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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    We're racking up the "don't recalls" this afternoon.

    ..In the minutes, it's stated that the board had grown "concerned that the review opened the business up to claims of wrongful prosecution".

    Asked what this refers to, Vennells says she can't recall this being discussed at the meeting or who'd come to that conclusion...

    ...Beer is continuing to look at the notes about the July 2013 meeting, in which the board expressed strong views that the Post Office hadn't managed the Second Sight review well.

    He asks Vennells if she had considered relieving Susan Crichton of her duties as the company's top lawyer over the review's handling.

    She says she can't recall, adding that she thought Crichton was the "right person" to lead it going forward.

    ..."Crichton has told us in this inquiry that she spoke to you before the meeting to say that, in her view, there would be many successful claims against the Post Office arising from past wrongful prosecutions," Beer says, asking whether it was true.

    "I have no recollection of that whatsover," Vennells says...


    And then, absolute clarity of recall:
    ...She goes on to deny trying to prevent the board from hearing directly from Crichton.

    "Did you take over her paper and present it or the issues in it to prevent the board from hearing her opinion?" Beer asks.

    "No, I've told you exactly what happened..

    For someone who would have spent tens of thousands of pounds on preparation for this week, she does appear to have an awfully short memory.

    It’s almost as if she’s challenging Beer to bring the documents we can all guess he’s going to be bringing tomorrow.
    I have no recollection; I don't recall; I don't recall; I don't recall; I've told you exactly what happened.
    Similarly:

    Beer pulls up a report prepared by former Post Office head lawyer Susan Crichton for a board meeting in July 2013, highlighting points stating the company was taking a "pro-active" approach to their relationship with sub-postmasters and a "reactive" approach to criminal cases.

    He asks her to explain why a pro-active approach was being taken to managing relations with sub-postmasters but a sitting-back approach to miscarriages of justice?

    Vennells replies she can't comment on the criminal or legal side of things because she is not a lawyer.

    She says that this was Crichton's recommendation, adding that her own recollection was criminal cases had to go through the Court of Appeal to be resolved.

    That doesn't tell you anything about what the organisation responsible for prosecutions should itself do to allow the Court of Appeal to fulfil that role, Beer notes.

    Vennells agrees, but says she and the board had been advised by Post Office lawyers this was the right approach.

    "It was clearly completely wrong to put criminal cases into a mediation scheme that couldn't have resolved it," she says...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656
    DougSeal said:

    Lucas on BBC. Amazingly, talking about environmental issues.

    I thought she was in the Green Party - what about Trans and Gaza?

    Well your Party

    Has binned the New Green Deal in favour of austerity (same as the Blue Tories)

    Support Zionism without question and cheerleads Genocide in Gaza (like the blue Tories)

    Is all over the place on Trans rights (depends on what is considered most popular)

    Enjoy voting for the Party with Zero principles and rotating policies
    I thought you supported Galloway's bunch now? I lose track.
    Well you aren't paying much attention.

    I have been a member of the Green Party since 2022 and will be voting for them.

    In Rochdale GG was the best option for defeating the GAZA Genocide cheerleaders and the Greens withdrew support for their own Candidate due to Islamophobic tweets.

    Anyway what are you most looking forward to under PM SKS and austerity Reeves

    More NHS privatisation?
    Austerity on stilts?
    Zionism without qualification?
    Not Nationalising water?
    Increasing funding for wars?
    Weekly U Turns on Policy?

  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Both of them?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656
    Andy_JS said:

    Labour lost nothing in 1997. Two seats swung against them from memory, in terms of Lab to Con swing: Bradford West and Bethnal Green & Bow.

    1997 was the only GE Chesterfield voted for Blair.

    LDs won 2 of 3 GEs there.

    Solid Labour under Brown, EICIPM and Jezza twice
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,549

    DougSeal said:

    Lucas on BBC. Amazingly, talking about environmental issues.

    I thought she was in the Green Party - what about Trans and Gaza?

    Well your Party

    Has binned the New Green Deal in favour of austerity (same as the Blue Tories)

    Support Zionism without question and cheerleads Genocide in Gaza (like the blue Tories)

    Is all over the place on Trans rights (depends on what is considered most popular)

    Enjoy voting for the Party with Zero principles and rotating policies
    I thought you supported Galloway's bunch now? I lose track.
    Well you aren't paying much attention.

    I have been a member of the Green Party since 2022 and will be voting for them.

    In Rochdale GG was the best option for defeating the GAZA Genocide cheerleaders and the Greens withdrew support for their own Candidate due to Islamophobic tweets.

    Anyway what are you most looking forward to under PM SKS and austerity Reeves

    More NHS privatisation?
    Austerity on stilts?
    Zionism without qualification?
    Not Nationalising water?
    Increasing funding for wars?
    Weekly U Turns on Policy?

    I get it. You're another numpty for whom Gaza matters more than the people you pretended to support for decades - citizens of the UK. How the mask falls.

    It's patently ridiculous; short of invading Israel, we have very little power over them. And the side you are supporting are not any better than Israel - and you can argue worse.

    And the Greens are just as bad as Starmer when it comes to stupidity and inconsistency.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    More in Common look like winning the first poll fully after GE called race with a poll on Times Radio after 5pm, Tryl teases positive news in personal ratings for one of the two main leaders...... yay polling!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,549
    The UK seems to be the only country where young people aren't trending populist right.
  • .

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
    There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

    But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.
    I think you need a new word for "woke" Casino. Woke doesn't mean anything.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,603

    .

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
    There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

    But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.
    France is relatively less split along gender lines than other countries:

    image
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    edited May 23
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
    Ah yes, those halcyon days when young women could wander our streets without a care in the world, as all the white men treated them with utter respect and courtesy.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
    Ah yes, those halcyon days when young women could wander our streets without a care in the world, as all the white men treated them with utter respect and courtesy.
    Go watch the vids
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,773

    DougSeal said:

    Lucas on BBC. Amazingly, talking about environmental issues.

    I thought she was in the Green Party - what about Trans and Gaza?

    Well your Party

    Has binned the New Green Deal in favour of austerity (same as the Blue Tories)

    Support Zionism without question and cheerleads Genocide in Gaza (like the blue Tories)

    Is all over the place on Trans rights (depends on what is considered most popular)

    Enjoy voting for the Party with Zero principles and rotating policies
    I thought you supported Galloway's bunch now? I lose track.
    Well you aren't paying much attention.

    I have been a member of the Green Party since 2022 and will be voting for them.

    In Rochdale GG was the best option for defeating the GAZA Genocide cheerleaders and the Greens withdrew support for their own Candidate due to Islamophobic tweets.

    Anyway what are you most looking forward to under PM SKS and austerity Reeves

    More NHS privatisation?
    Austerity on stilts?
    Zionism without qualification?
    Not Nationalising water?
    Increasing funding for wars?
    Weekly U Turns on Policy?

    1) Caring about outcomes rather than ownership models?
    2) Spending the money we have rather than the money we don't?
    3) Not instinctively siding with the thugs from Hamas?
    4) Caring about outcomes rather than ownership models?
    5) I don't even know what you're on about for this one.
    6) Fair point.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,603
    Scathing from Nikki Haley:

    https://x.com/nikkihaley/status/1793380961012388094

    “Look at what Biden has done in Ukraine. He did nothing to deter the invasion. He assumed Ukraine would fall within days.
     
    While the Ukrainians have proven to be amazing fighters, Biden refuses to help them win. He gives them just enough to survive, while Russian missiles and tanks grind their country to dust.”
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,457

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bids for election debates are being made by broadcasters individually rather than collectively, with a scramble behind the scenes likely in the coming days as they seek confirmations.

    Nick Robinson, the BBC’s former political editor and host of the Today programme on Radio Four, is also due to hold interviews with constantly interrupt all the party leaders, if they agree to do so.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/23/tories-keir-starmer-record-six-tv-debates-general-election/

    Let’s hope the major broadcasters lose out to a bunch of podcasters - Triggernometry anyone, sitting them both down for hours outside the broadcast rules?

