I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
Its not that strange, its just observation bias.
Hamas are firing hundreds of missiles daily, a third of which land in Gaza. They don't care that many land in Gaza, as they don't value Gazan lives, if they kill some Israelis its worth it.
All the misfires that land wayward somewhere of no importance, they don't get noticed. One that lands wayward on a hospital, that gets noticed.
Its like if you threw hundreds of darts blindfolded in the vague vicinity of a dartboard. You might get one that hits a bullseye while hundreds go elsewhere. If the reporting then omits all others and just says "nico hits a bullseye while blindfolded" then that's accurate, but what happened was not really strange.
Official Israel SoS X account has removed the video they originally posted to show it was a Hamas rocket after someone noted the timestamp didn't match up to the timeline.
Yes, it's bollocks
Israel did this, I fear. We need really solid proof they didn't, because they are the ones bombing Gaza relentlessly and this looks like yet another bomb on Gaza. It is that simple
Israel should know by now, and is not acting like it needs to explain itself. That tells me either it wasn’t Israel or something went so off target they don’t know it was them themselves.
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
No, it's an accident. If you are constantly bombing a crowded city - which is what Israel is doing (and probably with justification, given October 7) - then eventually you will make a mistake and bomb the wrong target, or some ordnance goes awry. As we see
That has to be the default assumption absent some quite compelling evidence. Anyone who says otherwise, without that evidence, is propagandizing
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
They have hit hospitals before*. One on the 14th from the same hospital group.
"Awful news: Ahli Anglican Hospital in Gaza City has just been hit by a missile. Thankfully no one injured, but one of the floors in the diagnostic building was partially destroyed. Israel says it doesn’t target civilians or non military institutions, but it keeps on happening." https://twitter.com/sgcjerusalem/status/1713255097776636178
I see PB has been having fun with the caps lock key today.
IT WAS MOSTLY ME. I WAS TRYING TO INJECT HUMOUR IN AN UNPLEASANT TIME. IT WOULD HAVE WORKED IF I HAD REMEMBERED TO INCLUDE THE "HUMOUR" BIT 😀
It is possible for someone's keyboard to get stuck on caps lock. Let's not forget that.
As per the vintage bash.org quote from some 90s IRC channel:
Khassaki: HI EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!! Judge-Mental: try pressing the the Caps Lock key Khassaki: O THANKS!!! ITS SO MUCH EASIER TO WRITE NOW!!!!!!! Judge-Mental: fuck me
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
Cock ups and collateral damage happen a lot more often than realised
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
No, it's an accident. If you are constantly bombing a crowded city - which is what Israel is doing (and probably with justification, given October 7) - then eventually you will make a mistake and bomb the wrong target, or some ordnance goes awry. As we see
That has to be the default assumption absent some quite compelling evidence. Anyone who says otherwise, without that evidence, is propagandizing
Hamas are constantly bombing the city too, so why do you assume Israel did it?
The only difference is that Israel uses precision guided ammunition while Hamas do not.
It seems like the whole area are convinced the Israelis are responsible. Obviously they hadn't consulted Batholomew and the other Middle East experts on here but this is now really serious. It seems that the missile was too big for a Hamas rocket but I'm sure there is a good answer which the PB experts will furnish the waiting countries with soon.
This is not heading for a happy ending. If the Arab street and Turkey get involved this could be calamitous.
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
Its not that strange, its just observation bias.
Hamas are firing hundreds of missiles daily, a third of which land in Gaza. They don't care that many land in Gaza, as they don't value Gazan lives, if they kill some Israelis its worth it.
All the misfires that land wayward somewhere of no importance, they don't get noticed. One that lands wayward on a hospital, that gets noticed.
Its like if you threw hundreds of darts blindfolded in the vague vicinity of a dartboard. You might get one that hits a bullseye while hundreds go elsewhere. If the reporting then omits all others and just says "nico hits a bullseye while blindfolded" then that's accurate, but what happened was not really strange.
Are the Hamas rockets capable of that much damage?
The Beeb is having a shocker. Another headline says "In the Occupied West Bank the ruling Palestinian Authority.. "
I think that journalism has always been a bit crap, but it got away with it in the past because the only report available was that from the foreign correspondent. If they got it wrong nobody had anything to compare it with to spot any mistakes, or bias, or ommissions.
Nowadays there is a barrage of information from the moment something happens, and whilst a lot of it will be misleading there are nuggets amongst the rubbish. You get real expert opinion at times, not just a journalist's poor reporting, and you get to see many more sources, even if they are amateur, to view an event from all sorts of points of view. What this shows is that initial reporting of anything is rarely very good, and all too often journalists do not correct the record when they are wrong.
Also there was always a delay, often significant, days, to report on an event. Now with 24hr news cycle and tw@tter, too often they just publish what they read on from somebody supposedly reliable on the tw@tter machine, and then others who trust them, rinse and repeat.
Already seen it with the claim IDF said well we did say to evacuate.... That was originally from Al-Jazeera saying somebody told them the IDF said that, which quickly got re-tw@ttered as IDF said that.
OK - fake news then?
The only source I have seen is originally from this Al-Jazeera claim.
It could that some IDF person heartlessly said this off the cuff, but all on the record official statements I have seen say nothing of the sort.
It seems like the whole area are convinced the Israelis are responsible. Obviously they hadn't consulted Batholomew and the other Middle East experts on here but this is now really serious. It seems that the missile was too big for a Hamas rocket but I'm sure there is a good answer which the PB experts will furnish us with soon.
This is not heading for a happy ending. If the Arab street and Turkey get involved this could be calamitous.
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
Its not that strange, its just observation bias.
Hamas are firing hundreds of missiles daily, a third of which land in Gaza. They don't care that many land in Gaza, as they don't value Gazan lives, if they kill some Israelis its worth it.
All the misfires that land wayward somewhere of no importance, they don't get noticed. One that lands wayward on a hospital, that gets noticed.
Its like if you threw hundreds of darts blindfolded in the vague vicinity of a dartboard. You might get one that hits a bullseye while hundreds go elsewhere. If the reporting then omits all others and just says "nico hits a bullseye while blindfolded" then that's accurate, but what happened was not really strange.
