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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,031
    We've been practising.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    F*** me we've managed to score 5 penalties.

    Southgate must have got them to practice them a bit.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,806
    @Andy_JS

    Here was mine….

    Monksfield Posts: 2,542
    July 3
    My predicted vote shares & seats:

    Lab 38 / 410
    Con 22 / 134
    LD 13 / 53
    Ref 14 / 2
    Grn 5 / 3
    SNP 2 / 22
    Other 6 / 26 (18 NI, 4 PC, Speaker, Corbyn, Dewsbury + 1)

    Overcooked SNP, undercooked LibDem and Reform. Tory & Lab very close.

    But nailed Corbyn, Dewsbury and one of the other Gaza loons
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    A happier country already
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,837

    Zero interest in football.

    Is it over yet? Can we go back to politics?

    It's over.

    Starmer is a lucky general :smile:
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009
    L is for Labour.

    L is for Last Four.
  • JACK_WJACK_W Posts: 682
    England Win With Starmer .... :smiley:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    JACK_W said:

    England Win With Starmer .... :smiley:

    To be fair they won with Sunak too to get this far
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252

    L is for Labour.

    L is for Last Four.

    Thats unfair on Lice
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,568

    Zero interest in football.

    Is it over yet? Can we go back to politics?

    I can provide live updates on Djokovic-Popyrin if you like...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,031
    Rishi still wondering what happened to Wales..
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    I think there has been some serious prep for the penalties there, I bet with psychologists. They all had the same pre-kick routine.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615

    Starmer's first big test....

    Passed with ease...
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    Zero interest in football.

    Is it over yet? Can we go back to politics?

    Massively dull game. The goal is patently too small for play to be interesting and too big for penalties, but diagnosing and fixing this is beyond them.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    Pub im in has guys saying reform deserved far more seats for their vote share. And others singing Sweden's going home. Go figure.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,540
    England hoping Turkey beat Netherlands I guess.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited July 6

    I think there has been some serious prep for the penalties there, I bet with psychologists. They all had the same pre-kick routine.

    I think having a manager who missed a crucial penalty also helps.
    It reminded me of watching golfers with their pre-shot routine. Each with the slowing it down, the deep breaths, waiting for their heart rate to reduce a bit in a zen like pose for a few seconds.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,796
    Andy_JS said:

    England hoping Turkey beat Netherlands I guess.

    Turkey's attack could tear this defence apart. I still don't think the defence are getting nearly enough cover from an unbalanced midfield.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    I think Cole Palmer has to start the semi-final. I would say Shaw rather than Trippier, but he clearly isn't fit.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117

    Zero interest in football.

    Is it over yet? Can we go back to politics?

    Explains alot Casino....

    I don't trust blokes who don't like footie and a pint...call me old fashioned....
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,796

    Zero interest in football.

    Is it over yet? Can we go back to politics?

    Massively dull game. The goal is patently too small for play to be interesting and too big for penalties, but diagnosing and fixing this is beyond them.
    In one of the great films, 12 angry men, the director brought both the walls and the roof in as the tension mounted in the jury room. Once it was resolved it opened up again. Perhaps we should do the same with goals, increase the size of the goal by 30 cm after every 10 minutes without a goal.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,660
    edited July 6

    I think there has been some serious prep for the penalties there, I bet with psychologists. They all had the same pre-kick routine.

    I think having a manager who missed a crucial penalty also helps.
    We all know that happened - it is there in the memory - but personally I think we need to win a few more penalty shootouts before it can be mentioned in polite company.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,540
    Someone posted this yesterday but worth looking at again imo.

    "But I can now disclose just why Sunak pushed for an early poll. It was because Oliver Dowden, who was deputy prime minister and Sunak's closest political friend, had discovered that every month fixed term mortgage rates were ending for 135,000 homeowners. Their average 2.7 per cent deals were being replaced by new packages closer to 6 per cent – adding hundreds and in some cases thousands of pounds to people's monthly outgoings. 'We walked through all the scenarios with the PM but this number was crucial to the decision,' insists my source. 'Oliver was obsessed by it. He flapped, as usual, as he feared that by November another 800,000 homeowners would have mortgages which had doubled in cost.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13605549/why-rishi-sunak-called-july-general-election.html
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    A little side note from Thursdays elections, in the 60 local by elections most were holds but of some note, in the East Riding Reform got their first ever local by election gain from the Tories
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,588
    DavidL said:

    Zero interest in football.

    Is it over yet? Can we go back to politics?

    Massively dull game. The goal is patently too small for play to be interesting and too big for penalties, but diagnosing and fixing this is beyond them.
    In one of the great films, 12 angry men, the director brought both the walls and the roof in as the tension mounted in the jury room. Once it was resolved it opened up again. Perhaps we should do the same with goals, increase the size of the goal by 30 cm after every 10 minutes without a goal.
    Take one player off from each team every goalless 10 minutes. At the end of tedious matches you are down to one outfield player and a goalie... Or 2 outfield players. It'd be great.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,400
    Astonishing that the Hartlepool by-election, where Labour lost a seat to the Conservatives in a by-election, was only 38 months ago today.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    On electronic voting in the US: I accept that it is possible, given current technology. I do not think that it would be possible to get the high level of trust that it needs to be successful, given the current bitter divisions in the US.

