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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,262
    edited May 13

    AlsoLei said:

    Police officers in Britain could be armed with Ghostbusters-style devices that fire electromagnetic rays to shut down the engines of ebikes being used in a crime.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/13/uk-police-ghostbusters-style-backpack-devices-ebike-getaways

    Not sure that this system to disable e-bikes supposedly being developed by DSTL for the National Police Chief's Council is quite a good idea as they seem to think...

    Even if they did manage to make it sufficiently precise to target only one specific e-bike and not surrounding vehicles, computers, telecoms, or network infrastructure... surely deliberately causing a li-ion battery to suddenly overheat to the point of failure is going to end up setting the things on fire?

    I’m not seeing the issue? The rider can easily dismount the burning bike.
    Bunch of slackers. Use this


  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    #JustBe KindCanF*ckOff

    But Lucy isn’t a man, is she? Nor is she crossdressing, you nasty b*tch. About time someone told you plain and simple to f*ck off @jk_rowling - and keep on f*cking off.

    https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1790077582794228169

    By the way, "Lucy" has previous with JKR...
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,515
    Andy_JS said:

    Priti Patel versus Suella Braverman would be an interesting contest.
    When Priti Patel is the "left wing" option - sheesh!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,830
    Foxy said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Sunak and Hunt are salting the earth for every public organisation and many private ones.
    To be honest, if not allowing dependents to come with "students" knocks 100k+ or more off the net immigration that will be a good thing. Does anyone really believe that these families have been coming here so someone can be a student? Yet another door that has been swinging wide open because politicians only pretend to care when there is an election on. Its embarrassing that it wasn't done years ago.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
    A lot/most/all unis have been mainlining on foreign students paying twice or more the rate for a UK student.

    How high can Starmer raise the cap for domestic students in first years of his premiership?

    It's a massive headache.
    Although a lot of Unis have also borrowed heavily (for buildings, mainly, but also some rather dodgy financial affairs - look up Bristol if you want to see a really good (bad) example). So their financial woes are not all down to the lack of fees increase.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    Phil said:

    TOPPING said:

    148grss said:

    Rishi needs to major on Curry-Gate. Say: 'We've already had one lockdown breaker in Number Ten in the form of Boris and look where that got us. Do we really want to inflict another one on ourselves with this Starmer guy?' The beauty here is that it distances Rishi from the era of Boris's misrule whilst also portraying Sir Keir as Boris's heir. But does Rishi have the chutzpah to go for it?

    Nah, 1) that was well in the past, 2) it highlights Johnson and reminds people that Sunak probably stabbed him in the back and 3) Sunak himself probably broke the rules too and if that time comes back in the spotlight he'll have to deal with the findings of the Covid Enquiry which suggest Eat out to Help out killed people and treasury didn't care as long as people spent money.

    Voters want to forget lockdown ever happened, not be reminded of it. Being the person to remind them of it, even to make a point in his favour, will make people dislike Sunak even more. I think his only real point of attack is the points he is currently making - that SKS doesn't believe in anything and has no real plans for government - but he fails at this because his government is a group of tired idiots with no plans and he is also clearly just a power hungry bastard too. If the messenger was different and he was better at giving the message, I think the Tories could paint SKS as an empty suit. But it rings hollow atm.
    BIB - I did't think the Covid inquiry had reported yet? EOTHO has been linked to an increase in cases in papers and the implication is more cases = more deaths. However at the same time we were importing many more new cases from the continent as we had resumed travel. Like so much of the pandemic it was a trade off. You could keep printing magic money to keep business going while shut for ever, but economically there will be a reckoning. As there is, in fact, now.

    But you are right. Go out, eat in a restaurant, go to the cinema, go to a play, or the football. Normal life returned and most people don't want to think about those times again.

    Mistakes were made all round. Sadly the Inquiry in traditional British style has been portrayed in the meida far too often as a trial of those in power, rather than a genuine attempt to learn. I hope the report, when it emerges, is more of the latter than the former.
    Mrs P. has just thrown out a whole collection of masks she made during the early lock-down days "We'll not be needing these again, thank Christ".
    Too early! Twitter is awash with the next bird flu pandemic!

    But, yes, I whole heartedly agree. And yet - I am heading to the Discworld convention in August and they are still (as far as I know) planning on asking everyone to mask. Madness.
    That is absurd. Beyond madness, psychopathic. Plus 2x LFT tests (and where the fuck do you get those from these days).

    This is what our anti-Covid measures have bequeathed us.

    https://dwcon.org/useful-information/rules-policies/covid-19-policy/
    Individual Covid LFTs are £1.75 from Boots. Flu A/B LFTs are £2.50 / test.

    Is it really that much of an imposition to ask people to test for a very infectious disease before attending a mass gathering?
    For whatever reason, testing didn't seem like a particularly effective method of controlling spread.

    People would be better off insisting that venues installed air filtration, and only using venues that did so.
    There's a question...

    What did we actually learn during the pestilence that has been usefully continued on the other side?

    Hybrid working and some video conferencing, I guess.

    MRNA vaccines, which will likely change the dynamics completely if something like this comes up again- the know how is all there.

    But air filtration, which looks like a pretty effective way of reducing the flu surge we get most winters... We don't (collectively) seem to have bothered.
    Fresh air saves lives could have been a catchy slogan.

    One improvement, for me at least, has been better hand washing.

    I do wonder if it has contributed to not suffering from colds during the past four years.
    Improved hand washing across all sections of society is thought to have contributed to the significant decline in stomach upsets, food poisoning and the like.
    If you're at a pub or restaurant you still occasionally see blokes walking out of the toilets without washing their hands. So disgusting. Makes you wonder how some people were brought up.
    If you need to wash your hands after touching your penis, you need to wash your penis.
    Makes you wonder how you were brought up.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    tlg86 said:

    The worst thing about cheering for Spurs is that you notice just how rubbish they are. That performance at Chelsea the other week was utterly appalling.

    I love hearing moans from fans of Premiership clubs. As a Swindon fan I have a sense of perspective…
    …..
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Andy_JS said:

    Priti Patel versus Suella Braverman would be an interesting contest.
    When Priti Patel is the "left wing" option - sheesh!
    As Dr Johnson observed, there is little point to settling the precedence between a louse and a flea...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Has Sunak definitely ruled out a January election with his "second half of the year" comment?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
    A lot/most/all unis have been mainlining on foreign students paying twice or more the rate for a UK student.

    How high can Starmer raise the cap for domestic students in first years of his premiership?

    It's a massive headache.
    Inflation has eroded the fee cap by about a third. It isn't tenable to continue that freeze with or without subsidy from the overseas students.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Sunak and Hunt are salting the earth for every public organisation and many private ones.
    To be honest, if not allowing dependents to come with "students" knocks 100k+ or more off the net immigration that will be a good thing. Does anyone really believe that these families have been coming here so someone can be a student? Yet another door that has been swinging wide open because politicians only pretend to care when there is an election on. Its embarrassing that it wasn't done years ago.
    I have given a few guest lectures at Bedford (Luton campus). Strikingly on the masters course I taught, around 50% were only there as a way to enter the U.K. and work. You can probably guess the demographic. They have to prove attendance and hence swipe their library card on entering lectures etc. Not something we do at Bath.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,717
    Andy_JS said:

    Has Sunak definitely ruled out a January election with his "second half of the year" comment?

    Nope.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557

    Andy_JS said:

    Has Sunak definitely ruled out a January election with his "second half of the year" comment?

    Nope.

    Why do you think so?
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,945
    Andy_JS said:

    Has Sunak definitely ruled out a January election with his "second half of the year" comment?

    Not if it's a tax year.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,262
    edited May 13

    AlsoLei said:

    Police officers in Britain could be armed with Ghostbusters-style devices that fire electromagnetic rays to shut down the engines of ebikes being used in a crime.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/13/uk-police-ghostbusters-style-backpack-devices-ebike-getaways

    Not sure that this system to disable e-bikes supposedly being developed by DSTL for the National Police Chief's Council is quite a good idea as they seem to think...

    Even if they did manage to make it sufficiently precise to target only one specific e-bike and not surrounding vehicles, computers, telecoms, or network infrastructure... surely deliberately causing a li-ion battery to suddenly overheat to the point of failure is going to end up setting the things on fire?

    A handheld EMP device?

    I have, er, wondered about whether such a thing may be constructed - just for the lolz you understand - and what exactly the consequences might be if cars with loud stereos suddenly and mysteriously became silent.

    Unfortunately generating the EMF is easiest with something that goes bang and likely destroys everything else in the vicinity. Possibly even a 20 mile radius if Malmesbury is involved.

    It is possible that such a contraption is easier to build if only targeting bikes but I'm sure the scroats will soon have their batteries wrapped in a Faraday cage.
    20 miles? What kind of slacker do you think I am.



    Collapsing a coil explosively, can produce a useful EMP, locally. In theory.

    Like a lot of magic weapons, demonstrating an actual real, working thing is a bit harder.

