropping out of the presidential race and teaming up with Donald Trump to stop Kamala Harris from winning the election, his running mate has said.

    Nicole Shanahan, the independent candidate’s vice presidential running mate, said the pair are considering abandoning their bid for the White House in order to help Trump beat the Democrats.

    RFK Jr is drawing about equally from both candidates so I doubt it makes much difference either way
    If he drops out and endorses Trump, his Trump votes presumably go back to Trump, but do his Kamala votes go back to Kamala or Trump?
    Yougov had 44% of RFK Jr voters voting for Biden in 2020 and 37% for Trump, so really I suspect they split equally or stay home
    https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/49697-is-robert-f-kennedy-jr-drawing-more-support-from-biden-or-trump-poll
    Are those percentages, or absolute numbers of voters?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,917
    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Watched a little of the Obama speeches from last night. He remains a brilliant speaker - his timing is just spot on. For me, he's one of the great speakers though I'd rate Bill Clinton, at his prime, slightly higher.

    Michelle is a decent speaker as well and plenty will be wondering if the wrong Obama served two terms in the WH.

    I'm really struggling to think of a significant British political speech in the last decade. The UK Party Conferences aren't the same as the Democrat and Republican conventions which are quadrennial events.

    We seem to have lost the art of great political speech making in the UK. I suspect part of the reason for this is because social media has made things more bite-size so repeating the same thing sixteen times (stop the boats, get Brexit done, my father was a toolmaker et al) is in vogue. The US is not immune from this change (Kamala Harris has made the same speech more or less since winning the nomination. “We’re not going back” is her sloganeering. The US is a little bit behind the curve though because its politics still has a rally culture whereas ours really doesn’t, so speech making still retains an element of importance.

    I do wonder if in time it might make a comeback though. We are missing from our politics serious conviction politicians (from whom the great speeches often stem), and I wonder if after an era of politicians who don’t say much, the person or people who inherit the mantle might actually do well from saying a bit more.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,175
    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    This might be pushing Trump in a bit ?

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/robert-f-kennedy-mulls-quitting-election-to-join-forces-with-trump/ar-AA1p8kzK?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=b2048ff591994866be619557f074c0e9&ei=29

    Robert F Kennedy Jr is considering dropping out of the presidential race and teaming up with Donald Trump to stop Kamala Harris from winning the election, his running mate has said.

    Nicole Shanahan, the independent candidate’s vice presidential running mate, said the pair are considering abandoning their bid for the White House in order to help Trump beat the Democrats.

    RFK Jr is drawing about equally from both candidates so I doubt it makes much difference either way
    If he drops out and endorses Trump, his Trump votes presumably go back to Trump, but do his Kamala votes go back to Kamala or Trump?
    Or do any of them vote at all ?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,890
    edited August 21
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Hundred viewing figures down by more than a quarter as tournament stagnates

    Competition’s clash with the Olympics is mainly blamed for the decline in audience numbers


    Television viewing figures for the Hundred dropped by more than a quarter this summer at a time when the England and Wales Cricket Board is hoping to attract investors to buy into the competition.

    Figures seen by Telegraph Sport show that average television audiences across both Hundred competitions took a big hit as the sport struggled for viewership up against the Olympics. The women’s competition dropped by 41 per cent on Sky and the men’s tournament 28 per cent compared to 2023.

    On the BBC, the men’s Hundred was down 25 per cent but the women’s competition stayed roughly the same, with a reduction of only two per cent.

    The figures were improved by a successful last week with audiences for the men’s final on Sunday up by 36 per cent on the BBC with a peak audience of 1.3 million on last year, compared to 869,000 in 2023. Sky figures were slightly better than last year for the final, up by six per cent for the men. The women’s final average audience was however down 10 per cent on Sky and 20 per cent on the BBC. The peak audience figure for the women’s final on both channels was also down.

    The competition’s clash with the Olympics is mainly blamed by insiders for the fall but there is also an indication it is stagnating in only its fourth year and needs new investors to inject fresh ideas to give it a lift.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2024/08/20/hundred-viewing-figures-bbc-sky-sports-olympics-tv-ecb/

    It doesn't need new investors. It needs scrapping.
    Quite aside from its banal offering I don't see anything the Hundred offers that T20 didn't do so already.
    In this TikTok, smartphone, short attention span world, I always felt the Hundred was just not differentiated enough from Twenty20.

    It's time for the ECB to take a truly bold step, and make a competition that is really differentiated.

    Ladies and Gentlemen of PB, I present you with:

    The One

    Just a single ball of cricket. One batsman, one bowler. Maybe even skip the fielders. Whichever batsman hits the ball the furthest wins.

    Let's do it, guys.
    Someone’s been watching too much of that UFC face-slapping “competition”.
    For a slightly more serious answer, how’s about a series of “Cricket Festival” competitions, along the lines of the international Rugby 7s tournament.

    Get all the players at the same place for two or thre days over a weekend. A series of short, perhaps only two overs per side, games in a league format, leading to knockout rounds QF, SF and final. Have mens, womens, boys, and girls competitions all on at the same time, perhaps make use of a second field if available. Make it family-friendly, lots of sideshows and get-the-kids-involved stuff, and a ‘family stand’ in the ground with no alcohol. But to the rest of the crowd, it’s basically a party with some cricket going on in the background, the cans of beer sold by the case slowly disappearing as fast as the sunburn appears, and the day finishes with a live band so everyone doesn’t leave at once.
    I think two overs is probably a little bit too short, but the general idea is an excellent one. I'd go with five overs, so it's ten overs a game. That's 60 balls, which means a game could take just 45 minutes in total.
    I thought this happened already. They had one in Chesterfield this year around the time there was a County Match at the out ground in Queens Park. There was also something called "vibrant Vitality Blast action", whatever that is - it sounds a bit Leonine.

    And Scarborough etc.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,175

    Barnesian said:

    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    geoffw said:

    Nigelb said:

    geoffw said:

    The graph in the header contradicts its concluding phrase, "the momentum, pace Betfair, is with Harris."