    (I'll leave it to those better informed about the UK than I to judge whether that high level of trust is possible in your nation.)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    I can't help feeling Micah Richards should get a prime time BBC gig.

    I think he's auditioning for Lineker's job.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    mwadams said:

    DavidL said:

    Zero interest in football.

    Is it over yet? Can we go back to politics?

    Massively dull game. The goal is patently too small for play to be interesting and too big for penalties, but diagnosing and fixing this is beyond them.
    In one of the great films, 12 angry men, the director brought both the walls and the roof in as the tension mounted in the jury room. Once it was resolved it opened up again. Perhaps we should do the same with goals, increase the size of the goal by 30 cm after every 10 minutes without a goal.
    Take one player off from each team every goalless 10 minutes. At the end of tedious matches you are down to one outfield player and a goalie... Or 2 outfield players. It'd be great.
    This is what they do in ice-hockey. You lose players in Over Time.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,540

    On electronic voting in the US: I accept that it is possible, given current technology. I do not think that it would be possible to get the high level of trust that it needs to be successful, given the current bitter divisions in the US.

    (I'll leave it to those better informed about the UK than I to judge whether that high level of trust is possible in your nation.)

    Isn't it already used in certain places in the US?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546

    On electronic voting in the US: I accept that it is possible, given current technology. I do not think that it would be possible to get the high level of trust that it needs to be successful, given the current bitter divisions in the US.

    (I'll leave it to those better informed about the UK than I to judge whether that high level of trust is possible in your nation.)

    Electronic voting is already used in the US, in various states and forms:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting_in_the_United_States

    The lists of problems are expectedly long. But any machine that uses closed-source software should be nowhere near elections.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,588

    Off-topic:

    At the end of last month, an event happened that has passed relatively unheralded: the last coal train in Britain ran (*) to the last coal-fired power station, Ratcliffe-on-Soar, which itself will close later this year. (The power station still have a massive stockpile of coal to burn through, which you can see from the adjacent dual carriageway.)

    King Coal is dead.

    I remember when I was a kid, seeing (what seemed like) vast trains of HAA coal hoppers going into Spondon B and Willington power stations. It's hard to believe that this era is at end. A good thing, though, given climate change. But I will still mourn it.

    Coal helped build the railways. Now coal is at an end, but the railways continue. And just a year before the 200th anniversary of the Stockton and Darlington railway, built to transport coal.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c886qd2g80xo

    (Incidentally, I think my dad's company helped build the large horizontal pipes in the BBC picture - if they're part of the gas desulphurisation system, which I think they are. The pipes are truly massive.)

    (*) To a power station, at least. And probably the last of all.

    My great aunt used to live in Willington, and my old mum still lives in Littleover. Those cooling towers were part of my childhood.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,116
    edited July 6

    F*** me we've managed to score 5 penalties.

    Southgate must have got them to practice them a bit.

    The key is that Southgate isn't taking one of them :smile:
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,796
    Andy_JS said:

    Someone posted this yesterday but worth looking at again imo.

    "But I can now disclose just why Sunak pushed for an early poll. It was because Oliver Dowden, who was deputy prime minister and Sunak's closest political friend, had discovered that every month fixed term mortgage rates were ending for 135,000 homeowners. Their average 2.7 per cent deals were being replaced by new packages closer to 6 per cent – adding hundreds and in some cases thousands of pounds to people's monthly outgoings. 'We walked through all the scenarios with the PM but this number was crucial to the decision,' insists my source. 'Oliver was obsessed by it. He flapped, as usual, as he feared that by November another 800,000 homeowners would have mortgages which had doubled in cost.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13605549/why-rishi-sunak-called-july-general-election.html

    I frankly find it astonishing and actually depressing that someone had to point this out. The point is that in this cycle interest rates have peaked and are now heading down. I don't believe that this would have been the gamechanger that Dowden thought. On the other hand I don't believe it would have made any difference to go later either. It might even have been worse. People were getting increasingly impatient with a government in office but not in power.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,837
    HYUFD said:
    Looking at the Labour target list is also very revealing - 72 more seats available to them on swings of 5% or less, the vast bulk of which are held by the Conservatives.

    All of the LD seats bar two are outside of Labour's top 120 targets. We all know how damaging Reform defections were to the Conservatives, but if anything demonstrates the full extent of the anti-Tory tactical switching between Lab and LD that occurred as well, that is surely it.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,588

    mwadams said:

    DavidL said:

    Zero interest in football.

    Is it over yet? Can we go back to politics?

