vivienne stern @viviennestern Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.
Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts. Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
another mess for starmer and co.
Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
None of those will be easy fixes given the likely fall in university income.
Questioning the societal benefit isn't a fix at all; it's just a rationale for shutting them down.
People on the right seem to have turned very anti-education. It's definitely become a thing, all quite MAGA and a wee bit disturbing.
On the other hand, after we spend quite a bit on sending 50% of the population to university, we have massive skills shortages. Which means that many of the highest paid jobs go to people recruited from abroad.
This means that a large group continue to be “left behind”.
Many do stupid and useless courses that are as much use for employment as an ashtray on a motorbike. Get rid of teh shitload of crap courses and concentrate where there are skills shortages.
On this topic, again we come back to the fact that it's not universities as a whole but the faculties within them that should be assessed with a cold eye.
For example, if Oxford shut its medical and scientific faculties would be a genuine loss to not just the country but the planet.
But would anyone really miss a classics faculty that gives us such intellectual luminaries as Catherine Nixey and Massive Johnson?
Jim Pickard 🐋 @PickardJE number of international students paying deposits to study at UK universities has “plummeted” after Sunak put restrictions on education visas
Enroly said deposits to a sample of 24 British universities had declined 57% year-on-year as of May
Interestingly the Chaplin at Leeds University who was apparently in hiding for being Jewish had in fact been away fighting for the IDF. The Palestinian supporters on campus didn't chase the man into hiding as reported by cyclefree but wanted to know why he was allowed to be employed by the university while moonlighting for the IDF.
Fair question I'd say. Are there no limits to how many foreign armies you can join if you're a British citizen?
Well if they can join ISIS and return no problem , why would IDF be an issue.
vivienne stern @viviennestern Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.
Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts. Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
another mess for starmer and co.
Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
None of those will be easy fixes given the likely fall in university income.
Questioning the societal benefit isn't a fix at all; it's just a rationale for shutting them down.
People on the right seem to have turned very anti-education. It's definitely become a thing, all quite MAGA and a wee bit disturbing.
On the other hand, after we spend quite a bit on sending 50% of the population to university, we have massive skills shortages. Which means that many of the highest paid jobs go to people recruited from abroad.
This means that a large group continue to be “left behind”.
On a potentially controversial topic:
Is there any evidence that mandatory degrees for nurses, introduced back in 2009, has improved nursing care?
Surely there must have been studies, one way or the other?
Many of those degrees are now via Nurse Apprenticeships, so in effect very similar to the RGN training that Mrs Foxy did in the early Eighties. These are tuition fee free and substantially practically based.
vivienne stern @viviennestern Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.
Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts. Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
another mess for starmer and co.
Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
None of those will be easy fixes given the likely fall in university income.
Questioning the societal benefit isn't a fix at all; it's just a rationale for shutting them down.
People on the right seem to have turned very anti-education. It's definitely become a thing, all quite MAGA and a wee bit disturbing.
On the other hand, after we spend quite a bit on sending 50% of the population to university, we have massive skills shortages. Which means that many of the highest paid jobs go to people recruited from abroad.
This means that a large group continue to be “left behind”.
On a potentially controversial topic:
Is there any evidence that mandatory degrees for nurses, introduced back in 2009, has improved nursing care?
Surely there must have been studies, one way or the other?
It is an interesting thought that most newly qualified nurses probably have a more thorough medical training than my GP as a child (qualified 1958) did.
What that means for nursing care is another question.
Instead of train nurses for years in medicine and giving them a certificate saying they are a nurse…
We train nurses for years in medicine and give them a certificate saying they have a degree in nursing.
Removing the degree would do exactly what giving the degree did - changed nothing.
vivienne stern @viviennestern Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.
Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts. Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
Education is completely fucked as we know it. Go on TwiX and spend ten minutes looking at trends and you’ll know why. Most universities are therefore doomed anyway
You, as ever, overstate your case. We are in a period of challenge, but you need to answer the question - what are universities for, before you decide their fate.
