Patience aside, it seems like she's trying to get herself sacked to increase her stature as the candidate of the base after the election? Not sacking her seems bad because she can just keep escalating until she finds the line that he won't let her cross. The only better option is if he can sack her for something else like corruption or incompetence, but she's no Priti Patel.
The beauty contest. Predictably Truss has used it as an opportunity to display her screwed up fashion sense. That rating behind her second on right looks as if he's thinking 'I wouldn't say no'.
My reaction to those pictures is....was that really the best we had to run our country....
The beauty contest. Predictably Truss has used it as an opportunity to display her screwed up fashion sense. That rating behind her second on right looks as if he's thinking 'I wouldn't say no'.
I'm imaging some sort of crime caper involving all the living past and present British Prime Ministers. "Windsor's Eight" or something.
The beauty contest. Predictably Truss has used it as an opportunity to display her screwed up fashion sense. That rating behind her second on right looks as if he's thinking 'I wouldn't say no'.
I know his dishevelled image is important to him, but I really wish Boris had combed his hair properly, like an adult.
Ironically, given his rep as a short man in shorter trousers, Sunak's suit looks good. Truss's coat - um, I get the point, but I don't think this was the right time for it
The beauty contest. Predictably Truss has used it as an opportunity to display her screwed up fashion sense. That rating behind her second on right looks as if he's thinking 'I wouldn't say no'.
I'm imaging some sort of crime caper involving all the living past and present British Prime Ministers. "Windsor's Eight" or something.
Major's still in good nick. There'll be nine next year.
I didn't go on the march myself but a friend of mine did and he says it went off ok. Very little trouble, esp when you consider the size of it.
PS: @Nigelb@Theuniondivvie Cheers for clearing up the confusion on PT around the post where I reference NON racist @Casino_Royale - it would have been most unfortunate (!) if that had been left with the eponymous under the diametrically wrong impression.
lol. K. “A friend”
Why didn’t you go see the march? I’m curious. You live in London and you’re deeply interested in politics - this was raw, fascinating politics on London streets, and it was lovely and sunny
Of course if you had prior engagements fair enough but I’d have thought it would interest someone like you
The beauty contest. Predictably Truss has used it as an opportunity to display her screwed up fashion sense. That rating behind her second on right looks as if he's thinking 'I wouldn't say no'.
I'm imaging some sort of crime caper involving all the living past and present British Prime Ministers. "Windsor's Eight" or something.
'We're putting the old team back together again and they hate each other guts!' 'Sly Stallone IS Boris Johnson!'
The beauty contest. Predictably Truss has used it as an opportunity to display her screwed up fashion sense. That rating behind her second on right looks as if he's thinking 'I wouldn't say no'.
I'm imaging some sort of crime caper involving all the living past and present British Prime Ministers. "Windsor's Eight" or something.
'We're putting the old team back together again and they hate each other guts!' 'Sly Stallone IS Boris Johnson!'
Miss the (supposed) donkey jacket still. The one the Queen Mum liked, in fact.
I must say I find it baffling that a magazine as well known as The Spectator would publish an account of yesterdays march by someone who everyone on here knows to be a fantasist at best.
France is having a march against antisemitism. Jean Luc Melenchon won't be there as he thinks it is a 'rendezvous for unconditional supporters of the massacre' - referring to Gazans. Hopefully it will attract large numbers and might be an inspiration for something in the UK. The figure of Le Pen will loom large, which I don't doubt is a problem for many but hopefully the event is as broadly based as possible.
Leon - anything incorrect or just selective reporting that you are complaining about?
Deeply selective reporting
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
That is the summary from the Live page. If we look instead at the BBC's main story, it does mention Gove (with video), the PM condemning both sides, and the police issuing three pictures of pro-Palestine marchers they want to identify. It says there have been 188 hate crime arrests, most for antisemitic offences, since 7th October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
The only real complaint I can see about the BBC Live reporting Leon complains about is that this refers to a splinter group of pro-Palestine marchers but that is not mentioned in the summary: Officers also intercepted a group of 150. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face
However scrolling down finds a fuller account which is:- Arrests made after officers struck by fireworks - police Earlier we reported that officers detained a breakaway group of about 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The statement from the assistant commissioner says the group of 150 were "wearing face coverings and firing fireworks".
He says "arrests were made" after some officers were struck in the face with fireworks.
His statement adds that the Met will be publishing images people suspected to have committed offences, such as showing support for UK proscribed terrorist organisations, including Hamas.
And earlier than that, where it becomes clear the BBC reporters did not see this first-hand:-
We've had another update from the Metropolitan Police to say that officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The group in Grosvenor Place in Belgravia were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings, the force says in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Officers are detaining and searching those involved under Section 60 and 60AA powers, the Met adds.
The Met is using the word detained in its statement, but this may not be the same as being arrested. BBC News is asking the Met for more information.
Channel 4 news partiality, or lack of it, is certainly not a surprise. It’s becoming a bit of a left of centre GB News.
There was a group of casuals detained by the police yesterday to prevent a breach of the peace.
People who call all casuals neo nazi or far right are wrong. Some will be.
Most just turn up for,a ruck and a pissup. They were even brawling among themselves. Their politics goes across the whole spectrum. They just like a tear up.
I'm amused by the way Linekar and others are complaining about them being called "Football Hooligans". Their clubs might not have been playing, but they are organised through the diseased sport he earns millions from us to speak cr@p about.
My son and his U15 team play every week, they train twice a week. Every weekend hundreds of thousands of mostly young people give their all, getting fresh air and exercise and learning about teamwork and dedication. Millions watch games, enjoying the excitement and spectacle of a beautiful game that enjoys global appeal. A few frustrated, angry, violent men who attach themselves to the game for the purpose of violence do not represent it. Diseased sport my arse.
Josias has an irrational hatred of our national game, and knows sod all about it. He is best ignored on this topic.
It's really not irrational. And whilst some may see it as "our national game", that does not mean that it has to define our nation. Especially as most of the nation don't follow it, perhaps aside from 'special' games.
Football has massive issues, both nationally and internationally. Ignoring those issues, or turning a blind eye to them, does the sport, and its fans, no good.
You know nothing about football. A period of silence from you on this matter would be welcome.
LOL. Nah. Why are you so keen to defend the sport? Are you saying that it has no issues; that there are not deep problems within it? If so, then I'd argue you know nothing about the sport. And if you just want to silence voices pointing out those issues, then you too have issues.
You seek to slur a game enjoyed by literally millions every weekend. Before you embarrass yourself further, start with some simple mathematics. How many people watch football on an average weekend compared to rugby or cricket? Once you have done your sums come back to me.
And your point is? Does that make the problems in the sport automagically disappear?
I guess you're in the category in the last line in my previous post.
My point is that it’s a tiny proportion of people among millions who watch the game every weekend, orders of magnitude more than watch rugby or cricket, which are niche sports in comparison. As with any mass attended event, you will get some trouble occasionally. But you know this, your personal biases against football are compromising your ability to do simple mathematics.
Great question though - what sport has the most dangerous fans?
The beauty contest. Predictably Truss has used it as an opportunity to display her screwed up fashion sense. That rating behind her second on right looks as if he's thinking 'I wouldn't say no'.
The beauty contest. Predictably Truss has used it as an opportunity to display her screwed up fashion sense. That rating behind her second on right looks as if he's thinking 'I wouldn't say no'.
I'm imaging some sort of crime caper involving all the living past and present British Prime Ministers. "Windsor's Eight" or something.
'We're putting the old team back together again and they hate each other guts!' 'Sly Stallone IS Boris Johnson!'
Miss the (supposed) donkey jacket still. The one the Queen Mum liked, in fact.
It was, of course, a short-arsed duffle coat of the kind once favoured by 'motorists' (and the tiny minority of Plymouth Argyle fans accustomed to sitting rather than standing).
I'm finding it hard to reconcile stories like this one, about denying a six year old a visa to join their mother in the UK, with the statistics showing net migration at half a million. Would net migration to Britain be a million a year if it weren't for the arbitrary cruelty?
I must say I find it baffling that a magazine as well known as The Spectator would publish an account of yesterdays march by someone who everyone on here knows to be a fantasist at best.
To be fair, I imagine many things baffle you, Roger
Anyone else hate that thing where restaurants give you a menu, and allow you a good 10 minutes to consider your order and then say, "are you ready to order, Sir?", only to then say when you do make your choice: "Oh, sorry. We don't have that." ?!
Yes. I got so fed up with it that I often say as soon as they give you the menu "Is everything available?" Usually the answer is no. 10 or 15 minutes saved.
The beauty contest. Predictably Truss has used it as an opportunity to display her screwed up fashion sense. That rating behind her second on right looks as if he's thinking 'I wouldn't say no'.
I'm imaging some sort of crime caper involving all the living past and present British Prime Ministers. "Windsor's Eight" or something.
'We're putting the old team back together again and they hate each other guts!' 'Sly Stallone IS Boris Johnson!'
Miss the (supposed) donkey jacket still. The one the Queen Mum liked, in fact.
Anyone else hate that thing where restaurants give you a menu, and allow you a good 10 minutes to consider your order and then say, "are you ready to order, Sir?", only to then say when you do make your choice: "Oh, sorry. We don't have that." ?!
Yes. I got so fed up with it that I often say as soon as they give you the menu "Is everything available?" Usually the answer is no. 10 or 15 minutes saved.
Yes, I do the same now.
I can get so fed up with it I've nearly walked out in the past. Whilst that sounds dramatic it's usually logical because it's a sign of a badly organised restaurant.
A good one will tell you on arrival or have it on chalkboards and freshly printed notes, and apologise profusely at the same time.
Patience aside, it seems like she's trying to get herself sacked to increase her stature as the candidate of the base after the election? Not sacking her seems bad because she can just keep escalating until she finds the line that he won't let her cross. The only better option is if he can sack her for something else like corruption or incompetence, but she's no Priti Patel.