    Massively dull game. The goal is patently too small for play to be interesting and too big for penalties, but diagnosing and fixing this is beyond them.
    In one of the great films, 12 angry men, the director brought both the walls and the roof in as the tension mounted in the jury room. Once it was resolved it opened up again. Perhaps we should do the same with goals, increase the size of the goal by 30 cm after every 10 minutes without a goal.
    Take one player off from each team every goalless 10 minutes. At the end of tedious matches you are down to one outfield player and a goalie... Or 2 outfield players. It'd be great.
    This is what they do in ice-hockey. You lose players in Over Time.
    I did not know that! That's excellent.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    tyson said:

    Zero interest in football.

    Is it over yet? Can we go back to politics?

    Explains alot Casino....

    I don't trust blokes who don't like footie and a pint...call me old fashioned....
    I'm the same (except Eton fives and crème de menthe frappée).
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,507

    Off-topic:

    At the end of last month, an event happened that has passed relatively unheralded: the last coal train in Britain ran (*) to the last coal-fired power station, Ratcliffe-on-Soar, which itself will close later this year. (The power station still have a massive stockpile of coal to burn through, which you can see from the adjacent dual carriageway.)

    King Coal is dead.

    I remember when I was a kid, seeing (what seemed like) vast trains of HAA coal hoppers going into Spondon B and Willington power stations. It's hard to believe that this era is at end. A good thing, though, given climate change. But I will still mourn it.

    Coal helped build the railways. Now coal is at an end, but the railways continue. And just a year before the 200th anniversary of the Stockton and Darlington railway, built to transport coal.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c886qd2g80xo

    (Incidentally, I think my dad's company helped build the large horizontal pipes in the BBC picture - if they're part of the gas desulphurisation system, which I think they are. The pipes are truly massive.)

    (*) To a power station, at least. And probably the last of all.

    When they built that power station they destroyed one of the most important trade towns in Roman midlands. No one knew (officially) until decades later when some excavations close to the edge of the site revealed traces. But the lack of a robust planning system allowed it to happen with nothing recorded.

    This was pretty much the norm until Thatcher brought in the PPG system at the end of the 80s.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546
    mwadams said:

    Off-topic:

    At the end of last month, an event happened that has passed relatively unheralded: the last coal train in Britain ran (*) to the last coal-fired power station, Ratcliffe-on-Soar, which itself will close later this year. (The power station still have a massive stockpile of coal to burn through, which you can see from the adjacent dual carriageway.)

    King Coal is dead.

    I remember when I was a kid, seeing (what seemed like) vast trains of HAA coal hoppers going into Spondon B and Willington power stations. It's hard to believe that this era is at end. A good thing, though, given climate change. But I will still mourn it.

    Coal helped build the railways. Now coal is at an end, but the railways continue. And just a year before the 200th anniversary of the Stockton and Darlington railway, built to transport coal.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c886qd2g80xo

    (Incidentally, I think my dad's company helped build the large horizontal pipes in the BBC picture - if they're part of the gas desulphurisation system, which I think they are. The pipes are truly massive.)

    (*) To a power station, at least. And probably the last of all.

    My great aunt used to live in Willington, and my old mum still lives in Littleover. Those cooling towers were part of my childhood.
    Heh. I was born at Stenson, just down the road, and some of my family still live in Barrow. My uncle went to school at a little school just off the road that sometimes floods in Twyford (now a private house), and my dad remembers the old chain ferry across the river there.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,808
    A NEW DAWN HAS BROKEN, HAS IT NOT?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,361
    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    England hoping Turkey beat Netherlands I guess.

    Turkey's attack could tear this defence apart. I still don't think the defence are getting nearly enough cover from an unbalanced midfield.
    Name something you’d take to the beach

    Turkey.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,361

    I can't help feeling Micah Richards should get a prime time BBC gig.

    I think he's auditioning for Lineker's job.

    😂😂😂😂
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601
    Scotland fans everywhere silently waiting to change the flag on their Twitter name to Holland or Turkey.

    https://x.com/paddypower/status/1809659461537067487?s=46
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    edited July 6

    Astonishing that the Hartlepool by-election, where Labour lost a seat to the Conservatives in a by-election, was only 38 months ago today.

    38 months ago we had a lying buffoon as PM. As people soon realised.
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,456

    Off-topic:

    At the end of last month, an event happened that has passed relatively unheralded: the last coal train in Britain ran (*) to the last coal-fired power station, Ratcliffe-on-Soar, which itself will close later this year. (The power station still have a massive stockpile of coal to burn through, which you can see from the adjacent dual carriageway.)

    King Coal is dead.

    I remember when I was a kid, seeing (what seemed like) vast trains of HAA coal hoppers going into Spondon B and Willington power stations. It's hard to believe that this era is at end. A good thing, though, given climate change. But I will still mourn it.

    Coal helped build the railways. Now coal is at an end, but the railways continue. And just a year before the 200th anniversary of the Stockton and Darlington railway, built to transport coal.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c886qd2g80xo

    (Incidentally, I think my dad's company helped build the large horizontal pipes in the BBC picture - if they're part of the gas desulphurisation system, which I think they are. The pipes are truly massive.)

    (*) To a power station, at least. And probably the last of all.

