Al Jazeera channel provides evidence that Israel is not responsible for the attack on the hospital.
You know, I am beginning to wonder if these Hamas chaps are entirely trustworthy.
The UK media seem to be getting cautious, after a start in which this was all obviously Israel. Sky, BBC, Guardian, Reuters, FT all playing it down the middle. The firmness of some (not all) official denials by Israel is interesting.
And, yes, the 'good chaps' theory of government is finding the middle east a hard testing ground.
I can hear the bbc sub editor now. “Israeli terrorists blame Palestinian freedom fighters for brutal destruction of hospital”.
Is England the only country left on earth where its people lustily sing in praise of their monarch?
You know Charles III is really really Woke?
He's not where it counts: architecture
I want him to personally approve every single housing development in the UK. Let a thousand Poundburys live, let new Nansledans rule the nation, fuck the Marxist modernist architects and the evil redbrick Barratt home wankers
Tradition. We used to be great at building towns and cities in this country. The key is Tradition. That is King Charles
We do have someone with a paramotor who buzzes about on calm days from a field about 5 miles NE of Doncaster. He buzzed me at no more than 300ft (below max drone height) about a week ago. Wasn't terribly impressed.
Then he was breaking the law. Unless landing, no aircraft (including a paramotor) may be within 500' in a direct line of any person, vehicle, or structure. He could legally be at 300', but only if the total distance between him and you (or any other person) was under 500'
Is England the only country left on earth where its people lustily sing in praise of their monarch?
The only big ears I'll sing in praise of is the European Cup/Champions League trophy.
I'm warming to King Chuck the Third
With a world in turmoil, a comforting old monarch, and a cosy old monarchy, is rather reassuring. The constitutional equivalent of a hearth fire, a snoozing old dog, and a lovely pint of IPA
And as luck would have it I know just the place, not a million miles from you, where the bar is exactly as you describe.
Good grief, PB.com seems to be ahead of the curve (as always) and figured out what happened with the Gaza Hospital. Thought I'd check the BBC and this reporting they've got live as their "summary" is shockingly bad.
Hundreds of people have been killed in an Israeli strike on a hospital in Gaza City ...
That's a shockingly bad way to report what's happened in the summary. A lot of people read the first sentence then take from there, the Beeb's reporting is going to be taken as that is what happened by a lot of people. 🤦♂️
(Sherman has not always been a fan of Bush in the past.)
Bush surely isn’t MAGA enough for the nutters though.
There’s more chance they’ll make Trump speaker
For one thing, I trust Bush to do the right thing on Ukraine and consequences be damned. He might even… and whisper this quietly…. speak to his opponents like Biden. So no way it’s him.
God how far the Republicans have fallen for us to think of GW as the adult in the room.
Is England the only country left on earth where its people lustily sing in praise of their monarch?
The only big ears I'll sing in praise of is the European Cup/Champions League trophy.
I'm warming to King Chuck the Third
With a world in turmoil, a comforting old monarch, and a cosy old monarchy, is rather reassuring. The constitutional equivalent of a hearth fire, a snoozing old dog, and a lovely pint of IPA
And as luck would have it I know just the place, not a million miles from you, where the bar is exactly as you describe.
Is that the one with the private skating rink at the back? Love that place
Good grief, PB.com seems to be ahead of the curve (as always) and figured out what happened with the Gaza Hospital. Thought I'd check the BBC and this reporting they've got live as their "summary" is shockingly bad.
Hundreds of people have been killed in an Israeli strike on a hospital in Gaza City ...
That's a shockingly bad way to report what's happened in the summary. A lot of people read the first sentence then take from there, the Beeb's reporting is going to be taken as that is what happened by a lot of people. 🤦♂️
And to think they spent the last week saying well we can't call terrorists terrorists, we never do, oh well we do, but not this time, because we have to be super careful, balance, impartiality, not rushing to judgement, only factual statements...
Good grief, PB.com seems to be ahead of the curve (as always) and figured out what happened with the Gaza Hospital. Thought I'd check the BBC and this reporting they've got live as their "summary" is shockingly bad.
Hundreds of people have been killed in an Israeli strike on a hospital in Gaza City ...
That's a shockingly bad way to report what's happened in the summary. A lot of people read the first sentence then take from there, the Beeb's reporting is going to be taken as that is what happened by a lot of people. 🤦♂️
Just checked. It currently says:
Hundreds of people are feared dead after a huge blast at a hospital in Gaza City
Hamas have blamed an Israeli air strike for causing the explosion at the Al Ahli hospital
Israel denied its military was involved and said the blast was caused by rockets fired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad. The militants have also denied blame
Is England the only country left on earth where its people lustily sing in praise of their monarch?
Liechtenstein’s definitely references the monarchy - funnily enough, it is to exactly the same melody.
It's only a principality, not the real deal.