    Why ?
    see edit of that post
    pace = latin term usually meaning 'despite' or 'notwithstanding'. Thus the sentence means "the momentum, notwithstanding Betfair, is with Harris."

    (Why a working class lad like TSE can't stick to English is beyond me.)
    I might be embarrassed here. I've used it for over a decade to mean "as per the arguments of" as per academic citation, and nobody's contradicted me. I shall check to make sure I've got it right.
    I'm afraid Benpointer is right. Though if you want to flag it up that you don't agree with someone you can use 'contra': thus I agree with BP contra Viewcode. It does have a more, erm, robust feel, though.
    Fuck. This is embarrassing. ☹️
    Not really.
    We all have words we've used for decades, assuming we know what they mean, only to discover...

    (I just can't think of one, right at the moment - but that's probably my poor memory.)
    Hardly a day goes by without bell weather, enormity and shoe-in getting a mention round here.
    And decimate.
    We all need to tow the line when it comes to correct usage, and reign in our solecisms.
    That is not begging any questions.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,122
    Sadly it seems this genius tax dodge has been ruled against.

    BBC News - Snail farm in city office sparks tax avoidance probe
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9904dz73pyo
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379
    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Watched a little of the Obama speeches from last night. He remains a brilliant speaker - his timing is just spot on. For me, he's one of the great speakers though I'd rate Bill Clinton, at his prime, slightly higher.

    Michelle is a decent speaker as well and plenty will be wondering if the wrong Obama served two terms in the WH.

    I'm really struggling to think of a significant British political speech in the last decade. The UK Party Conferences aren't the same as the Democrat and Republican conventions which are quadrennial events.

    Surely Penny Sword-Carrier's address to Conference assembled counts amongst the mighty? She pointed and everything.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    Ukraine war latest: Moscow comes under huge drone attack

    Moscow has come under one of the largest attacks by Ukrainian drones yet, with Russia saying it destroyed 45 Ukrainian drones overnight. It comes as Kyiv's forces continue to push into Russia's western Kursk region.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,175

    Not bad Deutsche Marine, not bad.

    https://x.com/BBCNews/status/1826171823572099415

    Being pulled backwards by a tugboat, rather spoils the effect.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    Lewis Goodall
    @lewis_goodall
    Reflections on DNC on end of day 2

    -Dems' change of tone on Trump noticeable. They're still invoking the dark forces he may yet unleash but doing it generally with a lighter touch. They're leaning into idea of mocking him as much as fearing him.
    -Very strong message discipline on the economy, especially from all the key speakers on class. Consistent emphasis on Harris' ordinary background, contrasting with wealth and privilege of Trump. More populist notes than in the past.
    -The two themes of this convention, save for Trump himself, are those class/economic issues and abortion. Everything else, even previous big ticket Dem issues like climate change v much in the background.
    -With Biden issue behind them, Dems continue to seem extremely ordered/disciplined. Crowd energy off the scale.

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1826102757020835930
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    kinabalu said:

    There's no corresponding move towards Trump in the key state markets. Not that I can see anyway and I'm all over them.

    I wonder if someone in the MAGA team is manipulating the market to deceive the orange man into thinking he's winning in order to quieten him down. It wouldn't cost much. Or am I wish-casting?

    Seriously, I don't understand the market movement. There seems to be no news event or poll data to justify it.
    A seasoned punter thinks it is those punters who backed Harris at silly odds trading out.
    Could be. That would be a good explanation in both senses.

    I still think she is value at 2.0 even though i backed her originally at 46.

    My average is 3.7 and I'm sticking with her.

    I think the "vibe" is critically important, particularly for low information uninterested swing voters who decide the election, and she has it.
    I'm on Harris at various prices from 50 down to 5.

    I am utterly red on Trump and so if he wins I will be poorer and also very depressed.
    Is the -ve Trump red number larger or smaller than the Harris green number though ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,175
    Foxy said:

    Sadly it seems this genius tax dodge has been ruled against.

    BBC News - Snail farm in city office sparks tax avoidance probe
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9904dz73pyo

    Its website says the number of snails per crate is kept to a minimum to avoid "cannibalism, group sex and snail orgies".
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Watched a little of the Obama speeches from last night. He remains a brilliant speaker - his timing is just spot on. For me, he's one of the great speakers though I'd rate Bill Clinton, at his prime, slightly higher.

    Michelle is a decent speaker as well and plenty will be wondering if the wrong Obama served two terms in the WH.

    I'm really struggling to think of a significant British political speech in the last decade. The UK Party Conferences aren't the same as the Democrat and Republican conventions which are quadrennial events.

    We seem to have lost the art of great political speech making in the UK. I suspect part of the reason for this is because social media has made things more bite-size so repeating the same thing sixteen times (stop the boats, get Brexit done, my father was a toolmaker et al) is in vogue. The US is not immune from this change (Kamala Harris has made the same speech more or less since winning the nomination. “We’re not going back” is her sloganeering. The US is a little bit behind the curve though because its politics still has a rally culture whereas ours really doesn’t, so speech making still retains an element of importance.

    I do wonder if in time it might make a comeback though. We are missing from our politics serious conviction politicians (from whom the great speeches often stem), and I wonder if after an era of politicians who don’t say much, the person or people who inherit the mantle might actually do well from saying a bit more.

    The NatCon and PopCon lectures are on YouTube. Although they can be annoying, particularly the ones that are petulant, not well thought out, or the speaker is a bad person or an idiot, sometimes they can be good. I remember being surprised by JRM's lecture, and David Starkey is usually fun.

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    stodge said:

    Disapppinting borrowing numbers for July this morning and it now seems inevitable the sub editors will be throwing "Halloween Horror" all over the Chancellor's Autumn BUdget at the end of October.