    There's still the blast furnace at Port Talbot, which I think gets coal via the South Wales Main Line. Due to be converted to an electric arc furnace in the very near future, though, so won't be running much longer...
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,361

    Astonishing that the Hartlepool by-election, where Labour lost a seat to the Conservatives in a by-election, was only 38 months ago today.

    And @BatteryCorrectHorse called it as peak Bojo. Rightly so
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,361

    Low IQ Leon.

    Gareth Southgate has taken England to the semis/final in three of the four tournaments he's managed England.

    All that wokeness must be behind it.

    It’s the rainbow laces wot dun it
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930

    I think there has been some serious prep for the penalties there, I bet with psychologists. They all had the same pre-kick routine.

    I think having a manager who missed a crucial penalty also helps.
    It reminded me of watching golfers with their pre-shot routine. Each with the slowing it down, the deep breaths, waiting for their heart rate to reduce a bit in a zen like pose for a few seconds.
    Nothing on earth is as boring as golf, though.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    England hoping Turkey beat Netherlands I guess.

    Turkey's attack could tear this defence apart. I still don't think the defence are getting nearly enough cover from an unbalanced midfield.
    Shaw could do 60 mins maybe. Crazy not to have a left-footed left wing-back
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    A NEW DAWN HAS BROKEN, HAS IT NOT?

    THE SUN ON THE MEADOW IS WARM

    See also Shining Path, Land of the Rising Sun etc. A pretty iffy metaphor
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,837

    I think there has been some serious prep for the penalties there, I bet with psychologists. They all had the same pre-kick routine.

    I think having a manager who missed a crucial penalty also helps.
    It reminded me of watching golfers with their pre-shot routine. Each with the slowing it down, the deep breaths, waiting for their heart rate to reduce a bit in a zen like pose for a few seconds.
    Nothing on earth is as boring as golf, though.
    You clearly weren't here for the Dingwall Counting Centre live stream.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651

    I can't help feeling Micah Richards should get a prime time BBC gig.

    I think he's auditioning for Lineker's job.

    He is a natural.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,687
    When voters were actually offered a form of PR in shape of AV, they said no by large margin.

    Once in a generation vote???
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Just heard the interview with Southgate. Was I watching a different game?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,796

    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    England hoping Turkey beat Netherlands I guess.

    Turkey's attack could tear this defence apart. I still don't think the defence are getting nearly enough cover from an unbalanced midfield.
    Shaw could do 60 mins maybe. Crazy not to have a left-footed left wing-back
    When he's fit he is probably England's best crosser of the ball. But I agree that he wouldn't last 90 minutes.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,585
    The new business secretary:

    Jonathan Reynolds was born on 28 August 1980 in Houghton-le-Spring to Keith and Judith Reynolds. He moved to Manchester in 1998, studying Politics and Modern History at the University of Manchester and BPP Law School (Manchester). After leaving university Reynolds worked for the council and (former MP) James Purnell, before beginning training as a solicitor. Reynolds served on Labour's National Executive Committee from 2003 to 2005. In 2007, he was elected to Tameside Council for the ward of Longdendale.

    Reynolds worked for four years as a political assistant for the previous Stalybridge and Hyde MP James Purnell and was selected to replace Purnell after a controversial selection process. Reynolds is a member of the Co-operative Party and Unite the Union.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Reynolds

    So never been in business, never been in the private sector, never been in government.

    Perhaps he's watched a few episodes of The Apprentice.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,585
    I wonder how many of those wanting to make polling day a bank holiday actually bother to vote.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930
    pigeon said:

    I think there has been some serious prep for the penalties there, I bet with psychologists. They all had the same pre-kick routine.

    I think having a manager who missed a crucial penalty also helps.
    It reminded me of watching golfers with their pre-shot routine. Each with the slowing it down, the deep breaths, waiting for their heart rate to reduce a bit in a zen like pose for a few seconds.
    Nothing on earth is as boring as golf, though.
    You clearly weren't here for the Dingwall Counting Centre live stream.
    But, but, but …..overtime and time off in lieu!
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,837

    pigeon said:

    I think there has been some serious prep for the penalties there, I bet with psychologists. They all had the same pre-kick routine.

    I think having a manager who missed a crucial penalty also helps.
    It reminded me of watching golfers with their pre-shot routine. Each with the slowing it down, the deep breaths, waiting for their heart rate to reduce a bit in a zen like pose for a few seconds.
    Nothing on earth is as boring as golf, though.
    You clearly weren't here for the Dingwall Counting Centre live stream.
    But, but, but …..overtime and time off in lieu!
    Nice for the council staff, no incentive for the spectators.

    That much said, there was the woman folding the black sheet thingy very nicely, and the stray sheep.