The lusty singing in praise of the monarch is for three reasons: No-one is ever made to or expected to; the English do irony when most Johnny Foreigners don't know what it is; short and simple words and tune, more or less without any meaning at all.
Arguably the best player in the world right now. Has the potential to raise a good, if not great, England squad to a different level.
I am already ready to call it that Messi Vs Ronaldo has been replaced by Bellingham Vs Mbappe
I reckon if Haaland played for a football superpower rather than Norway then discussion would be different.
He's a very good finisher who plays for one of the best club teams of all time. But I think his game is much more limited than either Bellingham's or Mbappe's.
So look at his record when not playing for an elite team. 27 goals for Norway in 28 appearances is well ahead of Kane 59 in 86, Ronaldo 127 in 203, Mbappe 42 in 72 or Messi 104 in 177. And for Red Bull Salzburg scored in his first five Champions League games (including Liverpool and Napoli away) as a teenager.
He is extremely effective in average and underdog teams, just as he is in a top team.
But he needs the service. He was utterly ineffective at Arsenal last week and wasn’t the key to their success at the end of last season. The greats like Messi and Henry also provide service to others.
That is his role at City, its a Guardiola tactical choice not a player limitation. How much service do you think he got playing for Salzburg in the Champions League against the big clubs?
He bagged a hat trick against Genk and scored goals against Liverpool and Napoli, neither of which got past the last 16 that season.
Another way of looking at it, he is Salzburgs all time top scorer in the Champions League with 8 goals. He only started 4 games for them and was sub in 2, all as a teenager, when not fully fit hence the sub starts.
Good grief, PB.com seems to be ahead of the curve (as always) and figured out what happened with the Gaza Hospital. Thought I'd check the BBC and this reporting they've got live as their "summary" is shockingly bad.
Hundreds of people have been killed in an Israeli strike on a hospital in Gaza City ...
That's a shockingly bad way to report what's happened in the summary. A lot of people read the first sentence then take from there, the Beeb's reporting is going to be taken as that is what happened by a lot of people. 🤦♂️
I don't know if it is their general style, but there is generally a problem with 'X thing happened - says Y' style headlines or summaries for me.
I mean, it's not that I don't think people are going to be unable to get to the end of the sentence, most peopel should be able to manage it, it just seems like a weird order. And when in a headline it can be downright confusing, as sometimes they just have 'X happened' in quotations,and you have to click to find out who said it.
Good grief, PB.com seems to be ahead of the curve (as always) and figured out what happened with the Gaza Hospital. Thought I'd check the BBC and this reporting they've got live as their "summary" is shockingly bad.
Hundreds of people have been killed in an Israeli strike on a hospital in Gaza City ...
That's a shockingly bad way to report what's happened in the summary. A lot of people read the first sentence then take from there, the Beeb's reporting is going to be taken as that is what happened by a lot of people. 🤦♂️
Just checked. It currently says:
Hundreds of people are feared dead after a huge blast at a hospital in Gaza City
Hamas have blamed an Israeli air strike for causing the explosion at the Al Ahli hospital
Israel denied its military was involved and said the blast was caused by rockets fired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad. The militants have also denied blame
They've not long updated it then, I just took the screenshot on the page I had not long opened and that's what it said.
Glad its been updated, but disgraceful it was phrased that way in the first place.
And that West Bank story is about demonstrations against Fatah's response to events in Gaza. I wonder what those peace-loving Palestinian civilians are demonstrating against.
Good grief, PB.com seems to be ahead of the curve (as always) and figured out what happened with the Gaza Hospital. Thought I'd check the BBC and this reporting they've got live as their "summary" is shockingly bad.
Hundreds of people have been killed in an Israeli strike on a hospital in Gaza City ...
That's a shockingly bad way to report what's happened in the summary. A lot of people read the first sentence then take from there, the Beeb's reporting is going to be taken as that is what happened by a lot of people. 🤦♂️
The BBC is having a bad war. In fact, the BBC are just having a bad time of it generally at the moment. It is of their own making though so I have limited sympathy, just depressing to see its standards continue to plummet.
Jeez how many terrorist groups are there . Never heard of Palestinian Islamic Jihad before .
18-19 identified groups militia/terrorist groups between Gaza, Lebanon, the Golan and West Bank. Some are distinct, others just names of associated units with larger groups.
Good grief, PB.com seems to be ahead of the curve (as always) and figured out what happened with the Gaza Hospital. Thought I'd check the BBC and this reporting they've got live as their "summary" is shockingly bad.
Hundreds of people have been killed in an Israeli strike on a hospital in Gaza City ...
