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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,995
    Nailed on penalty, he went for the ball rather than to block a shot. The commentators are talking rubbish.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,378
    That was soft.

    Glad to be on level terms but should never have been a penalty.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 79,961
    That dodgy German ref been talking to the Croatians again?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,376
    Lol comical penalty decision, Kane kicked him 😂😂😂 anyway 1-1
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,528
    Go feet in that high, you are at real risk of a penalty if you clatter somebody.

    So OF COURSE it was a pen!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 7,772
    Makes a mockery of the Armstrong decision
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,378
    tlg86 said:

    Nailed on penalty, he went for the ball rather than to block a shot. The commentators are talking rubbish.

    Since when are defenders not allowed to go for a ball?

    Going for the ball is fair enough, had he gone for the player instead of the ball it should be a penalty.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,574
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    FPT

    "The problem the Tories have is that they are ridiculously addicted to Drama. I think because of all of the bonkersness that they foisted on the country since 2016. They just love this stuff. The squabbles, the leaking, the arguments, the recriminations. They can’t get enough of it.

    They run the party like a soap opera. Until they realise that people are really not very impressed with this sh*t, to put it bluntly, then they are not going to recover.

    The fact Badenoch has waded in to the latest Drama does not bode well if she becomes leader."

    This. At present, I'm inclined to vote against both.

    I want a grown-up who stamps this culture out.

    You need a Keir Starmer. Con the members with some juicy right wing rhetoric, become leader, then execute The Project - of becoming serious, moderate and electable again.
    No, they need a Kinnock.

    Someone from the right, who is bold enough and bad enough to take the right on, tell them straight that they can’t continue living on Fantasy Island, and to be tough with those who won’t play ball.

    Now that must narrow the field. Who’s left?

    The Tories haven't even got to the right yet, Sunak and Hunt were the centrist candidates against Truss and Boris remember!

    They also lost far more voters to Reform on July 4th than to Labour and the LDs. Most Conservative members and indeed many Tory MPs want some rightwing red meat now.

    Clearly you haven’t studied Ashcroft’s exit poll. The Tories lost more 2019 voters to the opposition parties of the left than they did to Reform.
    Yougov has 25% of 2019 Conservative voters voting Reform in 2024 to only 10% of 2019 Conservative voters switching to Labour and just 7% to the LDs and 2% to the Greens

    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49978-how-britain-voted-in-the-2024-general-election

    Why don't we look at how the "classes" matched up between 2024 and 2019:

    AB: Labour 36% (+6), Conservatives 25% (-20), Liberal Democrats 14% (-2)
    C1: Labour 36% (+4), Conservatives 23% (-22). Liberal Democrats 13% (+1)
    C2: Labour 32% (nc), Conservatives 24% (-23), Liberal Democrats 11% (+2)
    DE: Labour 34% (-7), Conservatives 23% (-18), Liberal Democrats 10% (+1)


    That pretty much tells you all you need to know especially around where the Labour gains were and possibly why the Conservatives managed to hold 30-40 seats which looked as though they could fall to either Labour or the LDs.

    As an aside, Redfield & Wilton picked up higher levels of uncertainty among women voting than men and it looks as though the DK women broke disproportionately back to the Conservatives.

    There's increasing evidence the "supermajority" meme had some impact in the final days but I'm very much of the view a lot of Labour supporters just didn't bother to vote as the result seemed a foregone conclusion. I hope someone is tracking turnout numbers by constituency - my suspicion is the biggest falls in turnout will be in those areas which were nominally "safe" for Labour.
    Yes Reform are now the most working class party, not Labour. The LDs the most middle class party, not the Tories.

    Age and home ownership status is the biggest difference between Tories and Labour now not social class and income
    Here's the chart you want.

    All the constituencies, deprived on left, undeprived on right. Colours as you'd expect.



    https://twitter.com/undertheraedar/status/1810214903971459216

    Suspect Reform are the party of people and places that don't see themselves as doing well, but are doing better than they realise.
    The seats they won tend to be doing worse than some well-off neighbours.
    They are doing relatively badly, not absolutely.
    Anyone whose been to Skeggy or Great Yarmouth know they aren't doing well.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,222
    Pulpstar said:

    Lol comical penalty decision, Kane kicked him 😂😂😂 anyway 1-1

    Kane quite clearly didn't, as he kicked the ball.

    But harsh decision.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,405

    tlg86 said:

    Nailed on penalty, he went for the ball rather than to block a shot. The commentators are talking rubbish.

    Since when are defenders not allowed to go for a ball?

    Going for the ball is fair enough, had he gone for the player instead of the ball it should be a penalty.
    Going for the ball and getting the other player instead is a foul.

    Attempting to block a shot and having someone kick you is not a foul.

    Which was it? Not clear and obvious.


    Anyway, apart from the goal conceded, England have been looking better.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,494
    Goal?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,003
    Nearly!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 7,772

    tlg86 said:

    Nailed on penalty, he went for the ball rather than to block a shot. The commentators are talking rubbish.

