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  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990

    Can we just take a moment to congratulate the new MP for Stratford-on-avon for having the best name of any MP?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratford-on-Avon_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

    That's the 3rd LibDem MP I've seen with a PhD. Who else is there in Parliament? Dr Rupa Huq (Lab). Anyone else?
    Somebody tweeted about it, yesterday I think, but I can't find it now

    There are apparently 9 MDs
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    “The 1922 competency levels have reached a new low which is saying something. This was bent!”

    Mark Francois furious he couldn’t vote in election of 1922 chair.

    Like Edward Leigh & Jeremy Hunt he wasn’t allowed to vote. Election ended even though MPs were told voting 5-6pm

    NEW: Bob Blackman is new 1922 committee chairman

    Results:
    Blackman - 61
    Clifton-Brown - 37


    https://x.com/joepike/status/1810720899319865762

    Well, 61 is a majority of Tory MPs. You don't need to continue the voting: Blackman has won at that point.
    My prediction is that they vote to take the leadership final say away from the party member vote.
    And some of those on the right flounce to RefUK as a result.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,421
    edited July 9
    Nigelb said:

    I like Suella. She doesn't seem to have researched her US speech very well. I also think she needs a soundbite, or a simple issue to expound upon to explain in ways the public and the PCP can understand, how shite Sunak and all his works have been, and how the party needs to change direction if MPs fancy keeping their new jobs. I don't think that thing is Woke and LGBT, or Gaza protestors and AS - I think it's probably immigration and boats. It was salient then, and it still has salience now - it's Starmer's achilles heel as it was Sunak's. And Suella has a very good record there, for doing all she could to hold Sunak's feet to the fire on the issue.

    She’s a demagogue who’s otherwise without any real achievement.
    And likely to remain that way.
    It's hypocritical and a bit silly to hold her lack of achievement against her and in another breath support the leaders who thwarted her attempts to sort out immigration in their thwarting. She did everything she possibly could - that cannot be denied.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385
    Best game of the tourney so far
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    2-1 half-time, great match!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,376
    tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1810741304126767208

    Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick
    Interesting that Starmer has appointed several new MPs as ministers straight away: Georgia Gould, Alistair Carns, Kirsty McNeill, Sarah Sackman and Miatta Fahnbulleh. I've never known this before. Normally people have to wait a year or two.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Gould_(politician)

    She is the daughter of Philip Gould, Baron Gould of Brookwood...attended a local comprehensive secondary school, Camden School for Girls. She has spoken of growing up in a "tribal Labour household"; holidays were spent with Alastair Campbell and his wife Fiona Millar, Tessa Jowell, and the family of Tony Blair.

    She's certainly not the daughter of a tool maker.

    Just a tool.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,376
    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    I'm confident Labour will be completely shit.

    But letting criminals out of prison is a lot less serious than letting them serve in cabinet.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,421
    Nigelb said:

    “The 1922 competency levels have reached a new low which is saying something. This was bent!”

    Mark Francois furious he couldn’t vote in election of 1922 chair.

    Like Edward Leigh & Jeremy Hunt he wasn’t allowed to vote. Election ended even though MPs were told voting 5-6pm

    NEW: Bob Blackman is new 1922 committee chairman

    Results:
    Blackman - 61
    Clifton-Brown - 37


    https://x.com/joepike/status/1810720899319865762

    Well, 61 is a majority of Tory MPs. You don't need to continue the voting: Blackman has won at that point.
    My prediction is that they vote to take the leadership final say away from the party member vote.
    And some of those on the right flounce to RefUK as a result.
    Does the party flounce too? Just leave a bunch of deeply shit fake zombie Tories in parliament with no activist base and a CCHQ formed of people who shouldn't be released into the community.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,783
    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    I misread that as 'a crime wave of vapes' and thought "seems harsh".
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,052
    Scott_xP said:

    Can we just take a moment to congratulate the new MP for Stratford-on-avon for having the best name of any MP?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratford-on-Avon_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

    That's the 3rd LibDem MP I've seen with a PhD. Who else is there in Parliament? Dr Rupa Huq (Lab). Anyone else?
    Somebody tweeted about it, yesterday I think, but I can't find it now

    There are apparently 9 MDs
    Thanks, although I presume those are MBBSs (or MBBChirs) rather than MDs.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,643
    tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1810741304126767208

    Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick
    Interesting that Starmer has appointed several new MPs as ministers straight away: Georgia Gould, Alistair Carns, Kirsty McNeill, Sarah Sackman and Miatta Fahnbulleh. I've never known this before. Normally people have to wait a year or two.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Gould_(politician)

    She is the daughter of Philip Gould, Baron Gould of Brookwood...attended a local comprehensive secondary school, Camden School for Girls. She has spoken of growing up in a "tribal Labour household"; holidays were spent with Alastair Campbell and his wife Fiona Millar, Tessa Jowell, and the family of Tony Blair.

    She's certainly not the daughter of a tool maker.

    Fahnbullah however was a child refugee from Liberia and Sierra Leone.

    Seems to have integrated well...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,376
    Scott_xP said:

    Can we just take a moment to congratulate the new MP for Stratford-on-avon for having the best name of any MP?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratford-on-Avon_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

    That's the 3rd LibDem MP I've seen with a PhD. Who else is there in Parliament? Dr Rupa Huq (Lab). Anyone else?
    Somebody tweeted about it, yesterday I think, but I can't find it now

    There are apparently 9 MDs
    One is the new member for Stroud.

    Knew his father-in-law quite well at one time.

    Hope he's more with it than his father-in-law!
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,783

    Nigelb said:

    “The 1922 competency levels have reached a new low which is saying something. This was bent!”

    Mark Francois furious he couldn’t vote in election of 1922 chair.

    Like Edward Leigh & Jeremy Hunt he wasn’t allowed to vote. Election ended even though MPs were told voting 5-6pm

    NEW: Bob Blackman is new 1922 committee chairman

    Results:
    Blackman - 61
    Clifton-Brown - 37


    https://x.com/joepike/status/1810720899319865762

    Well, 61 is a majority of Tory MPs. You don't need to continue the voting: Blackman has won at that point.
    My prediction is that they vote to take the leadership final say away from the party member vote.
    And some of those on the right flounce to RefUK as a result.
    Does the party flounce too? Just leave a bunch of deeply shit fake zombie Tories in parliament with no activist base and a CCHQ formed of people who shouldn't be released into the community.
    That seems to have been their slow plan over the past 14-15 years.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,591

    2-1 half-time, great match!

    Do I cash out on Spain for 3x my stake?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Most interesting news if the day for me was the housing minister interview on R4.
    Seemed to confirm that they intend to legislate to reform the law around compulsory purchase of land for building. No detail, but promising.

    It might be that they actually intend to deliver on housing.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,052
    ohnotnow said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    I misread that as 'a crime wave of vapes' and thought "seems harsh".
    Sunak was serious about his anti-smoking bill.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218
    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    If only Jenrick could find out why there are almost exactly zero spare places in the prison system. I'm sure he would want to have stiff words with the nincompoops responsible.