Are the Hamas rockets capable of that much damage?
If Hamas were storing ammunition in the hospital so their rocket caused secondary explosions?
Yes, definitely!
Although I believe hospitals are dangerous places when it comes to explosions anyway, due to the amounts of oxygen in the building? Not sure if that's legit or too much Grey's Anatomy etc.
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
Its not that strange, its just observation bias.
Hamas are firing hundreds of missiles daily, a third of which land in Gaza. They don't care that many land in Gaza, as they don't value Gazan lives, if they kill some Israelis its worth it.
All the misfires that land wayward somewhere of no importance, they don't get noticed. One that lands wayward on a hospital, that gets noticed.
Its like if you threw hundreds of darts blindfolded in the vague vicinity of a dartboard. You might get one that hits a bullseye while hundreds go elsewhere. If the reporting then omits all others and just says "nico hits a bullseye while blindfolded" then that's accurate, but what happened was not really strange.
Are the Hamas rockets capable of that much damage?
No. Unless they hit some munitions dump
But that's where Occam's razor comes in. You need quite a sequence of unlikely events to reach the conclusion Hamas are responsible. It is not impossible, but it is a stretch
Whereas on the other side you have the nation that is aerially bombarding Gaza every minute, and now we have some aerial bombardment of Gaza that, it seems, has gone badly wrong
But as I say, I bet this is all largely forgotten in a week or two. We will be looking at greater enormities by then
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
Its not that strange, its just observation bias.
Hamas are firing hundreds of missiles daily, a third of which land in Gaza. They don't care that many land in Gaza, as they don't value Gazan lives, if they kill some Israelis its worth it.
All the misfires that land wayward somewhere of no importance, they don't get noticed. One that lands wayward on a hospital, that gets noticed.
Its like if you threw hundreds of darts blindfolded in the vague vicinity of a dartboard. You might get one that hits a bullseye while hundreds go elsewhere. If the reporting then omits all others and just says "nico hits a bullseye while blindfolded" then that's accurate, but what happened was not really strange.
Are the Hamas rockets capable of that much damage?
If Hamas were storing ammunition in the hospital so their rocket caused secondary explosions?
Yes, definitely!
Although I believe hospitals are dangerous places when it comes to explosions anyway, due to the amounts of oxygen in the building? Not sure if that's legit or too much Grey's Anatomy etc.
So now it's a malfunctioning rocket happened to hit a hospital, which happened to be doubling up as an ammunition storage facility?
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
Its not that strange, its just observation bias.
Hamas are firing hundreds of missiles daily, a third of which land in Gaza. They don't care that many land in Gaza, as they don't value Gazan lives, if they kill some Israelis its worth it.
All the misfires that land wayward somewhere of no importance, they don't get noticed. One that lands wayward on a hospital, that gets noticed.
Its like if you threw hundreds of darts blindfolded in the vague vicinity of a dartboard. You might get one that hits a bullseye while hundreds go elsewhere. If the reporting then omits all others and just says "nico hits a bullseye while blindfolded" then that's accurate, but what happened was not really strange.
Are the Hamas rockets capable of that much damage?
No. Unless they hit some munitions dump
But that's where Occam's razor comes in. You need quite a sequence of unlikely events to reach the conclusion Hamas are responsible. It is not impossible, but it is a stretch
Whereas on the other side you have the nation that is aerially bombarding Gaza every minute, and now we have some aerial bombardment of Gaza that, it seems, has gone badly wrong
But as I say, I bet this is all largely forgotten in a week or two. We will be looking at greater enormities by then
Which event is unlikely?
Do this betting style:
Event 1: Hamas were firing rockets. Odds? 100%
Event 2: Some Hamas rockets misfired and landed in Gaza. Odds? 100% 1/3rd of all rockets they fire misfire, they're launching hundreds a day, so 1/3 of hundreds misfired and landed in Gaza.
Event 3: One of the misfired rockets landed on the hospital. Odds? Unknown
The last one is the only event that's random, all others have P=1
Workers on the Millennium Bridge, by reducing the headroom of the bridge while they work, have triggered an ancient by-law of London requiring that a bale of straw be hung underneath to warn river traffic:"
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
Its not that strange, its just observation bias.
Hamas are firing hundreds of missiles daily, a third of which land in Gaza. They don't care that many land in Gaza, as they don't value Gazan lives, if they kill some Israelis its worth it.
All the misfires that land wayward somewhere of no importance, they don't get noticed. One that lands wayward on a hospital, that gets noticed.
Its like if you threw hundreds of darts blindfolded in the vague vicinity of a dartboard. You might get one that hits a bullseye while hundreds go elsewhere. If the reporting then omits all others and just says "nico hits a bullseye while blindfolded" then that's accurate, but what happened was not really strange.
Are the Hamas rockets capable of that much damage?
If Hamas were storing ammunition in the hospital so their rocket caused secondary explosions?
Yes, definitely!
Although I believe hospitals are dangerous places when it comes to explosions anyway, due to the amounts of oxygen in the building? Not sure if that's legit or too much Grey's Anatomy etc.
So now it's a malfunctioning rocket happened to hit a hospital, which happened to be doubling up as an ammunition storage facility?
No, you don't understand, it's all the oxygen tanks, and possibly the medicinal alcohol stored in the pharmacy, and also a guy called Roberto Kerfuffle with a glass of arak standing at the front door of A&E, put all that together with a stray EU funded waterpipe missile and you can easily demolish an entire city block
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
Its not that strange, its just observation bias.
Hamas are firing hundreds of missiles daily, a third of which land in Gaza. They don't care that many land in Gaza, as they don't value Gazan lives, if they kill some Israelis its worth it.
All the misfires that land wayward somewhere of no importance, they don't get noticed. One that lands wayward on a hospital, that gets noticed.
Its like if you threw hundreds of darts blindfolded in the vague vicinity of a dartboard. You might get one that hits a bullseye while hundreds go elsewhere. If the reporting then omits all others and just says "nico hits a bullseye while blindfolded" then that's accurate, but what happened was not really strange.
Are the Hamas rockets capable of that much damage?