    Since when are defenders not allowed to go for a ball?

    Going for the ball is fair enough, had he gone for the player instead of the ball it should be a penalty.
    When it goes to the screen with the slo mo it always looks like the defender tried to kill him.

    Plus the social pressure not to make the check a waste of time.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 58,992
    Ballesteros, the bullfighter. That's what I call him.... ..he combines.. all the beauty of a ballerina.. with the hard nosed, ruthless thuggery of a bastard.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,273
    I’m thinking of challenges in the league I’ve seen where red cards have been given because even though the player went for the ball they damaged the player so a foul.
  • England decided to wake up.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,995

    tlg86 said:

    Nailed on penalty, he went for the ball rather than to block a shot. The commentators are talking rubbish.

    Since when are defenders not allowed to go for a ball?

    Going for the ball is fair enough, had he gone for the player instead of the ball it should be a penalty.
    Ummm, the way it works is, if you go for the ball and miss it and kick and opponent, a foul is awarded. This isn’t a difficult concept.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,494
    At least there’s a bit of life to this game
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,378
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nailed on penalty, he went for the ball rather than to block a shot. The commentators are talking rubbish.

    Since when are defenders not allowed to go for a ball?

    Going for the ball is fair enough, had he gone for the player instead of the ball it should be a penalty.
    Ummm, the way it works is, if you go for the ball and miss it and kick and opponent, a foul is awarded. This isn’t a difficult concept.
    Sorry but I think its bloody soft and players regularly catch each other without it being a penalty.

    Kane had already taken the shot so no goal scoring opportunity was blocked either.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 7,772
    IanB2 said:

    Goal?

    That's as far over the line as it was in '66.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,378
    Eabhal said:

    IanB2 said:

    Goal?

    That's as far over the line as it was in '66.
    But not as far over the line as Lampard's non-goal of 2010.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,995

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nailed on penalty, he went for the ball rather than to block a shot. The commentators are talking rubbish.

    Since when are defenders not allowed to go for a ball?

    Going for the ball is fair enough, had he gone for the player instead of the ball it should be a penalty.
    Ummm, the way it works is, if you go for the ball and miss it and kick and opponent, a foul is awarded. This isn’t a difficult concept.
    Sorry but I think its bloody soft and players regularly catch each other without it being a penalty.

    Kane had already taken the shot so no goal scoring opportunity was blocked either.
    That last sentence shows you know fuck all about the laws of the game.

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,995
    IanB2 said:

    At least there’s a bit of life to this game

    The Dutch can be got at. Switzerland are a much better team, England should win this.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,574
    This is turning out to be quite entertaining.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 58,992
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nailed on penalty, he went for the ball rather than to block a shot. The commentators are talking rubbish.

    Since when are defenders not allowed to go for a ball?

    Going for the ball is fair enough, had he gone for the player instead of the ball it should be a penalty.
    Ummm, the way it works is, if you go for the ball and miss it and kick and opponent, a foul is awarded. This isn’t a difficult concept.
    So Reform should be awarded a foul then?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,222
    Eabhal said:

    IanB2 said:

    Goal?

    That's as far over the line as it was in '66.
    I don't think we can expect two marginal decisions in our favour.
    That's just not England.
  • DeclanFDeclanF Posts: 30
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Odds on Biden being the Democrat nominee on betfair shifting quite a bit today.

    1.54 @1pm

    To

    1.92 @5pm

    There’s some good money to be made day trading that market at the moment, following the ups and downs of a party and media elite tearing itself apart.
    I think it's almost inevitable that Biden goes now. The only question is when it happens.
    Unless another Democrat starts polling significantly better v Trump than Biden does and is willing to run and challenge Biden at the convention it certainly isn't
    Every time Biden goes up on stage, he will perform a little bit worse, because that is the nature of mental decline. And Americans are not electing a President to take them through to Christmas, they are electing one who is expected to be compis mentis through to the end of 2028.

    The comparison with even the video reel of him the White House released in February is quite marked.
    I’m fairly sure he’s capable of discharging the duties of his office for the next four months - but four years ? No.
    It is beyond stupid.

    The Dems are condemning the rest of the world to Trump 2.0 chaos and danger because they don't want to upset an old man and his stupidly ambitious wife.

    The NY Times opinion writers and board all have it right.

    I'm fucking :rage:
    Most of PB told me I was "ranting on" when I started mentioning Biden's obvious senility about a year ago
    You’re always ranting on, the subject matter is immaterial.
    I'm nearly always RIGHT

    More notably, I'm usually right against the PB consensus, because you are all a bit intellectually mediocre, and you all herd like some pathetic sheepfold of bleating centrist dads. Soz
    Utter bollocks. Cyclefree is more right than you on most stuff. See the header for instance. Or on the PO which you thought was a non-story until even you had to admit it. She'd wipe the floor with you.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,200
    Probably 2nd best game of the tournament so far.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,003
    Nearly!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 52,701
    DeclanF said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Odds on Biden being the Democrat nominee on betfair shifting quite a bit today.

