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Are we underestimating the chances of James Cleverly? – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,219
edited August 26 in General
Are we underestimating the chances of James Cleverly? – politicalbetting.com

Among 2024 Tory voters there are two stand out leadership contestants: James Cleverly and Tom TugendhatNet favourability ratings for…James Cleverly: +16Tom Tugendhat: +15Robert Jenrick: +8Kemi Badenoch: +4Mel Stride: -8Priti Patel: -11https://t.co/7X03476KfS pic.twitter.com/J2rkpIJHYM

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  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,169
    First like..
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,452
    edited August 3
    Perhaps but it is not clear how ambitious James Cleverly is. Does he really want this or is he going through the motions? He has already been Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary so it is not clear Leader of the Opposition is much of a promotion. He was slow to declare, and was mooted as a caretaker if Rishi wanted to leave early.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,169
    Much as despise the slimy git, Jenrick sounded very confident and facilely plausible on R4 this am.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,843
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Much as despise the slimy git, Jenrick sounded very confident and facilely plausible on R4 this am.

    I take it that you don't like him....
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,238
    Well look who has the highest favourability score amongst the public...

    #Priti4Leader

  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Much as despise the slimy git, Jenrick sounded very confident and facilely plausible on R4 this am.

    I think he's the Tories' best bet. He means what he says. That gives him a huge advantage over the likes of Cleverley and poor old Tom Tugendhat.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Cleverly is presentable but not as bright as Jenrick or Tugendhat. He may end up being the Mordaunt of this leadership election and most MPs and members second choice but with Jenrick and Tugendhat making the last 2
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    Possibly. At the moment I think he's a slightly more blokey Sajid Javid, inoffensive and nice but potentially ineffective; however, I'm still open to considering him.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    edited August 3
    SandyRentool said:

    Well look who has the highest favourability score amongst the public...

    #Priti4Leader

    With a mere -51% net rating too
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    squareroot2 said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Much as despise the slimy git, Jenrick sounded very confident and facilely plausible on R4 this am.

    I take it that you don't like him....
    I'm not sure many do. But lots of politicians aren't especially "nice".

    I keep thinking of and seeing him as the LOTO notwithstanding that, which is possibly telling.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,169
    edited August 3
    Off topic with unseemly haste, the Dems appear to have quickly blocked off another line of attack by suspending the plea deal for the 9/11 planners. They really seem to have got their shit together.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Cleverley has got good communication skills and presentation skills and comes across really well. Whether he has the base in the party, I don`t know.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,937
    edited August 3
    FPT:
    FF43 said:

    HYUFD said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    TimS said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    darkage said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    rottenborough said:


    Sam Freedman
    @Samfr
    ·
    15m
    Apart from anything it's incredibly bad politics for Farage and his adviser Goodwin to associate their brand with rioting thugs.

    rottenborough said:


    Sam Freedman
    @Samfr
    ·
    15m
    Apart from anything it's incredibly bad politics for Farage and his adviser Goodwin to associate their brand with rioting thugs.

    It's also incredibly bad politics for Starmer and Cooper to go full Anti-Racist on them, which was and is entirely predictable, and highlight how heavily they'll have their collars felt without thinking - as Blair does - why some of the sentiments that lie behind this might have come about.

    Lots of politicians misplaying this.
    It isn't surprising that the labour party and the 'msm blob' settled on blaming the 'far right', quite comfortable and predictable ground, but then they end up branding everyone who thinks they are protesting against the slaughter of innocent children as a 'far right terrorist', therefore increasing the appeal of the 'far right', whilst reinforcing a perception that there was an establishment conspiracy regarding a cover up of the original event.

    Yep, all entirely predictable. But they're all very comfortable with playing that game.

    It's what they know, it's what they like to do, and it's what they'll be applauded for in their social and professional circles.

    Labour made the man tattooed in swastikas join the balaklavaed looters in Sunderland to target ethnic minorities and burn down a police station. And you accuse others of football team politics. Hilarious!
    This is all becoming rather January 6th. Elite right wingers excusing or even condoning violent thuggery because they’re peeved about the election.

    Yes, they are not taking it well. I did say before the election that even though you are prepared for defeat it always hits you much much harder once it has happened. I guess if you are not used to losing it hits even harder than that. But, even so, you'd have though that supporters of the party of law and order would, er, support law and order. But clearly there are caveats.

    I haven't seen Sunak or Cleverly say anything to excuse the riots and they are Tory leader and Shadow Home Secretary. Some EDL types may have voted for Boris but they prefer Farage and even more Tommy Robinson
    Indeed. Cleverly said the right thing about the riots; Badenoch the wrong thing. It is very straightforward.


    Good from Cleverly.

    I'm watching for whether Reform MPs continue their baiting. How far will that group go? Lee Anderson's behaviour is not encouraging afaics.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,724
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Much as despise the slimy git, Jenrick sounded very confident and facilely plausible on R4 this am.

    Yeah you get the sense he is effective at getting things done, unlike a lot of the post Johnson party who think making speeches and leaking stories to journalists is all the job entails.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,982
    Well.

    Ending Israel’s occupation of Palestine is moral necessity, says Justin Welby

    Archbishop of Canterbury calls for UK to support United Nations court ruling that annexation is ‘unlawful’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/02/end-israel-occupation-of-palestine-justin-welby/
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    Quite interesting how many pb regulars like @Heathener disappeared as soon as the election was won.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,106
    @Journo_Blair
    The place set alight last night was Citizens Advice, Sunderland. Its manager this morning told me they’re devastated and now trying to figure out how to help the people they were supposed to see #sunderland

    https://x.com/Journo_Blair/status/1819634883091681759
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516
    Profile of Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/02/kemi-badenoch-interview-integration-tory-leadership/
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well.

    Ending Israel’s occupation of Palestine is moral necessity, says Justin Welby

    Archbishop of Canterbury calls for UK to support United Nations court ruling that annexation is ‘unlawful’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/02/end-israel-occupation-of-palestine-justin-welby/

    Hardly surprising there's no trendy cause Welby wont endorse, it's easier than filling empty pews
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,452
    HYUFD said:

    Cleverly is presentable but not as bright as Jenrick or Tugendhat. He may end up being the Mordaunt of this leadership election and most MPs and members second choice but with Jenrick and Tugendhat making the last 2

    Cleverly never went to Cambridge, unlike Jenrick and Tugendhat. Whether that matters...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,982
    edited August 3
    Apple are the best, part 3,411

    Even Samsung’s chairman is livid his company keeps ripping off Apple designs

    https://9to5mac.com/2024/08/02/even-samsungs-chairman-is-livid-his-company-keeps-ripping-off-apple-designs/
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,929
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well.