    Given the change in the media landscape since the last election, it wouldn’t be a surprise to see parties organise debates between themselves under agreed rules, and leave the broadcasters with the choice to accept the stream or not.
    Russell Brand ;-)
    I think even Ed Miliband realised that was a bad idea.
    I think a smart politician, you do all these podcasts regularly before we even get anywhere near an election campaign. Its the modern equivalent of Cameron Direct events, so you already built a reasonable brand outside of the media narrative. Ben Houchen has done a bit of that, I think he has been on the likes of Unherd and Triggernometry.
    Hasn't Starmer already been doing pretty much this? He's guested on a podcast every week or so over the past year, though usually not politics or economics based - more often football, food or lifestyle.

    Fairly low stakes, but has paid dividends in how at ease he now seems in those sort of settings.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    I'm wondering if Old Lady Brady has had to call in The Count from Sesame Street to help tot up those letters yet?

    :D
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576

    .

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
    There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

    But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.
    There’s a massive gender imbalance, young men are trending right and young women trending left.

    Having a large group of dissatisfied young men, doesn’t generally work out too well for any country.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

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    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Scott_xP said:

    @Scott_xP

    I refer you to the first post of this thread and the limit on the number of embedded photos.

    You need to clarify the distinction between embedded and linked
    And you, the distinction between one and more than one.
    Thus far my embedded photo count stands at zero
    No it doesn't.

    Any embed either via Vanilla or via a website link counts as an embed.

    Vanilla overall sees it as an image then eventually starts shrinking/blurring all photos.
    That makes zero sense - but hey it's Vanilla and a lot of the things they do make no sense.
    Indeed, they didn't tell us they were hiding the view likes, it was only thanks to BenPointer having a look on the Vanilla website that he made me aware of the fix.
    Don't tell me - if you want to have lots of people posting lots of the photos, you have to pay Vanilla lots of money?

    With this new system, the pressure is certainly now on to find a decent photo every day
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,417

    Scathing from Nikki Haley:

    https://x.com/nikkihaley/status/1793380961012388094

    “Look at what Biden has done in Ukraine. He did nothing to deter the invasion. He assumed Ukraine would fall within days.
     
    While the Ukrainians have proven to be amazing fighters, Biden refuses to help them win. He gives them just enough to survive, while Russian missiles and tanks grind their country to dust.”

    Whereas Trump would do what exactly?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    .

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
    There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

    But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.
    "The march of Europe’s right-wing women"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-march-of-europes-right-wing-women/

    The same thing will happen to gay people - Pym Fortuyn was an early adopter, and it has already happened to Jews

    People realise that these multicultural socities we are building, based on identity politics, are actually quite hostile places for Jews, gays, young white women, young white men
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
    Ah yes, those halcyon days when young women could wander our streets without a care in the world, as all the white men treated them with utter respect and courtesy.
    Go watch the vids
    Shan't. You go and spend a Saturday afternoon, or night, wandering around your stamping ground of Camden and report back on the level of fear you observe in the young women enjoying the buzz of London life. Or even, ask your daughter?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    I pondered what to spend my day's photographic allocation on.

    But I did not ponder too long.



  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042

    .

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
    There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

    But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.
    This is the numbers I've seen. Young men in many countries are demonstrating a right-wing backlash (or at least counter-movement) to the previous trend of young people becoming much more left/liberal than their parents (far more so than typical generational gaps). Young women mostly aren't. Whether young men are acting as they are because of how young women act, or how other parts of society are acting, or a combination of both, is hard to say for sure. But I think some of it is a direct backlash to feeling 'reverse victimised' by gender politics in their generation.

    (Not saying I agree or disagree with them, btw. This is just my observations.)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,603
    Farooq said:

    Sandpit said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
    There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

    But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.
    There’s a massive gender imbalance, young men are trending right and young women trending left.

    Having a large group of dissatisfied young men, doesn’t generally work out too well for any country.
    So... being right-wing a sign of dissatisfaction?
    Dissatisfaction with the status quo, which is left-liberal.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    I pondered what to spend my day's photographic allocation on.

    But I did not ponder too long.



    Draw me like one of your idiot girls, Jack
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,721
    IanB2 said:

    a

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Scott_xP said:

    @Scott_xP

    I refer you to the first post of this thread and the limit on the number of embedded photos.

    You need to clarify the distinction between embedded and linked
    And you, the distinction between one and more than one.
    Thus far my embedded photo count stands at zero
    No it doesn't.

    Any embed either via Vanilla or via a website link counts as an embed.

    Vanilla overall sees it as an image then eventually starts shrinking/blurring all photos.
    That makes zero sense - but hey it's Vanilla and a lot of the things they do make no sense.
    Indeed, they didn't tell us they were hiding the view likes, it was only thanks to BenPointer having a look on the Vanilla website that he made me aware of the fix.
    Don't tell me - if you want to have lots of people posting lots of the photos, you have to pay Vanilla lots of money?

    With this new system, the pressure is certainly now on to find a decent photo every day
    Well, this is mine for the day:

    image
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576
    Farooq said:

    Sandpit said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
    There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

    But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.
    There’s a massive gender imbalance, young men are trending right and young women trending left.

    Having a large group of dissatisfied young men, doesn’t generally work out too well for any country.
    So... being right-wing a sign of dissatisfaction?
    It is when the’re attacking the current government from the right. Look to mainland Europe for an example of the road this goes down, although thankfully the worst we’ve had so far in the UK is Farage, bar the sad episode of Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons in 2004(?). The UK has so far escaped the likes of the Front National or the AfD, which are all over Europe at the moment, but that doesn’t mean it’s not coming if the political Establishment delivers nothing for large numbers of working class men.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,773

    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @paulwaugh

    After his rain-soaked launch, Rishi Sunak has so far today:
    - asked Welsh workers if they're looking forward to 'all the football' [not realising Wales not in Euro2024]
    - had 2 Tory cllrs cosplaying as members of public to ask him Qs

    It's only Day 2.

    Football doesn't seem to be such a big part of football as it used to be, does it? In the 90s and noughties, the football team the PM supported was an important fact that everyone had to know. There may have been an Only Connect round on it - Chelsea, Newcastle United, Raith Rovers, Aston Villa. But who did TMay suuport? Boris? Rishi? I couldn't say.

    Which is probably healthy, really. Nothing* intrinsically wrong with football, but it strikes me as daft that our favourite football teams should be an important factor about us. (I couldn't say what any PM's favourite county cricket team or rugby team is, with the exception of Major at Surrey, and nor would I expect to be able to.)

    *Actually lots, but let's not go into that now.
    The last three, excluding Truss, have been cricket / rugby / cricket though, without even the pretence of following a football team (probably for the best). But enjoying a sport doesn't necessarily mean having to support a team in it, even though it usually does.
    Sorry for going back to an earlier point - but I got sidetracked onto your second (and more interesting) sentence. In response to your first - that was my point: it feels like at some point in the past ten years it became ok again for public figures not to have strong feelings about football. 20 years everyone seemed to be required to pick a side, and were mocked if they didn't appear to care strongly enough.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656

    DougSeal said:

    Lucas on BBC. Amazingly, talking about environmental issues.

    I thought she was in the Green Party - what about Trans and Gaza?

    Well your Party

    Has binned the New Green Deal in favour of austerity (same as the Blue Tories)

    Support Zionism without question and cheerleads Genocide in Gaza (like the blue Tories)

    Is all over the place on Trans rights (depends on what is considered most popular)

    Enjoy voting for the Party with Zero principles and rotating policies
    I thought you supported Galloway's bunch now? I lose track.
    Well you aren't paying much attention.

    I have been a member of the Green Party since 2022 and will be voting for them.

    In Rochdale GG was the best option for defeating the GAZA Genocide cheerleaders and the Greens withdrew support for their own Candidate due to Islamophobic tweets.

