"Escape from Keir's Britain with the experts' definitive emigration guide: The best places for sunshine, big houses, high wages, no crime and top-notch healthcare - plus the hotspot with NO income tax"
I'd be interested to know how many of the 121 Tory MPs could be described as One Nation and therefore likely to support Tom Tugendhat in a leadership contest. (Chief One Nation-er Damian Green lost his seat in Ashford).
A minority, according to Rory in his sleepy post-election podcast with Campbell
"Escape from Keir's Britain with the experts' definitive emigration guide: The best places for sunshine, big houses, high wages, no crime and top-notch healthcare - plus the hotspot with NO income tax"
I mean if Labour don’t achieve anything in terms of healthcare, immigration, growth, etc, then they deserve to lose next time, not sure anyone disagrees with that
"Amir, 23, a bean-seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.
He said: “We are calling him ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”
"Amir, 23, a bean-seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.
He said: “We are calling him ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”
"Amir, 23, a bean-seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.
He said: “We are calling him ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”
New MP for Ashford, defeating Damian Green as mentioned below.
"From Kerala to UK Parliament, nurse from Kottayam scripts history Sojan Joseph becomes first Keralite to get elected to the British Parliament; fought on a Labour Party ticket and defeated veteran politician"
Rwanda was not a workable policy, it was a political gimmick and quite an expensive one at that. The right wing press may be trying to put the boot in, but I suspect Starmer will not leave that flank open for long
It's certainly going to create more 'work' if its immediate abolition now leads to a flood of people crossing the channel. The sensible thing to do would have been to keep it up and until he had an alternative, and equally firm, plan in place.
My guess is SKS will now do a lot of instinctively left-wing things now he's safely in office because the bloke ain't exactly a deep thinker.
Why didn't he just downgrade it to processing in Rwanda?
Rwanda was a Johnson stunt that was ludicrous in so many ways, not least the cost.
Yes Conservative rampers on here, in the HoC and in the Daily Mail and Telegraph will be pushing it like a Westminster drug dealer. But it's bollocks.
"Amir, 23, a bean-seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.
He said: “We are calling him ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”
Well quite, and who seriously calls himself a bean-seller? "Look guys, there's a bloviating arsehat from the UK right wing press, let's take the piss".
"Amir, 23, a bean-seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.
He said: “We are calling him ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”
Well quite, and who seriously calls himself a bean-seller? "Look guys, there's a bloviating arsehat from the UK right wing press, let's take the piss".
"Amir, 23, a bean-seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.
He said: “We are calling him ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”
Rather than try ad hominem you could try addressing the issue.
This is Starmer's first mistake. And possibly a very telling one.
The guy has a history of junking his pledges as soon as he's past the winning post.
I think ditching Rwanda was one of his pledges.
What he does about the problem is the key issue.
Immigrants coming by small boats illegally are jumping the queue and therefore an abomination in the eyes of the British as you will discover if you try jumping a queue.
Rwanda was not a workable policy, it was a political gimmick and quite an expensive one at that. The right wing press may be trying to put the boot in, but I suspect Starmer will not leave that flank open for long
It's certainly going to create more 'work' if its immediate abolition now leads to a flood of people crossing the channel. The sensible thing to do would have been to keep it up and until he had an alternative, and equally firm, plan in place.
My guess is SKS will now do a lot of instinctively left-wing things now he's safely in office because the bloke ain't exactly a deep thinker.
Maggie had a plan... She defeated the most devious of devious the NMU with a plan...
Also, she passed an immigration act in her first term that quashed the problem and killed off the NF for good.
Oh, that we had a politician with her abilities today.
Sigh. Nice to see PB can't go five minutes without having a church hall level normal one over a policy that was literally in the winning party manifesto.
This is how Tory staffers were geeing themselves up during the campaign.
"Twice a day the unmistakable voice of Elvis Presley echoed around the open plan office at Tory campaign headquarters. For three minutes mid-morning and again in the late afternoon, 150 staff stopped to listen to the recording of A Little Less Conversation. Music possesses a unique power to inspire, motivate and energise a campaign according to political strategists. The campaign team chose the Elvis number from a shortlist drawn up by senior staff. While some party apparatchiks saw it as absurd, one ultra-loyal aide said: 'Most of us looked forward to hearing it. The song fired us up in the face of a never-ending sea of bad news from the pollsters.'"