    Ending Israel’s occupation of Palestine is moral necessity, says Justin Welby

    Archbishop of Canterbury calls for UK to support United Nations court ruling that annexation is ‘unlawful’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/02/end-israel-occupation-of-palestine-justin-welby/

    Any mention of Iran's war against Israel? Without mention of that it's all pretty meaningless.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,755
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/02/mark-adams-official-ioc-olympics-boxing-row-starmer-friend/

    The official at the centre of the Olympic boxing gender row was one of Sir Keir Starmer’s best men at his wedding.

    Mark Adams, the spokesman for the International Olympic Committee (IOC), has known the Prime Minister since the two men were at school together.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,724
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    FF43 said:

    HYUFD said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    TimS said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    darkage said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    rottenborough said:


    Sam Freedman
    @Samfr
    ·
    15m
    Apart from anything it's incredibly bad politics for Farage and his adviser Goodwin to associate their brand with rioting thugs.

    rottenborough said:


    Sam Freedman
    @Samfr
    ·
    15m
    Apart from anything it's incredibly bad politics for Farage and his adviser Goodwin to associate their brand with rioting thugs.

    It's also incredibly bad politics for Starmer and Cooper to go full Anti-Racist on them, which was and is entirely predictable, and highlight how heavily they'll have their collars felt without thinking - as Blair does - why some of the sentiments that lie behind this might have come about.

    Lots of politicians misplaying this.
    It isn't surprising that the labour party and the 'msm blob' settled on blaming the 'far right', quite comfortable and predictable ground, but then they end up branding everyone who thinks they are protesting against the slaughter of innocent children as a 'far right terrorist', therefore increasing the appeal of the 'far right', whilst reinforcing a perception that there was an establishment conspiracy regarding a cover up of the original event.

    Yep, all entirely predictable. But they're all very comfortable with playing that game.

    It's what they know, it's what they like to do, and it's what they'll be applauded for in their social and professional circles.

    Labour made the man tattooed in swastikas join the balaklavaed looters in Sunderland to target ethnic minorities and burn down a police station. And you accuse others of football team politics. Hilarious!
    This is all becoming rather January 6th. Elite right wingers excusing or even condoning violent thuggery because they’re peeved about the election.

    Yes, they are not taking it well. I did say before the election that even though you are prepared for defeat it always hits you much much harder once it has happened. I guess if you are not used to losing it hits even harder than that. But, even so, you'd have though that supporters of the party of law and order would, er, support law and order. But clearly there are caveats.

    I haven't seen Sunak or Cleverly say anything to excuse the riots and they are Tory leader and Shadow Home Secretary. Some EDL types may have voted for Boris but they prefer Farage and even more Tommy Robinson
    Indeed. Cleverly said the right thing about the riots; Badenoch the wrong thing. It is very straightforward.


    Good from Cleverly.

    I'm watching for whether Reform MPs continue their baiting. How far will that group go? Lee Anderson's behaviour is not encouraging afaics.
    Anderson had the grace to apologise after discovering a load of people staying at a travelodge in his constituency he was whipping up a frenzy over were family of NHS workers visiting over the summer holidays not asylum seekers.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,106
    Jenrick is popular because "he speaks like Suella but looks like Cameron"
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    Scott_xP said:

    Jenrick is popular because "he speaks like Suella but looks like Cameron"

    Very well put.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Casino_Royale said:

    Quite interesting how many pb regulars like @Heathener disappeared as soon as the election was won.

    She explicitly said she only comes here when there is exciting electoral politics on which she can bet. Given the name of the site, that seems perfectly fair
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    He really shouldn`t leave home without his wife.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,788
    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    I see Biden made my point, too.

    Reporter: Trump said he could have gotten the hostages out without giving anything in exchange. What do you say to that?

    Biden: Why didn't he do it when he was president?
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1819048370671071495

    BTW, when is Leon being let back, to tell us that he's senile to the point of incapacity ?
    Biden or Leon?
    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4917527/#Comment_4917527
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,788
    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    He doesn't have to.

    His term ends in January, not November...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,788
    SMukesh said:

    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    He really shouldn`t leave home without his wife.
    I thought Leon had got divorced?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,218
    moonshine said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/02/mark-adams-official-ioc-olympics-boxing-row-starmer-friend/

    The official at the centre of the Olympic boxing gender row was one of Sir Keir Starmer’s best men at his wedding.

    Mark Adams, the spokesman for the International Olympic Committee (IOC), has known the Prime Minister since the two men were at school together.

    He probably made a donation to the donkey sanctuary too.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    SMukesh said:

    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    He really shouldn`t leave home without his wife.
    It has reached that stage. Dementia so bad you need someone constantly at your side

    Jeez. Imagine if the Dems hadn’t asked for that early debate. Biden would now likely be cemented in place as the Dem nominee
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,452
    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    Given no-one follows the president onto the plane or seems the least bit concerned, one imagines he was thanking the crew (or possibly taking a leak).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    America has just dodged TWO bullets. Trump, literally and Biden, metaphorically
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,246
    As I said on the just expiring thread, Cleverly said the right thing about the riots (he condemned them for what they are), while Badenoch said the wrong thing. I suspect the general public will be on Cleverly's side, the right side, on this one.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    Given no-one follows the president onto the plane or seems the least bit concerned, one imagines he was thanking the crew (or possibly taking a leak).
    Seriously? Look at the confused and bewildered faces of everyone else. Look at the way they grab him as soon as steps down - to guide him safely away

    This is not a partisan point. Biden is out of the game - thank god. I can’t believe people are still trying to pretend he’s AOK. What’s the point??
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    SouthamObserver said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Much as despise the slimy git, Jenrick sounded very confident and facilely plausible on R4 this am.

    I think he's the Tories' best bet. He means what he says. That gives him a huge advantage over the likes of Cleverley and poor old Tom Tugendhat.

    I don't think Tom Tug is wet; the trouble is that he looks like he is.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,975
    Awful scenes yesterday in Sunderland, and my friend in Newcastle has been told by their friend at the RVI that they are on alert for a potential riot in Newcastle today.