    Anyway what are you most looking forward to under PM SKS and austerity Reeves

    More NHS privatisation?
    Austerity on stilts?
    Zionism without qualification?
    Not Nationalising water?
    Increasing funding for wars?
    Weekly U Turns on Policy?

    I get it. You're another numpty for whom Gaza matters more than the people you pretended to support for decades - citizens of the UK. How the mask falls.

    It's patently ridiculous; short of invading Israel, we have very little power over them. And the side you are supporting are not any better than Israel - and you can argue worse.

    And the Greens are just as bad as Starmer when it comes to stupidity and inconsistency.
    My top priority is a public Owned and run NHS see number 1 on my list - Greens agree Red and Blue Tories dont
    Not having austerity economics is my 2nd priority - Greens agree Red and Blue Tories dont
    Stopping Genocide is 3rd most important Greens agree Red and Blue Tories dont agree
    Stopping shit in our waters is 4th Greens have a plan both Tory Parties don't
    Prioritising public services over war same applies
    Having strong principles as above Rishi and SKS would sell their Grandmothers

    Hope that helps
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,407

    I see Skybet are running scared by closing down the bet recommended in the header already - shows the bookies take note of this site .The site comes alive for betting at GE and hopefully most posts will be betting related or giving info to be used for bets

    They'll have algos and triggers whenever there's a flurry of bets on anything that skew the book.

    I don't think they directly monitor this site. Exl

    .

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
    There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

    But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.
    I think you need a new word for "woke" Casino. Woke doesn't mean anything.
    *Sighs*
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,728
    Cookie said:

    DougSeal said:

    Lucas on BBC. Amazingly, talking about environmental issues.

    I thought she was in the Green Party - what about Trans and Gaza?

    Well your Party

    Has binned the New Green Deal in favour of austerity (same as the Blue Tories)

    Support Zionism without question and cheerleads Genocide in Gaza (like the blue Tories)

    Is all over the place on Trans rights (depends on what is considered most popular)

    Enjoy voting for the Party with Zero principles and rotating policies
    I thought you supported Galloway's bunch now? I lose track.
    Well you aren't paying much attention.

    I have been a member of the Green Party since 2022 and will be voting for them.

    In Rochdale GG was the best option for defeating the GAZA Genocide cheerleaders and the Greens withdrew support for their own Candidate due to Islamophobic tweets.

    Anyway what are you most looking forward to under PM SKS and austerity Reeves

    More NHS privatisation?
    Austerity on stilts?
    Zionism without qualification?
    Not Nationalising water?
    Increasing funding for wars?
    Weekly U Turns on Policy?

    1) Caring about outcomes rather than ownership models?
    2) Spending the money we have rather than the money we don't?
    3) Not instinctively siding with the thugs from Hamas?
    4) Caring about outcomes rather than ownership models?
    5) I don't even know what you're on about for this one.
    6) Fair point.
    5) Seems to refer to objecting the increase in defence spending, an objection which is obviously completely imbecilic given what's going on in the world, who has started the most recent wars, helped carry out a horrific civil war of and the fact the need to fund defence is a reaction to it.

    Both Labour and the Tories would absolutely rather skimp on defence if they could - it frees up cash for things their different target voters like, but it's fairly clear we can't anymore given what the world's totalitarian states are up to.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,721
    Offtopic: the blue (tit) team are taking a bit of a beating :cry:

    We had ten blue tit eggs in our box and at least 7-8 hatched, I think; we now seem to be down to two live chicks and the parent(s) are busy dismembering and removing the bodies, rather than feeding the two survivors. They're probably at least another week from fledging. Not sure what's happened this year - there's always been some attrition, but always above 50% success from egg -> fledge. Maybe the rain has taken out all the food or something.
  • sbjme19sbjme19 Posts: 194
    Quite surprised Merriman is standing down. Been an OK minister, quite young and v safe seat.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,407
    Quincel said:

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    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
    There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

    But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.
    This is the numbers I've seen. Young men in many countries are demonstrating a right-wing backlash (or at least counter-movement) to the previous trend of young people becoming much more left/liberal than their parents (far more so than typical generational gaps). Young women mostly aren't. Whether young men are acting as they are because of how young women act, or how other parts of society are acting, or a combination of both, is hard to say for sure. But I think some of it is a direct backlash to feeling 'reverse victimised' by gender politics in their generation.

    (Not saying I agree or disagree with them, btw. This is just my observations.)
    The irony is that I don't think (outside a few examples of ultra-liberal organisations) that men are discrimated against. I still see women with confidence issues not putting themselves forward, being more shy in meetings and missing out because they can't travel and network as much.

    However, men do have to go along with the idea that they are privileged and have all the cards/advantages, etc, and are latent sex creeps, which pisses them off. Particularly when they do work hard to get on and are professional.

    A lot of good would be done by just modelling and rewarding good behaviours in organisations and shutting up about all the rest.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    edited May 23

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
    Ah yes, those halcyon days when young women could wander our streets without a care in the world, as all the white men treated them with utter respect and courtesy.
    Go watch the vids
    Shan't. You go and spend a Saturday afternoon, or night, wandering around your stamping ground of Camden and report back on the level of fear you observe in the young women enjoying the buzz of London life. Or even, ask your daughter?
    Yawn

    ""Political scientist Anja Durovic: 'Marine Le Pen has won the loyalty of female voters'

    On the 80th anniversary of French women's right to vote, political scientist Anja Durovic analyzes voting trends by gender. France stands out in Europe because Marine Le Pen performs better among female voters than other far-right politicians."

    https://www.lemonde.fr/en/politics/article/2024/04/21/political-scientist-anja-durovic-marine-le-pen-has-won-the-loyalty-of-female-voters_6669055_5.html

    France is much further down this road than us - five years at least - partly because migration and multiculty are even more of a disaster there than they are here. Also we had Brexit which allowed people to let off steam, but a lot of Leave voters voted Leave to seriously curb immigration, instead - incredibly - it has tripled. The Tories should go extinct for doing this

    Nonetheless I am sure Britain is on the same path, as are many European countries: the young are trending right, even far right, it will be led by young men and then young women will follow. Jews and gays likewise
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,603
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Sandpit said:

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    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
    There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

    But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.
    There’s a massive gender imbalance, young men are trending right and young women trending left.

    Having a large group of dissatisfied young men, doesn’t generally work out too well for any country.
    So... being right-wing a sign of dissatisfaction?
    Dissatisfaction with the status quo, which is left-liberal.
    But women are trending the other way, so the status quo is also conservative? Confusing.
    Support for the status quo isn't a bad working definiton of small-c conservatism.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Meanwhile, Vennells vs Beer should be the subject of an almighty volume of popcorn.

    The Post Office could have avoided a “lost decade” before wrongful convictions were uncovered if more cases were reviewed, Paula Vennells said today.

    In an email dated July 2013 that year, the former Post Office chief executive asked for thoughts on why all cases of false accounting “eg over the last 5-10 years” would not be reviewed.

    Lead counsel to the Horizon inquiry Jason Beer KC asked: “Do you agree your nascent idea here of a review of all prosecutions of false accounting, if it had been carried into effect, may have avoided a lost decade until miscarriages of justice were discovered?”

    Ms Vennells paused for a short moment before responding: “It may well have done. It may well have done.”

    Responses to the same email showed the Post Office’s then-director of communications warning that such a decision could lead to the “story” becoming “front page news”.

    In her response Ms Vennells said: “You are right to call this out. And I will take your steer. [sic] no issue.”

    However, when asked about the exchange, Ms Vennells said she “absolutely” did not accept that she took a decision to not review past cases “based on a media outcome”. She added: “I didn’t take any decision on that, I wouldn’t have been able to do so.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/23/post-office-inquiry-paula-vennells-second-day-questioning/

    She seemed way out of her depth and weak as a CEO.
    She gave the impression of being a middle manager complaining about the direction the company was taking and the things it was doing. Except that she was the CEO, and getting the big money to effect change and stop them doing the bad stuff.