    With energy prices also starting to turn up again, it's not going to be pleasant but we all knew deep down this kind of reckoning would have to happen somewhere down the line. We went through a painful economic readjustment in the early 10s and it may be the mid 2020s will be a similar period.

    I presume Reeves will be looking to get the public finances back under some measure of control and unlike Osborne and Alexander in 2011, I suspect there will be as much if not more emphasis on raising revenue from taxation than from cutting public spending.

    We probably can't go from £87.2 billion of borrowing to zero in one year or possibly even one Parliament though it would be useful to see a sense of direction of travel. No one is saying we shouldn't borrow - borrowing for long term capital expenditure is perfectly reasonable - but we need to get that borrowing down to sensible levels and get the debt interest payments (£7 billion last month) down if we can.

    Cheer up. The UK has the highest growth in the G7 atm - this is one of SKS objectives ( though achieved courtesy of the last lot )

    What a shame he has handed the good news to Recession Reeves and her growth killer minions.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,089

    Free speech under threat in the US as Trump proposes to make criticism of pro-Trump judges illegal: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-proposes-ban-on-criticizing-pro-trump-judges.html

    Hang on, I recall be told that questioning the probity or judgement of Judges was The End Of Democracy.

    Or have I got the cue cards muddled up? Again….
    Did anyone then suggest making it illegal?
    Can't remember - but the anguish suggested that it was at the level of requiring an Act of Attainder.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    See him off with humour. I like it.


    CBS News
    @CBSNews
    ·
    6h
    Michelle Obama on Donald Trump: "Who's going to tell him that the job he's currently seeking might just be one of those 'Black jobs'?"

    https://x.com/CBSNews/status/1826094589419118865
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,089
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Sadly it seems this genius tax dodge has been ruled against.

    BBC News - Snail farm in city office sparks tax avoidance probe
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9904dz73pyo

    Its website says the number of snails per crate is kept to a minimum to avoid "cannibalism, group sex and snail orgies".
    @SeanT has entered the chat and is trying to get an invite to snail parties.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,633
    There's a whiff of corruption around Kennedy, isn't there, both personal and political.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    kinabalu said:

    There's a whiff of corruption around Kennedy, isn't there, both personal and political.

    I think youll find that goes back several generations and nobody on the Dem side was that worried.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,447

    See him off with humour. I like it.


    CBS News
    @CBSNews
    ·
    6h
    Michelle Obama on Donald Trump: "Who's going to tell him that the job he's currently seeking might just be one of those 'Black jobs'?"

    https://x.com/CBSNews/status/1826094589419118865

    Prime Trump's strength was a kind of humour. A cruel, mean, bullying kind of humour, but humour for all that.

    Always a good sign to be using an opponent's strength against them.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,089
    kinabalu said:

    There's a whiff of corruption around Kennedy, isn't there, both personal and political.

    He is full on mining the anti-vax stuff for cash. In the style of Wakefield.

    There's big money in bullshit conspiracy theories.

    His election run has probably paid for itself - not just in contributions, but moving him up the totem pole of anti-vax cultists.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Sadly it seems this genius tax dodge has been ruled against.

    BBC News - Snail farm in city office sparks tax avoidance probe
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9904dz73pyo

    Its website says the number of snails per crate is kept to a minimum to avoid "cannibalism, group sex and snail orgies".
    I cannot help but wonder about what the distinction is between group sex and orgies.

    1 in 3 people fantasise about group sex whereas 3 in 1 is group sex.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,633

    See him off with humour. I like it.

    CBS News
    @CBSNews
    ·
    6h
    Michelle Obama on Donald Trump: "Who's going to tell him that the job he's currently seeking might just be one of those 'Black jobs'?"

    https://x.com/CBSNews/status/1826094589419118865

    That was a good one. "Black jobs" lol. What a 'tell' that was.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,633

    kinabalu said:

    There's a whiff of corruption around Kennedy, isn't there, both personal and political.

    I think youll find that goes back several generations and nobody on the Dem side was that worried.
    But there's little else with this one.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,986

    stodge said:

    Disapppinting borrowing numbers for July this morning and it now seems inevitable the sub editors will be throwing "Halloween Horror" all over the Chancellor's Autumn BUdget at the end of October.

    With energy prices also starting to turn up again, it's not going to be pleasant but we all knew deep down this kind of reckoning would have to happen somewhere down the line. We went through a painful economic readjustment in the early 10s and it may be the mid 2020s will be a similar period.

    I presume Reeves will be looking to get the public finances back under some measure of control and unlike Osborne and Alexander in 2011, I suspect there will be as much if not more emphasis on raising revenue from taxation than from cutting public spending.

    We probably can't go from £87.2 billion of borrowing to zero in one year or possibly even one Parliament though it would be useful to see a sense of direction of travel. No one is saying we shouldn't borrow - borrowing for long term capital expenditure is perfectly reasonable - but we need to get that borrowing down to sensible levels and get the debt interest payments (£7 billion last month) down if we can.

    Cheer up. The UK has the highest growth in the G7 atm - this is one of SKS objectives ( though achieved courtesy of the last lot )

    What a shame he has handed the good news to Recession Reeves and her growth killer minions.
    I thought you'd be "enjoying" the morning's news on public borrowing. I suppose arguing spending £7 billion on debt interest payments for the borrowing of the "last lot" rather made the difference won't cut any ice.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,089

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Sadly it seems this genius tax dodge has been ruled against.

    BBC News - Snail farm in city office sparks tax avoidance probe
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9904dz73pyo

    Its website says the number of snails per crate is kept to a minimum to avoid "cannibalism, group sex and snail orgies".
    I cannot help but wonder about what the distinction is between group sex and orgies.

    1 in 3 people fantasise about group sex whereas 3 in 1 is group sex.
    Are you Palmer'ing off the answer?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,089

    See him off with humour. I like it.


    CBS News
    @CBSNews
    ·
    6h
    Michelle Obama on Donald Trump: "Who's going to tell him that the job he's currently seeking might just be one of those 'Black jobs'?"

    https://x.com/CBSNews/status/1826094589419118865

    Prime Trump's strength was a kind of humour. A cruel, mean, bullying kind of humour, but humour for all that.