If Hamas were storing ammunition in the hospital so their rocket caused secondary explosions?
Yes, definitely!
Although I believe hospitals are dangerous places when it comes to explosions anyway, due to the amounts of oxygen in the building? Not sure if that's legit or too much Grey's Anatomy etc.
Indeed. A direct hit on a hospital, a hospital will generally have its own diesel generator and reserve tanks, or as you say a load of oxygen, chemicals etc. Best to wait for conclusive proof, but I can't believe Israel thought "of all the potential targets, let's blow up this one with all the civilians in it"
My own bias is showing there, but there's footage from different angles that makes a failed rocket seem likely.
War is hell, and it is innocent civilians that will suffer. What's conclusive is who started this, by butchering people in cold blood. And more and more innocents will die as a result.
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
Its not that strange, its just observation bias.
Hamas are firing hundreds of missiles daily, a third of which land in Gaza. They don't care that many land in Gaza, as they don't value Gazan lives, if they kill some Israelis its worth it.
All the misfires that land wayward somewhere of no importance, they don't get noticed. One that lands wayward on a hospital, that gets noticed.
Its like if you threw hundreds of darts blindfolded in the vague vicinity of a dartboard. You might get one that hits a bullseye while hundreds go elsewhere. If the reporting then omits all others and just says "nico hits a bullseye while blindfolded" then that's accurate, but what happened was not really strange.
Are the Hamas rockets capable of that much damage?
No. Unless they hit some munitions dump
But that's where Occam's razor comes in. You need quite a sequence of unlikely events to reach the conclusion Hamas are responsible. It is not impossible, but it is a stretch
Whereas on the other side you have the nation that is aerially bombarding Gaza every minute, and now we have some aerial bombardment of Gaza that, it seems, has gone badly wrong
But as I say, I bet this is all largely forgotten in a week or two. We will be looking at greater enormities by then
Which event is unlikely?
Do this betting style:
Event 1: Hamas were firing rockets. Odds? 100%
Event 2: Some Hamas rockets misfired and landed in Gaza. Odds? 100% 1/3rd of all rockets they fire misfire, they're launching hundreds a day, so 1/3 of hundreds misfired and landed in Gaza.
Event 3: One of the misfired rockets landed on the hospital. Odds? Unknown
The last one is the only event that's random, all others have P=1
Event 4: The hospital has a large ammunition store
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
Its not that strange, its just observation bias.
Hamas are firing hundreds of missiles daily, a third of which land in Gaza. They don't care that many land in Gaza, as they don't value Gazan lives, if they kill some Israelis its worth it.
All the misfires that land wayward somewhere of no importance, they don't get noticed. One that lands wayward on a hospital, that gets noticed.
Its like if you threw hundreds of darts blindfolded in the vague vicinity of a dartboard. You might get one that hits a bullseye while hundreds go elsewhere. If the reporting then omits all others and just says "nico hits a bullseye while blindfolded" then that's accurate, but what happened was not really strange.
Are the Hamas rockets capable of that much damage?
If Hamas were storing ammunition in the hospital so their rocket caused secondary explosions?
Yes, definitely!
Although I believe hospitals are dangerous places when it comes to explosions anyway, due to the amounts of oxygen in the building? Not sure if that's legit or too much Grey's Anatomy etc.
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
Its not that strange, its just observation bias.
Hamas are firing hundreds of missiles daily, a third of which land in Gaza. They don't care that many land in Gaza, as they don't value Gazan lives, if they kill some Israelis its worth it.
All the misfires that land wayward somewhere of no importance, they don't get noticed. One that lands wayward on a hospital, that gets noticed.
Its like if you threw hundreds of darts blindfolded in the vague vicinity of a dartboard. You might get one that hits a bullseye while hundreds go elsewhere. If the reporting then omits all others and just says "nico hits a bullseye while blindfolded" then that's accurate, but what happened was not really strange.
Are the Hamas rockets capable of that much damage?
If Hamas were storing ammunition in the hospital so their rocket caused secondary explosions?
Yes, definitely!
Although I believe hospitals are dangerous places when it comes to explosions anyway, due to the amounts of oxygen in the building? Not sure if that's legit or too much Grey's Anatomy etc.
So now it's a malfunctioning rocket happened to hit a hospital, which happened to be doubling up as an ammunition storage facility?
No, you don't understand, it's all the oxygen tanks, and possibly the medicinal alcohol stored in the pharmacy, and also a guy called Roberto Kerfuffle with a glass of arak standing at the front door of A&E, put all that together with a stray EU funded waterpipe missile and you can easily demolish an entire city block
It seems like the whole area are convinced the Israelis are responsible. Obviously they hadn't consulted Batholomew and the other Middle East experts on here but this is now really serious. It seems that the missile was too big for a Hamas rocket but I'm sure there is a good answer which the PB experts will furnish us with soon.
This is not heading for a happy ending. If the Arab street and Turkey get involved this could be calamitous.
Never seen her before. I was embarrassed on her behalf. Doesn’t seem like she has the temperament or intellect for that job but there we are
Been on Sky for donkeys years.
As I said earlier, I don’t watch “telly”. In this case the algorithm threw that clip my way. Normally I’d dodge Sky News clips but I am procrastinating from leaving the fire / tv for bed.
The Spokesman for the Israeli Defense Force, Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari has announced that they have Intelligence which Confirms that the Explosion and subsequent Fire earlier tonight at Al-Ahli Arabi Baptist Hospital in Northern Gaza, which is reported to have Killed over 500 Palestinians, was caused by a Misfired-Rocket launched by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
Workers on the Millennium Bridge, by reducing the headroom of the bridge while they work, have triggered an ancient by-law of London requiring that a bale of straw be hung underneath to warn river traffic:"
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
Its not that strange, its just observation bias.
Hamas are firing hundreds of missiles daily, a third of which land in Gaza. They don't care that many land in Gaza, as they don't value Gazan lives, if they kill some Israelis its worth it.
All the misfires that land wayward somewhere of no importance, they don't get noticed. One that lands wayward on a hospital, that gets noticed.