    If you take that pay cheque you deserve to be held accountable, and boy is Jason Beer holding her accountable.
    In her biography, serialised in a glossy magazine, a couple of years from now, Jason Beer will be a bullying, misogynistic thug. She only got through this terribly unfair ordeal by thinking of our Saviour. And how he, like her, suffered For Us All.
    That’s Sir Jason to you.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061
    eek said:

    Scathing from Nikki Haley:

    https://x.com/nikkihaley/status/1793380961012388094

    “Look at what Biden has done in Ukraine. He did nothing to deter the invasion. He assumed Ukraine would fall within days.
     
    While the Ukrainians have proven to be amazing fighters, Biden refuses to help them win. He gives them just enough to survive, while Russian missiles and tanks grind their country to dust.”

    Um wasn't the last delivery of equipment to the Ukraine blocked by Republicans in Congress for months...
    Similarly.
    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1793586386513330548

    The GOP seems to have Vennells levels of recall when it comes to what they voted for in Congress.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061

    Scathing from Nikki Haley:

    https://x.com/nikkihaley/status/1793380961012388094

    “Look at what Biden has done in Ukraine. He did nothing to deter the invasion. He assumed Ukraine would fall within days.
     
    While the Ukrainians have proven to be amazing fighters, Biden refuses to help them win. He gives them just enough to survive, while Russian missiles and tanks grind their country to dust.”

    Whereas Trump would do what exactly?
    We know what, from the way in which he directed Congressional Republicans to vote on aid to Ukraine.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061

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    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
    There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

    But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.
    France is relatively less split along gender lines than other countries:

    image
    Graph there explains the disastrous birthrate in S Korea.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,938
    Leon said:

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    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
    There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

    But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.
    "The march of Europe’s right-wing women"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-march-of-europes-right-wing-women/

    The same thing will happen to gay people - Pym Fortuyn was an early adopter, and it has already happened to Jews

    People realise that these multicultural socities we are building, based on identity politics, are actually quite hostile places for Jews, gays, young white women, young white men
    52% of British Muslims want to make homosexuality illegal, compared to 11% of the general population - https://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/11/europe/britain-muslims-survey/index.html

    It is why I find the "queers for Palestine" types so confusing. I do know some pretty liberal types from the Middle East, but they are generally from the rich and well educated set. Contrast that to the hundreds of thousands of less enlightened types from the patriarchal, homophobic and antisemitic crowd we seem to be happy to import per year, and there is trouble ahead.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
    There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

    But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.
    France is relatively less split along gender lines than other countries:

    image
    Graph there explains the disastrous birthrate in S Korea.
    The American graph is also quite spectacular. Britian usually follows America
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061
    "I do not recall" again recalls exactly what she meant in an email that says something completely different:

    Jason Beer KC displays a note where Vennells had written that general counsel Susan Crichton was more loyal to her professional conduct requirements and put her integrity as a lawyer above the interests of the business.

    When had Crichton done that, asks the barrister.

    "I wrote this completely wrongly," replies Vennells, adding that she intended to say Crichton had two parts to her role, one to her professional responsibilities as a qualified lawyer and another to the Post Office as a businesses.

    The former CEO says she meant to express that Crichton hadn't led the project management side of the Second Sight review "as well as she could have done".

    "I'm genuinely very, very sorry, I did not mean this in the way that it could be read," says Vennells.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,721

    .

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
    There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

    But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.
    France is relatively less split along gender lines than other countries:

    image
    UK is fascinating, but but the text says - outwith US - it's measured by support for conservative and liberal political parties. Pre-Cameron the Cons were pretty conservative, as measured, I guess. But post-2010 Cons look fairly liberal, so does that switch explain the sudden jump in support? It also limits the scope for measuring more conservatism in a FPTP system with few parties unless one of the big ones is seen to have gone conservative.

    I don't know how the conservatism/liberalism of parties is measured here, but it seems a odd way to go about it. BES may itself have more direct questions, but if not there are plenty of other UK surverys that would - e.g. ONS Opinions and Lifestyle Survey.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,978
    Looks who has popped up,

    Peter Mandelson fears he inadvertently caused Rishi Sunak to call a snap July election
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2OoRb_uAa4
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656
    Cookie said:

    DougSeal said:

    Lucas on BBC. Amazingly, talking about environmental issues.

    I thought she was in the Green Party - what about Trans and Gaza?

    Well your Party

    Has binned the New Green Deal in favour of austerity (same as the Blue Tories)

    Support Zionism without question and cheerleads Genocide in Gaza (like the blue Tories)

    Is all over the place on Trans rights (depends on what is considered most popular)

    Enjoy voting for the Party with Zero principles and rotating policies
    I thought you supported Galloway's bunch now? I lose track.
    Well you aren't paying much attention.

    I have been a member of the Green Party since 2022 and will be voting for them.

    In Rochdale GG was the best option for defeating the GAZA Genocide cheerleaders and the Greens withdrew support for their own Candidate due to Islamophobic tweets.

    Anyway what are you most looking forward to under PM SKS and austerity Reeves

    More NHS privatisation?
    Austerity on stilts?
    Zionism without qualification?
    Not Nationalising water?
    Increasing funding for wars?
    Weekly U Turns on Policy?

    1) Caring about outcomes rather than ownership models?
    2) Spending the money we have rather than the money we don't?
    3) Not instinctively siding with the thugs from Hamas?
    4) Caring about outcomes rather than ownership models?
    5) I don't even know what you're on about for this one.
    6) Fair point.
    1)Not wasting taxpayer funds on cherry picking wasteful Private Health Companies
    2) We do have money its about priorities
    3) Not instinctively siding with IDF Thugs and self identified Fascists
    4) Private water Companies have failed every outcome measure and now what to raise bills by 35% to 75%
    5) Increasing defence spending ahead of public services spending (its not Trident rocket science)
    6)SKS fans wont agree its a fair point
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,044
    edited May 23

    Wonder if this will divert Labour resources from Brighton Pavilion?

    I'm standing agains Lloyd Russell-Moyle #POW #PartyOfWomen #GeneralElection

    https://x.com/theposieparker/status/1793630485157200160?

    Russel-Misogynist is in the adjacent Brighton Kemptown constituency - with a majority of 8,000.

    Who is Party of Women? They're not the Women's Equality Party, I think...?

    Anyway, I doubt she'll have any impact. People don't generally understand what it takes to win a Commons seat.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,978
    edited May 23
    Just add a factor into men moving rightwards...girls have been far outperforming boys at school, white boys in particular, which leads to better degrees, which leads to better job opportunities, which can lead to resentment of the status quo and all the stuff about (white) men having privilege etc.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098

    Selebian said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @paulwaugh

    After his rain-soaked launch, Rishi Sunak has so far today:
    - asked Welsh workers if they're looking forward to 'all the football' [not realising Wales not in Euro2024]
    - had 2 Tory cllrs cosplaying as members of public to ask him Qs

    It's only Day 2.

    Football doesn't seem to be such a big part of football as it used to be, does it? In the 90s and noughties, the football team the PM supported was an important fact that everyone had to know. There may have been an Only Connect round on it - Chelsea, Newcastle United, Raith Rovers, Aston Villa. But who did TMay suuport? Boris? Rishi? I couldn't say.

    Which is probably healthy, really. Nothing* intrinsically wrong with football, but it strikes me as daft that our favourite football teams should be an important factor about us. (I couldn't say what any PM's favourite county cricket team or rugby team is, with the exception of Major at Surrey, and nor would I expect to be able to.)



    *Actually lots, but let's not go into that now.
    Sunak supports Southampton.

    I wonder if he will be at the playoff final this weekend.
    Leeds lads will give him a warm welcome
    I coach a local U7 team; we have a couple of lads in Leeds Academy too. One of them, just getting started last year, used to bawl his eyes out lying on the floor whenever he was on the losing team - first time it happened I thought he'd got some kind of bad injury that I'd missed! As his mum put it (last season), "he's a Leeds Utd fan, he'll have to learn how to cope with losing!"

