But which different leader? It's all very well speculating about Penny Morduant, and were there a vacancy she may well win. But then again, she may not. It could be a nutcase or chancer or ideological zealot. But I repeat myself.
Tory MPs have no idea what number is going to come up if they roll the leadership dice and dumping Sunak will only help if his replacement can clearly do a better job. Firstly, can someone do a better job of both articulating an attractive vision and running a government, and secondly, if there is such a person (or such people) what are their chances of winning and what are the risks if they don't?
I think that barring an almighty screw-up over a particular issue, Sunak is there for the duration now. It's just too disruptive and too risky for too little return to change leader yet again - particularly when running a leadership contest is, of itself, likely to hit Tory polling merely for the navel-gazing.
The problem is not the leader; the problem is the party.
"Liz Truss task force to challenge Treasury orthodoxy with alternative ‘Growth Budget’"
She's doing an amazing job driving this agenda forward.
Hm. Count me as agenda-critical, I'm afraid.
It's a very good idea to introduce greater awareness of the impact of taxation on behaviour to our official economical forecasts. Hopefully this will make it harder for the OBR to get away with spouting so much shite.
"We used to think that you could spend your way [to faster growth]... by cutting taxes and boosting Government spending. I tell you in all candour that that option no longer exists, and that in so far as it ever did exist, it only worked... by injecting a bigger dose of inflation into the economy"
Of course, it's entirely possible that balanced books no longer matter, and that one can cut one's way to prosperity.
But Johnny Foreigner is under no obligation to buy the debt of the United Kingdom.
It's also worth remembering that cutting taxes almost always goes into the trade deficit. More money in your pocket? New iPhone!
Apparently 2 dead in Brussels shooting. Both are Swedish football fans there for a match. Shooter still on the loose, videos are out there on Twitter. I think we are likely to see many more incidents like this, sadly.
Yes the Tories may get more seats with Mordaunt as leader. The issue is they wouldn't get her as leader.
Why on earth does anyone still rate her after her ludicrous and vacuous speech during the party conference? It was an embarrassment.
She carried a sword. She doesn't represent the Badenoch or Braverman wings.
Ah, so she represents the Empty Headed Wing and is the one the male members would like to f***. If only they could.
I see it now.
That line is beneath you - and it is one you have said the likes of before. Saying the *only* reason someone could have support is because of her attractiveness says more about you than her, or them.
I actually rate her, but don't fancy her. Now, if I was to go solely on attractiveness I'd be firmly on team Rayner (*), but I think she's not particularly good, the 'scum' comment being an example.
I'd rather have Mordaunt than Rayner as PM. But preferably neither.
(*) I lived with a lovely redhead for four years.
I could collect all the comments on here from the male members of this forum that show precisely that it was her attractiveness which interested them in her. It was embarrassing seeing it. But not at all unexpected. Though quite interesting seeing how many different ways of saying "phwoar - I fancy her" men could come up with.
(Snip).
Please do collect them, and compare them about comments made about other politicians.
If you think she has 'vacuity of thinking', by all means attack that. Discounting her because you think her only appeal is that men find her attractive is not a valid or attractive argument, and one that says more about you than her.
Sorry, but Cyclefree is right on this. You can argue she’s wrong to generalise in that manner, but it’s not as though there wasn’t plenty of evidence to generalise from.
I wouldn't be too critical of "scum". After all, that's one of the places cyanobacteria live -- and we should be grateful to them, every time we take a breath. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanobacteria
And, admitedly, cautious about too much contact with some types of them.
I heard part of the reason Liz Truss did not reappoint Peter Bone as a minister last year was because she'd been made aware of the flashing allegation.
Therese Coffey delivered the news to Bone, who was furious and believed he'd been improperly sacked
I heard part of the reason Liz Truss did not reappoint Peter Bone as a minister last year was because she'd been made aware of the flashing allegation.
Therese Coffey delivered the news to Bone, who was furious and believed he'd been improperly sacked
“Reappoint”? Did I miss him being one the first time? Christ, did Boris get that desperate?
I heard part of the reason Liz Truss did not reappoint Peter Bone as a minister last year was because she'd been made aware of the flashing allegation.
Therese Coffey delivered the news to Bone, who was furious and believed he'd been improperly sacked
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Apparently 2 dead in Brussels shooting. Both are Swedish football fans there for a match. Shooter still on the loose, videos are out there on Twitter. I think we are likely to see many more incidents like this, sadly.