    (This is going to happen a lot, isn't it?)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990

    Scott_xP said:

    Can we just take a moment to congratulate the new MP for Stratford-on-avon for having the best name of any MP?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratford-on-Avon_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

    That's the 3rd LibDem MP I've seen with a PhD. Who else is there in Parliament? Dr Rupa Huq (Lab). Anyone else?
    Somebody tweeted about it, yesterday I think, but I can't find it now

    There are apparently 9 MDs
    Thanks, although I presume those are MBBSs (or MBBChirs) rather than MDs.
    Found it

    @chrisbrooke
    As we look back on the general election, the question that remains on everyone's mind is, just how well did the #PhDcandidates all do?

    https://x.com/chrisbrooke/status/1809859500012163395
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,783

    Nigelb said:

    I like Suella. She doesn't seem to have researched her US speech very well. I also think she needs a soundbite, or a simple issue to expound upon to explain in ways the public and the PCP can understand, how shite Sunak and all his works have been, and how the party needs to change direction if MPs fancy keeping their new jobs. I don't think that thing is Woke and LGBT, or Gaza protestors and AS - I think it's probably immigration and boats. It was salient then, and it still has salience now - it's Starmer's achilles heel as it was Sunak's. And Suella has a very good record there, for doing all she could to hold Sunak's feet to the fire on the issue.

    She’s a demagogue who’s otherwise without any real achievement.
    And likely to remain that way.
    It's hypocritical and a bit silly to hold her lack of achievement against her and in another breath support the leaders who thwarted her attempts to sort out immigration in their thwarting. She did everything she possibly could - that cannot be denied.
    Does 'everything she possibly could' include things like "dress herself unaided", "tie up her shoes", "not trip up while walking on a flat surface"?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    @chrisbrooke

    So it's time to wrap up this thread: 67 candidates with 68 PhDs between them--and I make it that 27 of them won in their constituencies, which means (I think, but I'm pretty confident) that there are more #MPswithPhDs in the new Parliament than there have ever been before.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    What a plonker. I really do not think this kind of nonsense plays in the UK.
    Farage is unique which makes him particularly dangerous. Jenrick is not even a Poundland Farage, he's like a halfpenny thruppence Farage.

    No wonder Labour were cheering Penny's defeat...if Jenrick is one of their options the god help em...
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    IF you recall (which I very much doubt) it was yours truly who predicted-pontificated here on PB, that newly-elected Labour MPs would be appointed to ministerial-level HMG positions "VERY soon".

    And lo! it came to pass . . . perhaps in more ways than one . . .
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,421
    ohnotnow said:

    Nigelb said:

    I like Suella. She doesn't seem to have researched her US speech very well. I also think she needs a soundbite, or a simple issue to expound upon to explain in ways the public and the PCP can understand, how shite Sunak and all his works have been, and how the party needs to change direction if MPs fancy keeping their new jobs. I don't think that thing is Woke and LGBT, or Gaza protestors and AS - I think it's probably immigration and boats. It was salient then, and it still has salience now - it's Starmer's achilles heel as it was Sunak's. And Suella has a very good record there, for doing all she could to hold Sunak's feet to the fire on the issue.

    She’s a demagogue who’s otherwise without any real achievement.
    And likely to remain that way.
    It's hypocritical and a bit silly to hold her lack of achievement against her and in another breath support the leaders who thwarted her attempts to sort out immigration in their thwarting. She did everything she possibly could - that cannot be denied.
    Does 'everything she possibly could' include things like "dress herself unaided", "tie up her shoes", "not trip up while walking on a flat surface"?
    Yawn. Not funny or clever.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,783

    ohnotnow said:

    Nigelb said:

    I like Suella. She doesn't seem to have researched her US speech very well. I also think she needs a soundbite, or a simple issue to expound upon to explain in ways the public and the PCP can understand, how shite Sunak and all his works have been, and how the party needs to change direction if MPs fancy keeping their new jobs. I don't think that thing is Woke and LGBT, or Gaza protestors and AS - I think it's probably immigration and boats. It was salient then, and it still has salience now - it's Starmer's achilles heel as it was Sunak's. And Suella has a very good record there, for doing all she could to hold Sunak's feet to the fire on the issue.

    She’s a demagogue who’s otherwise without any real achievement.
    And likely to remain that way.
    It's hypocritical and a bit silly to hold her lack of achievement against her and in another breath support the leaders who thwarted her attempts to sort out immigration in their thwarting. She did everything she possibly could - that cannot be denied.
    Does 'everything she possibly could' include things like "dress herself unaided", "tie up her shoes", "not trip up while walking on a flat surface"?
    Yawn. Not funny or clever.
    Harsh. I at least gave her some positives she might lay claim to.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    edited July 9
    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    What does Jenrick intend to do with his sinews !?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,376
    edited July 9
    Scott_xP said:

    @chrisbrooke

    So it's time to wrap up this thread: 67 candidates with 68 PhDs between them--and I make it that 27 of them won in their constituencies, which means (I think, but I'm pretty confident) that there are more #MPswithPhDs in the new Parliament than there have ever been before.

    Since the PhD is a comparatively new degree (1919 in this country) and only became standard for academics in the 1960s - meaning they would have come to political maturity just at the start of the Thatcher era which saw massive distrust of actual experts setting in - that's not that surprising really.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,376

    IF you recall (which I very much doubt) it was yours truly who predicted-pontificated here on PB, that newly-elected Labour MPs would be appointed to ministerial-level HMG positions "VERY soon".

    And lo! it came to pass . . . perhaps in more ways than one . . .

    Viva the voce of @SeaShantyIrish2
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited July 9
    Nikki Haley will not be at next week's GOP convention after Trump refused her an invite, despite her getting 20% of the vote in the Republican primaries and winning 2 contests. She will release her delegates to him anyway. Neither living Republican presidential nominee other than Trump, Senator Romney and former President George W Bush are likely to attend either and Trump's former VP Pence is also expected to boycott the event

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/09/nikki-haley-delegates-convention-trump-00167093#:~:text=However, Haley, the only woman,deserves the convention he wants.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385

    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    If only Jenrick could find out why there are almost exactly zero spare places in the prison system. I'm sure he would want to have stiff words with the nincompoops responsible.

    (This is going to happen a lot, isn't it?)
    Doesn’t have to. He’s in opposition now.

    However the govt should plough ahead and do it. In 2029 this will not matter. Take the short term hit to do what is right.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    If only Jenrick could find out why there are almost exactly zero spare places in the prison system. I'm sure he would want to have stiff words with the nincompoops responsible.

    (This is going to happen a lot, isn't it?)
    Sorta the new-school political stratagem version of old-school planned obsolescence.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,052
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Can we just take a moment to congratulate the new MP for Stratford-on-avon for having the best name of any MP?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratford-on-Avon_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

    That's the 3rd LibDem MP I've seen with a PhD. Who else is there in Parliament? Dr Rupa Huq (Lab). Anyone else?
    Somebody tweeted about it, yesterday I think, but I can't find it now

    There are apparently 9 MDs
    Thanks, although I presume those are MBBSs (or MBBChirs) rather than MDs.
    Found it

    @chrisbrooke
    As we look back on the general election, the question that remains on everyone's mind is, just how well did the #PhDcandidates all do?

    https://x.com/chrisbrooke/status/1809859500012163395
    That is an impressively research thread... and two PhDs on Malawi!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    edited July 9
    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    Hmm. Read that yesterday, and afaics he did not even address any of the possible proposals, but rather repeated a Howard-Hague-deconstructed finger-poky sort of line from 20+years ago.

    I'm tempted to suggest a new Latin verb, starting Twatto, Twat is, Twat tit ..., but that would be disrespectful.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,643
    HYUFD said:

    Nikki Haley will not be at next week's GOP convention after Trump refused her an invite, despite her getting 20% of the vote in the Republican primaries and winning 2 contests. She will release her delegates to him anyway. Neither living Republican presidential nominee other than Trump, Senator Romney and former President George W Bush are likely to attend either and Trump's former VP Pence is also expected to boycott the event

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/09/nikki-haley-delegates-convention-trump-00167093#:~:text=However, Haley, the only woman,deserves the convention he wants.

