Back to more tedious matters and while Norstat, BMG and Redfield & Wilton are all in the same vicinity, More In Common remains higher on Conservative VI and lower on Reform.
Do they prompt for Reform? I know there's a post-election shindig organised by the BPC - it will be fascinating to see how the various polling organsiations approached the election and the methodologies adopted.
The only reliable thing about the (men's) England team is that they find a variety of interesting ways to exit tournaments.
If they now contrive to finish second in the group rather than first, they should get Germany in the next round. That'll be fun, in a bent over and roughly abused with a cactus kind of fashion.
Yikes I can’t recall if I posted any image this morning. Please forgive if I did @TSE . This one from that Telegraph article is amazing.
The Conservatives could be in big trouble over this. The last straw?
Six thousand whole pounds? Woo, I bet the bookies are crapping themselves.
/S
BFX, so the "bookies" could be part of this very conversation
It's the pettiness which is the point. Like Johnson throwing everything away not for vintage clicquot and Colombian flake, but lukewarm sauv blanc from Tesco express.
Finally the BBC panel turns on Southgate. After about a decade
It's his teams, his coaching, his sit-back-on-the lead shit
I have absolutely no idea why we stick with Southgate. Tactically inept. Boring.
Just awful
Because he's a "fundamentally decent guy" and he used to wear a waistcoat and taking the knee and all that shite
I mean, he probably is a lovely chap. He also earns several trillion quid. As soon as they re-appointed him after the World Cup I knew we had no chance at the euros, despite having Bellingham and Kane!!!!
Fack it. I'm off to the Thames for a riverside pint in the lovely sun
The Knee is the biggest black mark against Southgate.
Jeez.
During the coming long, long, wilderness years reflect on how tone deaf you became
Hard to see Rishi getting a black swan lift from the footie....
Well, England have basically qualified for the next round, then there's 1 knockout game before the election.
Like so much in this election (ie Cons spraying rabbits from hats while Lab plays it straight), I'm not sure any normal rules about incumbency apply this time. SKS is already PM in waiting, and benefits (or not) as much as the incumbent. In short, I don't think the footy matters on July 4th.
🆕Our latest @moreincommon_ voting intention poll shows a small drop in the Labour vote, now leading the Conservatives by 14. 🔵 CON 25% (-) 🔴 LAB 39% (-2) 🟠 LIB DEM 11% (-) 🟣 REF UK 14% (-) 🟢 GRN 5% (-) 🟡 SNP 3%(+1) Dates 17-19/6, N=2035 Tables: moreincommon.org.uk/our-work/votin… More in Common going against the tide https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1803835335928852843?s=19
Finally the BBC panel turns on Southgate. After about a decade
It's his teams, his coaching, his sit-back-on-the lead shit
I have absolutely no idea why we stick with Southgate. Tactically inept. Boring.
Just awful
Because he's a "fundamentally decent guy" and he used to wear a waistcoat and taking the knee and all that shite
I mean, he probably is a lovely chap. He also earns several trillion quid. As soon as they re-appointed him after the World Cup I knew we had no chance at the euros, despite having Bellingham and Kane!!!!
Fack it. I'm off to the Thames for a riverside pint in the lovely sun
The Knee is the biggest black mark against Southgate.
Disgrace he got sucked into that cultural Marxism.
Bit obsessed with that, Casino.
It's like tattooing, "I buy into intersectionality and cultural relativism" onto your forehead.
Southgate clearly doesn't think it is, even though everyone else knows it is, so that also tells you he's just not very bright.
That was one of the dullest England performances ever. Need to make changes against the Slovenes. The midfield is malfunctioning, Kane is static, and there's no width on the left.
Finally the BBC panel turns on Southgate. After about a decade
It's his teams, his coaching, his sit-back-on-the lead shit
I have absolutely no idea why we stick with Southgate. Tactically inept. Boring.
Just awful
Because he's a "fundamentally decent guy" and he used to wear a waistcoat and taking the knee and all that shite
I mean, he probably is a lovely chap. He also earns several trillion quid. As soon as they re-appointed him after the World Cup I knew we had no chance at the euros, despite having Bellingham and Kane!!!!
Fack it. I'm off to the Thames for a riverside pint in the lovely sun
The Knee is the biggest black mark against Southgate.
Disgrace he got sucked into that cultural Marxism.
Bit obsessed with that, Casino.
It's like tattooing, "I buy into intersectionality and cultural relativism" onto your forehead.
Southgate clearly doesn't think it is, even though everyone else knows it is, so that also tells you he's just not very bright.
Yes. That’s the main problem with Southgate
He’s quite dumb. The Wokeness is annoying but whatever. He means well
But the intellectual mediocrity is killing a super talented squad and he lacks the charisma too
Soccer buffs, do we now get 10 mins either way and England then lose on penalties?
I like that bit
Unlikely. They don't inspire much confidence that they're capable of getting as far as full-time without losing in the knockout stage. And heavily, against reasonably strong opposition.
Or maybe I should say I PERSONALLY find it a little boring, now (tho this election is fun)
You have one life, it's a wonderful world out there, I am paid to explore it, I love it
For sure, travel usually broadens the mind.
Why you are so immune, remains a mystery.
Maybe because wandering around an airport looking for some driver on minimum wage holding up a piece of cardboard with “Sean Twat” written on it isn’t really proper travel.
Fact remains, most PB’ers can see that your desire to become a global nomad and escape your homeland has very little to do with our weather.
Yes, he can be a bit of a nob at times: he can bore for Britain and he's massively self-obsessed. Sometimes, he also gets a bit personal, and it's not necessary. But, when not, or shitting his pants, he's actually quite a shrewd and insightful observer of people and trends, and quite funny to boot. And he can hold a debate.
Asset to the site.
We're in agreement on this, as you are an asset, even if we like to piss on each other's chips! People moaning about other posters and wanting them sanctioned and banned or telling them to shut up. They're the feckers who want banning!
That’s fine but this site is not what it was under Mike. Period.
The kind of personal abuse meted out by Leon in particular is disgusting and he wouldn’t have tolerated it.
He was, genuinely, a genial and gentlemanly host and expected others to be likewise.
pb.com will continue but with fewer and fewer contributors, and those who remain will come from an ever decreasing demographic circle. You will shout and rant and rage, mostly at the world but also occasionally at one another. You (pl) will be irrelevant.
Yikes I can’t recall if I posted any image this morning. Please forgive if I did @TSE . This one from that Telegraph article is amazing.
The Conservatives could be in big trouble over this. The last straw?
Six thousand whole pounds? Woo, I bet the bookies are crapping themselves.
/S
BFX, so the "bookies" could be part of this very conversation
It's the pettiness which is the point. Like Johnson throwing everything away not for vintage clicquot and Colombian flake, but lukewarm sauv blanc from Tesco express.
Betfair Exchange (BFX), so it's an exchange market not fixed-odds. That means the bet was placed with a third party, not BFX who just held the money. There's nothing in BFXs terms that says "inside info makes the bet null" (at least I don't think there is!). Once again, there is no crime here.
If only England had taken the knee for nineteen hours a day for six years straight they could have got more corners
You're worse than Casino. Let it go.