    From the article, it’s not EMP, just more radio waves than shitty Chinese electronics can handle.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,287

    Leon said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    Education is completely fucked as we know it. Go on TwiX and spend ten minutes looking at trends and you’ll know why. Most universities are therefore doomed anyway
    You, as ever, overstate your case. We are in a period of challenge, but you need to answer the question - what are universities for, before you decide their fate.
    A few will survive as finishing schools - and networking centres - for the rich elite. Some advanced tech institutes will survive. The rest will be gone: 80-90% of further education. There is no reason for them any more

    And thank god they are going, to be honest. Most of the really poisonous Woke shit has its origin in post-war academe. Get rid
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557

    Andy_JS said:

    Priti Patel versus Suella Braverman would be an interesting contest.
    When Priti Patel is the "left wing" option - sheesh!
    I think we could see more defections to Lab/LDs after the next election if that is the sort of choice that transpires, from the few remaining left-wing Tories MPs.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Has Sunak definitely ruled out a January election with his "second half of the year" comment?

    Nope.

    Why do you think so?
    Arguably the election would have to be called before Christmas, so it’s called in the second half of the year.
    Or you could argue the tax years…
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Sunak and Hunt are salting the earth for every public organisation and many private ones.
    To be honest, if not allowing dependents to come with "students" knocks 100k+ or more off the net immigration that will be a good thing. Does anyone really believe that these families have been coming here so someone can be a student? Yet another door that has been swinging wide open because politicians only pretend to care when there is an election on. Its embarrassing that it wasn't done years ago.
    Simply take away the right to work after graduation and right to bring dependents , but keep the real students.
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 480

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Sunak and Hunt are salting the earth for every public organisation and many private ones.
    To be honest, if not allowing dependents to come with "students" knocks 100k+ or more off the net immigration that will be a good thing. Does anyone really believe that these families have been coming here so someone can be a student? Yet another door that has been swinging wide open because politicians only pretend to care when there is an election on. Its embarrassing that it wasn't done years ago.
    I have given a few guest lectures at Bedford (Luton campus). Strikingly on the masters course I taught, around 50% were only there as a way to enter the U.K. and work. You can probably guess the demographic. They have to prove attendance and hence swipe their library card on entering lectures etc. Not something we do at Bath.
    Not in a UG programme, but PG, MBA and PhD students are all mature adults, often in relationships and with children. I was a parent when I did my phd.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    Education is completely fucked as we know it. Go on TwiX and spend ten minutes looking at trends and you’ll know why. Most universities are therefore doomed anyway
    You, as ever, overstate your case. We are in a period of challenge, but you need to answer the question - what are universities for, before you decide their fate.
    A few will survive as finishing schools - and networking centres - for the rich elite. Some advanced tech institutes will survive. The rest will be gone: 80-90% of further education. There is no reason for them any more

    And thank god they are going, to be honest. Most of the really poisonous Woke shit has its origin in post-war academe. Get rid
    As your last contact with uni was some thirty years ago, I wonder how much you understand about how universities operate?
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,945

    #JustBe KindCanF*ckOff

    But Lucy isn’t a man, is she? Nor is she crossdressing, you nasty b*tch. About time someone told you plain and simple to f*ck off @jk_rowling - and keep on f*cking off.

    https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1790077582794228169

    By the way, "Lucy" has previous with JKR...

    YAWN
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Sunak and Hunt are salting the earth for every public organisation and many private ones.
    To be honest, if not allowing dependents to come with "students" knocks 100k+ or more off the net immigration that will be a good thing. Does anyone really believe that these families have been coming here so someone can be a student? Yet another door that has been swinging wide open because politicians only pretend to care when there is an election on. Its embarrassing that it wasn't done years ago.
    I have given a few guest lectures at Bedford (Luton campus). Strikingly on the masters course I taught, around 50% were only there as a way to enter the U.K. and work. You can probably guess the demographic. They have to prove attendance and hence swipe their library card on entering lectures etc. Not something we do at Bath.
    Not in a UG programme, but PG, MBA and PhD students are all mature adults, often in relationships and with children. I was a parent when I did my phd.
    From my experience, which is mainly science PhDs, relationships yes, children no. There are always a few, but not that many.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    edited May 13
    Why did all this trans stuff get politicised? It used to be a totally non-political topic.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,515

    Phil said:

    TOPPING said:

    148grss said:

    Rishi needs to major on Curry-Gate. Say: 'We've already had one lockdown breaker in Number Ten in the form of Boris and look where that got us. Do we really want to inflict another one on ourselves with this Starmer guy?' The beauty here is that it distances Rishi from the era of Boris's misrule whilst also portraying Sir Keir as Boris's heir. But does Rishi have the chutzpah to go for it?

    Nah, 1) that was well in the past, 2) it highlights Johnson and reminds people that Sunak probably stabbed him in the back and 3) Sunak himself probably broke the rules too and if that time comes back in the spotlight he'll have to deal with the findings of the Covid Enquiry which suggest Eat out to Help out killed people and treasury didn't care as long as people spent money.

    Voters want to forget lockdown ever happened, not be reminded of it. Being the person to remind them of it, even to make a point in his favour, will make people dislike Sunak even more. I think his only real point of attack is the points he is currently making - that SKS doesn't believe in anything and has no real plans for government - but he fails at this because his government is a group of tired idiots with no plans and he is also clearly just a power hungry bastard too. If the messenger was different and he was better at giving the message, I think the Tories could paint SKS as an empty suit. But it rings hollow atm.
    BIB - I did't think the Covid inquiry had reported yet? EOTHO has been linked to an increase in cases in papers and the implication is more cases = more deaths. However at the same time we were importing many more new cases from the continent as we had resumed travel. Like so much of the pandemic it was a trade off. You could keep printing magic money to keep business going while shut for ever, but economically there will be a reckoning. As there is, in fact, now.

    But you are right. Go out, eat in a restaurant, go to the cinema, go to a play, or the football. Normal life returned and most people don't want to think about those times again.

    Mistakes were made all round. Sadly the Inquiry in traditional British style has been portrayed in the meida far too often as a trial of those in power, rather than a genuine attempt to learn. I hope the report, when it emerges, is more of the latter than the former.
    Mrs P. has just thrown out a whole collection of masks she made during the early lock-down days "We'll not be needing these again, thank Christ".
    Too early! Twitter is awash with the next bird flu pandemic!

    But, yes, I whole heartedly agree. And yet - I am heading to the Discworld convention in August and they are still (as far as I know) planning on asking everyone to mask. Madness.
    That is absurd. Beyond madness, psychopathic. Plus 2x LFT tests (and where the fuck do you get those from these days).

    This is what our anti-Covid measures have bequeathed us.

    https://dwcon.org/useful-information/rules-policies/covid-19-policy/
    Individual Covid LFTs are £1.75 from Boots. Flu A/B LFTs are £2.50 / test.

    Is it really that much of an imposition to ask people to test for a very infectious disease before attending a mass gathering?
    For whatever reason, testing didn't seem like a particularly effective method of controlling spread.

    People would be better off insisting that venues installed air filtration, and only using venues that did so.
    There's a question...

    What did we actually learn during the pestilence that has been usefully continued on the other side?

    Hybrid working and some video conferencing, I guess.

    MRNA vaccines, which will likely change the dynamics completely if something like this comes up again- the know how is all there.

    But air filtration, which looks like a pretty effective way of reducing the flu surge we get most winters... We don't (collectively) seem to have bothered.
    Fresh air saves lives could have been a catchy slogan.

    One improvement, for me at least, has been better hand washing.

    I do wonder if it has contributed to not suffering from colds during the past four years.
    Improved hand washing across all sections of society is thought to have contributed to the significant decline in stomach upsets, food poisoning and the like.
    If you're at a pub or restaurant you still occasionally see blokes walking out of the toilets without washing their hands. So disgusting. Makes you wonder how some people were brought up.
    That really pisses(!) me off at chess competitions where you could be shaking hands with them before and after a game.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    edited May 13

    Leon said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    Education is completely fucked as we know it. Go on TwiX and spend ten minutes looking at trends and you’ll know why. Most universities are therefore doomed anyway
    You, as ever, overstate your case. We are in a period of challenge, but you need to answer the question - what are universities for, before you decide their fate.
    They're to allow intelligent but unfocused people a couple of years of messing around and maturing before entering the workforce.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,515
    Andy_JS said:

    Why did all this trans stuff get politicised? It used to be a totally non-political topic.

    The first time I became aware of "self-id" was when some-one self-id-ed themselves onto the women's committee of Liverpool (or Merseyside?) Labour.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,262

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
    A lot/most/all unis have been mainlining on foreign students paying twice or more the rate for a UK student.

    How high can Starmer raise the cap for domestic students in first years of his premiership?

    It's a massive headache.
    Although a lot of Unis have also borrowed heavily (for buildings, mainly, but also some rather dodgy financial affairs - look up Bristol if you want to see a really good (bad) example). So their financial woes are not all down to the lack of fees increase.
    So some unis go bust. Their debts evaporate, and they get sold on as a going concern for £1

    What’s not to like?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Andy_JS said:

    Why did all this trans stuff get politicised? It used to be a totally non-political topic.

    Idle speculation - when the battles over homosexuality had been won? Activists need something to activist about?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
    A lot/most/all unis have been mainlining on foreign students paying twice or more the rate for a UK student.

    How high can Starmer raise the cap for domestic students in first years of his premiership?

