The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
I get the sense the West has entirely wearied of this issue. Israel/Palestine. There are sympathies both ways, and for myriad reasons, but now the overwhelming sense is one of enervated despair to the point of nihilism. Why should Swedes in Brussels die because of what happens to a bunch of mad religious nutters in Gaza, Jaffa, the Negev desert and Jerusalem? Why should world peace be held hostage by a few ululating extremists in a tiny sandy corner of the world, for the rest of time?
C'est tout. Let them duke it out, once and for all. If Israel wipes out Gaza, so be it. If the Arabs overrrun Israel, well, they maybe had it coming
ENOUGH. Just get it sorted
You mean it's one set of willy-mutilators versus another?
Charles Lister @Charles_Lister NEW -- 2,000 U.S. Marines are headed to the coast of #Israel as a "rapid response force," as tensions tick up re. #Gaza & region-wide.
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
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I don’t see them doing anything directly . The Israelis have many more military’s assets to draw on and getting the USA involved by directly attacking Israel won’t end well for them or us !
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
I can't imagine the two* carriers in the med are reducing the tension. If they embolden the Israelis to fight it out on three fronts how many are going to die?
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
Hmm. This is no time for self-aggrandizement, but when I said at the beginning that Hamas had 'played a blinder' in the timing and brutality of its assault on Israel I was roundly abused on PB. In what way is this not turning out exactly as the maniacs of Hamas intended?
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
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Netanyahu's got a lot to answer for. If he survives this it will be miracle. He's more responsible for what is happening than anyone. Quite why the Americans have given him their unwavering support is a mystery.
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
I can't imagine the two* carriers in the med are reducing the tension. If they embolden the Israelis to fight it out on three fronts how many are going to die?
*soon
Frankly thats a load of old balls. The Israelis have no want to fight a full on conflict on three fronts, they will do it because they have no choice. In that regard the US presence is designed to help achieve a single front conflict.
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
Netanyahu's got a lot to answer for. If he survives this it will be miracle. He's more responsible for what is happening than anyone. Quite why the Americans have given him their unwavering support is a mystery.
Agree with that. Netanyahu's an absolute liability. But I strongly suspect the US support is all for show, and Biden's already given him the option of the revolver and bottle of whisky.
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
I can't imagine the two* carriers in the med are reducing the tension. If they embolden the Israelis to fight it out on three fronts how many are going to die?
*soon
Frankly thats a load of old balls. The Israelis have no want to fight a full on conflict on three fronts, they will do it because they have no choice. In that regard the US presence is designed to help achieve a single front conflict.
If the ships and marines weren't there surely it would be more pressing for Israel's to avoid war with the groups in Lebanon and Syria. As they are why wouldn't the IDF be wiling to be that little bit more aggressive?
The Americans are distorting the dynamics, and with the language coming from Netanyahu he would be a fool not to take advantage of this.
The 9/11 terrorists attacks allowed to happen due to intelligence failures which subsequently lead to a disastrous invasion of Iraq and the subsequent formation of ISIS .
Israeli intelligence failures allowed terrorist attacks and then because of that a Gaza invasion and possible meltdown in the Middle East .
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
Hmm. This is no time for self-aggrandizement, but when I said at the beginning that Hamas had 'played a blinder' in the timing and brutality of its assault on Israel I was roundly abused on PB. In what way is this not turning out exactly as the maniacs of Hamas intended?
When it comes to the Middle East PB has a blindspot. Bartholomew wants to know why Gaza's Arab neighbours wont take the 2,400,000 Gazans in and let Isreal destroy the place.*
*I should add that's not Bartholomew's only blind spot.
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
I can't imagine the two* carriers in the med are reducing the tension. If they embolden the Israelis to fight it out on three fronts how many are going to die?
*soon
Frankly thats a load of old balls. The Israelis have no want to fight a full on conflict on three fronts, they will do it because they have no choice. In that regard the US presence is designed to help achieve a single front conflict.
If the ships and marines weren't there surely it would be more pressing for Israel's to avoid war with the groups in Lebanon and Syria. As they are why wouldn't the IDF be wiling to be that little bit more aggressive?
The Americans are distorting the dynamics, and with the language coming from Netanyahu he would be a fool not to take advantage of this.
1. Netanyahu isnt running this on his own anymore. He directs nothing alone, he is not the almighty. 2. Military logic is that you do not disperse your forces, there isnt a single person of proper senior military background in the unity government nor in the miltary hierachy that doesnt get that 3. If you pay attention to what the Israelis themselves are saying they dont want to have to launch a full scale assault on three fronts, or even two. There is no appetite for it, thats why pretty much no one of note is suggesting it in the country. They will quite happily sustain the current low level long range shooting match with Hizbollah and the other militias providing it stays that way.
The 9/11 terrorists attacks allowed to happen due to intelligence failures which subsequently lead to a disastrous invasion of Iraq and the subsequent formation of ISIS .
Israeli intelligence failures allowed terrorist attacks and then because of that a Gaza invasion and possible meltdown in the Middle East .
ISIS would probably have emerged in Syria against Assad anyway and have largely been defeated now with Saddam removed from power.
Hamas' goal is the destruction of Israel, the security forces could only ever contain them not destroy them as the IDF will now try and do
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
Netanyahu's got a lot to answer for. If he survives this it will be miracle. He's more responsible for what is happening than anyone. Quite why the Americans have given him their unwavering support is a mystery.
Agree with that. Netanyahu's an absolute liability. But I strongly suspect the US support is all for show, and Biden's already given him the option of the revolver and bottle of whisky.
Biden doesn't have much choice, any US President seen as weak on support for Israel wouldn't survive long
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
Hmm. This is no time for self-aggrandizement, but when I said at the beginning that Hamas had 'played a blinder' in the timing and brutality of its assault on Israel I was roundly abused on PB. In what way is this not turning out exactly as the maniacs of Hamas intended?
When it comes to the Middle East PB has a blindspot. Bartholomew wants to know why Gaza's Arab neighbours wont take the 2,400,000 Gazans in and let Isreal destroy the place.*
*I should add that's not Bartholomew's only blind spot.
I quite like Bart as a poster and I know what he's trying to do: devise grand solutions from 'libertarian' 'first principles'. But it's sixth-form balloon-debate stuff I'm afraid.
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
I can't imagine the two* carriers in the med are reducing the tension. If they embolden the Israelis to fight it out on three fronts how many are going to die?