Now it is out in the open he will look weak if he doesn't sack her. I suspect she will go.
The problem is that her article got support from many British Jews who felt that at last someone was saying what they have been thinking. I didn't agree with the hate marches rhetoric, better would have been to ask why so many walk in silence as they are surrounded by abhorrent messages uncritical of Hamas in a march organised by bigots.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 1h One final thing. We all have views on what's happening in Gaza. But that can no longer be the priority. The priority now has to be the safety of people on out streets and in our own communities. We cannot have a repeat of yesterday. The marches - from both sides - have to stop.
That was looking like a 400 score right from the start of their innings, and they managed to keep the runs going. A very big ask for the Dutch batsmen.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 1h One final thing. We all have views on what's happening in Gaza. But that can no longer be the priority. The priority now has to be the safety of people on out streets and in our own communities. We cannot have a repeat of yesterday. The marches - from both sides - have to stop.
I'm finding it hard to reconcile stories like this one, about denying a six year old a visa to join their mother in the UK, with the statistics showing net migration at half a million. Would net migration to Britain be a million a year if it weren't for the arbitrary cruelty?
What we have found many times before with these Guardian stories is there is normally a crucial bit of information being omitted. Paperwork having not been completed correctly or on time, some complex personal arrangements that mean they aren't in the UK for long period etc.
The beauty contest. Predictably Truss has used it as an opportunity to display her screwed up fashion sense. That rating behind her second on right looks as if he's thinking 'I wouldn't say no'.
I'm imaging some sort of crime caper involving all the living past and present British Prime Ministers. "Windsor's Eight" or something.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 1h One final thing. We all have views on what's happening in Gaza. But that can no longer be the priority. The priority now has to be the safety of people on out streets and in our own communities. We cannot have a repeat of yesterday. The marches - from both sides - have to stop.
He’s got a very good point
It's remarkable really how one terrorist event in the Middle East can have such waves of repercussions here in the UK. I'd say it's caused more political stirs than 9/11.
Do people really give that much of a shit what happens in Israel as opposed to Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan, Ukraine, or China?
I suspect not - but it's where lots of Western prejudices meet and ally with a local cause and that turbocharges it.
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 · 1h What does this tell us?
It tells us that the British government and the media are going to keep on whipping up far right mobs against those opposed to the massacre of Gaza - or indeed other causes they object to.
Patience aside, it seems like she's trying to get herself sacked to increase her stature as the candidate of the base after the election? Not sacking her seems bad because she can just keep escalating until she finds the line that he won't let her cross. The only better option is if he can sack her for something else like corruption or incompetence, but she's no Priti Patel.
Now it is out in the open he will look weak if he doesn't sack her. I suspect she will go.
The problem is that her article got support from many British Jews who felt that at last someone was saying what they have been thinking. I didn't agree with the hate marches rhetoric, better would have been to ask why so many walk in silence as they are surrounded by abhorrent messages uncritical of Hamas in a march organised by bigots.
Is the text of the article available outside of the Times paywall ?
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 · 1h What does this tell us?
It tells us that the British government and the media are going to keep on whipping up far right mobs against those opposed to the massacre of Gaza - or indeed other causes they object to.
I must say I find it baffling that a magazine as well known as The Spectator would publish an account of yesterdays march by someone who everyone on here knows to be a fantasist at best.
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 · 1h What does this tell us?
It tells us that the British government and the media are going to keep on whipping up far right mobs against those opposed to the massacre of Gaza - or indeed other causes they object to.
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 · 1h What does this tell us?
It tells us that the British government and the media are going to keep on whipping up far right mobs against those opposed to the massacre of Gaza - or indeed other causes they object to.
I must say I find it baffling that a magazine as well known as The Spectator would publish an account of yesterdays march by someone who everyone on here knows to be a fantasist at best.
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 · 1h What does this tell us?
It tells us that the British government and the media are going to keep on whipping up far right mobs against those opposed to the massacre of Gaza - or indeed other causes they object to.
You come to realise that people with strong opinions on any subject are pretty useless as neutral observers because they'll just ignore anything they don't agree with to fit their pre-existing narrative.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 1h One final thing. We all have views on what's happening in Gaza. But that can no longer be the priority. The priority now has to be the safety of people on out streets and in our own communities. We cannot have a repeat of yesterday. The marches - from both sides - have to stop.
He’s got a very good point
It's remarkable really how one terrorist event in the Middle East can have such waves of repercussions here in the UK. I'd say it's caused more political stirs than 9/11.
Do people really give that much of a shit what happens in Israel as opposed to Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan, Ukraine, or China?
I suspect not - but it's where lots of Western prejudices meet and ally with a local cause and that turbocharges it.
To the max.
It is all a bit odd frankly. And we have to accept that social media is hugely responsible. Maybe I have forgotten but I dont remember all this going on across the UK when Israel last stormed Gaza in iirc 2008 or 9.
Vast numbers seemed to be spending half the day videoing the march and the trouble presumably to keep their online media feeds fed.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 1h One final thing. We all have views on what's happening in Gaza. But that can no longer be the priority. The priority now has to be the safety of people on out streets and in our own communities. We cannot have a repeat of yesterday. The marches - from both sides - have to stop.
Over the top hysteria from Hodges . Perhaps if the Tories stopped fanning the flames things might improve .
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 · 1h What does this tell us?
It tells us that the British government and the media are going to keep on whipping up far right mobs against those opposed to the massacre of Gaza - or indeed other causes they object to.
It’s a shame because I rather liked him. An articulate new voice on the Left, with some fresh opinions
I reckon his social media success has done for him as it has done for so many. He is desperate to keep and please his many followers so he no longer challenges their opinions, just feeds and confirms them
Is that the first time we’ve seen all eight living PMs in the same photo?
Given that they all appear to be in good health, and there’s an election in October, could we see nine at next year’s service?
One would think so given that none are especially old. When I first saw May I actually thought it was Maggie. It's funny that with Cameron being in the middle and also the tallest he appears to be the boss.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 1h One final thing. We all have views on what's happening in Gaza. But that can no longer be the priority. The priority now has to be the safety of people on out streets and in our own communities. We cannot have a repeat of yesterday. The marches - from both sides - have to stop.
Over the top hysteria from Hodges . Perhaps if the Tories stopped fanning the flames things might improve .
You might feel different if you were Jewish
There are now hundreds of videos of different anti semitic incidents related to these marches. One from yesterday has a woman in Victoria Station (I think) saying “death to the Jews” like it is perfectly normal. And no one does anything
Whenever Labour are in power, riven by disputes between avowed Marxists and avowed Social Democrats, we are usually reminded that a broad church reflects the nation better than a narrow one.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 1h One final thing. We all have views on what's happening in Gaza. But that can no longer be the priority. The priority now has to be the safety of people on out streets and in our own communities. We cannot have a repeat of yesterday. The marches - from both sides - have to stop.
Looks like Hodges is setting himself up to become Braverman's media butler - a role he's held for a succession of recent Tory leaders, though Rishi has been an exception.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 1h One final thing. We all have views on what's happening in Gaza. But that can no longer be the priority. The priority now has to be the safety of people on out streets and in our own communities. We cannot have a repeat of yesterday. The marches - from both sides - have to stop.
If some loony right-wing group can organise a few dozen bully boys to assault the police we have to ban all demonstrations?
I suspect that’s more or less it for big marches now. We’ve had the set piece, complete with Tommy and friends doing their little counter. It’ll die down. Sure there will be more demos but they’ll be smaller and more marginal. Most of the occasional marchers will be content with having done one and will return to weekends of children’s birthday parties or sports fixtures.
Our protests are typically pretty tame, compared with what happens at the drop of a hat in Paris. Brits have less staying power too, they get bored. The Gilets Jaunes were at it week after week for months.
Same happened with the Iraq protests, and the countryside alliance, BLM, both pro and anti Brexit marches.
So Dan Hodges’ wishes will be granted. The news is moving on and attention spans are being stretched.
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 · 1h What does this tell us?
It tells us that the British government and the media are going to keep on whipping up far right mobs against those opposed to the massacre of Gaza - or indeed other causes they object to.
It’s a shame because I rather liked him. An articulate new voice on the Left, with some fresh opinions
I reckon his social media success has done for him as it has done for so many. He is desperate to keep and please his many followers so he no longer challenges their opinions, just feeds and confirms them
Agree. I think it's exactly that, plus the fact it encourages you to disappear up your own arsehole.
Look what happened to Saint Jacinda. She was acting like it was real by the end, with absolutely zero irony.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 1h One final thing. We all have views on what's happening in Gaza. But that can no longer be the priority. The priority now has to be the safety of people on out streets and in our own communities. We cannot have a repeat of yesterday. The marches - from both sides - have to stop.
Over the top hysteria from Hodges . Perhaps if the Tories stopped fanning the flames things might improve .
You might feel different if you were Jewish
There are now hundreds of videos of different anti semitic incidents related to these marches. One from yesterday has a woman in Victoria Station (I think) saying “death to the Jews” like it is perfectly normal. And no one does anything
This cannot be normalised. It is abominable
Its already normalised among some Muslims and leftists.
And excused by many others.
And encouraged by others still.
Its always been there:
The Liberal Democrats have suspended a prospective party choice for mayor of London after footage emerged of her urging Muslim voters not to vote for a Labour candidate in a previous general election because he was Jewish.
The footage from the 1997 general election, uncovered by the PoliticsHome website, was filmed when Geeta Sidhu-Robb was taking on Labour’s Jack Straw, who is not Jewish, in his Blackburn constituency.
It shows Sidhu-Robb telling a reporter that Labour had accused her of being anti-Islam, and that in response she would “get into a car and walk around, and drive through town telling everyone Jack Straw is a Jew”, adding: “How is a Muslim going to vote for someone who is Jewish?”