Aaaaand no
One of the reasons the useless Southgate is still in place is because of idiot lefty politics
The reason Southgate has been in charge for so long is that he's been England's most successful manager since 1966.
I don't think England have played that well in their first two games, but the relentless negativity around English football, and around Southgate specifically when, just as with Bazball, he's made watching England something you can do with much less fear of embarrassment, is really baffling. Chill out.
It's a far cry from the days when the succession of really crap managers were in charge of England.
Yikes I can’t recall if I posted any image this morning. Please forgive if I did @TSE . This one from that Telegraph article is amazing.
The Conservatives could be in big trouble over this. The last straw?
Six thousand whole pounds? Woo, I bet the bookies are crapping themselves.
/S
BFX, so the "bookies" could be part of this very conversation
It's the pettiness which is the point. Like Johnson throwing everything away not for vintage clicquot and Colombian flake, but lukewarm sauv blanc from Tesco express.
Betfair Exchange (BFX), so it's an exchange market not fixed-odds. That means the bet was placed with a third party, not BFX who just held the money. There's nothing in BFXs terms that says "inside info makes the bet null" (at least I don't think there is!). Once again, there is no crime here.
Finally the BBC panel turns on Southgate. After about a decade
It's his teams, his coaching, his sit-back-on-the lead shit
I have absolutely no idea why we stick with Southgate. Tactically inept. Boring.
Just awful
Because he's a "fundamentally decent guy" and he used to wear a waistcoat and taking the knee and all that shite
I mean, he probably is a lovely chap. He also earns several trillion quid. As soon as they re-appointed him after the World Cup I knew we had no chance at the euros, despite having Bellingham and Kane!!!!
Fack it. I'm off to the Thames for a riverside pint in the lovely sun
The Knee is the biggest black mark against Southgate.
Disgrace he got sucked into that cultural Marxism.
Bit obsessed with that, Casino.
It's like tattooing, "I buy into intersectionality and cultural relativism" onto your forehead.
Southgate clearly doesn't think it is, even though everyone else knows it is, so that also tells you he's just not very bright.
Finally the BBC panel turns on Southgate. After about a decade
It's his teams, his coaching, his sit-back-on-the lead shit
I have absolutely no idea why we stick with Southgate. Tactically inept. Boring.
Just awful
Because he's a "fundamentally decent guy" and he used to wear a waistcoat and taking the knee and all that shite
I mean, he probably is a lovely chap. He also earns several trillion quid. As soon as they re-appointed him after the World Cup I knew we had no chance at the euros, despite having Bellingham and Kane!!!!
Fack it. I'm off to the Thames for a riverside pint in the lovely sun
The Knee is the biggest black mark against Southgate.
Jeez.
During the coming long, long, wilderness years reflect on how tone deaf you became
Yes, but you fucking love Woke so we just ignore what you say on the subject.
Oh, my God, I just realised we're about to elect a weak-willed, lily-livered, Woke fool of a Prime Minister who TOOK THE KNEE.
Seriously. He TOOK THE KNEE.
It's a disgrace. An absolute disgrace.
The Conservative Party has been (a) mostly useless in office and (b) supports an electoral system which its advocates support in large part because it had a tendency to produce single party majorities.
If the result of all that is, when people grow fed up with rubbish leadership, they end up turning to a mediocre alternative because the system makes it so bloody hard for anything other than Tweedledum or Tweedledummer to thrive, then tough.
🆕Our latest @moreincommon_ voting intention poll shows a small drop in the Labour vote, now leading the Conservatives by 14. 🔵 CON 25% (-) 🔴 LAB 39% (-2) 🟠 LIB DEM 11% (-) 🟣 REF UK 14% (-) 🟢 GRN 5% (-) 🟡 SNP 3%(+1) Dates 17-19/6, N=2035 Tables: moreincommon.org.uk/our-work/votin… More in Common going against the tide https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1803835335928852843?s=19
Another static MOE poll.
Are you going to keep this "MOE" nothing to see here up for another fortnight?
Lowest Lab lead for 8 months in 2 successive days
Lab lead dropping the more people see of SKS
Whats your explanation for the massive falls for LAB from mid 40s to under 40?
Or maybe I should say I PERSONALLY find it a little boring, now (tho this election is fun)
You have one life, it's a wonderful world out there, I am paid to explore it, I love it
For sure, travel usually broadens the mind.
Why you are so immune, remains a mystery.
Maybe because wandering around an airport looking for some driver on minimum wage holding up a piece of cardboard with “Sean Twat” written on it isn’t really proper travel.
Fact remains, most PB’ers can see that your desire to become a global nomad and escape your homeland has very little to do with our weather.
Yes, he can be a bit of a nob at times: he can bore for Britain and he's massively self-obsessed. Sometimes, he also gets a bit personal, and it's not necessary. But, when not, or shitting his pants, he's actually quite a shrewd and insightful observer of people and trends, and quite funny to boot. And he can hold a debate.
Asset to the site.
We're in agreement on this, as you are an asset, even if we like to piss on each other's chips! People moaning about other posters and wanting them sanctioned and banned or telling them to shut up. They're the feckers who want banning!
That’s fine but this site is not what it was under Mike. Period.
The kind of personal abuse meted out by Leon in particular is disgusting and he wouldn’t have tolerated it.
He was, genuinely, a genial and gentlemanly host and expected others to be likewise.
pb.com will continue but with fewer and fewer contributors, and those who remain will come from an ever decreasing demographic circle. You will shout and rant and rage, mostly at the world but also occasionally at one another. You (pl) will be irrelevant.
This site has fallen, sadly.
Who the hell do you think you are? Do you have any concept of how that reads? What an entitled prick you are. This sites waxes and wains. The contributors change. That’s part of the charm.
🆕Our latest @moreincommon_ voting intention poll shows a small drop in the Labour vote, now leading the Conservatives by 14. 🔵 CON 25% (-) 🔴 LAB 39% (-2) 🟠 LIB DEM 11% (-) 🟣 REF UK 14% (-) 🟢 GRN 5% (-) 🟡 SNP 3%(+1) Dates 17-19/6, N=2035 Tables: moreincommon.org.uk/our-work/votin… More in Common going against the tide https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1803835335928852843?s=19
Another static MOE poll.
Are you going to keep this "MOE" nothing to see here up for another fortnight?
Lowest Lab lead for 8 months in 2 successive days
Lab lead dropping the more people see of SKS
Whats your explanation for the massive falls for LAB from mid 40s to under 40?
If Lab keeps dropping 1-2% (MOE) a day between now and general election they'll end up with a similar vote share to Con.
"NEW polling suggests the Conservatives could lose up to 300 seats, including these long-standing enclaves of delusional loathing:
"Pantalon-le-Rouge, Oxfordshire
"This cradle of the rich, the wealthy and those who look down on them as mere peasants has been solidly Tory since 1865. But, irked by the town centre fountain being sold to China and turned into an open-air sewage reprocessing facility, the locals have turned against their local MP who last visited them in 2020, for a lockdown photoshoot."
Yikes I can’t recall if I posted any image this morning. Please forgive if I did @TSE . This one from that Telegraph article is amazing.
The Conservatives could be in big trouble over this. The last straw?
Six thousand whole pounds? Woo, I bet the bookies are crapping themselves.