Yes the Tories may get more seats with Mordaunt as leader. The issue is they wouldn't get her as leader.
Why on earth does anyone still rate her after her ludicrous and vacuous speech during the party conference? It was an embarrassment.
She carried a sword. She doesn't represent the Badenoch or Braverman wings.
Ah, so she represents the Empty Headed Wing and is the one the male members would like to f***. If only they could.
I see it now.
That line is beneath you - and it is one you have said the likes of before. Saying the *only* reason someone could have support is because of her attractiveness says more about you than her, or them.
I actually rate her, but don't fancy her. Now, if I was to go solely on attractiveness I'd be firmly on team Rayner (*), but I think she's not particularly good, the 'scum' comment being an example.
I'd rather have Mordaunt than Rayner as PM. But preferably neither.
(*) I lived with a lovely redhead for four years.
I could collect all the comments on here from the male members of this forum that show precisely that it was her attractiveness which interested them in her. It was embarrassing seeing it. But not at all unexpected. Though quite interesting seeing how many different ways of saying "phwoar - I fancy her" men could come up with.
(Snip).
Please do collect them, and compare them about comments made about other politicians.
If you think she has 'vacuity of thinking', by all means attack that. Discounting her because you think her only appeal is that men find her attractive is not a valid or attractive argument, and one that says more about you than her.
Sorry, but Cyclefree is right on this. You can argue she’s wrong to generalise in that manner, but it’s not as though there wasn’t plenty of evidence to generalise from.
Most extraordinarily vicious remarks about Scotland a few weeks ago. Not exactly eirenic.
Edit: I mean Ms Mordaunt not Cyclefree! But the change of tone was dramatic. As if she was trying to outcompete someone else.
Apparently 2 dead in Brussels shooting. Both are Swedish football fans there for a match. Shooter still on the loose, videos are out there on Twitter. I think we are likely to see many more incidents like this, sadly.
Yes the Tories may get more seats with Mordaunt as leader. The issue is they wouldn't get her as leader.
Why on earth does anyone still rate her after her ludicrous and vacuous speech during the party conference? It was an embarrassment.
She carried a sword. She doesn't represent the Badenoch or Braverman wings.
Ah, so she represents the Empty Headed Wing and is the one the male members would like to f***. If only they could.
I see it now.
I've met Penny a few times, she's engaging company, she even follows me on Twitter.
Edit - She and I share a similar sense of humour, that's the sort of PM we want.
She has all the elements, but when placed in a situation where she needs to perform (sword-carrying aside) she crumbles. Conference was her chance to showcase her leadership bid - everyone knew that's what it was. Suella grabbed the chance and delivered her speech brilliantly (regardless of the contents), and PM didn’t. It's sad.
I felt rather the opposite - I found Suella a bit ranty, Kemi a bit underwhelming, and Penny quite rounded and humorous.
Yes the Tories may get more seats with Mordaunt as leader. The issue is they wouldn't get her as leader.
Why on earth does anyone still rate her after her ludicrous and vacuous speech during the party conference? It was an embarrassment.
She carried a sword. She doesn't represent the Badenoch or Braverman wings.
Ah, so she represents the Empty Headed Wing and is the one the male members would like to f***. If only they could.
I see it now.
That line is beneath you - and it is one you have said the likes of before. Saying the *only* reason someone could have support is because of her attractiveness says more about you than her, or them.
I actually rate her, but don't fancy her. Now, if I was to go solely on attractiveness I'd be firmly on team Rayner (*), but I think she's not particularly good, the 'scum' comment being an example.
I'd rather have Mordaunt than Rayner as PM. But preferably neither.
(*) I lived with a lovely redhead for four years.
You don’t half bear a grudge! Rayner made a full public apology for that comment, didn’t she? And it was two years ago. Give the lass a break.
My point is that she made a 'full public apology' - which some on here startlingly think was superb - after:
*) After she doubled down on the comments. *) A month. *) After a Conservative MP was murdered.
It was a typical 'forced' apology.
If posters on here did not laud her for it, I would not feel the need to point out it was a really, rally poor thing for her to have done, and which showed her to have the political instincts of a Dodo.
Istr that you're quite attached to the word scum yourself. Is it different for non politicians?
Also exceedingly unfair to Didus ineptus. It wasn't the dodo's fault that lots of buccaneering Brexiters avant la lettre ate them all.