    1.54 @1pm

    To

    1.92 @5pm

    There’s some good money to be made day trading that market at the moment, following the ups and downs of a party and media elite tearing itself apart.
    I think it's almost inevitable that Biden goes now. The only question is when it happens.
    Unless another Democrat starts polling significantly better v Trump than Biden does and is willing to run and challenge Biden at the convention it certainly isn't
    Every time Biden goes up on stage, he will perform a little bit worse, because that is the nature of mental decline. And Americans are not electing a President to take them through to Christmas, they are electing one who is expected to be compis mentis through to the end of 2028.

    The comparison with even the video reel of him the White House released in February is quite marked.
    I’m fairly sure he’s capable of discharging the duties of his office for the next four months - but four years ? No.
    It is beyond stupid.

    The Dems are condemning the rest of the world to Trump 2.0 chaos and danger because they don't want to upset an old man and his stupidly ambitious wife.

    The NY Times opinion writers and board all have it right.

    I'm fucking :rage:
    Most of PB told me I was "ranting on" when I started mentioning Biden's obvious senility about a year ago
    You’re always ranting on, the subject matter is immaterial.
    I'm nearly always RIGHT

    More notably, I'm usually right against the PB consensus, because you are all a bit intellectually mediocre, and you all herd like some pathetic sheepfold of bleating centrist dads. Soz
    Utter bollocks. Cyclefree is more right than you on most stuff. See the header for instance. Or on the PO which you thought was a non-story until even you had to admit it. She'd wipe the floor with you.
    lol. Thanks "Declan"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,222
    Leon said:

    DeclanF said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Odds on Biden being the Democrat nominee on betfair shifting quite a bit today.

    1.54 @1pm

    To

    1.92 @5pm

    There’s some good money to be made day trading that market at the moment, following the ups and downs of a party and media elite tearing itself apart.
    I think it's almost inevitable that Biden goes now. The only question is when it happens.
    Unless another Democrat starts polling significantly better v Trump than Biden does and is willing to run and challenge Biden at the convention it certainly isn't
    Every time Biden goes up on stage, he will perform a little bit worse, because that is the nature of mental decline. And Americans are not electing a President to take them through to Christmas, they are electing one who is expected to be compis mentis through to the end of 2028.

    The comparison with even the video reel of him the White House released in February is quite marked.
    I’m fairly sure he’s capable of discharging the duties of his office for the next four months - but four years ? No.
    It is beyond stupid.

    The Dems are condemning the rest of the world to Trump 2.0 chaos and danger because they don't want to upset an old man and his stupidly ambitious wife.

    The NY Times opinion writers and board all have it right.

    I'm fucking :rage:
    Most of PB told me I was "ranting on" when I started mentioning Biden's obvious senility about a year ago
    You’re always ranting on, the subject matter is immaterial.
    I'm nearly always RIGHT

    More notably, I'm usually right against the PB consensus, because you are all a bit intellectually mediocre, and you all herd like some pathetic sheepfold of bleating centrist dads. Soz
    Utter bollocks. Cyclefree is more right than you on most stuff. See the header for instance. Or on the PO which you thought was a non-story until even you had to admit it. She'd wipe the floor with you.
    lol. Thanks "Declan"
    Declan's correct, 'Leon'.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,528
    Andy_JS said:

    Probably 2nd best game of the tournament so far.

    And the best game was only a first half....
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,378
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nailed on penalty, he went for the ball rather than to block a shot. The commentators are talking rubbish.

    Since when are defenders not allowed to go for a ball?

    Going for the ball is fair enough, had he gone for the player instead of the ball it should be a penalty.
    Ummm, the way it works is, if you go for the ball and miss it and kick and opponent, a foul is awarded. This isn’t a difficult concept.
    Sorry but I think its bloody soft and players regularly catch each other without it being a penalty.

    Kane had already taken the shot so no goal scoring opportunity was blocked either.
    That last sentence shows you know fuck all about the laws of the game.

    It is in the laws of the game.

    Denying a goal scoring opportunity is in the laws of the game a reason for a yellow card, as the referee gave to the defender.

    Not sure the specific reason why he gave the yellow, but it wasn't a goal scoring opportunity denied since the strike had already happened.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,995

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nailed on penalty, he went for the ball rather than to block a shot. The commentators are talking rubbish.

    Since when are defenders not allowed to go for a ball?

    Going for the ball is fair enough, had he gone for the player instead of the ball it should be a penalty.
    Ummm, the way it works is, if you go for the ball and miss it and kick and opponent, a foul is awarded. This isn’t a difficult concept.
    Sorry but I think its bloody soft and players regularly catch each other without it being a penalty.

    Kane had already taken the shot so no goal scoring opportunity was blocked either.
    That last sentence shows you know fuck all about the laws of the game.