    Always a good sign to be using an opponent's strength against them.
    Yes, I think you are right on the "kind of humour" thing. A talent for creating a nasty meme that stuck.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,890
    viewcode said:

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Watched a little of the Obama speeches from last night. He remains a brilliant speaker - his timing is just spot on. For me, he's one of the great speakers though I'd rate Bill Clinton, at his prime, slightly higher.

    Michelle is a decent speaker as well and plenty will be wondering if the wrong Obama served two terms in the WH.

    I'm really struggling to think of a significant British political speech in the last decade. The UK Party Conferences aren't the same as the Democrat and Republican conventions which are quadrennial events.

    We seem to have lost the art of great political speech making in the UK. I suspect part of the reason for this is because social media has made things more bite-size so repeating the same thing sixteen times (stop the boats, get Brexit done, my father was a toolmaker et al) is in vogue. The US is not immune from this change (Kamala Harris has made the same speech more or less since winning the nomination. “We’re not going back” is her sloganeering. The US is a little bit behind the curve though because its politics still has a rally culture whereas ours really doesn’t, so speech making still retains an element of importance.

    I do wonder if in time it might make a comeback though. We are missing from our politics serious conviction politicians (from whom the great speeches often stem), and I wonder if after an era of politicians who don’t say much, the person or people who inherit the mantle might actually do well from saying a bit more.

    The NatCon and PopCon lectures are on YouTube. Although they can be annoying, particularly the ones that are petulant, not well thought out, or the speaker is a bad person or an idiot, sometimes they can be good. I remember being surprised by JRM's lecture, and David Starkey is usually fun.

    Most of them (the ones I have listened to) see to be quite short - 10 or 15 minutes.
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  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,360

    kinabalu said:

    There's a whiff of corruption around Kennedy, isn't there, both personal and political.

    I think youll find that goes back several generations and nobody on the Dem side was that worried.
    It is bizarre to me that my parents generation of Democrats venerates the Kennedys. He was a very poor president, a poor human being but being good looking can apparently overcome everything.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Sadly it seems this genius tax dodge has been ruled against.

    BBC News - Snail farm in city office sparks tax avoidance probe
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9904dz73pyo

    Its website says the number of snails per crate is kept to a minimum to avoid "cannibalism, group sex and snail orgies".
    I cannot help but wonder about what the distinction is between group sex and orgies.

    1 in 3 people fantasise about group sex whereas 3 in 1 is group sex.
    Are you Palmer'ing off the answer?
    I thought he just Nicked it.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,360
    Foxy said:

    Sadly it seems this genius tax dodge has been ruled against.

    BBC News - Snail farm in city office sparks tax avoidance probe
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9904dz73pyo

    Lettuce not jump to conclusions on this one
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,608

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Watched a little of the Obama speeches from last night. He remains a brilliant speaker - his timing is just spot on. For me, he's one of the great speakers though I'd rate Bill Clinton, at his prime, slightly higher.

    Michelle is a decent speaker as well and plenty will be wondering if the wrong Obama served two terms in the WH.

    I'm really struggling to think of a significant British political speech in the last decade. The UK Party Conferences aren't the same as the Democrat and Republican conventions which are quadrennial events.

    We seem to have lost the art of great political speech making in the UK. I suspect part of the reason for this is because social media has made things more bite-size so repeating the same thing sixteen times (stop the boats, get Brexit done, my father was a toolmaker et al) is in vogue. The US is not immune from this change (Kamala Harris has made the same speech more or less since winning the nomination. “We’re not going back” is her sloganeering. The US is a little bit behind the curve though because its politics still has a rally culture whereas ours really doesn’t, so speech making still retains an element of importance.

    I do wonder if in time it might make a comeback though. We are missing from our politics serious conviction politicians (from whom the great speeches often stem), and I wonder if after an era of politicians who don’t say much, the person or people who inherit the mantle might actually do well from saying a bit more.

    While Trump's convictions are not currently serious, if the election interference cases come to trial, then he could soon be a politician with serious convictions.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,360
    Barnesian said:

    kinabalu said:

    There's no corresponding move towards Trump in the key state markets. Not that I can see anyway and I'm all over them.

    I wonder if someone in the MAGA team is manipulating the market to deceive the orange man into thinking he's winning in order to quieten him down. It wouldn't cost much. Or am I wish-casting?

    Seriously, I don't understand the market movement. There seems to be no news event or poll data to justify it.
    Latest batch of polls look a little better for Trump? Electoral-vote gives him an edge in PA
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    Foxy said:

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Watched a little of the Obama speeches from last night. He remains a brilliant speaker - his timing is just spot on. For me, he's one of the great speakers though I'd rate Bill Clinton, at his prime, slightly higher.

    Michelle is a decent speaker as well and plenty will be wondering if the wrong Obama served two terms in the WH.

    I'm really struggling to think of a significant British political speech in the last decade. The UK Party Conferences aren't the same as the Democrat and Republican conventions which are quadrennial events.

    How can you ignore Johnsons "Peppa Pig" speech?

    It's where the decline in Conservative fortunes became manifest. After that it was all downhill.

    Peppa Pig was the defining piece of soaring oratory from Alexander Johnson. A modern wonder of public address unsurpassed before or since.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,316
    rkrkrk said:

    Foxy said:

    Sadly it seems this genius tax dodge has been ruled against.

    BBC News - Snail farm in city office sparks tax avoidance probe
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9904dz73pyo

    Lettuce not jump to conclusions on this one
    Better to proceed at a snail space.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,608
    I think Google's cloud services may be having issues: I don't seem to be able to access YT Music or Notion.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,997
    edited August 21
    Not watched it yet as I’m at work, but comedian Theo Von got a one-hour sit-down with Trump for his podcast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC5cHjcgt5g

    It’s got 3m views on 10 hours. Youtube views not Twitter views.