    Time that we crack down on these micro-brain “patriots”. We can’t jail them as they are full, and they are a menace to society. So why not deport them to Rwanda? We already spent the money on that, let’s get best value for the taxpayer
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Leon said:

    SMukesh said:

    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    He really shouldn`t leave home without his wife.
    It has reached that stage. Dementia so bad you need someone constantly at your side

    Jeez. Imagine if the Dems hadn’t asked for that early debate. Biden would now likely be cemented in place as the Dem nominee
    It probably wasn`t in Trump`s interest to agree to an early debate and now he is in a much closer race.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,755
    Leon said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    Given no-one follows the president onto the plane or seems the least bit concerned, one imagines he was thanking the crew (or possibly taking a leak).
    Seriously? Look at the confused and bewildered faces of everyone else. Look at the way they grab him as soon as steps down - to guide him safely away

    This is not a partisan point. Biden is out of the game - thank god. I can’t believe people are still trying to pretend he’s AOK. What’s the point??
    The fiction must be maintained for a while longer yet. He’s not just there to sign appropriation bills, he must be seen as Commander in Chief in control of things. And things are looking a bit spicy again suddenly in the Middle East
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,169
    Tres said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Much as despise the slimy git, Jenrick sounded very confident and facilely plausible on R4 this am.

    Yeah you get the sense he is effective at getting things done, unlike a lot of the post Johnson party who think making speeches and leaking stories to journalists is all the job entails.
    Apart from anything else, I sense after months if not years of stumbling, tetchy, defensive Conservative reps reluctantly doing the media rounds supporters are desperate for someone who's up for it.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,169
    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    Given no-one follows the president onto the plane or seems the least bit concerned, one imagines he was thanking the crew (or possibly taking a leak).
    Seriously? Look at the confused and bewildered faces of everyone else. Look at the way they grab him as soon as steps down - to guide him safely away

    This is not a partisan point. Biden is out of the game - thank god. I can’t believe people are still trying to pretend he’s AOK. What’s the point??
    The fiction must be maintained for a while longer yet. He’s not just there to sign appropriation bills, he must be seen as Commander in Chief in control of things. And things are looking a bit spicy again suddenly in the Middle East
    Suddenly?!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    Given no-one follows the president onto the plane or seems the least bit concerned, one imagines he was thanking the crew (or possibly taking a leak).
    Seriously? Look at the confused and bewildered faces of everyone else. Look at the way they grab him as soon as steps down - to guide him safely away

    This is not a partisan point. Biden is out of the game - thank god. I can’t believe people are still trying to pretend he’s AOK. What’s the point??
    The fiction must be maintained for a while longer yet. He’s not just there to sign appropriation bills, he must be seen as Commander in Chief in control of things. And things are looking a bit spicy again suddenly in the Middle East
    Indeed. And this is not reassuring. Biden is so tonto he can’t even speak - but Harris chatters gibberish

    https://x.com/davidsacks/status/1819409074804732206?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    It’s not a great state of affairs. But Harris is nonetheless an improvement on Crazy Joe
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,755
    Theuniondivvie said:

    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    Given no-one follows the president onto the plane or seems the least bit concerned, one imagines he was thanking the crew (or possibly taking a leak).
    Seriously? Look at the confused and bewildered faces of everyone else. Look at the way they grab him as soon as steps down - to guide him safely away

    This is not a partisan point. Biden is out of the game - thank god. I can’t believe people are still trying to pretend he’s AOK. What’s the point??
    The fiction must be maintained for a while longer yet. He’s not just there to sign appropriation bills, he must be seen as Commander in Chief in control of things. And things are looking a bit spicy again suddenly in the Middle East
    Suddenly?!
    Bluntly, Israelis and Gazans shooting at each other doesn’t impact the global security order. The Houthis in the Suez is pretty inconvenient but is now priced into the global supply chain.

    But there is margin for error when we’re likely to see another episode of US jets taking out Iranian launched missiles and drones.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Awful scenes yesterday in Sunderland, and my friend in Newcastle has been told by their friend at the RVI that they are on alert for a potential riot in Newcastle today.

    Time that we crack down on these micro-brain “patriots”. We can’t jail them as they are full, and they are a menace to society. So why not deport them to Rwanda? We already spent the money on that, let’s get best value for the taxpayer

    These riots could now become a feature not a bug

    Why? Because the underlying cause - mass immigration and unchecked boat people - is not going away. It might easily get worse. There will be another Southport, another Manchester arena - tragically. And next time the explosion will be instant

    Starmer doesn’t appear to remotely understand this. He thinks it’s a passing issue of civil disorder
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,452
    Leon said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    Given no-one follows the president onto the plane or seems the least bit concerned, one imagines he was thanking the crew (or possibly taking a leak).
    Seriously? Look at the confused and bewildered faces of everyone else. Look at the way they grab him as soon as steps down - to guide him safely away

    This is not a partisan point. Biden is out of the game - thank god. I can’t believe people are still trying to pretend he’s AOK. What’s the point??
    Seriously? The leader of the free world goes awol and no-one cares? Isn't it a teensy bit more likely he said, hold on, I'll just see the pilot or some such?

    As I said yesterday, I backed Kamala at 16s because it looked more and more obvious Biden did not have another four years in him, so I was more invested than you in Biden being past it, but this really does not look like a smoking gun.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    Given no-one follows the president onto the plane or seems the least bit concerned, one imagines he was thanking the crew (or possibly taking a leak).
    Seriously? Look at the confused and bewildered faces of everyone else. Look at the way they grab him as soon as steps down - to guide him safely away

    This is not a partisan point. Biden is out of the game - thank god. I can’t believe people are still trying to pretend he’s AOK. What’s the point??
    Seriously? The leader of the free world goes awol and no-one cares? Isn't it a teensy bit more likely he said, hold on, I'll just see the pilot or some such?

    As I said yesterday, I backed Kamala at 16s because it looked more and more obvious Biden did not have another four years in him, so I was more invested than you in Biden being past it, but this really does not look like a smoking gun.
    I’m not even gonna bother arguing. If you want to believe Joe Biden is on tiptop form you go right ahead
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    Leon said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Awful scenes yesterday in Sunderland, and my friend in Newcastle has been told by their friend at the RVI that they are on alert for a potential riot in Newcastle today.