    He really is a graceless shit isn't he?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,814
    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    This is what happens when you get thrashed. Other people make the decisions and there is nothing you can do about it. Welcome to irrelevance. He’d better get used to it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nikki Haley will not be at next week's GOP convention after Trump refused her an invite, despite her getting 20% of the vote in the Republican primaries and winning 2 contests. She will release her delegates to him anyway. Neither living Republican presidential nominee other than Trump, Senator Romney and former President George W Bush are likely to attend either and Trump's former VP Pence is also expected to boycott the event

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/09/nikki-haley-delegates-convention-trump-00167093#:~:text=However, Haley, the only woman,deserves the convention he wants.

    He really is a graceless shit isn't he?
    You catch on fast.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited July 9
    Nigelb said:

    “The 1922 competency levels have reached a new low which is saying something. This was bent!”

    Mark Francois furious he couldn’t vote in election of 1922 chair.

    Like Edward Leigh & Jeremy Hunt he wasn’t allowed to vote. Election ended even though MPs were told voting 5-6pm

    NEW: Bob Blackman is new 1922 committee chairman

    Results:
    Blackman - 61
    Clifton-Brown - 37


    https://x.com/joepike/status/1810720899319865762

    Well, 61 is a majority of Tory MPs. You don't need to continue the voting: Blackman has won at that point.
    My prediction is that they vote to take the leadership final say away from the party member vote.
    And some of those on the right flounce to RefUK as a result.
    They won't dare. Having removed the rights of Tory members to select the last Tory PM who then led the party to its worst defeat in modern times and with CCHQ having imposed Rishi loyalist shortlists on Associations most of whom also lost if they remove the rights of members to a say on the next Conservative Leader of the Opposition there would probably literally be a riot at the Tory conference in October
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218
    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chrisbrooke

    So it's time to wrap up this thread: 67 candidates with 68 PhDs between them--and I make it that 27 of them won in their constituencies, which means (I think, but I'm pretty confident) that there are more #MPswithPhDs in the new Parliament than there have ever been before.

    Since the PhD is a comparatively new degree (1919 in this country) and only became standard for academics in the 1960s - meaning they would have come to political maturity just at the start of the Thatcher era which saw massive distrust of actual experts setting in - that's not that surprising really.
    A PhD level analysis, if I may say so.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,515
    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    Hmm. Read that yesterday, and afaics he did not even address any of the possible proposals, but rather repeated a Howard-Hague-deconstructed finger-poky sort of line from 20+years ago.

    I'm tempted to suggest a new Latin verb, starting Twatto, Twat is, Twat tit ..., but that would be disrespectful.
    If any Tory MP says Labour are "soft on crime", Labour should propose building a prison in their constituency.
  • Kemi Badenoch is popular because she isn't Rishi Sunak, who was popular because he wasn't Boris Johnson. None of these people have any actual attributes.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,643
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    “The 1922 competency levels have reached a new low which is saying something. This was bent!”

    Mark Francois furious he couldn’t vote in election of 1922 chair.

    Like Edward Leigh & Jeremy Hunt he wasn’t allowed to vote. Election ended even though MPs were told voting 5-6pm

    NEW: Bob Blackman is new 1922 committee chairman

    Results:
    Blackman - 61
    Clifton-Brown - 37


    https://x.com/joepike/status/1810720899319865762

    Well, 61 is a majority of Tory MPs. You don't need to continue the voting: Blackman has won at that point.
    My prediction is that they vote to take the leadership final say away from the party member vote.
    And some of those on the right flounce to RefUK as a result.
    They won't dare, having removed the rights of Tory members to select the last Tory PM if they remove the rights of members to a say on the next Conservative Leader of the Opposition there would probably literally be a riot at the Tory conference in October
    They will be pelted offstage by a barrage of werthers originals.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    edited July 9

    ohnotnow said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    I misread that as 'a crime wave of vapes' and thought "seems harsh".
    Sunak was serious about his anti-smoking bill.
    The most right wing thing he attempted to do.

    Deregulate cigarette sales by transferring more and more of them each year from licenced outlets to unregulated drug dealers cigarette entreprenuers
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nikki Haley will not be at next week's GOP convention after Trump refused her an invite, despite her getting 20% of the vote in the Republican primaries and winning 2 contests. She will release her delegates to him anyway. Neither living Republican presidential nominee other than Trump, Senator Romney and former President George W Bush are likely to attend either and Trump's former VP Pence is also expected to boycott the event

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/09/nikki-haley-delegates-convention-trump-00167093#:~:text=However, Haley, the only woman,deserves the convention he wants.

    He really is a graceless shit isn't he?
    He's graceless, arrogant, and supremely and unnecessarily vulgar and offensive.

    And the GOP and 50% of American love that.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,376
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nikki Haley will not be at next week's GOP convention after Trump refused her an invite, despite her getting 20% of the vote in the Republican primaries and winning 2 contests. She will release her delegates to him anyway. Neither living Republican presidential nominee other than Trump, Senator Romney and former President George W Bush are likely to attend either and Trump's former VP Pence is also expected to boycott the event

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/09/nikki-haley-delegates-convention-trump-00167093#:~:text=However, Haley, the only woman,deserves the convention he wants.

    He really is a graceless shit isn't he?
    That's outrageous.

    How dare you insult graceless shits by comparing them to Trump?

    Really Dr, I expected better of you.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Can we just take a moment to congratulate the new MP for Stratford-on-avon for having the best name of any MP?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratford-on-Avon_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

    That's the 3rd LibDem MP I've seen with a PhD. Who else is there in Parliament? Dr Rupa Huq (Lab). Anyone else?
    Somebody tweeted about it, yesterday I think, but I can't find it now

    There are apparently 9 MDs
    Thanks, although I presume those are MBBSs (or MBBChirs) rather than MDs.
    Found it

    @chrisbrooke
    As we look back on the general election, the question that remains on everyone's mind is, just how well did the #PhDcandidates all do?

    https://x.com/chrisbrooke/status/1809859500012163395
    That is an impressively research thread... and two PhDs on Malawi!
    A bunch of developing countries see it as an advantage to provide good facilities and data for PhD students and other researchers from Western & East Asian universities. Kenya is another.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    The five Reform MPs arriving at Parliament

    https://nitter.poast.org/WidthTomJones/status/1809321877229228094#m

    😎
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,589
    Has the latest gerontocracy update been reported ?

    Rep Maxine Waters (age 85) has publicly backed Biden.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EwbS0B_c4E
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218
    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    This is what happens when you get thrashed. Other people make the decisions and there is nothing you can do about it. Welcome to irrelevance. He’d better get used to it.
    It is irrelevance, and I doubt that many of those have the inner calm to cope with that. But it's worse than that.

    This is not about a Labour whim- this is literally the inevitable numerical consequence of actions taken by the government that left office last Friday. (To the extent that I've seen this suggested as the reason Rishi wanted to depart the scene so suddenly.)

    One of the reasons that I suspect that a) Team Starmer are going to dine out on "cleaning up their mess" for years, and b) the next Conservative PM might have just entered the Commons for the first time, and that's if they are lucky.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,835

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chrisbrooke

    So it's time to wrap up this thread: 67 candidates with 68 PhDs between them--and I make it that 27 of them won in their constituencies, which means (I think, but I'm pretty confident) that there are more #MPswithPhDs in the new Parliament than there have ever been before.