    Good to see them back in the mix for top flight next year.
    LEEDS LEEDS LEEDS!!!

    Not that I'm particularly a fan of football, but it would be nice for them to go back up. I was touched by how happy my mate was to have got a ticket for the final.

    You might know this - for the second leg against Norwich at Elland Road they put a scarf on each home fan's seat - apparently it was an amazing site to see them all held aloft.
    Yes I'd rather Sheff Wed but Leeds back in the top flight would be good to see.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401

    Looks who has popped up,

    Peter Mandelson fears he inadvertently caused Rishi Sunak to call a snap July election
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2OoRb_uAa4

    Thats what happens when your sacrificing chickens and sticking pins in voodoo dolls at the same time.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    edited May 23
    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
    There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

    But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.
    "The march of Europe’s right-wing women"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-march-of-europes-right-wing-women/

    The same thing will happen to gay people - Pym Fortuyn was an early adopter, and it has already happened to Jews

    People realise that these multicultural socities we are building, based on identity politics, are actually quite hostile places for Jews, gays, young white women, young white men
    52% of British Muslims want to make homosexuality illegal, compared to 11% of the general population - https://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/11/europe/britain-muslims-survey/index.html

    It is why I find the "queers for Palestine" types so confusing. I do know some pretty liberal types from the Middle East, but they are generally from the rich and well educated set. Contrast that to the hundreds of thousands of less enlightened types from the patriarchal, homophobic and antisemitic crowd we seem to be happy to import per year, and there is trouble ahead.
    I have a couple of gay friends in their 50s. They have been staunchly left-liberal all their lives, pro-immigration, Remainery, we nearly came to blows over Brexit!

    In the last 5 years, especially the last 2-3, I've noticed their politics on migration have shifted considerably. They are much much more critical. They never spell it out but I am pretty sure they see that we are importing homophobia

    Now, you could say that's just the normal tendency to conservatism as people age, but it isn't. Because on all other issues they are as left wing as ever. From Brexit to economics

    So I think this is a cultural shift, and it makes total sense. They are just idiots for not realising before: mass immigration from homophobic societies is going to be really really bad for gay people, in the end
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,767
    Sandpit said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
    There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

    But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.
    There’s a massive gender imbalance, young men are trending right and young women trending left.

    Having a large group of dissatisfied young men, doesn’t generally work out too well for any country.
    Based on my teenage children and their friends I'd say young women are extremely left/liberal and young men are much more apolitical. The chart showing young women as very left wing and young men as moderately left wing looks about right, for this country at least. Perhaps not in France, but they have always been nuts.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    BEXHILL & BATTLE: Huw Merriman steps down as an MP.

    https://x.com/tomorrowsmps/status/1793668163009180092
  • eekeek Posts: 28,366
    It’s niche but it seems that the latest tax policy blog post https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2024/05/23/the-kc-who-sold-a-hopeless-tax-avoidance-scheme-without-declaring-a-conflict-of-interest/ puts Ed Davey very close to a completely hopeless tax avoidance scheme
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,773
    sbjme19 said:

    Quite surprised Merriman is standing down. Been an OK minister, quite young and v safe seat.

    I rate him quite highly.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,274
    edited May 23
    Nigel's put out a damage limitation video lol

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1793664225614655826

    It really is quite funny to watch REF imploding on day one.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,044
    rcs1000 said:

    As we're doing predictions, my constituency - in the UK - is in a constituency where I think I can say is truly a bellweather: Holborn and St Pancras. So bellweathery is it, that I think that the winner of the seat likely be Prime Minister.

    And candidly, it's a toss up: will it be the Liberal Democrat's Charlie Clinton, Reform's Dave Roberts, or possibly even Labour's Keir Starmer.

    Going out on a limb here: I'm calling it for Starmer.

    I have been expelled from Holborn & St Pancras due to boundary changes. I'm now in the reconstituted Hampstead & Highgate, where I expect the seat to be won by the niece of one of the most successful prime ministers of our time.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189

    Scathing from Nikki Haley:

    https://x.com/nikkihaley/status/1793380961012388094

    “Look at what Biden has done in Ukraine. He did nothing to deter the invasion. He assumed Ukraine would fall within days.
     
    While the Ukrainians have proven to be amazing fighters, Biden refuses to help them win. He gives them just enough to survive, while Russian missiles and tanks grind their country to dust.”

    She is aware that her guy isn’t even going to give them enough to survive. You can’t attack someone for doing nothing if your lot intends to do less.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061
    Nigelb said:

    "I do not recall" again recalls exactly what she meant in an email that says something completely different:

    Jason Beer KC displays a note where Vennells had written that general counsel Susan Crichton was more loyal to her professional conduct requirements and put her integrity as a lawyer above the interests of the business.

    When had Crichton done that, asks the barrister.

    "I wrote this completely wrongly," replies Vennells, adding that she intended to say Crichton had two parts to her role, one to her professional responsibilities as a qualified lawyer and another to the Post Office as a businesses.

    The former CEO says she meant to express that Crichton hadn't led the project management side of the Second Sight review "as well as she could have done".

    "I'm genuinely very, very sorry, I did not mean this in the way that it could be read," says Vennells.

    Though selective lack of recall can strike again regarding emails:

    ..Continuing to press Vennells on the theme of seeking to control the narrative, Beer draws attention to an email she sent to a group of senior Post Office executives.

    The email refers to comments from her "engineer/computer literate husband" who gave a "non-emotive" alternative word for computer bugs or glitches.

    Vennells set out in the email that he suggested to use the word exception or anomaly or even conditional exception/anomaly.

    Beer asks Vennells this afternoon whether she considered the words bugs or glitches to be emotive.

    Vennells says she's not sure why she used the term emotive. She adds that at the time, although it turned out to be wrong, she had thought the two concerned bugs had been fixed and she was trying to avoid any misinterpretation in relation to the work by Second Sight and the Horizon computer system.

    "I should not have sent the email," she says...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    edited May 23

    rcs1000 said:

    As we're doing predictions, my constituency - in the UK - is in a constituency where I think I can say is truly a bellweather: Holborn and St Pancras. So bellweathery is it, that I think that the winner of the seat likely be Prime Minister.

    And candidly, it's a toss up: will it be the Liberal Democrat's Charlie Clinton, Reform's Dave Roberts, or possibly even Labour's Keir Starmer.

    Going out on a limb here: I'm calling it for Starmer.

    I have been expelled from Holborn & St Pancras due to boundary changes. I'm now in the reconstituted Hampstead & Highgate, where I expect the seat to be won by the niece of one of the most successful prime ministers of our time.
    I'm not just voting in Camden, I am actually standing in Camden as the Donald Trump Appreciation Party, and I reckon I can run Starmer close. There's a lot of quiet, unspoken supoort for the Donald in the southeast part of my flat, near the fridge
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656
    Todays news from the hustings

    SKS Keir confirms Labour will not scrap the 2-child benefit cap

    A ‘no’ to lifting 250k children out of poverty

    SKS shocks us with the news his Dad was a Toolmaker (never a truer word) and his mother a nurse (i am sure she would be proud of SKS taking donations from private health lobbyists and the consequent expansion of NHS private sector involvement policy)
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,044

    DougSeal said:

    Lucas on BBC. Amazingly, talking about environmental issues.

    I thought she was in the Green Party - what about Trans and Gaza?

    Well your Party

    Has binned the New Green Deal in favour of austerity (same as the Blue Tories)

    Support Zionism without question and cheerleads Genocide in Gaza (like the blue Tories)

    Is all over the place on Trans rights (depends on what is considered most popular)

    Enjoy voting for the Party with Zero principles and rotating policies
    I thought you supported Galloway's bunch now? I lose track.
    Well you aren't paying much attention.

    I have been a member of the Green Party since 2022 and will be voting for them.