That's a shockingly bad way to report what's happened in the summary. A lot of people read the first sentence then take from there, the Beeb's reporting is going to be taken as that is what happened by a lot of people. 🤦♂️
Just checked. It currently says:
Hundreds of people are feared dead after a huge blast at a hospital in Gaza City
Hamas have blamed an Israeli air strike for causing the explosion at the Al Ahli hospital
Israel denied its military was involved and said the blast was caused by rockets fired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad. The militants have also denied blame
Be fair to them. It happened after 5pm and the grown ups had probably already gone home, no reason to expect anything but a quiet night of news.
Been watching the footie. Do we have a PB consensus on the Gaza Hospital strike, IDF or Hamas?
Score draw at the moment but only 10 minutes played. BBC blew for full time after two minutes with Israel in the dock and is rowing back furiously ever since.
Good grief, PB.com seems to be ahead of the curve (as always) and figured out what happened with the Gaza Hospital. Thought I'd check the BBC and this reporting they've got live as their "summary" is shockingly bad.
Hundreds of people have been killed in an Israeli strike on a hospital in Gaza City ...
That's a shockingly bad way to report what's happened in the summary. A lot of people read the first sentence then take from there, the Beeb's reporting is going to be taken as that is what happened by a lot of people. 🤦♂️
I don't know if it is their general style, but there is generally a problem with 'X thing happened - says Y' style headlines or summaries for me.
I mean, it's not that I don't think people are going to be unable to get to the end of the sentence, most peopel should be able to manage it, it just seems like a weird order. And when in a headline it can be downright confusing, as sometimes they just have 'X happened' in quotations,and you have to click to find out who said it.
Totally agree. I hate it. The form is usually:
“Biggles is a massive ####: Kle4”.
It may or may not be true, but the clearer headline would be:
There can on less serious matters be some amusement to be had in seeing media outlets shift tone or phrasing on a story. You'd think after a while the first responding headline and summary writers would get a sense for what their bosses expect to see, yet either they don't or they like to test their bosses reaction times.
One that I recall was about an Osborne budget, which went from 'Osborne wields spending cuts axe' to something more like 'Chancellor announces spending cuts'. Subtle different, but significant.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been quoted by the Reuters news agency as saying "barbaric terrorists" are responsible for the blast at the hospital in Gaza.
...while...
Ismail Haniyeh, who is widely considered to be Hamas’s overall leader, says that the US is responsible for the attack on Al Ahli hospital – stressing that Washington gave Israel the “cover for its aggression”.
I am unconvinced that Hamas or "Islamic Jihad" are responsible here
Occam's razor says Nah. Israel is the country that is bombarding Gaza with a mighty air force every few minutes. Now a Gazan hospital gets smashed by an apparent aerial bombardment? Er, surely that is Israel?
I'm not ruling out a false flag or some jihadi accident but the onus is on Israel to prove they didn't do do it
It's like finding a plague caused by a nasty, new, bat-derived coronavirus started in the one city in the world with a lab dedicated to making new, nastier, bat-derived coronaviruses that might cause plagues. It is REALLY up to the lab to disprove its culpability
Been watching the footie. Do we have a PB consensus on the Gaza Hospital strike, IDF or Hamas?
Hamas failed launch.
What I wonder is if the Hamas rockets struck munition stored in the hospital which caused secondary explosions and made it much more deadly than it could have been?
The Beeb is having a shocker. Another headline says "In the Occupied West Bank the ruling Palestinian Authority.. "
I think that journalism has always been a bit crap, but it got away with it in the past because the only report available was that from the foreign correspondent. If they got it wrong nobody had anything to compare it with to spot any mistakes, or bias, or omissions.
Nowadays there is a barrage of information from the moment something happens, and whilst a lot of it will be misleading there are nuggets amongst the rubbish. You get real expert opinion at times, not just a journalist's poor reporting, and you get to see many more sources, even if they are amateur, to view an event from all sorts of points of view. What this shows is that initial reporting of anything is rarely very good, and all too often journalists do not correct the record when they are wrong.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been quoted by the Reuters news agency as saying "barbaric terrorists" are responsible for the blast at the hospital in Gaza.
...while...
Ismail Haniyeh, who is widely considered to be Hamas’s overall leader, says that the US is responsible for the attack on Al Ahli hospital – stressing that Washington gave Israel the “cover for its aggression”.
There’s a lot of Mandy Rice-Davies Applies with the quotes on this story, I’m afraid to say.
I am unconvinced that Hamas or "Islamic Jihad" are responsible here
Occam's razor says Nah. Israel is the country that is bombarding Gaza with a mighty air force every few minutes. Now a Gazan hospital gets smashed by an apparent aerial bombardment? Er, surely that is Israel?
I'm not ruling out a false flag or some jihadi accident but the onus is on Israel to prove they didn't do do it
It's like finding a plague caused by a nasty, new, bat-derived coronavirus started in the one city in the world with a lab dedicated to making new, nastier, bat-derived coronaviruses that might cause plagues. It is REALLY up to the lab to disprove its culpability
Not sure it matters what really happened. Israelis will believe it was the Palestinians, Palestinians will believe it was the Israelis, and the "impartial" are largely without influence.