/S
BFX, so the "bookies" could be part of this very conversation
It's the pettiness which is the point. Like Johnson throwing everything away not for vintage clicquot and Colombian flake, but lukewarm sauv blanc from Tesco express.
Betfair Exchange (BFX), so it's an exchange market not fixed-odds. That means the bet was placed with a third party, not BFX who just held the money. There's nothing in BFXs terms that says "inside info makes the bet null" (at least I don't think there is!). Once again, there is no crime here.
Um, no. Yes it's an exchange but it's (one of a range of) fixed odds that you bet at. Not like a tote.
Whether it's dishonest and an offence is a law exam kinda question. Not straightforward.
🆕Our latest @moreincommon_ voting intention poll shows a small drop in the Labour vote, now leading the Conservatives by 14. 🔵 CON 25% (-) 🔴 LAB 39% (-2) 🟠 LIB DEM 11% (-) 🟣 REF UK 14% (-) 🟢 GRN 5% (-) 🟡 SNP 3%(+1) Dates 17-19/6, N=2035 Tables: moreincommon.org.uk/our-work/votin… More in Common going against the tide https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1803835335928852843?s=19
Another static MOE poll.
Are you going to keep this "MOE" nothing to see here up for another fortnight?
Lowest Lab lead for 8 months in 2 successive days
Lab lead dropping the more people see of SKS
Whats your explanation for the massive falls for LAB from mid 40s to under 40?
Lowest Lab score from More in Common since May 2023
Or maybe I should say I PERSONALLY find it a little boring, now (tho this election is fun)
You have one life, it's a wonderful world out there, I am paid to explore it, I love it
For sure, travel usually broadens the mind.
Why you are so immune, remains a mystery.
Maybe because wandering around an airport looking for some driver on minimum wage holding up a piece of cardboard with “Sean Twat” written on it isn’t really proper travel.
Fact remains, most PB’ers can see that your desire to become a global nomad and escape your homeland has very little to do with our weather.
Yes, he can be a bit of a nob at times: he can bore for Britain and he's massively self-obsessed. Sometimes, he also gets a bit personal, and it's not necessary. But, when not, or shitting his pants, he's actually quite a shrewd and insightful observer of people and trends, and quite funny to boot. And he can hold a debate.
Asset to the site.
We're in agreement on this, as you are an asset, even if we like to piss on each other's chips! People moaning about other posters and wanting them sanctioned and banned or telling them to shut up. They're the feckers who want banning!
That’s fine but this site is not what it was under Mike. Period.
The kind of personal abuse meted out by Leon in particular is disgusting and he wouldn’t have tolerated it.
He was, genuinely, a genial and gentlemanly host and expected others to be likewise.
pb.com will continue but with fewer and fewer contributors, and those who remain will come from an ever decreasing demographic circle. You will shout and rant and rage, mostly at the world but also occasionally at one another. You (pl) will be irrelevant.
This site has fallen, sadly.
It’s been feisty since 2007 when I was in my first incarnation here at the end of the Labour glory years. People like Tim would dish it out beautifully. It’s largely good fun, some of us go off the reservation occasionally and some stability resumes during milder times.
We have and election where some of us are licking our wounds, mourning, annoyed, angry and reacting in various ways and it happened in 2010 with Labour posters. It’s all part of PB’s rich pageant.
I have very little doubt that if any of us on here are in a bar together everyone would be human, funny, pleasant and decent. We throw barbs because we are all protected by being able to just log out and live real life.
Enjoy the rumble, the occasional unpleasantness and the insight because often the insight is best from those saying what you don’t like or don’t want to hear.
You are on the upside at the moment, you are on the winning side and you feel that you can take a higher moral position. Others are having their world view savaged by the press, their friends, their colleagues and on here.
Some are provocateurs on both sides.
I personally come here for the political chat but I stay for the snark.
It’s all good fun but the most interesting varied place on the web for politics - there is guardian comment is free for those who just want everyone to agree.
🆕Our latest @moreincommon_ voting intention poll shows a small drop in the Labour vote, now leading the Conservatives by 14. 🔵 CON 25% (-) 🔴 LAB 39% (-2) 🟠 LIB DEM 11% (-) 🟣 REF UK 14% (-) 🟢 GRN 5% (-) 🟡 SNP 3%(+1) Dates 17-19/6, N=2035 Tables: moreincommon.org.uk/our-work/votin… More in Common going against the tide https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1803835335928852843?s=19
Another static MOE poll.
Are you going to keep this "MOE" nothing to see here up for another fortnight?
Lowest Lab lead for 8 months in 2 successive days
Lab lead dropping the more people see of SKS
Whats your explanation for the massive falls for LAB from mid 40s to under 40?
The explanation? Tactical voting for the Lib Dems. It has nothing to do with SKS who is likely to win on his first attempt. Corbyn took two attempts to win fuck all. Fuck All. You hear that? Fuck All. Whatever Labour’s share in 2017, Theresa May managed to get more. In 2019 he was spanked by Boris Fucking Johnson. He lost. Twice. Get the fuck over it.
The independent has updated their Techne poll. Don't have exact numbers or link sorry.
Weekly voting poll shows Labour down slightly to 42%. Tories stay at a low of 19%, with Reform just three points behind. (Techne)
That would be Labour down one (don't get @bigjohnowls too excited), Conservatives and Reform unchanged and herds nicely with most of the pollsters (except More In Common).
Oh, my God, I just realised we're about to elect a weak-willed, lily-livered, Woke fool of a Prime Minister who TOOK THE KNEE.
Seriously. He TOOK THE KNEE.
It's a disgrace. An absolute disgrace.
Why do you think Reform are doing so well?
All the things for which conservatives are critising Sunak - taxes, immigration, public sector wokery - are all about to get appreciably worse under Starmer.
Oh, my God, I just realised we're about to elect a weak-willed, lily-livered, Woke fool of a Prime Minister who TOOK THE KNEE.
Seriously. He TOOK THE KNEE.
It's a disgrace. An absolute disgrace.
Why do you think Reform are doing so well?
All the things for which conservatives are critising Sunak - taxes, immigration, public sector wokery - are all about to get appreciably worse under Starmer.
🆕Our latest @moreincommon_ voting intention poll shows a small drop in the Labour vote, now leading the Conservatives by 14. 🔵 CON 25% (-) 🔴 LAB 39% (-2) 🟠 LIB DEM 11% (-) 🟣 REF UK 14% (-) 🟢 GRN 5% (-) 🟡 SNP 3%(+1) Dates 17-19/6, N=2035 Tables: moreincommon.org.uk/our-work/votin… More in Common going against the tide https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1803835335928852843?s=19
Another static MOE poll.
Are you going to keep this "MOE" nothing to see here up for another fortnight?
Lowest Lab lead for 8 months in 2 successive days
Lab lead dropping the more people see of SKS
Whats your explanation for the massive falls for LAB from mid 40s to under 40?
Lowest Lab score from More in Common since May 2023
MIC had Lab at 46 less than 2 weeks ago
Still more than Corbyn achieved when leading the Labour Party to near extinction in 2019. Still better than Corbyn in 2017 in terms of lead over the Tories. WTF attracts you to serial loser Jeremy Corbyn exactly?