    Von also interviewed Bernie Sanders last week, that’s pretty impressive to get those two guests in quick succession.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,588
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Hundred viewing figures down by more than a quarter as tournament stagnates

    Competition’s clash with the Olympics is mainly blamed for the decline in audience numbers


    Television viewing figures for the Hundred dropped by more than a quarter this summer at a time when the England and Wales Cricket Board is hoping to attract investors to buy into the competition.

    Figures seen by Telegraph Sport show that average television audiences across both Hundred competitions took a big hit as the sport struggled for viewership up against the Olympics. The women’s competition dropped by 41 per cent on Sky and the men’s tournament 28 per cent compared to 2023.

    On the BBC, the men’s Hundred was down 25 per cent but the women’s competition stayed roughly the same, with a reduction of only two per cent.

    The figures were improved by a successful last week with audiences for the men’s final on Sunday up by 36 per cent on the BBC with a peak audience of 1.3 million on last year, compared to 869,000 in 2023. Sky figures were slightly better than last year for the final, up by six per cent for the men. The women’s final average audience was however down 10 per cent on Sky and 20 per cent on the BBC. The peak audience figure for the women’s final on both channels was also down.

    The competition’s clash with the Olympics is mainly blamed by insiders for the fall but there is also an indication it is stagnating in only its fourth year and needs new investors to inject fresh ideas to give it a lift.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2024/08/20/hundred-viewing-figures-bbc-sky-sports-olympics-tv-ecb/

    It doesn't need new investors. It needs scrapping.
    Quite aside from its banal offering I don't see anything the Hundred offers that T20 didn't do so already.
    In this TikTok, smartphone, short attention span world, I always felt the Hundred was just not differentiated enough from Twenty20.

    It's time for the ECB to take a truly bold step, and make a competition that is really differentiated.

    Ladies and Gentlemen of PB, I present you with:

    The One

    Just a single ball of cricket. One batsman, one bowler. Maybe even skip the fielders. Whichever batsman hits the ball the furthest wins.

    Let's do it, guys.
    Someone’s been watching too much of that UFC face-slapping “competition”.
    For a slightly more serious answer, how’s about a series of “Cricket Festival” competitions, along the lines of the international Rugby 7s tournament.

    Get all the players at the same place for two or thre days over a weekend. A series of short, perhaps only two overs per side, games in a league format, leading to knockout rounds QF, SF and final. Have mens, womens, boys, and girls competitions all on at the same time, perhaps make use of a second field if available. Make it family-friendly, lots of sideshows and get-the-kids-involved stuff, and a ‘family stand’ in the ground with no alcohol. But to the rest of the crowd, it’s basically a party with some cricket going on in the background, the cans of beer sold by the case slowly disappearing as fast as the sunburn appears, and the day finishes with a live band so everyone doesn’t leave at once.
    I think two overs is probably a little bit too short, but the general idea is an excellent one. I'd go with five overs, so it's ten overs a game. That's 60 balls, which means a game could take just 45 minutes in total.
    At school, we played six-a-side. One wicketkeeper and the other 5 bowling one over each. IIRC (it was the 70s) the batting team also provided a couple of fielders (rotating as wickets fell), and you got the wrath of the teacher if you weren't "honest" when fielding against your own team.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,334
    rkrkrk said:

    Foxy said:

    Sadly it seems this genius tax dodge has been ruled against.

    BBC News - Snail farm in city office sparks tax avoidance probe
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9904dz73pyo

    Lettuce not jump to conclusions on this one
    I'm wondering if HMRC are now off the leash to go for tax evasion, after 4 July.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,718
    Pope starts his career as England captain by showing he's a hopeless tosser.
  • Tim_in_RuislipTim_in_Ruislip Posts: 435
    edited August 21
    HYUFD said:
    Tory candidate drug-taking admissions/anecdotes/scandals ain’t wot they used to be.

    C’mon, up yer game.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,334

    Driver said:

    mercator said:

    ydoethur said:

    mercator said:

    MattW said:

    viewcode said:

    geoffw said:

    Nigelb said:

    geoffw said:

    The graph in the header contradicts its concluding phrase, "the momentum, pace Betfair, is with Harris."

    Why ?
    see edit of that post
    pace = latin term usually meaning 'despite' or 'notwithstanding'. Thus the sentence means "the momentum, notwithstanding Betfair, is with Harris."

    (Why a working class lad like TSE can't stick to English is beyond me.)
    I might be embarrassed here. I've used it for over a decade to mean "as per the arguments of" as per academic citation, and nobody's contradicted me. I shall check to make sure I've got it right.
    I think you use per for that without the extras, meaning "in accordance with".

    Nobody's contradicted you because none of them know.

    Wiki has a whole article about it:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_does_"per"_mean?
    Per is legalese not academese: An Englishman's home is his castle: Scratchy vs Itchy 1948 Court of Appeal per Denning LJ. In academese I think you just cite the paper if you agree with it. Nice things are nicer than nasty ones (Popper 1956).
    I think it actually originated in the Georgian navy. Captains had to write a report after every action. You would name any prizes you took in the margin, and the convention (to save time) was to write 'as per margin' in the main body of the report.
    I know a pompous chap who signs letters Yours etc. The joke being this is just a convention when printing a letter in a book, to save space, and the original letter will have ended I beg to remain sir your most humble and obedient servant
    I used to work at a place where a customer always signed emails "Yours aye". Never seen it before or since and still don't understand it...
    Scotch for Yours always I think.
    But you need to worry if it is "Yours aye richt".
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,865
    rkrkrk said:

    Barnesian said:

    kinabalu said:

    There's no corresponding move towards Trump in the key state markets. Not that I can see anyway and I'm all over them.

    I wonder if someone in the MAGA team is manipulating the market to deceive the orange man into thinking he's winning in order to quieten him down. It wouldn't cost much. Or am I wish-casting?