    It is in the laws of the game.

    Denying a goal scoring opportunity is in the laws of the game a reason for a yellow card, as the referee gave to the defender.

    Not sure the specific reason why he gave the yellow, but it wasn't a goal scoring opportunity denied since the strike had already happened.
    He gave a yellow because it was a studs up tackle. Seen red for less.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 52,701
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    DeclanF said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Odds on Biden being the Democrat nominee on betfair shifting quite a bit today.

    1.54 @1pm

    To

    1.92 @5pm

    There’s some good money to be made day trading that market at the moment, following the ups and downs of a party and media elite tearing itself apart.
    I think it's almost inevitable that Biden goes now. The only question is when it happens.
    Unless another Democrat starts polling significantly better v Trump than Biden does and is willing to run and challenge Biden at the convention it certainly isn't
    Every time Biden goes up on stage, he will perform a little bit worse, because that is the nature of mental decline. And Americans are not electing a President to take them through to Christmas, they are electing one who is expected to be compis mentis through to the end of 2028.

    The comparison with even the video reel of him the White House released in February is quite marked.
    I’m fairly sure he’s capable of discharging the duties of his office for the next four months - but four years ? No.
    It is beyond stupid.

    The Dems are condemning the rest of the world to Trump 2.0 chaos and danger because they don't want to upset an old man and his stupidly ambitious wife.

    The NY Times opinion writers and board all have it right.

    I'm fucking :rage:
    Most of PB told me I was "ranting on" when I started mentioning Biden's obvious senility about a year ago
    You’re always ranting on, the subject matter is immaterial.
    I'm nearly always RIGHT

    More notably, I'm usually right against the PB consensus, because you are all a bit intellectually mediocre, and you all herd like some pathetic sheepfold of bleating centrist dads. Soz
    Utter bollocks. Cyclefree is more right than you on most stuff. See the header for instance. Or on the PO which you thought was a non-story until even you had to admit it. She'd wipe the floor with you.
    lol. Thanks "Declan"
    Declan's correct, 'Leon'.
    I shall refraim from resurrecting the many many comments where you claimed Biden is fine, not senile, just a bit doddery, getting old, all good, he simply wanders off a bit, and that I was "ranting on"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,222
    “This morning, I learned about the permission to use Storm Shadow missiles against military targets in Russian territory.” This would be a shift in UK policy.
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1811121542228791707
  • Somebody I recall telling us Liz Truss would surprise on the upside.

    That Reform were storming the youth vote.

    That Reform were going to get dozens of seats.

    Etc

    Etc
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,494
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    DeclanF said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Odds on Biden being the Democrat nominee on betfair shifting quite a bit today.

    1.54 @1pm

    To

    1.92 @5pm

    There’s some good money to be made day trading that market at the moment, following the ups and downs of a party and media elite tearing itself apart.
    I think it's almost inevitable that Biden goes now. The only question is when it happens.
    Unless another Democrat starts polling significantly better v Trump than Biden does and is willing to run and challenge Biden at the convention it certainly isn't
    Every time Biden goes up on stage, he will perform a little bit worse, because that is the nature of mental decline. And Americans are not electing a President to take them through to Christmas, they are electing one who is expected to be compis mentis through to the end of 2028.

    The comparison with even the video reel of him the White House released in February is quite marked.
    I’m fairly sure he’s capable of discharging the duties of his office for the next four months - but four years ? No.
    It is beyond stupid.

    The Dems are condemning the rest of the world to Trump 2.0 chaos and danger because they don't want to upset an old man and his stupidly ambitious wife.

    The NY Times opinion writers and board all have it right.

    I'm fucking :rage:
    Most of PB told me I was "ranting on" when I started mentioning Biden's obvious senility about a year ago
    You’re always ranting on, the subject matter is immaterial.
    I'm nearly always RIGHT

    More notably, I'm usually right against the PB consensus, because you are all a bit intellectually mediocre, and you all herd like some pathetic sheepfold of bleating centrist dads. Soz
    Utter bollocks. Cyclefree is more right than you on most stuff. See the header for instance. Or on the PO which you thought was a non-story until even you had to admit it. She'd wipe the floor with you.
    lol. Thanks "Declan"
    Declan's correct, 'Leon'.
    I shall refraim from resurrecting the many many comments where you claimed Biden is fine, not senile, just a bit doddery, getting old, all good, he simply wanders off a bit, and that I was "ranting on"
    Fuck off and watch the football; ranting on with this nonsense. What’s wrong with you?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,378
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Nailed on penalty, he went for the ball rather than to block a shot. The commentators are talking rubbish.

    Since when are defenders not allowed to go for a ball?

    Going for the ball is fair enough, had he gone for the player instead of the ball it should be a penalty.
    Ummm, the way it works is, if you go for the ball and miss it and kick and opponent, a foul is awarded. This isn’t a difficult concept.
    Sorry but I think its bloody soft and players regularly catch each other without it being a penalty.