*soon
Frankly thats a load of old balls. The Israelis have no want to fight a full on conflict on three fronts, they will do it because they have no choice. In that regard the US presence is designed to help achieve a single front conflict.
If the ships and marines weren't there surely it would be more pressing for Israel's to avoid war with the groups in Lebanon and Syria. As they are why wouldn't the IDF be wiling to be that little bit more aggressive?
The Americans are distorting the dynamics, and with the language coming from Netanyahu he would be a fool not to take advantage of this.
1. Netanyahu isnt running this on his own anymore. He directs nothing alone, he is not the almighty. 2. Military logic is that you do not disperse your forces, there isnt a single person of proper senior military background in the unity government nor in the miltary hierachy that doesnt get that 3. If you pay attention to what the Israelis themselves are saying they dont want to have to launch a full scale assault on three fronts, or even two. There is no appetite for it, thats why pretty much no one of note is suggesting it in the country. They will quite happily sustain the current low level long range shooting match with Hizbollah and the other militias providing it stays that way.
I think I understand your points. Although the Israelis are pushing a little. They are striking in Syria and Lebanon. The numbers dying on the northern border are increasing and the rhetoric is scaling with it.
What do you think would happen if Hezbollah got lucky with its anti-ship missiles and removed an American vessel?
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
Hmm. This is no time for self-aggrandizement, but when I said at the beginning that Hamas had 'played a blinder' in the timing and brutality of its assault on Israel I was roundly abused on PB. In what way is this not turning out exactly as the maniacs of Hamas intended?
When it comes to the Middle East PB has a blindspot. Bartholomew wants to know why Gaza's Arab neighbours wont take the 2,400,000 Gazans in and let Isreal destroy the place.*
*I should add that's not Bartholomew's only blind spot.
Israel destroyed the peace? Did you notice who invaded whom last week Roger? I'd say the blind spots aren't just on the side of those supporting the Israelis.
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
Hmm. This is no time for self-aggrandizement, but when I said at the beginning that Hamas had 'played a blinder' in the timing and brutality of its assault on Israel I was roundly abused on PB. In what way is this not turning out exactly as the maniacs of Hamas intended?
Maybe Hamas were seeking martyrdom.
Other than that, I cannot see how they gain from this.
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
I can't imagine the two* carriers in the med are reducing the tension. If they embolden the Israelis to fight it out on three fronts how many are going to die?
*soon
Frankly thats a load of old balls. The Israelis have no want to fight a full on conflict on three fronts, they will do it because they have no choice. In that regard the US presence is designed to help achieve a single front conflict.
If the ships and marines weren't there surely it would be more pressing for Israel's to avoid war with the groups in Lebanon and Syria. As they are why wouldn't the IDF be wiling to be that little bit more aggressive?
The Americans are distorting the dynamics, and with the language coming from Netanyahu he would be a fool not to take advantage of this.
1. Netanyahu isnt running this on his own anymore. He directs nothing alone, he is not the almighty. 2. Military logic is that you do not disperse your forces, there isnt a single person of proper senior military background in the unity government nor in the miltary hierachy that doesnt get that 3. If you pay attention to what the Israelis themselves are saying they dont want to have to launch a full scale assault on three fronts, or even two. There is no appetite for it, thats why pretty much no one of note is suggesting it in the country. They will quite happily sustain the current low level long range shooting match with Hizbollah and the other militias providing it stays that way.
I think I understand your points. Although the Israelis are pushing a little. They are striking in Syria and Lebanon. The numbers dying on the northern border are increasing and the rhetoric is scaling with it.
What do you think would happen if Hezbollah got lucky with its anti-ship missiles and removed an American vessel?
Israel is striking Hizbollah and other militia positions on the border areas as seen on risk or initial fire inbound. Its designed to keep Hizbollah on the back foot just as Hizbollah and other milita actions are currently designed to do the same to the Israelis. None of these lobbing actions are large in scale, yet. The Israelis would prefer no action there and I'm not sure yet how keen a lot of the Hizbollah hierachy are. They remember 2006 all too well so its less likely they are not roaring keen, even if they do decide to push a bigger conflict.
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
Hmm. This is no time for self-aggrandizement, but when I said at the beginning that Hamas had 'played a blinder' in the timing and brutality of its assault on Israel I was roundly abused on PB. In what way is this not turning out exactly as the maniacs of Hamas intended?
When it comes to the Middle East PB has a blindspot. Bartholomew wants to know why Gaza's Arab neighbours wont take the 2,400,000 Gazans in and let Isreal destroy the place.*
*I should add that's not Bartholomew's only blind spot.
Israel destroyed the peace? Did you notice who invaded whom last week Roger? I'd say the blind spots aren't just on the side of those supporting the Israelis.
If you keep a population ieffectively imprisoned for 17 years with no possibility of bettering their circumstances eventually they will feel they have nothing to lose. They are no less human beings than the Israelis. To use an Arab expression 'If you beat a dog for long enough it'll bite you'
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
Netanyahu's got a lot to answer for. If he survives this it will be miracle. He's more responsible for what is happening than anyone. Quite why the Americans have given him their unwavering support is a mystery.
Agree with that. Netanyahu's an absolute liability. But I strongly suspect the US support is all for show, and Biden's already given him the option of the revolver and bottle of whisky.
Biden doesn't have much choice, any US President seen as weak on support for Israel wouldn't survive long
Nonsense. Biden doesn't have to worry about the Book-of-Revelation evangelist nutters: they're wholly the GOP's problem. Anyway, it's what goes on behind the scenes that's important. As we speak, Biden will be instructing Bibi to rein it in.
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
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I don’t see them doing anything directly . The Israelis have many more military’s assets to draw on and getting the USA involved by directly attacking Israel won’t end well for them or us !
The message is less about Iran's immediate intentions, but about Saudi Arabia's, Egypt's and Jordan's.
Iran can say that they are providing weapons and other indirect support. Can those other countries say the same?
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
Netanyahu's got a lot to answer for. If he survives this it will be miracle. He's more responsible for what is happening than anyone. Quite why the Americans have given him their unwavering support is a mystery.
Agree with that. Netanyahu's an absolute liability. But I strongly suspect the US support is all for show, and Biden's already given him the option of the revolver and bottle of whisky.