    Time that we crack down on these micro-brain “patriots”. We can’t jail them as they are full, and they are a menace to society. So why not deport them to Rwanda? We already spent the money on that, let’s get best value for the taxpayer

    These riots could now become a feature not a bug

    Why? Because the underlying cause - mass immigration and unchecked boat people - is not going away. It might easily get worse. There will be another Southport, another Manchester arena - tragically. And next time the explosion will be instant

    Starmer doesn’t appear to remotely understand this. He thinks it’s a passing issue of civil disorder
    Da Libz (and @RochdalePioneers is one) will only ever think it's the far-right and a crackdown will sort it and make it go away.

    They have zero desire to engage any further than that because it would require them to ask some difficult questions.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    Given no-one follows the president onto the plane or seems the least bit concerned, one imagines he was thanking the crew (or possibly taking a leak).
    Yeah, but he's not, is he?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Casino_Royale said:

    Leon said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Awful scenes yesterday in Sunderland, and my friend in Newcastle has been told by their friend at the RVI that they are on alert for a potential riot in Newcastle today.

    Time that we crack down on these micro-brain “patriots”. We can’t jail them as they are full, and they are a menace to society. So why not deport them to Rwanda? We already spent the money on that, let’s get best value for the taxpayer

    These riots could now become a feature not a bug

    Why? Because the underlying cause - mass immigration and unchecked boat people - is not going away. It might easily get worse. There will be another Southport, another Manchester arena - tragically. And next time the explosion will be instant

    Starmer doesn’t appear to remotely understand this. He thinks it’s a passing issue of civil disorder
    Da Libz (and @RochdalePioneers is one) will only ever think it's the far-right and a crackdown will sort it and make it go away.

    They have zero desire to engage any further than that because it would require them to ask some difficult questions.
    Absolutely. And it makes me grimly pessimistic
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,788
    Leon said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Leon said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Awful scenes yesterday in Sunderland, and my friend in Newcastle has been told by their friend at the RVI that they are on alert for a potential riot in Newcastle today.

    Time that we crack down on these micro-brain “patriots”. We can’t jail them as they are full, and they are a menace to society. So why not deport them to Rwanda? We already spent the money on that, let’s get best value for the taxpayer

    These riots could now become a feature not a bug

    Why? Because the underlying cause - mass immigration and unchecked boat people - is not going away. It might easily get worse. There will be another Southport, another Manchester arena - tragically. And next time the explosion will be instant

    Starmer doesn’t appear to remotely understand this. He thinks it’s a passing issue of civil disorder
    Da Libz (and @RochdalePioneers is one) will only ever think it's the far-right and a crackdown will sort it and make it go away.

    They have zero desire to engage any further than that because it would require them to ask some difficult questions.
    Absolutely. And it makes me grimly pessimistic
    That bottle of wine must have been really quite something.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,755
    edited August 3
    Leon said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Awful scenes yesterday in Sunderland, and my friend in Newcastle has been told by their friend at the RVI that they are on alert for a potential riot in Newcastle today.

    Time that we crack down on these micro-brain “patriots”. We can’t jail them as they are full, and they are a menace to society. So why not deport them to Rwanda? We already spent the money on that, let’s get best value for the taxpayer

    These riots could now become a feature not a bug

    Why? Because the underlying cause - mass immigration and unchecked boat people - is not going away. It might easily get worse. There will be another Southport, another Manchester arena - tragically. And next time the explosion will be instant

    Starmer doesn’t appear to remotely understand this. He thinks it’s a passing issue of civil disorder
    We’re headed into an era of immigration that’s not been seen in modern history, possibly since the centuries post the fall of Rome. Doesn’t matter what Ed Miliband does with wind turbines and boilers, globally we are going to fail on global warming targets. And no one seems to want to talk about what that means.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    Given no-one follows the president onto the plane or seems the least bit concerned, one imagines he was thanking the crew (or possibly taking a leak).
    Seriously? Look at the confused and bewildered faces of everyone else. Look at the way they grab him as soon as steps down - to guide him safely away

    This is not a partisan point. Biden is out of the game - thank god. I can’t believe people are still trying to pretend he’s AOK. What’s the point??
    Seriously? The leader of the free world goes awol and no-one cares? Isn't it a teensy bit more likely he said, hold on, I'll just see the pilot or some such?

    As I said yesterday, I backed Kamala at 16s because it looked more and more obvious Biden did not have another four years in him, so I was more invested than you in Biden being past it, but this really does not look like a smoking gun.
    Ha ha. Nice try. Biden keeps taking these detours to see pilots or say hi to military personnel packing their bags.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    The Tories need someone white and racist which cuts their choice down to one.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,452
    Leon said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    Given no-one follows the president onto the plane or seems the least bit concerned, one imagines he was thanking the crew (or possibly taking a leak).
    Seriously? Look at the confused and bewildered faces of everyone else. Look at the way they grab him as soon as steps down - to guide him safely away

    This is not a partisan point. Biden is out of the game - thank god. I can’t believe people are still trying to pretend he’s AOK. What’s the point??
    Seriously? The leader of the free world goes awol and no-one cares? Isn't it a teensy bit more likely he said, hold on, I'll just see the pilot or some such?

    As I said yesterday, I backed Kamala at 16s because it looked more and more obvious Biden did not have another four years in him, so I was more invested than you in Biden being past it, but this really does not look like a smoking gun.
    I’m not even gonna bother arguing. If you want to believe Joe Biden is on tiptop form you go right ahead
    Read it again. I was ahead of you, at least in cash terms, in seeing that Biden had to go. I think I even posted that he should resign early so Kamala would fight the November election as incumbent.

    But the story has moved on. Now it is Trump who increasingly seems out of it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,788
    Roger said:

    The Tories need someone white and racist which cuts their choice down to one.

    I didn't know Corbyn was standing.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    Leon said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Awful scenes yesterday in Sunderland, and my friend in Newcastle has been told by their friend at the RVI that they are on alert for a potential riot in Newcastle today.