It then shows her using a megaphone from a car being driven around Blackburn saying, in Urdu, what the footage translates as: “Don’t vote for a Jew, Jack Straw is a Jew.” It then shows Sidhu-Robb saying she did this in anger, and wished she had not.
Anyone else hate that thing where restaurants give you a menu, and allow you a good 10 minutes to consider your order and then say, "are you ready to order, Sir?", only to then say when you do make your choice: "Oh, sorry. We don't have that." ?!
"Did she want it, Sir? Did she? Did she want it, Sir?"
Is that the first time we’ve seen all eight living PMs in the same photo?
Given that they all appear to be in good health, and there’s an election in October, could we see nine at next year’s service?
One would think so given that none are especially old. When I first saw May I actually thought it was Maggie. It's funny that with Cameron being in the middle and also the tallest he appears to be the boss.
Yes Mrs May can definitely look a little like Thatcher when she wears a hat.
The eldest is Major at 80, followed by Brown (72), and Blair (70), and I don’t recall stories about any of the PMs being in poor health.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 1h One final thing. We all have views on what's happening in Gaza. But that can no longer be the priority. The priority now has to be the safety of people on out streets and in our own communities. We cannot have a repeat of yesterday. The marches - from both sides - have to stop.
Over the top hysteria from Hodges . Perhaps if the Tories stopped fanning the flames things might improve .
You might feel different if you were Jewish
There are now hundreds of videos of different anti semitic incidents related to these marches. One from yesterday has a woman in Victoria Station (I think) saying “death to the Jews” like it is perfectly normal. And no one does anything
This cannot be normalised. It is abominable
Its already normalised among some Muslims and leftists.
And excused by many others.
And encouraged by others still.
Its always been there:
The Liberal Democrats have suspended a prospective party choice for mayor of London after footage emerged of her urging Muslim voters not to vote for a Labour candidate in a previous general election because he was Jewish.
The footage from the 1997 general election, uncovered by the PoliticsHome website, was filmed when Geeta Sidhu-Robb was taking on Labour’s Jack Straw, who is not Jewish, in his Blackburn constituency.
It shows Sidhu-Robb telling a reporter that Labour had accused her of being anti-Islam, and that in response she would “get into a car and walk around, and drive through town telling everyone Jack Straw is a Jew”, adding: “How is a Muslim going to vote for someone who is Jewish?”
It then shows her using a megaphone from a car being driven around Blackburn saying, in Urdu, what the footage translates as: “Don’t vote for a Jew, Jack Straw is a Jew.” It then shows Sidhu-Robb saying she did this in anger, and wished she had not.
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
Given the majority of the casuals went for a ruck (many of whom would be happy to have a go at plod) but the majority of the pro Hamas/pro gaza/pro ceasefire/anti Israel marchers/supporters didn’t then it is no surprise that the numbers are proportionally different. Leon’s point on the reporting was not unreasonable.
@leon claimed there were tens of thousands letting off fireworks. How is that reasonable and not hysterical?
He didn't say that.
Let me admit one other thing I got wrong (show you how it's done): up until about 9am yesterday I thought The March was planned *for today* to clash with the main Rememberance Sunday event, and the mass march past the cenotaph by thousands of veterans. I got that wrong and felt pretty silly about it - although I bet I wasn't the only one. Mea culpa.
You?
Lots of people thought that so don't worry about it. Completely reasonable.
Leon did say ten to fifteen thousand people. Love to admit I was wrong, but I'm not. He said it. He did.
You are being added to my idiots list.
Well done.
What you mean because I quoted @leon accurately and you cocked up. I mean not difficult to check. His post is there from yesterday. You seriously want me to say I got something wrong which clearly I didn't.
You are completely barking mad.
You’re very confident of my quote. Can you cut and paste it on here?
LOL
"The fireworks came from all over: I have the photos. The idea this was just "150" is comforting garbage
By the end it WAS down to a hardcore - of several thousand, maybe 10-15,000"
Do I say every single one of those 10-15,000 had fireworks? No, of course not. It would be physically impossible
I’m saying that the march reduced to about 10-15,000 who looked like they wanted trouble. And they found it in multiple places
“Pro Palestine protesters firing rocket fireworks up and down roads leading into Victoria. Zero police interjection. They are having fun now despite danger to public #remembranceday”
Given Remembrance Day is today that would be difficult ! And exactly what was disrupted yesterday in terms of the actual Cenotaph re the pro Palestinian march ?
The only disruption there was by hooligans and the EDL .
And I saw the EDL and they were pathetic racist thugs and i said so on here. Also quite fat
But there was 238 of them, not 30,000 or 300,000 - that’s the point
@leon hmmm…as a (relatively) neutral observer munching popcorn the morning after, you’ve been a bit skewres by @kjh here. Your ‘just 150’ followed by the next paragraph has a very clear implication.
Excellent barney, though, I’m thoroughly enjoying the repercussions, especially CR as the Robin to your Batman. Chapeau.
I mean, I really haven’t. But I’m beyond caring now. More interestingly, I’ve just discovered on TwiX why PB is the way it is, and sometimes SO annoying - for me at least
“Something happens with highly intelligent people (140IQ+) which is interesting. People within the range of average to above average (100IQ-125IQ) struggle to recognize them, but people who are average to slightly below average (85IQ-99IQ) recognize them almost instantly.”
Most of PB is 100-125 IQ. You therefore struggle to understand me; meantime I get frustrated because I presume you can swiftly infer things the way I can. But you can’t, you can’t make the obvious logical leaps, you need to be talked through it and have it explained (tediously, for me)
Hence we get these dialogues of the deaf. This weekend is an example
People of any intelligence tend to be able to spot a twat when they see one.
Is that the first time we’ve seen all eight living PMs in the same photo?
Given that they all appear to be in good health, and there’s an election in October, could we see nine at next year’s service?
One would think so given that none are especially old. When I first saw May I actually thought it was Maggie. It's funny that with Cameron being in the middle and also the tallest he appears to be the boss.
Yes Mrs May can definitely look a little like Thatcher when she wears a hat.
The eldest is Major at 80, followed by Brown (72), and Blair (70), and I don’t recall stories about any of the PMs being in poor health.
Major in particular looks sprightly for his age. Hope I’m in that good nick when I hit 80.
The beauty contest. Predictably Truss has used it as an opportunity to display her screwed up fashion sense. That rating behind her second on right looks as if he's thinking 'I wouldn't say no'.
Brings home how long it's been since we had a PM who left office with a least a modicum of self respect. Gordon I suppose. To quit after merely losing a general election by a small margin now feels like a mini triumph.
Is that the first time we’ve seen all eight living PMs in the same photo?
Given that they all appear to be in good health, and there’s an election in October, could we see nine at next year’s service?
One would think so given that none are especially old. When I first saw May I actually thought it was Maggie. It's funny that with Cameron being in the middle and also the tallest he appears to be the boss.
Yes Mrs May can definitely look a little like Thatcher when she wears a hat.
The eldest is Major at 80, followed by Brown (72), and Blair (70), and I don’t recall stories about any of the PMs being in poor health.
Major in particular looks sprightly for his age. Hope I’m in that good nick when I hit 80.
Clearly the benefits of exercise, and a good curry diet.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 1h One final thing. We all have views on what's happening in Gaza. But that can no longer be the priority. The priority now has to be the safety of people on out streets and in our own communities. We cannot have a repeat of yesterday. The marches - from both sides - have to stop.
If some loony right-wing group can organise a few dozen bully boys to assault the police we have to ban all demonstrations?
How stupid can people get?
Genuine problem: If things continue to wind up like this, there's potential for something really bad to happen.
And it's legit to fear the consequences of eliding criticism of the worst actions of the Israeli government (some of which are definitely open to question), into criticising the people of Israel and all Jewish people everywhere (don't go there).
And it would be good if the demos stopped, point made. But there are all sorts of things that might be good but where the cost of enforcing them is too high. And I suspect this falls in that category.
It's entropy, again. And very many despots start thinking "I'm just temporarily restoring order for the benefit of all." And they keep believing it until they're carried out in a box.
That's a grim endpoint. But how else do you just make the demos stop?
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
Given the majority of the casuals went for a ruck (many of whom would be happy to have a go at plod) but the majority of the pro Hamas/pro gaza/pro ceasefire/anti Israel marchers/supporters didn’t then it is no surprise that the numbers are proportionally different. Leon’s point on the reporting was not unreasonable.
@leon claimed there were tens of thousands letting off fireworks. How is that reasonable and not hysterical?
He didn't say that.
Let me admit one other thing I got wrong (show you how it's done): up until about 9am yesterday I thought The March was planned *for today* to clash with the main Rememberance Sunday event, and the mass march past the cenotaph by thousands of veterans. I got that wrong and felt pretty silly about it - although I bet I wasn't the only one. Mea culpa.
You?
Lots of people thought that so don't worry about it. Completely reasonable.
Leon did say ten to fifteen thousand people. Love to admit I was wrong, but I'm not. He said it. He did.
You are being added to my idiots list.
Well done.
What you mean because I quoted @leon accurately and you cocked up. I mean not difficult to check. His post is there from yesterday. You seriously want me to say I got something wrong which clearly I didn't.
You are completely barking mad.
You’re very confident of my quote. Can you cut and paste it on here?
LOL
"The fireworks came from all over: I have the photos. The idea this was just "150" is comforting garbage
By the end it WAS down to a hardcore - of several thousand, maybe 10-15,000"
Do I say every single one of those 10-15,000 had fireworks? No, of course not. It would be physically impossible
I’m saying that the march reduced to about 10-15,000 who looked like they wanted trouble. And they found it in multiple places
“Pro Palestine protesters firing rocket fireworks up and down roads leading into Victoria. Zero police interjection. They are having fun now despite danger to public #remembranceday”
Given Remembrance Day is today that would be difficult ! And exactly what was disrupted yesterday in terms of the actual Cenotaph re the pro Palestinian march ?
