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"Police estimate 300,000 pro-Palestinian protesters calling for a Gaza ceasefire have marched in central London, in the biggest UK rally since the Israel-Gaza war began
More than 100 counter-protesters have been arrested including a large number in Pimlico, near the protest route, the Met Police says
Officers earlier faced aggression from some of the counter-protesters - who include some far-right groups - near the Cenotaph war memorial, police say
Video shows counter-protesters shoving police officers and chanting: "You're not English anymore"
Rishi Sunak says criminality disrespects the armed forces - as he condemns violent scenes
The PM condemned "EDL thugs" for attacking police officers and also protesters "singing antisemitic chants"
Met Police say nine officers were injured – two of them needing hospital treatment for a broken elbow and dislocated hip
At 11:00, hundreds of people gathered at the Cenotaph to observe two minutes of silence and commemorate the UK's war dead"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67390343
No mention that the pro-Palestinians were shooting fireworks at the faces of the cops, by the end
No mention of the attempted stabbings, the menacing gangs, the mobbing of Gove, the cars driving around full of people shouting at Jews
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
Officers also intercepted a group of 150. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face
However scrolling down finds a fuller account which is:-
Arrests made after officers struck by fireworks - police
Earlier we reported that officers detained a breakaway group of about 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The statement from the assistant commissioner says the group of 150 were "wearing face coverings and firing fireworks".
He says "arrests were made" after some officers were struck in the face with fireworks.
His statement adds that the Met will be publishing images people suspected to have committed offences, such as showing support for UK proscribed terrorist organisations, including Hamas.
And earlier than that, where it becomes clear the BBC reporters did not see this first-hand:-
We've had another update from the Metropolitan Police to say that officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration.
The group in Grosvenor Place in Belgravia were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings, the force says in a post on X, formerly Twitter.
Officers are detaining and searching those involved under Section 60 and 60AA powers, the Met adds.
The Met is using the word detained in its statement, but this may not be the same as being arrested. BBC News is asking the Met for more information.
Royal British Legion says public supported appeal as usual with no evidence volunteers were targeted
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/11/police-misleading-reports-attacks-on-poppy-sellers
The Veterans minister has claimed hundreds of pounds on expenses for 20 snaps of himself taken by photo agencies, which he’s used on his website and on campaign leaflets
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-minister-johnny-mercer-told-31415687
https://twitter.com/Vanguard_WW2/status/1723258245140054111
What a shock !
https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/1723462648577081629?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ
https://x.com/channel4news/status/1723437597232386241?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1723429646283210913?t=vF2sKBk0Njp5r60kwfnSyQ&s=19
C4 news not showing much impartiality. May not be a surprise to some.
Their replacement tweet wasn't much better. "'vast-majority' of arrests were from Far-Right"
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1723437597232386241?t=lGwHKhAXSeJrojOycn9FnA&s=19
Not sure if the police just detained this group causing danger or then arrested them.
https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1723420872403296605?t=qITlUix61E6Jr2ihzRRuVg&s=19
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There was a group of casuals detained by the police yesterday to prevent a breach of the peace.
People who call all casuals neo nazi or far right are wrong. Some will be.
Most just turn up for,a ruck and a pissup. They were even brawling among themselves. Their politics goes across the whole spectrum. They just like a tear up.
A long day remembering the fallen finishing tonight alone at Thiepval looking stunning in the clear night air.
#ArmisticeDay @CWGC #cheshire #ww1
https://twitter.com/cheshire1418/status/1723448756924768764?t=-7gbX-7_JDEPPt3Q36LB8Q&s=19
Had she not wound people up by her statements earlier in the week, many of the morons wouldn't have shown up- they are too dumb to work it out by themselves.
Then the focus would have been on the proPalestinian march; how much the fringe of that went too far, whether the core message was sensible.
Instead, the focus is understandably on the worst behaviour by the worst people, which was Team Tommy.
The very day that Allied (specifically Free Polish) forces retook the gate, and while fighting was continuing in other parts of Ypres, the ceremonies restarted.
It is not a 'beautiful game'. It may have been at one stage; but money has corrupted it.