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Since you are discussing political cartoonists, here's an example from my favorite American cartoonist, Michael Ramirez: https://www.gocomics.com/michaelramirez/2023/10/11 I thought he got that difficult subject just right.
(Oh, and I smiled at his Modi cartoon, which was published on the 14th.)
Since you are discussing political cartoonists, here's an example from my favorite American cartoonist, Michael Ramirez: https://www.gocomics.com/michaelramirez/2023/10/11 I thought he got that difficult subject just right.
(Oh, and I smiled at his Modi cartoon, which was published on the 14th.)
Apparently 2 dead in Brussels shooting. Both are Swedish football fans there for a match. Shooter still on the loose, videos are out there on Twitter. I think we are likely to see many more incidents like this, sadly.
Has this just happened?
Yes. He had an AK47
TBH we might be thankful only 2 have died (or so it seems). You'd think with an AK47 in a crowded place you could kill a lot more than that
I wonder if, at the end of this horror, some left wing Jews who promoted mass migration and multiculturalism will start feeling a tad regretful
Yes the Tories may get more seats with Mordaunt as leader. The issue is they wouldn't get her as leader.
Why on earth does anyone still rate her after her ludicrous and vacuous speech during the party conference? It was an embarrassment.
She carried a sword. She doesn't represent the Badenoch or Braverman wings.
Ah, so she represents the Empty Headed Wing and is the one the male members would like to f***. If only they could.
I see it now.
That line is beneath you - and it is one you have said the likes of before. Saying the *only* reason someone could have support is because of her attractiveness says more about you than her, or them.
I actually rate her, but don't fancy her. Now, if I was to go solely on attractiveness I'd be firmly on team Rayner (*), but I think she's not particularly good, the 'scum' comment being an example.
I'd rather have Mordaunt than Rayner as PM. But preferably neither.
(*) I lived with a lovely redhead for four years.
I could collect all the comments on here from the male members of this forum that show precisely that it was her attractiveness which interested them in her. It was embarrassing seeing it. But not at all unexpected. Though quite interesting seeing how many different ways of saying "phwoar - I fancy her" men could come up with.
(Snip).
Please do collect them, and compare them about comments made about other politicians.
If you think she has 'vacuity of thinking', by all means attack that. Discounting her because you think her only appeal is that men find her attractive is not a valid or attractive argument, and one that says more about you than her.
Sorry, but Cyclefree is right on this. You can argue she’s wrong to generalise in that manner, but it’s not as though there wasn’t plenty of evidence to generalise from.
Most extraordinarily vicious remarks about Scotland a few weeks ago. Not exactly eirenic.
Edit: I mean Ms Mordaunt not Cyclefree! But the change of tone was dramatic. As if she was trying to outcompete someone else.
Vicious? Really? Didn't see that. She certainly enjoys winding up the SNP at Westminster though.
Yes the Tories may get more seats with Mordaunt as leader. The issue is they wouldn't get her as leader.
Why on earth does anyone still rate her after her ludicrous and vacuous speech during the party conference? It was an embarrassment.
She carried a sword. She doesn't represent the Badenoch or Braverman wings.
Ah, so she represents the Empty Headed Wing and is the one the male members would like to f***. If only they could.
I see it now.
That line is beneath you - and it is one you have said the likes of before. Saying the *only* reason someone could have support is because of her attractiveness says more about you than her, or them.
I actually rate her, but don't fancy her. Now, if I was to go solely on attractiveness I'd be firmly on team Rayner (*), but I think she's not particularly good, the 'scum' comment being an example.
I'd rather have Mordaunt than Rayner as PM. But preferably neither.
(*) I lived with a lovely redhead for four years.
I could collect all the comments on here from the male members of this forum that show precisely that it was her attractiveness which interested them in her. It was embarrassing seeing it. But not at all unexpected. Though quite interesting seeing how many different ways of saying "phwoar - I fancy her" men could come up with.
(Snip).
Please do collect them, and compare them about comments made about other politicians.
If you think she has 'vacuity of thinking', by all means attack that. Discounting her because you think her only appeal is that men find her attractive is not a valid or attractive argument, and one that says more about you than her.
Sorry, but Cyclefree is right on this. You can argue she’s wrong to generalise in that manner, but it’s not as though there wasn’t plenty of evidence to generalise from.
Most extraordinarily vicious remarks about Scotland a few weeks ago. Not exactly eirenic.