Biden doesn't have much choice, any US President seen as weak on support for Israel wouldn't survive long
Nonsense. Biden doesn't have to worry about the Book-of-Revelation evangelist nutters: they're wholly the GOP's problem. Anyway, it's what goes on behind the scenes that's important. As we speak, Biden will be instructing Bibi to rein it in.
I don't know about that, but he might be reminding the Israelis that it's easier to invade Gaza then it will be to pull out later, after who knows how many IDF casualties.
Do they have a clear objective and a clear set of steps to achieve that objective?
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
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Hmm. This is no time for self-aggrandizement, but when I said at the beginning that Hamas had 'played a blinder' in the timing and brutality of its assault on Israel I was roundly abused on PB. In what way is this not turning out exactly as the maniacs of Hamas intended?
Maybe Hamas were seeking martyrdom.
Other than that, I cannot see how they gain from this.
i) Retain their position in Gaza as the supreme representative of the Gazan people ii) Unite anti-Israeli forces in the region against Israel iii) Disrupt the Israeli rapprochment with other countries (eg Saudi Arabia)
So far, three for three. The fact that this is killing quite a lot of Gazan people does not matter to Hamas.
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
Hmm. This is no time for self-aggrandizement, but when I said at the beginning that Hamas had 'played a blinder' in the timing and brutality of its assault on Israel I was roundly abused on PB. In what way is this not turning out exactly as the maniacs of Hamas intended?
When it comes to the Middle East PB has a blindspot. Bartholomew wants to know why Gaza's Arab neighbours wont take the 2,400,000 Gazans in and let Isreal destroy the place.*
*I should add that's not Bartholomew's only blind spot.
Israel destroyed the peace? Did you notice who invaded whom last week Roger? I'd say the blind spots aren't just on the side of those supporting the Israelis.
You might like this Bafta winning film called 'The Present' which gives you an idea of the indignities suffered on a daily basis by those living in Gaza. It's a very good short film of about half an hour. It's the first one here
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
Hmm. This is no time for self-aggrandizement, but when I said at the beginning that Hamas had 'played a blinder' in the timing and brutality of its assault on Israel I was roundly abused on PB. In what way is this not turning out exactly as the maniacs of Hamas intended?
When it comes to the Middle East PB has a blindspot. Bartholomew wants to know why Gaza's Arab neighbours wont take the 2,400,000 Gazans in and let Isreal destroy the place.*
*I should add that's not Bartholomew's only blind spot.
Israel destroyed the peace? Did you notice who invaded whom last week Roger? I'd say the blind spots aren't just on the side of those supporting the Israelis.
Certainly a blind spot that misreads place as peace..
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
Hmm. This is no time for self-aggrandizement, but when I said at the beginning that Hamas had 'played a blinder' in the timing and brutality of its assault on Israel I was roundly abused on PB. In what way is this not turning out exactly as the maniacs of Hamas intended?
Maybe Hamas were seeking martyrdom.
Other than that, I cannot see how they gain from this.
i) Retain their position in Gaza as the supreme representative of the Gazan people ii) Unite anti-Israeli forces in the region against Israel iii) Disrupt the Israeli rapprochment with other countries (eg Saudi Arabia)
So far, three for three. The fact that this is killing quite a lot of Gazan people does not matter to Hamas.
You think Gazans are different from you or I and don't mind losing their children or their parents? Some of the people posting on here are really too much.
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
Hmm. This is no time for self-aggrandizement, but when I said at the beginning that Hamas had 'played a blinder' in the timing and brutality of its assault on Israel I was roundly abused on PB. In what way is this not turning out exactly as the maniacs of Hamas intended?
Maybe Hamas were seeking martyrdom.
Other than that, I cannot see how they gain from this.
i) Retain their position in Gaza as the supreme representative of the Gazan people ii) Unite anti-Israeli forces in the region against Israel iii) Disrupt the Israeli rapprochment with other countries (eg Saudi Arabia)
So far, three for three. The fact that this is killing quite a lot of Gazan people does not matter to Hamas.
And Iran's belligerence is no coincidence: Hamas and Iran will have been working hand in glove. So if the US instructs Netanyahu to row back - as I'm sure they will; the US aren't looking for WW3 - then Hamas will claim this as a victory like no other. What a disaster!
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
Hmm. This is no time for self-aggrandizement, but when I said at the beginning that Hamas had 'played a blinder' in the timing and brutality of its assault on Israel I was roundly abused on PB. In what way is this not turning out exactly as the maniacs of Hamas intended?
Maybe Hamas were seeking martyrdom.
Other than that, I cannot see how they gain from this.
i) Retain their position in Gaza as the supreme representative of the Gazan people ii) Unite anti-Israeli forces in the region against Israel iii) Disrupt the Israeli rapprochment with other countries (eg Saudi Arabia)
So far, three for three. The fact that this is killing quite a lot of Gazan people does not matter to Hamas.
As against which it will suffer massive military losses, strengthen support for Israel among Western nations, and after an interval, the Israel-Saudi rapprochement will go ahead.
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
He sounds like those brave warriors against woke: if we do not take a stand against pronouns today, tomorrow the whole of Western civilization will be on the line.
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
Hmm. This is no time for self-aggrandizement, but when I said at the beginning that Hamas had 'played a blinder' in the timing and brutality of its assault on Israel I was roundly abused on PB. In what way is this not turning out exactly as the maniacs of Hamas intended?
Maybe Hamas were seeking martyrdom.
Other than that, I cannot see how they gain from this.
i) Retain their position in Gaza as the supreme representative of the Gazan people ii) Unite anti-Israeli forces in the region against Israel iii) Disrupt the Israeli rapprochment with other countries (eg Saudi Arabia)
So far, three for three. The fact that this is killing quite a lot of Gazan people does not matter to Hamas.
You think Gazans are different from you or I and don't mind losing their children or their parents? Some of the people posting on here are really too much.
I don't see how you conclude that from what I said. Hamas is an entity distinct from the people in Gaza (obviously). I was asked what "they" (Hamas) gained from this. I answered the question. I was not asked about the people of Gaza.
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
He sounds like those brave warriors against woke: if we do not take a stand against pronouns today, tomorrow the whole of Western civilization will be on the line.
If you conjugate this then your children will be next.
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
Hmm. This is no time for self-aggrandizement, but when I said at the beginning that Hamas had 'played a blinder' in the timing and brutality of its assault on Israel I was roundly abused on PB. In what way is this not turning out exactly as the maniacs of Hamas intended?
Maybe Hamas were seeking martyrdom.