Edit: and it's not just at the top level. See this from a few months ago.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/14/non-league-football-team-walk-off-over-racial-abuse
Or this:
https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/23859762.racist-comments-made-sheringham-football-club-player/
etc, etc.
You’ve the risk of a bunch of anti-Nige people doing a pile on in voting
But do they want him off to show their virtue by voting against him, or do they want him on being tormented?
But far worse happened, and was cheerfully shrugged off, in the 70s and 80s.
He’ll probably come second
But blimey. It's being going since 2002.
rTommeh who fucked off in a cab pretty early in the day. Turned up for a photo op and to massage brand tommeh to the fools who think he’s something to aspire to or support then off he goes. Probably to join his fellow Luton fans drinking a pub dry of cheap lager.
Many would have gone anyway.
It is foolish to assume all casuals are unintelligent. Many are not. My former boss, an FD at a medium size manufacturer was regularly getting into brawls and all day pissups. Many of his fellow casuals were also in decent jobs. They just loved the adrenaline surge. Only stopped after his wife gave him an ultimatum.
But no way to really predict
No surprises to see the DM continue its operation of Save Suella .
Not a day to be really proud of yesterday, was it? Although I’m glad the march for a ceasefire in Gaza passed off reasonably peacefully.
Let us hope that everything passes off peacefully today.
@Leon was right. It reflects badly on too many posters on here that they don't have the humility or integrity to admit it.
It was the fifth to have taken place since the October 7 massacre perpetrated by Hamas in Israel but by far the most violent, with 126 arrests by 9.10pm and nine police officers injured. Last Saturday the number of arrests totalled 29.
Although the vast majority of those arrested were far-right counter-protesters, Michael Gove, the communities secretary, had to be bundled into a police van for his own safety after he was confronted by dozens of pro-Palestine activists while walking through Victoria station in central London.
I'm glad the EDL's hairless Blutos earlier in the day got shown up as the thugs that they were of course.
My impression yesterday evening was the same one I had after the 2017 election; while so many profess to care about ‘all forms of racism’, when it comes to antisemitism the vast majority simply don’t care, for the sake of political and administrative expediency. It seems particularly true for those of comparatively younger generations and does not bode well for the future.
Braverman should not be the Home Secretary for the same multiple reasons she should never have been appointed by Sunak in the first place. But when this particular stopped clock describes the demonstration as a ‘Hate March’ more righteous anger seems to have been directed at her than at those rejoicing in the deliberate and calculated mutilation, torture and incineration of Jewish Israeli civilians.
Is our political climate so football-team-partisan that bogeymen can’t be on both sides?
While we are all busy obliging the Home Secretary by making her the focal point of this story, what are Jews in London to do? I say this as someone who wants demonstrations such as these to be allowed to go ahead but when a particular community is so singled out and intimidated what is the solution?
Mr. Waters, I'm not well-versed in the law but would've thought shooting fireworks at police an offence worthy of arrest.
Opposition parties have been joined by Tory MPs of the liberal persuasion in recoiling in disgust at the deliberately inflammatory provocations of Suella Braverman. “Mad” and “bad” are among the descriptions to be heard from moderate Tories. They’re pressing Rishi Sunak to get a pair of cojones and fire her, both for what she has done and for defying Number 10’s instructions not to do it.
Unforgivably, in the eyes of many in her own party as well as many outside it, she has sought to undermine the police and fundamental principles of the free society. Sir Tom Winsor, the chief inspector of constabulary during the time of four previous Conservative home secretaries, had it right when he said that Ms Braverman had crossed a sacrosanct line: “It’s unprecedented. It’s contrary to the spirit of the ancient constitutional settlement with the police… A home secretary of all people is not the person to do this.”
The question for the prime minister is how much longer he can tolerate a recklessly irresponsible and serially disloyal home secretary who can never see division without wanting to fan its flames in the cynical pursuit of her own ambitions.
It is his own fault that Mr Sunak faces this question. Mr Sunak brought her back, not because he thought she had the character and qualities to be a capable home secretary, but because he made a desperate bargain with her in the belief that he needed the support of the party’s hard right to secure the Tory leadership. Mr Sunak must surely now see that she is inside the tent pissing all over him.