    Kane had already taken the shot so no goal scoring opportunity was blocked either.
    That last sentence shows you know fuck all about the laws of the game.

    It is in the laws of the game.

    Denying a goal scoring opportunity is in the laws of the game a reason for a yellow card, as the referee gave to the defender.

    Not sure the specific reason why he gave the yellow, but it wasn't a goal scoring opportunity denied since the strike had already happened.
    He gave a yellow because it was a studs up tackle. Seen red for less.

    And seen no foul given for more too.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 52,701
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    DeclanF said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Odds on Biden being the Democrat nominee on betfair shifting quite a bit today.

    1.54 @1pm

    To

    1.92 @5pm

    There’s some good money to be made day trading that market at the moment, following the ups and downs of a party and media elite tearing itself apart.
    I think it's almost inevitable that Biden goes now. The only question is when it happens.
    Unless another Democrat starts polling significantly better v Trump than Biden does and is willing to run and challenge Biden at the convention it certainly isn't
    Every time Biden goes up on stage, he will perform a little bit worse, because that is the nature of mental decline. And Americans are not electing a President to take them through to Christmas, they are electing one who is expected to be compis mentis through to the end of 2028.

    The comparison with even the video reel of him the White House released in February is quite marked.
    I’m fairly sure he’s capable of discharging the duties of his office for the next four months - but four years ? No.
    It is beyond stupid.

    The Dems are condemning the rest of the world to Trump 2.0 chaos and danger because they don't want to upset an old man and his stupidly ambitious wife.

    The NY Times opinion writers and board all have it right.

    I'm fucking :rage:
    Most of PB told me I was "ranting on" when I started mentioning Biden's obvious senility about a year ago
    You’re always ranting on, the subject matter is immaterial.
    I'm nearly always RIGHT

    More notably, I'm usually right against the PB consensus, because you are all a bit intellectually mediocre, and you all herd like some pathetic sheepfold of bleating centrist dads. Soz
    Utter bollocks. Cyclefree is more right than you on most stuff. See the header for instance. Or on the PO which you thought was a non-story until even you had to admit it. She'd wipe the floor with you.
    lol. Thanks "Declan"
    Declan's correct, 'Leon'.
    I shall refraim from resurrecting the many many comments where you claimed Biden is fine, not senile, just a bit doddery, getting old, all good, he simply wanders off a bit, and that I was "ranting on"
    Fuck off and watch the football; ranting on with this nonsense. What’s wrong with you?
    hah
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,222
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    DeclanF said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Odds on Biden being the Democrat nominee on betfair shifting quite a bit today.

    1.54 @1pm

    To

    1.92 @5pm

    There’s some good money to be made day trading that market at the moment, following the ups and downs of a party and media elite tearing itself apart.
    I think it's almost inevitable that Biden goes now. The only question is when it happens.
    Unless another Democrat starts polling significantly better v Trump than Biden does and is willing to run and challenge Biden at the convention it certainly isn't
    Every time Biden goes up on stage, he will perform a little bit worse, because that is the nature of mental decline. And Americans are not electing a President to take them through to Christmas, they are electing one who is expected to be compis mentis through to the end of 2028.

    The comparison with even the video reel of him the White House released in February is quite marked.
    I’m fairly sure he’s capable of discharging the duties of his office for the next four months - but four years ? No.
    It is beyond stupid.

    The Dems are condemning the rest of the world to Trump 2.0 chaos and danger because they don't want to upset an old man and his stupidly ambitious wife.

    The NY Times opinion writers and board all have it right.

    I'm fucking :rage:
    Most of PB told me I was "ranting on" when I started mentioning Biden's obvious senility about a year ago
    You’re always ranting on, the subject matter is immaterial.
    I'm nearly always RIGHT

    More notably, I'm usually right against the PB consensus, because you are all a bit intellectually mediocre, and you all herd like some pathetic sheepfold of bleating centrist dads. Soz
    Utter bollocks. Cyclefree is more right than you on most stuff. See the header for instance. Or on the PO which you thought was a non-story until even you had to admit it. She'd wipe the floor with you.
    lol. Thanks "Declan"
    Declan's correct, 'Leon'.
    I shall refraim from resurrecting the many many comments where you claimed Biden is fine, not senile, just a bit doddery, getting old, all good, he simply wanders off a bit, and that I was "ranting on"
    Go ahead.
    Doesn't bother me.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,200
    edited July 10
    More from the Suella / Kemi psychodrama.

    https://x.com/SuellaBraverman/status/1811075448337477749

    "Suella Braverman MP
    @SuellaBraverman

    Kemi, and the rest of the cabinet, should not have nodded along, as they and Rishi took the party to disaster.

    The refusal to take responsibility is at the root of our problem.

    It was not someone else’s fault."
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,200

    Somebody I recall telling us Liz Truss would surprise on the upside.

    That Reform were storming the youth vote.