    Time that we crack down on these micro-brain “patriots”. We can’t jail them as they are full, and they are a menace to society. So why not deport them to Rwanda? We already spent the money on that, let’s get best value for the taxpayer

    These riots could now become a feature not a bug

    Why? Because the underlying cause - mass immigration and unchecked boat people - is not going away. It might easily get worse. There will be another Southport, another Manchester arena - tragically. And next time the explosion will be instant

    Starmer doesn’t appear to remotely understand this. He thinks it’s a passing issue of civil disorder
    Part of the problem is that Starmer has zero credibility and his actions have made things worse not better

    Solemn press conferences promising to metaphorically cosh them all is fine if you react that way to any riot. But not when you only do it with rioters whos root political cause you despise as oppose to sympathise with.

    7th June 2020.

    “27 police officers injured during largely peaceful anti-racism protests in London”

    https://x.com/bbcnews/status/1269574979680702470

    [Wikipedia] "In London, BLM protesters clashed with police. A protester was seen climbing onto The Cenotaph war memorial and attempted to set the Union Jack on fire.[102] The words "was a racist" were painted onto a statue of Sir Winston Churchill."

    "A crowd of at least 5,000 people marched from Bristol's College Green to The Centre where they tore down the statue, dragged and dumped it into Bristol Harbour.[106][107] The empty plinth was used as a stage for protesters"

    9th June 2020.

    @keirstarmer We kneel with all those opposing anti-Black racism. #BlackLivesMatter

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428.

    Note the word "All"







  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,755
    Roger said:

    The Tories need someone white and racist which cuts their choice down to one.

    It must be strange to inhabit the inside of your head. Not that it’s particularly interesting, but have a flick back through the skin colour of Tory leaders and Chancellors in the last decade.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,452
    Casino_Royale said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    Given no-one follows the president onto the plane or seems the least bit concerned, one imagines he was thanking the crew (or possibly taking a leak).
    Yeah, but he's not, is he?
    The behaviour of everyone else shows they were unconcerned, so this was not, whatever Leon's Twitter sources say, a case of presidential marble lossage.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,724
    edited August 3
    MisterBedfordshire said:

    Leon said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Awful scenes yesterday in Sunderland, and my friend in Newcastle has been told by their friend at the RVI that they are on alert for a potential riot in Newcastle today.

    Time that we crack down on these micro-brain “patriots”. We can’t jail them as they are full, and they are a menace to society. So why not deport them to Rwanda? We already spent the money on that, let’s get best value for the taxpayer

    These riots could now become a feature not a bug

    Why? Because the underlying cause - mass immigration and unchecked boat people - is not going away. It might easily get worse. There will be another Southport, another Manchester arena - tragically. And next time the explosion will be instant

    Starmer doesn’t appear to remotely understand this. He thinks it’s a passing issue of civil disorder
    Part of the problem is that Starmer has zero credibility and his actions have made things worse not better

    Solemn press conferences promising to metaphorically cosh them all is fine if you react that way to any riot. But not when you only do it with rioters whos root political cause you despise as oppose to sympathise with.

    7th June 2020.

    “27 police officers injured during largely peaceful anti-racism protests in London”

    https://x.com/bbcnews/status/1269574979680702470

    [Wikipedia] "In London, BLM protesters clashed with police. A protester was seen climbing onto The Cenotaph war memorial and attempted to set the Union Jack on fire.[102] The words "was a racist" were painted onto a statue of Sir Winston Churchill."

    "A crowd of at least 5,000 people marched from Bristol's College Green to The Centre where they tore down the statue, dragged and dumped it into Bristol Harbour.[106][107] The empty plinth was used as a stage for protesters"

    9th June 2020.

    @keirstarmer We kneel with all those opposing anti-Black racism. #BlackLivesMatter

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428.

    Note the word "All"







    Starmer really winds you up doesn't he? Guessing it similar to how a lot of us felt about Johnson.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,218
    edited August 3
    Casino_Royale said:

    Leon said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Awful scenes yesterday in Sunderland, and my friend in Newcastle has been told by their friend at the RVI that they are on alert for a potential riot in Newcastle today.

    Time that we crack down on these micro-brain “patriots”. We can’t jail them as they are full, and they are a menace to society. So why not deport them to Rwanda? We already spent the money on that, let’s get best value for the taxpayer

    These riots could now become a feature not a bug

    Why? Because the underlying cause - mass immigration and unchecked boat people - is not going away. It might easily get worse. There will be another Southport, another Manchester arena - tragically. And next time the explosion will be instant

    Starmer doesn’t appear to remotely understand this. He thinks it’s a passing issue of civil disorder
    Da Libz (and @RochdalePioneers is one) will only ever think it's the far-right and a crackdown will sort it and make it go away.

    They have zero desire to engage any further than that because it would require them to ask some difficult questions.
    If we start seeing mass demonstrations of thousands of people marching with banners, then you may have a point. At the moment it is tattooed football hooligans throwing things at mosques. Everyone can see who they are. Did you all wonder out loud whether you should engage in the “very real concerns” of the rioters in Leeds a couple of weeks ago? Nope.

    Mind you there were tens of thousands of marchers with EU flag banners multiple times in the years after the referendum and the government just ignored them or told them they were thwarting the will of the people.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,177
    Space Comedy post -

    https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/08/yes-nasa-really-could-bring-starliners-astronauts-back-on-crew-dragon/

    Yup, looks increasingly like Boeing has screwed the pooch on this one. Again.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516
    Roger said:

    The Tories need someone white and racist which cuts their choice down to one.

    Is Keir Starmer free ?
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,755
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    Given no-one follows the president onto the plane or seems the least bit concerned, one imagines he was thanking the crew (or possibly taking a leak).
    Yeah, but he's not, is he?
    The behaviour of everyone else shows they were unconcerned, so this was not, whatever Leon's Twitter sources say, a case of presidential marble lossage.
    If they are unconcerned, it’s because Joe isn’t in charge of decisions and hasn’t been for quite some time. Do we really think he’s the one who is calibrating US action vs Iran this weekend?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,177
    MisterBedfordshire said:

    Leon said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Awful scenes yesterday in Sunderland, and my friend in Newcastle has been told by their friend at the RVI that they are on alert for a potential riot in Newcastle today.