The Beeb is having a shocker. Another headline says "In the Occupied West Bank the ruling Palestinian Authority.. "
I think that journalism has always been a bit crap, but it got away with it in the past because the only report available was that from the foreign correspondent. If they got it wrong nobody had anything to compare it with to spot any mistakes, or bias, or ommissions.
Nowadays there is a barrage of information from the moment something happens, and whilst a lot of it will be misleading there are nuggets amongst the rubbish. You get real expert opinion at times, not just a journalist's poor reporting, and you get to see many more sources, even if they are amateur, to view an event from all sorts of points of view. What this shows is that initial reporting of anything is rarely very good, and all too often journalists do not correct the record when they are wrong.
Also there was always a delay, often significant, days, to report on an event. Now with 24hr news cycle and tw@tter, too often they just publish what they read on from somebody supposedly reliable on the tw@tter machine, and then others who trust them, rinse and repeat.
Already seen it with the claim IDF said well we did say to evacuate.... That was originally from Al-Jazeera saying somebody told them the IDF said that, which quickly got re-tw@ttered as IDF said that.
I am unconvinced that Hamas or "Islamic Jihad" are responsible here
Occam's razor says Nah. Israel is the country that is bombarding Gaza with a mighty air force every few minutes. Now a Gazan hospital gets smashed by an apparent aerial bombardment? Er, surely that is Israel?
I'm not ruling out a false flag or some jihadi accident but the onus is on Israel to prove they didn't do do it
It's like finding a plague caused by a nasty, new, bat-derived coronavirus started in the one city in the world with a lab dedicated to making new, nastier, bat-derived coronaviruses that might cause plagues. It is REALLY up to the lab to disprove its culpability
Occam's razor says Hamas.
Hamas are firing rockets. Hamas rockets unlike Israel's are not precise and miss their target. A third of Hamas's launches land in Gaza, not Israel.
Who is going to accidentally hit a hospital? Occam's razor says Hamas - they fired rockets over the hospital, and a wayward one hit by mistake.
Oh and Al Jazeera had footage of the rockets being launched by Hamas, at a time that matches the explosion.
Is England the only country left on earth where its people lustily sing in praise of their monarch?
Liechtenstein’s definitely references the monarchy - funnily enough, it is to exactly the same melody.
It's only a principality, not the real deal.
The lusty singing in praise of the monarch is for three reasons: No-one is ever made to or expected to; the English do irony when most Johnny Foreigners don't know what it is; short and simple words and tune, more or less without any meaning at all.
It's not exactly a banger of a track, but it's easy to remember, and sing in a crowd very clearly, and that's all that's needed.
I'd still rather listen to Italy's of course. The Soviets knew how to rock a good dirge too.
I am unconvinced that Hamas or "Islamic Jihad" are responsible here
Occam's razor says Nah. Israel is the country that is bombarding Gaza with a mighty air force every few minutes. Now a Gazan hospital gets smashed by an apparent aerial bombardment? Er, surely that is Israel?
I'm not ruling out a false flag or some jihadi accident but the onus is on Israel to prove they didn't do do it
It's like finding a plague caused by a nasty, new, bat-derived coronavirus started in the one city in the world with a lab dedicated to making new, nastier, bat-derived coronaviruses that might cause plagues. It is REALLY up to the lab to disprove its culpability
Not sure it matters what really happened. Israelis will believe it was the Palestinians, Palestinians will believe it was the Israelis, and the "impartial" are largely without influence.
And a bunch others will go 'It's impossible to know, so give peace a chance', whilst winking at one option more than the other.
I am unconvinced that Hamas or "Islamic Jihad" are responsible here
Occam's razor says Nah. Israel is the country that is bombarding Gaza with a mighty air force every few minutes. Now a Gazan hospital gets smashed by an apparent aerial bombardment? Er, surely that is Israel?
I'm not ruling out a false flag or some jihadi accident but the onus is on Israel to prove they didn't do do it
It's like finding a plague caused by a nasty, new, bat-derived coronavirus started in the one city in the world with a lab dedicated to making new, nastier, bat-derived coronaviruses that might cause plagues. It is REALLY up to the lab to disprove its culpability
People who killed 1,500+ - many of them tortured - are very likely to go for a false flag if it gets people wondering if it was the Israelis that blew up a hospital.
Is England the only country left on earth where its people lustily sing in praise of their monarch?
Liechtenstein’s definitely references the monarchy - funnily enough, it is to exactly the same melody.
It's only a principality, not the real deal.
The lusty singing in praise of the monarch is for three reasons: No-one is ever made to or expected to; the English do irony when most Johnny Foreigners don't know what it is; short and simple words and tune, more or less without any meaning at all.