    That Reform were going to get dozens of seats.

    Etc

    Etc

    Reform did beat the Tories with the youth vote.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,528
    The Spanish will be asking "Where did this England team come from?"
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,378
    Andy_JS said:

    Somebody I recall telling us Liz Truss would surprise on the upside.

    That Reform were storming the youth vote.

    That Reform were going to get dozens of seats.

    Etc

    Etc

    Reform did beat the Tories with the youth vote.
    Which says far more about how badly the Tories did with the youth vote, than how well Reform did with it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,416
    ...
    Andy_JS said:

    More from the Suella / Kemi psychodrama.

    https://x.com/SuellaBraverman/status/1811075448337477749

    "Suella Braverman MP
    @SuellaBraverman

    Kemi, and the rest of the cabinet, should not have nodded along, as they and Rishi took the party to disaster.

    The refusal to take responsibility is at the root of our problem.

    It was not someone else’s fault."

    Maybe if Suella had been given a Cabinet role she could have kept them all under control. Oh well, I suppose we shall never know.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 52,701
    23C at neatly 10pm. Such delicate softness
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,416

    The Spanish will be asking "Where did this England team come from?"

    What might have been. If only Rishi had kept the GE under wraps for another fortnight.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,452
    https://x.com/peterjhasson/status/1811105021146103824

    MSNBC’s Chuck Todd says Biden’s refusal to step aside has made him “rethink a lot of the Biden biography. I still can’t believe he ran for president in the first place, given that his family was in crisis in 2018…You look at what has happened, I can’t believe he has put his family through this. And now, looking at his behavior now, in clinging to this, I think the entire narrative on Joe Biden is gonna change, in that everything’s always been about his ambition and his ambition comes first.”
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,574
    Andy_JS said:

    More from the Suella / Kemi psychodrama.

    https://x.com/SuellaBraverman/status/1811075448337477749

    "Suella Braverman MP
    @SuellaBraverman

    Kemi, and the rest of the cabinet, should not have nodded along, as they and Rishi took the party to disaster.

    The refusal to take responsibility is at the root of our problem.

    It was not someone else’s fault."

    They really don't like each other do they?

    Let's hope they take each other down.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,273


    This is finally more like a Premier league match which hopefully allows the best to come out of the English players, and of course the Dutch PL players. Mitch fun though.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,188
    England will be disappointed to finish this half level. They have bossed this and created more chances than in all their games to date.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,378
    Still think it was a very soft penalty, but England have been the better side that half and deserve not to be behind. A bit of karmic balance going on.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,003
    England did well!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,200
    edited July 10
    Correct score, Betfair Xchange

    1-1 -> 3.35
    Eng 2, Neth 1 -> 5.2
    Neth 2, Eng 1 -> 7.2
    2-2 -> 8.2

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/football/market/1.230477038
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,494
    Goal! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
    DavidL said:

    England will be disappointed to finish this half level. They have bossed this and created more chances than in all their games to date.

    But haven’t scored a goal in play
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,323
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    More from the Suella / Kemi psychodrama.

    https://x.com/SuellaBraverman/status/1811075448337477749

    "Suella Braverman MP
    @SuellaBraverman

    Kemi, and the rest of the cabinet, should not have nodded along, as they and Rishi took the party to disaster.

    The refusal to take responsibility is at the root of our problem.

    It was not someone else’s fault."

    They really don't like each other do they?

    Let's hope they take each other down.
    Blue on blue - stock up on the popcorn!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,200
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,473
    If anyone has the off-topic stomach for a bit of Sir Tony :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZDrxsJkRbQ

    At the Future of Britain Conference 2024, Tony Blair is joined by Co-Founder and CEO of Google DeepMind Demis Hassabis to discuss how AI is catalysing a new era of technology, productivity and growth.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,237
    Good first half performance, but weird penalty. Not even close.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,237

    The Spanish will be asking "Where did this England team come from?"

    If England can win this it will be a good final. Dutch can't play at quite the same level even on a going day.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,000
    edited July 10
    I'm confused by football fans and consensus around the penalty award...

    If you go for any tackle and miss the ball but kick the player, it is a foul.

    It you go for a studs up tackle that misses the ball and kicks the player, it is at least a yellow card.

    If you foul someone in your penalty area, it is a penalty.

    What am I missing?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,273
    Ratters said:

    I'm confused by football fans and consensus around the penalty award...

    If you go for any tackle and miss the ball but kick the player, it is a foul.

    It you go for a studs up tackle that misses the ball and kicks the player, it is at least a yellow card.

    If you foul someone in your penalty area, it is a penalty.

    What am I missing?