The only disruption there was by hooligans and the EDL .
And I saw the EDL and they were pathetic racist thugs and i said so on here. Also quite fat
But there was 238 of them, not 30,000 or 300,000 - that’s the point
@leon hmmm…as a (relatively) neutral observer munching popcorn the morning after, you’ve been a bit skewres by @kjh here. Your ‘just 150’ followed by the next paragraph has a very clear implication.
Excellent barney, though, I’m thoroughly enjoying the repercussions, especially CR as the Robin to your Batman. Chapeau.
I mean, I really haven’t. But I’m beyond caring now. More interestingly, I’ve just discovered on TwiX why PB is the way it is, and sometimes SO annoying - for me at least
“Something happens with highly intelligent people (140IQ+) which is interesting. People within the range of average to above average (100IQ-125IQ) struggle to recognize them, but people who are average to slightly below average (85IQ-99IQ) recognize them almost instantly.”
Most of PB is 100-125 IQ. You therefore struggle to understand me; meantime I get frustrated because I presume you can swiftly infer things the way I can. But you can’t, you can’t make the obvious logical leaps, you need to be talked through it and have it explained (tediously, for me)
Hence we get these dialogues of the deaf. This weekend is an example
People of any intelligence tend to be able to spot a twat when they see one.
Oh by the way, storm Debbi tomorrow. Nearly 90mph gusts in the North West. More widespread wind damage than Ciaran a couple of weeks ago. Making a beeline for Cyclefree on current track.
I wish that Icelandic volcano would hurry up and erupt too, now it’s inevitable. It’s likely to be a non-explosive oozy one with huge lava flows making for some great photography.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 1h One final thing. We all have views on what's happening in Gaza. But that can no longer be the priority. The priority now has to be the safety of people on out streets and in our own communities. We cannot have a repeat of yesterday. The marches - from both sides - have to stop.
If some loony right-wing group can organise a few dozen bully boys to assault the police we have to ban all demonstrations?
How stupid can people get?
Genuine problem: If things continue to wind up like this, there's potential for something really bad to happen.
And it's legit to fear the consequences of eliding criticism of the worst actions of the Israeli government (some of which are definitely open to question), into criticising the people of Israel and all Jewish people everywhere (don't go there).
And it would be good if the demos stopped, point made. But there are all sorts of things that might be good but where the cost of enforcing them is too high. And I suspect this falls in that category.
It's entropy, again. And very many despots start thinking "I'm just temporarily restoring order for the benefit of all." And they keep believing it until they're carried out in a box.
That's a grim endpoint. But how else do you just make the demos stop?
The alternative to reasonably well organised demos is riots.
Which is one of the reasons we have a process for reasonably well organised demos.
I'm finding it hard to reconcile stories like this one, about denying a six year old a visa to join their mother in the UK, with the statistics showing net migration at half a million. Would net migration to Britain be a million a year if it weren't for the arbitrary cruelty?
What we have found many times before with these Guardian stories is there is normally a crucial bit of information being omitted. Paperwork having not been completed correctly or on time, some complex personal arrangements that mean they aren't in the UK for long period etc.
Well, maybe. But that's partly due to the excessive paperwork requirements set by the Home Office with the purpose of creating a Kafkaesque trap so that they can refuse as many applications as possible.
And in the article it seems to be that the reason given for the refusal was what the Home Office is characterising as the mother abandoning the child.
Is that the first time we’ve seen all eight living PMs in the same photo?
Given that they all appear to be in good health, and there’s an election in October, could we see nine at next year’s service?
One would think so given that none are especially old. When I first saw May I actually thought it was Maggie. It's funny that with Cameron being in the middle and also the tallest he appears to be the boss.
Yes Mrs May can definitely look a little like Thatcher when she wears a hat.
The eldest is Major at 80, followed by Brown (72), and Blair (70), and I don’t recall stories about any of the PMs being in poor health.
Gordon Brown was moving quite stiffly when they went back inside after the ceremony. Let's hope it is nothing more serious than a blister from new shoes.
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
Given the majority of the casuals went for a ruck (many of whom would be happy to have a go at plod) but the majority of the pro Hamas/pro gaza/pro ceasefire/anti Israel marchers/supporters didn’t then it is no surprise that the numbers are proportionally different. Leon’s point on the reporting was not unreasonable.
@leon claimed there were tens of thousands letting off fireworks. How is that reasonable and not hysterical?
He didn't say that.
Let me admit one other thing I got wrong (show you how it's done): up until about 9am yesterday I thought The March was planned *for today* to clash with the main Rememberance Sunday event, and the mass march past the cenotaph by thousands of veterans. I got that wrong and felt pretty silly about it - although I bet I wasn't the only one. Mea culpa.
You?
Lots of people thought that so don't worry about it. Completely reasonable.
Leon did say ten to fifteen thousand people. Love to admit I was wrong, but I'm not. He said it. He did.
You are being added to my idiots list.
Well done.
What you mean because I quoted @leon accurately and you cocked up. I mean not difficult to check. His post is there from yesterday. You seriously want me to say I got something wrong which clearly I didn't.
You are completely barking mad.
You’re very confident of my quote. Can you cut and paste it on here?
LOL
"The fireworks came from all over: I have the photos. The idea this was just "150" is comforting garbage
By the end it WAS down to a hardcore - of several thousand, maybe 10-15,000"
Do I say every single one of those 10-15,000 had fireworks? No, of course not. It would be physically impossible
I’m saying that the march reduced to about 10-15,000 who looked like they wanted trouble. And they found it in multiple places
“Pro Palestine protesters firing rocket fireworks up and down roads leading into Victoria. Zero police interjection. They are having fun now despite danger to public #remembranceday”
Given Remembrance Day is today that would be difficult ! And exactly what was disrupted yesterday in terms of the actual Cenotaph re the pro Palestinian march ?
The only disruption there was by hooligans and the EDL .
And I saw the EDL and they were pathetic racist thugs and i said so on here. Also quite fat
But there was 238 of them, not 30,000 or 300,000 - that’s the point
@leon hmmm…as a (relatively) neutral observer munching popcorn the morning after, you’ve been a bit skewres by @kjh here. Your ‘just 150’ followed by the next paragraph has a very clear implication.
Excellent barney, though, I’m thoroughly enjoying the repercussions, especially CR as the Robin to your Batman. Chapeau.
I mean, I really haven’t. But I’m beyond caring now. More interestingly, I’ve just discovered on TwiX why PB is the way it is, and sometimes SO annoying - for me at least
“Something happens with highly intelligent people (140IQ+) which is interesting. People within the range of average to above average (100IQ-125IQ) struggle to recognize them, but people who are average to slightly below average (85IQ-99IQ) recognize them almost instantly.”
Most of PB is 100-125 IQ. You therefore struggle to understand me; meantime I get frustrated because I presume you can swiftly infer things the way I can. But you can’t, you can’t make the obvious logical leaps, you need to be talked through it and have it explained (tediously, for me)
Hence we get these dialogues of the deaf. This weekend is an example
People of any intelligence tend to be able to spot a twat when they see one.
You are a perfect example of his point
Do people actually take IQ tests these days? They seemed to be all the rage in the 80s.
a lone Trump victory in 2016 could conceivably be remembered as an aberration if it were followed by two consecutive defeats, but a Trump restoration in 2024 would confirm America’s slide toward authoritarian rule and would render Biden’s lone term an interregnum, a blip in history’s turn. And we must choose again because the fever did not break; instead, it threatens to break us.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 1h One final thing. We all have views on what's happening in Gaza. But that can no longer be the priority. The priority now has to be the safety of people on out streets and in our own communities. We cannot have a repeat of yesterday. The marches - from both sides - have to stop.
If some loony right-wing group can organise a few dozen bully boys to assault the police we have to ban all demonstrations?
How stupid can people get?
Genuine problem: If things continue to wind up like this, there's potential for something really bad to happen.
And it's legit to fear the consequences of eliding criticism of the worst actions of the Israeli government (some of which are definitely open to question), into criticising the people of Israel and all Jewish people everywhere (don't go there).
And it would be good if the demos stopped, point made. But there are all sorts of things that might be good but where the cost of enforcing them is too high. And I suspect this falls in that category.
It's entropy, again. And very many despots start thinking "I'm just temporarily restoring order for the benefit of all." And they keep believing it until they're carried out in a box.
That's a grim endpoint. But how else do you just make the demos stop?
I know there’s not (yet) a market on it but my money would be on things not continuing to wind up from here. The fact there was relatively little actual violence yesterday and the police did a decent job suggests to me that people have had their say now and things will simmer down. The news from Gaza is already starting to fade despite the war still very much carrying on.
a lone Trump victory in 2016 could conceivably be remembered as an aberration if it were followed by two consecutive defeats, but a Trump restoration in 2024 would confirm America’s slide toward authoritarian rule and would render Biden’s lone term an interregnum, a blip in history’s turn. And we must choose again because the fever did not break; instead, it threatens to break us.
Does the NY Times think that, if they keep writing op-ed pieces about how a vote for Trump will be the end of the world, it’s actually going to persuade anyone not to vote for him?
Oh by the way, storm Debbi tomorrow. Nearly 90mph gusts in the North West. More widespread wind damage than Ciaran a couple of weeks ago. Making a beeline for Cyclefree on current track.
I wish that Icelandic volcano would hurry up and erupt too, now it’s inevitable. It’s likely to be a non-explosive oozy one with huge lava flows making for some great photography.
Interesting thing about Debi is that it is still but a mere baroclinic wave, yet to spin up into a storm proper. Real demonstration of the benefits of advanced computer models of the atmosphere.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 1h One final thing. We all have views on what's happening in Gaza. But that can no longer be the priority. The priority now has to be the safety of people on out streets and in our own communities. We cannot have a repeat of yesterday. The marches - from both sides - have to stop.