"Amir, 23, a bean-seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.
He said: “We are calling him ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”
"Amir, 23, a bean-seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.
He said: “We are calling him ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”
Rather than try ad hominem you could try addressing the issue.
This is Starmer's first mistake. And possibly a very telling one.
The guy has a history of junking his pledges as soon as he's past the winning post.
I think ditching Rwanda was one of his pledges.
What he does about the problem is the key issue.
Immigrants coming by small boats illegally are jumping the queue and therefore an abomination in the eyes of the British as you will discover if you try jumping a queue.
He could have ditched it *once* his alternative was in place, to keep crossing numbers under control.
He might prove to have as shit political instincts as Sunak did.
"Amir, 23, a bean-seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.
He said: “We are calling him ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”
Well quite, and who seriously calls himself a bean-seller? "Look guys, there's a bloviating arsehat from the UK right wing press, let's take the piss".
Serious occupation that, and sometimes dangerous.
That gives a whole new meaning to the expression 'has beans.'
Anyone who suggests that we should do online voting should listen to anyone who's an expert in computer systems, 100% of them would say it's a bad idea.
And where did you learn that stat?
Online.
And you trust it?
I learned that online but I used that information to understand why it's a bad idea. There needs to be an audit trail so we can trust the results but that audit trail cannot scale so we can have anonymity. It is easy to attack the pen and paper system we have now but it gets very difficult to get into the tens of votes, it isn't much more difficult to attack an electronic voting system and you can basically make the result anything you want.
Estonia has managed online voting well enough, but they already had an electronic voting setup (voting machines in polling booths), and have a nationwide PKI that works with their smart ID cards. About half the population chooses to use it.
It seems to be fairly robust - the code is open source and is regularly audited, and provides for end-to-end verifiability of votes with the hashes made public. The counting process is also verifiable (I believe there's some controversy about whether that's entirely true with the data that's routinely made public, but the full audit log is stored and would be available if there were any doubt).
It's a good fit for Estonia, but it would be incredibly expensive to replicate it in the UK with 50x the population and doesn't even have a canonical list of citizens, let alone a robust PKI with crytpographic smartcards in regular use by the population.
It'd probably be doable, but you'd be talking about several billion to do it properly, possibly into the low teens of billions.
"Amir, 23, a bean-seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.
He said: “We are calling him ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”
As if keeping the previous Government would've made any difference to that. There is nothing that can be done to deter these people from boarding their dinghies that's violent or ruthless enough to be acceptable to the electorate of a Western democracy.
Not stopping them, not under current rules, but I think crossing numbers were far lower than they would have otherwise been.
We will shortly find out.
Well, crossings have been at record highs under the Conservatives Rwanda policy, so if its a deterrent it isn't a very good one.
Let's see what the graph looks like later in the year.
Nothing your party can do about it now, nor Farage.
On Topic, I have no idea why we don't make it easier to vote. Making the election day a bank holiday is a really good idea. Motivation will always be an issue but I don't understand why we think the middle of the working week is a great time to do a democracy.
"Amir, 23, a bean-seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.
He said: “We are calling him ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”
On Topic, I have no idea why we don't make it easier to vote. Making the election day a bank holiday is a really good idea. Motivation will always be an issue but I don't understand why we think the middle of the working week is a great time to do a democracy.
It's the day before payday. So punters less likely to be drunk and aggy.
Anyone who suggests that we should do online voting should listen to anyone who's an expert in computer systems, 100% of them would say it's a bad idea.
And where did you learn that stat?
Online.
And you trust it?
I trust Tom Scott, even though I've only seen him online.
In case anyone hasn't seen them, these are his 2 videos about why online voting is a bad idea.
Rwanda was not a workable policy, it was a political gimmick and quite an expensive one at that. The right wing press may be trying to put the boot in, but I suspect Starmer will not leave that flank open for long
It's certainly going to create more 'work' if its immediate abolition now leads to a flood of people crossing the channel. The sensible thing to do would have been to keep it up and until he had an alternative, and equally firm, plan in place.
My guess is SKS will now do a lot of instinctively left-wing things now he's safely in office because the bloke ain't exactly a deep thinker.
Why didn't he just downgrade it to processing in Rwanda?