    It's a massive headache.
    Although a lot of Unis have also borrowed heavily (for buildings, mainly, but also some rather dodgy financial affairs - look up Bristol if you want to see a really good (bad) example). So their financial woes are not all down to the lack of fees increase.
    So some unis go bust. Their debts evaporate, and they get sold on as a going concern for £1

    What’s not to like?
    I don’t think any will actually go pop. They all have significant assets. I think many will face tough times with staffing (expecting more for less, no new recruitment etc). There is generally an assured income stream (especially if you are not that bothered about entry grades).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,287
    edited May 13

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    Education is completely fucked as we know it. Go on TwiX and spend ten minutes looking at trends and you’ll know why. Most universities are therefore doomed anyway
    You, as ever, overstate your case. We are in a period of challenge, but you need to answer the question - what are universities for, before you decide their fate.
    A few will survive as finishing schools - and networking centres - for the rich elite. Some advanced tech institutes will survive. The rest will be gone: 80-90% of further education. There is no reason for them any more

    And thank god they are going, to be honest. Most of the really poisonous Woke shit has its origin in post-war academe. Get rid
    As your last contact with uni was some thirty years ago, I wonder how much you understand about how universities operate?
    I’m not allowed to discuss this. Go to reddit and you’ll see why unis are finished as we know them. Indeed all education

    To get it back to politics people are very hard on Sunak. But he absolutely gets this in a way someone like Starmer obviously doesn’t. The next 5-10 years of change will leave societies unrecognisable. Its gonna be like fifty years condensed into 6 and a quarter

    And now I’m going to read Eric Newby, drink Primitivo, and sleep. Night night PB. Buonanotte
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    God no ! the trans issue has arrived in the thread again .
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    Education is completely fucked as we know it. Go on TwiX and spend ten minutes looking at trends and you’ll know why. Most universities are therefore doomed anyway
    You, as ever, overstate your case. We are in a period of challenge, but you need to answer the question - what are universities for, before you decide their fate.
    A few will survive as finishing schools - and networking centres - for the rich elite. Some advanced tech institutes will survive. The rest will be gone: 80-90% of further education. There is no reason for them any more

    And thank god they are going, to be honest. Most of the really poisonous Woke shit has its origin in post-war academe. Get rid
    As your last contact with uni was some thirty years ago, I wonder how much you understand about how universities operate?
    I’m not allowed to discuss this. Go to reddit and you’ll see why unis are finished as we know them. Indeed all education

    To get it back to politics people are very hard on Sunak. But he absolutely gets this in a way someone like Starmer obviously doesn’t. The next 5-10 years of change will leave societies unrecognisable. Its gonna be like fifty years condensed into 6 and a quarter

    And now I’m going to read Eric Newby, drink Primitivo, and sleep. Night night PB. Buonanotte
    Quelle surprise you issue is redacted. I should have guessed.
    Do you think redacted will replace all pharmacists? All doctors? All chemical engineers? All mechanical engineers? Etc.
    What is happening is people are using redacted in their research, to do even better and more exciting research. Possibilities are amazing.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,830
    Foxy said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
    A lot/most/all unis have been mainlining on foreign students paying twice or more the rate for a UK student.

    How high can Starmer raise the cap for domestic students in first years of his premiership?

    It's a massive headache.
    Inflation has eroded the fee cap by about a third. It isn't tenable to continue that freeze with or without subsidy from the overseas students.
    Imagine how the Scottish Universities are placed with the Scottish government paying not much more than half on behalf of students "entitled" to a "free" education. I am honestly surprised that some have not failed financially and been forced to close.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    I just bought some $100 wireless earbuds from Nothing to replace my four year old Sennheiser buds (which were about $350).

    Wow.

    There is literally no comparison. The new $100 ones are dramatically better than my old ones, and they sound a whole bunch better than my son's air pods too.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,785
    =
    ClippP said:

    ohnotnow said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:

    Rosie Duffield waiting a respectful 5 days before calling for the whip to be removed from Elphicke.
    Kent on Kent action in the PLP.
    In isolation not really a major Starmer drama but if others join her a bit more problematic

    She has been sniping about it on X from day one
    TBF she has more than a point.
    I wonder what sort of effort Elphicke has been making to get to know and befriend her new party colleagues.

    If I were an MP who’d just crossed the floor I think I’d spend my first couple of weeks meeting fellow MPs for coffee and finding my way around the office politics. Particularly my geographical neighbours.

    Something I’ve always noticed with the Lib Dem MPs - they seem to know each other pretty well.
    Both of them?
    Groan,,..... You Tories are such bitter losers, aren't you?
    ... I'm curious now - what makes you think I'm a Tory?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
    A lot/most/all unis have been mainlining on foreign students paying twice or more the rate for a UK student.

    How high can Starmer raise the cap for domestic students in first years of his premiership?

    It's a massive headache.
    Inflation has eroded the fee cap by about a third. It isn't tenable to continue that freeze with or without subsidy from the overseas students.
    Imagine how the Scottish Universities are placed with the Scottish government paying not much more than half on behalf of students "entitled" to a "free" education. I am honestly surprised that some have not failed financially and been forced to close.
    My best man worked for a time at one of the Glasgow Unis. We once had a long argument about why the fee increase for English unis adversly affected Scottish ones. I didn’t really get the point for a while, but it was about the lack of money overall making them less competitive.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Sunak and Hunt are salting the earth for every public organisation and many private ones.
    To be honest, if not allowing dependents to come with "students" knocks 100k+ or more off the net immigration that will be a good thing. Does anyone really believe that these families have been coming here so someone can be a student? Yet another door that has been swinging wide open because politicians only pretend to care when there is an election on. Its embarrassing that it wasn't done years ago.
    I have given a few guest lectures at Bedford (Luton campus). Strikingly on the masters course I taught, around 50% were only there as a way to enter the U.K. and work. You can probably guess the demographic. They have to prove attendance and hence swipe their library card on entering lectures etc. Not something we do at Bath.
    The same is true of the US: there are educational institutions that exist solely as mills for US visas.

    (And this is not a new problem. It's just that universities have come to rely on the income.)
  • Doogle1941Doogle1941 Posts: 22
    America is dying. The administrative state is running amok and the judiciary has been compromised. The UK needs to build a financial and cultural firewall rather than just following the u.s. lead. They will take us down with them.
  • Doogle1941Doogle1941 Posts: 22
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Sunak and Hunt are salting the earth for every public organisation and many private ones.
    To be honest, if not allowing dependents to come with "students" knocks 100k+ or more off the net immigration that will be a good thing. Does anyone really believe that these families have been coming here so someone can be a student? Yet another door that has been swinging wide open because politicians only pretend to care when there is an election on. Its embarrassing that it wasn't done years ago.
    Simply take away the right to work after graduation and right to bring dependents , but keep the real students.
    I am not even sure about taking away their right to work after graduation if they can get a job in their field and earn enough. It would be hurting ourselves to deny ourselves people we have trained up. Those who have had medical training would be a good example.

    But, as an example, a member of my MiLs church came to this country more than a decade ago to do a college level computing course. He brought his wife and eldest child with him and then had 2 more in this country. He had a long struggle but, with considerable help from the church, eventually got leave to remain. He's never had a job in computing, in fact he currently works stacking shelves in Tesco's. The family of 5 is fairly heavily supported by in work benefits.

    It was just not a good deal for UK plc. The University/college sector is not there to drive a cart and horses through our immigration rules and the government deserves to be severely criticised for allowing this to go on for so long.
    Only 15% of recent immigrants (3.2 million visas issued last year ? ) are employed and most of these are in low skilled jobs.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,830

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
    A lot/most/all unis have been mainlining on foreign students paying twice or more the rate for a UK student.

    How high can Starmer raise the cap for domestic students in first years of his premiership?

    It's a massive headache.
    Inflation has eroded the fee cap by about a third. It isn't tenable to continue that freeze with or without subsidy from the overseas students.
    Imagine how the Scottish Universities are placed with the Scottish government paying not much more than half on behalf of students "entitled" to a "free" education. I am honestly surprised that some have not failed financially and been forced to close.
    My best man worked for a time at one of the Glasgow Unis. We once had a long argument about why the fee increase for English unis adversly affected Scottish ones. I didn’t really get the point for a while, but it was about the lack of money overall making them less competitive.
    The better Scottish Universities did well in attracting English students willing to pay them £9k a year for courses that the SG was paying just over £5k for. Boris threatened to close that loophole but I don't think he did. The number of funded places available for Scottish student has been falling because the budget simply can't stretch to cover the cost of those who want to attend for this "free" education. Ironically, this has driven quite a lot of Scottish students south, willing to take on English fees to get a better education or a University place. One of these is my son.

    But your friend is right. The likes of Edinburgh, Glasgow and St Andrews have balanced the books with ever increasing numbers of foreign students paying up to £20k a year for some courses. How the strand below that are coping is a mystery to me.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    rcs1000 said:

    I just bought some $100 wireless earbuds from Nothing to replace my four year old Sennheiser buds (which were about $350).

    Wow.

    There is literally no comparison. The new $100 ones are dramatically better than my old ones, and they sound a whole bunch better than my son's air pods too.

    all the reviews I've seen about Nothing earbuds say that the noise cancelling isn't much cop - any chance you could confirm that is the case or not...
  • Doogle1941Doogle1941 Posts: 22
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    Education is completely fucked as we know it. Go on TwiX and spend ten minutes looking at trends and you’ll know why. Most universities are therefore doomed anyway
    You, as ever, overstate your case. We are in a period of challenge, but you need to answer the question - what are universities for, before you decide their fate.
    A few will survive as finishing schools - and networking centres - for the rich elite. Some advanced tech institutes will survive. The rest will be gone: 80-90% of further education. There is no reason for them any more

    And thank god they are going, to be honest. Most of the really poisonous Woke shit has its origin in post-war academe. Get rid
    As your last contact with uni was some thirty years ago, I wonder how much you understand about how universities operate?
    I’m not allowed to discuss this. Go to reddit and you’ll see why unis are finished as we know them. Indeed all education

    To get it back to politics people are very hard on Sunak. But he absolutely gets this in a way someone like Starmer obviously doesn’t. The next 5-10 years of change will leave societies unrecognisable. Its gonna be like fifty years condensed into 6 and a quarter

    And now I’m going to read Eric Newby, drink Primitivo, and sleep. Night night PB. Buonanotte
    I think that is where the triggering thing comes from. Young people have been indoctrinated into various belief cults through the media and education so that subsequently when they face reality they can't handle it.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,081
    edited May 13
    Andy_JS said:

    Why did all this trans stuff get politicised? It used to be a totally non-political topic.