If some loony right-wing group can organise a few dozen bully boys to assault the police we have to ban all demonstrations?
How stupid can people get?
Genuine problem: If things continue to wind up like this, there's potential for something really bad to happen.
And it's legit to fear the consequences of eliding criticism of the worst actions of the Israeli government (some of which are definitely open to question), into criticising the people of Israel and all Jewish people everywhere (don't go there).
And it would be good if the demos stopped, point made. But there are all sorts of things that might be good but where the cost of enforcing them is too high. And I suspect this falls in that category.
It's entropy, again. And very many despots start thinking "I'm just temporarily restoring order for the benefit of all." And they keep believing it until they're carried out in a box.
That's a grim endpoint. But how else do you just make the demos stop?
I know there’s not (yet) a market on it but my money would be on things not continuing to wind up from here. The fact there was relatively little actual violence yesterday and the police did a decent job suggests to me that people have had their say now and things will simmer down. The news from Gaza is already starting to fade despite the war still very much carrying on.
At a more mundane level, winter draws on. It's less fun marching in the dark and the cold and the rain.
I suspect that’s more or less it for big marches now. We’ve had the set piece, complete with Tommy and friends doing their little counter. It’ll die down. Sure there will be more demos but they’ll be smaller and more marginal. Most of the occasional marchers will be content with having done one and will return to weekends of children’s birthday parties or sports fixtures.
Our protests are typically pretty tame, compared with what happens at the drop of a hat in Paris. Brits have less staying power too, they get bored. The Gilets Jaunes were at it week after week for months.
Same happened with the Iraq protests, and the countryside alliance, BLM, both pro and anti Brexit marches.
So Dan Hodges’ wishes will be granted. The news is moving on and attention spans are being stretched.
Yes, and with worsening weather combined with Christmas shopping and parties there won't be any more big demonstrations.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 1h One final thing. We all have views on what's happening in Gaza. But that can no longer be the priority. The priority now has to be the safety of people on out streets and in our own communities. We cannot have a repeat of yesterday. The marches - from both sides - have to stop.
If some loony right-wing group can organise a few dozen bully boys to assault the police we have to ban all demonstrations?
How stupid can people get?
Genuine problem: If things continue to wind up like this, there's potential for something really bad to happen.
And it's legit to fear the consequences of eliding criticism of the worst actions of the Israeli government (some of which are definitely open to question), into criticising the people of Israel and all Jewish people everywhere (don't go there).
And it would be good if the demos stopped, point made. But there are all sorts of things that might be good but where the cost of enforcing them is too high. And I suspect this falls in that category.
It's entropy, again. And very many despots start thinking "I'm just temporarily restoring order for the benefit of all." And they keep believing it until they're carried out in a box.
That's a grim endpoint. But how else do you just make the demos stop?
I know there’s not (yet) a market on it but my money would be on things not continuing to wind up from here. The fact there was relatively little actual violence yesterday and the police did a decent job suggests to me that people have had their say now and things will simmer down. The news from Gaza is already starting to fade despite the war still very much carrying on.
It's plausible and one has to hope.
Paradoxically, the thing most likely to cause an escalation is an over-assertive attempt to squash things.
What's the line from Citizen Kane?
“You provide the prose poems, and I'll provide the war"?
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 1h One final thing. We all have views on what's happening in Gaza. But that can no longer be the priority. The priority now has to be the safety of people on out streets and in our own communities. We cannot have a repeat of yesterday. The marches - from both sides - have to stop.
If some loony right-wing group can organise a few dozen bully boys to assault the police we have to ban all demonstrations?
How stupid can people get?
Genuine problem: If things continue to wind up like this, there's potential for something really bad to happen.
And it's legit to fear the consequences of eliding criticism of the worst actions of the Israeli government (some of which are definitely open to question), into criticising the people of Israel and all Jewish people everywhere (don't go there).
And it would be good if the demos stopped, point made. But there are all sorts of things that might be good but where the cost of enforcing them is too high. And I suspect this falls in that category.
It's entropy, again. And very many despots start thinking "I'm just temporarily restoring order for the benefit of all." And they keep believing it until they're carried out in a box.
That's a grim endpoint. But how else do you just make the demos stop?
I know there’s not (yet) a market on it but my money would be on things not continuing to wind up from here. The fact there was relatively little actual violence yesterday and the police did a decent job suggests to me that people have had their say now and things will simmer down. The news from Gaza is already starting to fade despite the war still very much carrying on.
At a more mundane level, winter draws on. It's less fun marching in the dark and the cold and the rain.
Same reason there’s not going to be an election called next week, no matter what some excited Lobby hacks might have heard on the grapevine.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 1h One final thing. We all have views on what's happening in Gaza. But that can no longer be the priority. The priority now has to be the safety of people on out streets and in our own communities. We cannot have a repeat of yesterday. The marches - from both sides - have to stop.
If some loony right-wing group can organise a few dozen bully boys to assault the police we have to ban all demonstrations?
How stupid can people get?
Genuine problem: If things continue to wind up like this, there's potential for something really bad to happen.
And it's legit to fear the consequences of eliding criticism of the worst actions of the Israeli government (some of which are definitely open to question), into criticising the people of Israel and all Jewish people everywhere (don't go there).
And it would be good if the demos stopped, point made. But there are all sorts of things that might be good but where the cost of enforcing them is too high. And I suspect this falls in that category.
It's entropy, again. And very many despots start thinking "I'm just temporarily restoring order for the benefit of all." And they keep believing it until they're carried out in a box.
That's a grim endpoint. But how else do you just make the demos stop?
I know there’s not (yet) a market on it but my money would be on things not continuing to wind up from here. The fact there was relatively little actual violence yesterday and the police did a decent job suggests to me that people have had their say now and things will simmer down. The news from Gaza is already starting to fade despite the war still very much carrying on.
At a more mundane level, winter draws on. It's less fun marching in the dark and the cold and the rain.
It's a good point. Yesterday was beautiful, sunny and clear, with even a hint of warmth at times, but also fresh. Perfect for marching,. Today is grey and chilly and dank, ugh
I hope you'e right and Brigadier Winter sees off the yobs and idiots
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
Given the majority of the casuals went for a ruck (many of whom would be happy to have a go at plod) but the majority of the pro Hamas/pro gaza/pro ceasefire/anti Israel marchers/supporters didn’t then it is no surprise that the numbers are proportionally different. Leon’s point on the reporting was not unreasonable.
@leon claimed there were tens of thousands letting off fireworks. How is that reasonable and not hysterical?
He didn't say that.
Let me admit one other thing I got wrong (show you how it's done): up until about 9am yesterday I thought The March was planned *for today* to clash with the main Rememberance Sunday event, and the mass march past the cenotaph by thousands of veterans. I got that wrong and felt pretty silly about it - although I bet I wasn't the only one. Mea culpa.
You?
Lots of people thought that so don't worry about it. Completely reasonable.
Leon did say ten to fifteen thousand people. Love to admit I was wrong, but I'm not. He said it. He did.
You are being added to my idiots list.
Well done.
What you mean because I quoted @leon accurately and you cocked up. I mean not difficult to check. His post is there from yesterday. You seriously want me to say I got something wrong which clearly I didn't.
You are completely barking mad.
You’re very confident of my quote. Can you cut and paste it on here?
LOL
"The fireworks came from all over: I have the photos. The idea this was just "150" is comforting garbage
By the end it WAS down to a hardcore - of several thousand, maybe 10-15,000"
Do I say every single one of those 10-15,000 had fireworks? No, of course not. It would be physically impossible
I’m saying that the march reduced to about 10-15,000 who looked like they wanted trouble. And they found it in multiple places
“Pro Palestine protesters firing rocket fireworks up and down roads leading into Victoria. Zero police interjection. They are having fun now despite danger to public #remembranceday”
Given Remembrance Day is today that would be difficult ! And exactly what was disrupted yesterday in terms of the actual Cenotaph re the pro Palestinian march ?
The only disruption there was by hooligans and the EDL .
And I saw the EDL and they were pathetic racist thugs and i said so on here. Also quite fat
But there was 238 of them, not 30,000 or 300,000 - that’s the point
@leon hmmm…as a (relatively) neutral observer munching popcorn the morning after, you’ve been a bit skewres by @kjh here. Your ‘just 150’ followed by the next paragraph has a very clear implication.
Excellent barney, though, I’m thoroughly enjoying the repercussions, especially CR as the Robin to your Batman. Chapeau.
I mean, I really haven’t. But I’m beyond caring now. More interestingly, I’ve just discovered on TwiX why PB is the way it is, and sometimes SO annoying - for me at least
“Something happens with highly intelligent people (140IQ+) which is interesting. People within the range of average to above average (100IQ-125IQ) struggle to recognize them, but people who are average to slightly below average (85IQ-99IQ) recognize them almost instantly.”
Most of PB is 100-125 IQ. You therefore struggle to understand me; meantime I get frustrated because I presume you can swiftly infer things the way I can. But you can’t, you can’t make the obvious logical leaps, you need to be talked through it and have it explained (tediously, for me)
Hence we get these dialogues of the deaf. This weekend is an example
People of any intelligence tend to be able to spot a twat when they see one.
You are a perfect example of his point
Do people actually take IQ tests these days? They seemed to be all the rage in the 80s.
Did one in the 60s courtesy of Mensa. It was HUGE.
Never did me any good. Crap at chess, mediocre at Bridge, ducked out of Maths at A-level.
But faced with an array of geometrical shapes I can still predict with uncanny accuracy that the next one in the sequence will a square inscribed in a pentagon surmounted by a triangle.
a lone Trump victory in 2016 could conceivably be remembered as an aberration if it were followed by two consecutive defeats, but a Trump restoration in 2024 would confirm America’s slide toward authoritarian rule and would render Biden’s lone term an interregnum, a blip in history’s turn. And we must choose again because the fever did not break; instead, it threatens to break us.