Its like if you threw hundreds of darts blindfolded in the vague vicinity of a dartboard. You might get one that hits a bullseye while hundreds go elsewhere. If the reporting then omits all others and just says "nico hits a bullseye while blindfolded" then that's accurate, but what happened was not really strange.
Are the Hamas rockets capable of that much damage?
No. Unless they hit some munitions dump
But that's where Occam's razor comes in. You need quite a sequence of unlikely events to reach the conclusion Hamas are responsible. It is not impossible, but it is a stretch
Whereas on the other side you have the nation that is aerially bombarding Gaza every minute, and now we have some aerial bombardment of Gaza that, it seems, has gone badly wrong
But as I say, I bet this is all largely forgotten in a week or two. We will be looking at greater enormities by then
We don't know whether it was an Israeli or Hamas/Islamic Jihad missile (possibly malfunctioning or intercepted by an Israeli defence system). However, I don't think there's evidence of an ammunition dump exploding; as we've seen in the videos of Russian ammunition dumps being hit, the pattern in that scenario tends to be of a series of explosions after the initial hit. That doesn't seem to be the case in videos of this horrible event.
Workers on the Millennium Bridge, by reducing the headroom of the bridge while they work, have triggered an ancient by-law of London requiring that a bale of straw be hung underneath to warn river traffic:"
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
Its not that strange, its just observation bias.
Hamas are firing hundreds of missiles daily, a third of which land in Gaza. They don't care that many land in Gaza, as they don't value Gazan lives, if they kill some Israelis its worth it.
All the misfires that land wayward somewhere of no importance, they don't get noticed. One that lands wayward on a hospital, that gets noticed.
Its like if you threw hundreds of darts blindfolded in the vague vicinity of a dartboard. You might get one that hits a bullseye while hundreds go elsewhere. If the reporting then omits all others and just says "nico hits a bullseye while blindfolded" then that's accurate, but what happened was not really strange.
Are the Hamas rockets capable of that much damage?
If Hamas were storing ammunition in the hospital so their rocket caused secondary explosions?
Yes, definitely!
Although I believe hospitals are dangerous places when it comes to explosions anyway, due to the amounts of oxygen in the building? Not sure if that's legit or too much Grey's Anatomy etc.
So now it's a malfunctioning rocket happened to hit a hospital, which happened to be doubling up as an ammunition storage facility?
By far the most probable outcome yes.
Hamas are hiding munitions everywhere, its what they do. There's form here.
However they don't need to have hit munition storage, as was said there's plenty of other reasons that a hit on a hospital can be extremely deadly. There's oxygen, generators, power, chemicals, crowding, all sorts of reasons without needing munitions as a secondary factor - even if it is a probable one.
It seems like the whole area are convinced the Israelis are responsible. Obviously they hadn't consulted Batholomew and the other Middle East experts on here but this is now really serious. It seems that the missile was too big for a Hamas rocket but I'm sure there is a good answer which the PB experts will furnish us with soon.
This is not heading for a happy ending. If the Arab street and Turkey get involved this could be calamitous.
Turkey? What are you smoking?
They are demonstrating in Istanbul
Which comes with precisely zero chance of any change in Turkish policy.
It seems like the whole area are convinced the Israelis are responsible. Obviously they hadn't consulted Batholomew and the other Middle East experts on here but this is now really serious. It seems that the missile was too big for a Hamas rocket but I'm sure there is a good answer which the PB experts will furnish us with soon.
This is not heading for a happy ending. If the Arab street and Turkey get involved this could be calamitous.
Turkey? What are you smoking?
They are demonstrating in Istanbul
Which comes with precisely zero chance of any change in Turkish policy.
Rogerdamus can't be expected to understand Turkiye, let alone get its name right.
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
Its not that strange, its just observation bias.
Hamas are firing hundreds of missiles daily, a third of which land in Gaza. They don't care that many land in Gaza, as they don't value Gazan lives, if they kill some Israelis its worth it.
All the misfires that land wayward somewhere of no importance, they don't get noticed. One that lands wayward on a hospital, that gets noticed.
Its like if you threw hundreds of darts blindfolded in the vague vicinity of a dartboard. You might get one that hits a bullseye while hundreds go elsewhere. If the reporting then omits all others and just says "nico hits a bullseye while blindfolded" then that's accurate, but what happened was not really strange.
Are the Hamas rockets capable of that much damage?
No. Unless they hit some munitions dump
But that's where Occam's razor comes in. You need quite a sequence of unlikely events to reach the conclusion Hamas are responsible. It is not impossible, but it is a stretch
Whereas on the other side you have the nation that is aerially bombarding Gaza every minute, and now we have some aerial bombardment of Gaza that, it seems, has gone badly wrong
But as I say, I bet this is all largely forgotten in a week or two. We will be looking at greater enormities by then
A lot of people saying the explosion was too big for a rocket, it must have been explosives that were being stored.
A member of the Knesset saying on Newsnight a missile blew up in the sky over the hospital and fragments landed on stored munitions at the hospital causing the explosion or words to that effect .
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
Its not that strange, its just observation bias.
Hamas are firing hundreds of missiles daily, a third of which land in Gaza. They don't care that many land in Gaza, as they don't value Gazan lives, if they kill some Israelis its worth it.
All the misfires that land wayward somewhere of no importance, they don't get noticed. One that lands wayward on a hospital, that gets noticed.
Its like if you threw hundreds of darts blindfolded in the vague vicinity of a dartboard. You might get one that hits a bullseye while hundreds go elsewhere. If the reporting then omits all others and just says "nico hits a bullseye while blindfolded" then that's accurate, but what happened was not really strange.
Are the Hamas rockets capable of that much damage?
If Hamas were storing ammunition in the hospital so their rocket caused secondary explosions?
Yes, definitely!
Although I believe hospitals are dangerous places when it comes to explosions anyway, due to the amounts of oxygen in the building? Not sure if that's legit or too much Grey's Anatomy etc.
FFS this is on you. Stop wishing it away and making up implausible stuff..
The cycle of violence will escalate further.