Rwanda was a Johnson stunt that was ludicrous in so many ways, not least the cost.
Yes Conservative rampers on here, in the HoC and in the Daily Mail and Telegraph will be pushing it like a Westminster drug dealer. But it's bollocks.
And the evidence is that banging on about small boats is a massive election loser.
"Amir, 23, a bean-seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.
He said: “We are calling him ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”
Rather than try ad hominem you could try addressing the issue.
This is Starmer's first mistake. And possibly a very telling one.
The guy has a history of junking his pledges as soon as he's past the winning post.
I think ditching Rwanda was one of his pledges.
What he does about the problem is the key issue.
Immigrants coming by small boats illegally are jumping the queue and therefore an abomination in the eyes of the British as you will discover if you try jumping a queue.
He could have ditched it *once* his alternative was in place, to keep crossing numbers under control.
He might prove to have as shit political instincts as Sunak did.
If Starmer raised the dead some people would complain he was taking business away from undertakers.
"Defeated Tory candidate considering legal action over postal vote ‘delays’ Ameet Jogia lost by the smallest margin in the election – just 15 votes [in Hendon] – and could seek a judicial review
Mr Jogia told The Telegraph that he personally knows of around a dozen constituents who told him they would have voted for him but their postal votes never arrived. “There were so many others too,” he said. “In my case this would have made a difference. We were robbed”."
On Topic, I have no idea why we don't make it easier to vote. Making the election day a bank holiday is a really good idea. Motivation will always be an issue but I don't understand why we think the middle of the working week is a great time to do a democracy.
What do British electors typically get on bank holidays? D___k, 5 letters. Take your time. This is about as good an idea as the Germans retreating in 1945 and deliberately leaving stores of alcohol intact on the grounds that they would make red army soldiers kinder and more tolerant (according to Beevor).
This is how Tory staffers were geeing themselves up during the campaign.
"Twice a day the unmistakable voice of Elvis Presley echoed around the open plan office at Tory campaign headquarters. For three minutes mid-morning and again in the late afternoon, 150 staff stopped to listen to the recording of A Little Less Conversation. Music possesses a unique power to inspire, motivate and energise a campaign according to political strategists. The campaign team chose the Elvis number from a shortlist drawn up by senior staff. While some party apparatchiks saw it as absurd, one ultra-loyal aide said: 'Most of us looked forward to hearing it. The song fired us up in the face of a never-ending sea of bad news from the pollsters.'"
"Defeated Tory candidate considering legal action over postal vote ‘delays’ Ameet Jogia lost by the smallest margin in the election – just 15 votes [in Hendon] – and could seek a judicial review"
"Amir, 23, a bean-seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.
He said: “We are calling him ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”
Rather than try ad hominem you could try addressing the issue.
This is Starmer's first mistake. And possibly a very telling one.
The guy has a history of junking his pledges as soon as he's past the winning post.
I think ditching Rwanda was one of his pledges.
What he does about the problem is the key issue.
Immigrants coming by small boats illegally are jumping the queue and therefore an abomination in the eyes of the British as you will discover if you try jumping a queue.
He could have ditched it *once* his alternative was in place, to keep crossing numbers under control.
He might prove to have as shit political instincts as Sunak did.
If Starmer raised the dead some people would complain he was taking business away from undertakers.
"Escape from Keir's Britain with the experts' definitive emigration guide: The best places for sunshine, big houses, high wages, no crime and top-notch healthcare - plus the hotspot with NO income tax"
"Amir, 23, a bean-seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.
He said: “We are calling him ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”
Rather than try ad hominem you could try addressing the issue.
This is Starmer's first mistake. And possibly a very telling one.
The guy has a history of junking his pledges as soon as he's past the winning post.
I think ditching Rwanda was one of his pledges.
What he does about the problem is the key issue.
Immigrants coming by small boats illegally are jumping the queue and therefore an abomination in the eyes of the British as you will discover if you try jumping a queue.
He could have ditched it *once* his alternative was in place, to keep crossing numbers under control.
He might prove to have as shit political instincts as Sunak did.
I very much doubt had Sunak been re-elected you would have seen any flights in July or August. If the legal issues were resolved by autumn which I doubt, you would have seen the one flight and then the whole sorry mess would have been brushed under the carpet.
I see the previous spoutings of the newly elected independents are being analysed by the press and they seem a tad Paisleyite, and not just the NI one.