    In Rochdale GG was the best option for defeating the GAZA Genocide cheerleaders and the Greens withdrew support for their own Candidate due to Islamophobic tweets.

    Anyway what are you most looking forward to under PM SKS and austerity Reeves

    More NHS privatisation?
    Austerity on stilts?
    Zionism without qualification?
    Not Nationalising water?
    Increasing funding for wars?
    Weekly U Turns on Policy?

    What sort of qualification do you need for Zionism? Would an A'level be enough, or do you need a degree in it?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,664
    edited May 23
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    "I do not recall" again recalls exactly what she meant in an email that says something completely different:

    Jason Beer KC displays a note where Vennells had written that general counsel Susan Crichton was more loyal to her professional conduct requirements and put her integrity as a lawyer above the interests of the business.

    When had Crichton done that, asks the barrister.

    "I wrote this completely wrongly," replies Vennells, adding that she intended to say Crichton had two parts to her role, one to her professional responsibilities as a qualified lawyer and another to the Post Office as a businesses.

    The former CEO says she meant to express that Crichton hadn't led the project management side of the Second Sight review "as well as she could have done".

    "I'm genuinely very, very sorry, I did not mean this in the way that it could be read," says Vennells.

    Though selective lack of recall can strike again regarding emails:

    ..Continuing to press Vennells on the theme of seeking to control the narrative, Beer draws attention to an email she sent to a group of senior Post Office executives.

    The email refers to comments from her "engineer/computer literate husband" who gave a "non-emotive" alternative word for computer bugs or glitches.

    Vennells set out in the email that he suggested to use the word exception or anomaly or even conditional exception/anomaly.

    Beer asks Vennells this afternoon whether she considered the words bugs or glitches to be emotive.

    Vennells says she's not sure why she used the term emotive. She adds that at the time, although it turned out to be wrong, she had thought the two concerned bugs had been fixed and she was trying to avoid any misinterpretation in relation to the work by Second Sight and the Horizon computer system.

    "I should not have sent the email," she says...
    I thought this exchange was quite funny:

    JB: "So it was a misunderstanding between you and the keyboard?"
    PV: "What?"
    JB: "The keyboard you were typing on"
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,344
    GIN1138 said:

    Nigel's put out a damage limitation video lol

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1793664225614655826

    It really is quite funny to watch REF imploding on day one.

    Farage would likely have won Clacton, had he stood there.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656

    DougSeal said:

    Lucas on BBC. Amazingly, talking about environmental issues.

    I thought she was in the Green Party - what about Trans and Gaza?

    Well your Party

    Has binned the New Green Deal in favour of austerity (same as the Blue Tories)

    Support Zionism without question and cheerleads Genocide in Gaza (like the blue Tories)

    Is all over the place on Trans rights (depends on what is considered most popular)

    Enjoy voting for the Party with Zero principles and rotating policies
    I thought you supported Galloway's bunch now? I lose track.
    Well you aren't paying much attention.

    I have been a member of the Green Party since 2022 and will be voting for them.

    In Rochdale GG was the best option for defeating the GAZA Genocide cheerleaders and the Greens withdrew support for their own Candidate due to Islamophobic tweets.

    Anyway what are you most looking forward to under PM SKS and austerity Reeves

    More NHS privatisation?
    Austerity on stilts?
    Zionism without qualification?
    Not Nationalising water?
    Increasing funding for wars?
    Weekly U Turns on Policy?

    What sort of qualification do you need for Zionism? Would an A'level be enough, or do you need a degree in it?
    Think you just need to expel the wrong kind of Jews and you qualify
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,212
    IanB2 said:

    a

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Scott_xP said:

    @Scott_xP

    I refer you to the first post of this thread and the limit on the number of embedded photos.

    You need to clarify the distinction between embedded and linked
    And you, the distinction between one and more than one.
    Thus far my embedded photo count stands at zero
    No it doesn't.

    Any embed either via Vanilla or via a website link counts as an embed.

    Vanilla overall sees it as an image then eventually starts shrinking/blurring all photos.
    That makes zero sense - but hey it's Vanilla and a lot of the things they do make no sense.
    Indeed, they didn't tell us they were hiding the view likes, it was only thanks to BenPointer having a look on the Vanilla website that he made me aware of the fix.
    Don't tell me - if you want to have lots of people posting lots of the photos, you have to pay Vanilla lots of money?

    With this new system, the pressure is certainly now on to find a decent photo every day
    The penalising photos based on non-hosted images indicates that they want someone to pay them for the right to post images.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656
    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @paulwaugh

    After his rain-soaked launch, Rishi Sunak has so far today:
    - asked Welsh workers if they're looking forward to 'all the football' [not realising Wales not in Euro2024]
    - had 2 Tory cllrs cosplaying as members of public to ask him Qs

    It's only Day 2.

    Football doesn't seem to be such a big part of football as it used to be, does it? In the 90s and noughties, the football team the PM supported was an important fact that everyone had to know. There may have been an Only Connect round on it - Chelsea, Newcastle United, Raith Rovers, Aston Villa. But who did TMay suuport? Boris? Rishi? I couldn't say.

    Which is probably healthy, really. Nothing* intrinsically wrong with football, but it strikes me as daft that our favourite football teams should be an important factor about us. (I couldn't say what any PM's favourite county cricket team or rugby team is, with the exception of Major at Surrey, and nor would I expect to be able to.)



    *Actually lots, but let's not go into that now.
    Sunak supports Southampton.

    I wonder if he will be at the playoff final this weekend.
    Leeds lads will give him a warm welcome
    I coach a local U7 team; we have a couple of lads in Leeds Academy too. One of them, just getting started last year, used to bawl his eyes out lying on the floor whenever he was on the losing team - first time it happened I thought he'd got some kind of bad injury that I'd missed! As his mum put it (last season), "he's a Leeds Utd fan, he'll have to learn how to cope with losing!"

    Good to see them back in the mix for top flight next year.
    LEEDS LEEDS LEEDS!!!

    Not that I'm particularly a fan of football, but it would be nice for them to go back up. I was touched by how happy my mate was to have got a ticket for the final.

    You might know this - for the second leg against Norwich at Elland Road they put a scarf on each home fan's seat - apparently it was an amazing site to see them all held aloft.
    Yes I'd rather Sheff Wed but Leeds back in the top flight would be good to see.
    I concur with your first half of your post
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Cookie said:

    sbjme19 said:

    Quite surprised Merriman is standing down. Been an OK minister, quite young and v safe seat.

    I rate him quite highly.
    He's still only 50. Young enough for a shortish but lucratiive second career earning lots more than he would earn doing the boring slog of an opposition MP on MPs pay (not a miinister's pay, as now). Not surprising he's bolted
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,044
    eek said:

    It’s niche but it seems that the latest tax policy blog post https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2024/05/23/the-kc-who-sold-a-hopeless-tax-avoidance-scheme-without-declaring-a-conflict-of-interest/ puts Ed Davey very close to a completely hopeless tax avoidance scheme

    What does that have to do with Davey?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,344
    I was under the impression that slavery had been abolished for 20 years, prior to 1853.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Sean_F said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Nigel's put out a damage limitation video lol

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1793664225614655826

    It really is quite funny to watch REF imploding on day one.

    Farage would likely have won Clacton, had he stood there.
    Maybe, but he’s decided that scooting round the airwaves tending his ego is more in his wheelhouse than scrapping for votes.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128

    Can anybody smell bullshit?

    Nigel Farage ‘was all set to run as MP’ but changed mind over early election
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/23/nigel-farage-says-he-will-not-stand-in-general-election/

    Isn't Our Nige a friend of Mr Trump, picking up his "testify ... testify ... testify ... no - can't, mummy, save me" habit.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401
    Sean_F said:

    I was under the impression that slavery had been abolished for 20 years, prior to 1853.
    Im just amazed the old calvinists still have principles.

    If only we could fit Welby with a backbone,,,,
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,549

    DougSeal said:

    Lucas on BBC. Amazingly, talking about environmental issues.