It's not exactly a banger of a track, but it's easy to remember, and sing in a crowd very clearly, and that's all that's needed.
I'd still rather listen to Italy's of course. The Soviets knew how to rock a good dirge too.
Italy’s must be the happiest. Reminds me of Schumacher F1 victories in his Ferrari as a kid.
Is England the only country left on earth where its people lustily sing in praise of their monarch?
You know Charles III is really really Woke?
He's not where it counts: architecture
I want him to personally approve every single housing development in the UK. Let a thousand Poundburys live, let new Nansledans rule the nation, fuck the Marxist modernist architects and the evil redbrick Barratt home wankers
Tradition. We used to be great at building towns and cities in this country. The key is Tradition. That is King Charles
It would also distract him from pontificating wokely on other matters.
Surveillance camera footage from Netiv Haasara shows a large barrage of rockets being launched from northern Gaza, followed by a massive blast in the Strip, apparently caused by a failed projectile."
I am unconvinced that Hamas or "Islamic Jihad" are responsible here
Occam's razor says Nah. Israel is the country that is bombarding Gaza with a mighty air force every few minutes. Now a Gazan hospital gets smashed by an apparent aerial bombardment? Er, surely that is Israel?
I'm not ruling out a false flag or some jihadi accident but the onus is on Israel to prove they didn't do do it
It's like finding a plague caused by a nasty, new, bat-derived coronavirus started in the one city in the world with a lab dedicated to making new, nastier, bat-derived coronaviruses that might cause plagues. It is REALLY up to the lab to disprove its culpability
That’s not a good comparison at all. Because in this case there’s more than one party doing gain of function in the same city.
Is England the only country left on earth where its people lustily sing in praise of their monarch?
Liechtenstein’s definitely references the monarchy - funnily enough, it is to exactly the same melody.
It's only a principality, not the real deal.
The lusty singing in praise of the monarch is for three reasons: No-one is ever made to or expected to; the English do irony when most Johnny Foreigners don't know what it is; short and simple words and tune, more or less without any meaning at all.
It's not exactly a banger of a track, but it's easy to remember, and sing in a crowd very clearly, and that's all that's needed.
I'd still rather listen to Italy's of course. The Soviets knew how to rock a good dirge too.
Italy’s must be the happiest. Reminds me of Schumacher F1 victories in his Ferrari as a kid.
Impressive that he won victories for Ferrari as a kid.
Is England the only country left on earth where its people lustily sing in praise of their monarch?
Liechtenstein’s definitely references the monarchy - funnily enough, it is to exactly the same melody.
It's only a principality, not the real deal.
The lusty singing in praise of the monarch is for three reasons: No-one is ever made to or expected to; the English do irony when most Johnny Foreigners don't know what it is; short and simple words and tune, more or less without any meaning at all.
It's not exactly a banger of a track, but it's easy to remember, and sing in a crowd very clearly, and that's all that's needed.
I'd still rather listen to Italy's of course. The Soviets knew how to rock a good dirge too.
Italy’s must be the happiest. Reminds me of Schumacher F1 victories in his Ferrari as a kid.
Impressive that he won victories for Ferrari as a kid.
I can save this one.
He did it first in his 20s, so I now think of him doing it as a kid. Clearly that’s what I meant.
I am unconvinced that Hamas or "Islamic Jihad" are responsible here
Occam's razor says Nah. Israel is the country that is bombarding Gaza with a mighty air force every few minutes. Now a Gazan hospital gets smashed by an apparent aerial bombardment? Er, surely that is Israel?
I'm not ruling out a false flag or some jihadi accident but the onus is on Israel to prove they didn't do do it
It's like finding a plague caused by a nasty, new, bat-derived coronavirus started in the one city in the world with a lab dedicated to making new, nastier, bat-derived coronaviruses that might cause plagues. It is REALLY up to the lab to disprove its culpability
That’s not a good comparison at all. Because in this case there’s more than one party doing gain of function in the same city.
I agree. But I was trying to come up with an analogy that was interesting but not sickening. It is very hard in this instance, the war is so bestial
I am unconvinced that Hamas or "Islamic Jihad" are responsible here
Occam's razor says Nah. Israel is the country that is bombarding Gaza with a mighty air force every few minutes. Now a Gazan hospital gets smashed by an apparent aerial bombardment? Er, surely that is Israel?
I'm not ruling out a false flag or some jihadi accident but the onus is on Israel to prove they didn't do do it
It's like finding a plague caused by a nasty, new, bat-derived coronavirus started in the one city in the world with a lab dedicated to making new, nastier, bat-derived coronaviruses that might cause plagues. It is REALLY up to the lab to disprove its culpability
People who killed 1,500+ - many of them tortured - are very likely to go for a false flag if it gets people wondering if it was the Israelis that blew up a hospital.