Trump would also be the first President since Grover Cleveland in 1892 to lose his re election bid, then beat the President who beat him at the subsequent election.
Though of course Trump has to avoid being convicted and jailed next year to make that a serious prospect. Ironically, had he just calmly accepted 2020 defeat and not stirred up his supporters to challenge it the relatively poor state of the US economy would make it very likely he would return to the White House
Replies in the thread suggest there's some degree of confusion. Seems like there's a risk of a third party having their reputation unfairly maligned and could lose their business over it
The beauty contest. Predictably Truss has used it as an opportunity to display her screwed up fashion sense. That rating behind her second on right looks as if he's thinking 'I wouldn't say no'.
Brings home how long it's been since we had a PM who left office with a least a modicum of self respect. Gordon I suppose. To quit after merely losing a general election by a small margin now feels like a mini triumph.
Cameron only lost a referendum by a small margin, May just failed to get a Brexit deal through the Commons
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
Given the majority of the casuals went for a ruck (many of whom would be happy to have a go at plod) but the majority of the pro Hamas/pro gaza/pro ceasefire/anti Israel marchers/supporters didn’t then it is no surprise that the numbers are proportionally different. Leon’s point on the reporting was not unreasonable.
@leon claimed there were tens of thousands letting off fireworks. How is that reasonable and not hysterical?
He didn't say that.
Let me admit one other thing I got wrong (show you how it's done): up until about 9am yesterday I thought The March was planned *for today* to clash with the main Rememberance Sunday event, and the mass march past the cenotaph by thousands of veterans. I got that wrong and felt pretty silly about it - although I bet I wasn't the only one. Mea culpa.
You?
Lots of people thought that so don't worry about it. Completely reasonable.
Leon did say ten to fifteen thousand people. Love to admit I was wrong, but I'm not. He said it. He did.
You are being added to my idiots list.
Well done.
What you mean because I quoted @leon accurately and you cocked up. I mean not difficult to check. His post is there from yesterday. You seriously want me to say I got something wrong which clearly I didn't.
You are completely barking mad.
You’re very confident of my quote. Can you cut and paste it on here?
LOL
"The fireworks came from all over: I have the photos. The idea this was just "150" is comforting garbage
By the end it WAS down to a hardcore - of several thousand, maybe 10-15,000"
Do I say every single one of those 10-15,000 had fireworks? No, of course not. It would be physically impossible
I’m saying that the march reduced to about 10-15,000 who looked like they wanted trouble. And they found it in multiple places
“Pro Palestine protesters firing rocket fireworks up and down roads leading into Victoria. Zero police interjection. They are having fun now despite danger to public #remembranceday”
Given Remembrance Day is today that would be difficult ! And exactly what was disrupted yesterday in terms of the actual Cenotaph re the pro Palestinian march ?
The only disruption there was by hooligans and the EDL .
And I saw the EDL and they were pathetic racist thugs and i said so on here. Also quite fat
But there was 238 of them, not 30,000 or 300,000 - that’s the point
@leon hmmm…as a (relatively) neutral observer munching popcorn the morning after, you’ve been a bit skewres by @kjh here. Your ‘just 150’ followed by the next paragraph has a very clear implication.
Excellent barney, though, I’m thoroughly enjoying the repercussions, especially CR as the Robin to your Batman. Chapeau.
I mean, I really haven’t. But I’m beyond caring now. More interestingly, I’ve just discovered on TwiX why PB is the way it is, and sometimes SO annoying - for me at least
“Something happens with highly intelligent people (140IQ+) which is interesting. People within the range of average to above average (100IQ-125IQ) struggle to recognize them, but people who are average to slightly below average (85IQ-99IQ) recognize them almost instantly.”
Most of PB is 100-125 IQ. You therefore struggle to understand me; meantime I get frustrated because I presume you can swiftly infer things the way I can. But you can’t, you can’t make the obvious logical leaps, you need to be talked through it and have it explained (tediously, for me)
Hence we get these dialogues of the deaf. This weekend is an example
People of any intelligence tend to be able to spot a twat when they see one.
You are a perfect example of his point
Do people actually take IQ tests these days? They seemed to be all the rage in the 80s.
Did one in the 60s courtesy of Mensa. It was HUGE.
Never did me any good. Crap at chess, mediocre at Bridge, ducked out of Maths at A-level.
But faced with an array of geometrical shapes I can still predict with uncanny accuracy that the next one in the sequence will a square inscribed in a pentagon surmounted by a triangle.
a lone Trump victory in 2016 could conceivably be remembered as an aberration if it were followed by two consecutive defeats, but a Trump restoration in 2024 would confirm America’s slide toward authoritarian rule and would render Biden’s lone term an interregnum, a blip in history’s turn. And we must choose again because the fever did not break; instead, it threatens to break us.
Trump would also be the first President since Grover Cleveland in 1892 to lose his re election bid, then beat the President who beat him at the subsequent election.
Though of course Trump has to avoid being convicted and jailed next year to make that a serious prospect. Ironically, had he just calmly accepted 2020 defeat and not stirred up his supporters to challenge it the relatively poor state of the US economy would make it very likely he would return to the White House
No it wouldn't, because if he'd accepted his defeat he would have been seen by all as a big fat LOSER, and there's no way he would be nominated to fight the next election as a BFL. He'd be yesterday's wannabe fascist.
He had to challenge his defeat to keep his supporters onside, protect his fragile ego, and keep the grift money rolling in.
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
Given the majority of the casuals went for a ruck (many of whom would be happy to have a go at plod) but the majority of the pro Hamas/pro gaza/pro ceasefire/anti Israel marchers/supporters didn’t then it is no surprise that the numbers are proportionally different. Leon’s point on the reporting was not unreasonable.
@leon claimed there were tens of thousands letting off fireworks. How is that reasonable and not hysterical?
He didn't say that.
Let me admit one other thing I got wrong (show you how it's done): up until about 9am yesterday I thought The March was planned *for today* to clash with the main Rememberance Sunday event, and the mass march past the cenotaph by thousands of veterans. I got that wrong and felt pretty silly about it - although I bet I wasn't the only one. Mea culpa.
You?
Lots of people thought that so don't worry about it. Completely reasonable.
Leon did say ten to fifteen thousand people. Love to admit I was wrong, but I'm not. He said it. He did.
You are being added to my idiots list.
Well done.
What you mean because I quoted @leon accurately and you cocked up. I mean not difficult to check. His post is there from yesterday. You seriously want me to say I got something wrong which clearly I didn't.
You are completely barking mad.
You’re very confident of my quote. Can you cut and paste it on here?
LOL
"The fireworks came from all over: I have the photos. The idea this was just "150" is comforting garbage
By the end it WAS down to a hardcore - of several thousand, maybe 10-15,000"
Do I say every single one of those 10-15,000 had fireworks? No, of course not. It would be physically impossible
I’m saying that the march reduced to about 10-15,000 who looked like they wanted trouble. And they found it in multiple places
“Pro Palestine protesters firing rocket fireworks up and down roads leading into Victoria. Zero police interjection. They are having fun now despite danger to public #remembranceday”
Given Remembrance Day is today that would be difficult ! And exactly what was disrupted yesterday in terms of the actual Cenotaph re the pro Palestinian march ?
The only disruption there was by hooligans and the EDL .
And I saw the EDL and they were pathetic racist thugs and i said so on here. Also quite fat
But there was 238 of them, not 30,000 or 300,000 - that’s the point
@leon hmmm…as a (relatively) neutral observer munching popcorn the morning after, you’ve been a bit skewres by @kjh here. Your ‘just 150’ followed by the next paragraph has a very clear implication.
Excellent barney, though, I’m thoroughly enjoying the repercussions, especially CR as the Robin to your Batman. Chapeau.
I mean, I really haven’t. But I’m beyond caring now. More interestingly, I’ve just discovered on TwiX why PB is the way it is, and sometimes SO annoying - for me at least
“Something happens with highly intelligent people (140IQ+) which is interesting. People within the range of average to above average (100IQ-125IQ) struggle to recognize them, but people who are average to slightly below average (85IQ-99IQ) recognize them almost instantly.”
Most of PB is 100-125 IQ. You therefore struggle to understand me; meantime I get frustrated because I presume you can swiftly infer things the way I can. But you can’t, you can’t make the obvious logical leaps, you need to be talked through it and have it explained (tediously, for me)
Hence we get these dialogues of the deaf. This weekend is an example
People of any intelligence tend to be able to spot a twat when they see one.
You are a perfect example of his point
Do people actually take IQ tests these days? They seemed to be all the rage in the 80s.
Did one in the 60s courtesy of Mensa. It was HUGE.
Never did me any good. Crap at chess, mediocre at Bridge, ducked out of Maths at A-level.
But faced with an array of geometrical shapes I can still predict with uncanny accuracy that the next one in the sequence will a square inscribed in a pentagon surmounted by a triangle.
My daughter is doing similar sorts of tests as practice for 11-plus. As I understand it, that kind of pattern recognition is a good predictor of capabilities in computer coding and systems jobs. They also do numerical and verbal reasoning. They don’t give an IQ score though.
It seems practice helps hugely with speed. Not necessarily with getting the hard ones, but exams are timed so that’s the key thing.
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
Given the majority of the casuals went for a ruck (many of whom would be happy to have a go at plod) but the majority of the pro Hamas/pro gaza/pro ceasefire/anti Israel marchers/supporters didn’t then it is no surprise that the numbers are proportionally different. Leon’s point on the reporting was not unreasonable.
@leon claimed there were tens of thousands letting off fireworks. How is that reasonable and not hysterical?
He didn't say that.