It was obvious the green lighting of genocide by Sunak SKS would result in a massacre like this
The Spokesman for the Israeli Defense Force, Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari has announced that they have Intelligence which Confirms that the Explosion and subsequent Fire earlier tonight at Al-Ahli Arabi Baptist Hospital in Northern Gaza, which is reported to have Killed over 500 Palestinians, was caused by a Misfired-Rocket launched by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
I think @RochdalePioneers had this right earlier. Either Israel are pretty convinced they’re right on this, or they have massively upped the stakes by deliberately lying to try to pin this on someone else.
Though I guess the opprobrium you’d get from lying is probably swallowed up by that which you’d get from bombing a hospital.
It seems like the whole area are convinced the Israelis are responsible. Obviously they hadn't consulted Batholomew and the other Middle East experts on here but this is now really serious. It seems that the missile was too big for a Hamas rocket but I'm sure there is a good answer which the PB experts will furnish us with soon.
This is not heading for a happy ending. If the Arab street and Turkey get involved this could be calamitous.
Turkey? What are you smoking?
They are demonstrating in Istanbul
Which comes with precisely zero chance of any change in Turkish policy.
The Israelis have asked their citizens to leave the country
The Spokesman for the Israeli Defense Force, Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari has announced that they have Intelligence which Confirms that the Explosion and subsequent Fire earlier tonight at Al-Ahli Arabi Baptist Hospital in Northern Gaza, which is reported to have Killed over 500 Palestinians, was caused by a Misfired-Rocket launched by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
I think @RochdalePioneers had this right earlier. Either Israel are pretty convinced they’re right on this, or they have massively upped the stakes by deliberately lying to try to pin this on someone else.
Though I guess the opprobrium you’d get from lying is probably swallowed up by that which you’d get from bombing a hospital.
... Or it's all just a hot mess and everyone hopes yet another atrocity will have taken over the headlines by tomorrow.
The Spokesman for the Israeli Defense Force, Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari has announced that they have Intelligence which Confirms that the Explosion and subsequent Fire earlier tonight at Al-Ahli Arabi Baptist Hospital in Northern Gaza, which is reported to have Killed over 500 Palestinians, was caused by a Misfired-Rocket launched by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
I think @RochdalePioneers had this right earlier. Either Israel are pretty convinced they’re right on this, or they have massively upped the stakes by deliberately lying to try to pin this on someone else.
Though I guess the opprobrium you’d get from lying is probably swallowed up by that which you’d get from bombing a hospital.
Ultimately I think they will have to show receipts, which will mean burning some intel sources.
We do have someone with a paramotor who buzzes about on calm days from a field about 5 miles NE of Doncaster. He buzzed me at no more than 300ft (below max drone height) about a week ago. Wasn't terribly impressed.
Then he was breaking the law. Unless landing, no aircraft (including a paramotor) may be within 500' in a direct line of any person, vehicle, or structure. He could legally be at 300', but only if the total distance between him and you (or any other person) was under 500'
Indeed.
It was a rural location on an estate in the middle of nowhere, but still, it definitely looked illegal to me.
Even if I was seeing it wrong and he was really at 501ft it was still pretty rude.
I can see why someone might get annoyed by it but I can't say 'Hamas' was my first thought...
It seems like the whole area are convinced the Israelis are responsible. Obviously they hadn't consulted Batholomew and the other Middle East experts on here but this is now really serious. It seems that the missile was too big for a Hamas rocket but I'm sure there is a good answer which the PB experts will furnish us with soon.
This is not heading for a happy ending. If the Arab street and Turkey get involved this could be calamitous.
Turkey? What are you smoking?
They are demonstrating in Istanbul
Which comes with precisely zero chance of any change in Turkish policy.
The Israelis have asked their citizens to leave the country
Hmm. Maybe. But Turkish protests against Israel are pretty baked in.
Erfogan’s son being involved was interesting but I still think these priests are nothing.
It seems like the whole area are convinced the Israelis are responsible. Obviously they hadn't consulted Batholomew and the other Middle East experts on here but this is now really serious. It seems that the missile was too big for a Hamas rocket but I'm sure there is a good answer which the PB experts will furnish us with soon.
This is not heading for a happy ending. If the Arab street and Turkey get involved this could be calamitous.
Turkey? What are you smoking?
They are demonstrating in Istanbul
Which comes with precisely zero chance of any change in Turkish policy.
Rogerdamus can't be expected to understand Turkiye, let alone get its name right.
I have worked there about 20 times which would mean I've spent about half a year there . I know Istanbul very well
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
Its not that strange, its just observation bias.
Hamas are firing hundreds of missiles daily, a third of which land in Gaza. They don't care that many land in Gaza, as they don't value Gazan lives, if they kill some Israelis its worth it.
All the misfires that land wayward somewhere of no importance, they don't get noticed. One that lands wayward on a hospital, that gets noticed.
Its like if you threw hundreds of darts blindfolded in the vague vicinity of a dartboard. You might get one that hits a bullseye while hundreds go elsewhere. If the reporting then omits all others and just says "nico hits a bullseye while blindfolded" then that's accurate, but what happened was not really strange.
Are the Hamas rockets capable of that much damage?
If Hamas were storing ammunition in the hospital so their rocket caused secondary explosions?
Yes, definitely!
Although I believe hospitals are dangerous places when it comes to explosions anyway, due to the amounts of oxygen in the building? Not sure if that's legit or too much Grey's Anatomy etc.
So now it's a malfunctioning rocket happened to hit a hospital, which happened to be doubling up as an ammunition storage facility?
Hard to believe sensible PB-ers are going to such lengths to deny probable Israeli culpability here
Now: we don't know for sure. That is true. And we probably never will
But really, what country is dropping huge bombs on Gaza? Israel. This is a huge bomb which just dropped on Gaza
I don’t know what happened. But I am minded to believe the imperfect democracy above the fascist death cult. The uk press was pretty shameful in the first hour, for instinctively flinching the opposite way.
Hard to believe sensible PB-ers are going to such lengths to deny probable Israeli culpability here
Now: we don't know for sure. That is true. And we probably never will
But really, what country is dropping huge bombs on Gaza? Israel. This is a huge bomb which just dropped on Gaza
I don’t know what happened. But I am minded to believe the imperfect democracy above the fascist death cult. The uk press was pretty shameful in the first hour, for instinctively flinching the opposite way.