    Multiple possible causes: it's not a single answer. Those causes include but are not limited to the following:
    • i) The settlement around gay marriage meant that anti-gay activists had to go somewhere else, and united with anti-trans feminists to act against trans people
    • ii) The settlement around gay marriage meant that pro-gay activists had to go somewhere else, and transferred their activism to trans people
    • iii) The rise of mobile phones and the ability to network meant that women could organise amongst themselves to coordinate objection.
    • iv) The wish by anti-abortion activists to use the treatment of gender dysphoric children to oppose the concept of Gillick competence
    • v) Lack of buy-in by the political class about the concept of transsexuality: specifically, can a man become a woman and if so at what point?
    • vi) Disdain by the people about the concept of transsexuality, especially with the penised.
    • vii) In the US medicine is handled differently with greater responsibility to the individual, so US anti-trans activism is done via the political system. UK does it differently
    • viii) Overreach by the political class, whose consensus around 2015 on deregulating trans was not met by glee.
    • ix) Decision by the UK Conservatives around 2019/20 to leverage anti-trans sentiment
    • x) Disdain by the people about the concept of trans children, with concerns about permanent changes later regretted
    • xi) Other stuff which I have forgot
    These multiple factors synchronised around 2015 and wrenched the concept of trans from a medical condition to a political subject, with everything else following - partisanship, increased mentioning in PB, etc.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    As reported on the VoteUK forum, the government has been defeated in the Commons this evening by 188 votes to 169, with 8 Tories voting against the gov: Elliot Colburn, Laura Farris, Luke Hall, Theresa May, Jason McCarthy, Caroline Nokes, Justin Tomlinson, Theresa Villiers.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    Education is completely fucked as we know it. Go on TwiX and spend ten minutes looking at trends and you’ll know why. Most universities are therefore doomed anyway
    You, as ever, overstate your case. We are in a period of challenge, but you need to answer the question - what are universities for, before you decide their fate.
    A few will survive as finishing schools - and networking centres - for the rich elite. Some advanced tech institutes will survive. The rest will be gone: 80-90% of further education. There is no reason for them any more

    And thank god they are going, to be honest. Most of the really poisonous Woke shit has its origin in post-war academe. Get rid
    I agree. I went to a crappy uni as a mature student, pretty much just for something to do. It was like being in The Modern Parents in Viz. I wonder how much of those sketches, an exaggeration of 90s PC gone mad/middle class lefties, was prescient of todays wokeness

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    kyf_100 said:

    #JustBe KindCanF*ckOff

    But Lucy isn’t a man, is she? Nor is she crossdressing, you nasty b*tch. About time someone told you plain and simple to f*ck off @jk_rowling - and keep on f*cking off.

    https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1790077582794228169

    By the way, "Lucy" has previous with JKR...

    YAWN
    #NoDebate

    https://x.com/Cavakaggy/status/1790069976096792713
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
    A lot/most/all unis have been mainlining on foreign students paying twice or more the rate for a UK student.

    How high can Starmer raise the cap for domestic students in first years of his premiership?

    It's a massive headache.
    Inflation has eroded the fee cap by about a third. It isn't tenable to continue that freeze with or without subsidy from the overseas students.
    Imagine how the Scottish Universities are placed with the Scottish government paying not much more than half on behalf of students "entitled" to a "free" education. I am honestly surprised that some have not failed financially and been forced to close.
    My best man worked for a time at one of the Glasgow Unis. We once had a long argument about why the fee increase for English unis adversly affected Scottish ones. I didn’t really get the point for a while, but it was about the lack of money overall making them less competitive.
    The better Scottish Universities did well in attracting English students willing to pay them £9k a year for courses that the SG was paying just over £5k for. Boris threatened to close that loophole but I don't think he did. The number of funded places available for Scottish student has been falling because the budget simply can't stretch to cover the cost of those who want to attend for this "free" education. Ironically, this has driven quite a lot of Scottish students south, willing to take on English fees to get a better education or a University place. One of these is my son.

    But your friend is right. The likes of Edinburgh, Glasgow and St Andrews have balanced the books with ever increasing numbers of foreign students paying up to £20k a year for some courses. How the strand below that are coping is a mystery to me.
    £20,000 a year for overseas students? If so they've been charging less than English Universities....
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Andy_JS said:

    As reported on the VoteUK forum, the government has been defeated in the Commons this evening by 188 votes to 169, with 8 Tories voting against the gov: Elliot Colburn, Laura Farris, Luke Hall, Theresa May, Jason McCarthy, Caroline Nokes, Justin Tomlinson, Theresa Villiers.

    What was the vote?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,081

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    Education is completely fucked as we know it. Go on TwiX and spend ten minutes looking at trends and you’ll know why. Most universities are therefore doomed anyway
    You, as ever, overstate your case. We are in a period of challenge, but you need to answer the question - what are universities for, before you decide their fate.
    A few will survive as finishing schools - and networking centres - for the rich elite. Some advanced tech institutes will survive. The rest will be gone: 80-90% of further education. There is no reason for them any more

    And thank god they are going, to be honest. Most of the really poisonous Woke shit has its origin in post-war academe. Get rid
    As your last contact with uni was some thirty years ago, I wonder how much you understand about how universities operate?
    I’m not allowed to discuss this. Go to reddit and you’ll see why unis are finished as we know them. Indeed all education

    To get it back to politics people are very hard on Sunak. But he absolutely gets this in a way someone like Starmer obviously doesn’t. The next 5-10 years of change will leave societies unrecognisable. Its gonna be like fifty years condensed into 6 and a quarter

    And now I’m going to read Eric Newby, drink Primitivo, and sleep. Night night PB. Buonanotte
    Quelle surprise you issue is redacted. I should have guessed.
    Do you think redacted will replace all pharmacists? All doctors? All chemical engineers? All mechanical engineers? Etc.
    What is happening is people are using redacted in their research, to do even better and more exciting research. Possibilities are amazing.
    According to a proper redacted person I talked to recently, the US regulatory bodies are shitting themselves over this. How do you validate redacted research? It's bad enough with neural nets, which you can't extract the underlying principles from. But you apply a redacted to (say) the study of the efficacy of a new drug, and publish the paper. The paper does not mention redacted. How do you check it? A lot of peer-review relies on trust (eg that they have not fiddled the figures). So if redacted got an equation wrong, and the peer reviewers miss it, that's bloody difficult to check or even notice.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ...
    Andy_JS said:

    As reported on the VoteUK forum, the government has been defeated in the Commons this evening by 188 votes to 169, with 8 Tories voting against the gov: Elliot Colburn, Laura Farris, Luke Hall, Theresa May, Jason McCarthy, Caroline Nokes, Justin Tomlinson, Theresa Villiers.

    Is the next defector on the list? Tezzy crossing the floor would be one hell of a coup for Starmer
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Andy_JS said:

    As reported on the VoteUK forum, the government has been defeated in the Commons this evening by 188 votes to 169, with 8 Tories voting against the gov: Elliot Colburn, Laura Farris, Luke Hall, Theresa May, Jason McCarthy, Caroline Nokes, Justin Tomlinson, Theresa Villiers.

    What was the vote?
    Believe THIS is the vote? Amendment enacted 170 to 169, with the 8 Tories listed above voting No.

    Note that only 2 Independents (previously Con) and 1 Lib Dem voted Aye

    https://votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1814
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    Andy_JS said:

    As reported on the VoteUK forum, the government has been defeated in the Commons this evening by 188 votes to 169, with 8 Tories voting against the gov: Elliot Colburn, Laura Farris, Luke Hall, Theresa May, Jason McCarthy, Caroline Nokes, Justin Tomlinson, Theresa Villiers.

    What was the vote?
    MPs arrested for serious sexual or violent offences could be banned from attending Parliament rather than just MPs who are charged as the government proposed
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-69006187
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,287

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    Education is completely fucked as we know it. Go on TwiX and spend ten minutes looking at trends and you’ll know why. Most universities are therefore doomed anyway
    You, as ever, overstate your case. We are in a period of challenge, but you need to answer the question - what are universities for, before you decide their fate.
    A few will survive as finishing schools - and networking centres - for the rich elite. Some advanced tech institutes will survive. The rest will be gone: 80-90% of further education. There is no reason for them any more

    And thank god they are going, to be honest. Most of the really poisonous Woke shit has its origin in post-war academe. Get rid
    As your last contact with uni was some thirty years ago, I wonder how much you understand about how universities operate?
    I’m not allowed to discuss this. Go to reddit and you’ll see why unis are finished as we know them. Indeed all education

    To get it back to politics people are very hard on Sunak. But he absolutely gets this in a way someone like Starmer obviously doesn’t. The next 5-10 years of change will leave societies unrecognisable. Its gonna be like fifty years condensed into 6 and a quarter

    And now I’m going to read Eric Newby, drink Primitivo, and sleep. Night night PB. Buonanotte
    Quelle surprise you issue is redacted. I should have guessed.
    Do you think redacted will replace all pharmacists? All doctors? All chemical engineers? All mechanical engineers? Etc.
    What is happening is people are using redacted in their research, to do even better and more exciting research. Possibilities are amazing.