    Since the PhD is a comparatively new degree (1919 in this country) and only became standard for academics in the 1960s - meaning they would have come to political maturity just at the start of the Thatcher era which saw massive distrust of actual experts setting in - that's not that surprising really.
    A PhD level analysis, if I may say so.
    Seems very odd to me. But perhaps that's because I'm from a science background, where PhDs were commoner earlier than that (and indeed some Victorians and Eedwardians went to Germany to get one).
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    “The 1922 competency levels have reached a new low which is saying something. This was bent!”

    Mark Francois furious he couldn’t vote in election of 1922 chair.

    Like Edward Leigh & Jeremy Hunt he wasn’t allowed to vote. Election ended even though MPs were told voting 5-6pm

    NEW: Bob Blackman is new 1922 committee chairman

    Results:
    Blackman - 61
    Clifton-Brown - 37


    https://x.com/joepike/status/1810720899319865762

    Well, 61 is a majority of Tory MPs. You don't need to continue the voting: Blackman has won at that point.
    My prediction is that they vote to take the leadership final say away from the party member vote.
    And some of those on the right flounce to RefUK as a result.
    They won't dare. Having removed the rights of Tory members to select the last Tory PM who then led the party to its worst defeat in modern times and with CCHQ having imposed Rishi loyalist shortlists on Associations most of whom also lost if they remove the rights of members to a say on the next Conservative Leader of the Opposition there would probably literally be a riot at the Tory conference in October
    The sensible thing to do would be to both remove the members votes on party leader and remove the partys powers on who local associations choose as parliamentary candidate.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    edited July 9
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Can we just take a moment to congratulate the new MP for Stratford-on-avon for having the best name of any MP?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratford-on-Avon_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

    That's the 3rd LibDem MP I've seen with a PhD. Who else is there in Parliament? Dr Rupa Huq (Lab). Anyone else?
    Somebody tweeted about it, yesterday I think, but I can't find it now

    There are apparently 9 MDs
    Thanks, although I presume those are MBBSs (or MBBChirs) rather than MDs.
    Found it

    @chrisbrooke
    As we look back on the general election, the question that remains on everyone's mind is, just how well did the #PhDcandidates all do?

    https://x.com/chrisbrooke/status/1809859500012163395
    That's interesting - that tells me that Jesse Norman has been re-elected as an MP.

    Potential leader? :smile:
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,643
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nikki Haley will not be at next week's GOP convention after Trump refused her an invite, despite her getting 20% of the vote in the Republican primaries and winning 2 contests. She will release her delegates to him anyway. Neither living Republican presidential nominee other than Trump, Senator Romney and former President George W Bush are likely to attend either and Trump's former VP Pence is also expected to boycott the event

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/09/nikki-haley-delegates-convention-trump-00167093#:~:text=However, Haley, the only woman,deserves the convention he wants.

    He really is a graceless shit isn't he?
    He's graceless, arrogant, and supremely and unnecessarily vulgar and offensive.

    And the GOP and 50% of American love that.
    Without humour, intellect or morals too.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,748

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    Hmm. Read that yesterday, and afaics he did not even address any of the possible proposals, but rather repeated a Howard-Hague-deconstructed finger-poky sort of line from 20+years ago.

    I'm tempted to suggest a new Latin verb, starting Twatto, Twat is, Twat tit ..., but that would be disrespectful.
    If any Tory MP says Labour are "soft on crime", Labour should propose building a prison in their constituency.
    Or perhaps converting Jenrick's country mansion into one.
    image
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,835

    Nigelb said:

    “The 1922 competency levels have reached a new low which is saying something. This was bent!”

    Mark Francois furious he couldn’t vote in election of 1922 chair.

    Like Edward Leigh & Jeremy Hunt he wasn’t allowed to vote. Election ended even though MPs were told voting 5-6pm

    NEW: Bob Blackman is new 1922 committee chairman

    Results:
    Blackman - 61
    Clifton-Brown - 37


    https://x.com/joepike/status/1810720899319865762

    Well, 61 is a majority of Tory MPs. You don't need to continue the voting: Blackman has won at that point.
    My prediction is that they vote to take the leadership final say away from the party member vote.
    And some of those on the right flounce to RefUK as a result.
    Does the party flounce too? Just leave a bunch of deeply shit fake zombie Tories in parliament with no activist base and a CCHQ formed of people who shouldn't be released into the community.
    I thought you would favour care in the community? Archetypal Tory policy when Tories were Tories, as I recall.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    France score!

    Bloody hell Sunil! Just flicked onto PB to find your post and realise BBC iPlayer is a couple of minutes behind!
    All the streaming services have an utterly
    shitty lag. It is their fatal flaw.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075

    Has the latest gerontocracy update been reported ?

    Rep Maxine Waters (age 85) has publicly backed Biden.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EwbS0B_c4E

    "Mrs Robinson, are you trying to endorse me?"
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,643

    Has the latest gerontocracy update been reported ?

    Rep Maxine Waters (age 85) has publicly backed Biden.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EwbS0B_c4E

    Kids will be kids!
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Here's a potential betting question: now that Nicky Haley has released her delegates to 2024 Republican National Convention "to" (whatever that means) Trump, what percent of NH delegartes will end up voting for DJT?

    Note that according to wiki, pledged delegates for Haley = 97

    This includes all 19 GOP delegates from the District of Columbia, and 9 (out of 17) from Vermont.

    Gonna be some who will vote for Haley. And others won't vote at all, with some of those replaced by Trump alternates.

    But how many? NOT that it matters, of course. Or does it? And why? . . . let alone who, what & how!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,835

    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    This is what happens when you get thrashed. Other people make the decisions and there is nothing you can do about it. Welcome to irrelevance. He’d better get used to it.
    It is irrelevance, and I doubt that many of those have the inner calm to cope with that. But it's worse than that.

    This is not about a Labour whim- this is literally the inevitable numerical consequence of actions taken by the government that left office last Friday. (To the extent that I've seen this suggested as the reason Rishi wanted to depart the scene so suddenly.)

    One of the reasons that I suspect that a) Team Starmer are going to dine out on "cleaning up their mess" for years, and b) the next Conservative PM might have just entered the Commons for the first time, and that's if they are lucky.
    I was reading a month-old PE this evening (Mrs C had been a bit slow reading it). Almost unreadable now, it's like a different aeon, almost as much as my local kirk parish session minutes for the 1680s recording what couples had to stand/sit at the place of repentance on Sunday.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,728

    Kemi Badenoch is popular because she isn't Rishi Sunak, who was popular because he wasn't Boris Johnson. None of these people have any actual attributes.

    It's more that they're popular with people who work or worked at The Spectator.

    Johnson was their star. The embodiment of consequence-free columnist conservatism.

    Sunak was the best mate of their longtime political editor who people couldn't stop telling us was incredibly bright.

    Badenoch worked there and embodies its current strong focus on 'wokeness' as the topic that hits home with its readers, while taking a slightly more intellectual analysis of it than you'd find within the ranks of Reform or Braverman.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    “The 1922 competency levels have reached a new low which is saying something. This was bent!”

    Mark Francois furious he couldn’t vote in election of 1922 chair.

    Like Edward Leigh & Jeremy Hunt he wasn’t allowed to vote. Election ended even though MPs were told voting 5-6pm

    NEW: Bob Blackman is new 1922 committee chairman

    Results:
    Blackman - 61
    Clifton-Brown - 37


    https://x.com/joepike/status/1810720899319865762

    Well, 61 is a majority of Tory MPs. You don't need to continue the voting: Blackman has won at that point.
    My prediction is that they vote to take the leadership final say away from the party member vote.
    And some of those on the right flounce to RefUK as a result.
    They won't dare. Having removed the rights of Tory members to select the last Tory PM who then led the party to its worst defeat in modern times and with CCHQ having imposed Rishi loyalist shortlists on Associations most of whom also lost if they remove the rights of members to a say on the next Conservative Leader of the Opposition there would probably literally be a riot at the Tory conference in October
    We’ll see.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,376
    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    This is what happens when you get thrashed. Other people make the decisions and there is nothing you can do about it. Welcome to irrelevance. He’d better get used to it.
    It is irrelevance, and I doubt that many of those have the inner calm to cope with that. But it's worse than that.