Other than that, I cannot see how they gain from this.
i) Retain their position in Gaza as the supreme representative of the Gazan people ii) Unite anti-Israeli forces in the region against Israel iii) Disrupt the Israeli rapprochment with other countries (eg Saudi Arabia)
So far, three for three. The fact that this is killing quite a lot of Gazan people does not matter to Hamas.
As against which it will suffer massive military losses, strengthen support for Israel among Western nations, and after an interval, the Israel-Saudi rapprochement will go ahead.
That is to discuss what will happen to Hamas in the future. But at the moment, Hamas is achieving its strategic goals. Hence @Stark_Dawning's belief that he is correct.
Blinken has reportedly finished his very long meeting with Israeli govt. Assuming he is on a plane shortly, that is possibly your indicator of a larger shooting match about to begin.
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
He sounds like those brave warriors against woke: if we do not take a stand against pronouns today, tomorrow the whole of Western civilization will be on the line.
If you conjugate this then your children will be next.
An insomniac pedant writes... Conjugation refers to inflected verbs, and therefore, in English at least, the pronouns are irrelevant.
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
He sounds like those brave warriors against woke: if we do not take a stand against pronouns today, tomorrow the whole of Western civilization will be on the line.
If you conjugate this then your children will be next.
An insomniac pedant writes... Conjugation refers to inflected verbs, and therefore, in English at least, the pronouns are irrelevant.
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
He sounds like those brave warriors against woke: if we do not take a stand against pronouns today, tomorrow the whole of Western civilization will be on the line.
If you conjugate this then your children will be next.
An insomniac pedant writes... Conjugation refers to inflected verbs, and therefore, in English at least, the pronouns are irrelevant.
Not if you decide you want a plural pronoun.
Fair point. Well made. I withdraw to bed. It's late.
I think BBC have a bit of a problem with BBC Arabic understanding of impartially...as fake as BBC Verify presenters CV...
A BBC programme has raised questions about whether the Hamas massacre at Kfar Aza kibbutz had really taken place.
Trending, a programme on BBC Arabic, suggested there were different versions of the story and that even Jeremy Bowen, the corporation’s Middle East editor who went to the scene, was simply repeating what he had been told by Israeli forces.
Well now, apparently Biden is due in Israel on Wednesday.
This might seem really daft, but the sign posting of his arrival, is that not a bit of a security risk, given there are lots of Islamists firing off rockets morning, noon and night.
Well now, apparently Biden is due in Israel on Wednesday.
This might seem really daft, but the sign posting of his arrival, is that not a bit of a security risk, given there are lots of Islamists firing off rockets morning, noon and night.
Hmm he's not going to be doing an East Jerusalem meet & greet !
After last nights events in Belgium, the authorities in France must be concerned about this weekends RWC semi-finals in Paris. Paris already has a large radicalised muslim community who may see this as an opportunity to stage a high profile event - especially as one of the participants is arguably to blame for the whole situation (I dont mean the RFU).
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
Hmm. This is no time for self-aggrandizement, but when I said at the beginning that Hamas had 'played a blinder' in the timing and brutality of its assault on Israel I was roundly abused on PB. In what way is this not turning out exactly as the maniacs of Hamas intended?
When it comes to the Middle East PB has a blindspot. Bartholomew wants to know why Gaza's Arab neighbours wont take the 2,400,000 Gazans in and let Isreal destroy the place.*
*I should add that's not Bartholomew's only blind spot.
As has been said before, Turkey - and even Lebanon - have taken in many more Syrian refugees whilst Assad destroys his country.
"The Secretary General of the Anglican Communion, Bishop Anthony Poggo, has called on Anglicans around the world to join a global ecumenical day of prayer and fasting tomorrow – Tuesday 17 October – in response to the ongoing conflict in the Holy Land."
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex · 30m BREAKING: Iran's foreign minister says 'if we do not defend Gaza today, tomorrow we will have to defend against bombs in our own cities'.
Brace...
I can't imagine the two* carriers in the med are reducing the tension. If they embolden the Israelis to fight it out on three fronts how many are going to die?
*soon
Frankly thats a load of old balls. The Israelis have no want to fight a full on conflict on three fronts, they will do it because they have no choice. In that regard the US presence is designed to help achieve a single front conflict.
If the ships and marines weren't there surely it would be more pressing for Israel's to avoid war with the groups in Lebanon and Syria. As they are why wouldn't the IDF be wiling to be that little bit more aggressive?
The Americans are distorting the dynamics, and with the language coming from Netanyahu he would be a fool not to take advantage of this.
Would you prefer if Iran were left to distort the dynamics all by themselves?
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Hmm. This is no time for self-aggrandizement, but when I said at the beginning that Hamas had 'played a blinder' in the timing and brutality of its assault on Israel I was roundly abused on PB. In what way is this not turning out exactly as the maniacs of Hamas intended?
Maybe Hamas were seeking martyrdom.
Other than that, I cannot see how they gain from this.
i) Retain their position in Gaza as the supreme representative of the Gazan people ii) Unite anti-Israeli forces in the region against Israel iii) Disrupt the Israeli rapprochment with other countries (eg Saudi Arabia)
So far, three for three. The fact that this is killing quite a lot of Gazan people does not matter to Hamas.
And Iran's belligerence is no coincidence: Hamas and Iran will have been working hand in glove. So if the US instructs Netanyahu to row back - as I'm sure they will; the US aren't looking for WW3 - then Hamas will claim this as a victory like no other. What a disaster!
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I can't imagine the two* carriers in the med are reducing the tension. If they embolden the Israelis to fight it out on three fronts how many are going to die?
*soon
Frankly thats a load of old balls. The Israelis have no want to fight a full on conflict on three fronts, they will do it because they have no choice. In that regard the US presence is designed to help achieve a single front conflict.
If the ships and marines weren't there surely it would be more pressing for Israel's to avoid war with the groups in Lebanon and Syria. As they are why wouldn't the IDF be wiling to be that little bit more aggressive?
The Americans are distorting the dynamics, and with the language coming from Netanyahu he would be a fool not to take advantage of this.
Would you prefer if Iran were left to distort the dynamics all by themselves?
Politics often makes for very strange bedfellows. On one side, you have the west supplying and funding the Afghan mujahideen in the '80s; on the other hand you have some on the left who call Hamas and Hezbollah 'friends' - despite those two organisations having values that are as far from the left's supposed modern ideals as it is possible to get.