    Time that we crack down on these micro-brain “patriots”. We can’t jail them as they are full, and they are a menace to society. So why not deport them to Rwanda? We already spent the money on that, let’s get best value for the taxpayer

    These riots could now become a feature not a bug

    Why? Because the underlying cause - mass immigration and unchecked boat people - is not going away. It might easily get worse. There will be another Southport, another Manchester arena - tragically. And next time the explosion will be instant

    Starmer doesn’t appear to remotely understand this. He thinks it’s a passing issue of civil disorder
    Part of the problem is that Starmer has zero credibility and his actions have made things worse not better

    Solemn press conferences promising to metaphorically cosh them all is fine if you react that way to any riot. But not when you only do it with rioters whos root political cause you despise as oppose to sympathise with.

    7th June 2020.

    “27 police officers injured during largely peaceful anti-racism protests in London”

    https://x.com/bbcnews/status/1269574979680702470

    [Wikipedia] "In London, BLM protesters clashed with police. A protester was seen climbing onto The Cenotaph war memorial and attempted to set the Union Jack on fire.[102] The words "was a racist" were painted onto a statue of Sir Winston Churchill."

    "A crowd of at least 5,000 people marched from Bristol's College Green to The Centre where they tore down the statue, dragged and dumped it into Bristol Harbour.[106][107] The empty plinth was used as a stage for protesters"

    9th June 2020.

    @keirstarmer We kneel with all those opposing anti-Black racism. #BlackLivesMatter

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428.

    Note the word "All"







    Which people and group opposing anti-Black racism do you object to? And why?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,137
    On the topic: I hope so, as him winning will keep me out of the poorhouse.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,106
    Leon said:

    These riots could now become a feature not a bug

    Why? Because the underlying cause - mass immigration and unchecked boat people - is not going away.

    Starmer doesn’t appear to remotely understand this. He thinks it’s a passing issue of civil disorder

    Racists rioting, looting and burning, is an issue of civil disorder
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,106
    @fleetstreetfox
    Still waiting to hear @RishiSunak publicly condemn the racist thugs chanting his personal slogan while smashing shit up. Or does this not matter?

    https://x.com/fleetstreetfox/status/1819314360407179494
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,947
    Leon said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    Given no-one follows the president onto the plane or seems the least bit concerned, one imagines he was thanking the crew (or possibly taking a leak).
    Seriously? Look at the confused and bewildered faces of everyone else. Look at the way they grab him as soon as steps down - to guide him safely away

    This is not a partisan point. Biden is out of the game - thank god. I can’t believe people are still trying to pretend he’s AOK. What’s the point??
    You can't see any faces. Nobody grabs him or leads him away. He walks to the other people. They do not walk to him. You just imagined all of that. He may have gone onto the plane because he is gaga or he might of been thanking the crew. Either is equally possibly, but you can only see one and imagine the rest.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,469
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Leon said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Awful scenes yesterday in Sunderland, and my friend in Newcastle has been told by their friend at the RVI that they are on alert for a potential riot in Newcastle today.

    Time that we crack down on these micro-brain “patriots”. We can’t jail them as they are full, and they are a menace to society. So why not deport them to Rwanda? We already spent the money on that, let’s get best value for the taxpayer

    These riots could now become a feature not a bug

    Why? Because the underlying cause - mass immigration and unchecked boat people - is not going away. It might easily get worse. There will be another Southport, another Manchester arena - tragically. And next time the explosion will be instant

    Starmer doesn’t appear to remotely understand this. He thinks it’s a passing issue of civil disorder
    Da Libz (and @RochdalePioneers is one) will only ever think it's the far-right and a crackdown will sort it and make it go away.

    They have zero desire to engage any further than that because it would require them to ask some difficult questions.
    Absolutely. And it makes me grimly pessimistic
    That bottle of wine must have been really quite something.
    Different wine with each course, wasn't it?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,177
    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    The Tories need someone white and racist which cuts their choice down to one.

    I didn't know Corbyn was standing.
    Kemi Badenoch and Priti Patel are actually White Men.

    Didn’t you get the memo?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,929
    I'm not sure how big a problem this rioting will be. Where are the large scale protests? If it's political you would expect a broad majority of peaceful protesters and a minority of rioters. Otherwise it just looks like thugs on the rampage. What does grate is the difference in tone that some in the political class adopt between Leeds and Rochdale versus Sunderland. In the first there is a degree of excuse making in the second none at all.

    I don't doubt events on Monday will make Labour more worried about the impact of the small boats issue. Will they make any policy change? Not sure.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    edited August 3
    Tres said:

    MisterBedfordshire said:

    Leon said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Awful scenes yesterday in Sunderland, and my friend in Newcastle has been told by their friend at the RVI that they are on alert for a potential riot in Newcastle today.

    Time that we crack down on these micro-brain “patriots”. We can’t jail them as they are full, and they are a menace to society. So why not deport them to Rwanda? We already spent the money on that, let’s get best value for the taxpayer

    These riots could now become a feature not a bug

    Why? Because the underlying cause - mass immigration and unchecked boat people - is not going away. It might easily get worse. There will be another Southport, another Manchester arena - tragically. And next time the explosion will be instant

    Starmer doesn’t appear to remotely understand this. He thinks it’s a passing issue of civil disorder
    Part of the problem is that Starmer has zero credibility and his actions have made things worse not better

    Solemn press conferences promising to metaphorically cosh them all is fine if you react that way to any riot. But not when you only do it with rioters whos root political cause you despise as oppose to sympathise with.

    7th June 2020.

    “27 police officers injured during largely peaceful anti-racism protests in London”

    https://x.com/bbcnews/status/1269574979680702470

    [Wikipedia] "In London, BLM protesters clashed with police. A protester was seen climbing onto The Cenotaph war memorial and attempted to set the Union Jack on fire.[102] The words "was a racist" were painted onto a statue of Sir Winston Churchill."

    "A crowd of at least 5,000 people marched from Bristol's College Green to The Centre where they tore down the statue, dragged and dumped it into Bristol Harbour.[106][107] The empty plinth was used as a stage for protesters"

    9th June 2020.

    @keirstarmer We kneel with all those opposing anti-Black racism. #BlackLivesMatter

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428.

    Note the word "All"







    Starmer really winds you up doesn't he?

    Its not me you need to worry about. I'm happy to sit here in rural Bedfordshire on a glorious summer day and watch while he implodes under his own contradictions and look forward to the next election, relishing watching their most sacred shibboleths like the Climate Change act slowly screwing them.

    The millions who can't get a roof over their heads except at eyewatering prices due to competition from immigrants and unable to get anything other than low paid wprk due to plentiful immigrants meaning employers can get away with low wages.