    No. You are entirely wrong. Things will go better for you if you accept this: your career structure, your professional life as you know it, is doomed. This is honest and sincere advice

    Better to be prepared, mentally, than horribly surprised
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Sky News - Commons approves plans to exclude from parliament MPs arrested on suspicion of serious offence

    MPs arrested on suspicion of a serious offence face being barred from parliament under new plans approved in a vote on Monday night.

    It comes despite the government putting forward a motion that recommended MPs only face a ban if they are charged with a violent or sexual offence - a higher bar.

    On Monday night, MPs voted to reverse government moves to water down the measures on "risk-based exclusions" to ensure members can be excluded from parliament at the point of arrest for serious sexual or violent offences, in line with the original recommendation from the House of Commons Commission.

    The commission's initial proposal was later revised by the government to raise the threshold for a potential ban to the point of charge.

    But in a surprise move, MPs voted 170 to 169, a majority of one, in favour of an amendment by Lib Dem MP Wendy Chamberlain and Labour MP Jess Phillips to reinstate the original intention of the policy.

    MPs were given a free vote on the matter, meaning they were not forced to vote along party lines.

    https://news.sky.com/story/commons-approves-plans-to-exclude-from-parliament-mps-arrested-on-suspicion-of-serious-offence-13135402
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    Andy_JS said:

    Why did all this trans stuff get politicised? It used to be a totally non-political topic.

    It really is weird how that happened. It’s utterly boring, yet some PBers seem obsessed with it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    Education is completely fucked as we know it. Go on TwiX and spend ten minutes looking at trends and you’ll know why. Most universities are therefore doomed anyway
    You, as ever, overstate your case. We are in a period of challenge, but you need to answer the question - what are universities for, before you decide their fate.
    A few will survive as finishing schools - and networking centres - for the rich elite. Some advanced tech institutes will survive. The rest will be gone: 80-90% of further education. There is no reason for them any more

    And thank god they are going, to be honest. Most of the really poisonous Woke shit has its origin in post-war academe. Get rid
    As your last contact with uni was some thirty years ago, I wonder how much you understand about how universities operate?
    I’m not allowed to discuss this. Go to reddit and you’ll see why unis are finished as we know them. Indeed all education

    To get it back to politics people are very hard on Sunak. But he absolutely gets this in a way someone like Starmer obviously doesn’t. The next 5-10 years of change will leave societies unrecognisable. Its gonna be like fifty years condensed into 6 and a quarter

    And now I’m going to read Eric Newby, drink Primitivo, and sleep. Night night PB. Buonanotte
    Quelle surprise you issue is redacted. I should have guessed.
    Do you think redacted will replace all pharmacists? All doctors? All chemical engineers? All mechanical engineers? Etc.
    What is happening is people are using redacted in their research, to do even better and more exciting research. Possibilities are amazing.

    No. You are entirely wrong. Things will go better for you if you accept this: your career structure, your professional life as you know it, is doomed. This is honest and sincere advice

    Better to be prepared, mentally, than horribly surprised
    Surely we need more educated, creative people in a world of AI not less? Otherwise if even their jobs go then a universal basic income funded by a robot tax becomes inevitable
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    edited May 13
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    Education is completely fucked as we know it. Go on TwiX and spend ten minutes looking at trends and you’ll know why. Most universities are therefore doomed anyway
    You, as ever, overstate your case. We are in a period of challenge, but you need to answer the question - what are universities for, before you decide their fate.
    A few will survive as finishing schools - and networking centres - for the rich elite. Some advanced tech institutes will survive. The rest will be gone: 80-90% of further education. There is no reason for them any more

    And thank god they are going, to be honest. Most of the really poisonous Woke shit has its origin in post-war academe. Get rid
    As your last contact with uni was some thirty years ago, I wonder how much you understand about how universities operate?
    I’m not allowed to discuss this. Go to reddit and you’ll see why unis are finished as we know them. Indeed all education

    To get it back to politics people are very hard on Sunak. But he absolutely gets this in a way someone like Starmer obviously doesn’t. The next 5-10 years of change will leave societies unrecognisable. Its gonna be like fifty years condensed into 6 and a quarter

    And now I’m going to read Eric Newby, drink Primitivo, and sleep. Night night PB. Buonanotte
    Quelle surprise you issue is redacted. I should have guessed.
    Do you think redacted will replace all pharmacists? All doctors? All chemical engineers? All mechanical engineers? Etc.
    What is happening is people are using redacted in their research, to do even better and more exciting research. Possibilities are amazing.

    No. You are entirely wrong. Things will go better for you if you accept this: your career structure, your professional life as you know it, is doomed. This is honest and sincere advice

    Better to be prepared, mentally, than horribly surprised
    You are spamming the site with AI doom porn again, and also being unpleasant. Why?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I just bought some $100 wireless earbuds from Nothing to replace my four year old Sennheiser buds (which were about $350).

    Wow.

    There is literally no comparison. The new $100 ones are dramatically better than my old ones, and they sound a whole bunch better than my son's air pods too.

    all the reviews I've seen about Nothing earbuds say that the noise cancelling isn't much cop - any chance you could confirm that is the case or not...
    OK. I'm comparing it to the OnePlus buds and the Sennheiser, both of which have noise cancelling, but both of which are a couple of years old.

    It dramatically outperforms both of them.

    I'm on a flight to NY in three weeks: it will be interesting to see if it is able to essentially eliminate engine noise.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Universities shouldn't have become commercialised. The model that was in place until the 1990s should have continued.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    rcs1000 said:

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I just bought some $100 wireless earbuds from Nothing to replace my four year old Sennheiser buds (which were about $350).

    Wow.

    There is literally no comparison. The new $100 ones are dramatically better than my old ones, and they sound a whole bunch better than my son's air pods too.

    all the reviews I've seen about Nothing earbuds say that the noise cancelling isn't much cop - any chance you could confirm that is the case or not...
    OK. I'm comparing it to the OnePlus buds and the Sennheiser, both of which have noise cancelling, but both of which are a couple of years old.

    It dramatically outperforms both of them.

    I'm on a flight to NY in three weeks: it will be interesting to see if it is able to essentially eliminate engine noise.
    It's a bit weird when you put them on. Over the first second or two, you can feel them listening to the outside world and adjusting themselves. Then suddenly... silence.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    Education is completely fucked as we know it. Go on TwiX and spend ten minutes looking at trends and you’ll know why. Most universities are therefore doomed anyway
    You, as ever, overstate your case. We are in a period of challenge, but you need to answer the question - what are universities for, before you decide their fate.
    A few will survive as finishing schools - and networking centres - for the rich elite. Some advanced tech institutes will survive. The rest will be gone: 80-90% of further education. There is no reason for them any more

    And thank god they are going, to be honest. Most of the really poisonous Woke shit has its origin in post-war academe. Get rid
    As your last contact with uni was some thirty years ago, I wonder how much you understand about how universities operate?
    I’m not allowed to discuss this. Go to reddit and you’ll see why unis are finished as we know them. Indeed all education

    To get it back to politics people are very hard on Sunak. But he absolutely gets this in a way someone like Starmer obviously doesn’t. The next 5-10 years of change will leave societies unrecognisable. Its gonna be like fifty years condensed into 6 and a quarter

    And now I’m going to read Eric Newby, drink Primitivo, and sleep. Night night PB. Buonanotte
    The only problem is most people already feel like we've had 50 years condensed into the last 10 or 15, and if anything they'd like things to slow down a lot.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    Education is completely fucked as we know it. Go on TwiX and spend ten minutes looking at trends and you’ll know why. Most universities are therefore doomed anyway
    You, as ever, overstate your case. We are in a period of challenge, but you need to answer the question - what are universities for, before you decide their fate.
    A few will survive as finishing schools - and networking centres - for the rich elite. Some advanced tech institutes will survive. The rest will be gone: 80-90% of further education. There is no reason for them any more

    And thank god they are going, to be honest. Most of the really poisonous Woke shit has its origin in post-war academe. Get rid
    As your last contact with uni was some thirty years ago, I wonder how much you understand about how universities operate?
    I’m not allowed to discuss this. Go to reddit and you’ll see why unis are finished as we know them. Indeed all education

    To get it back to politics people are very hard on Sunak. But he absolutely gets this in a way someone like Starmer obviously doesn’t. The next 5-10 years of change will leave societies unrecognisable. Its gonna be like fifty years condensed into 6 and a quarter

    And now I’m going to read Eric Newby, drink Primitivo, and sleep. Night night PB. Buonanotte
    The only problem is most people already feel like we've had 50 years condensed into the last 10 or 15, and if anything they'd like things to slow down a lot.
    You can't unlearn what has been learned. The genie is out of the bag.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited May 13
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Why did all this trans stuff get politicised? It used to be a totally non-political topic.