@PedestrianRock deserves a very honourable mention for pointing out the value on Refuk just before the Faragasm kicked off in earnest.
@AlsoLei - this was very kind, thank you - hope some of you made some good money off of it! I was heavily on Reform 3-4, 5-6 seats and '7 or more' - and managed to trade out the latter after the exit poll in favour of the previous two, before the South Basildon and East Thurrock recount. A very nice payday and hope others were able to do well!
"Amir, 23, a bean-seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.
He said: “We are calling him ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”
Rather than try ad hominem you could try addressing the issue.
This is Starmer's first mistake. And possibly a very telling one.
The guy has a history of junking his pledges as soon as he's past the winning post.
I think ditching Rwanda was one of his pledges.
What he does about the problem is the key issue.
Immigrants coming by small boats illegally are jumping the queue and therefore an abomination in the eyes of the British as you will discover if you try jumping a queue.
He could have ditched it *once* his alternative was in place, to keep crossing numbers under control.
He might prove to have as shit political instincts as Sunak did.
If Starmer raised the dead some people would complain he was taking business away from undertakers.
It will take morons like you about 3 years to accept that he's incapable of doing anything but walking on water.
To the rest of us, with braincells, we will be pointing out his errors and making criticism as soon as it's warranted in our role as opposition. Because that's how leaders are held to account.
"Amir, 23, a bean-seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.
He said: “We are calling him ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”
Rather than try ad hominem you could try addressing the issue.
This is Starmer's first mistake. And possibly a very telling one.
The guy has a history of junking his pledges as soon as he's past the winning post.
I think ditching Rwanda was one of his pledges.
What he does about the problem is the key issue.
Immigrants coming by small boats illegally are jumping the queue and therefore an abomination in the eyes of the British as you will discover if you try jumping a queue.
He could have ditched it *once* his alternative was in place, to keep crossing numbers under control.
He might prove to have as shit political instincts as Sunak did.
That's possible.
I think they might be trying something else: saying what they are going to do, doing it, and then communicating that they have done it.
It may have short-term negative consequences, but I think it is the only way to build up trust. And the impact is minimal to start with.
ETA: I'm not saying they won't make a mess of it though.
I posted this 19 minutes before voting started on Thursday morning on the VoteUK forum on their prediction competition page. Waiting to see who won the competition since the organiser must have been waiting for the final result in Inverness.
"Con 127 Lab 407 SNP 18 LD 70 PC 3 Green 3 Reform 3 Workers Party 0 SDP 0 Others 0"
I posted this 19 minutes before voting started on Thursday morning on the VoteUK forum on their prediction competition page. Waiting to see who won the competition since the organiser must have been waiting for the final result in Inverness.
"Con 127 Lab 407 SNP 18 LD 70 PC 3 Green 3 Reform 3 Workers Party 0 SDP 0 Others 0"
"Amir, 23, a bean-seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.
He said: “We are calling him ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”
Rather than try ad hominem you could try addressing the issue.
This is Starmer's first mistake. And possibly a very telling one.
The guy has a history of junking his pledges as soon as he's past the winning post.
I think ditching Rwanda was one of his pledges.
What he does about the problem is the key issue.
Immigrants coming by small boats illegally are jumping the queue and therefore an abomination in the eyes of the British as you will discover if you try jumping a queue.
He could have ditched it *once* his alternative was in place, to keep crossing numbers under control.
He might prove to have as shit political instincts as Sunak did.
If Starmer raised the dead some people would complain he was taking business away from undertakers.
It will take morons like you about 3 years to accept that he's incapable of doing anything but walking on water.
To the rest of us, with braincells, we will be pointing out his errors and making criticism as soon as it's warranted in our role as opposition. Because that's how leaders are held to account.
And he's done a real silly one. On Day One.
No he hasn't.
Are you going to be this tense for the next five years?
"Amir, 23, a bean-seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.
He said: “We are calling him ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”
"Amir, 23, a bean-seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.
He said: “We are calling him ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”
Ha, that's quite funny - my flat's been being blasted all afternoon by the festival happening in Finsbury Park, but the biggest noise from the crowd has been a couple of huge cheers in the past few mins from people watching the Euros. Must be pretty disheartening for the bands to realise that most of the audience are glued to their phones to follow the match...