Hard to believe sensible PB-ers are going to such lengths to deny probable Israeli culpability here
Now: we don't know for sure. That is true. And we probably never will
But really, what country is dropping huge bombs on Gaza? Israel. This is a huge bomb which just dropped on Gaza
I don’t know what happened. But I am minded to believe the imperfect democracy above the fascist death cult. The uk press was pretty shameful in the first hour, for instinctively flinching the opposite way.
What the hell has Israel to gain by doing this?
Nothing.
It makes no sense to deliberately target it the day before the US President arrives. Leon’s point is not wholly without merit, that Israel is dropping lots of ordnance and mistakes happen. But that argument goes both ways. And the other side have a motive and sick mental capacity to do it on purpose too.
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
No, it's an accident. If you are constantly bombing a crowded city - which is what Israel is doing (and probably with justification, given October 7) - then eventually you will make a mistake and bomb the wrong target, or some ordnance goes awry. As we see
That has to be the default assumption absent some quite compelling evidence. Anyone who says otherwise, without that evidence, is propagandizing
Hamas are constantly bombing the city too, so why do you assume Israel did it?
The only difference is that Israel uses precision guided ammunition while Hamas do not.
Occam's razor says that Hamas did it.
Hamas are desperate to win back some public sympathy.
I personally believe they are capable of anything to achieve that.
Workers on the Millennium Bridge, by reducing the headroom of the bridge while they work, have triggered an ancient by-law of London requiring that a bale of straw be hung underneath to warn river traffic:"
Just watched the Richard Madeley / Layla Moran interview, and can't see what all the fuss is about. Layla Moran didn't seem particularly bothered by the question at the time.
It seems like the whole area are convinced the Israelis are responsible. Obviously they hadn't consulted Batholomew and the other Middle East experts on here but this is now really serious. It seems that the missile was too big for a Hamas rocket but I'm sure there is a good answer which the PB experts will furnish us with soon.
This is not heading for a happy ending. If the Arab street and Turkey get involved this could be calamitous.
Turkey? What are you smoking?
They are demonstrating in Istanbul
Which comes with precisely zero chance of any change in Turkish policy.
Rogerdamus can't be expected to understand Turkiye, let alone get its name right.
He is getting it right. We have a word in English for Turkey, as knowledge of Turkey has been part of our culture for a long time. See also Florence; see also Switzerland; see also Germany.
German Chancellor, Olaf Scholz and his Group of Advisors were forced to Evacuate their Aircraft and lay on the Tarmac before being rushed to a Bomb Shelter at Ben Gurion International Airport in Tel Aviv during a Rocket Barrage launched against the City earlier tonight.
Hard to believe sensible PB-ers are going to such lengths to deny probable Israeli culpability here
Now: we don't know for sure. That is true. And we probably never will
But really, what country is dropping huge bombs on Gaza? Israel. This is a huge bomb which just dropped on Gaza
I don’t know what happened. But I am minded to believe the imperfect democracy above the fascist death cult. The uk press was pretty shameful in the first hour, for instinctively flinching the opposite way.
What the hell has Israel to gain by doing this?
Nothing.
They are trying to spread fear. Whether it's a mistake or not it's a logical conclusion to what they've been doing for the last ten days.
German Chancellor, Olaf Scholz and his Group of Advisors were forced to Evacuate their Aircraft and lay on the Tarmac before being rushed to a Bomb Shelter at Ben Gurion International Airport in Tel Aviv during a Rocket Barrage launched against the City earlier tonight.
The potential for an Archduke Ferdinand moment has got to be relatively high. Leaders may have been lulled into a false sense of securtiy by all those visits to Kyiv.
Hard to believe sensible PB-ers are going to such lengths to deny probable Israeli culpability here
Now: we don't know for sure. That is true. And we probably never will
But really, what country is dropping huge bombs on Gaza? Israel. This is a huge bomb which just dropped on Gaza
I don’t know what happened. But I am minded to believe the imperfect democracy above the fascist death cult. The uk press was pretty shameful in the first hour, for instinctively flinching the opposite way.
What the hell has Israel to gain by doing this?
Nothing.
They are trying to spread fear. Whether it's a mistake or not it's a logical conclusion to what they've been doing for the last ten days.
No, that's what Hamas and its ilk are trying to do.
And Hamas and its ilk are firing rockets at Gaza (as in firing at Israel while knowing full well that a third will hit Gaza instead).
Never seen her before. I was embarrassed on her behalf. Doesn’t seem like she has the temperament or intellect for that job but there we are
She's been on Sky News for about 20 years at least.
Should I be impressed by that? Never heard of her. And she went off a cliff in this interview.
The interesting bit is her emotion riled the spokesperson, who was a UK ambassador iirc (so used to being diplomatic), into a rant about "time to destroy Hamas" etc etc.
This is why Israel is walking into a trap. Driven, understandably by raw pain and anger, they will invade with 10,000s of Israel reservists and walk into a house by house blood bath.
Never seen her before. I was embarrassed on her behalf. Doesn’t seem like she has the temperament or intellect for that job but there we are
She's been on Sky News for about 20 years at least.
Should I be impressed by that? Never heard of her. And she went off a cliff in this interview.
The interesting bit is her emotion riled the spokesperson, who was a UK ambassador iirc (so used to being diplomatic), into a rant about "time to destroy Hamas" etc etc.
This is why Israel is walking into a trap. Driven, understandably by raw pain and anger, they will invade with 10,000s of Israel reservists and walk into a house by house blood bath.
It is time to destroy Hamas. It is past time to destroy Hamas.
Just as ISIS was destroyed, just as the Tamil Tigers were destroyed.
Some here seem to be under a myth that you can't destroy terror groups. You can, and Israel should.
Given Biden’s visit tomorrow it would be insane for the IDF to target a hospital .
Someone mentioned Occams Razor earlier and I think that’s apt for this .
A malfunction by either the IDF or rocket fired from Gaza seems the most likely or less likely a desperate false flag operation .
The truth can be grimmer than we are aware of. Hamas could have been using the hospital as a base for military operations to use it as a human shield, and the Israelis could have then decided to hit it regardless.