    This is not about a Labour whim- this is literally the inevitable numerical consequence of actions taken by the government that left office last Friday. (To the extent that I've seen this suggested as the reason Rishi wanted to depart the scene so suddenly.)

    One of the reasons that I suspect that a) Team Starmer are going to dine out on "cleaning up their mess" for years, and b) the next Conservative PM might have just entered the Commons for the first time, and that's if they are lucky.
    I was reading a month-old PE this evening (Mrs C had been a bit slow reading it). Almost unreadable now, it's like a different aeon, almost as much as my local kirk parish session minutes for the 1680s recording what couples had to stand/sit at the place of repentance on Sunday.
    Ok, I'm intrigued.

    Why have you been reading your kirk parish session minutes for the 1680s?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,376
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    “The 1922 competency levels have reached a new low which is saying something. This was bent!”

    Mark Francois furious he couldn’t vote in election of 1922 chair.

    Like Edward Leigh & Jeremy Hunt he wasn’t allowed to vote. Election ended even though MPs were told voting 5-6pm

    NEW: Bob Blackman is new 1922 committee chairman

    Results:
    Blackman - 61
    Clifton-Brown - 37


    https://x.com/joepike/status/1810720899319865762

    Well, 61 is a majority of Tory MPs. You don't need to continue the voting: Blackman has won at that point.
    My prediction is that they vote to take the leadership final say away from the party member vote.
    And some of those on the right flounce to RefUK as a result.
    They won't dare. Having removed the rights of Tory members to select the last Tory PM who then led the party to its worst defeat in modern times and with CCHQ having imposed Rishi loyalist shortlists on Associations most of whom also lost if they remove the rights of members to a say on the next Conservative Leader of the Opposition there would probably literally be a riot at the Tory conference in October
    We’ll see.
    We certainly would see.

    And watch with interest.

    The Sun had a good headline from Labour's conference in 1980: 'The Party's Over!' Could it be recycled?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,835
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    This is what happens when you get thrashed. Other people make the decisions and there is nothing you can do about it. Welcome to irrelevance. He’d better get used to it.
    It is irrelevance, and I doubt that many of those have the inner calm to cope with that. But it's worse than that.

    This is not about a Labour whim- this is literally the inevitable numerical consequence of actions taken by the government that left office last Friday. (To the extent that I've seen this suggested as the reason Rishi wanted to depart the scene so suddenly.)

    One of the reasons that I suspect that a) Team Starmer are going to dine out on "cleaning up their mess" for years, and b) the next Conservative PM might have just entered the Commons for the first time, and that's if they are lucky.
    I was reading a month-old PE this evening (Mrs C had been a bit slow reading it). Almost unreadable now, it's like a different aeon, almost as much as my local kirk parish session minutes for the 1680s recording what couples had to stand/sit at the place of repentance on Sunday.
    Ok, I'm intrigued.

    Why have you been reading your kirk parish session minutes for the 1680s?
    Like dogs, licking, and nether bits. Because I can for free, thanks to the National Records of Scotland ( actually they've posted a lot of old maps online, so I was checking through them, and noticed the kirk session records).
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    Chris said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    Hmm. Read that yesterday, and afaics he did not even address any of the possible proposals, but rather repeated a Howard-Hague-deconstructed finger-poky sort of line from 20+years ago.

    I'm tempted to suggest a new Latin verb, starting Twatto, Twat is, Twat tit ..., but that would be disrespectful.
    If any Tory MP says Labour are "soft on crime", Labour should propose building a prison in their constituency.
    Or perhaps converting Jenrick's country mansion into one.
    image
    I wonder what the Council Tax on that will be by the time the Chancellor has finished?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,376
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    This is what happens when you get thrashed. Other people make the decisions and there is nothing you can do about it. Welcome to irrelevance. He’d better get used to it.
    It is irrelevance, and I doubt that many of those have the inner calm to cope with that. But it's worse than that.

    This is not about a Labour whim- this is literally the inevitable numerical consequence of actions taken by the government that left office last Friday. (To the extent that I've seen this suggested as the reason Rishi wanted to depart the scene so suddenly.)

    One of the reasons that I suspect that a) Team Starmer are going to dine out on "cleaning up their mess" for years, and b) the next Conservative PM might have just entered the Commons for the first time, and that's if they are lucky.
    I was reading a month-old PE this evening (Mrs C had been a bit slow reading it). Almost unreadable now, it's like a different aeon, almost as much as my local kirk parish session minutes for the 1680s recording what couples had to stand/sit at the place of repentance on Sunday.
    Ok, I'm intrigued.

    Why have you been reading your kirk parish session minutes for the 1680s?
    Like dogs, licking, and nether bits. Because I can for free, thanks to the National Records of Scotland ( actually they've posted a lot of old maps online, so I was checking through them, and noticed the kirk session records).
    Fair enough.

    I was wondering if you had aspired to see what @JACK_W was doing that week.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,814
    France is going for it big time. Brave given the speed and threat of Spain going forward. Can’t see Southgate rolling the dice like that.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839

    Kemi Badenoch is popular because she isn't Rishi Sunak, who was popular because he wasn't Boris Johnson. None of these people have any actual attributes.

    If looking for a potentially competent new leader, one could do worse than start by looking at all the surviving ex-ministers and identifying any that did a good job.

    The question is, do any such paragons exist on the Tory benches?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,835
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    This is what happens when you get thrashed. Other people make the decisions and there is nothing you can do about it. Welcome to irrelevance. He’d better get used to it.
    It is irrelevance, and I doubt that many of those have the inner calm to cope with that. But it's worse than that.

    This is not about a Labour whim- this is literally the inevitable numerical consequence of actions taken by the government that left office last Friday. (To the extent that I've seen this suggested as the reason Rishi wanted to depart the scene so suddenly.)

    One of the reasons that I suspect that a) Team Starmer are going to dine out on "cleaning up their mess" for years, and b) the next Conservative PM might have just entered the Commons for the first time, and that's if they are lucky.
    I was reading a month-old PE this evening (Mrs C had been a bit slow reading it). Almost unreadable now, it's like a different aeon, almost as much as my local kirk parish session minutes for the 1680s recording what couples had to stand/sit at the place of repentance on Sunday.
    Ok, I'm intrigued.

    Why have you been reading your kirk parish session minutes for the 1680s?
    Like dogs, licking, and nether bits. Because I can for free, thanks to the National Records of Scotland ( actually they've posted a lot of old maps online, so I was checking through them, and noticed the kirk session records).
    Fair enough.

    I was wondering if you had aspired to see what @JACK_W was doing that week.
    Haven't got that far - the hand is just sufficiently tricky for me with enough archaic spellings for me not to be able to zip through it.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,814
    pigeon said:

    Kemi Badenoch is popular because she isn't Rishi Sunak, who was popular because he wasn't Boris Johnson. None of these people have any actual attributes.

    If looking for a potentially competent new leader, one could do worse than start by looking at all the surviving ex-ministers and identifying any that did a good job.

    The question is, do any such paragons exist on the Tory benches?
    Ministers who did a good job. I think I see the flaw in your reasoning.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,589

    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    This is what happens when you get thrashed. Other people make the decisions and there is nothing you can do about it. Welcome to irrelevance. He’d better get used to it.
    It is irrelevance, and I doubt that many of those have the inner calm to cope with that. But it's worse than that.