Let me admit one other thing I got wrong (show you how it's done): up until about 9am yesterday I thought The March was planned *for today* to clash with the main Rememberance Sunday event, and the mass march past the cenotaph by thousands of veterans. I got that wrong and felt pretty silly about it - although I bet I wasn't the only one. Mea culpa.
You?
Lots of people thought that so don't worry about it. Completely reasonable.
Leon did say ten to fifteen thousand people. Love to admit I was wrong, but I'm not. He said it. He did.
You are being added to my idiots list.
Well done.
What you mean because I quoted @leon accurately and you cocked up. I mean not difficult to check. His post is there from yesterday. You seriously want me to say I got something wrong which clearly I didn't.
You are completely barking mad.
You’re very confident of my quote. Can you cut and paste it on here?
LOL
"The fireworks came from all over: I have the photos. The idea this was just "150" is comforting garbage
By the end it WAS down to a hardcore - of several thousand, maybe 10-15,000"
Do I say every single one of those 10-15,000 had fireworks? No, of course not. It would be physically impossible
I’m saying that the march reduced to about 10-15,000 who looked like they wanted trouble. And they found it in multiple places
“Pro Palestine protesters firing rocket fireworks up and down roads leading into Victoria. Zero police interjection. They are having fun now despite danger to public #remembranceday”
Given Remembrance Day is today that would be difficult ! And exactly what was disrupted yesterday in terms of the actual Cenotaph re the pro Palestinian march ?
The only disruption there was by hooligans and the EDL .
And I saw the EDL and they were pathetic racist thugs and i said so on here. Also quite fat
But there was 238 of them, not 30,000 or 300,000 - that’s the point
@leon hmmm…as a (relatively) neutral observer munching popcorn the morning after, you’ve been a bit skewres by @kjh here. Your ‘just 150’ followed by the next paragraph has a very clear implication.
Excellent barney, though, I’m thoroughly enjoying the repercussions, especially CR as the Robin to your Batman. Chapeau.
I mean, I really haven’t. But I’m beyond caring now. More interestingly, I’ve just discovered on TwiX why PB is the way it is, and sometimes SO annoying - for me at least
“Something happens with highly intelligent people (140IQ+) which is interesting. People within the range of average to above average (100IQ-125IQ) struggle to recognize them, but people who are average to slightly below average (85IQ-99IQ) recognize them almost instantly.”
Most of PB is 100-125 IQ. You therefore struggle to understand me; meantime I get frustrated because I presume you can swiftly infer things the way I can. But you can’t, you can’t make the obvious logical leaps, you need to be talked through it and have it explained (tediously, for me)
Hence we get these dialogues of the deaf. This weekend is an example
People of any intelligence tend to be able to spot a twat when they see one.
You are a perfect example of his point
Do people actually take IQ tests these days? They seemed to be all the rage in the 80s.
Did one in the 60s courtesy of Mensa. It was HUGE.
Never did me any good. Crap at chess, mediocre at Bridge, ducked out of Maths at A-level.
But faced with an array of geometrical shapes I can still predict with uncanny accuracy that the next one in the sequence will a square inscribed in a pentagon surmounted by a triangle.
My daughter is doing similar sorts of tests as practice for 11-plus. As I understand it, that kind of pattern recognition is a good predictor of capabilities in computer coding and systems jobs. They also do numerical and verbal reasoning. They don’t give an IQ score though.
It seems practice helps hugely with speed. Not necessarily with getting the hard ones, but exams are timed so that’s the key thing.
I always liked verbal reasoning most.
Yes. IQ tests are very much back, but they are now called other things, to avoid the stigma. Quite ridiculous, but there we are
The beauty contest. Predictably Truss has used it as an opportunity to display her screwed up fashion sense. That rating behind her second on right looks as if he's thinking 'I wouldn't say no'.
Brings home how long it's been since we had a PM who left office with a least a modicum of self respect. Gordon I suppose. To quit after merely losing a general election by a small margin now feels like a mini triumph.
Cameron only lost a referendum by a small margin, May just failed to get a Brexit deal through the Commons
Dave had to resign in ignominy after his entire political prospectus was left in tatters. May was humiliated and destroyed by a series of the most crushing parliamentary defeats in British political history.
The beauty contest. Predictably Truss has used it as an opportunity to display her screwed up fashion sense. That rating behind her second on right looks as if he's thinking 'I wouldn't say no'.
Brings home how long it's been since we had a PM who left office with a least a modicum of self respect. Gordon I suppose. To quit after merely losing a general election by a small margin now feels like a mini triumph.
Cameron only lost a referendum by a small margin, May just failed to get a Brexit deal through the Commons
One reason Theresa May lost is that Brexiteers kept voting against her Brexit deal.
I suspect that’s more or less it for big marches now. We’ve had the set piece, complete with Tommy and friends doing their little counter. It’ll die down. Sure there will be more demos but they’ll be smaller and more marginal. Most of the occasional marchers will be content with having done one and will return to weekends of children’s birthday parties or sports fixtures.
Our protests are typically pretty tame, compared with what happens at the drop of a hat in Paris. Brits have less staying power too, they get bored. The Gilets Jaunes were at it week after week for months.
Same happened with the Iraq protests, and the countryside alliance, BLM, both pro and anti Brexit marches.
So Dan Hodges’ wishes will be granted. The news is moving on and attention spans are being stretched.
Yes, and with worsening weather combined with Christmas shopping and parties there won't be any more big demonstrations.
Unless the dead babies atrocity scale ups a few notches. Bibi seems a laddy who is not for turning, the alternative being if Israel takes a breath they'll start asking where the buck stops.
I see this morning that the police put the group letting off fireworks yesterday at 150. So much for @Leon's tens of thousands. And @Casino_Royale thinks @Leon's hysterical reporting was reliable.
So higher than the number of hooligans arrested yet?
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
??? Tens of thousands compared to 150 makes @leon right? Honestly some people will defend any old nonsense.
Given the majority of the casuals went for a ruck (many of whom would be happy to have a go at plod) but the majority of the pro Hamas/pro gaza/pro ceasefire/anti Israel marchers/supporters didn’t then it is no surprise that the numbers are proportionally different. Leon’s point on the reporting was not unreasonable.
@leon claimed there were tens of thousands letting off fireworks. How is that reasonable and not hysterical?
He didn't say that.
Let me admit one other thing I got wrong (show you how it's done): up until about 9am yesterday I thought The March was planned *for today* to clash with the main Rememberance Sunday event, and the mass march past the cenotaph by thousands of veterans. I got that wrong and felt pretty silly about it - although I bet I wasn't the only one. Mea culpa.
You?
Lots of people thought that so don't worry about it. Completely reasonable.
Leon did say ten to fifteen thousand people. Love to admit I was wrong, but I'm not. He said it. He did.
You are being added to my idiots list.
Well done.
What you mean because I quoted @leon accurately and you cocked up. I mean not difficult to check. His post is there from yesterday. You seriously want me to say I got something wrong which clearly I didn't.
You are completely barking mad.
You’re very confident of my quote. Can you cut and paste it on here?
LOL
"The fireworks came from all over: I have the photos. The idea this was just "150" is comforting garbage
By the end it WAS down to a hardcore - of several thousand, maybe 10-15,000"
Do I say every single one of those 10-15,000 had fireworks? No, of course not. It would be physically impossible
I’m saying that the march reduced to about 10-15,000 who looked like they wanted trouble. And they found it in multiple places
“Pro Palestine protesters firing rocket fireworks up and down roads leading into Victoria. Zero police interjection. They are having fun now despite danger to public #remembranceday”
Given Remembrance Day is today that would be difficult ! And exactly what was disrupted yesterday in terms of the actual Cenotaph re the pro Palestinian march ?
The only disruption there was by hooligans and the EDL .
And I saw the EDL and they were pathetic racist thugs and i said so on here. Also quite fat
But there was 238 of them, not 30,000 or 300,000 - that’s the point
@leon hmmm…as a (relatively) neutral observer munching popcorn the morning after, you’ve been a bit skewres by @kjh here. Your ‘just 150’ followed by the next paragraph has a very clear implication.
Excellent barney, though, I’m thoroughly enjoying the repercussions, especially CR as the Robin to your Batman. Chapeau.
I mean, I really haven’t. But I’m beyond caring now. More interestingly, I’ve just discovered on TwiX why PB is the way it is, and sometimes SO annoying - for me at least
“Something happens with highly intelligent people (140IQ+) which is interesting. People within the range of average to above average (100IQ-125IQ) struggle to recognize them, but people who are average to slightly below average (85IQ-99IQ) recognize them almost instantly.”
Most of PB is 100-125 IQ. You therefore struggle to understand me; meantime I get frustrated because I presume you can swiftly infer things the way I can. But you can’t, you can’t make the obvious logical leaps, you need to be talked through it and have it explained (tediously, for me)
Hence we get these dialogues of the deaf. This weekend is an example
People of any intelligence tend to be able to spot a twat when they see one.
You are a perfect example of his point
Do people actually take IQ tests these days? They seemed to be all the rage in the 80s.
Did one in the 60s courtesy of Mensa. It was HUGE.
Never did me any good. Crap at chess, mediocre at Bridge, ducked out of Maths at A-level.
But faced with an array of geometrical shapes I can still predict with uncanny accuracy that the next one in the sequence will a square inscribed in a pentagon surmounted by a triangle.
Opposition parties have been joined by Tory MPs of the liberal persuasion in recoiling in disgust at the deliberately inflammatory provocations of Suella Braverman. “Mad” and “bad” are among the descriptions to be heard from moderate Tories. They’re pressing Rishi Sunak to get a pair of cojones and fire her, both for what she has done and for defying Number 10’s instructions not to do it.