A few will survive as finishing schools - and networking centres - for the rich elite. Some advanced tech institutes will survive. The rest will be gone: 80-90% of further education. There is no reason for them any more
And thank god they are going, to be honest. Most of the really poisonous Woke shit has its origin in post-war academe. Get rid
As your last contact with uni was some thirty years ago, I wonder how much you understand about how universities operate?
I’m not allowed to discuss this. Go to reddit and you’ll see why unis are finished as we know them. Indeed all education
To get it back to politics people are very hard on Sunak. But he absolutely gets this in a way someone like Starmer obviously doesn’t. The next 5-10 years of change will leave societies unrecognisable. Its gonna be like fifty years condensed into 6 and a quarter
And now I’m going to read Eric Newby, drink Primitivo, and sleep. Night night PB. Buonanotte
Quelle surprise you issue is redacted. I should have guessed. Do you think redacted will replace all pharmacists? All doctors? All chemical engineers? All mechanical engineers? Etc. What is happening is people are using redacted in their research, to do even better and more exciting research. Possibilities are amazing.
No. You are entirely wrong. Things will go better for you if you accept this: your career structure, your professional life as you know it, is doomed. This is honest and sincere advice
Better to be prepared, mentally, than horribly surprised
You are spamming the site with AI doom porn again, and also being unpleasant. Why?
Look out the Stasi thought police are out and about. We will give the orders.
Interestingly the Chaplin at Leeds University who was apparently in hiding for being Jewish had in fact been away fighting for the IDF. The Palestinian supporters on campus didn't chase the man into hiding as reported by cyclefree but wanted to know why he was allowed to be employed by the university while moonlighting for the IDF.
Fair question I'd say. Are there no limits to how many foreign armies you can join if you're a British citizen?
Well if they can join ISIS and return no problem , why would IDF be an issue.
vivienne stern @viviennestern Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.
Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts. Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
another mess for starmer and co.
Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
None of those will be easy fixes given the likely fall in university income.
Questioning the societal benefit isn't a fix at all; it's just a rationale for shutting them down.
People on the right seem to have turned very anti-education. It's definitely become a thing, all quite MAGA and a wee bit disturbing.
On the other hand, after we spend quite a bit on sending 50% of the population to university, we have massive skills shortages. Which means that many of the highest paid jobs go to people recruited from abroad.
This means that a large group continue to be “left behind”.
On a potentially controversial topic:
Is there any evidence that mandatory degrees for nurses, introduced back in 2009, has improved nursing care?
Surely there must have been studies, one way or the other?
It is an interesting thought that most newly qualified nurses probably have a more thorough medical training than my GP as a child (qualified 1958) did.
What that means for nursing care is another question.
Instead of train nurses for years in medicine and giving them a certificate saying they are a nurse…
We train nurses for years in medicine and give them a certificate saying they have a degree in nursing.
Removing the degree would do exactly what giving the degree did - changed nothing.
Would it improve the following (from 2018):
"One in four student nurses drop out of their degrees before graduation"
vivienne stern @viviennestern Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.
Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts. Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
another mess for starmer and co.
Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
None of those will be easy fixes given the likely fall in university income.
Questioning the societal benefit isn't a fix at all; it's just a rationale for shutting them down.
People on the right seem to have turned very anti-education. It's definitely become a thing, all quite MAGA and a wee bit disturbing.
On the other hand, after we spend quite a bit on sending 50% of the population to university, we have massive skills shortages. Which means that many of the highest paid jobs go to people recruited from abroad.
This means that a large group continue to be “left behind”.
Is there any PB contributor who thinks too many people go to university who doesn't want their own kids to go to university?
I don’t think too many people go to university. I question how we have 50% of the population going to uni, and we require recruiting abroad to fill extremely well paid jobs in the City (for example).