Israel suffered a massive terrorist attack the other week; innocent civilians are still being held by Palestinians. I do wonder what some of the anti-Israel crowd expect Israel to do, given Hamas's avowed aims.
Blinken has reportedly finished his very long meeting with Israeli govt. Assuming he is on a plane shortly, that is possibly your indicator of a larger shooting match about to begin.
Also a reflection of the traditional Democrat dilemma - they hate terrorism and depend on Jewish votes (who split 76%-21%) but know that over-harsh military measures will only increase support for Hamas and want to avoid the Middle East blowing up even more. So I imagine he was trying, probably ineffectually, to restrain Israel to some extent while not exactly prohibiting it from doing anything (which they would probably ignore anyway).
Of course we'll have to wait for his memoirs to find out.
"The Secretary General of the Anglican Communion, Bishop Anthony Poggo, has called on Anglicans around the world to join a global ecumenical day of prayer and fasting tomorrow – Tuesday 17 October – in response to the ongoing conflict in the Holy Land."
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Hmm. This is no time for self-aggrandizement, but when I said at the beginning that Hamas had 'played a blinder' in the timing and brutality of its assault on Israel I was roundly abused on PB. In what way is this not turning out exactly as the maniacs of Hamas intended?
When it comes to the Middle East PB has a blindspot. Bartholomew wants to know why Gaza's Arab neighbours wont take the 2,400,000 Gazans in and let Isreal destroy the place.*
*I should add that's not Bartholomew's only blind spot.
Israel destroyed the peace? Did you notice who invaded whom last week Roger? I'd say the blind spots aren't just on the side of those supporting the Israelis.
If you keep a population ieffectively imprisoned for 17 years with no possibility of bettering their circumstances eventually they will feel they have nothing to lose. They are no less human beings than the Israelis. To use an Arab expression 'If you beat a dog for long enough it'll bite you'
I think some of the atrocities committed by Hamas, Roger, do suggest that Hamas are lesser human beings and not just than the Israelis but all of us.
Well now, apparently Biden is due in Israel on Wednesday.
This might seem really daft, but the sign posting of his arrival, is that not a bit of a security risk, given there are lots of Islamists firing off rockets morning, noon and night.
Same reason they told the Russians when he was visiting Kiev.
The security will be insane, which is easy when you have an aircraft carrier close by and several bases in the area, and everyone knows that there are some targets you just don’t think about taking out, because of the very dramatic consequences of doing so. The advance warning prevents ‘accidents’.
Owen Jones appears to be losing it over on Twitter.
It's all our fault. Again.
There’s definitely a certain section of media and academia, who continue to believe that the world’s bad people are the US, the UK, and Israel, and that by extension everyone else is therefore good.
The 9/11 terrorists attacks allowed to happen due to intelligence failures which subsequently lead to a disastrous invasion of Iraq and the subsequent formation of ISIS .
Israeli intelligence failures allowed terrorist attacks and then because of that a Gaza invasion and possible meltdown in the Middle East .
Are you saying that we need to be perpetually on guard because otherwise evil men will kill hundreds of innocent civilians?
And if we are unlucky once (after the kind, peace-loving Anglophile Gerry Adams) then it’s our fault,,,
Blinken has reportedly finished his very long meeting with Israeli govt. Assuming he is on a plane shortly, that is possibly your indicator of a larger shooting match about to begin.
Also a reflection of the traditional Democrat dilemma - they hate terrorism and depend on Jewish votes (who split 76%-21%) but know that over-harsh military measures will only increase support for Hamas and want to avoid the Middle East blowing up even more. So I imagine he was trying, probably ineffectually, to restrain Israel to some extent while not exactly prohibiting it from doing anything (which they would probably ignore anyway).
Of course we'll have to wait for his memoirs to find out.
The Democrat dilemma at the moment is that an increasingly large part of their base - particularly at the grassroots / graduate level - are increasingly anti-Israel / pro-Palestine and that balancing their factions is going to be increasingly difficult. Hence AOC's twists and turns when it comes to condemning the Hamas attacks.
Would Biden really be going into a war? I don't think so.
This suggests to me that there may be a much greater delay in the start of any ground offensive than had been thought. Perhaps the Americans have managed to persuade the players in the region to open up the southern border and let a lot of Palestinians leave. This will reduce casualties and also reduce the threat of Gaza to Israel going forward.
There was talk yesterday from the UN of the Americans taking over the checkpoints on the southern border from the utterly ineffective European force that is there at the moment. Is this what the 2k marines are for? I can't see the Americans taking on such a task unless the forces involved have overwhelming firepower so that they can defend themselves.
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I can't imagine the two* carriers in the med are reducing the tension. If they embolden the Israelis to fight it out on three fronts how many are going to die?
*soon
Frankly thats a load of old balls. The Israelis have no want to fight a full on conflict on three fronts, they will do it because they have no choice. In that regard the US presence is designed to help achieve a single front conflict.
If the ships and marines weren't there surely it would be more pressing for Israel's to avoid war with the groups in Lebanon and Syria. As they are why wouldn't the IDF be wiling to be that little bit more aggressive?
The Americans are distorting the dynamics, and with the language coming from Netanyahu he would be a fool not to take advantage of this.
1. Netanyahu isnt running this on his own anymore. He directs nothing alone, he is not the almighty. 2. Military logic is that you do not disperse your forces, there isnt a single person of proper senior military background in the unity government nor in the miltary hierachy that doesnt get that 3. If you pay attention to what the Israelis themselves are saying they dont want to have to launch a full scale assault on three fronts, or even two. There is no appetite for it, thats why pretty much no one of note is suggesting it in the country. They will quite happily sustain the current low level long range shooting match with Hizbollah and the other militias providing it stays that way.
I think I understand your points. Although the Israelis are pushing a little. They are striking in Syria and Lebanon. The numbers dying on the northern border are increasing and the rhetoric is scaling with it.
What do you think would happen if Hezbollah got lucky with its anti-ship missiles and removed an American vessel?
Israel are responding to hezbollah provocations in the North. In a fairly measured manner.
The US would respond to the loss of a ship, of course they would. But they would be very mindful of the risk of conflagration so it would be a proportionate response.
Benny Gantz is a able and effective leader who I have a great deal to time for.
Owen Jones appears to be losing it over on Twitter.
It's all our fault. Again.