The curve ball response from Israel would have been to turn the other cheek - at least for time being - other than special forces sent to try and rescue hostages plus negotiate prisoner swaps.
It would have blown Iran's play and wrong footed Hamas.
President Biden will postpone his travel to Jordan and a planned meeting with King Abdullah II of Jordan, President Abbas of the Palestinian Authority and President Sisi of Egypt, the White House says.
It seems like the whole area are convinced the Israelis are responsible. Obviously they hadn't consulted Batholomew and the other Middle East experts on here but this is now really serious. It seems that the missile was too big for a Hamas rocket but I'm sure there is a good answer which the PB experts will furnish us with soon.
This is not heading for a happy ending. If the Arab street and Turkey get involved this could be calamitous.
Turkey? What are you smoking?
They are demonstrating in Istanbul
Which comes with precisely zero chance of any change in Turkish policy.
Rogerdamus can't be expected to understand Turkiye, let alone get its name right.
He is getting it right. We have a word in English for Turkey, as knowledge of Turkey has been part of our culture for a long time. See also Florence; see also Switzerland; see also Germany.
The Turks want us to use THEIR name for Turkey, but they call OUR country Büyük Britanya ve Kuzey İrlanda Birleşik Krallığı.
It seems like the whole area are convinced the Israelis are responsible. Obviously they hadn't consulted Batholomew and the other Middle East experts on here but this is now really serious. It seems that the missile was too big for a Hamas rocket but I'm sure there is a good answer which the PB experts will furnish us with soon.
This is not heading for a happy ending. If the Arab street and Turkey get involved this could be calamitous.
Turkey? What are you smoking?
They are demonstrating in Istanbul
Which comes with precisely zero chance of any change in Turkish policy.
Rogerdamus can't be expected to understand Turkiye, let alone get its name right.
He is getting it right. We have a word in English for Turkey, as knowledge of Turkey has been part of our culture for a long time. See also Florence; see also Switzerland; see also Germany.
The Turks want us to use THEIR name for Turkey, but they call OUR country Büyük Britanya ve Kuzey İrlanda Birleşik Krallığı.
Quite. And has anyone ascertained that they actually give a shit?
*If they did, it wouldn't stop me calling it Turkey, but it would be interesting.
For a moment, it was unclear to reporters if President Biden would take off for the Middle East at all. But he has departed for Tel Aviv, according to Peter Baker, the chief White House correspondent for The New York Times, who is aboard Air Force One.
Given Biden’s visit tomorrow it would be insane for the IDF to target a hospital .
Someone mentioned Occams Razor earlier and I think that’s apt for this .
A malfunction by either the IDF or rocket fired from Gaza seems the most likely or less likely a desperate false flag operation .
The truth can be grimmer than we are aware of. Hamas could have been using the hospital as a base for military operations to use it as a human shield, and the Israelis could have then decided to hit it regardless.
Never seen her before. I was embarrassed on her behalf. Doesn’t seem like she has the temperament or intellect for that job but there we are
She's been on Sky News for about 20 years at least.
Should I be impressed by that? Never heard of her. And she went off a cliff in this interview.
The interesting bit is her emotion riled the spokesperson, who was a UK ambassador iirc (so used to being diplomatic), into a rant about "time to destroy Hamas" etc etc.
This is why Israel is walking into a trap. Driven, understandably by raw pain and anger, they will invade with 10,000s of Israel reservists and walk into a house by house blood bath.
Can’t Hamas just move further south and blend in with those evacuating . Some of their leadership are in other countries so even if you kill a lot of their members you’ve still got those directing things and there’s a conveyor belt of budding new members waiting in the wings after seeing their families wiped out by the IDF.
You really need the Palestinians to turn against Hamas and for new leadership in Gaza and at the same the removal of Netanyahu and his rancid racist cabinet.
Given Biden’s visit tomorrow it would be insane for the IDF to target a hospital .
Someone mentioned Occams Razor earlier and I think that’s apt for this .
A malfunction by either the IDF or rocket fired from Gaza seems the most likely or less likely a desperate false flag operation .
The truth can be grimmer than we are aware of. Hamas could have been using the hospital as a base for military operations to use it as a human shield, and the Israelis could have then decided to hit it regardless.
Not now they wouldn't. Biden arrives tonight.
I doubt they're massively scared of Joe Biden. They're not Rishi Sunak.
Hard to believe sensible PB-ers are going to such lengths to deny probable Israeli culpability here
Now: we don't know for sure. That is true. And we probably never will
But really, what country is dropping huge bombs on Gaza? Israel. This is a huge bomb which just dropped on Gaza
I don’t know what happened. But I am minded to believe the imperfect democracy above the fascist death cult. The uk press was pretty shameful in the first hour, for instinctively flinching the opposite way.
What the hell has Israel to gain by doing this?
Nothing.
They are trying to spread fear. Whether it's a mistake or not it's a logical conclusion to what they've been doing for the last ten days.
Hi @Roger - while I disagree with you, I owe you an apology for last night: I misread 'place' as 'peace' and therefore completely misinterpreted your post.
You’d think that the IDF have strong evidence . Would Biden turn up with the knowledge that the IDF was responsible . They must surely have guaranteed to Biden that he wouldn’t be humiliated in meeting Netanyahu . Am I being too logical here !
Given Biden’s visit tomorrow it would be insane for the IDF to target a hospital .
Someone mentioned Occams Razor earlier and I think that’s apt for this .
A malfunction by either the IDF or rocket fired from Gaza seems the most likely or less likely a desperate false flag operation .
The truth can be grimmer than we are aware of. Hamas could have been using the hospital as a base for military operations to use it as a human shield, and the Israelis could have then decided to hit it regardless.
Not now they wouldn't. Biden arrives tonight.
Is it possible Biden is so old he doesn't care if he dies? But surely he would follow advice against, to prevent those around him dying.
So they must believe Hamas wouldn't be so stupid, or that they don't have the capability.
I’m much more inclined to believe the Israelis than a bunch of Hamas terrorists.
Believe Oman UAE Saudi Arabia or are they all Hamas terrorists now?
How would they know?