    Seriously, I don't understand the market movement. There seems to be no news event or poll data to justify it.
    Latest batch of polls look a little better for Trump? Electoral-vote gives him an edge in PA
    538 as DavidL mentioned below has Harris 1.3% ahead in Pennsylvania on average. Harris is also 2.8% ahead in Michigan, 3.2% ahead in Wisconsin and 0.7% ahead in Arizona.

    Trump is ahead 0.2% in North Carolina and 1.2% in Georgia, with Nevada tied


    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/pennsylvania/
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/michigan/
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/wisconsin/


    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/georgia/
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/north-carolina/
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/nevada/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,865
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    This might be pushing Trump in a bit ?

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/robert-f-kennedy-mulls-quitting-election-to-join-forces-with-trump/ar-AA1p8kzK?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=b2048ff591994866be619557f074c0e9&ei=29

    Robert F Kennedy Jr is considering dropping out of the presidential race and teaming up with Donald Trump to stop Kamala Harris from winning the election, his running mate has said.

    Nicole Shanahan, the independent candidate’s vice presidential running mate, said the pair are considering abandoning their bid for the White House in order to help Trump beat the Democrats.

    RFK Jr is drawing about equally from both candidates so I doubt it makes much difference either way
    If he drops out and endorses Trump, his Trump votes presumably go back to Trump, but do his Kamala votes go back to Kamala or Trump?
    Yougov had 44% of RFK Jr voters voting for Biden in 2020 and 37% for Trump, so really I suspect they split equally or stay home
    https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/49697-is-robert-f-kennedy-jr-drawing-more-support-from-biden-or-trump-poll
    Are those percentages, or absolute numbers of voters?
    The former
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,890
    rkrkrk said:

    kinabalu said:

    There's a whiff of corruption around Kennedy, isn't there, both personal and political.

    I think youll find that goes back several generations and nobody on the Dem side was that worried.
    It is bizarre to me that my parents generation of Democrats venerates the Kennedys. He was a very poor president, a poor human being but being good looking can apparently overcome everything.
    I've been listening to a few documentaries on Usonian gangsters over the last week or so.

    I did not realise that it was Richard Nixon who gave a Presidential Pardon to James Hoffa, the corrupt leader of the Teamsters who led them into bed with the Mafia, to get released from a long prison sentence. Hoffa allowed the pension fund to be used to provide $100m or more to be used to fund Mafia controlled casinos in Las Vegas.

    Presidential Pardons are one more aspect of the US system which need to be very heavily reformed.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,721
    ydoethur said:

    Pope starts his career as England captain by showing he's a hopeless tosser.

    Might be a good one to lose, as long as they don't give away too many runs by lunch.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,080
    There are 3 local by-elections tomorrow. We have a Con defence in Northumberland, a Lib Dem defence in Three Rivers, and an Ind defence in West Lothian.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,865
    edited August 21
    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Watched a little of the Obama speeches from last night. He remains a brilliant speaker - his timing is just spot on. For me, he's one of the great speakers though I'd rate Bill Clinton, at his prime, slightly higher.

    Michelle is a decent speaker as well and plenty will be wondering if the wrong Obama served two terms in the WH.

    I'm really struggling to think of a significant British political speech in the last decade. The UK Party Conferences aren't the same as the Democrat and Republican conventions which are quadrennial events.

    Bill Clinton speaking tonight.

    Cameron had a big speech at the 2005 Tory conference, Johnson and Corbyn made big speeches. Though by convention former PMs don't speak at their party conferences unlike former Presidents so as not to overshadow their successors as leader, albeit Thatcher did speak at a Tory rally in 2001
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuvi_TxC4XY
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,175
    rkrkrk said:

    kinabalu said:

    There's a whiff of corruption around Kennedy, isn't there, both personal and political.

    I think youll find that goes back several generations and nobody on the Dem side was that worried.
    It is bizarre to me that my parents generation of Democrats venerates the Kennedys. He was a very poor president, a poor human being but being good looking can apparently overcome everything.
    I think it's a little more complicated than that.
    IMO, the thing about both JFK and RFK, which isn't all that common in leaders, is that they learned from their political mistakes - RFK most dramatically. Both might have been remarkable presidents had they not been killed.
    We'll never know, of course.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,434
    UUP leadership update: candidates have until 30 August to collect the required nominations (35 signatures from 9 constituency associations)

    Robbie Butler MLA, the current deputy leader, has ruled himself out. There's talk of 3 possible candidates, including two previous leaders: Mike Nesbitt MLA, current NI Minister of Health and leader 2012-7; Robin Swann MP and leader 2017-9; and John Stewart MLA, Chief Whip.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379
    HYUFD said:
    "admitted"? Is it a bad thing?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,997
    edited August 21
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Watched a little of the Obama speeches from last night. He remains a brilliant speaker - his timing is just spot on. For me, he's one of the great speakers though I'd rate Bill Clinton, at his prime, slightly higher.

    Michelle is a decent speaker as well and plenty will be wondering if the wrong Obama served two terms in the WH.

    I'm really struggling to think of a significant British political speech in the last decade. The UK Party Conferences aren't the same as the Democrat and Republican conventions which are quadrennial events.

    Bill Clinton speaking tonight.

    Cameron had a big speech at the 2005 Tory conference, Johnson and Corbyn made big speeches. Though by convention former PMs don't speak at their party conferences unlike former Presidents so as not to overshadow their successors as leader, albeit Thatcher did speak at a Tory rally in 2001
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuvi_TxC4XY
    Bill Clinton was a very good speaker indeed, at least back in the ‘90s. He’s a bit older and slower now, but still probably more impressive than anyone else at the DNC this week.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,945
    Foxy said:

    Sadly it seems this genius tax dodge has been ruled against.

    BBC News - Snail farm in city office sparks tax avoidance probe
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9904dz73pyo

    Looks like they will have to slug it out in court
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,718
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Watched a little of the Obama speeches from last night. He remains a brilliant speaker - his timing is just spot on. For me, he's one of the great speakers though I'd rate Bill Clinton, at his prime, slightly higher.