    Multiple possible causes: it's not a single answer. Those causes include but are not limited to the following:
    • i) The settlement around gay marriage meant that anti-gay activists had to go somewhere else, and united with anti-trans feminists to act against trans people
    • ii) The settlement around gay marriage meant that pro-gay activists had to go somewhere else, and transferred their activism to trans people
    • iii) The rise of mobile phones and the ability to network meant that women could organise amongst themselves to coordinate objection.
    • iv) The wish by anti-abortion activists to use the treatment of gender dysphoric children to oppose the concept of Gillick competence
    • v) Lack of buy-in by the political class about the concept of transsexuality: specifically, can a man become a woman and if so at what point?
    • vi) Disdain by the people about the concept of transsexuality, especially with the penised.
    • vii) In the US medicine is handled differently with greater responsibility to the individual, so US anti-trans activism is done via the political system. UK does it differently
    • viii) Overreach by the political class, whose consensus around 2015 on deregulating trans was not met by glee.
    • ix) Decision by the UK Conservatives around 2019/20 to leverage anti-trans sentiment
    • x) Disdain by the people about the concept of trans children, with concerns about permanent changes later regretted
    • xi) Other stuff which I have forgot
    These multiple factors synchronised around 2015 and wrenched the concept of trans from a medical condition to a political subject, with everything else following - partisanship, increased mentioning in PB, etc.
    I think this explains the trans-Atlantic difference well:

    I’ve long argued that youth gender medicine in the U.S. is treated as a civil rights issue with medical implications, instead of a medical issue with civil rights implications.

    https://x.com/LeorSapir/status/1788966360447344745
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,081

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Why did all this trans stuff get politicised? It used to be a totally non-political topic.

    Multiple possible causes: it's not a single answer. Those causes include but are not limited to the following:
    • i) The settlement around gay marriage meant that anti-gay activists had to go somewhere else, and united with anti-trans feminists to act against trans people
    • ii) The settlement around gay marriage meant that pro-gay activists had to go somewhere else, and transferred their activism to trans people
    • iii) The rise of mobile phones and the ability to network meant that women could organise amongst themselves to coordinate objection.
    • iv) The wish by anti-abortion activists to use the treatment of gender dysphoric children to oppose the concept of Gillick competence
    • v) Lack of buy-in by the political class about the concept of transsexuality: specifically, can a man become a woman and if so at what point?
    • vi) Disdain by the people about the concept of transsexuality, especially with the penised.
    • vii) In the US medicine is handled differently with greater responsibility to the individual, so US anti-trans activism is done via the political system. UK does it differently
    • viii) Overreach by the political class, whose consensus around 2015 on deregulating trans was not met by glee.
    • ix) Decision by the UK Conservatives around 2019/20 to leverage anti-trans sentiment
    • x) Disdain by the people about the concept of trans children, with concerns about permanent changes later regretted
    • xi) Other stuff which I have forgot
    These multiple factors synchronised around 2015 and wrenched the concept of trans from a medical condition to a political subject, with everything else following - partisanship, increased mentioning in PB, etc.
    I think this explains the trans-Atlantic difference well:

    I’ve long argued that youth gender medicine in the U.S. is treated as a civil rights issue with medical implications, instead of a medical issue with civil rights implications.

    https://x.com/LeorSapir/status/1788966360447344745
    Yes that's about right.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    America is dying. The administrative state is running amok and the judiciary has been compromised. The UK needs to build a financial and cultural firewall rather than just following the u.s. lead. They will take us down with them.

    What sort of rehearsed Russian drivel is this. The UK has way more administration than the US and the judiciary in the US is completely corporate-owned.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,433

    Taz said:

    Taz said:
    Good to see the priority problems the country faces being addressed. You can't go anywhere these days without bumping into someone whose life has been utterly ruined by a coloured lanyard.
    It’s bonkers.

    Where I work they handed them out. Some people wear them, some don’t. Some, like me, put one in my drawer as a replacement for my current one when it breaks.

    The country is going to crap and the govt says it will focus on the peoples priorities. This is irrelevant?
    Esther McVey is a person.

    I'm sure there are people who are really unhappy about rainbow lanyards. Genuinely, sincerely so. Doesn't mean their unhappiness should drive government policy.

    (Especially when the Venn diagram of people who would support McVey on this and those who would otherwise point and laugh at snowflakes is probably pretty large.)
    Pretty sure these are banned in the Scottish Parliament. Wearing them is not perhaps a big thing - nor is banning them particularly outrageous.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,634
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    Education is completely fucked as we know it. Go on TwiX and spend ten minutes looking at trends and you’ll know why. Most universities are therefore doomed anyway
    You, as ever, overstate your case. We are in a period of challenge, but you need to answer the question - what are universities for, before you decide their fate.
    A few will survive as finishing schools - and networking centres - for the rich elite. Some advanced tech institutes will survive. The rest will be gone: 80-90% of further education. There is no reason for them any more

    And thank god they are going, to be honest. Most of the really poisonous Woke shit has its origin in post-war academe. Get rid
    As your last contact with uni was some thirty years ago, I wonder how much you understand about how universities operate?
    I’m not allowed to discuss this. Go to reddit and you’ll see why unis are finished as we know them. Indeed all education

    To get it back to politics people are very hard on Sunak. But he absolutely gets this in a way someone like Starmer obviously doesn’t. The next 5-10 years of change will leave societies unrecognisable. Its gonna be like fifty years condensed into 6 and a quarter

    And now I’m going to read Eric Newby, drink Primitivo, and sleep. Night night PB. Buonanotte
    The only problem is most people already feel like we've had 50 years condensed into the last 10 or 15, and if anything they'd like things to slow down a lot.
    You can't unlearn what has been learned. The genie is out of the bag.
    Cat or bottle.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,287

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    Education is completely fucked as we know it. Go on TwiX and spend ten minutes looking at trends and you’ll know why. Most universities are therefore doomed anyway
    You, as ever, overstate your case. We are in a period of challenge, but you need to answer the question - what are universities for, before you decide their fate.
    A few will survive as finishing schools - and networking centres - for the rich elite. Some advanced tech institutes will survive. The rest will be gone: 80-90% of further education. There is no reason for them any more

    And thank god they are going, to be honest. Most of the really poisonous Woke shit has its origin in post-war academe. Get rid
    As your last contact with uni was some thirty years ago, I wonder how much you understand about how universities operate?
    I’m not allowed to discuss this. Go to reddit and you’ll see why unis are finished as we know them. Indeed all education

    To get it back to politics people are very hard on Sunak. But he absolutely gets this in a way someone like Starmer obviously doesn’t. The next 5-10 years of change will leave societies unrecognisable. Its gonna be like fifty years condensed into 6 and a quarter

    And now I’m going to read Eric Newby, drink Primitivo, and sleep. Night night PB. Buonanotte
    Quelle surprise you issue is redacted. I should have guessed.
    Do you think redacted will replace all pharmacists? All doctors? All chemical engineers? All mechanical engineers? Etc.
    What is happening is people are using redacted in their research, to do even better and more exciting research. Possibilities are amazing.

    No. You are entirely wrong. Things will go better for you if you accept this: your career structure, your professional life as you know it, is doomed. This is honest and sincere advice

    Better to be prepared, mentally, than horribly surprised
    You are spamming the site with AI doom porn again, and also being unpleasant. Why?
    I’m really really not. I actually like @turbotubbs

    I like almost everyone on PB, believe it or not. We are a kind of community. A pub. As we have often discussed

    Here I am giving honest advice. @turbotubbs is free to ignore it. Everyone is free to call me an idiot. But this is my sincere opinion, offered in good faith

    And now I really must abed. I can heartily recommend Eric Newby’s Love and War in the Appenines (esp if you need something to read in Italy). Splendid book. Buonanotte
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,913
    edited May 13
    Interestingly the Chaplin at Leeds University who was apparently in hiding for being Jewish had in fact been away fighting for the IDF. The Palestinian supporters on campus didn't chase the man into hiding as reported by cyclefree but wanted to know why he was allowed to be employed by the university while moonlighting for the IDF.

    Fair question I'd say. Are there no limits to how many foreign armies you can join if you're a British citizen?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,913
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    As reported on the VoteUK forum, the government has been defeated in the Commons this evening by 188 votes to 169, with 8 Tories voting against the gov: Elliot Colburn, Laura Farris, Luke Hall, Theresa May, Jason McCarthy, Caroline Nokes, Justin Tomlinson, Theresa Villiers.

    What was the vote?
    MPs arrested for serious sexual or violent offences could be banned from attending Parliament rather than just MPs who are charged as the government proposed
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-69006187
    Sounds a bit draconion. Guilty till proven innocent?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,913
    edited May 13
    Perhaps the Leeds students were worried about their moonlighting chaplin being arrested for torturing prisoners? Maybe cyclefree will do an expose on Israels treatment of prisoners?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTmXEl__Vu4
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    As reported on the VoteUK forum, the government has been defeated in the Commons this evening by 188 votes to 169, with 8 Tories voting against the gov: Elliot Colburn, Laura Farris, Luke Hall, Theresa May, Jason McCarthy, Caroline Nokes, Justin Tomlinson, Theresa Villiers.