    Yeah, OK, you win. DCC Live beats golf for excitement.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,837

    The new business secretary:

    Jonathan Reynolds was born on 28 August 1980 in Houghton-le-Spring to Keith and Judith Reynolds. He moved to Manchester in 1998, studying Politics and Modern History at the University of Manchester and BPP Law School (Manchester). After leaving university Reynolds worked for the council and (former MP) James Purnell, before beginning training as a solicitor. Reynolds served on Labour's National Executive Committee from 2003 to 2005. In 2007, he was elected to Tameside Council for the ward of Longdendale.

    Reynolds worked for four years as a political assistant for the previous Stalybridge and Hyde MP James Purnell and was selected to replace Purnell after a controversial selection process. Reynolds is a member of the Co-operative Party and Unite the Union.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Reynolds

    So never been in business, never been in the private sector, never been in government.

    Perhaps he's watched a few episodes of The Apprentice.

    This, I'm afraid, is the age of professional politicians. An awful lot of them haven't done much else.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,806

    I can't help feeling Micah Richards should get a prime time BBC gig.

    I think he's auditioning for Lineker's job.

    He’s good with the Bantz for sure….
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    Taz said:

    Astonishing that the Hartlepool by-election, where Labour lost a seat to the Conservatives in a by-election, was only 38 months ago today.

    And @BatteryCorrectHorse called it as peak Bojo. Rightly so
    Before my time but a site search for peak + Johnson shows someone called IshmaelZ posting "Hartlepool = peak Johnson" in May 2021. And this

    "I still think we are round about peak Johnson. Wallpapergate still has the potential to turn into a lying to the house, breaching ministerial code, resigning sort of issue. Cummings still has things to say on the 26th. SKS looks vulnerable where Johnson wants him securely in place. Vaccine gratitude wears off. A high peak is still a peak."
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    edited July 6
    ...

    The new business secretary:

    Jonathan Reynolds was born on 28 August 1980 in Houghton-le-Spring to Keith and Judith Reynolds. He moved to Manchester in 1998, studying Politics and Modern History at the University of Manchester and BPP Law School (Manchester). After leaving university Reynolds worked for the council and (former MP) James Purnell, before beginning training as a solicitor. Reynolds served on Labour's National Executive Committee from 2003 to 2005. In 2007, he was elected to Tameside Council for the ward of Longdendale.

    Reynolds worked for four years as a political assistant for the previous Stalybridge and Hyde MP James Purnell and was selected to replace Purnell after a controversial selection process. Reynolds is a member of the Co-operative Party and Unite the Union.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Reynolds

    So never been in business, never been in the private sector, never been in government.

    Perhaps he's watched a few episodes of The Apprentice.

    I've found my politics degree has been invaluable for my business career.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,585
    If anyone was worried about their postal vote on time it could be a lot, lot worse:

    It should have been a simple transfer. Instead the businessman Stuart James lost almost all of his £1 million pot after a catalogue of failures by a pension firm and two of the UK’s biggest banks.

    A big reason for his loss was the fact that his life savings were not sent electronically, or via a secure bank transfer. They were sent by cheque: a simple piece of paper that was transported, not by a specially arranged courier, but by Royal Mail.

    This precious cargo was intercepted, pocketed by thieves and quickly deposited before being moved on to destinations still mainly unknown. More than six months later, having lost £30,000 in legal fees and unpaid interest, James is still without most of his carefully saved pension pot.


    https://www.thetimes.com/business-money/money/article/lost-pension-uk-barclays-tsb-cheque-zbzlssfrs
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    FUCKSAKE
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546
    pigeon said:

    The new business secretary:

    Jonathan Reynolds was born on 28 August 1980 in Houghton-le-Spring to Keith and Judith Reynolds. He moved to Manchester in 1998, studying Politics and Modern History at the University of Manchester and BPP Law School (Manchester). After leaving university Reynolds worked for the council and (former MP) James Purnell, before beginning training as a solicitor. Reynolds served on Labour's National Executive Committee from 2003 to 2005. In 2007, he was elected to Tameside Council for the ward of Longdendale.

    Reynolds worked for four years as a political assistant for the previous Stalybridge and Hyde MP James Purnell and was selected to replace Purnell after a controversial selection process. Reynolds is a member of the Co-operative Party and Unite the Union.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Reynolds

    So never been in business, never been in the private sector, never been in government.

    Perhaps he's watched a few episodes of The Apprentice.

    This, I'm afraid, is the age of professional politicians. An awful lot of them haven't done much else.
    A big issue is that they may be professional politicians, but many of them aren't very good at the actual politics. If they were professional and more competent, I'd have less of an issue with it.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,585

    ...

    The new business secretary:

    Jonathan Reynolds was born on 28 August 1980 in Houghton-le-Spring to Keith and Judith Reynolds. He moved to Manchester in 1998, studying Politics and Modern History at the University of Manchester and BPP Law School (Manchester). After leaving university Reynolds worked for the council and (former MP) James Purnell, before beginning training as a solicitor. Reynolds served on Labour's National Executive Committee from 2003 to 2005. In 2007, he was elected to Tameside Council for the ward of Longdendale.