Why don’t we condemn more of our youth to a life of penury and privation as NHS Consultants?
Maybe this Education isn’t educating enough? Maybe it’s about as good as the Ajax APC for the Army?
vivienne stern @viviennestern Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.
Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts. Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
another mess for starmer and co.
Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
A lot/most/all unis have been mainlining on foreign students paying twice or more the rate for a UK student.
How high can Starmer raise the cap for domestic students in first years of his premiership?
It's a massive headache.
Inflation has eroded the fee cap by about a third. It isn't tenable to continue that freeze with or without subsidy from the overseas students.
Imagine how the Scottish Universities are placed with the Scottish government paying not much more than half on behalf of students "entitled" to a "free" education. I am honestly surprised that some have not failed financially and been forced to close.
My best man worked for a time at one of the Glasgow Unis. We once had a long argument about why the fee increase for English unis adversly affected Scottish ones. I didn’t really get the point for a while, but it was about the lack of money overall making them less competitive.
The better Scottish Universities did well in attracting English students willing to pay them £9k a year for courses that the SG was paying just over £5k for. Boris threatened to close that loophole but I don't think he did. The number of funded places available for Scottish student has been falling because the budget simply can't stretch to cover the cost of those who want to attend for this "free" education. Ironically, this has driven quite a lot of Scottish students south, willing to take on English fees to get a better education or a University place. One of these is my son.
But your friend is right. The likes of Edinburgh, Glasgow and St Andrews have balanced the books with ever increasing numbers of foreign students paying up to £20k a year for some courses. How the strand below that are coping is a mystery to me.
David insinuating that you have to go to England to get a decent education is pure bollox. There are brilliant universities in Scotland that are a match for anywhere in the world. Wanting to boast that you went to Oxford or Cambridge is not down to lack of good university courses in Scotland, just means you can buy a bragging place if you have lots of money.
On this topic, again we come back to the fact that it's not universities as a whole but the faculties within them that should be assessed with a cold eye.
For example, if Oxford shut its medical and scientific faculties would be a genuine loss to not just the country but the planet.
But would anyone really miss a classics faculty that gives us such intellectual luminaries as Catherine Nixey and Massive Johnson?
Virtually all other developed economies have similar numbers as us going into Tertiary education, the exceptions being Italy (noted for fine food and economic stagnation) and Germany, where there is much better technical education and a much larger manufacturing and engineering sector.
There is certainly a problem of many UK degrees being poor quality, not helped by the fact that tuition fees have been eroded to the point of not covering costs, and containing much less face to face time than is usual in competing countries. The problem is not too many going to University, but rather what they do there.
vivienne stern @viviennestern Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.
Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts. Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
another mess for starmer and co.
Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
None of those will be easy fixes given the likely fall in university income.
Questioning the societal benefit isn't a fix at all; it's just a rationale for shutting them down.
People on the right seem to have turned very anti-education. It's definitely become a thing, all quite MAGA and a wee bit disturbing.
On the other hand, after we spend quite a bit on sending 50% of the population to university, we have massive skills shortages. Which means that many of the highest paid jobs go to people recruited from abroad.
This means that a large group continue to be “left behind”.
Is there any PB contributor who thinks too many people go to university who doesn't want their own kids to go to university?
Good morning
I didn't go to University but only a select few did in 1960 but then neither did any of my 3 children but all of them are successful
Indeed my granddaughter is presently at Turin University but it looks like her brother is to go to technical college here locally
Far too many go to university when other career paths are available with wonderful future career prosprcts and no university fees to act as a lifetime mortgage
I would also say that politicians and journalists are a terrible advert for university
Why did all this trans stuff get politicised? It used to be a totally non-political topic.
Stonewall needed a new money making scheme and so it was trans, they conned all the woke halfwits, persuaded gullible idiots that they needed to use women's safe areas as a right and soon every weirdo and halfwit was promoting it , including thick politicians. There came a point when the public got sick of it and now we see the results.