    Yes, it’s a bit Curtis Jones v Spurs where someone is going for the ball, considered dangerous but just naturally where a foot goes in the trajectory, and even though it didn’t change where the ball went after but considered a red. Nowadays you can’t risk going in with studs no matter what.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,476

    https://x.com/peterjhasson/status/1811105021146103824

    MSNBC’s Chuck Todd says Biden’s refusal to step aside has made him “rethink a lot of the Biden biography. I still can’t believe he ran for president in the first place, given that his family was in crisis in 2018…You look at what has happened, I can’t believe he has put his family through this. And now, looking at his behavior now, in clinging to this, I think the entire narrative on Joe Biden is gonna change, in that everything’s always been about his ambition and his ambition comes first.”

    Ah the media folks. Build em up, knock em down.

    I don’t know what is going on in the minds of the Biden campaign. And I think it needs to be stressed again - the guy has had a pretty decent presidency.

    I’m not sure it’s ambition. I think it’s this religious-like sense of purpose he seems to have (or his family/advisors feed him). Only he can beat Trump. Only he can hold NATO together and keep China at bay (he pretty much said that in recent days). If he truly believes that then he has failed in his pledge to be a bridge to the next generation of leaders.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 27,493

    How do the English feel about the Dutch? Sense there is no real animosity there?

    I'm an 8th Dutch so no animosity from me.
  • I like a Dutch
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,494

    How do the English feel about the Dutch? Sense there is no real animosity there?

    I'm an 8th Dutch so no animosity from me.
    Wherever you go in Europe, there’ll be a Dutch camper van.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,200
    Picture quality from the football match seems a bit grainy compared to usual.
  • Frisians speak Dutch with a Norfolk accent - sound chaps and chapesses all
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,079
    Andy_JS said:

    More from the Suella / Kemi psychodrama.

    https://x.com/SuellaBraverman/status/1811075448337477749

    "Suella Braverman MP
    @SuellaBraverman

    Kemi, and the rest of the cabinet, should not have nodded along, as they and Rishi took the party to disaster.

    The refusal to take responsibility is at the root of our problem.

    It was not someone else’s fault."

    I'm reminded of that bit from Harry Potter when Dursley Jr says "Daddy's gone mad, hasn't he?"
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,188
    Ratters said:

    I'm confused by football fans and consensus around the penalty award...

    If you go for any tackle and miss the ball but kick the player, it is a foul.

    It you go for a studs up tackle that misses the ball and kicks the player, it is at least a yellow card.

    If you foul someone in your penalty area, it is a penalty.

    What am I missing?

    Kane kicked him, not the other way around. Kane was not intending to foul him, he was trying to shoot, but all the defender was doing was trying to block the shot. It was not a penalty in a million years.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,038

    How do the English feel about the Dutch? Sense there is no real animosity there?

    I'm an 8th Dutch so no animosity from me.
    Max Verstappen has massively prejudiced me against Dutch people.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,378

    How do the English feel about the Dutch? Sense there is no real animosity there?

    Historically good friends and allies of the English.

    Along with Portugal, one of the very few major European countries with no animosity between us or vice-versa.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,574

    I like a Dutch

    I have had some great times out with Cloggers, quite pro Dutch, even though they killed one of my ancestors.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,378

    I like a Dutch

    Passed on the left hand side, given your politics?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,070
    Andy_JS said:

    Picture quality from the football match seems a bit grainy compared to usual.

    Could be the rain?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,003

    How do the English feel about the Dutch? Sense there is no real animosity there?

    Historically good friends and allies of the English.

    Along with Portugal, one of the very few major European countries with no animosity between us or vice-versa.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Dutch_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Anglo-Dutch_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Anglo-Dutch_War

    Plus the late straggler:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Anglo-Dutch_War

    "Some historians count the wars between Britain and the Batavian Republic and the Kingdom of Holland during the Napoleonic era as the Fifth and Sixth Anglo-Dutch wars."
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,188
    My daughter did a year in Groningen and we were over seeing her a couple of times. I really liked the country and the people. There was much to admire in their society, the cities and their general social attitudes. Much to admire.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,378
    edited July 10

    How do the English feel about the Dutch? Sense there is no real animosity there?

    Historically good friends and allies of the English.

    Along with Portugal, one of the very few major European countries with no animosity between us or vice-versa.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Dutch_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Anglo-Dutch_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Anglo-Dutch_War

    Plus the late straggler:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Anglo-Dutch_War

    "Some historians count the wars between Britain and the Batavian Republic and the Kingdom of Holland during the Napoleonic era as the Fifth and Sixth Anglo-Dutch wars."
    None of those conflicts has left any real lasting animosity.

    Not like with eg France or Germany (or from the other way around Scotland and Ireland etc).
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,273

    How do the English feel about the Dutch? Sense there is no real animosity there?

    Historically good friends and allies of the English.

    Along with Portugal, one of the very few major European countries with no animosity between us or vice-versa.
    Apart from the Anglo Dutch wars spot on.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,200
    It feels like the game is in an energy-saving phase on both sides.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,716
    @148grss Thank you for the previous article. You show how your vision of Heaven is my vision of hell, and vice versa.
  • Tim_in_RuislipTim_in_Ruislip Posts: 387
    Andy_JS said:

    It feels like the game is in an energy-saving phase on both sides.