Edit: I mean Ms Mordaunt not Cyclefree! But the change of tone was dramatic. As if she was trying to outcompete someone else.
Vicious? Really? Didn't see that. She certainly enjoys winding up the SNP at Westminster though.
Penny is a great Commons performer, witty, forceful and able to command an audience. Its a pity she is so useless outside. She could be a very effective LOTO.
Yes the Tories may get more seats with Mordaunt as leader. The issue is they wouldn't get her as leader.
Why on earth does anyone still rate her after her ludicrous and vacuous speech during the party conference? It was an embarrassment.
She carried a sword. She doesn't represent the Badenoch or Braverman wings.
Ah, so she represents the Empty Headed Wing and is the one the male members would like to f***. If only they could.
I see it now.
That line is beneath you - and it is one you have said the likes of before. Saying the *only* reason someone could have support is because of her attractiveness says more about you than her, or them.
I actually rate her, but don't fancy her. Now, if I was to go solely on attractiveness I'd be firmly on team Rayner (*), but I think she's not particularly good, the 'scum' comment being an example.
I'd rather have Mordaunt than Rayner as PM. But preferably neither.
(*) I lived with a lovely redhead for four years.
I could collect all the comments on here from the male members of this forum that show precisely that it was her attractiveness which interested them in her. It was embarrassing seeing it. But not at all unexpected. Though quite interesting seeing how many different ways of saying "phwoar - I fancy her" men could come up with.
(Snip).
Please do collect them, and compare them about comments made about other politicians.
If you think she has 'vacuity of thinking', by all means attack that. Discounting her because you think her only appeal is that men find her attractive is not a valid or attractive argument, and one that says more about you than her.
Sorry, but Cyclefree is right on this. You can argue she’s wrong to generalise in that manner, but it’s not as though there wasn’t plenty of evidence to generalise from.
Most extraordinarily vicious remarks about Scotland a few weeks ago. Not exactly eirenic.
Edit: I mean Ms Mordaunt not Cyclefree! But the change of tone was dramatic. As if she was trying to outcompete someone else.
Vicious? Really? Didn't see that. She certainly enjoys winding up the SNP at Westminster though.
Penny is a great Commons performer, witty, forceful and able to command an audience. Its a pity she is so useless outside. She could be a very effective LOTO.
You think ?
I’m afraid I share Cyclefree’s assessment; she’s content free. That conference speech was embarrassing to watch.
Has anyone talked about the Steve Bell sacking? My feeling is that it's a poor decision by the Guardian. Cartoonists should be given the leeway to challenge anything they want particularly in a so called radical paper like the Guardian. The template should be Charlie Hebdo.
The 'Je suis Charlie' campaign which attracted 1,300,000 demonstrators and most world leaders was about free speech not the sensitivity of assorted countries. Nor about bad taste a line which Steve Bell sometimes crosses. But that's what cartoonists are for
Employed cartoonists are there to entertain their readers. There’s no right to lifetime employment, and he ceased being an asset to the publication quite some time back.
This was paid for, not free speech, and it’s risible to equate the two things.
Yes: you can get away with being offensive if you're funny. I'm not sure anything Steve Bell has ever produced has been funny. (He's not alone in this, of course. Almost no political cartoonists are ever funny.) It's hard to see what the Guardian are paying him for.
As a long-time Guardian reader and subscriber I have rarely found Steve Bell's cartoons funny and often found them puerile, sometimes offensive.
He's no loss imo although I know he does have his fans and no doubt there will be letters of protest but I'm sure the Guardian will just shrug and move on.
He had his moments, a long time ago, with the Falkland penguins etc. Not seen his stuff for a long time and not too surprised if he's just traded in the sometimes inspired humour for shock. A bit surprised the editor didnt just pull the offending cartoon tbh.
It appears the Guardian have done the incredible. Having sacked the worst cartoonist in history, Steve Bell, they have now, somehow, found someone even worse. "Billy B". I've just been thru his backlist on Morning Star. OMFG
Chapeau to the Guardian editor for the pure dedication
Yes the Tories may get more seats with Mordaunt as leader. The issue is they wouldn't get her as leader.
Why on earth does anyone still rate her after her ludicrous and vacuous speech during the party conference? It was an embarrassment.
She carried a sword. She doesn't represent the Badenoch or Braverman wings.
Ah, so she represents the Empty Headed Wing and is the one the male members would like to f***. If only they could.
I see it now.