Jim Pickard 🐋 @PickardJE number of international students paying deposits to study at UK universities has “plummeted” after Sunak put restrictions on education visas
Enroly said deposits to a sample of 24 British universities had declined 57% year-on-year as of May
Interestingly the Chaplin at Leeds University who was apparently in hiding for being Jewish had in fact been away fighting for the IDF. The Palestinian supporters on campus didn't chase the man into hiding as reported by cyclefree but wanted to know why he was allowed to be employed by the university while moonlighting for the IDF.
Fair question I'd say. Are there no limits to how many foreign armies you can join if you're a British citizen?
Well if they can join ISIS and return no problem , why would IDF be an issue.
Interestingly the Chaplin at Leeds University who was apparently in hiding for being Jewish had in fact been away fighting for the IDF. The Palestinian supporters on campus didn't chase the man into hiding as reported by cyclefree but wanted to know why he was allowed to be employed by the university while moonlighting for the IDF.
Fair question I'd say. Are there no limits to how many foreign armies you can join if you're a British citizen?
Well if they can join ISIS and return no problem , why would IDF be an issue.
Shamina Begum hasn't returned...
1 out of 10, ooo is not a bad ratio, had to be one fall guy to salve the national conscience, she got teh short straw. @Sunil_Prasannan
Cohen spoke to the core of the case against Trump late yesterday, going through how he paid the $130k to get the NDA from Daniels and how he was refunded for this and other expenses as fees for legal services from Trump. He also explained that these payments were then grossed up to $360k to reflect the fact that he would have to pay taxes on the payments he had made since he was claiming it back as income.
There have been several comments that the prosecutors somewhat rushed through this part of the evidence which was highly technical but they seem to be trying to give Cohen less to defend when crossed and kept his answers exceptionally brief. As much as possible they wanted Cohen to simply corroborate what the jury had already heard from Hope, Daniels and Pecker. He did this.
The question remains as to whether seeking to bury a story which Trump disputed but which could be politically damaging was actually a crime. It is, at the least, a novel contention. Campaigns have done this forever and it is somewhat contradictory to claim that there was tax evasion going on here when the result of the scheme is that the Trump Org paid more than twice the original cost to allow for the payment of tax. Trump's lawyers are going to have a serious go at getting this case dismissed on what we would call a no case to answer basis when the prosecution finishes their case which may be as soon as next week.
Wasn't the reason Cohen ratted that DJT fucked him and he never got paid?
No, that was Pecker who owned the National Enquirer at the time. Cohen did get paid but he also got frozen out, not getting the senior post he expected in the Whitehouse after Trump was elected and suffering serious reductions in his income as Trump's "general counsel", reflecting the fact that Trump didn't need him so much once he had the West Wing to help him.
Why Trump froze him out is not entirely clear but even Cohen admits he had "anger issues".
On this topic, again we come back to the fact that it's not universities as a whole but the faculties within them that should be assessed with a cold eye.
For example, if Oxford shut its medical and scientific faculties would be a genuine loss to not just the country but the planet.
But would anyone really miss a classics faculty that gives us such intellectual luminaries as Catherine Nixey and Massive Johnson?
I believe there is a tacit, but nonetheless genuine desire within the Conservative Party to return university education back to the elite 5% to 10%. In that instance Boris Johnson still gets to go to Oxbridge and spread his seed with every Country Life deb of the month for three years.
Reducing the numbers of foreign students, underfunding research, replacing Erasmus with our very own Woolworths version, ludicrous loan repayment rates etc, etc. They can't go out and say, " right that's it we want to close the Universities down to all but the "nicest" people, even though that reduces all sorts of national KPIs. You peasants can all become brickies or hairdressers and pin an NVQ certificate on your bathroom wall". But they would certainly desire it to happen that way.
Reduced to the elite 5%, perhaps they can make it free again.
vivienne stern @viviennestern Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.
Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts. Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
another mess for starmer and co.
Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
None of those will be easy fixes given the likely fall in university income.
Questioning the societal benefit isn't a fix at all; it's just a rationale for shutting them down.
People on the right seem to have turned very anti-education. It's definitely become a thing, all quite MAGA and a wee bit disturbing.
On the other hand, after we spend quite a bit on sending 50% of the population to university, we have massive skills shortages. Which means that many of the highest paid jobs go to people recruited from abroad.
This means that a large group continue to be “left behind”.
Is there any PB contributor who thinks too many people go to university who doesn't want their own kids to go to university?
Buongiorno. A nicely made point. I would argue that my girls are obviously scholastic and cerebral and will benefit from Uni - however I do wonder if every parent might say that.
However I am now advising them to simply choose the course they like, a subject that impassions them. Because almost every job is menaced in the coming years
And universities ARE doomed as we know them: medium term. Maybe the top 10-20% will survive as a mixture of elite finishing schools, niche arts colleges, major tech institutes? Who can say
I just saw a graphic of the top 20 computer technology universities in the world: most are in America, quite a few in china. Just two are in Europe: Oxford and Zurich. None - yes, none - is in the EU
The EU is falling far far behind in this race, and falling fast. Astonishing
vivienne stern @viviennestern Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.
Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts. Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
another mess for starmer and co.
Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
None of those will be easy fixes given the likely fall in university income.
Questioning the societal benefit isn't a fix at all; it's just a rationale for shutting them down.
People on the right seem to have turned very anti-education. It's definitely become a thing, all quite MAGA and a wee bit disturbing.
On the other hand, after we spend quite a bit on sending 50% of the population to university, we have massive skills shortages. Which means that many of the highest paid jobs go to people recruited from abroad.
This means that a large group continue to be “left behind”.
Is there any PB contributor who thinks too many people go to university who doesn't want their own kids to go to university?
I certainly think that too many people are going to University to do low grade courses which all too often make them less employable rather than more, not least because they seem to think a couple of days is a working week. I think that the University sector has grown out of control in recent times and needs some consolidation. I don't quite adhere to the latest @Leon position that the sector is doomed, however.
All my kids went to University. How much they gained from it obviously varies but I don't regret that.
vivienne stern @viviennestern Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.
Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts. Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
another mess for starmer and co.
Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
None of those will be easy fixes given the likely fall in university income.
Questioning the societal benefit isn't a fix at all; it's just a rationale for shutting them down.
People on the right seem to have turned very anti-education. It's definitely become a thing, all quite MAGA and a wee bit disturbing.
On the other hand, after we spend quite a bit on sending 50% of the population to university, we have massive skills shortages. Which means that many of the highest paid jobs go to people recruited from abroad.
This means that a large group continue to be “left behind”.
Is there any PB contributor who thinks too many people go to university who doesn't want their own kids to go to university?
I certainly think that too many people are going to University to do low grade courses which all too often make them less employable rather than more, not least because they seem to think a couple of days is a working week. I think that the University sector has grown out of control in recent times and needs some consolidation. I don't quite adhere to the latest @Leon position that the sector is doomed, however.
All my kids went to University. How much they gained from it obviously varies but I don't regret that.
The education element is only part of the equation the social and networking element is also important.
So many politicians of a certain hue are keen to close down university courses and argue that fee repayments are unaffordable so there is no requirement to go to university. These same people make damn sure their little treasures wind up at a Russell Group establishment.
vivienne stern @viviennestern Government restrictions to international students bringing dependants has already had a big impact: you wanted to bring down student numbers, you have already succeeded. Now good unis all over the country are heading for financial trouble.
Tbf the financial trouble has been there for a while. We are currently on a recruitment ‘chill’. Not a freeze, a chill. So you have to make a really good case for new or replacement posts. Tuition fees for home students have stayed the same for a long time in the face of inflation to everything else. Something will have to give at some point.
another mess for starmer and co.