    I thought she was in the Green Party - what about Trans and Gaza?

    Well your Party

    Has binned the New Green Deal in favour of austerity (same as the Blue Tories)

    Support Zionism without question and cheerleads Genocide in Gaza (like the blue Tories)

    Is all over the place on Trans rights (depends on what is considered most popular)

    Enjoy voting for the Party with Zero principles and rotating policies
    I thought you supported Galloway's bunch now? I lose track.
    Well you aren't paying much attention.

    I have been a member of the Green Party since 2022 and will be voting for them.

    In Rochdale GG was the best option for defeating the GAZA Genocide cheerleaders and the Greens withdrew support for their own Candidate due to Islamophobic tweets.

    Anyway what are you most looking forward to under PM SKS and austerity Reeves

    More NHS privatisation?
    Austerity on stilts?
    Zionism without qualification?
    Not Nationalising water?
    Increasing funding for wars?
    Weekly U Turns on Policy?

    I get it. You're another numpty for whom Gaza matters more than the people you pretended to support for decades - citizens of the UK. How the mask falls.

    It's patently ridiculous; short of invading Israel, we have very little power over them. And the side you are supporting are not any better than Israel - and you can argue worse.

    And the Greens are just as bad as Starmer when it comes to stupidity and inconsistency.
    My top priority is a public Owned and run NHS see number 1 on my list - Greens agree Red and Blue Tories dont
    Not having austerity economics is my 2nd priority - Greens agree Red and Blue Tories dont
    Stopping Genocide is 3rd most important Greens agree Red and Blue Tories dont agree
    Stopping shit in our waters is 4th Greens have a plan both Tory Parties don't
    Prioritising public services over war same applies
    Having strong principles as above Rishi and SKS would sell their Grandmothers

    Hope that helps
    No, because history shows that the Greens won't do what they say at first; if it means gaining votes.

    You treat them as though they are some unique force of virtue. They are not; quite the opposite. And I think you're on the same team as @Dura_Ace as well... ;)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    First poll post call is out
    MORE IN COMMON
    Lab 44(+1)
    Con 27 (-)
    Ref 10 (-1)
    Ld 9 (-)
    Green 5 (-1 )
    SnP 3
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,773
    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @paulwaugh

    After his rain-soaked launch, Rishi Sunak has so far today:
    - asked Welsh workers if they're looking forward to 'all the football' [not realising Wales not in Euro2024]
    - had 2 Tory cllrs cosplaying as members of public to ask him Qs

    It's only Day 2.

    Football doesn't seem to be such a big part of football as it used to be, does it? In the 90s and noughties, the football team the PM supported was an important fact that everyone had to know. There may have been an Only Connect round on it - Chelsea, Newcastle United, Raith Rovers, Aston Villa. But who did TMay suuport? Boris? Rishi? I couldn't say.

    Which is probably healthy, really. Nothing* intrinsically wrong with football, but it strikes me as daft that our favourite football teams should be an important factor about us. (I couldn't say what any PM's favourite county cricket team or rugby team is, with the exception of Major at Surrey, and nor would I expect to be able to.)



    *Actually lots, but let's not go into that now.
    Sunak supports Southampton.

    I wonder if he will be at the playoff final this weekend.
    Leeds lads will give him a warm welcome
    I coach a local U7 team; we have a couple of lads in Leeds Academy too. One of them, just getting started last year, used to bawl his eyes out lying on the floor whenever he was on the losing team - first time it happened I thought he'd got some kind of bad injury that I'd missed! As his mum put it (last season), "he's a Leeds Utd fan, he'll have to learn how to cope with losing!"

    Good to see them back in the mix for top flight next year.
    LEEDS LEEDS LEEDS!!!

    Not that I'm particularly a fan of football, but it would be nice for them to go back up. I was touched by how happy my mate was to have got a ticket for the final.

    You might know this - for the second leg against Norwich at Elland Road they put a scarf on each home fan's seat - apparently it was an amazing site to see them all held aloft.
    Yes I'd rather Sheff Wed but Leeds back in the top flight would be good to see.
    One of my favourite things about football (let's give the sport some credit for a change) has been its, on the whole, stubborn refusal to go in for the Americanisation of team names. You don't make the game any more exciting or get any more supporters for changing the name for Hull City to Hull Tigers (a proposal which was happily kicked firmly into the long grass) nor Bradford Northern to Bradford Bulls. It is marketing, change for change's sake, and I am suspicious of both, so well done to football for keeping this sort of thing to an absolute minimum. (I still lament slightly every time I hear the name Leicester City that they saw fit to change from the singular and excellent Leicester Fosse.)
    But even in this stolidly conservative field, Sheffield Wednesday is worth celebrating. It does not claim to be a wild animal, nor celebrate the virtues of togetherness, nor imply any sort of sporting ability, nor commemorate any martial connection, nor even note civic status. It doesn't even point to an obscure bit of geography. It simply celebrates a day of the week. Arguably the most boring day of the week. A name to baffle Americans, and who could not get behind that? (Obviously it would be even better with their previous name of 'The Wednesday', as if Wednesday could ever meaningfully have a definite article. But still.)
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Passengers and crew onboard a Singapore Airlines flight that hit extreme turbulence over Asia suffered skull, brain and spinal injuries, the head of a Bangkok hospital has said.

    Twenty people remain in intensive care in the Thai capital, where flight SQ321 made an emergency landing on Tuesday after the terrifying high-altitude ordeal.

    They include six Britons, six Malaysians, three Australians, two Singaporeans and one person each from Hong Kong, New Zealand, and the Philippines, he said.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/23/passengers-suffer-brain-and-spinal-injuries-on-singapore-flight-hit-by-extreme-turbulence
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189

    First poll post call is out
    MORE IN COMMON
    Lab 44(+1)
    Con 27 (-)
    Ref 10 (-1)
    Ld 9 (-)
    Green 5 (-1 )
    SnP 3

    Might take a day or so for people to catch up to the news and for it to show up in polls.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    IanB2 said:

    a

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Scott_xP said:

    @Scott_xP

    I refer you to the first post of this thread and the limit on the number of embedded photos.

    You need to clarify the distinction between embedded and linked
    And you, the distinction between one and more than one.
    Thus far my embedded photo count stands at zero
    No it doesn't.

    Any embed either via Vanilla or via a website link counts as an embed.

    Vanilla overall sees it as an image then eventually starts shrinking/blurring all photos.
    That makes zero sense - but hey it's Vanilla and a lot of the things they do make no sense.
    Indeed, they didn't tell us they were hiding the view likes, it was only thanks to BenPointer having a look on the Vanilla website that he made me aware of the fix.
    Don't tell me - if you want to have lots of people posting lots of the photos, you have to pay Vanilla lots of money?

    With this new system, the pressure is certainly now on to find a decent photo every day
    The penalising photos based on non-hosted images indicates that they want someone to pay them for the right to post images.
    Let me catch up: so Vanilla are penalising any photos, even photos via a website link from a different site? Tsk! Wankers

  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,773

    Todays news from the hustings

    SKS Keir confirms Labour will not scrap the 2-child benefit cap

    A ‘no’ to lifting 250k children out of poverty

    SKS shocks us with the news his Dad was a Toolmaker (never a truer word) and his mother a nurse (i am sure she would be proud of SKS taking donations from private health lobbyists and the consequent expansion of NHS private sector involvement policy)

    Why does the ownership model of the NHS matter so much to you? Surely the quality of healthcare delivered is the more important measure? On which basis, the UK, with its singular system, is middling. Nationalised healthcare has its virtues - chiefly value for money, I think - but it would be hard to claim that our model has given us any particular advantage which changing it threatens to erode.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    We do not need Dirty Leeds in the Premier League.

    Like Rishi Sunak I will be cheering on Southampton on Sunday.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,549
    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @paulwaugh

    After his rain-soaked launch, Rishi Sunak has so far today:
    - asked Welsh workers if they're looking forward to 'all the football' [not realising Wales not in Euro2024]
    - had 2 Tory cllrs cosplaying as members of public to ask him Qs

    It's only Day 2.