    What was the vote?
    MPs arrested for serious sexual or violent offences could be banned from attending Parliament rather than just MPs who are charged as the government proposed
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-69006187
    Sounds a bit draconion. Guilty till proven innocent?
    Virtue signalling from MPs.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    Education is completely fucked as we know it. Go on TwiX and spend ten minutes looking at trends and you’ll know why. Most universities are therefore doomed anyway
    You, as ever, overstate your case. We are in a period of challenge, but you need to answer the question - what are universities for, before you decide their fate.
    A few will survive as finishing schools - and networking centres - for the rich elite. Some advanced tech institutes will survive. The rest will be gone: 80-90% of further education. There is no reason for them any more

    And thank god they are going, to be honest. Most of the really poisonous Woke shit has its origin in post-war academe. Get rid
    As your last contact with uni was some thirty years ago, I wonder how much you understand about how universities operate?
    I’m not allowed to discuss this. Go to reddit and you’ll see why unis are finished as we know them. Indeed all education

    To get it back to politics people are very hard on Sunak. But he absolutely gets this in a way someone like Starmer obviously doesn’t. The next 5-10 years of change will leave societies unrecognisable. Its gonna be like fifty years condensed into 6 and a quarter

    And now I’m going to read Eric Newby, drink Primitivo, and sleep. Night night PB. Buonanotte
    The only problem is most people already feel like we've had 50 years condensed into the last 10 or 15, and if anything they'd like things to slow down a lot.
    You can't unlearn what has been learned. The genie is out of the bag.
    Cat or bottle.
    Why would a genie be inside a cat?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,634
    edited May 13
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    Education is completely fucked as we know it. Go on TwiX and spend ten minutes looking at trends and you’ll know why. Most universities are therefore doomed anyway
    You, as ever, overstate your case. We are in a period of challenge, but you need to answer the question - what are universities for, before you decide their fate.
    A few will survive as finishing schools - and networking centres - for the rich elite. Some advanced tech institutes will survive. The rest will be gone: 80-90% of further education. There is no reason for them any more

    And thank god they are going, to be honest. Most of the really poisonous Woke shit has its origin in post-war academe. Get rid
    As your last contact with uni was some thirty years ago, I wonder how much you understand about how universities operate?
    I’m not allowed to discuss this. Go to reddit and you’ll see why unis are finished as we know them. Indeed all education

    To get it back to politics people are very hard on Sunak. But he absolutely gets this in a way someone like Starmer obviously doesn’t. The next 5-10 years of change will leave societies unrecognisable. Its gonna be like fifty years condensed into 6 and a quarter

    And now I’m going to read Eric Newby, drink Primitivo, and sleep. Night night PB. Buonanotte
    The only problem is most people already feel like we've had 50 years condensed into the last 10 or 15, and if anything they'd like things to slow down a lot.
    You can't unlearn what has been learned. The genie is out of the bag.
    Cat or bottle.
    Why would a genie be inside a cat?
    An old lady swallowed a cat to catch the genie.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,589
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    Education is completely fucked as we know it. Go on TwiX and spend ten minutes looking at trends and you’ll know why. Most universities are therefore doomed anyway
    You, as ever, overstate your case. We are in a period of challenge, but you need to answer the question - what are universities for, before you decide their fate.
    A few will survive as finishing schools - and networking centres - for the rich elite. Some advanced tech institutes will survive. The rest will be gone: 80-90% of further education. There is no reason for them any more

    And thank god they are going, to be honest. Most of the really poisonous Woke shit has its origin in post-war academe. Get rid
    As your last contact with uni was some thirty years ago, I wonder how much you understand about how universities operate?
    I’m not allowed to discuss this. Go to reddit and you’ll see why unis are finished as we know them. Indeed all education

    To get it back to politics people are very hard on Sunak. But he absolutely gets this in a way someone like Starmer obviously doesn’t. The next 5-10 years of change will leave societies unrecognisable. Its gonna be like fifty years condensed into 6 and a quarter

    And now I’m going to read Eric Newby, drink Primitivo, and sleep. Night night PB. Buonanotte
    Quelle surprise you issue is redacted. I should have guessed.
    Do you think redacted will replace all pharmacists? All doctors? All chemical engineers? All mechanical engineers? Etc.
    What is happening is people are using redacted in their research, to do even better and more exciting research. Possibilities are amazing.

    No. You are entirely wrong. Things will go better for you if you accept this: your career structure, your professional life as you know it, is doomed. This is honest and sincere advice

    Better to be prepared, mentally, than horribly surprised
    You are spamming the site with AI doom porn again, and also being unpleasant. Why?
    I’m really really not. I actually like @turbotubbs

    I like almost everyone on PB, believe it or not. We are a kind of community. A pub. As we have often discussed

    Here I am giving honest advice. @turbotubbs is free to ignore it. Everyone is free to call me an idiot. But this is my sincere opinion, offered in good faith

    And now I really must abed. I can heartily recommend Eric Newby’s Love and War in the Appenines (esp if you need something to read in Italy). Splendid book. Buonanotte
    You are spamming PB with your inexpert view on a subject you are not meant to discuss, and giving your usual alarmist views that are based on little other than your febrile imagination.

    I'm also amused by the way you are suggesting Reddit is an expert source on this matter. Yes, it can have experts on it, and many insightful posts/comments, but you need to know enough about the subject to sort the what from the chaff, or even the reality from the hype. You do not have that capability.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    Hard rain is gonna fall...




    Jim Pickard 🐋
    @PickardJE
    number of international students paying deposits to study at UK universities has “plummeted” after Sunak put restrictions on education visas

    Enroly said deposits to a sample of 24 British universities had declined 57% year-on-year as of May

    via
    @pmdfoster

    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1790087162223849769

    That's university finances (and incidentally our balance of payments) screwed.
    It will be catastrophic for a significant number of universities.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
    None of those will be easy fixes given the likely fall in university income.

    Questioning the societal benefit isn't a fix at all; it's just a rationale for shutting them down.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    .

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    Education is completely fucked as we know it. Go on TwiX and spend ten minutes looking at trends and you’ll know why. Most universities are therefore doomed anyway
    You, as ever, overstate your case. We are in a period of challenge, but you need to answer the question - what are universities for, before you decide their fate.
    A few will survive as finishing schools - and networking centres - for the rich elite. Some advanced tech institutes will survive. The rest will be gone: 80-90% of further education. There is no reason for them any more

    And thank god they are going, to be honest. Most of the really poisonous Woke shit has its origin in post-war academe. Get rid
    As your last contact with uni was some thirty years ago, I wonder how much you understand about how universities operate?
    I’m not allowed to discuss this. Go to reddit and you’ll see why unis are finished as we know them. Indeed all education

    To get it back to politics people are very hard on Sunak. But he absolutely gets this in a way someone like Starmer obviously doesn’t. The next 5-10 years of change will leave societies unrecognisable. Its gonna be like fifty years condensed into 6 and a quarter

    And now I’m going to read Eric Newby, drink Primitivo, and sleep. Night night PB. Buonanotte
    Quelle surprise you issue is redacted. I should have guessed.
    Do you think redacted will replace all pharmacists? All doctors? All chemical engineers? All mechanical engineers? Etc.
    What is happening is people are using redacted in their research, to do even better and more exciting research. Possibilities are amazing.

    No. You are entirely wrong. Things will go better for you if you accept this: your career structure, your professional life as you know it, is doomed. This is honest and sincere advice

    Better to be prepared, mentally, than horribly surprised
    You are spamming the site with AI doom porn again, and also being unpleasant. Why?
    I’m really really not. I actually like @turbotubbs

    I like almost everyone on PB, believe it or not. We are a kind of community. A pub. As we have often discussed

    Here I am giving honest advice. @turbotubbs is free to ignore it. Everyone is free to call me an idiot. But this is my sincere opinion, offered in good faith

    And now I really must abed. I can heartily recommend Eric Newby’s Love and War in the Appenines (esp if you need something to read in Italy). Splendid book. Buonanotte
    You are spamming PB with your inexpert view on a subject you are not meant to discuss, and giving your usual alarmist views that are based on little other than your febrile imagination.

    I'm also amused by the way you are suggesting Reddit is an expert source on this matter. Yes, it can have experts on it, and many insightful posts/comments, but you need to know enough about the subject to sort the what from the chaff, or even the reality from the hype. You do not have that capability.
    Leon vibe based policy making is some really poisonous shit, to borrow his phrase.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Weight loss drug could reduce heart attack risk by 20%, study finds
    Researchers say semaglutide, the active ingredient in Wegovy and Ozempic, could be
    biggest medical breakthrough since statin
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/article/2024/may/14/weight-loss-drug-semaglutide-reduce-heart-attack-risk-study

    "..Regardless of their starting weight.."
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    That's another remarkable result for combination immunotherapy.
    Glioblastoma is a really hard target.

    Richard Scolyer: Top doctor remains brain cancer-free after a year
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-69006713
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,078
    Leon said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    Education is completely fucked as we know it. Go on TwiX and spend ten minutes looking at trends and you’ll know why. Most universities are therefore doomed anyway
    There now seems to be 100% concordance between your political views and those of Salazat's estado novo in Portugal.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,565
    edited May 14
    kjh said:




    400 miles from Death Valley to Grand Canyon in time for sunset via the Hoover Dam today.

    I'm with @Leon on enjoying stuff without all the other tourists even though I know it is completely hypocritical, but Death Valley was glorious being almost alone (and just a little scary at points when visiting the volcano alone in the middle of nowhere and when a coyote came begging) The Hoover Dam and Grand Canyon are too busy. Off for a helicopter trip tomorrow.

    @BlancheLivermore I'm glad you enjoyed the tart and drink I recommend from the Basque region. They are two of my favourites.

    Hope you get to see the Painted Desert and Meteor Crater while you there.

    Just look out for the speed cop at the bottom of the big hill near Snowflake...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    Nigelb said:

    That's another remarkable result for combination immunotherapy.
    Glioblastoma is a really hard target.