    They are getting VERY wound up and there are rather a lot of them.

    I actually feel sorry for the immigrants who are being exploited by the powers that be for cheap labour and political gain.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,452
    moonshine said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    Given no-one follows the president onto the plane or seems the least bit concerned, one imagines he was thanking the crew (or possibly taking a leak).
    Yeah, but he's not, is he?
    The behaviour of everyone else shows they were unconcerned, so this was not, whatever Leon's Twitter sources say, a case of presidential marble lossage.
    If they are unconcerned, it’s because Joe isn’t in charge of decisions and hasn’t been for quite some time. Do we really think he’s the one who is calibrating US action vs Iran this weekend?
    Do you really think, if they thought the president was in any danger, they'd have not gone after him? They didn't, so they didn't, from which I infer they already knew why he'd gone on the plane.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,469
    Oh, and on topic:

    Cleverly (or whoever emerges from that lane) does have another path to winning. The candidates to his right risk saying something so dumb that they have to withdraw, giving him a walkover in the membership vote.

    Worked for May.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516
    So riots on the streets and our PM says he knocks off at 5 and doesnt do weekends.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,283
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    Given no-one follows the president onto the plane or seems the least bit concerned, one imagines he was thanking the crew (or possibly taking a leak).
    Seriously? Look at the confused and bewildered faces of everyone else. Look at the way they grab him as soon as steps down - to guide him safely away

    This is not a partisan point. Biden is out of the game - thank god. I can’t believe people are still trying to pretend he’s AOK. What’s the point??
    Seriously? The leader of the free world goes awol and no-one cares? Isn't it a teensy bit more likely he said, hold on, I'll just see the pilot or some such?

    As I said yesterday, I backed Kamala at 16s because it looked more and more obvious Biden did not have another four years in him, so I was more invested than you in Biden being past it, but this really does not look like a smoking gun.
    Leon's been shown to be wrong on Biden's incapacity so many times in the last few days, he's just getting desperate.
    As Joe said yesterday to one of his fellow hacks, "you're stuck with me, kid".

    Biden is decrepit, and four more years is a joke, but that's pretty well it.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,106
    FrankBooth said:

    I don't doubt events on Monday will make Labour more worried about the impact of the small boats issue. Will they make any policy change? Not sure.

    How does torching a CAB help Stop the Boats?

    It doesn't.

    If Labour change any policies to appease these racists fukwits then democracy is dead.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,788
    Malmesbury said:

    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    The Tories need someone white and racist which cuts their choice down to one.

    I didn't know Corbyn was standing.
    Kemi Badenoch and Priti Patel are actually White Men.

    Didn’t you get the memo?
    It was lost in trans shit.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516
    Nigelb said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    Given no-one follows the president onto the plane or seems the least bit concerned, one imagines he was thanking the crew (or possibly taking a leak).
    Seriously? Look at the confused and bewildered faces of everyone else. Look at the way they grab him as soon as steps down - to guide him safely away

    This is not a partisan point. Biden is out of the game - thank god. I can’t believe people are still trying to pretend he’s AOK. What’s the point??
    Seriously? The leader of the free world goes awol and no-one cares? Isn't it a teensy bit more likely he said, hold on, I'll just see the pilot or some such?

    As I said yesterday, I backed Kamala at 16s because it looked more and more obvious Biden did not have another four years in him, so I was more invested than you in Biden being past it, but this really does not look like a smoking gun.
    Leon's been shown to be wrong on Biden's incapacity so many times in the last few days, he's just getting desperate.
    As Joe said yesterday to one of his fellow hacks, "you're stuck with me, kid".

    Biden is decrepit, and four more years is a joke, but that's pretty well it.
    Oh leave off @Leon you spent ages defending Biden and his ability to do 4 more years.

    In truth Biden;s probably borderline in the job. Like most seniors with declining mental faculties he will have his good days and his bad days and the bad evetually outnumber the good.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,929
    Scott_xP said:

    FrankBooth said:

    I don't doubt events on Monday will make Labour more worried about the impact of the small boats issue. Will they make any policy change? Not sure.

    How does torching a CAB help Stop the Boats?

    It doesn't.

    If Labour change any policies to appease these racists fukwits then democracy is dead.
    Do you not know the days of the week? Monday was the day three girls were stabbed to death and many more could have been by the son of Rwandan migrants. You're a fool if you don't think that won't influence the public at all.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,788
    Tres said:

    I'm calling it, almost a month of Labour government and Starmer derangement syndrome exists. One poster has a sub Reeves derangement syndrome variant.

    Oh come on.

    One month?

    BJO has been suffering from that for four solid years.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,150
    Alanbrooke said:

    So riots on the streets and our PM says he knocks off at 5 and doesnt do weekends.

    No, he does Friday night dinner.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    Omg. Excruciating but…. Funny…. But excruciating

    Biden wanders away and climbs on an empty plane for no reason

    https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1819412448698302651?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I wonder if he can last until November

    Given no-one follows the president onto the plane or seems the least bit concerned, one imagines he was thanking the crew (or possibly taking a leak).
    Seriously? Look at the confused and bewildered faces of everyone else. Look at the way they grab him as soon as steps down - to guide him safely away

    This is not a partisan point. Biden is out of the game - thank god. I can’t believe people are still trying to pretend he’s AOK. What’s the point??
    You can't see any faces. Nobody grabs him or leads him away. He walks to the other people. They do not walk to him. You just imagined all of that. He may have gone onto the plane because he is gaga or he might of been thanking the crew. Either is equally possibly, but you can only see one and imagine the rest.
    Anyone with a brain can read the body language and expressions of the bystanders, in that video

    Also, I’m pretty sure the POTUS’ security dudes are meant to follow him EVERYWHERE. He’s not allowed to disappear out of sight for two minutes, not in a public place

    They don’t follow him on to the plane. Because they do not expect him to get on the plane. Because the plane is empty. You can see how discomfited they are. After about a minute one speaks with Harris as she nervously laughs and appears to ask - shall I go on. And he edges near the plane

    But they are aware it is all being filmed and they know it looks bad so they just pray the senile old fool swiftly exits. Which he does. Then they whisk him away
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    Scott_xP said:

    FrankBooth said:

    I don't doubt events on Monday will make Labour more worried about the impact of the small boats issue. Will they make any policy change? Not sure.