    Michelle is a decent speaker as well and plenty will be wondering if the wrong Obama served two terms in the WH.

    I'm really struggling to think of a significant British political speech in the last decade. The UK Party Conferences aren't the same as the Democrat and Republican conventions which are quadrennial events.

    Bill Clinton speaking tonight.

    Cameron had a big speech at the 2005 Tory conference, Johnson and Corbyn made big speeches. Though by convention former PMs don't speak at their party conferences unlike former Presidents so as not to overshadow their successors as leader, albeit Thatcher did speak at a Tory rally in 2001
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuvi_TxC4XY
    Bill Clinton was a very good speaker indeed, at least back in the ‘90s. He’s a bit older and slower now, but still good.
    Fun fact - Bill Clinton is two months younger than Donald Trump.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,865
    edited August 21
    rkrkrk said:

    kinabalu said:

    There's a whiff of corruption around Kennedy, isn't there, both personal and political.

    I think youll find that goes back several generations and nobody on the Dem side was that worried.
    It is bizarre to me that my parents generation of Democrats venerates the Kennedys. He was a very poor president, a poor human being but being good looking can apparently overcome everything.
    Cuban Missile Crisis he did well, Bay of Pigs less so. He also cut taxes and grew the economy and began to move towards more civil rights for African Americans though LBJ did most of the work and created Medicare and Medicaid. JFK also avoided full on involvement in the Vietnam War which clouded LBJ's legacy and Bobby Kennedy in 1968 of course campaigned to end the war in Vietnam and for a negotiated settlement
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379
    Solution to the prison crisis. Sell the inner-city prisons for stacks of cash. Build megaprisons in the countryside for pennies.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/20/solution-to-prison-crisis-staring-us-in-the-face/
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,890
    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Sadly it seems this genius tax dodge has been ruled against.

    BBC News - Snail farm in city office sparks tax avoidance probe
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9904dz73pyo

    Looks like they will have to slug it out in court
    What a slimy lot.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    stodge said:

    Disapppinting borrowing numbers for July this morning and it now seems inevitable the sub editors will be throwing "Halloween Horror" all over the Chancellor's Autumn BUdget at the end of October.

    With energy prices also starting to turn up again, it's not going to be pleasant but we all knew deep down this kind of reckoning would have to happen somewhere down the line. We went through a painful economic readjustment in the early 10s and it may be the mid 2020s will be a similar period.

    I presume Reeves will be looking to get the public finances back under some measure of control and unlike Osborne and Alexander in 2011, I suspect there will be as much if not more emphasis on raising revenue from taxation than from cutting public spending.

    We probably can't go from £87.2 billion of borrowing to zero in one year or possibly even one Parliament though it would be useful to see a sense of direction of travel. No one is saying we shouldn't borrow - borrowing for long term capital expenditure is perfectly reasonable - but we need to get that borrowing down to sensible levels and get the debt interest payments (£7 billion last month) down if we can.

    Debt interest will only come down if we start to run a surplus and reduce debt. We are a very long way from that. As it is much of the debt that was borrowed at ultra low interest rates will have to be rolled over and borrowed at much higher rates over the next few years. The amount spent on debt interest is only going one way: up.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,220
    The messing around with fares on LNER may mess up ORR's estimates of station usage:

    https://x.com/seatsixtyone/status/1826185781020406056

    We now have a universal workaround for LNER fares.
    For travel London <> all stations Newcastle-Edinburgh inclusive, DO NOT book to/from London:
    1. Book to/from Finsbury Park
    2. In the search results, click 'Filters' then 'Route options'. Under 'Go via ' enter Kings Cross.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,997
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Watched a little of the Obama speeches from last night. He remains a brilliant speaker - his timing is just spot on. For me, he's one of the great speakers though I'd rate Bill Clinton, at his prime, slightly higher.

    Michelle is a decent speaker as well and plenty will be wondering if the wrong Obama served two terms in the WH.

    I'm really struggling to think of a significant British political speech in the last decade. The UK Party Conferences aren't the same as the Democrat and Republican conventions which are quadrennial events.

    Bill Clinton speaking tonight.

    Cameron had a big speech at the 2005 Tory conference, Johnson and Corbyn made big speeches. Though by convention former PMs don't speak at their party conferences unlike former Presidents so as not to overshadow their successors as leader, albeit Thatcher did speak at a Tory rally in 2001
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuvi_TxC4XY
    Bill Clinton was a very good speaker indeed, at least back in the ‘90s. He’s a bit older and slower now, but still good.
    Fun fact - Bill Clinton is two months younger than Donald Trump.
    Yes. Trump, GW Bush, and Clinton, were all born within two months of each other in the summer of 1946.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014

    Superb Convention speech by Michelle Obama. She would have been a great President, but having lived 8 years in the White House with all that entails, you can understand why she has no interest.

    The ability to give a good speech is not connected to ability in elective politics.

    I think it was Obama who said "Why is x still a problem? I gave a speech on that months ago."
    Obama gave great speeches and wrote very well. But his actual administration was incredibly ineffective.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,334
    edited August 21
    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:
    "admitted"? Is it a bad thing?
    If one is a diabetic and the chemists have run out because the trendsetters ...

    (Not sure of current state of play, mind.)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,633
    Nigelb said:

    rkrkrk said:

    kinabalu said:

    There's a whiff of corruption around Kennedy, isn't there, both personal and political.

    I think youll find that goes back several generations and nobody on the Dem side was that worried.
    It is bizarre to me that my parents generation of Democrats venerates the Kennedys. He was a very poor president, a poor human being but being good looking can apparently overcome everything.
    I think it's a little more complicated than that.
    IMO, the thing about both JFK and RFK, which isn't all that common in leaders, is that they learned from their political mistakes - RFK most dramatically. Both might have been remarkable presidents had they not been killed.
    We'll never know, of course.
    I recently read American Caesars by Nigel Hamilton, essentially an essay collection assessing the pros and cons of the run of US presidents from FDR to 'W'. It ranked JFK quite highly but not near the top.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,334
    edited August 21
    MattW said:

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Sadly it seems this genius tax dodge has been ruled against.