There’s definitely a certain section of media and academia, who continue to believe that the world’s bad people are the US, the UK, and Israel, and that by extension everyone else is therefore good.
No, me neither.
Owen Jones is quite incredibly stupid. He is an openly gay man, who believes in gay rights. The people he supports in Gaza are not exactly known for their support of gay rights. Last night he tried to blame us for this situation; the reality, as the West Bank shows, is rather different.
"Currently, the Hamas government punishes all men who are convicted of having engaged in homosexual acts with up to 10 years in prison." (1)
Of course, Owen Jones does not live in Gaza.
The situation in the West Bank is somewhat better, although: "In August 2019, the Palestinian Authority announced that LGBT groups were forbidden to meet in the West Bank on the grounds that they are "harmful to the higher values and ideals of Palestinian society". This was in response to a planned conference in Nablus by Al-Qaws, a Palestinian LGBT group. The ban was later withdrawn by the end of the month following backlash." (1)
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Hmm. This is no time for self-aggrandizement, but when I said at the beginning that Hamas had 'played a blinder' in the timing and brutality of its assault on Israel I was roundly abused on PB. In what way is this not turning out exactly as the maniacs of Hamas intended?
When it comes to the Middle East PB has a blindspot. Bartholomew wants to know why Gaza's Arab neighbours wont take the 2,400,000 Gazans in and let Isreal destroy the place.*
*I should add that's not Bartholomew's only blind spot.
Perhaps he's hoping they'll build a motorway and a couple of Barratt new build estates there once they've kicked out the Palestinians. Of course, none of this would be happening if Labour hadn't been running a deficit in 2007.
Well now, apparently Biden is due in Israel on Wednesday.
This might seem really daft, but the sign posting of his arrival, is that not a bit of a security risk, given there are lots of Islamists firing off rockets morning, noon and night.
It delays the launch of the Gaza incursion. More time for civilians to escape.
Yes a risk, but a calculated one. I wonder if that was Blinken’s last card to play in the cabinet meeting?
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Netanyahu's got a lot to answer for. If he survives this it will be miracle. He's more responsible for what is happening than anyone. Quite why the Americans have given him their unwavering support is a mystery.
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Netanyahu's got a lot to answer for. If he survives this it will be miracle. He's more responsible for what is happening than anyone. Quite why the Americans have given him their unwavering support is a mystery.
Agree with that. Netanyahu's an absolute liability. But I strongly suspect the US support is all for show, and Biden's already given him the option of the revolver and bottle of whisky.
Biden doesn't have much choice, any US President seen as weak on support for Israel wouldn't survive long
Nonsense. Biden doesn't have to worry about the Book-of-Revelation evangelist nutters: they're wholly the GOP's problem. Anyway, it's what goes on behind the scenes that's important. As we speak, Biden will be instructing Bibi to rein it in.
I don't know about that, but he might be reminding the Israelis that it's easier to invade Gaza then it will be to pull out later, after who knows how many IDF casualties.
Do they have a clear objective and a clear set of steps to achieve that objective?
If that’s the advice that the US is giving them, then it is final and conclusive proof that Americans have no sense of irony….
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Netanyahu's got a lot to answer for. If he survives this it will be miracle. He's more responsible for what is happening than anyone. Quite why the Americans have given him their unwavering support is a mystery.
Timing. He’ll be cut loose when it’s all over.
I suspect you are right. He is the right wing, hard man, pledged to keep his nation safe who was asleep at the wheel and his nation suffered its biggest loss of life ever. He cannot come back from this even if he razes the Gaza strip to the ground.
Well now, apparently Biden is due in Israel on Wednesday.
This might seem really daft, but the sign posting of his arrival, is that not a bit of a security risk, given there are lots of Islamists firing off rockets morning, noon and night.
It delays the launch of the Gaza incursion. More time for civilians to escape.
Yes a risk, but a calculated one. I wonder if that was Blinken’s last card to play in the cabinet meeting?
The trip is at Netenyahu's invitation, and the US has said that's not what he's doing. Though of course it might tend to have that effect.
Owen Jones appears to be losing it over on Twitter.
It's all our fault. Again.
I saw his post yesterday blaming the British for the lack of gay rights in Gaza.
With that, and his unpleasant Sky discussion with Margaret Hodge, he has not had a good conflict so far.
He became a recognised pundit very young. That seems to do terrible things to an individual's judgment. (See also, Boris - though arguably he was a lost cause from the start.)
Apologies if already commented on but several people have posted on my twitter feed footage of Dowdon and Shapps whispering and chuckling behind Sunak's back while he was making a statement in the Commons on the Israel -Gaza conflict. Why can't we have grown up government?
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Netanyahu's got a lot to answer for. If he survives this it will be miracle. He's more responsible for what is happening than anyone. Quite why the Americans have given him their unwavering support is a mystery.
Agree with that. Netanyahu's an absolute liability. But I strongly suspect the US support is all for show, and Biden's already given him the option of the revolver and bottle of whisky.
Biden doesn't have much choice, any US President seen as weak on support for Israel wouldn't survive long
Nonsense. Biden doesn't have to worry about the Book-of-Revelation evangelist nutters: they're wholly the GOP's problem. Anyway, it's what goes on behind the scenes that's important. As we speak, Biden will be instructing Bibi to rein it in.
I don't know about that, but he might be reminding the Israelis that it's easier to invade Gaza then it will be to pull out later, after who knows how many IDF casualties.
Do they have a clear objective and a clear set of steps to achieve that objective?
If that’s the advice that the US is giving them, then it is final and conclusive proof that Americans have no sense of irony….
Or an administration that is able to recognise past mistakes ?
Btw kudos to Politico for making explicit the edit to this story, rather than trying to fake omniscience. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/16/biden-blinken-diplomacy-middle-east-00121829 ...And in the early hours of Tuesday in Tel Aviv, Blinken announced that the United States and Israel had “agreed to develop a plan that will enable humanitarian aid from donor nations and multinational organizations to reach civilians in Gaza.”
State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller pointed to that announcement in criticizing this story, which was initially published before the plan was unveiled.
“While POLITICO was preparing this story, Secretary Blinken was negotiating a plan to begin delivering humanitarian aid to Gaza that built on days of consultations in the region,” Miller said. “He will continue his intensive diplomacy to ensure Israel can defend itself and prevent the conflict from widening, and will let the record speak for itself.”..