    How does torching a CAB help Stop the Boats?

    It doesn't.

    If Labour change any policies to appease these racists fukwits then democracy is dead.
    How does tipping a statue into a river in Bristol and injuring 27 police officers in London help the cause of anti-racism?

    Didn't stop Starmer and Rayner kneeling in their honour two days later.

    Didn't think that one through properly did they?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516
    Tres said:

    I'm calling it, almost a month of Labour government and Starmer derangement syndrome exists. One poster has a sub Reeves derangement syndrome variant.

    My father was a toolmaker you know.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    Tres said:

    I'm calling it, almost a month of Labour government and Starmer derangement syndrome exists. One poster has a sub Reeves derangement syndrome variant.

    Rachel Reeves Beeching
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 489
    Alanbrooke said:

    So riots on the streets and our PM says he knocks off at 5 and doesnt do weekends.

    *he will try to knock off at 5 on a Friday night to observe Jewish tradition with his family.... there I fixed it for you. And I am sure he will skip that if there is an emergency.

    Not a good faith reading of what he said on your behalf.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516
    Foxy said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    So riots on the streets and our PM says he knocks off at 5 and doesnt do weekends.

    No, he does Friday night dinner.

    Not in Sunderland I assume
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,150
    Roger said:

    The Tories need someone white and racist which cuts their choice down to one.

    It will be a white male IMO.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    edited August 3
    Very true ...

    I keep thinking how 3 little girls were killed & more were hurt & traumatised, & instead of talking about their precious lives, we are being forced to focus on violent entitled white men burning cars & towns, who don’t give a shit about women’s & girls’ safety.

    https://x.com/sianushka/status/1819617021321003401
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516
    Cleitophon said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    So riots on the streets and our PM says he knocks off at 5 and doesnt do weekends.

    *he will try to knock off at 5 on a Friday night to observe Jewish tradition with his family.... there I fixed it for you. And I am sure he will skip that if there is an emergency.

    Not a good faith reading of what he said on your behalf.
    What has good faith go to do with it ? Ask 10 million pensioners.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,177
    ydoethur said:

    Malmesbury said:

    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    The Tories need someone white and racist which cuts their choice down to one.

    I didn't know Corbyn was standing.
    Kemi Badenoch and Priti Patel are actually White Men.

    Didn’t you get the memo?
    It was lost in trans shit.
    Do you mean trans shitment?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    The Tories need someone white and racist which cuts their choice down to one.

    It will be a white male IMO.
    How terrible - just the same as Labour
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    MisterBedfordshire said:

    Scott_xP said:

    FrankBooth said:

    I don't doubt events on Monday will make Labour more worried about the impact of the small boats issue. Will they make any policy change? Not sure.

    How does torching a CAB help Stop the Boats?

    It doesn't.

    If Labour change any policies to appease these racists fukwits then democracy is dead.
    How does tipping a statue into a river in Bristol and injuring 27 police officers in London help the cause of anti-racism?

    Didn't stop Starmer and Rayner kneeling in their honour two days later.

    Didn't think that one through properly did they?

    Keir Starmer: pulling down Edward Colston statue was wrong

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/08/keir-starmer-edward-colston-bristol-statue-wrong

  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    SouthamObserver said:

    MisterBedfordshire said:

    Scott_xP said:

    FrankBooth said:

    I don't doubt events on Monday will make Labour more worried about the impact of the small boats issue. Will they make any policy change? Not sure.

    How does torching a CAB help Stop the Boats?

    It doesn't.

    If Labour change any policies to appease these racists fukwits then democracy is dead.
    How does tipping a statue into a river in Bristol and injuring 27 police officers in London help the cause of anti-racism?

    Didn't stop Starmer and Rayner kneeling in their honour two days later.

    Didn't think that one through properly did they?

    Keir Starmer: pulling down Edward Colston statue was wrong

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/08/keir-starmer-edward-colston-bristol-statue-wrong

    He took the knee for BLM two days AFTER the London riots
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    MisterBedfordshire said:

    Tres said:

    MisterBedfordshire said:

    Leon said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Awful scenes yesterday in Sunderland, and my friend in Newcastle has been told by their friend at the RVI that they are on alert for a potential riot in Newcastle today.

    Time that we crack down on these micro-brain “patriots”. We can’t jail them as they are full, and they are a menace to society. So why not deport them to Rwanda? We already spent the money on that, let’s get best value for the taxpayer

    These riots could now become a feature not a bug

    Why? Because the underlying cause - mass immigration and unchecked boat people - is not going away. It might easily get worse. There will be another Southport, another Manchester arena - tragically. And next time the explosion will be instant

    Starmer doesn’t appear to remotely understand this. He thinks it’s a passing issue of civil disorder
    Part of the problem is that Starmer has zero credibility and his actions have made things worse not better

    Solemn press conferences promising to metaphorically cosh them all is fine if you react that way to any riot. But not when you only do it with rioters whos root political cause you despise as oppose to sympathise with.

    7th June 2020.

    “27 police officers injured during largely peaceful anti-racism protests in London”

    https://x.com/bbcnews/status/1269574979680702470

    [Wikipedia] "In London, BLM protesters clashed with police. A protester was seen climbing onto The Cenotaph war memorial and attempted to set the Union Jack on fire.[102] The words "was a racist" were painted onto a statue of Sir Winston Churchill."

    "A crowd of at least 5,000 people marched from Bristol's College Green to The Centre where they tore down the statue, dragged and dumped it into Bristol Harbour.[106][107] The empty plinth was used as a stage for protesters"

    9th June 2020.

    @keirstarmer We kneel with all those opposing anti-Black racism. #BlackLivesMatter

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428.

    Note the word "All"







    Starmer really winds you up doesn't he?
    Its not me you need to worry about. I'm happy to sit here in rural Bedfordshire on a glorious summer day and watch while he implodes under his own contradictions and look forward to the next election, relishing watching their most sacred shibboleths like the Climate Change act slowly screwing them.

    The millions who can't get a roof over their heads except at eyewatering prices due to competition from immigrants and unable to get anything other than low paid wprk due to plentiful immigrants meaning employers can get away with low wages.

    They are getting VERY wound up and there are rather a lot of them.

    I actually feel sorry for the immigrants who are being exploited by the powers that be for cheap labour and political gain.



    If what you say is true, why isn't Reform now the party of government?

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