If Hamas had rockets that were this powerful do you not think they would have been used while the IDF were asleep on 7.10.23
Indeed. Apparently the rocket was huge. If Hamas had such rockets you wonder why they've never used them in the past?. It's also odd that if during the last year Israel have been able to target Hamas leaders by sending bombs down their chimneys that they allowed fully functioning bomb factories to exist without even knowing of their existence
"Wow. Masses of protesters surge through the streets of Lebanon, en route to the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, in response to Israel’s bombing of Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital in Gaza"
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Hamas are firing hundreds of missiles daily, a third of which land in Gaza. They don't care that many land in Gaza, as they don't value Gazan lives, if they kill some Israelis its worth it.
All the misfires that land wayward somewhere of no importance, they don't get noticed. One that lands wayward on a hospital, that gets noticed.
Its like if you threw hundreds of darts blindfolded in the vague vicinity of a dartboard. You might get one that hits a bullseye while hundreds go elsewhere. If the reporting then omits all others and just says "nico hits a bullseye while blindfolded" then that's accurate, but what happened was not really strange.
That has to be the default assumption absent some quite compelling evidence. Anyone who says otherwise, without that evidence, is propagandizing
"Awful news: Ahli Anglican Hospital in Gaza City has just been hit by a missile. Thankfully no one injured, but one of the floors in the diagnostic building was partially destroyed. Israel says it doesn’t target civilians or non military institutions, but it keeps on happening."
https://twitter.com/sgcjerusalem/status/1713255097776636178
*Assuming this wasn't a misfire too.
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Because it would be inflammatory.
The only difference is that Israel uses precision guided ammunition while Hamas do not.
Occam's razor says that Hamas did it.
This is not heading for a happy ending. If the Arab street and Turkey get involved this could be calamitous.
It could that some IDF person heartlessly said this off the cuff, but all on the record official statements I have seen say nothing of the sort.
Yes, definitely!
Although I believe hospitals are dangerous places when it comes to explosions anyway, due to the amounts of oxygen in the building? Not sure if that's legit or too much Grey's Anatomy etc.
But that's where Occam's razor comes in. You need quite a sequence of unlikely events to reach the conclusion Hamas are responsible. It is not impossible, but it is a stretch
Whereas on the other side you have the nation that is aerially bombarding Gaza every minute, and now we have some aerial bombardment of Gaza that, it seems, has gone badly wrong
But as I say, I bet this is all largely forgotten in a week or two. We will be looking at greater enormities by then
Do this betting style:
Event 1: Hamas were firing rockets.
Odds? 100%
Event 2: Some Hamas rockets misfired and landed in Gaza.
Odds? 100%
1/3rd of all rockets they fire misfire, they're launching hundreds a day, so 1/3 of hundreds misfired and landed in Gaza.
Event 3: One of the misfired rockets landed on the hospital.
Odds? Unknown
The last one is the only event that's random, all others have P=1
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This is worth a watch
My own bias is showing there, but there's footage from different angles that makes a failed rocket seem likely.
War is hell, and it is innocent civilians that will suffer. What's conclusive is who started this, by butchering people in cold blood. And more and more innocents will die as a result.
Hallelujah! Bartholomew has the answer!
The Spokesman for the Israeli Defense Force, Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari has announced that they have Intelligence which Confirms that the Explosion and subsequent Fire earlier tonight at Al-Ahli Arabi Baptist Hospital in Northern Gaza, which is reported to have Killed over 500 Palestinians, was caused by a Misfired-Rocket launched by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1714396572933316611?s=20
Hamas are hiding munitions everywhere, its what they do. There's form here.
However they don't need to have hit munition storage, as was said there's plenty of other reasons that a hit on a hospital can be extremely deadly. There's oxygen, generators, power, chemicals, crowding, all sorts of reasons without needing munitions as a secondary factor - even if it is a probable one.
The cycle of violence will escalate further.
It was obvious the green lighting of genocide by Sunak SKS would result in a massacre like this
Though I guess the opprobrium you’d get from lying is probably swallowed up by that which you’d get from bombing a hospital.
Now: we don't know for sure. That is true. And we probably never will
But really, what country is dropping huge bombs on Gaza? Israel. This is a huge bomb which just dropped on Gaza
It was a rural location on an estate in the middle of nowhere, but still, it definitely looked illegal to me.
Even if I was seeing it wrong and he was really at 501ft it was still pretty rude.
I can see why someone might get annoyed by it but I can't say 'Hamas' was my first thought...
Erfogan’s son being involved was interesting but I still think these priests are nothing.
Civil defence minister Carl-Oskar Bohlin said the cable was damaged but not completely destroyed.
The cable is believed to have been affected at the same time as a gas pipeline connecting Finland and Estonia was damaged earlier this month."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67138269
Time for bed methinks
Nothing.
I personally believe they are capable of anything to achieve that.
BIG letters on Al Jazeera's TV channel (Freeview 235) right now.
Mistake?
Someone mentioned Occams Razor earlier and I think that’s apt for this .
A malfunction by either the IDF or rocket fired from Gaza seems the most likely or less likely a desperate false flag operation .
And Hamas and its ilk are firing rockets at Gaza (as in firing at Israel while knowing full well that a third will hit Gaza instead).
https://x.com/emmanuelmacron/status/1714400309210988792
This is why Israel is walking into a trap. Driven, understandably by raw pain and anger, they will invade with 10,000s of Israel reservists and walk into a house by house blood bath.
Just as ISIS was destroyed, just as the Tamil Tigers were destroyed.
Some here seem to be under a myth that you can't destroy terror groups. You can, and Israel should.
It would have blown Iran's play and wrong footed Hamas.
I get your username!
*If they did, it wouldn't stop me calling it Turkey, but it would be interesting.
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You really need the Palestinians to turn against Hamas and for new leadership in Gaza and at the same the removal of Netanyahu and his rancid racist cabinet.
So they must believe Hamas wouldn't be so stupid, or that they don't have the capability.
"Wow. Masses of protesters surge through the streets of Lebanon, en route to the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, in response to Israel’s bombing of Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital in Gaza"
https://x.com/sahouraxo/status/1714403691644547464?s=20