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Hmm. This is no time for self-aggrandizement, but when I said at the beginning that Hamas had 'played a blinder' in the timing and brutality of its assault on Israel I was roundly abused on PB. In what way is this not turning out exactly as the maniacs of Hamas intended?
When it comes to the Middle East PB has a blindspot. Bartholomew wants to know why Gaza's Arab neighbours wont take the 2,400,000 Gazans in and let Isreal destroy the place.*
*I should add that's not Bartholomew's only blind spot.
Israel destroyed the peace? Did you notice who invaded whom last week Roger? I'd say the blind spots aren't just on the side of those supporting the Israelis.
Certainly a blind spot that misreads place as peace..
The 9/11 terrorists attacks allowed to happen due to intelligence failures which subsequently lead to a disastrous invasion of Iraq and the subsequent formation of ISIS .
Israeli intelligence failures allowed terrorist attacks and then because of that a Gaza invasion and possible meltdown in the Middle East .
Are you saying that we need to be perpetually on guard because otherwise evil men will kill hundreds of innocent civilians?
And if we are unlucky once (after the kind, peace-loving Anglophile Gerry Adams) then it’s our fault,,,
You need to check your moral compass, sir!
He's right though, we do need to be perpetually on guard because otherwise evil men will kill hundreds of innocent civilians. It's sad but that's the reality.
The 9/11 terrorists attacks allowed to happen due to intelligence failures which subsequently lead to a disastrous invasion of Iraq and the subsequent formation of ISIS .
Israeli intelligence failures allowed terrorist attacks and then because of that a Gaza invasion and possible meltdown in the Middle East .
Are you saying that we need to be perpetually on guard because otherwise evil men will kill hundreds of innocent civilians?
And if we are unlucky once (after the kind, peace-loving Anglophile Gerry Adams) then it’s our fault,,,
You need to check your moral compass, sir!
How the hell did you get that conclusion from my post .
In an ideal world there would be no terrorists . The blame is on them for being so evil and conducting those attacks . I was merely making the point that we don’t know what can occur down the line . Did the west expect ISIS to pop up after Iraq ?
I was quite shocked by how old, and indeed feeble, Biden, looked on TV yesterday.
The stress of international crises must be seriously tough at his age.
It reinforces the questions about a second term - though at the same time he seems to respond to these crises remarkably well.
There was a piece on NY Times the other day arguing his vast experience of foreign policy issues over decades is now going to be a major bonus and override concerns about his age.
Whether ordinary US voters will see it that way is another matter.
I was quite shocked by how old, and indeed feeble, Biden, looked on TV yesterday.
Irrespective of your views of Joe Biden as a politician, as a human being it really can’t be in his best interests to be still wanting to do this job for more than another five years. He’s clearly in very poor health, which is noticeably deteriorating.
The Dems really should open up their primary process, and choose someone else.
I was quite shocked by how old, and indeed feeble, Biden, looked on TV yesterday.
The stress of international crises must be seriously tough at his age.
It reinforces the questions about a second term - though at the same time he seems to respond to these crises remarkably well.
There was a piece on NY Times the other day arguing his vast experience of foreign policy issues over decades is now going to be a major bonus and override concerns about his age.
Whether ordinary US voters will see it that way is another matter.
Going for the poison pill strategy is bold. I half expect him to padlock himself to the Gaza boundary fence.
Blinken and Biden have a tricky balancing act. Hope they get it right.
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Netanyahu's got a lot to answer for. If he survives this it will be miracle. He's more responsible for what is happening than anyone. Quite why the Americans have given him their unwavering support is a mystery.
Agree with that. Netanyahu's an absolute liability. But I strongly suspect the US support is all for show, and Biden's already given him the option of the revolver and bottle of whisky.
Biden doesn't have much choice, any US President seen as weak on support for Israel wouldn't survive long
Nonsense. Biden doesn't have to worry about the Book-of-Revelation evangelist nutters: they're wholly the GOP's problem. Anyway, it's what goes on behind the scenes that's important. As we speak, Biden will be instructing Bibi to rein it in.
I don't know about that, but he might be reminding the Israelis that it's easier to invade Gaza then it will be to pull out later, after who knows how many IDF casualties.
Do they have a clear objective and a clear set of steps to achieve that objective?
If that’s the advice that the US is giving them, then it is final and conclusive proof that Americans have no sense of irony….
Or that they have learnt from their many mistakes?
No. I don't think so either but we have to have hope.
I was quite shocked by how old, and indeed feeble, Biden, looked on TV yesterday.
The stress of international crises must be seriously tough at his age.
It reinforces the questions about a second term - though at the same time he seems to respond to these crises remarkably well.
There was a piece on NY Times the other day arguing his vast experience of foreign policy issues over decades is now going to be a major bonus and override concerns about his age.
Whether ordinary US voters will see it that way is another matter.
I'd agree with that assessment. But no one is immortal.
On topic, a really quite striking shift in the reason for byelections.
Is it that our MPs are now more badly behaved? Or is it that they are better policed?
Or is it just that MPs are younger, more likely to resign for other opportunities, and in better health?
I think voters more sympathetic to a party that loses an MP for health reasons than one to misbehavior.
The MPs are younger, more likely to be ‘political animals’ with little real-world experience, are better-policed to some extent, but also exist in a toxic media and social media environment that can hammer the most minor of stories for weeks on end.
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*soon
The Americans are distorting the dynamics, and with the language coming from Netanyahu he would be a fool not to take advantage of this.
Israeli intelligence failures allowed terrorist attacks and then because of that a Gaza invasion and possible meltdown in the Middle East .
*I should add that's not Bartholomew's only blind spot.
1. Netanyahu isnt running this on his own anymore. He directs nothing alone, he is not the almighty.
2. Military logic is that you do not disperse your forces, there isnt a single person of proper senior military background in the unity government nor in the miltary hierachy that doesnt get that
3. If you pay attention to what the Israelis themselves are saying they dont want to have to launch a full scale assault on three fronts, or even two. There is no appetite for it, thats why pretty much no one of note is suggesting it in the country. They will quite happily sustain the current low level long range shooting match with Hizbollah and the other militias providing it stays that way.
Hamas' goal is the destruction of Israel, the security forces could only ever contain them not destroy them as the IDF will now try and do
Balci: I would not advise anybody to make their Jewish faith visible in Neukölln."
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/muslim-anti-semitism-in-berlin-wide-swaths-of-arab-speaking-population-harbor-sympathies-for-terrorists-a-f7c73040-7be1-4509-9150-810266818f49
"Güner Balci is the integration commissioner for the Neukölln district of Berlin."