    Reynolds worked for four years as a political assistant for the previous Stalybridge and Hyde MP James Purnell and was selected to replace Purnell after a controversial selection process. Reynolds is a member of the Co-operative Party and Unite the Union.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Reynolds

    So never been in business, never been in the private sector, never been in government.

    Perhaps he's watched a few episodes of The Apprentice.

    I've found my politics degree has been invaluable for my business career.
    It must help you spot those making big promises they cannot deliver on.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited July 6

    The new business secretary:

    Jonathan Reynolds was born on 28 August 1980 in Houghton-le-Spring to Keith and Judith Reynolds. He moved to Manchester in 1998, studying Politics and Modern History at the University of Manchester and BPP Law School (Manchester). After leaving university Reynolds worked for the council and (former MP) James Purnell, before beginning training as a solicitor. Reynolds served on Labour's National Executive Committee from 2003 to 2005. In 2007, he was elected to Tameside Council for the ward of Longdendale.

    Reynolds worked for four years as a political assistant for the previous Stalybridge and Hyde MP James Purnell and was selected to replace Purnell after a controversial selection process. Reynolds is a member of the Co-operative Party and Unite the Union.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Reynolds

    So never been in business, never been in the private sector, never been in government.

    Perhaps he's watched a few episodes of The Apprentice.

    If I was Starmer I would have tapped up another external appointment for this job. If your supposed to be all about growth, growth, growth, it would be helpful to have somebody who really understands business in that position (also the network of connections, you can sound out if ideas).

    Vallance and Timpson are filling in other weaknesses. They are painfully short on anybody else who has setup or run a proper business.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    edited July 6
    Today's alliteration:

    Dirty, diving, Duchies
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,116
    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Someone posted this yesterday but worth looking at again imo.

    "But I can now disclose just why Sunak pushed for an early poll. It was because Oliver Dowden, who was deputy prime minister and Sunak's closest political friend, had discovered that every month fixed term mortgage rates were ending for 135,000 homeowners. Their average 2.7 per cent deals were being replaced by new packages closer to 6 per cent – adding hundreds and in some cases thousands of pounds to people's monthly outgoings. 'We walked through all the scenarios with the PM but this number was crucial to the decision,' insists my source. 'Oliver was obsessed by it. He flapped, as usual, as he feared that by November another 800,000 homeowners would have mortgages which had doubled in cost.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13605549/why-rishi-sunak-called-july-general-election.html

    I frankly find it astonishing and actually depressing that someone had to point this out. The point is that in this cycle interest rates have peaked and are now heading down. I don't believe that this would have been the gamechanger that Dowden thought. On the other hand I don't believe it would have made any difference to go later either. It might even have been worse. People were getting increasingly impatient with a government in office but not in power.
    Has the entire Government been operating standing on their head in Lord Buckethead's Bucket for the last 2 years?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546

    If anyone was worried about their postal vote on time it could be a lot, lot worse:

    It should have been a simple transfer. Instead the businessman Stuart James lost almost all of his £1 million pot after a catalogue of failures by a pension firm and two of the UK’s biggest banks.

    A big reason for his loss was the fact that his life savings were not sent electronically, or via a secure bank transfer. They were sent by cheque: a simple piece of paper that was transported, not by a specially arranged courier, but by Royal Mail.

    This precious cargo was intercepted, pocketed by thieves and quickly deposited before being moved on to destinations still mainly unknown. More than six months later, having lost £30,000 in legal fees and unpaid interest, James is still without most of his carefully saved pension pot.


    https://www.thetimes.com/business-money/money/article/lost-pension-uk-barclays-tsb-cheque-zbzlssfrs

    ISTR a story from the 1980s or so, where criminals were intercepting cheques for the Inland Revenue, then altering them to 'Mr Inlandi Revenuei' or somesuch before depositing them. No idea if it was true or not.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    edited July 6
    rcs1000 said:

    When voters were actually offered a form of PR in shape of AV, they said no by large margin.

    Once in a generation vote???

    AV is often anti-proportional: it would have resulted in a larger Labour 1997 for example.
    True but the Referendum Party then got less than 10% of the voteshare Reform got on Thursday. AV would now therefore likely benefit the Tories much more than it did then as well as still helping the LDs, probably Reform not so much as PR would though as while they are 15% of voters first choice they would likely be not many voters second choice. Indeed plenty of Sunak Tories would vote LD or even Starmer Labour second over Reform
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    SOUTHGATE OUT!

    Oh.

    Yet another semi final in this extraordinary Southgate era. By any measure he is the best England manager after Ramsay, and unquestionably the best in my lifetime.

    I hope he gets a trophy, though tbh even if we do get past the Dutch or the Turks, I don’t fancy us against Spain (France are a maybe).
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,796

    The new business secretary:

    Jonathan Reynolds was born on 28 August 1980 in Houghton-le-Spring to Keith and Judith Reynolds. He moved to Manchester in 1998, studying Politics and Modern History at the University of Manchester and BPP Law School (Manchester). After leaving university Reynolds worked for the council and (former MP) James Purnell, before beginning training as a solicitor. Reynolds served on Labour's National Executive Committee from 2003 to 2005. In 2007, he was elected to Tameside Council for the ward of Longdendale.