Official Israel SoS X account has removed the video they originally posted to show it was a Hamas rocket after someone noted the timestamp didn't match up to the timeline.
Is England the only country left on earth where its people lustily sing in praise of their monarch?
Liechtenstein’s definitely references the monarchy - funnily enough, it is to exactly the same melody.
It's only a principality, not the real deal.
The lusty singing in praise of the monarch is for three reasons: No-one is ever made to or expected to; the English do irony when most Johnny Foreigners don't know what it is; short and simple words and tune, more or less without any meaning at all.
It's not exactly a banger of a track, but it's easy to remember, and sing in a crowd very clearly, and that's all that's needed.
I'd still rather listen to Italy's of course. The Soviets knew how to rock a good dirge too.
Italy’s must be the happiest. Reminds me of Schumacher F1 victories in his Ferrari as a kid.
I remember him doing a little hand conducting for the pit crew (I think he may have been told to stop for some reason), fun times.
Official Israel SoS X account has removed the video they originally posted to show it was a Hamas rocket after someone noted the timestamp didn't match up to the timeline.
Does anyone actually know when the hospital was hit?
"The Israeli bombing of the hospital has already triggered widespread condemnation in the international community."
That’s a strange name for a ministry.
"An Israeli air strike has hit al-Ahli hospital in Gaza City where thousands of civilians are seeking medical treatment and shelter from relentless attacks."
I am unconvinced that Hamas or "Islamic Jihad" are responsible here
Occam's razor says Nah. Israel is the country that is bombarding Gaza with a mighty air force every few minutes. Now a Gazan hospital gets smashed by an apparent aerial bombardment? Er, surely that is Israel?
I'm not ruling out a false flag or some jihadi accident but the onus is on Israel to prove they didn't do do it
It's like finding a plague caused by a nasty, new, bat-derived coronavirus started in the one city in the world with a lab dedicated to making new, nastier, bat-derived coronaviruses that might cause plagues. It is REALLY up to the lab to disprove its culpability
People who killed 1,500+ - many of them tortured - are very likely to go for a false flag if it gets people wondering if it was the Israelis that blew up a hospital.
I am unconvinced that Hamas or "Islamic Jihad" are responsible here
Occam's razor says Nah. Israel is the country that is bombarding Gaza with a mighty air force every few minutes. Now a Gazan hospital gets smashed by an apparent aerial bombardment? Er, surely that is Israel?
I'm not ruling out a false flag or some jihadi accident but the onus is on Israel to prove they didn't do do it
It's like finding a plague caused by a nasty, new, bat-derived coronavirus started in the one city in the world with a lab dedicated to making new, nastier, bat-derived coronaviruses that might cause plagues. It is REALLY up to the lab to disprove its culpability
That’s not a good comparison at all. Because in this case there’s more than one party doing gain of function in the same city.
I agree. But I was trying to come up with an analogy that was interesting but not sickening. It is very hard in this instance, the war is so bestial
I know it’s hard but I’d recommend not consuming too much of the detail. It only serves to dehumanise.
"The Israeli bombing of the hospital has already triggered widespread condemnation in the international community."
That’s a strange name for a ministry.
"An Israeli air strike has hit al-Ahli hospital in Gaza City where thousands of civilians are seeking medical treatment and shelter from relentless attacks."
IDF formally blame it on Islamic Jihad. I wonder what Sleepy Joe will say tomorrow
President Biden will say Israel has moved on from blaming everything on Hamas. Except for the actual saying that out loud part.
Does America have new toys it wants to test? It’s been a while since the militaryindustrial establishment got to road test their new stuff. Ukraine is largely getting the dregs from the Vietnam war era. Once a decade is my usual metronome for them to do so.
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
I am unconvinced that Hamas or "Islamic Jihad" are responsible here
Occam's razor says Nah. Israel is the country that is bombarding Gaza with a mighty air force every few minutes. Now a Gazan hospital gets smashed by an apparent aerial bombardment? Er, surely that is Israel?
I'm not ruling out a false flag or some jihadi accident but the onus is on Israel to prove they didn't do do it
It's like finding a plague caused by a nasty, new, bat-derived coronavirus started in the one city in the world with a lab dedicated to making new, nastier, bat-derived coronaviruses that might cause plagues. It is REALLY up to the lab to disprove its culpability
People who killed 1,500+ - many of them tortured - are very likely to go for a false flag if it gets people wondering if it was the Israelis that blew up a hospital.
I am unconvinced that Hamas or "Islamic Jihad" are responsible here
Occam's razor says Nah. Israel is the country that is bombarding Gaza with a mighty air force every few minutes. Now a Gazan hospital gets smashed by an apparent aerial bombardment? Er, surely that is Israel?