    This is not about a Labour whim- this is literally the inevitable numerical consequence of actions taken by the government that left office last Friday. (To the extent that I've seen this suggested as the reason Rishi wanted to depart the scene so suddenly.)

    One of the reasons that I suspect that a) Team Starmer are going to dine out on "cleaning up their mess" for years, and b) the next Conservative PM might have just entered the Commons for the first time, and that's if they are lucky.
    Its possible that the next Conservative PM might have entered the HoC for the first time in 2019, lost this year and will return in 2029.

    Having spent the intervening five years doing something more constructive than publicly ranting.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    MJW said:

    Kemi Badenoch is popular because she isn't Rishi Sunak, who was popular because he wasn't Boris Johnson. None of these people have any actual attributes.

    It's more that they're popular with people who work or worked at The Spectator.

    Johnson was their star. The embodiment of consequence-free columnist conservatism.

    Sunak was the best mate of their longtime political editor who people couldn't stop telling us was incredibly bright.

    Badenoch worked there and embodies its current strong focus on 'wokeness' as the topic that hits home with its readers, while taking a slightly more intellectual analysis of it than you'd find within the ranks of Reform or Braverman.
    Reckon "slightly" in final sentence is doing heavy lifting.

    "Hoc facere grave sublatione" as Boris Johnson might say. Or maybe not.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218

    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    This is what happens when you get thrashed. Other people make the decisions and there is nothing you can do about it. Welcome to irrelevance. He’d better get used to it.
    It is irrelevance, and I doubt that many of those have the inner calm to cope with that. But it's worse than that.

    This is not about a Labour whim- this is literally the inevitable numerical consequence of actions taken by the government that left office last Friday. (To the extent that I've seen this suggested as the reason Rishi wanted to depart the scene so suddenly.)

    One of the reasons that I suspect that a) Team Starmer are going to dine out on "cleaning up their mess" for years, and b) the next Conservative PM might have just entered the Commons for the first time, and that's if they are lucky.
    Its possible that the next Conservative PM might have entered the HoC for the first time in 2019, lost this year and will return in 2029.

    Having spent the intervening five years doing something more constructive than publicly ranting.
    The other possibility (be still my beating centrist dad heart) is someone who left in 2019 and returns in 2028...

    The key thing is to be able to say, with a straight face, "All that mess under Boris, Liz and Rishi? DIsgraceful, and nothing to do with me."
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Pungent PB Pundit Alert - it's Nikki Haley.

    That is all.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,376
    MattW said:

    Chris said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    Hmm. Read that yesterday, and afaics he did not even address any of the possible proposals, but rather repeated a Howard-Hague-deconstructed finger-poky sort of line from 20+years ago.

    I'm tempted to suggest a new Latin verb, starting Twatto, Twat is, Twat tit ..., but that would be disrespectful.
    If any Tory MP says Labour are "soft on crime", Labour should propose building a prison in their constituency.
    Or perhaps converting Jenrick's country mansion into one.
    image
    I wonder what the Council Tax on that will be by the time the Chancellor has finished?
    He could do a Trump and redesignate it as a country club.

    Get his mates round for wild sex parties or something to make it look legit.
  • Tim_in_RuislipTim_in_Ruislip Posts: 435
    edited July 9
    MJW said:

    Kemi Badenoch is popular because she isn't Rishi Sunak, who was popular because he wasn't Boris Johnson. None of these people have any actual attributes.

    It's more that they're popular with people who work or worked at The Spectator.

    Johnson was their star. The embodiment of consequence-free columnist conservatism.

    Sunak was the best mate of their longtime political editor who people couldn't stop telling us was incredibly bright.

    Badenoch worked there and embodies its current strong focus on 'wokeness' as the topic that hits home with its readers, while taking a slightly more intellectual analysis of it than you'd find within the ranks of Reform or Braverman.
    Talking of which, who is Starmer going to allow to buy the Telegraph/Spectator?

    Last I heard, Fraser Nelson et al were still for sale.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    I’m beginning to worry about Trump’s memory problems.

    Republicans call Trump’s move to distance himself from Project 2025 ‘preposterous’
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/08/trump-project-2025
    … Olivia Troye, a former White House adviser to Mike Pence who sat in on policy sessions during Trump’s first presidency, said Trump’s attempt to distance himself from Project 2025 was driven by a recognition that its deeply controversial policy prescriptions could sink his election bid.

    “This is preposterous if you look at the collaborators and the authors of this plan,” she told CNN when asked whether Trump’s denial was credible. “A lot of these people…served in Trump’s cabinet during his administration. There are people that I worked with. I sat in those policy meetings with them.”

    Troye identified various figures – including John McEntee, who was Trump’s director of White House personnel, Stephen Miller, a senior adviser in his first administration, Ben Carson, the housing and urban development secretary in his cabinet, and Ken Cuccinelli, a former deputy secretary of homeland security – as among the project’s leading architects…

    “Exactly how do you ‘disagree’ with something you ‘know nothing about’ or ‘have no idea’ who is behind, saying or doing the thing you disagree with?” said former RNC chair and current MSNBC host Michael Steele in echoing Troye’s derision.

    “And how exactly don’t you know that Project 2025 director Paul Dans served as your chief of staff at the Office of Personnel Management, and associate director Spencer Chretien served as your special assistant and associate director of presidential personnel?”..
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,643
    DavidL said:

    France is going for it big time. Brave given the speed and threat of Spain going forward. Can’t see Southgate rolling the dice like that.

    Spain playing too deep for my liking.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,250
    edited July 9

    On topic - there are three possible explanations for these comments -

    1) Despite the lamentations of some on here Braverman is indeed as thick as the proverbial.

    2) Braverman thinks this is how to make money on the US speaking circuit.

    3) Both of the above.

    4) "... Suella Braverman, former home secretary, appears to be having a 'very public' nervous breakdown" - Badenoch

    1-4) why not all of the above?
  • DeclanFDeclanF Posts: 42
    From @Phil (I think) on the previous thread re the Letby case -

    "The Guardian claims to have spoken to eight clinicians, seven of them specialising in neonatology who described Evans claims that an air embolism could be introduced in the way claimed during the trials as (I quote the article) nonsensical, “rubbish”, “ridiculous”, “implausible” and “fantastical” in half the cases & the other half relied on a research paper that the /authors/ of that paper said was completely inapplicable.

    I am not an expert, but this seems ... concerning to me."

    If so, it is odd, isn't it, as @Algakirk has repeatedly pointed out, that none of these clinicians was willing to give evidence for the defence during the trial - assuming any of them were asked.

    Why not?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    ydoethur said:

    Can we just take a moment to congratulate the new MP for Stratford-on-avon for having the best name of any MP?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratford-on-Avon_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

    That's the 3rd LibDem MP I've seen with a PhD. Who else is there in Parliament? Dr Rupa Huq (Lab). Anyone else?
    Simon Case has a PhD (although he isn't an MP).

    Which merely goes to prove that there are some exceptions to the rule that people with PhDs are utterly brilliant in every way.
    Well there’s me for a start. Complete thicko.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,814
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    France is going for it big time. Brave given the speed and threat of Spain going forward. Can’t see Southgate rolling the dice like that.

    Spain playing too deep for my liking.
    It’s not got the excitement of the first half but the quality of skill remains exceptional.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,250
    Nigelb said:

    Most interesting news if the day for me was the housing minister interview on R4.
    Seemed to confirm that they intend to legislate to reform the law around compulsory purchase of land for building. No detail, but promising.