Unforgivably, in the eyes of many in her own party as well as many outside it, she has sought to undermine the police and fundamental principles of the free society. Sir Tom Winsor, the chief inspector of constabulary during the time of four previous Conservative home secretaries, had it right when he said that Ms Braverman had crossed a sacrosanct line: “It’s unprecedented. It’s contrary to the spirit of the ancient constitutional settlement with the police… A home secretary of all people is not the person to do this.”
The question for the prime minister is how much longer he can tolerate a recklessly irresponsible and serially disloyal home secretary who can never see division without wanting to fan its flames in the cynical pursuit of her own ambitions.
It is his own fault that Mr Sunak faces this question. Mr Sunak brought her back, not because he thought she had the character and qualities to be a capable home secretary, but because he made a desperate bargain with her in the belief that he needed the support of the party’s hard right to secure the Tory leadership. Mr Sunak must surely now see that she is inside the tent pissing all over him.
...says one former Conservative cabinet minister. “If Rishi doesn’t sack her, he will be permanently weakened.” The question facing all Tories, especially the party’s more moderate MPs and members, is whether they want their party to become defined by Ms Braverman’s toxic brand of politics. There is no doubt there are some votes in being an unashamedly and explicitly “nasty party”, but history suggests there will never be enough backers for it to win an election in Britain.
Sunak isn't strong enough to sack Braverman, he needed her support and the ERG MPs she brought with her to get a majority of Tory MPs to become leader last autumn. He is also leaking votes to Reform on his right, who are on 9% in one poll and most of those voters agree with Braverman
The beauty contest. Predictably Truss has used it as an opportunity to display her screwed up fashion sense. That rating behind her second on right looks as if he's thinking 'I wouldn't say no'.
Brings home how long it's been since we had a PM who left office with a least a modicum of self respect. Gordon I suppose. To quit after merely losing a general election by a small margin now feels like a mini triumph.
Cameron only lost a referendum by a small margin, May just failed to get a Brexit deal through the Commons
Dave had to resign in ignominy after his entire political prospectus was left in tatters. May was humiliated and destroyed by a series of the most crushing parliamentary defeats in British political history.
And yet... Cameron's premiership looks like something of a vanished golden age from here and now. And even May's nightmare scored better for competence than anything since. Neither perfect, but way better than those who brought them down and replaced them.
a lone Trump victory in 2016 could conceivably be remembered as an aberration if it were followed by two consecutive defeats, but a Trump restoration in 2024 would confirm America’s slide toward authoritarian rule and would render Biden’s lone term an interregnum, a blip in history’s turn. And we must choose again because the fever did not break; instead, it threatens to break us.
Trump would also be the first President since Grover Cleveland in 1892 to lose his re election bid, then beat the President who beat him at the subsequent election.
Though of course Trump has to avoid being convicted and jailed next year to make that a serious prospect. Ironically, had he just calmly accepted 2020 defeat and not stirred up his supporters to challenge it the relatively poor state of the US economy would make it very likely he would return to the White House
No it wouldn't, because if he'd accepted his defeat he would have been seen by all as a big fat LOSER, and there's no way he would be nominated to fight the next election as a BFL. He'd be yesterday's wannabe fascist.
He had to challenge his defeat to keep his supporters onside, protect his fragile ego, and keep the grift money rolling in.
He could still have challenged the vote in Congress, as his supporters did, just not rabble rouse storming of the building.
As it did it may still be that that costs him a return to the White House
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Ironically, given his rep as a short man in shorter trousers, Sunak's suit looks good. Truss's coat - um, I get the point, but I don't think this was the right time for it
Why didn’t you go see the march? I’m curious. You live in London and you’re deeply interested in politics - this was raw, fascinating politics on London streets, and it was lovely and sunny
Of course if you had prior engagements fair enough but I’d have thought it would interest someone like you
'Sly Stallone IS Boris Johnson!'
That now he is the Ruler of the Queen's Navee!
https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/highest-innings-totals-211599
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/66859346
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/11/kenyan-expert-bristol-university-denied-visa-daughter
I can get so fed up with it I've nearly walked out in the past. Whilst that sounds dramatic it's usually logical because it's a sign of a badly organised restaurant.
A good one will tell you on arrival or have it on chalkboards and freshly printed notes, and apologise profusely at the same time.
The problem is that her article got support from many British Jews who felt that at last someone was saying what they have been thinking. I didn't agree with the hate marches rhetoric, better would have been to ask why so many walk in silence as they are surrounded by abhorrent messages uncritical of Hamas in a march organised by bigots.
(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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One final thing. We all have views on what's happening in Gaza. But that can no longer be the priority. The priority now has to be the safety of people on out streets and in our own communities. We cannot have a repeat of yesterday. The marches - from both sides - have to stop.
Do people really give that much of a shit what happens in Israel as opposed to Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan, Ukraine, or China?
I suspect not - but it's where lots of Western prejudices meet and ally with a local cause and that turbocharges it.
To the max.
Given that they all appear to be in good health, and there’s an election in October, could we see nine at next year’s service?
Owen Jones
@OwenJones84
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What does this tell us?
It tells us that the British government and the media are going to keep on whipping up far right mobs against those opposed to the massacre of Gaza - or indeed other causes they object to.
It does not get much darker than that.
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84
With their reputation?
What were they thinking?
Vast numbers seemed to be spending half the day videoing the march and the trouble presumably to keep their online media feeds fed.
It’s a shame because I rather liked him. An articulate new voice on the Left, with some fresh opinions
I reckon his social media success has done for him as it has done for so many. He is desperate to keep and please his many followers so he no longer challenges their opinions, just feeds and confirms them
There are now hundreds of videos of different anti semitic incidents related to these marches. One from yesterday has a woman in Victoria Station (I think) saying “death to the Jews” like it is perfectly normal. And no one does anything
This cannot be normalised. It is abominable
NYT covering Hillary Clinton’s “deplorables” remark vs NYT covering Donald Trump’s “vermin” remark.
https://twitter.com/TUSK81/status/1723544091341062582
How stupid can people get?
Our protests are typically pretty tame, compared with what happens at the drop of a hat in Paris. Brits have less staying power too, they get bored. The Gilets Jaunes were at it week after week for months.
Same happened with the Iraq protests, and the countryside alliance, BLM, both pro and anti Brexit marches.
So Dan Hodges’ wishes will be granted. The news is moving on and attention spans are being stretched.
Look what happened to Saint Jacinda. She was acting like it was real by the end, with absolutely zero irony.
Cringe.
And excused by many others.
And encouraged by others still.
Its always been there:
The Liberal Democrats have suspended a prospective party choice for mayor of London after footage emerged of her urging Muslim voters not to vote for a Labour candidate in a previous general election because he was Jewish.
The footage from the 1997 general election, uncovered by the PoliticsHome website, was filmed when Geeta Sidhu-Robb was taking on Labour’s Jack Straw, who is not Jewish, in his Blackburn constituency.
It shows Sidhu-Robb telling a reporter that Labour had accused her of being anti-Islam, and that in response she would “get into a car and walk around, and drive through town telling everyone Jack Straw is a Jew”, adding: “How is a Muslim going to vote for someone who is Jewish?”
It then shows her using a megaphone from a car being driven around Blackburn saying, in Urdu, what the footage translates as: “Don’t vote for a Jew, Jack Straw is a Jew.” It then shows Sidhu-Robb saying she did this in anger, and wished she had not.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/14/lib-dems-drop-mayoral-contender-over-antisemitic-comment-about-jack-straw
The eldest is Major at 80, followed by Brown (72), and Blair (70), and I don’t recall stories about any of the PMs being in poor health.
And it's legit to fear the consequences of eliding criticism of the worst actions of the Israeli government (some of which are definitely open to question), into criticising the people of Israel and all Jewish people everywhere (don't go there).
And it would be good if the demos stopped, point made. But there are all sorts of things that might be good but where the cost of enforcing them is too high. And I suspect this falls in that category.
It's entropy, again. And very many despots start thinking "I'm just temporarily restoring order for the benefit of all." And they keep believing it until they're carried out in a box.
That's a grim endpoint. But how else do you just make the demos stop?
I wish that Icelandic volcano would hurry up and erupt too, now it’s inevitable. It’s likely to be a non-explosive oozy one with huge lava flows making for some great photography.
Which is one of the reasons we have a process for reasonably well organised demos.
And in the article it seems to be that the reason given for the refusal was what the Home Office is characterising as the mother abandoning the child.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/11/opinion/biden-trump-election-2024-rematch.html
We are entering an age of existential risk
By Flo Read"
https://unherd.com/2023/11/nick-bostrom-will-ai-lead-to-tyranny/
Paradoxically, the thing most likely to cause an escalation is an over-assertive attempt to squash things.
What's the line from Citizen Kane?
“You provide the prose poems, and I'll provide the war"?
https://x.com/PeterTatchell/status/1723441409410158949?s=20
I hope you'e right and Brigadier Winter sees off the yobs and idiots
Never did me any good. Crap at chess, mediocre at Bridge, ducked out of Maths at A-level.
But faced with an array of geometrical shapes I can still predict with uncanny accuracy that the next one in the sequence will a square inscribed in a pentagon surmounted by a triangle.
https://twitter.com/h_imannn/status/1723662988345819602
Though of course Trump has to avoid being convicted and jailed next year to make that a serious prospect. Ironically, had he just calmly accepted 2020 defeat and not stirred up his supporters to challenge it the relatively poor state of the US economy would make it very likely he would return to the White House
He had to challenge his defeat to keep his supporters onside, protect his fragile ego, and keep the grift money rolling in.
It seems practice helps hugely with speed. Not necessarily with getting the hard ones, but exams are timed so that’s the key thing.
I always liked verbal reasoning most.
The Prince of Wales was an air sea rescue pilot
Bibi seems a laddy who is not for turning, the alternative being if Israel takes a breath they'll start asking where the buck stops.
This would be a super popcorn moment .
Funny old world.
As it did it may still be that that costs him a return to the White House