I'm not ruling out a false flag or some jihadi accident but the onus is on Israel to prove they didn't do do it
It's like finding a plague caused by a nasty, new, bat-derived coronavirus started in the one city in the world with a lab dedicated to making new, nastier, bat-derived coronaviruses that might cause plagues. It is REALLY up to the lab to disprove its culpability
That’s not a good comparison at all. Because in this case there’s more than one party doing gain of function in the same city.
I agree. But I was trying to come up with an analogy that was interesting but not sickening. It is very hard in this instance, the war is so bestial
I know it’s hard but I’d recommend not consuming too much of the detail. It only serves to dehumanise.
I've been actively avoiding it today, and feel better as a result
West Bank rioting as a response to the hospital tragedy, trigger quick to blame the IDF. BBC news inclined to go along with this: "devasting strike", "attack" etc. We'll see when the dust settles, but it'll be too late to undo the reactions
Official Israel SoS X account has removed the video they originally posted to show it was a Hamas rocket after someone noted the timestamp didn't match up to the timeline.
I'm keeping an open mind for now and I'm wary of fake news, but if it's true that they gave a warning to evacuate the hospital, and the rocket story isn't so far standing up, then it's starting to look like Israel being responsible. There ought to be conclusive satellite evidence, though?
I just can’t believe Israel would target this hospital knowing the ramifications. So either there was a malfunction or this was a malfunction from rockets fired from Gaza .
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
Its worth noting that 30% of rockets fired from Hamas fail to get out of Gaza, and at the moment they are firing them morning, noon and night. They are hitting their own side every day.
And on the other side, the guided missiles do go wrong. It could be there was a target close by (which Hamas are well known for).
Official Israel SoS X account has removed the video they originally posted to show it was a Hamas rocket after someone noted the timestamp didn't match up to the timeline.
Yes, it's bollocks
Israel did this, I fear. We need really solid proof they didn't, because they are the ones bombing Gaza relentlessly and this looks like yet another bomb on Gaza. It is that simple
The Beeb is having a shocker. Another headline says "In the Occupied West Bank the ruling Palestinian Authority.. "
I think that journalism has always been a bit crap, but it got away with it in the past because the only report available was that from the foreign correspondent. If they got it wrong nobody had anything to compare it with to spot any mistakes, or bias, or ommissions.
Nowadays there is a barrage of information from the moment something happens, and whilst a lot of it will be misleading there are nuggets amongst the rubbish. You get real expert opinion at times, not just a journalist's poor reporting, and you get to see many more sources, even if they are amateur, to view an event from all sorts of points of view. What this shows is that initial reporting of anything is rarely very good, and all too often journalists do not correct the record when they are wrong.
Also there was always a delay, often significant, days, to report on an event. Now with 24hr news cycle and tw@tter, too often they just publish what they read on from somebody supposedly reliable on the tw@tter machine, and then others who trust them, rinse and repeat.
Already seen it with the claim IDF said well we did say to evacuate.... That was originally from Al-Jazeera saying somebody told them the IDF said that, which quickly got re-tw@ttered as IDF said that.
Official Israel SoS X account has removed the video they originally posted to show it was a Hamas rocket after someone noted the timestamp didn't match up to the timeline.
Yes, it's bollocks
Israel did this, I fear. We need really solid proof they didn't, because they are the ones bombing Gaza relentlessly and this looks like yet another bomb on Gaza. It is that simple
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I want him to personally approve every single housing development in the UK. Let a thousand Poundburys live, let new Nansledans rule the nation, fuck the Marxist modernist architects and the evil redbrick Barratt home wankers
Tradition. We used to be great at building towns and cities in this country. The key is Tradition. That is King Charles
REG: Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the fucking Judean People's Front.
P.F.J.: Yeah...
JUDITH: Splitters.
P.F.J.: Splitters...
FRANCIS: And the Judean Popular People's Front.
P.F.J.: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
LORETTA: And the People's Front of Judea.
P.F.J.: Yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
REG: What?
LORETTA: The People's Front of Judea. Splitters.
REG: We're the People's Front of Judea!
LORETTA: Oh. I thought we were the Popular Front.
REG: People's Front! C-huh.
FRANCIS: Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg?
REG: He's over there.
P.F.J.: Splitter!
Unless landing, no aircraft (including a paramotor) may be within 500' in a direct line of any person, vehicle, or structure. He could legally be at 300', but only if the total distance between him and you (or any other person) was under 500'
Hundreds of people have been killed in an Israeli strike on a hospital in Gaza City ...
That's a shockingly bad way to report what's happened in the summary. A lot of people read the first sentence then take from there, the Beeb's reporting is going to be taken as that is what happened by a lot of people. 🤦♂️
God how far the Republicans have fallen for us to think of GW as the adult in the room.