    Richard Scolyer: Top doctor remains brain cancer-free after a year
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-69006713

    That's great news.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    Nigelb said:

    Hard rain is gonna fall...




    Jim Pickard 🐋
    @PickardJE
    number of international students paying deposits to study at UK universities has “plummeted” after Sunak put restrictions on education visas

    Enroly said deposits to a sample of 24 British universities had declined 57% year-on-year as of May

    via
    @pmdfoster

    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1790087162223849769

    That's university finances (and incidentally our balance of payments) screwed.
    It will be catastrophic for a significant number of universities.
    They're nothing but visa factories for migration, and dependents in particular.

    If dozens of marginal universities close I can't say I'm bothered.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,063
    Nigelb said:

    Hard rain is gonna fall...




    Jim Pickard 🐋
    @PickardJE
    number of international students paying deposits to study at UK universities has “plummeted” after Sunak put restrictions on education visas

    Enroly said deposits to a sample of 24 British universities had declined 57% year-on-year as of May

    via
    @pmdfoster

    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1790087162223849769

    That's university finances (and incidentally our balance of payments) screwed.
    It will be catastrophic for a significant number of universities.
    University finances face significant problems. Sunak’s performative but mixed messages on immigration and overseas student numbers are unhelpful. However, I’m not convinced that the visa changes are responsible for all of the 57% drop. Some of the drop appears to be because of economic circumstances in China, meaning people have less money to send their kids abroad to study.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,784
    Nigelb said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
    None of those will be easy fixes given the likely fall in university income.

    Questioning the societal benefit isn't a fix at all; it's just a rationale for shutting them down.
    People on the right seem to have turned very anti-education. It's definitely become a thing, all quite MAGA and a wee bit disturbing.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,262

    Nigelb said:

    Hard rain is gonna fall...




    Jim Pickard 🐋
    @PickardJE
    number of international students paying deposits to study at UK universities has “plummeted” after Sunak put restrictions on education visas

    Enroly said deposits to a sample of 24 British universities had declined 57% year-on-year as of May

    via
    @pmdfoster

    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1790087162223849769

    That's university finances (and incidentally our balance of payments) screwed.
    It will be catastrophic for a significant number of universities.
    University finances face significant problems. Sunak’s performative but mixed messages on immigration and overseas student numbers are unhelpful. However, I’m not convinced that the visa changes are responsible for all of the 57% drop. Some of the drop appears to be because of economic circumstances in China, meaning people have less money to send their kids abroad to study.
    I think there is also an element of reassessment by the purchasers of what they are getting for the money.

    The increases in full fees for university have been way past inflation for a long time. There almost seemed to be a race to be the most expensive. And an assumption that demand was nearly infinite.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,830
    Cohen spoke to the core of the case against Trump late yesterday, going through how he paid the $130k to get the NDA from Daniels and how he was refunded for this and other expenses as fees for legal services from Trump. He also explained that these payments were then grossed up to $360k to reflect the fact that he would have to pay taxes on the payments he had made since he was claiming it back as income.

    There have been several comments that the prosecutors somewhat rushed through this part of the evidence which was highly technical but they seem to be trying to give Cohen less to defend when crossed and kept his answers exceptionally brief. As much as possible they wanted Cohen to simply corroborate what the jury had already heard from Hope, Daniels and Pecker. He did this.

    The question remains as to whether seeking to bury a story which Trump disputed but which could be politically damaging was actually a crime. It is, at the least, a novel contention. Campaigns have done this forever and it is somewhat contradictory to claim that there was tax evasion going on here when the result of the scheme is that the Trump Org paid more than twice the original cost to allow for the payment of tax. Trump's lawyers are going to have a serious go at getting this case dismissed on what we would call a no case to answer basis when the prosecution finishes their case which may be as soon as next week.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,262

    Nigelb said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
    None of those will be easy fixes given the likely fall in university income.

    Questioning the societal benefit isn't a fix at all; it's just a rationale for shutting them down.
    People on the right seem to have turned very anti-education. It's definitely become a thing, all quite MAGA and a wee bit disturbing.
    On the other hand, after we spend quite a bit on sending 50% of the population to university, we have massive skills shortages. Which means that many of the highest paid jobs go to people recruited from abroad.

    This means that a large group continue to be “left behind”.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    DavidL said:

    Cohen spoke to the core of the case against Trump late yesterday, going through how he paid the $130k to get the NDA from Daniels and how he was refunded for this and other expenses as fees for legal services from Trump. He also explained that these payments were then grossed up to $360k to reflect the fact that he would have to pay taxes on the payments he had made since he was claiming it back as income.

    There have been several comments that the prosecutors somewhat rushed through this part of the evidence which was highly technical but they seem to be trying to give Cohen less to defend when crossed and kept his answers exceptionally brief. As much as possible they wanted Cohen to simply corroborate what the jury had already heard from Hope, Daniels and Pecker. He did this.

    The question remains as to whether seeking to bury a story which Trump disputed but which could be politically damaging was actually a crime. It is, at the least, a novel contention. Campaigns have done this forever and it is somewhat contradictory to claim that there was tax evasion going on here when the result of the scheme is that the Trump Org paid more than twice the original cost to allow for the payment of tax. Trump's lawyers are going to have a serious go at getting this case dismissed on what we would call a no case to answer basis when the prosecution finishes their case which may be as soon as next week.

    Wasn't the reason Cohen ratted that DJT fucked him and he never got paid?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388
    Dura_Ace said:

    DavidL said:

    Cohen spoke to the core of the case against Trump late yesterday, going through how he paid the $130k to get the NDA from Daniels and how he was refunded for this and other expenses as fees for legal services from Trump. He also explained that these payments were then grossed up to $360k to reflect the fact that he would have to pay taxes on the payments he had made since he was claiming it back as income.

    There have been several comments that the prosecutors somewhat rushed through this part of the evidence which was highly technical but they seem to be trying to give Cohen less to defend when crossed and kept his answers exceptionally brief. As much as possible they wanted Cohen to simply corroborate what the jury had already heard from Hope, Daniels and Pecker. He did this.

    The question remains as to whether seeking to bury a story which Trump disputed but which could be politically damaging was actually a crime. It is, at the least, a novel contention. Campaigns have done this forever and it is somewhat contradictory to claim that there was tax evasion going on here when the result of the scheme is that the Trump Org paid more than twice the original cost to allow for the payment of tax. Trump's lawyers are going to have a serious go at getting this case dismissed on what we would call a no case to answer basis when the prosecution finishes their case which may be as soon as next week.

    Wasn't the reason Cohen ratted that DJT fucked him and he never got paid?
    #DonPoorleone
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,589

    Nigelb said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
    None of those will be easy fixes given the likely fall in university income.

    Questioning the societal benefit isn't a fix at all; it's just a rationale for shutting them down.
    People on the right seem to have turned very anti-education. It's definitely become a thing, all quite MAGA and a wee bit disturbing.
    On the other hand, after we spend quite a bit on sending 50% of the population to university, we have massive skills shortages. Which means that many of the highest paid jobs go to people recruited from abroad.

    This means that a large group continue to be “left behind”.
    On a potentially controversial topic:

    Is there any evidence that mandatory degrees for nurses, introduced back in 2009, has improved nursing care?

    Surely there must have been studies, one way or the other?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388
    edited May 14

    Nigelb said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
    None of those will be easy fixes given the likely fall in university income.

    Questioning the societal benefit isn't a fix at all; it's just a rationale for shutting them down.
    People on the right seem to have turned very anti-education. It's definitely become a thing, all quite MAGA and a wee bit disturbing.
    On the other hand, after we spend quite a bit on sending 50% of the population to university, we have massive skills shortages. Which means that many of the highest paid jobs go to people recruited from abroad.

    This means that a large group continue to be “left behind”.
    On a potentially controversial topic:

    Is there any evidence that mandatory degrees for nurses, introduced back in 2009, has improved nursing care?

    Surely there must have been studies, one way or the other?
    It is an interesting thought that most newly qualified nurses probably have a more thorough medical training than my GP as a child (qualified 1958) did.

    What that means for nursing care is another question.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,784

    Nigelb said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
    None of those will be easy fixes given the likely fall in university income.

    Questioning the societal benefit isn't a fix at all; it's just a rationale for shutting them down.
    People on the right seem to have turned very anti-education. It's definitely become a thing, all quite MAGA and a wee bit disturbing.
    On the other hand, after we spend quite a bit on sending 50% of the population to university, we have massive skills shortages. Which means that many of the highest paid jobs go to people recruited from abroad.

    This means that a large group continue to be “left behind”.
    Is there any PB contributor who thinks too many people go to university who doesn't want their own kids to go to university?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Chief Exec of UK universities:



    vivienne stern
    @viviennestern
    Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.

    https://twitter.com/viviennestern/status/1790113948873736449

    Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts.
    Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
    another mess for starmer and co.

    Sunak and Hunt are salting the earth for every public organisation and many private ones.
    To be honest, if not allowing dependents to come with "students" knocks 100k+ or more off the net immigration that will be a good thing. Does anyone really believe that these families have been coming here so someone can be a student? Yet another door that has been swinging wide open because politicians only pretend to care when there is an election on. Its embarrassing that it wasn't done years ago.
    It is a joke, why would adult students need to bring all their family, unbelievable the morons who run England. Can only assume it is down to the trauma they endure at their boarding schools.
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