    It might be that they actually intend to deliver on housing.

    The problem isn't compulsory purchase - it is actually getting things done with the land.

    There was an example, mentioned in a previous thread of a requirement to do a study, generating a multi-thousand page report, before allowing a housing association to build social housing. A study on equality.....

    There are dozens of these requirements - any attempt to trim them back will be met by fierce resistance from The Enquiry Industrial Complex.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,376

    MJW said:

    Kemi Badenoch is popular because she isn't Rishi Sunak, who was popular because he wasn't Boris Johnson. None of these people have any actual attributes.

    It's more that they're popular with people who work or worked at The Spectator.

    Johnson was their star. The embodiment of consequence-free columnist conservatism.

    Sunak was the best mate of their longtime political editor who people couldn't stop telling us was incredibly bright.

    Badenoch worked there and embodies its current strong focus on 'wokeness' as the topic that hits home with its readers, while taking a slightly more intellectual analysis of it than you'd find within the ranks of Reform or Braverman.
    Talking of which, who is Starmer going to allow to buy the Telegraph/Spectator?

    Last I heard, Fraser Nelson et al were still for sale.
    No change there then?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,376

    ydoethur said:

    Can we just take a moment to congratulate the new MP for Stratford-on-avon for having the best name of any MP?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratford-on-Avon_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

    That's the 3rd LibDem MP I've seen with a PhD. Who else is there in Parliament? Dr Rupa Huq (Lab). Anyone else?
    Simon Case has a PhD (although he isn't an MP).

    Which merely goes to prove that there are some exceptions to the rule that people with PhDs are utterly brilliant in every way.
    Well there’s me for a start. Complete thicko.
    Really Dr Tubbs. As if.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839

    MJW said:

    Kemi Badenoch is popular because she isn't Rishi Sunak, who was popular because he wasn't Boris Johnson. None of these people have any actual attributes.

    It's more that they're popular with people who work or worked at The Spectator.

    Johnson was their star. The embodiment of consequence-free columnist conservatism.

    Sunak was the best mate of their longtime political editor who people couldn't stop telling us was incredibly bright.

    Badenoch worked there and embodies its current strong focus on 'wokeness' as the topic that hits home with its readers, while taking a slightly more intellectual analysis of it than you'd find within the ranks of Reform or Braverman.
    Talking of which, who is Starmer going to allow to buy the Telegraph/Spectator?

    Last I heard, Fraser Nelson et al were still for sale.
    Who currently publishes the Sunday Sport?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,643
    Nigelb said:

    I’m beginning to worry about Trump’s memory problems.

    Republicans call Trump’s move to distance himself from Project 2025 ‘preposterous’
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/08/trump-project-2025
    … Olivia Troye, a former White House adviser to Mike Pence who sat in on policy sessions during Trump’s first presidency, said Trump’s attempt to distance himself from Project 2025 was driven by a recognition that its deeply controversial policy prescriptions could sink his election bid.

    “This is preposterous if you look at the collaborators and the authors of this plan,” she told CNN when asked whether Trump’s denial was credible. “A lot of these people…served in Trump’s cabinet during his administration. There are people that I worked with. I sat in those policy meetings with them.”

    Troye identified various figures – including John McEntee, who was Trump’s director of White House personnel, Stephen Miller, a senior adviser in his first administration, Ben Carson, the housing and urban development secretary in his cabinet, and Ken Cuccinelli, a former deputy secretary of homeland security – as among the project’s leading architects…

    “Exactly how do you ‘disagree’ with something you ‘know nothing about’ or ‘have no idea’ who is behind, saying or doing the thing you disagree with?” said former RNC chair and current MSNBC host Michael Steele in echoing Troye’s derision.

    “And how exactly don’t you know that Project 2025 director Paul Dans served as your chief of staff at the Office of Personnel Management, and associate director Spencer Chretien served as your special assistant and associate director of presidential personnel?”..

    Trump has long and ignoble record of shafting his henchmen when they are no longer useful.

    Loyalty means nothing to him.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,250
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Jenrick article.

    "Resist Labour’s surrender to criminals with every sinew
    Letting out thousands of prisoners just 40 per cent through their sentence risks triggering a crime wave of rapes, assaults and robberies
    ROBERT JENRICK."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/08/resist-labours-surrender-to-criminals-with-every-sinew/

    This is what happens when you get thrashed. Other people make the decisions and there is nothing you can do about it. Welcome to irrelevance. He’d better get used to it.
    It is irrelevance, and I doubt that many of those have the inner calm to cope with that. But it's worse than that.

    This is not about a Labour whim- this is literally the inevitable numerical consequence of actions taken by the government that left office last Friday. (To the extent that I've seen this suggested as the reason Rishi wanted to depart the scene so suddenly.)

    One of the reasons that I suspect that a) Team Starmer are going to dine out on "cleaning up their mess" for years, and b) the next Conservative PM might have just entered the Commons for the first time, and that's if they are lucky.
    I was reading a month-old PE this evening (Mrs C had been a bit slow reading it). Almost unreadable now, it's like a different aeon, almost as much as my local kirk parish session minutes for the 1680s recording what couples had to stand/sit at the place of repentance on Sunday.
    Ok, I'm intrigued.

    Why have you been reading your kirk parish session minutes for the 1680s?
    Like dogs, licking, and nether bits. Because I can for free, thanks to the National Records of Scotland ( actually they've posted a lot of old maps online, so I was checking through them, and noticed the kirk session records).
    Fair enough.

    I was wondering if you had aspired to see what @JACK_W was doing that week.
    Way after his time, Shirley?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,376
    edited July 9
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    I’m beginning to worry about Trump’s memory problems.

    Republicans call Trump’s move to distance himself from Project 2025 ‘preposterous’
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/08/trump-project-2025
    … Olivia Troye, a former White House adviser to Mike Pence who sat in on policy sessions during Trump’s first presidency, said Trump’s attempt to distance himself from Project 2025 was driven by a recognition that its deeply controversial policy prescriptions could sink his election bid.

    “This is preposterous if you look at the collaborators and the authors of this plan,” she told CNN when asked whether Trump’s denial was credible. “A lot of these people…served in Trump’s cabinet during his administration. There are people that I worked with. I sat in those policy meetings with them.”

    Troye identified various figures – including John McEntee, who was Trump’s director of White House personnel, Stephen Miller, a senior adviser in his first administration, Ben Carson, the housing and urban development secretary in his cabinet, and Ken Cuccinelli, a former deputy secretary of homeland security – as among the project’s leading architects…

    “Exactly how do you ‘disagree’ with something you ‘know nothing about’ or ‘have no idea’ who is behind, saying or doing the thing you disagree with?” said former RNC chair and current MSNBC host Michael Steele in echoing Troye’s derision.

    “And how exactly don’t you know that Project 2025 director Paul Dans served as your chief of staff at the Office of Personnel Management, and associate director Spencer Chretien served as your special assistant and associate director of presidential personnel?”..

    Trump has long and ignoble record of shafting his henchmen when they are no longer useful.

    Loyalty means nothing to him.
    And it has to be noted, he's always had memory problems.

    First he forgot about shagging that porn star. Then he overlooked that he'd paid her off for something.

    Oh, and he forgot what he used his main house for.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,052
    DeclanF said:

    From @Phil (I think) on the previous thread re the Letby case -

    "The Guardian claims to have spoken to eight clinicians, seven of them specialising in neonatology who described Evans claims that an air embolism could be introduced in the way claimed during the trials as (I quote the article) nonsensical, “rubbish”, “ridiculous”, “implausible” and “fantastical” in half the cases & the other half relied on a research paper that the /authors/ of that paper said was completely inapplicable.