...says one former Conservative cabinet minister. “If Rishi doesn’t sack her, he will be permanently weakened.” The question facing all Tories, especially the party’s more moderate MPs and members, is whether they want their party to become defined by Ms Braverman’s toxic brand of politics. There is no doubt there are some votes in being an unashamedly and explicitly “nasty party”, but history suggests there will never be enough backers for it to win an election in Britain.
Note what I said yesterday.
Disappointing.
Trebles all 'round.
https://x.com/ukreloaded/status/1723487436943089908?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ
Let me admit one other thing I got wrong (show you how it's done): up until about 9am yesterday I thought The March was planned *for today* to clash with the main Rememberance Sunday event, and the mass march past the cenotaph by thousands of veterans. I got that wrong and felt pretty silly about it - although I bet I wasn't the only one. Mea culpa.
You?
Yet you defend @leon for getting it hysterical wrong by a massive factor and ranting all night about it.
Pathetic defence this morning.
Hats off to you.
Someone at the BBC enjoying themselves putting Chakrabarti on with Nadine - a day for the shameless...
'If the judges reject our plan, then at that point we have to go to the country,' a close friend of the Home Secretary explained to me. 'We have to put our case directly to the people.'
According to Braverman's allies, this high-risk, shock-and-awe strategy has been discussed with the Prime Minister's senior election adviser, Isaac Levido. 'Isaac sees the advantages. He's supportive,' they claimed.
And what about Rishi Sunak himself?
'He's not there yet. But he has to be. It's time for him to man up and grow a pair.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12738393/DAN-HODGES-snap-Election-judges-veto-Rwanda-plan-Surely-better-year-drift-decay.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514
…Separately, the Met criticised the actions of "breakaway groups behaving in an intimidating manner" at the end of the pro-Palestinian march, and said arrests were made after fireworks struck officers in the face.
It also issued photos of three individuals it suspects of antisemitic hate crimes during the march...
These are usually sliding scale depending on how long they remain in. If he is out early doors he may snot get too much.
Leon did say ten to fifteen thousand people. Love to admit I was wrong, but I'm not. He said it. He did.
There are regularly more trouble at League One / Two football matches (which is worrying, due to combination of widespread coke usage & kods gone wild after COVID).
No shortage of far right keyboard warriors to back them up from safety.
Any time you get a bunch of young men together, especially with alcohol and machismo involved, aggression and fighting will follow, especially now there's no big war in this country for them to vent their rage. There's a reason 90% of our prisoners are young or middle-aged men. And whenever money is involved, corruption is likely to follow. So, yes, professional or semi-professional football is a sewer, the Twitter of sports, but if it weren't that, it'd be something else.
Ie multiple fireworks let off by a large group vs tens of thousands letting off fireworks individually but in the same location
Defenders of football need to ask why Bath vs Gloucester can have fans mixed, drinking together but Portsmouth vs Southampton cannot. Ther3 is something ‘off’ with football. The behaviour towards refs at both the highest level and sadly at kids level too.
I love both sports, but there is a wilful blindness about the bad aspects of football from those in and around the game.
Can Israel continue to exist as an apartheid state or will it be forced give equality to all racial grouping under its domination?
That’s possibly the worst hate crime I’ve seen. It’s so bold and stark.
Also, judging purely by her accented English, she might be an immigrant? If that is the case I’d look at revoking her right to remain. Her attitude is completely incompatible with our values
If you went on the Palestine march yesterday, you went in the knowledge that others going would be calling for Jihad, the massacre of Jews and the destruction of Israel. You knew that this would cause huge upset to a large number of Jewish people. You didn’t care. That gives you a degree of complicity. And anyone on the march who saw the banners and heard the cries and did nothing loses the degree. They are entirely complicit.
As for Braverman, she knew no march was planned for today, she knew the actual march was going nowhere near the Cenotaph, she had been briefed by the police and clearly advised about the importance of lowering the temperature. She didn’t care because she saw an opportunity. And Sunak did nothing. Pathetic.