Oh, my God, I just realised we're about to elect a weak-willed, lily-livered, Woke fool of a Prime Minister who TOOK THE KNEE.
Seriously. He TOOK THE KNEE.
It's a disgrace. An absolute disgrace.
Why do you think Reform are doing so well?
All the things for which conservatives are critising Sunak - taxes, immigration, public sector wokery - are all about to get appreciably worse under Starmer.
Sunak never took the knee.
That’s true. He knows way more about American politics than most British politicians.
Or maybe I should say I PERSONALLY find it a little boring, now (tho this election is fun)
You have one life, it's a wonderful world out there, I am paid to explore it, I love it
For sure, travel usually broadens the mind.
Why you are so immune, remains a mystery.
Maybe because wandering around an airport looking for some driver on minimum wage holding up a piece of cardboard with “Sean Twat” written on it isn’t really proper travel.
Fact remains, most PB’ers can see that your desire to become a global nomad and escape your homeland has very little to do with our weather.
Yes, he can be a bit of a nob at times: he can bore for Britain and he's massively self-obsessed. Sometimes, he also gets a bit personal, and it's not necessary. But, when not, or shitting his pants, he's actually quite a shrewd and insightful observer of people and trends, and quite funny to boot. And he can hold a debate.
Asset to the site.
We're in agreement on this, as you are an asset, even if we like to piss on each other's chips! People moaning about other posters and wanting them sanctioned and banned or telling them to shut up. They're the feckers who want banning!
That’s fine but this site is not what it was under Mike. Period.
The kind of personal abuse meted out by Leon in particular is disgusting and he wouldn’t have tolerated it.
He was, genuinely, a genial and gentlemanly host and expected others to be likewise.
pb.com will continue but with fewer and fewer contributors, and those who remain will come from an ever decreasing demographic circle. You will shout and rant and rage, mostly at the world but also occasionally at one another. You (pl) will be irrelevant.
This site has fallen, sadly.
It’s been feisty since 2007 when I was in my first incarnation here at the end of the Labour glory years. People like Tim would dish it out beautifully. It’s largely good fun, some of us go off the reservation occasionally and some stability resumes during milder times.
We have and election where some of us are licking our wounds, mourning, annoyed, angry and reacting in various ways and it happened in 2010 with Labour posters. It’s all part of PB’s rich pageant.
I have very little doubt that if any of us on here are in a bar together everyone would be human, funny, pleasant and decent. We throw barbs because we are all protected by being able to just log out and live real life.
Enjoy the rumble, the occasional unpleasantness and the insight because often the insight is best from those saying what you don’t like or don’t want to hear.
You are on the upside at the moment, you are on the winning side and you feel that you can take a higher moral position. Others are having their world view savaged by the press, their friends, their colleagues and on here.
Some are provocateurs on both sides.
I personally come here for the political chat but I stay for the snark.
It’s all good fun but the most interesting varied place on the web for politics - there is guardian comment is free for those who just want everyone to agree.
Xx
Some of my favourite posters aren't on here now, like Plato, Rod, Socrates, Antifrank, Archbishop Cranmer.
England will never win anything under Southgate. I realised this after the Euro defeat against Italy
It has saved me much angst and sadness ever since. I don’t emotionally invest
England rugby can still wind me up
Japan on Saturday followed by two games against the all black.
A much more attacking team is being nurtured, rather than the dull kicking under recent years with Jones (and maintained into the world cup given how late the coach was changed).
Or maybe I should say I PERSONALLY find it a little boring, now (tho this election is fun)
You have one life, it's a wonderful world out there, I am paid to explore it, I love it
For sure, travel usually broadens the mind.
Why you are so immune, remains a mystery.
Maybe because wandering around an airport looking for some driver on minimum wage holding up a piece of cardboard with “Sean Twat” written on it isn’t really proper travel.
Fact remains, most PB’ers can see that your desire to become a global nomad and escape your homeland has very little to do with our weather.
Yes, he can be a bit of a nob at times: he can bore for Britain and he's massively self-obsessed. Sometimes, he also gets a bit personal, and it's not necessary. But, when not, or shitting his pants, he's actually quite a shrewd and insightful observer of people and trends, and quite funny to boot. And he can hold a debate.
Asset to the site.
We're in agreement on this, as you are an asset, even if we like to piss on each other's chips! People moaning about other posters and wanting them sanctioned and banned or telling them to shut up. They're the feckers who want banning!
That’s fine but this site is not what it was under Mike. Period.
The kind of personal abuse meted out by Leon in particular is disgusting and he wouldn’t have tolerated it.
He was, genuinely, a genial and gentlemanly host and expected others to be likewise.
pb.com will continue but with fewer and fewer contributors, and those who remain will come from an ever decreasing demographic circle. You will shout and rant and rage, mostly at the world but also occasionally at one another. You (pl) will be irrelevant.
This site has fallen, sadly.
It’s been feisty since 2007 when I was in my first incarnation here at the end of the Labour glory years. People like Tim would dish it out beautifully. It’s largely good fun, some of us go off the reservation occasionally and some stability resumes during milder times.
We have and election where some of us are licking our wounds, mourning, annoyed, angry and reacting in various ways and it happened in 2010 with Labour posters. It’s all part of PB’s rich pageant.
I have very little doubt that if any of us on here are in a bar together everyone would be human, funny, pleasant and decent. We throw barbs because we are all protected by being able to just log out and live real life.
Enjoy the rumble, the occasional unpleasantness and the insight because often the insight is best from those saying what you don’t like or don’t want to hear.
You are on the upside at the moment, you are on the winning side and you feel that you can take a higher moral position. Others are having their world view savaged by the press, their friends, their colleagues and on here.
Some are provocateurs on both sides.
I personally come here for the political chat but I stay for the snark.
It’s all good fun but the most interesting varied place on the web for politics - there is guardian comment is free for those who just want everyone to agree.
Xx
Some of my favourite posters aren't on here now, like Plato, Rod, Socrates, Antifrank, Archbishop Cranmer.
Plato passed, of course
One of the others, who I won't dox, is on the site under a new name.
If only England had taken the knee for nineteen hours a day for six years straight they could have got more corners
You're worse than Casino. Let it go.
Aaaaand no
One of the reasons the useless Southgate is still in place is because of idiot lefty politics
The reason Southgate has been in charge for so long is that he's been England's most successful manager since 1966.
I don't think England have played that well in their first two games, but the relentless negativity around English football, and around Southgate specifically when, just as with Bazball, he's made watching England something you can do with much less fear of embarrassment, is really baffling. Chill out.
It's a far cry from the days when the succession of really crap managers were in charge of England.
Eh? England are no less crap than they have been at any point since the Venables era. Occasionally Southgate-England have managed to string a few wins together, but normally by dint of playing countries the size of Essex.
Or maybe I should say I PERSONALLY find it a little boring, now (tho this election is fun)
You have one life, it's a wonderful world out there, I am paid to explore it, I love it
For sure, travel usually broadens the mind.
Why you are so immune, remains a mystery.
Maybe because wandering around an airport looking for some driver on minimum wage holding up a piece of cardboard with “Sean Twat” written on it isn’t really proper travel.
Fact remains, most PB’ers can see that your desire to become a global nomad and escape your homeland has very little to do with our weather.