    I am not an expert, but this seems ... concerning to me."

    If so, it is odd, isn't it, as @Algakirk has repeatedly pointed out, that none of these clinicians was willing to give evidence for the defence during the trial - assuming any of them were asked.

    Why not?

    Indeed. And the Letby truthers keep going on about the air embolism deaths, but two (IIRC) babies were killed by insulin and the defence conceded that. They conceded that foul play had taken place, but just argued it must have been some unidentified other person.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,052
    pigeon said:

    MJW said:

    Kemi Badenoch is popular because she isn't Rishi Sunak, who was popular because he wasn't Boris Johnson. None of these people have any actual attributes.

    It's more that they're popular with people who work or worked at The Spectator.

    Johnson was their star. The embodiment of consequence-free columnist conservatism.

    Sunak was the best mate of their longtime political editor who people couldn't stop telling us was incredibly bright.

    Badenoch worked there and embodies its current strong focus on 'wokeness' as the topic that hits home with its readers, while taking a slightly more intellectual analysis of it than you'd find within the ranks of Reform or Braverman.
    Talking of which, who is Starmer going to allow to buy the Telegraph/Spectator?

    Last I heard, Fraser Nelson et al were still for sale.
    Who currently publishes the Sunday Sport?
    They've got their reputation to think of, the publishers of the Sunday Sport.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,376

    DeclanF said:

    From @Phil (I think) on the previous thread re the Letby case -

    "The Guardian claims to have spoken to eight clinicians, seven of them specialising in neonatology who described Evans claims that an air embolism could be introduced in the way claimed during the trials as (I quote the article) nonsensical, “rubbish”, “ridiculous”, “implausible” and “fantastical” in half the cases & the other half relied on a research paper that the /authors/ of that paper said was completely inapplicable.

    I am not an expert, but this seems ... concerning to me."

    If so, it is odd, isn't it, as @Algakirk has repeatedly pointed out, that none of these clinicians was willing to give evidence for the defence during the trial - assuming any of them were asked.

    Why not?

    Indeed. And the Letby truthers keep going on about the air embolism deaths, but two (IIRC) babies were killed by insulin and the defence conceded that. They conceded that foul play had taken place, but just argued it must have been some unidentified other person.
    To quote Dorothy L. Sayers:

    If you go on killing everyone you meet until people think you're second cousin to a upas tree, of course you'll be found out in the end.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    Nigelb said:

    Most interesting news if the day for me was the housing minister interview on R4.
    Seemed to confirm that they intend to legislate to reform the law around compulsory purchase of land for building. No detail, but promising.

    It might be that they actually intend to deliver on housing.

    The problem isn't compulsory purchase - it is actually getting things done with the land.

    There was an example, mentioned in a previous thread of a requirement to do a study, generating a multi-thousand page report, before allowing a housing association to build social housing. A study on equality.....

    There are dozens of these requirements - any attempt to trim them back will be met by fierce resistance from The Enquiry Industrial Complex.
    Land input cost is definitely a problem.
    Addressing that is absolutely necessary if a major increase in LA house building is to be financed - though agreed, it’s not enough on its own.

    But they do give some indication of actually having thought through some of the practicalities.

    Anyway, it’s more interesting than which second rater* becomes the next Tory leader.

    (*I’m a generous person.)
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839

    pigeon said:

    MJW said:

    Kemi Badenoch is popular because she isn't Rishi Sunak, who was popular because he wasn't Boris Johnson. None of these people have any actual attributes.

    It's more that they're popular with people who work or worked at The Spectator.

    Johnson was their star. The embodiment of consequence-free columnist conservatism.

    Sunak was the best mate of their longtime political editor who people couldn't stop telling us was incredibly bright.

    Badenoch worked there and embodies its current strong focus on 'wokeness' as the topic that hits home with its readers, while taking a slightly more intellectual analysis of it than you'd find within the ranks of Reform or Braverman.
    Talking of which, who is Starmer going to allow to buy the Telegraph/Spectator?

    Last I heard, Fraser Nelson et al were still for sale.
    Who currently publishes the Sunday Sport?
    They've got their reputation to think of, the publishers of the Sunday Sport.
    I was only thinking that these publications are already celebrated for promoting and publishing tits.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    France score!

    Bloody hell Sunil! Just flicked onto PB to find your post and realise BBC iPlayer is a couple of minutes behind!
    All the streaming services have an utterly
    shitty lag. It is their fatal flaw.
    Flaw or opportunity? I can listen to the cricket tomorrow, hear a wicket, pop the kettle on, and some bread in the toaster, brew the tea, butter the toast wander into the lounge, sit down, and in a few more minutes I might see said wicket ‘live’…
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,376
    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    MJW said:

    Kemi Badenoch is popular because she isn't Rishi Sunak, who was popular because he wasn't Boris Johnson. None of these people have any actual attributes.

    It's more that they're popular with people who work or worked at The Spectator.

    Johnson was their star. The embodiment of consequence-free columnist conservatism.

    Sunak was the best mate of their longtime political editor who people couldn't stop telling us was incredibly bright.

    Badenoch worked there and embodies its current strong focus on 'wokeness' as the topic that hits home with its readers, while taking a slightly more intellectual analysis of it than you'd find within the ranks of Reform or Braverman.
    Talking of which, who is Starmer going to allow to buy the Telegraph/Spectator?

    Last I heard, Fraser Nelson et al were still for sale.
    Who currently publishes the Sunday Sport?
    They've got their reputation to think of, the publishers of the Sunday Sport.
    I was only thinking that these publications are already celebrated for promoting and publishing tits.
    But they only publish the naked truth.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,250
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Most interesting news if the day for me was the housing minister interview on R4.
    Seemed to confirm that they intend to legislate to reform the law around compulsory purchase of land for building. No detail, but promising.

    It might be that they actually intend to deliver on housing.

    The problem isn't compulsory purchase - it is actually getting things done with the land.

    There was an example, mentioned in a previous thread of a requirement to do a study, generating a multi-thousand page report, before allowing a housing association to build social housing. A study on equality.....

    There are dozens of these requirements - any attempt to trim them back will be met by fierce resistance from The Enquiry Industrial Complex.
    Land input cost is definitely a problem.
    Addressing that is absolutely necessary if a major increase in LA house building is to be financed - though agreed, it’s not enough on its own.

    But they do give some indication of actually having thought through some of the practicalities.

    Anyway, it’s more interesting than which second rater* becomes the next Tory leader.

    (*I’m a generous person.)
    Is there anything to stop a local council buying some land at non-building prices and then giving themselves planning permission?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Clean shot on goal wasted.
    Are they panicking ?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,643
    ydoethur said:

    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    MJW said:

    Kemi Badenoch is popular because she isn't Rishi Sunak, who was popular because he wasn't Boris Johnson. None of these people have any actual attributes.

    It's more that they're popular with people who work or worked at The Spectator.

    Johnson was their star. The embodiment of consequence-free columnist conservatism.

    Sunak was the best mate of their longtime political editor who people couldn't stop telling us was incredibly bright.

    Badenoch worked there and embodies its current strong focus on 'wokeness' as the topic that hits home with its readers, while taking a slightly more intellectual analysis of it than you'd find within the ranks of Reform or Braverman.
    Talking of which, who is Starmer going to allow to buy the Telegraph/Spectator?

    Last I heard, Fraser Nelson et al were still for sale.
    Who currently publishes the Sunday Sport?
    They've got their reputation to think of, the publishers of the Sunday Sport.
    I was only thinking that these publications are already celebrated for promoting and publishing tits.
    But they only publish the naked truth.
    They should be clothes down.
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