    Football doesn't seem to be such a big part of football as it used to be, does it? In the 90s and noughties, the football team the PM supported was an important fact that everyone had to know. There may have been an Only Connect round on it - Chelsea, Newcastle United, Raith Rovers, Aston Villa. But who did TMay suuport? Boris? Rishi? I couldn't say.

    Which is probably healthy, really. Nothing* intrinsically wrong with football, but it strikes me as daft that our favourite football teams should be an important factor about us. (I couldn't say what any PM's favourite county cricket team or rugby team is, with the exception of Major at Surrey, and nor would I expect to be able to.)

    *Actually lots, but let's not go into that now.
    The last three, excluding Truss, have been cricket / rugby / cricket though, without even the pretence of following a football team (probably for the best). But enjoying a sport doesn't necessarily mean having to support a team in it, even though it usually does.
    Quite - I quite admire sports which people will watch without really caring who wins (or even knowing who they will see before they turn up). Tennis and snooker fall into this category. (I'm sadly immune to the charms of tennis, but I do like snooker.)

    Personally, I'd watch a rugby match - union or league - no matter who was playing, and can enjoy it without caring who wins. Cricket, though, I need to pick a side. Football is an easier watch if I genuinely don't care who wins - if I do it will only make me sad or angry.


    I think Athletics is the ultimate sport for not caring who wins but very watchable. Maybe its the pureness of it. Even the team relays are hard to get too partisan about - You just want to see the best whoever lines up .
    Athletics gets me most emotional though of any sport - Bolt at his best , Jo Pavey winning the 10K (just watch and listen to the youtube commentary on this!!) , Jessica Ennis
    Almost nothing beats the 100m final at the Olympics, it’s the ultimate pure human challenge. For what’s now quite a bit less than ten seconds.

    I suspect that, barring injury, that all eight runners will be under 10s for the first time ever.
    (Eight of nine under 10s has been done already, albeit wind-assisted https://sports.yahoo.com/andre-de-grasse-100-meter-dash-field-sub-10-second-finish-233229031.html)
    Nah, the 100 metres is for specialist freaks. I quite like the multisports; triathlon; decathalon etc. Winter sports do it better, with the biathlon. I wonder why I like that... ;)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,978
    edited May 23
    If we do get any debates, do you think we get Ed thingy and Tice, or just the boreathon of Sunak vs Starmer?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362
    What a crock. They are expected to apologise for something that happened in 1844. They should just tell these people demanding an apology to do one.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,344
    "Perhaps not all is lost" is surprisingly upbeat.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,549
    edited May 23
    The Roger view of Paula Vennells, from yesterday.

    "Watching her today made me realize what a cruel place we live in. I don't believe she deliberately set about trying to ruin the lives of innocent people but somehow we can't free ourselves from the ghoulish delight of public humiliation. Watching Alex Thompson of Ch4 News lifting her umbrella as she tried to leave the court so he could bully her further was almost unwatchable."

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/05/22/sunaks-decision-looks-even-more-courageous/
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042

    eek said:

    It’s niche but it seems that the latest tax policy blog post https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2024/05/23/the-kc-who-sold-a-hopeless-tax-avoidance-scheme-without-declaring-a-conflict-of-interest/ puts Ed Davey very close to a completely hopeless tax avoidance scheme

    What does that have to do with Davey?
    The footnotes at the end. Davey publicly defended the barrister being accused of dodginess when allegations were made. I agree with the footnotes: It's not clear why he felt any loyalty given the situation. There's no reason to believe he was involved or profiting from the 'avoidance' scheme, it was probably naivete and a reflexive defensiveness which comes from being in politics and getting used to bad faith attacks as a matter of course.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @paulwaugh

    After his rain-soaked launch, Rishi Sunak has so far today:
    - asked Welsh workers if they're looking forward to 'all the football' [not realising Wales not in Euro2024]
    - had 2 Tory cllrs cosplaying as members of public to ask him Qs

    It's only Day 2.

    Football doesn't seem to be such a big part of football as it used to be, does it? In the 90s and noughties, the football team the PM supported was an important fact that everyone had to know. There may have been an Only Connect round on it - Chelsea, Newcastle United, Raith Rovers, Aston Villa. But who did TMay suuport? Boris? Rishi? I couldn't say.

    Which is probably healthy, really. Nothing* intrinsically wrong with football, but it strikes me as daft that our favourite football teams should be an important factor about us. (I couldn't say what any PM's favourite county cricket team or rugby team is, with the exception of Major at Surrey, and nor would I expect to be able to.)



    *Actually lots, but let's not go into that now.
    Sunak supports Southampton.

    I wonder if he will be at the playoff final this weekend.
    Leeds lads will give him a warm welcome
    I coach a local U7 team; we have a couple of lads in Leeds Academy too. One of them, just getting started last year, used to bawl his eyes out lying on the floor whenever he was on the losing team - first time it happened I thought he'd got some kind of bad injury that I'd missed! As his mum put it (last season), "he's a Leeds Utd fan, he'll have to learn how to cope with losing!"

    Good to see them back in the mix for top flight next year.
    LEEDS LEEDS LEEDS!!!

    Not that I'm particularly a fan of football, but it would be nice for them to go back up. I was touched by how happy my mate was to have got a ticket for the final.

    You might know this - for the second leg against Norwich at Elland Road they put a scarf on each home fan's seat - apparently it was an amazing site to see them all held aloft.
    Yes I'd rather Sheff Wed but Leeds back in the top flight would be good to see.
    One of my favourite things about football (let's give the sport some credit for a change) has been its, on the whole, stubborn refusal to go in for the Americanisation of team names. You don't make the game any more exciting or get any more supporters for changing the name for Hull City to Hull Tigers (a proposal which was happily kicked firmly into the long grass) nor Bradford Northern to Bradford Bulls. It is marketing, change for change's sake, and I am suspicious of both, so well done to football for keeping this sort of thing to an absolute minimum. (I still lament slightly every time I hear the name Leicester City that they saw fit to change from the singular and excellent Leicester Fosse.)
    But even in this stolidly conservative field, Sheffield Wednesday is worth celebrating. It does not claim to be a wild animal, nor celebrate the virtues of togetherness, nor imply any sort of sporting ability, nor commemorate any martial connection, nor even note civic status. It doesn't even point to an obscure bit of geography. It simply celebrates a day of the week. Arguably the most boring day of the week. A name to baffle Americans, and who could not get behind that? (Obviously it would be even better with their previous name of 'The Wednesday', as if Wednesday could ever meaningfully have a definite article. But still.)
    Leicester Fosse (named for Fosse Way where the original ground was) became Leicester City in 1920 when Leicester became officially a City. There was a proposal by the Thai owners a decade or so ago to change it back, but it didn't happen. Our black away strip with the turquoise diagonal sash is an update of the original Leicester Fosse strip.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,366

    First poll post call is out
    MORE IN COMMON
    Lab 44(+1)
    Con 27 (-)
    Ref 10 (-1)
    Ld 9 (-)
    Green 5 (-1 )
    SnP 3

    I think we in the end see the Tories scrape to 30 by squeezing Ref, Lib Dems nick a point or two off Lab. And that will be it.
    30% or 30 total seats?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627
    Sandpit said:

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    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

    Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

    What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.
    Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

    The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.
    The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

    Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence
    There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

    But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.
    There’s a massive gender imbalance, young men are trending right and young women trending left.

    Having a large group of dissatisfied young men, doesn’t generally work out too well for any country.
    That's not true of the UK. Both genders are trending left when young, but the women more than men in the chart in @williamglenn at 1621.


  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401
    Taz said:

    What a crock. They are expected to apologise for something that happened in 1844. They should just tell these people demanding an apology to do one.
    The good Lord in his wisdom gave us the words fuck and off for a purpose
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