Yes, he can be a bit of a nob at times: he can bore for Britain and he's massively self-obsessed. Sometimes, he also gets a bit personal, and it's not necessary. But, when not, or shitting his pants, he's actually quite a shrewd and insightful observer of people and trends, and quite funny to boot. And he can hold a debate.
Asset to the site.
We're in agreement on this, as you are an asset, even if we like to piss on each other's chips! People moaning about other posters and wanting them sanctioned and banned or telling them to shut up. They're the feckers who want banning!
That’s fine but this site is not what it was under Mike. Period.
The kind of personal abuse meted out by Leon in particular is disgusting and he wouldn’t have tolerated it.
He was, genuinely, a genial and gentlemanly host and expected others to be likewise.
pb.com will continue but with fewer and fewer contributors, and those who remain will come from an ever decreasing demographic circle. You will shout and rant and rage, mostly at the world but also occasionally at one another. You (pl) will be irrelevant.
This site has fallen, sadly.
Everyone looks back at the past through a rose-tint, but there was no golden age. There was a time, however, when things on here sometimes got genuinely nasty from 2016 to 2019,
Things are much better now than they were then (even I got so frustrated I lost my temper on occasion)
🆕Our latest @moreincommon_ voting intention poll shows a small drop in the Labour vote, now leading the Conservatives by 14. 🔵 CON 25% (-) 🔴 LAB 39% (-2) 🟠 LIB DEM 11% (-) 🟣 REF UK 14% (-) 🟢 GRN 5% (-) 🟡 SNP 3%(+1) Dates 17-19/6, N=2035 Tables: moreincommon.org.uk/our-work/votin… More in Common going against the tide https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1803835335928852843?s=19
Another static MOE poll.
Are you going to keep this "MOE" nothing to see here up for another fortnight?
Lowest Lab lead for 8 months in 2 successive days
Lab lead dropping the more people see of SKS
Whats your explanation for the massive falls for LAB from mid 40s to under 40?
The explanation? Tactical voting for the Lib Dems. It has nothing to do with SKS who is likely to win on his first attempt. Corbyn took two attempts to win fuck all. Fuck All. You hear that? Fuck All. Whatever Labour’s share in 2017, Theresa May managed to get more. In 2019 he was sparked by Boris Fucking Johnson. He lost. Twice. Get the fuck over it.
Absolutely spot on, all Corbyn ever did was energise the Tory vote, and got his arse handed to him on a plate, by Boris Fucking Johnson, who would be the worst prime minister in modern times, until Truss came along
The independent has updated their Techne poll. Don't have exact numbers or link sorry.
Weekly voting poll shows Labour down slightly to 42%. Tories stay at a low of 19%, with Reform just three points behind. (Techne)
That would be Labour down one (don't get @bigjohnowls too excited), Conservatives and Reform unchanged and herds nicely with most of the pollsters (except More In Common).
Or maybe I should say I PERSONALLY find it a little boring, now (tho this election is fun)
You have one life, it's a wonderful world out there, I am paid to explore it, I love it
For sure, travel usually broadens the mind.
Why you are so immune, remains a mystery.
Maybe because wandering around an airport looking for some driver on minimum wage holding up a piece of cardboard with “Sean Twat” written on it isn’t really proper travel.
Fact remains, most PB’ers can see that your desire to become a global nomad and escape your homeland has very little to do with our weather.
Yes, he can be a bit of a nob at times: he can bore for Britain and he's massively self-obsessed. Sometimes, he also gets a bit personal, and it's not necessary. But, when not, or shitting his pants, he's actually quite a shrewd and insightful observer of people and trends, and quite funny to boot. And he can hold a debate.
Asset to the site.
We're in agreement on this, as you are an asset, even if we like to piss on each other's chips! People moaning about other posters and wanting them sanctioned and banned or telling them to shut up. They're the feckers who want banning!
That’s fine but this site is not what it was under Mike. Period.
The kind of personal abuse meted out by Leon in particular is disgusting and he wouldn’t have tolerated it.
He was, genuinely, a genial and gentlemanly host and expected others to be likewise.
pb.com will continue but with fewer and fewer contributors, and those who remain will come from an ever decreasing demographic circle. You will shout and rant and rage, mostly at the world but also occasionally at one another. You (pl) will be irrelevant.
This site has fallen, sadly.
It’s been feisty since 2007 when I was in my first incarnation here at the end of the Labour glory years. People like Tim would dish it out beautifully. It’s largely good fun, some of us go off the reservation occasionally and some stability resumes during milder times.
We have and election where some of us are licking our wounds, mourning, annoyed, angry and reacting in various ways and it happened in 2010 with Labour posters. It’s all part of PB’s rich pageant.
I have very little doubt that if any of us on here are in a bar together everyone would be human, funny, pleasant and decent. We throw barbs because we are all protected by being able to just log out and live real life.
Enjoy the rumble, the occasional unpleasantness and the insight because often the insight is best from those saying what you don’t like or don’t want to hear.
You are on the upside at the moment, you are on the winning side and you feel that you can take a higher moral position. Others are having their world view savaged by the press, their friends, their colleagues and on here.
Some are provocateurs on both sides.
I personally come here for the political chat but I stay for the snark.
It’s all good fun but the most interesting varied place on the web for politics - there is guardian comment is free for those who just want everyone to agree.
Xx
Some of my favourite posters aren't on here now, like Plato, Rod, Socrates, Antifrank, Archbishop Cranmer.
Rod Crosby is that classic example of “don’t have THAT conversation and he will make you a shot ton of cash and be quite funny doing it”. The world is complex.
The independent has updated their Techne poll. Don't have exact numbers or link sorry.
Weekly voting poll shows Labour down slightly to 42%. Tories stay at a low of 19%, with Reform just three points behind. (Techne)
That would be Labour down one (don't get @bigjohnowls too excited), Conservatives and Reform unchanged and herds nicely with most of the pollsters (except More In Common).
Oh, my God, I just realised we're about to elect a weak-willed, lily-livered, Woke fool of a Prime Minister who TOOK THE KNEE.
Seriously. He TOOK THE KNEE.
It's a disgrace. An absolute disgrace.
Why do you think Reform are doing so well?
All the things for which conservatives are critising Sunak - taxes, immigration, public sector wokery - are all about to get appreciably worse under Starmer.
Sunak never took the knee.
That is more important than everything else? I suppose it's a position (so to speak).
Or maybe I should say I PERSONALLY find it a little boring, now (tho this election is fun)
You have one life, it's a wonderful world out there, I am paid to explore it, I love it
For sure, travel usually broadens the mind.
Why you are so immune, remains a mystery.
Maybe because wandering around an airport looking for some driver on minimum wage holding up a piece of cardboard with “Sean Twat” written on it isn’t really proper travel.
Fact remains, most PB’ers can see that your desire to become a global nomad and escape your homeland has very little to do with our weather.
Yes, he can be a bit of a nob at times: he can bore for Britain and he's massively self-obsessed. Sometimes, he also gets a bit personal, and it's not necessary. But, when not, or shitti ng his pants, he's actually quite a shrewd and insightful observer of people and trends, and quite funny to boot. And he can hold a debate.