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"French election: How does it work and what happens if nobody wins an absolute majority
By Reuters"
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/french-election-run-off-how-does-it-work-what-look-out-2024-07-05/
Rather than try ad hominem you could try addressing the issue.
This is Starmer's first mistake. And possibly a very telling one.
The guy has a history of junking his pledges as soon as he's past the winning post.
"From Kerala to UK Parliament, nurse from Kottayam scripts history
Sojan Joseph becomes first Keralite to get elected to the British Parliament; fought on a Labour Party ticket and defeated veteran politician"
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/kerala-uk-parliament-nurse-kottayam-scripts-history-9435340/
Yes Conservative rampers on here, in the HoC and in the Daily Mail and Telegraph will be pushing it like a Westminster drug dealer. But it's bollocks.
What he does about the problem is the key issue.
Immigrants coming by small boats illegally are jumping the queue and therefore an abomination in the eyes of the British as you will discover if you try jumping a queue.
Oh, that we had a politician with her abilities today.
"Twice a day the unmistakable voice of Elvis Presley echoed around the open plan office at Tory campaign headquarters. For three minutes mid-morning and again in the late afternoon, 150 staff stopped to listen to the recording of A Little Less Conversation. Music possesses a unique power to inspire, motivate and energise a campaign according to political strategists. The campaign team chose the Elvis number from a shortlist drawn up by senior staff. While some party apparatchiks saw it as absurd, one ultra-loyal aide said: 'Most of us looked forward to hearing it. The song fired us up in the face of a never-ending sea of bad news from the pollsters.'"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13605549/why-rishi-sunak-called-july-general-election.html
Quoting the election results is going to be totally fucking tedious if that's your response to every political issue at debate over the next 5 years.
He might prove to have as shit political instincts as Sunak did.
It seems to be fairly robust - the code is open source and is regularly audited, and provides for end-to-end verifiability of votes with the hashes made public. The counting process is also verifiable (I believe there's some controversy about whether that's entirely true with the data that's routinely made public, but the full audit log is stored and would be available if there were any doubt).
It's a good fit for Estonia, but it would be incredibly expensive to replicate it in the UK with 50x the population and doesn't even have a canonical list of citizens, let alone a robust PKI with crytpographic smartcards in regular use by the population.
It'd probably be doable, but you'd be talking about several billion to do it properly, possibly into the low teens of billions.
Let's see what the graph looks like later in the year.
Nothing your party can do about it now, nor Farage.
So punters less likely to be drunk and aggy.
In case anyone hasn't seen them, these are his 2 videos about why online voting is a bad idea.
Original video from Dec 2014:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI
Later video from Dec 2019:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkH2r-sNjQs
"Defeated Tory candidate considering legal action over postal vote ‘delays’
Ameet Jogia lost by the smallest margin in the election – just 15 votes [in Hendon] – and could seek a judicial review
Mr Jogia told The Telegraph that he personally knows of around a dozen constituents who told him they would have voted for him but their postal votes never arrived. “There were so many others too,” he said. “In my case this would have made a difference. We were robbed”."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/06/election-postal-vote-tory-candidate-defeated/
But I hope he’s not about to pounce on Saka
My picture quota for today. I'll now retire the pussycat until next time.
. @AlsoLei - this was very kind, thank you - hope some of you made some good money off of it! I was heavily on Reform 3-4, 5-6 seats and '7 or more' - and managed to trade out the latter after the exit poll in favour of the previous two, before the South Basildon and East Thurrock recount. A very nice payday and hope others were able to do well!
To the rest of us, with braincells, we will be pointing out his errors and making criticism as soon as it's warranted in our role as opposition. Because that's how leaders are held to account.
And he's done a real silly one. On Day One.
I think they might be trying something else: saying what they are going to do, doing it, and then communicating that they have done it.
It may have short-term negative consequences, but I think it is the only way to build up trust. And the impact is minimal to start with.
ETA: I'm not saying they won't make a mess of it though.
"Con 127
Lab 407
SNP 18
LD 70
PC 3
Green 3
Reform 3
Workers Party 0
SDP 0
Others 0"
https://vote-2012.proboards.com/post/1517293/thread
The US does have electronic voting of course but not online
Are you going to be this tense for the next five years?
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Is it over yet? Can we go back to politics?