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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627
    boulay said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @OpiniumResearch
    🚨 Our latest polling with
    @ObserverUK


    The Labour lead is now 20 points.
    • Labour 45% (+4)
    • Conservatives 25% (-2)
    • Lib Dems 8% (-2)
    • SNP 3% (+1)
    • Greens 6% (-1)
    • Reform 11% (+1)

    Fieldwork: 29 - 31 May.
    Changes from 23 - 24 May.

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    That's a shame. I wanted to read your rationale as to why this was a good poll for the Conservatives.
    Well it’s not “Conservatives 0%” which is something.
    Not yet, anyway...
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930

    @SeaShantyIrish2

    'Which makes me wonder: does PB's St John, have a relation named St Neot?'

    Nio, but he is related to St Tone, the spiritual presence of the former PM.

    Here's a question.

    Cornwall is full of St-Places. Which kind of makes sense- the landscape is pure Noom. Saints go there to be strange and holy.

    But then, in a fairly close cluster, you have St Albans, St Neots and St Ives (the one where you can get kits, cats, sacks and wives by the seven). And nice though those places are, they don't have Noom. They're just pleasant.

    What gives?
    Demolition and rebuilding since they were named.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,814
    Scott_xP said:

    @OpiniumResearch
    🚨 Our latest polling with
    @ObserverUK


    The Labour lead is now 20 points.
    • Labour 45% (+4)
    • Conservatives 25% (-2)
    • Lib Dems 8% (-2)
    • SNP 3% (+1)
    • Greens 6% (-1)
    • Reform 11% (+1)

    Fieldwork: 29 - 31 May.
    Changes from 23 - 24 May.

    Broken, sleazy Tories, LibDems and Greens on the slide!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,814
    Foxy said:

    📊 Labour lead at 24pts
    Westminster voting intention

    LAB: 45% (-)
    CON: 21% (+2)
    REF: 12% (-2)
    LDEM: 11% (-1)
    GRN: 6% (+1)

    via @techneUK, 31 May

    https://x.com/BritainElects/status/1796963590408151336?t=gvZdhFO2yx8sB3yzJpMapg&s=19

    First one of the evening.

    Broken, sleazy Reform and LibDems on the slide
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930


    Kate Ferguson
    @kateferguson4
    ·
    19m
    EXCL: Sir Keir Starmer unveils a manifesto pledge to cut the number of immigrants coming to Britain!

    He makes the landmark commitment in excl interview with Sun on Sunday.

    Labour leader says he will ban "bad bosses" hiring overseas & train more Brits

    Would Starmer describe himself as a national socialist?
    Some of his Gaza supporting members would.
  • Clutch_BromptonClutch_Brompton Posts: 737
    TimS said:

    Labour is on 45% – up four points on last weekend, while the Conservatives are down 2 on 25%. Reform is up on one on 11%, the Lib Dems down 2 on 8%, and the Greens down one point on 6%.

    That's fairly Jesus Wept-worthy.
    Is it though? It’s net 1% movement between blocs. Just a bit of shuffling.

    Jesus probably just had hayfever.
    The lack of movement between 'blocs' is one of the more convincing aspects of this poll. The fact Lab is sewing up one 'bloc' while the Cons are losing ground in the other would not bode well for the Cons. Jesus might not weep at that but there's an Isaac who might need a big hug tonight.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    edited June 1
    rcs1000 said:

    Heathener said:

    darkage said:

    My feeling is that the conservative party has come to the end of its life. They have a massive political legacy and a platform to do whatever they want, but they have nothing to offer. If they get the chance to reinvent themselves it will need to become a totally different party. My sense is that the space they need to occupy is as a radical right wing party, to become the dominant antithesis to 'woke centrism'. Although people will be outraged at this idea ultimately it is the only logical place for the tories to go and it may get them back to power quickly.

    It may be unpopular to state on a website like this with a generally ageing demographic but what you call ‘woke centrism’ is what used to be known simply as ’the centre ground’.

    It is 20 years since the Labour Party repealed Section 28. It had been brought in by Mrs Thatcher in 1988 to promote ’true family values’. The section of the Local Government Act stated that local authorities:

    “Shall not intentionally promote homosexuality or publish material with the intention of promoting homosexuality" or "promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship”. [italics mine]

    David Cameron repeatedly supported Section 28.

    I have given one example from history but there could be many others.

    It is a sign of the rabbit hole the tories have gone down that they really believe they now represent anything other than a fringe mindset of the right, some would say ‘far right’. Their anti-woke culture wars have taken them far from the centre, where the vast majority in this country happily dwell.

    So by all means let the Conservative Party occupy that radical right wing if you like, but they will never return to power in this country if they stay out there.

    Oh, and happy Pride Month ...
    What are your views on allowing large-scale immigration from countries with diametrically opposed views on this question?

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    Although one would expect that the people most likely to emigrate from a country would be the ones who felt their views were out of line.

    The most obvious example, of course, is the earliest emigrants to the US from the UK. They went because their views were out of line with mainstream UK Christian belief.
    No. Out of line with the ruling party in London.

    (And 'UK' at the time would have to cater for RCs in Ireland and Presbyterians in Scotland. In fact it wasn't even a union of the parliaments then. Not even Ireland.)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    This thread has had its door produced by Boeing's subsidiary.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984

    TimS said:

    I’ve changed my mind on the election after reading the replies to a tweet by meteorologist Chris Page about this May having been the warmest on record in the UK. Which it was, largely due to very mild nights.

    Quite something. Those reply guys have alternative facts. Oh boy.

    Nailed on Reform majority.

    It’s been an odd month and I get why people think it’s not been warm overall, but of course the temperature at night counts as much as the day time does. It’s not been inspiring, and the relief at some blue skies is palpable.
    The other factor in the disbelief is probably down to the month ending so badly. People have very short memories.

    But the utter conviction in the replies that the Met Office is cooking the books and simply lying about the stats is something to behold.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,773
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve changed my mind on the election after reading the replies to a tweet by meteorologist Chris Page about this May having been the warmest on record in the UK. Which it was, largely due to very mild nights.

    Quite something. Those reply guys have alternative facts. Oh boy.

    Nailed on Reform majority.

    It’s been an odd month and I get why people think it’s not been warm overall, but of course the temperature at night counts as much as the day time does. It’s not been inspiring, and the relief at some blue skies is palpable.
    The other factor in the disbelief is probably down to the month ending so badly. People have very short memories.

    But the utter conviction in the replies that the Met Office is cooking the books and simply lying about the stats is something to behold.
    After two days of rain last week, I several times got into conversations with normally reasonable people who insisted it had been cold and wet all month. People honestly cannot remember more than two days of weather.
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