Asset to the site.
We're in agreement on this, as you are an asset, even if we like to piss on each other's chips! People moaning about other posters and wanting them sanctioned and banned or telling them to shut up. They're the feckers who want banning!
That’s fine but this site is not what it was under Mike. Period.
The kind of personal abuse meted out by Leon in particular is disgusting and he wouldn’t have tolerated it.
He was, genuinely, a genial and gentlemanly host and expected others to be likewise.
pb.com will continue but with fewer and fewer contributors, and those who remain will come from an ever decreasing demographic circle. You will shout and rant and rage, mostly at the world but also occasionally at one another. You (pl) will be irrelevant.
This site has fallen, sadly.
Oh give over. I've been here for 19 years and its no more or less abusive now than it ever was.
🆕Our latest @moreincommon_ voting intention poll shows a small drop in the Labour vote, now leading the Conservatives by 14. 🔵 CON 25% (-) 🔴 LAB 39% (-2) 🟠 LIB DEM 11% (-) 🟣 REF UK 14% (-) 🟢 GRN 5% (-) 🟡 SNP 3%(+1) Dates 17-19/6, N=2035 Tables: moreincommon.org.uk/our-work/votin… More in Common going against the tide https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1803835335928852843?s=19
Another static MOE poll.
Are you going to keep this "MOE" nothing to see here up for another fortnight?
Lowest Lab lead for 8 months in 2 successive days
Lab lead dropping the more people see of SKS
Whats your explanation for the massive falls for LAB from mid 40s to under 40?
Starmer was the there is no alternative candidate being supported reluctantly as the tories are crap.
Or maybe I should say I PERSONALLY find it a little boring, now (tho this election is fun)
You have one life, it's a wonderful world out there, I am paid to explore it, I love it
For sure, travel usually broadens the mind.
Why you are so immune, remains a mystery.
Maybe because wandering around an airport looking for some driver on minimum wage holding up a piece of cardboard with “Sean Twat” written on it isn’t really proper travel.
Fact remains, most PB’ers can see that your desire to become a global nomad and escape your homeland has very little to do with our weather.
Yes, he can be a bit of a nob at times: he can bore for Britain and he's massively self-obsessed. Sometimes, he also gets a bit personal, and it's not necessary. But, when not, or shitting his pants, he's actually quite a shrewd and insightful observer of people and trends, and quite funny to boot. And he can hold a debate.
Asset to the site.
We're in agreement on this, as you are an asset, even if we like to piss on each other's chips! People moaning about other posters and wanting them sanctioned and banned or telling them to shut up. They're the feckers who want banning!
That’s fine but this site is not what it was under Mike. Period.
The kind of personal abuse meted out by Leon in particular is disgusting and he wouldn’t have tolerated it.
He was, genuinely, a genial and gentlemanly host and expected others to be likewise.
pb.com will continue but with fewer and fewer contributors, and those who remain will come from an ever decreasing demographic circle. You will shout and rant and rage, mostly at the world but also occasionally at one another. You (pl) will be irrelevant.
This site has fallen, sadly.
It’s been feisty since 2007 when I was in my first incarnation here at the end of the Labour glory years. People like Tim would dish it out beautifully. It’s largely good fun, some of us go off the reservation occasionally and some stability resumes during milder times.
We have and election where some of us are licking our wounds, mourning, annoyed, angry and reacting in various ways and it happened in 2010 with Labour posters. It’s all part of PB’s rich pageant.
I have very little doubt that if any of us on here are in a bar together everyone would be human, funny, pleasant and decent. We throw barbs because we are all protected by being able to just log out and live real life.
Enjoy the rumble, the occasional unpleasantness and the insight because often the insight is best from those saying what you don’t like or don’t want to hear.
You are on the upside at the moment, you are on the winning side and you feel that you can take a higher moral position. Others are having their world view savaged by the press, their friends, their colleagues and on here.
Some are provocateurs on both sides.
I personally come here for the political chat but I stay for the snark.
It’s all good fun but the most interesting varied place on the web for politics - there is guardian comment is free for those who just want everyone to agree.
Xx
Some of my favourite posters aren't on here now, like Plato, Rod, Socrates, Antifrank, Archbishop Cranmer.
Plato passed, of course
One of the others, who I won't dox, is on the site under a new name.
Or maybe I should say I PERSONALLY find it a little boring, now (tho this election is fun)
You have one life, it's a wonderful world out there, I am paid to explore it, I love it
For sure, travel usually broadens the mind.
Why you are so immune, remains a mystery.
Maybe because wandering around an airport looking for some driver on minimum wage holding up a piece of cardboard with “Sean Twat” written on it isn’t really proper travel.
Fact remains, most PB’ers can see that your desire to become a global nomad and escape your homeland has very little to do with our weather.
Yes, he can be a bit of a nob at times: he can bore for Britain and he's massively self-obsessed. Sometimes, he also gets a bit personal, and it's not necessary. But, when not, or shitting his pants, he's actually quite a shrewd and insightful observer of people and trends, and quite funny to boot. And he can hold a debate.
Asset to the site.
We're in agreement on this, as you are an asset, even if we like to piss on each other's chips! People moaning about other posters and wanting them sanctioned and banned or telling them to shut up. They're the feckers who want banning!
That’s fine but this site is not what it was under Mike. Period.
The kind of personal abuse meted out by Leon in particular is disgusting and he wouldn’t have tolerated it.
He was, genuinely, a genial and gentlemanly host and expected others to be likewise.
pb.com will continue but with fewer and fewer contributors, and those who remain will come from an ever decreasing demographic circle. You will shout and rant and rage, mostly at the world but also occasionally at one another. You (pl) will be irrelevant.
This site has fallen, sadly.
It’s been feisty since 2007 when I was in my first incarnation here at the end of the Labour glory years. People like Tim would dish it out beautifully. It’s largely good fun, some of us go off the reservation occasionally and some stability resumes during milder times.
We have and election where some of us are licking our wounds, mourning, annoyed, angry and reacting in various ways and it happened in 2010 with Labour posters. It’s all part of PB’s rich pageant.
I have very little doubt that if any of us on here are in a bar together everyone would be human, funny, pleasant and decent. We throw barbs because we are all protected by being able to just log out and live real life.
Enjoy the rumble, the occasional unpleasantness and the insight because often the insight is best from those saying what you don’t like or don’t want to hear.
You are on the upside at the moment, you are on the winning side and you feel that you can take a higher moral position. Others are having their world view savaged by the press, their friends, their colleagues and on here.
Some are provocateurs on both sides.
I personally come here for the political chat but I stay for the snark.
It’s all good fun but the most interesting varied place on the web for politics - there is guardian comment is free for those who just want everyone to agree.
Xx
Some of my favourite posters aren't on here now, like Plato, Rod, Socrates, Antifrank, Archbishop Cranmer.
Plato passed, of course
One of the others, who I won't dox, is on the site under a new name.
Finally the BBC panel turns on Southgate. After about a decade
It's his teams, his coaching, his sit-back-on-the lead shit
I have absolutely no idea why we stick with Southgate. Tactically inept. Boring.