    Reynolds worked for four years as a political assistant for the previous Stalybridge and Hyde MP James Purnell and was selected to replace Purnell after a controversial selection process. Reynolds is a member of the Co-operative Party and Unite the Union.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Reynolds

    So never been in business, never been in the private sector, never been in government.

    Perhaps he's watched a few episodes of The Apprentice.

    Maybe involved in running the Student Union when at Uni? Seems the type. Can't say his predecessor showed any great insight into business either.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,116

    Off-topic:

    At the end of last month, an event happened that has passed relatively unheralded: the last coal train in Britain ran (*) to the last coal-fired power station, Ratcliffe-on-Soar, which itself will close later this year. (The power station still have a massive stockpile of coal to burn through, which you can see from the adjacent dual carriageway.)

    King Coal is dead.

    I remember when I was a kid, seeing (what seemed like) vast trains of HAA coal hoppers going into Spondon B and Willington power stations. It's hard to believe that this era is at end. A good thing, though, given climate change. But I will still mourn it.

    Coal helped build the railways. Now coal is at an end, but the railways continue. And just a year before the 200th anniversary of the Stockton and Darlington railway, built to transport coal.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c886qd2g80xo

    (Incidentally, I think my dad's company helped build the large horizontal pipes in the BBC picture - if they're part of the gas desulphurisation system, which I think they are. The pipes are truly massive.)

    (*) To a power station, at least. And probably the last of all.

    I used to deal with the Vicar there, who was also the part=time Industrial Chaplain to the Boots Company (and the power station.)

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    Suella Braverman has said that the Conservatives “deserved” their historic election defeat, in an intervention that will be seen as laying the groundwork for her leadership bid.

    Writing in The Telegraph, the former home secretary accuses Rishi Sunak of pursuing an “idiotic strategy” and suggests that some of her colleagues treated voters like “mugs”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/06/tories-had-it-coming-says-braverman/
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,274
    edited July 6
    Vote for change vote for England winning the Euros .

    It’s in the stars . Starmer will bask in Euro glory and the public will know already that life will be better under Labour.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,722
    On thread . A majority of voters woukd support 100bn more spending on the NHS.. which is unaffordable. Ignore such polls. ...
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,274
    Andy_JS said:

    O/T Bloody hell, just found out that on 15th June I placed a £10 bet on Lab getting 33.00-34.99% at odds of 110-1. Sorry to boast but I'd genuinely forgotten about those bets. I think the party was averaging about 45% in the polls.

    Wow well done. I hope you’re going to do something really enjoyable with the winnings .
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    nico679 said:

    Vote for change vote for England winning the Euros .

    It’s in the stars . Starmer will bask in Euro glory and the public will know already that life will be better under Labour.

    Its the hope that kills you....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    Andy_JS said:

    O/T Bloody hell, just found out that on 15th June I placed a £10 bet on Lab getting 33.00-34.99% at odds of 110-1. Sorry to boast but I'd genuinely forgotten about those bets. I think the party was averaging about 45% in the polls.

    All round yours for Christmas....
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,361

    Taz said:

    Astonishing that the Hartlepool by-election, where Labour lost a seat to the Conservatives in a by-election, was only 38 months ago today.

    And @BatteryCorrectHorse called it as peak Bojo. Rightly so
    Before my time but a site search for peak + Johnson shows someone called IshmaelZ posting "Hartlepool = peak Johnson" in May 2021. And this

    "I still think we are round about peak Johnson. Wallpapergate still has the potential to turn into a lying to the house, breaching ministerial code, resigning sort of issue. Cummings still has things to say on the 26th. SKS looks vulnerable where Johnson wants him securely in place. Vaccine gratitude wears off. A high peak is still a peak."
    Wouldn’t know bout that. The guy was an obnoxious prick whose posts I ignored
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,290
    HYUFD said:
    God, the SNP really got gubbed in Lanarkshire, didn't they?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601

    If anyone was worried about their postal vote on time it could be a lot, lot worse:

    It should have been a simple transfer. Instead the businessman Stuart James lost almost all of his £1 million pot after a catalogue of failures by a pension firm and two of the UK’s biggest banks.

    A big reason for his loss was the fact that his life savings were not sent electronically, or via a secure bank transfer. They were sent by cheque: a simple piece of paper that was transported, not by a specially arranged courier, but by Royal Mail.

    This precious cargo was intercepted, pocketed by thieves and quickly deposited before being moved on to destinations still mainly unknown. More than six months later, having lost £30,000 in legal fees and unpaid interest, James is still without most of his carefully saved pension pot.


    https://www.thetimes.com/business-money/money/article/lost-pension-uk-barclays-tsb-cheque-zbzlssfrs

    Mate, you missed the most important part from his Wiki entry.