What do you think would happen if Hezbollah got lucky with its anti-ship missiles and removed an American vessel?
Other than that, I cannot see how they gain from this.
Iran can say that they are providing weapons and other indirect support. Can those other countries say the same?
Do they have a clear objective and a clear set of steps to achieve that objective?
ii) Unite anti-Israeli forces in the region against Israel
iii) Disrupt the Israeli rapprochment with other countries (eg Saudi Arabia)
So far, three for three. The fact that this is killing quite a lot of Gazan people does not matter to Hamas.
https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/five-films-to-watch-from-netflix-s-palestinian-stories-collection-50918
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-67129290
Conjugation refers to inflected verbs, and therefore, in English at least, the pronouns are irrelevant.
A BBC programme has raised questions about whether the Hamas massacre at Kfar Aza kibbutz had really taken place.
Trending, a programme on BBC Arabic, suggested there were different versions of the story and that even Jeremy Bowen, the corporation’s Middle East editor who went to the scene, was simply repeating what he had been told by Israeli forces.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/16/bbc-programme-questions-hamas-massacre/
"UK prisons plan ‘will see violent inmates released this week’" (£)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-prisons-plan-system-government-crisis-x8btq933f
"The happy dysfunction of Dover
Americans will never create communities like the British
By Chris Arnade"
https://unherd.com/2023/10/the-happy-dysfunction-of-dover/
https://www.anglicancommunion.org/communications/press-and-media/press-releases/anglican-communion-secretary-general-echoes-jerusalem-church-leaders’-call-for-global-day-of-prayer-and-fasting-in-response-to-israel-hamas-conflict.aspx
Israel suffered a massive terrorist attack the other week; innocent civilians are still being held by Palestinians. I do wonder what some of the anti-Israel crowd expect Israel to do, given Hamas's avowed aims.
Of course we'll have to wait for his memoirs to find out.
It's all our fault. Again.
The security will be insane, which is easy when you have an aircraft carrier close by and several bases in the area, and everyone knows that there are some targets you just don’t think about taking out, because of the very dramatic consequences of doing so. The advance warning prevents ‘accidents’.
No, me neither.
And if we are unlucky once (after the kind, peace-loving Anglophile Gerry Adams) then it’s our fault,,,
You need to check your moral compass, sir!
This suggests to me that there may be a much greater delay in the start of any ground offensive than had been thought. Perhaps the Americans have managed to persuade the players in the region to open up the southern border and let a lot of Palestinians leave. This will reduce casualties and also reduce the threat of Gaza to Israel going forward.
There was talk yesterday from the UN of the Americans taking over the checkpoints on the southern border from the utterly ineffective European force that is there at the moment. Is this what the 2k marines are for? I can't see the Americans taking on such a task unless the forces involved have overwhelming firepower so that they can defend themselves.
The US would respond to the loss of a ship, of course they would. But they would be very mindful of the risk of conflagration so it would be a proportionate response.
Benny Gantz is a able and effective leader who I have a great deal to time for.
"Currently, the Hamas government punishes all men who are convicted of having engaged in homosexual acts with up to 10 years in prison." (1)
Of course, Owen Jones does not live in Gaza.
The situation in the West Bank is somewhat better, although:
"In August 2019, the Palestinian Authority announced that LGBT groups were forbidden to meet in the West Bank on the grounds that they are "harmful to the higher values and ideals of Palestinian society". This was in response to a planned conference in Nablus by Al-Qaws, a Palestinian LGBT group. The ban was later withdrawn by the end of the month following backlash." (1)
(1): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_State_of_Palestine
Yes a risk, but a calculated one. I wonder if that was Blinken’s last card to play in the cabinet meeting?
With that, and his unpleasant Sky discussion with Margaret Hodge, he has not had a good conflict so far.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/10/16/ehud-olmert-q-a-00121787
Though of course it might tend to have that effect.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/16/joe-biden-visit-israel-00121867
John Kirby, the National Security Council spokesperson, said there’s no agreement between the U.S. and Israel to halt any ground invasion of Gaza while Biden is in Israel.
“We are not dictating military terms and operational mandates to the Israeli military,” he told reporters Monday night...
Belgian police have shot a man following a double-shooting/terrorist attack:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67131128
(See also, Boris - though arguably he was a lost cause from the start.)
Btw kudos to Politico for making explicit the edit to this story, rather than trying to fake omniscience.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/16/biden-blinken-diplomacy-middle-east-00121829
...And in the early hours of Tuesday in Tel Aviv, Blinken announced that the United States and Israel had “agreed to develop a plan that will enable humanitarian aid from donor nations and multinational organizations to reach civilians in Gaza.”
State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller pointed to that announcement in criticizing this story, which was initially published before the plan was unveiled.
“While POLITICO was preparing this story, Secretary Blinken was negotiating a plan to begin delivering humanitarian aid to Gaza that built on days of consultations in the region,” Miller said. “He will continue his intensive diplomacy to ensure Israel can defend itself and prevent the conflict from widening, and will let the record speak for itself.”..
I was quite shocked by how old, and indeed feeble, Biden, looked on TV yesterday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPsa2eoZFH0
Explains Spain's wheel like population distribution.
Anyone who thinks Spain's transport infrastructure would be as appropriate in the UK should watch this.
Your alternative is...?
It reinforces the questions about a second term - though at the same time he seems to respond to these crises remarkably well.
The Royal College of Emergency Medicine (RCEM) claims it has established thousands of hours are missed from monthly figures.
Senior A&E doctors have been raising the issue for months.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-67056279
Round of applause to those PBers who have been pointing out the ineptitude of the Welsh government.
In an ideal world there would be no terrorists . The blame is on them for being so evil and conducting those attacks . I was merely making the point that we don’t know what can occur down the line . Did the west expect ISIS to pop up after Iraq ?
Whether ordinary US voters will see it that way is another matter.
Is it that our MPs are now more badly behaved? Or is it that they are better policed?
Or is it just that MPs are younger, more likely to resign for other opportunities, and in better health?
I think voters more sympathetic to a party that loses an MP for health reasons than one to misbehavior.
The Dems really should open up their primary process, and choose someone else.
Blinken and Biden have a tricky balancing act. Hope they get it right.
No. I don't think so either but we have to have hope.
But no one is immortal.