Just awful
Because he's a "fundamentally decent guy" and he used to wear a waistcoat and taking the knee and all that shite
I mean, he probably is a lovely chap. He also earns several trillion quid. As soon as they re-appointed him after the World Cup I knew we had no chance at the euros, despite having Bellingham and Kane!!!!
Fack it. I'm off to the Thames for a riverside pint in the lovely sun
The Knee is the biggest black mark against Southgate.
Jeez.
During the coming long, long, wilderness years reflect on how tone deaf you became
Many years ago I went into a coffee shop and asked for a black coffee.
"Coffee without milk" corrected the prissy git behind the counter.
Black mark is perfectly acceptable language to use.
Finally the BBC panel turns on Southgate. After about a decade
It's his teams, his coaching, his sit-back-on-the lead shit
I have absolutely no idea why we stick with Southgate. Tactically inept. Boring.
Just awful
Because he's a "fundamentally decent guy" and he used to wear a waistcoat and taking the knee and all that shite
I mean, he probably is a lovely chap. He also earns several trillion quid. As soon as they re-appointed him after the World Cup I knew we had no chance at the euros, despite having Bellingham and Kane!!!!
Fack it. I'm off to the Thames for a riverside pint in the lovely sun
The Knee is the biggest black mark against Southgate.
Jeez.
During the coming long, long, wilderness years reflect on how tone deaf you became
Don't be ridiculous
If you play chess with a POC I am guessing you are careful to refer to the higher vs lower luminance pieces. And abjectly apologise for the colonial arrogance of the higher luminance moving first rule.
I mean we'd like England to have won 6-0 but as Kyle Walker said after the match it's not so easy in big competitions. They are fighting for every inch.
Or maybe I should say I PERSONALLY find it a little boring, now (tho this election is fun)
You have one life, it's a wonderful world out there, I am paid to explore it, I love it
For sure, travel usually broadens the mind.
Why you are so immune, remains a mystery.
Maybe because wandering around an airport looking for some driver on minimum wage holding up a piece of cardboard with “Sean Twat” written on it isn’t really proper travel.
Fact remains, most PB’ers can see that your desire to become a global nomad and escape your homeland has very little to do with our weather.
Yes, he can be a bit of a nob at times: he can bore for Britain and he's massively self-obsessed. Sometimes, he also gets a bit personal, and it's not necessary. But, when not, or shitti ng his pants, he's actually quite a shrewd and insightful observer of people and trends, and quite funny to boot. And he can hold a debate.
Asset to the site.
We're in agreement on this, as you are an asset, even if we like to piss on each other's chips! People moaning about other posters and wanting them sanctioned and banned or telling them to shut up. They're the feckers who want banning!
That’s fine but this site is not what it was under Mike. Period.
The kind of personal abuse meted out by Leon in particular is disgusting and he wouldn’t have tolerated it.
He was, genuinely, a genial and gentlemanly host and expected others to be likewise.
pb.com will continue but with fewer and fewer contributors, and those who remain will come from an ever decreasing demographic circle. You will shout and rant and rage, mostly at the world but also occasionally at one another. You (pl) will be irrelevant.
This site has fallen, sadly.
Oh give over. I've been here for 19 years and its no more or less abusive now than it ever was.
To be fair OGH would have kicked "Leon" in the balls. His coke fuelled wank over the last few days is pissant garbage. It is is seriously challenging the ethos of this place, Heathener may be right to read the last rites.
Or maybe I should say I PERSONALLY find it a little boring, now (tho this election is fun)
You have one life, it's a wonderful world out there, I am paid to explore it, I love it
For sure, travel usually broadens the mind.
Why you are so immune, remains a mystery.
Maybe because wandering around an airport looking for some driver on minimum wage holding up a piece of cardboard with “Sean Twat” written on it isn’t really proper travel.
Fact remains, most PB’ers can see that your desire to become a global nomad and escape your homeland has very little to do with our weather.
Yes, he can be a bit of a nob at times: he can bore for Britain and he's massively self-obsessed. Sometimes, he also gets a bit personal, and it's not necessary. But, when not, or shitting his pants, he's actually quite a shrewd and insightful observer of people and trends, and quite funny to boot. And he can hold a debate.
Asset to the site.
We're in agreement on this, as you are an asset, even if we like to piss on each other's chips! People moaning about other posters and wanting them sanctioned and banned or telling them to shut up. They're the feckers who want banning!
That’s fine but this site is not what it was under Mike. Period.
The kind of personal abuse meted out by Leon in particular is disgusting and he wouldn’t have tolerated it.
He was, genuinely, a genial and gentlemanly host and expected others to be likewise.
pb.com will continue but with fewer and fewer contributors, and those who remain will come from an ever decreasing demographic circle. You will shout and rant and rage, mostly at the world but also occasionally at one another. You (pl) will be irrelevant.
This site has fallen, sadly.
It’s been feisty since 2007 when I was in my first incarnation here at the end of the Labour glory years. People like Tim would dish it out beautifully. It’s largely good fun, some of us go off the reservation occasionally and some stability resumes during milder times.
We have and election where some of us are licking our wounds, mourning, annoyed, angry and reacting in various ways and it happened in 2010 with Labour posters. It’s all part of PB’s rich pageant.
I have very little doubt that if any of us on here are in a bar together everyone would be human, funny, pleasant and decent. We throw barbs because we are all protected by being able to just log out and live real life.
Enjoy the rumble, the occasional unpleasantness and the insight because often the insight is best from those saying what you don’t like or don’t want to hear.
You are on the upside at the moment, you are on the winning side and you feel that you can take a higher moral position. Others are having their world view savaged by the press, their friends, their colleagues and on here.
Some are provocateurs on both sides.
I personally come here for the political chat but I stay for the snark.
It’s all good fun but the most interesting varied place on the web for politics - there is guardian comment is free for those who just want everyone to agree.
Xx
Some of my favourite posters aren't on here now, like Plato, Rod, Socrates, Antifrank, Archbishop Cranmer.
Plato passed, of course
One of the others, who I won't dox, is on the site under a new name.
If only England had taken the knee for nineteen hours a day for six years straight they could have got more corners
You're worse than Casino. Let it go.
Aaaaand no
One of the reasons the useless Southgate is still in place is because of idiot lefty politics
The reason Southgate has been in charge for so long is that he's been England's most successful manager since 1966.
I don't think England have played that well in their first two games, but the relentless negativity around English football, and around Southgate specifically when, just as with Bazball, he's made watching England something you can do with much less fear of embarrassment, is really baffling. Chill out.
It's a far cry from the days when the succession of really crap managers were in charge of England.
Eh? England are no less crap than they have been at any point since the Venables era. Occasionally Southgate-England have managed to string a few wins together, but normally by dint of playing countries the size of Essex.
England record under Southgate.
2018 WC: Semi-Final 2020 EU: Final 2022 WC: Quarter-Final
Name the England manager, besides Ramsey, who has a better record.
🆕Our latest @moreincommon_ voting intention poll shows a small drop in the Labour vote, now leading the Conservatives by 14. 🔵 CON 25% (-) 🔴 LAB 39% (-2) 🟠 LIB DEM 11% (-) 🟣 REF UK 14% (-) 🟢 GRN 5% (-) 🟡 SNP 3%(+1) Dates 17-19/6, N=2035 Tables: moreincommon.org.uk/our-work/votin… More in Common going against the tide https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1803835335928852843?s=19
Another static MOE poll.