    In December 2015, Reynolds introduced a Private Member's Bill which would have changed UK general elections from first-past-the-post to the additional-member system.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    edited July 6
    pigeon said:

    HYUFD said:
    Looking at the Labour target list is also very revealing - 72 more seats available to them on swings of 5% or less, the vast bulk of which are held by the Conservatives.

    All of the LD seats bar two are outside of Labour's top 120 targets. We all know how damaging Reform defections were to the Conservatives, but if anything demonstrates the full extent of the anti-Tory tactical switching between Lab and LD that occurred as well, that is surely it.
    Indeed but given Labour are over 400 seats now it is hard to see them gaining many more seats. Indeed in the general election after their 1997 landslide in 2001 Labour only gained 2 seats, Dorset South from the Tories and Ynys Mon from Plaid although they held almost all the seats they had won in 1997
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,585

    If anyone was worried about their postal vote on time it could be a lot, lot worse:

    It should have been a simple transfer. Instead the businessman Stuart James lost almost all of his £1 million pot after a catalogue of failures by a pension firm and two of the UK’s biggest banks.

    A big reason for his loss was the fact that his life savings were not sent electronically, or via a secure bank transfer. They were sent by cheque: a simple piece of paper that was transported, not by a specially arranged courier, but by Royal Mail.

    This precious cargo was intercepted, pocketed by thieves and quickly deposited before being moved on to destinations still mainly unknown. More than six months later, having lost £30,000 in legal fees and unpaid interest, James is still without most of his carefully saved pension pot.


    https://www.thetimes.com/business-money/money/article/lost-pension-uk-barclays-tsb-cheque-zbzlssfrs

    ISTR a story from the 1980s or so, where criminals were intercepting cheques for the Inland Revenue, then altering them to 'Mr Inlandi Revenuei' or somesuch before depositing them. No idea if it was true or not.
    A bank which allowed such an account name to be opened would have been answering questions themselves I hope.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,837
    edited July 6

    If anyone was worried about their postal vote on time it could be a lot, lot worse:

    It should have been a simple transfer. Instead the businessman Stuart James lost almost all of his £1 million pot after a catalogue of failures by a pension firm and two of the UK’s biggest banks.

    A big reason for his loss was the fact that his life savings were not sent electronically, or via a secure bank transfer. They were sent by cheque: a simple piece of paper that was transported, not by a specially arranged courier, but by Royal Mail.

    This precious cargo was intercepted, pocketed by thieves and quickly deposited before being moved on to destinations still mainly unknown. More than six months later, having lost £30,000 in legal fees and unpaid interest, James is still without most of his carefully saved pension pot.


    https://www.thetimes.com/business-money/money/article/lost-pension-uk-barclays-tsb-cheque-zbzlssfrs

    No need to look behind the paywall to imagine what happened next. The two banks and the pension firm are now, presumably, all stonewalling and pointing the finger at each other, whilst the man suffers without his money. And will probably still be suffering without his money in ten years' time.

    It's all of a piece with cases reported with such frequency in the news that we hardly pay any attention to them anymore. All those Carers' Allowance recipients pursued ruthlessly for tens of thousands of pounds, because their pitiful pin money part-time jobs paid them 3p an hour more than they were allowed. The woman who spent months disputing the £62,000 electricity bill issued for her one bedroom flat who, whilst pleading over and over with the wretched supplier to correct their blindingly obvious mistake, was then threatened with the bailliffs for late payment. Total incompetence, wilful obstruction, penny pinching and merciless cruelty - the hallmarks of much of British officialdom, both within the organs of the state and in private enterprise. The country isn't merely floating on, drowning in and encircled by its own sewage, all the people in it are treated like shit, too.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,809
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Astonishing that the Hartlepool by-election, where Labour lost a seat to the Conservatives in a by-election, was only 38 months ago today.

    And @BatteryCorrectHorse called it as peak Bojo. Rightly so
    Before my time but a site search for peak + Johnson shows someone called IshmaelZ posting "Hartlepool = peak Johnson" in May 2021. And this

    "I still think we are round about peak Johnson. Wallpapergate still has the potential to turn into a lying to the house, breaching ministerial code, resigning sort of issue. Cummings still has things to say on the 26th. SKS looks vulnerable where Johnson wants him securely in place. Vaccine gratitude wears off. A high peak is still a peak."
    Wouldn’t know bout that. The guy was an obnoxious prick whose posts I ignored
    Didn't think that at all. For instance, he was unusual for a rightwinger in accepting the importance of slavery in the UK economy, for much the same reasons as me - and I had had to do with my own eyes from helping with historical research.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,274

    nico679 said:

    Vote for change vote for England winning the Euros .

    It’s in the stars . Starmer will bask in Euro glory and the public will know already that life will be better under Labour.

    Its the hope that kills you....
    Keep the faith . I’m convinced England are going to win. New government with a huge football fan as PM and also a fellow Arsenal fan !

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601

    HYUFD said:
    God, the SNP really got gubbed in Lanarkshire, didn't they?
    Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,883
    edited July 6
    Johnathan Pie....celebrating in song

    https://x.com/jemmaforte/status/1809495039690629463
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