    BBC News - Snail farm in city office sparks tax avoidance probe
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9904dz73pyo

    Looks like they will have to slug it out in court
    What a slimy lot.
    It'll certainly be sorted out at a snail's pace, given the legal delays in the court system.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,608
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Watched a little of the Obama speeches from last night. He remains a brilliant speaker - his timing is just spot on. For me, he's one of the great speakers though I'd rate Bill Clinton, at his prime, slightly higher.

    Michelle is a decent speaker as well and plenty will be wondering if the wrong Obama served two terms in the WH.

    I'm really struggling to think of a significant British political speech in the last decade. The UK Party Conferences aren't the same as the Democrat and Republican conventions which are quadrennial events.

    Bill Clinton speaking tonight.

    Cameron had a big speech at the 2005 Tory conference, Johnson and Corbyn made big speeches. Though by convention former PMs don't speak at their party conferences unlike former Presidents so as not to overshadow their successors as leader, albeit Thatcher did speak at a Tory rally in 2001
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuvi_TxC4XY
    Corbyn spoke at the 2005 Conservative Conference???
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,633
    HYUFD said:

    rkrkrk said:

    kinabalu said:

    There's a whiff of corruption around Kennedy, isn't there, both personal and political.

    I think youll find that goes back several generations and nobody on the Dem side was that worried.
    It is bizarre to me that my parents generation of Democrats venerates the Kennedys. He was a very poor president, a poor human being but being good looking can apparently overcome everything.
    Cuban Missile Crisis he did well, Bay of Pigs less so. He also cut taxes and grew the economy and began to move towards more civil rights for African Americans though LBJ did most of the work and created Medicare and Medicaid. JFK also avoided full on involvement in the Vietnam War which clouded LBJ's legacy and Bobby Kennedy in 1968 of course campaigned to end the war in Vietnam and for a negotiated settlement
    He gave LBJ a bit of a hospital pass on Vietnam though.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    Russian stock market down 20% since May and 1/3 since pre-war if I have read this right.

    https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/stock-market
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,089
    viewcode said:

    Solution to the prison crisis. Sell the inner-city prisons for stacks of cash. Build megaprisons in the countryside for pennies.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/20/solution-to-prison-crisis-staring-us-in-the-face/

    Which will get hit by Human Rights judgements about distance between prisoners and families, IIRC.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,089
    DavidL said:

    Superb Convention speech by Michelle Obama. She would have been a great President, but having lived 8 years in the White House with all that entails, you can understand why she has no interest.

    The ability to give a good speech is not connected to ability in elective politics.

    I think it was Obama who said "Why is x still a problem? I gave a speech on that months ago."
    Obama gave great speeches and wrote very well. But his actual administration was incredibly ineffective.
    Biden (who Obama didn’t use effectively) had a long, long history of building the legislative coalitions that are needed to get laws through the American system.

    Which is what he did in his presidency - despite massive obstructionism by Republican leadership.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,447

    viewcode said:

    Solution to the prison crisis. Sell the inner-city prisons for stacks of cash. Build megaprisons in the countryside for pennies.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/20/solution-to-prison-crisis-staring-us-in-the-face/

    Which will get hit by Human Rights judgements about distance between prisoners and families, IIRC.
    More likely the double NIMBY effect of building flats in the cities and prisons in the countryside.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    MattW said:

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Sadly it seems this genius tax dodge has been ruled against.

    BBC News - Snail farm in city office sparks tax avoidance probe
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9904dz73pyo

    Looks like they will have to slug it out in court
    What a slimy lot.
    It's clearly just a shell operation.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,865

    viewcode said:

    Solution to the prison crisis. Sell the inner-city prisons for stacks of cash. Build megaprisons in the countryside for pennies.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/20/solution-to-prison-crisis-staring-us-in-the-face/

    Which will get hit by Human Rights judgements about distance between prisoners and families, IIRC.
    And Nimyism would be off the charts in rural areas and market towns at the prospect of new prisons near them. Better modernise the existing prisons and add a few more in remote areas like Dartmoor or the Yorkshire moors
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,997
    Ooh, I might have some cricket to watch this autumn.

    https://x.com/icc/status/1826099777181765991

    Women’s T20 World Cup has been moved by the ICC. Was originally scheduled to be held in Bangladesh but will now take place in the UAE.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,945
    edited August 21
    DavidL said:

    stodge said:

    Disapppinting borrowing numbers for July this morning and it now seems inevitable the sub editors will be throwing "Halloween Horror" all over the Chancellor's Autumn BUdget at the end of October.

    With energy prices also starting to turn up again, it's not going to be pleasant but we all knew deep down this kind of reckoning would have to happen somewhere down the line. We went through a painful economic readjustment in the early 10s and it may be the mid 2020s will be a similar period.

    I presume Reeves will be looking to get the public finances back under some measure of control and unlike Osborne and Alexander in 2011, I suspect there will be as much if not more emphasis on raising revenue from taxation than from cutting public spending.

    We probably can't go from £87.2 billion of borrowing to zero in one year or possibly even one Parliament though it would be useful to see a sense of direction of travel. No one is saying we shouldn't borrow - borrowing for long term capital expenditure is perfectly reasonable - but we need to get that borrowing down to sensible levels and get the debt interest payments (£7 billion last month) down if we can.

    Debt interest will only come down if we start to run a surplus and reduce debt. We are a very long way from that. As it is much of the debt that was borrowed at ultra low interest rates will have to be rolled over and borrowed at much higher rates over the next few years. The amount spent on debt interest is only going one way: up.
    Depends on how you are measuring it. As a percentage of GDP, you could simply outgrow it and all sorted. Easy. /s
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