Are you going to keep this "MOE" nothing to see here up for another fortnight?
Lowest Lab lead for 8 months in 2 successive days
Lab lead dropping the more people see of SKS
Whats your explanation for the massive falls for LAB from mid 40s to under 40?
The explanation? Tactical voting for the Lib Dems. It has nothing to do with SKS who is likely to win on his first attempt. Corbyn took two attempts to win fuck all. Fuck All. You hear that? Fuck All. Whatever Labour’s share in 2017, Theresa May managed to get more. In 2019 he was spanked by Boris Fucking Johnson. He lost. Twice. Get the fuck over it.
Someone had to say it. This is the definitive response. Thank you.
Biden seems to be making gains post Trump conviction. NGL, I was (and still am) quite pessimistic about Biden turning this around, but this conviction seems to have moved the needle with independents. Considering this was arguably the hardest case to be made on an issue of less substance than the other cases Trump has pending - if the other cases go badly for Trump I think we may be safe from Project 2025.
I don't think there are any other cases expected to come to trial this side of the Election.
At present they are all in suspended animation, except for Florida which has a Trump patsy for a Judge.
Oh, my God, I just realised we're about to elect a weak-willed, lily-livered, Woke fool of a Prime Minister who TOOK THE KNEE.
Seriously. He TOOK THE KNEE.
It's a disgrace. An absolute disgrace.
So what? The only difference between him and the Tories is aesthetics.
In 14 years the Tories have not scrapped one woke DEI policy Indeed May and others passed many such bills and made it worse. At least with Labour they don't try to hide it.
Comments
Let it go.
Do they prompt for Reform? I know there's a post-election shindig organised by the BPC - it will be fascinating to see how the various polling organsiations approached the election and the methodologies adopted.
Tory candidate facing probe over election date betting allegations threatens to sue BBC
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/jun/20/uk-general-election-2024-live-updates-labour-tories-polls-seats-inflation
"Infringing privacy rights" is a bit of a stretch from a candidate for public office, during an election.
Then again, they've been taking the piss for the best part of a decade.
If they now contrive to finish second in the group rather than first, they should get Germany in the next round. That'll be fun, in a bent over and roughly abused with a cactus kind of fashion.
One of the reasons the useless Southgate is still in place is because of idiot lefty politics
It's the pettiness which is the point. Like Johnson throwing everything away not for vintage clicquot and Colombian flake, but lukewarm sauv blanc from Tesco express.
Exclusive: Chris Skidmore, ex-energy minister, says Rishi Sunak’s bid to turn net zero into culture war issue is ‘greatest tragedy of his premiership’
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/20/former-tory-minister-vows-to-vote-labour-over-tories-climate-failures
During the coming long, long, wilderness years reflect on how tone deaf you became
I like that bit
What happened to the sparkling wit ?
Southgate clearly doesn't think it is, even though everyone else knows it is, so that also tells you he's just not very bright.
Seriously. He TOOK THE KNEE.
It's a disgrace. An absolute disgrace.
He’s quite dumb. The Wokeness is annoying but whatever. He means well
But the intellectual mediocrity is killing a super talented squad and he lacks the charisma too
The kind of personal abuse meted out by Leon in particular is disgusting and he wouldn’t have tolerated it.
He was, genuinely, a genial and gentlemanly host and expected others to be likewise.
pb.com will continue but with fewer and fewer contributors, and those who remain will come from an ever decreasing demographic circle. You will shout and rant and rage, mostly at the world but also occasionally at one another. You (pl) will be irrelevant.
This site has fallen, sadly.
I don't think England have played that well in their first two games, but the relentless negativity around English football, and around Southgate specifically when, just as with Bazball, he's made watching England something you can do with much less fear of embarrassment, is really baffling. Chill out.
It's a far cry from the days when the succession of really crap managers were in charge of England.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/article/2024/jun/20/new-dinosaur-species-lokiceratops-loki-montana
But Leon and Casino are like a less fun Statler and Waldorf tonight.
I'm off for dinner.
If the result of all that is, when people grow fed up with rubbish leadership, they end up turning to a mediocre alternative because the system makes it so bloody hard for anything other than Tweedledum or Tweedledummer to thrive, then tough.
Lowest Lab lead for 8 months in 2 successive days
Lab lead dropping the more people see of SKS
Whats your explanation for the massive falls for LAB from mid 40s to under 40?
I can get 60 feet of bridge nearly anywhere…
Whether it's dishonest and an offence is a law exam kinda question. Not straightforward.
MIC had Lab at 46 less than 2 weeks ago
Weekly voting poll shows Labour down slightly to 42%. Tories stay at a low of 19%, with Reform just three points behind. (Techne)
THE KNEE.
I'd almost forgotten the horror.
We have and election where some of us are licking our wounds, mourning, annoyed, angry and reacting in various ways and it happened in 2010 with Labour posters. It’s all part of PB’s rich pageant.
I have very little doubt that if any of us on here are in a bar together everyone would be human, funny, pleasant and decent. We throw barbs because we are all protected by being able to just log out and live real life.
Enjoy the rumble, the occasional unpleasantness and the insight because often the insight is best from those saying what you don’t like or don’t want to hear.
You are on the upside at the moment, you are on the winning side and you feel that you can take a higher moral position. Others are having their world view savaged by the press, their friends, their colleagues and on here.
Some are provocateurs on both sides.
I personally come here for the political chat but I stay for the snark.
It’s all good fun but the most interesting varied place on the web for politics - there is guardian comment is free for those who just want everyone to agree.
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Quality Luvvie behaviour
https://youtu.be/22jE8LdlBZ4?si=NSaSpFtbJ0JG9pHn
Donald Trump has berserk meltdown over the Fox News poll showing Biden beating him
Trump is such a thin-skinned baby. He’s utterly unfit for office.
https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1803855424149389575
Lab 42 (-1)
Con 19 (=)
Ref 17 (+1)
LD 12 (+1)
Source - the independent website
All the things for which conservatives are critising Sunak - taxes, immigration, public sector wokery - are all about to get appreciably worse under Starmer.
A much more attacking team is being nurtured, rather than the dull kicking under recent years with Jones (and maintained into the world cup given how late the coach was changed).
An early start required mind.
One of the others, who I won't dox, is on the site under a new name.
Things are much better now than they were then (even I got so frustrated I lost my temper on occasion)
Nothing to see here
They'll be short of 100, by quite a few
NEW THREAD
Then we find Fargle hasn't gone away you know...
"Coffee without milk" corrected the prissy git behind the counter.
Black mark is perfectly acceptable language to use.
If you play chess with a POC I am guessing you are careful to refer to the higher vs lower luminance pieces. And abjectly apologise for the colonial arrogance of the higher luminance moving first rule.
So onto the next one.
2018 WC: Semi-Final
2020 EU: Final
2022 WC: Quarter-Final
Name the England manager, besides Ramsey, who has a better record.
At present they are all in suspended animation, except for Florida which has a Trump patsy for a Judge.
In 14 years the Tories have not scrapped one woke DEI policy
Indeed May and others passed many such bills and made it worse. At least with Labour they don't try to hide it.