Some easy fixes - raise the cap on fees, certainly for science and engineering degrees. Think long and hard about bursaries for students from underprivileged backgrounds. Question the societal benefit from a target of 50% of kids attending Uni. Look more at degree apprenticeships.
None of those will be easy fixes given the likely fall in university income.
Questioning the societal benefit isn't a fix at all; it's just a rationale for shutting them down.
People on the right seem to have turned very anti-education. It's definitely become a thing, all quite MAGA and a wee bit disturbing.
On the other hand, after we spend quite a bit on sending 50% of the population to university, we have massive skills shortages. Which means that many of the highest paid jobs go to people recruited from abroad.
This means that a large group continue to be “left behind”.
On a potentially controversial topic:
Is there any evidence that mandatory degrees for nurses, introduced back in 2009, has improved nursing care?
Surely there must have been studies, one way or the other?
I don't know the answer to that question but its important to point out that nursing degrees are different from say an engineering one. Much of the time will be on placement in hospitals, so not unlike the older style training regime. I think some hear nursing degree and equate it to 3 years of boozing on campus.
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For example, if Oxford shut its medical and scientific faculties would be a genuine loss to not just the country but the planet.
But would anyone really miss a classics faculty that gives us such intellectual luminaries as Catherine Nixey and Massive Johnson?
We train nurses for years in medicine and give them a certificate saying they have a degree in nursing.
Removing the degree would do exactly what giving the degree did - changed nothing.
"One in four student nurses drop out of their degrees before graduation"
https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/news/one-in-four-student-nurses-drop-out-of-their-degrees-before-graduation
NEW THREAD
Why don’t we condemn more of our youth to a life of penury and privation as NHS Consultants?
Maybe this Education isn’t educating enough? Maybe it’s about as good as the Ajax APC for the Army?
There is certainly a problem of many UK degrees being poor quality, not helped by the fact that tuition fees have been eroded to the point of not covering costs, and containing much less face to face time than is usual in competing countries. The problem is not too many going to University, but rather what they do there.
I didn't go to University but only a select few did in 1960 but then neither did any of my 3 children but all of them are successful
Indeed my granddaughter is presently at Turin University but it looks like her brother is to go to technical college here locally
Far too many go to university when other career paths are available with wonderful future career prosprcts and no university fees to act as a lifetime mortgage
I would also say that politicians and journalists are a terrible advert for university
we see the results.
If nothing else, kicking out the present government will at least pause that.
Basically, you can join as many armies as you like. As long as the country in question isn’t being rude to Chas or his government.
Why Trump froze him out is not entirely clear but even Cohen admits he had "anger issues".
Reducing the numbers of foreign students, underfunding research, replacing Erasmus with our very own Woolworths version, ludicrous loan repayment rates etc, etc. They can't go out and say, " right that's it we want to close the Universities down to all but the "nicest" people, even though that reduces all sorts of national KPIs. You peasants can all become brickies or hairdressers and pin an NVQ certificate on your bathroom wall". But they would certainly desire it to happen that way.
Reduced to the elite 5%, perhaps they can make it free again.
However I am now advising them to simply choose the course they like, a subject that impassions them. Because almost every job is menaced in the coming years
And universities ARE doomed as we know them: medium term. Maybe the top 10-20% will survive as a mixture of elite finishing schools, niche arts colleges, major tech institutes? Who can say
I just saw a graphic of the top 20 computer technology universities in the world: most are in America, quite a few in china. Just two are in Europe: Oxford and Zurich. None - yes, none - is in the EU
The EU is falling far far behind in this race, and falling fast. Astonishing
All my kids went to University. How much they gained from it obviously varies but I don't regret that.
So many politicians of a certain hue are keen to close down university courses and argue that fee repayments are unaffordable so there is no requirement to go to university. These same people make damn sure their little treasures wind up at a Russell Group establishment.