Hundreds of people are feared dead after a huge blast at a hospital in Gaza City
Hamas have blamed an Israeli air strike for causing the explosion at the Al Ahli hospital
Israel denied its military was involved and said the blast was caused by rockets fired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad. The militants have also denied blame
The lusty singing in praise of the monarch is for three reasons: No-one is ever made to or expected to; the English do irony when most Johnny Foreigners don't know what it is; short and simple words and tune, more or less without any meaning at all.
https://twitter.com/DerbyChrisW/status/1714363673303556504
I mean, it's not that I don't think people are going to be unable to get to the end of the sentence, most peopel should be able to manage it, it just seems like a weird order. And when in a headline it can be downright confusing, as sometimes they just have 'X happened' in quotations,and you have to click to find out who said it.
Glad its been updated, but disgraceful it was phrased that way in the first place.
New version is much more professional.
I don't see how people who are 'sensible' enough to stick to surface level peaceful messaging continue to think he's a fellow traveller.
“Biggles is a massive ####: Kle4”.
It may or may not be true, but the clearer headline would be:
“Kle4 says Biggles is a massive ####”.
And it uses very few extra pixels.
One that I recall was about an Osborne budget, which went from 'Osborne wields spending cuts axe' to something more like 'Chancellor announces spending cuts'. Subtle different, but significant.
...while...
Ismail Haniyeh, who is widely considered to be Hamas’s overall leader, says that the US is responsible for the attack on Al Ahli hospital – stressing that Washington gave Israel the “cover for its aggression”.
I am unconvinced that Hamas or "Islamic Jihad" are responsible here
Occam's razor says Nah. Israel is the country that is bombarding Gaza with a mighty air force every few minutes. Now a Gazan hospital gets smashed by an apparent aerial bombardment? Er, surely that is Israel?
I'm not ruling out a false flag or some jihadi accident but the onus is on Israel to prove they didn't do do it
It's like finding a plague caused by a nasty, new, bat-derived coronavirus started in the one city in the world with a lab dedicated to making new, nastier, bat-derived coronaviruses that might cause plagues. It is REALLY up to the lab to disprove its culpability
What I wonder is if the Hamas rockets struck munition stored in the hospital which caused secondary explosions and made it much more deadly than it could have been?
Nowadays there is a barrage of information from the moment something happens, and whilst a lot of it will be misleading there are nuggets amongst the rubbish. You get real expert opinion at times, not just a journalist's poor reporting, and you get to see many more sources, even if they are amateur, to view an event from all sorts of points of view. What this shows is that initial reporting of anything is rarely very good, and all too often journalists do not correct the record when they are wrong.
Already seen it with the claim IDF said well we did say to evacuate.... That was originally from Al-Jazeera saying somebody told them the IDF said that, which quickly got re-tw@ttered as IDF said that.
Hamas are firing rockets. Hamas rockets unlike Israel's are not precise and miss their target. A third of Hamas's launches land in Gaza, not Israel.
Who is going to accidentally hit a hospital? Occam's razor says Hamas - they fired rockets over the hospital, and a wayward one hit by mistake.
Oh and Al Jazeera had footage of the rockets being launched by Hamas, at a time that matches the explosion.
I'd still rather listen to Italy's of course. The Soviets knew how to rock a good dirge too.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/16/israel-hamas-war-live-iran-warns-resistance-front-may-attack
I wish I didn't think that, but I do. This is just the beginning
I just hope conclusive evidence comes out and that it is not some massive IDF f*ck up.
@manniefabian
Surveillance camera footage from Netiv Haasara shows a large barrage of rockets being launched from northern Gaza, followed by a massive blast in the Strip, apparently caused by a failed projectile."
https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1714377828131553446
He did it first in his 20s, so I now think of him doing it as a kid. Clearly that’s what I meant.
(Actually that's unfair of me, I have not seen most stand up in a long long time).
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/16/israel-hamas-war-live-iran-warns-resistance-front-may-attack
How many of them were Hamas torturers?
The Ahmedabad crowd’s hostile behaviour and ‘Islamophobic’ chants targeting Pakistan’s cricket team have trigged criticism in India.
https://www.aljazeera.com/sports/2023/10/16/india-pakistan-ahmedabad-crowd-islamophobia-icc-cricket-world-cup
The thing that I do find strange is how a the malfunction just happened to hit of all places a hospital .
So then we could be reaching a horrific conclusion that the hospital was targeted purposely .
I see no motive for Israel to target this hospital , what exactly would they gain .
So it’s either an accident or a false flag by terrorists in Gaza .
The world is too much with us
We'll see when the dust settles, but it'll be too late to undo the reactions
And on the other side, the guided missiles do go wrong. It could be there was a target close by (which Hamas are well known for).
Israel did this, I fear. We need really solid proof they didn't, because they are the ones bombing Gaza relentlessly and this looks like yet another bomb on Gaza. It is that simple
Rioting in Ramallah against the Palestinian Authority, and big protests in Hebron Beirut, Istanbul and Amman. Biden is landing in a hot zone.