    Forgive me Andy, you may have already posted this - and I missed it, or you might not want to say...

    but I'm interested - How did you vote?
  • Andy_JS said:

    It feels like the game is in an energy-saving phase on both sides.

    Forgive me Andy, you may have already posted this - and I missed it, or you might not want to say...

    but I'm interested - How did you vote?
    For Matthew Goodwin
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,574

    How do the English feel about the Dutch? Sense there is no real animosity there?

    Historically good friends and allies of the English.

    Along with Portugal, one of the very few major European countries with no animosity between us or vice-versa.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Dutch_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Anglo-Dutch_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Anglo-Dutch_War

    Plus the late straggler:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Anglo-Dutch_War

    "Some historians count the wars between Britain and the Batavian Republic and the Kingdom of Holland during the Napoleonic era as the Fifth and Sixth Anglo-Dutch wars."
    None of those conflicts has left any real lasting animosity.

    Not like with eg France or Germany (or from the other way around Scotland and Ireland etc).
    Then there were the Boer Wars...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,200
    edited July 10

    Andy_JS said:

    It feels like the game is in an energy-saving phase on both sides.

    Forgive me Andy, you may have already posted this - and I missed it, or you might not want to say...

    but I'm interested - How did you vote?
    I always end up voting LibDem despite disagreeing with about half of their policies, and this time was no exception. But I still think Goodwin and John Gray have interesting things to say.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,294
    edited July 10
    Kamala now shorter than Joe on Betfair for the Presidency. Something's afoot.

    7.6 v. 9 or 13% v. 11% chance of winning.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,298
    Barnesian said:

    Kamala now shorter than Joe on Betfair for the Presidency. Something's afoot.

    Why would anyone in the UK know what’s happening -it’s wishbetting…
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,150
    Barnesian said:

    Kamala now shorter than Joe on Betfair for the Presidency. Something's afoot.

    I feel he's more likely to simply resign than decide not to run.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,273
    Watching this match does take me back to my first Subbuteo set. One Christmas I got a World Cup final set, west Germany v Argentina - but I wanted the Netherlands for some reason so my brother kindly went and bought me the Orange team. Unfortunately it turned out he’d managed to buy the Dundee United team. So in my room as a kid Dundee Utd beat both Argentina and West Germany on a regular basis.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,574
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    It feels like the game is in an energy-saving phase on both sides.

    Forgive me Andy, you may have already posted this - and I missed it, or you might not want to say...

    but I'm interested - How did you vote?
    I always end up voting LibDem despite disagreeing with about half of their policies, and this time was no exception.
    Yeah, know the feeling.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,378
    Barnesian said:

    Kamala now shorter than Joe on Betfair for the Presidency. Something's afoot.

    Clooney's intervention today was absolutely devastating for Biden.

    Kamala should be odds on for the nomination now.
  • Can England just ATTACK. Goodness me.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,294
    eek said:

    Barnesian said:

    Kamala now shorter than Joe on Betfair for the Presidency. Something's afoot.

    Why would anyone in the UK know what’s happening -it’s wishbetting…
    £25,000,000 has been staked on this market so there will be some research behind it. Wisdom of crowds with skin in the game.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,574

    Can England just ATTACK. Goodness me.

    That's not how modern football works.

    You have to pass it from side to side and back to the keeper so that the defending team can organise.
  • Foxy said:

    Can England just ATTACK. Goodness me.

    That's not how modern football works.

    You have to pass it from side to side and back to the keeper so that the defending team can organise.
    It's not how Gareth's version of football works.

    England are asleep, just watch how much they've gone down since the end of the first half.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,463
    edited July 10
    Foxy said:

    How do the English feel about the Dutch? Sense there is no real animosity there?

    Historically good friends and allies of the English.

    Along with Portugal, one of the very few major European countries with no animosity between us or vice-versa.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Dutch_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Anglo-Dutch_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Anglo-Dutch_War

    Plus the late straggler:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Anglo-Dutch_War

    "Some historians count the wars between Britain and the Batavian Republic and the Kingdom of Holland during the Napoleonic era as the Fifth and Sixth Anglo-Dutch wars."
    None of those conflicts has left any real lasting animosity.

    Not like with eg France or Germany (or from the other way around Scotland and Ireland etc).
    Then there were the Boer Wars...
    Bloody disgrace that the concentration camps were blamed on the Brits when it was them Boer kommandos hiding in their civilian communities that were really responsible for them.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,622
    AsI support Spain in tournaments, I will enjoy all of Scotland getting fashionably late on Sunday or whenever the final is.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,452
    If Biden is on the ticket, this from Stephen Colbert suggests what the campaign will be like:

    https://x.com/alexchristy17/status/1811024855250210964

    “Don't worry about who's at the top of the Democratic ticket. If the French can unite to defeat fascism, Americans can do it, too"
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