That line is beneath you - and it is one you have said the likes of before. Saying the *only* reason someone could have support is because of her attractiveness says more about you than her, or them.
I actually rate her, but don't fancy her. Now, if I was to go solely on attractiveness I'd be firmly on team Rayner (*), but I think she's not particularly good, the 'scum' comment being an example.
I'd rather have Mordaunt than Rayner as PM. But preferably neither.
(*) I lived with a lovely redhead for four years.
I could collect all the comments on here from the male members of this forum that show precisely that it was her attractiveness which interested them in her. It was embarrassing seeing it. But not at all unexpected. Though quite interesting seeing how many different ways of saying "phwoar - I fancy her" men could come up with.
(Snip).
Please do collect them, and compare them about comments made about other politicians.
If you think she has 'vacuity of thinking', by all means attack that. Discounting her because you think her only appeal is that men find her attractive is not a valid or attractive argument, and one that says more about you than her.
Sorry, but Cyclefree is right on this. You can argue she’s wrong to generalise in that manner, but it’s not as though there wasn’t plenty of evidence to generalise from.
Most extraordinarily vicious remarks about Scotland a few weeks ago. Not exactly eirenic.
Edit: I mean Ms Mordaunt not Cyclefree! But the change of tone was dramatic. As if she was trying to outcompete someone else.
Vicious? Really? Didn't see that. She certainly enjoys winding up the SNP at Westminster though.
Penny is a great Commons performer, witty, forceful and able to command an audience. Its a pity she is so useless outside. She could be a very effective LOTO.
You think ?
I’m afraid I share Cyclefree’s assessment; she’s content free. That conference speech was embarrassing to watch.
Like I said: useless outside.
It's very hard to see who else could do a better job as LOTO, as not exactly strong competition.
Well done to all those younger people in Poland for taking back control !
Remarkable turnout in younger people was key to removing the PiS bigots and hate mongers .
This is a great day for Liberal democracies who are under constant attack from the right wing who seek to peddle hate and division and try and trash democracy .
And a warm welcome back to Donald Tusk , who should become the next PM. He was always a champion for Remainers , and was very effected by the vote . A truly lovely man.
Has anyone talked about the Steve Bell sacking? My feeling is that it's a poor decision by the Guardian. Cartoonists should be given the leeway to challenge anything they want particularly in a so called radical paper like the Guardian. The template should be Charlie Hebdo.
The 'Je suis Charlie' campaign which attracted 1,300,000 demonstrators and most world leaders was about free speech not the sensitivity of assorted countries. Nor about bad taste a line which Steve Bell sometimes crosses. But that's what cartoonists are for
Employed cartoonists are there to entertain their readers. There’s no right to lifetime employment, and he ceased being an asset to the publication quite some time back.
This was paid for, not free speech, and it’s risible to equate the two things.
Yes: you can get away with being offensive if you're funny. I'm not sure anything Steve Bell has ever produced has been funny. (He's not alone in this, of course. Almost no political cartoonists are ever funny.) It's hard to see what the Guardian are paying him for.
Matt always manages to find a genuinely funny take on the political story of the day.
He is a national treasure.
No, he doesn’t. Most of his cartoons are mediocre. It’s just that every six to ten days he produces sheer genius: an enviable hit rate.
Yes the Tories may get more seats with Mordaunt as leader. The issue is they wouldn't get her as leader.
Why on earth does anyone still rate her after her ludicrous and vacuous speech during the party conference? It was an embarrassment.
She carried a sword. She doesn't represent the Badenoch or Braverman wings.
Ah, so she represents the Empty Headed Wing and is the one the male members would like to f***. If only they could.
I see it now.
That line is beneath you - and it is one you have said the likes of before. Saying the *only* reason someone could have support is because of her attractiveness says more about you than her, or them.
I actually rate her, but don't fancy her. Now, if I was to go solely on attractiveness I'd be firmly on team Rayner (*), but I think she's not particularly good, the 'scum' comment being an example.
I'd rather have Mordaunt than Rayner as PM. But preferably neither.
(*) I lived with a lovely redhead for four years.
I could collect all the comments on here from the male members of this forum that show precisely that it was her attractiveness which interested them in her. It was embarrassing seeing it. But not at all unexpected. Though quite interesting seeing how many different ways of saying "phwoar - I fancy her" men could come up with.
(Snip).
Please do collect them, and compare them about comments made about other politicians.
If you think she has 'vacuity of thinking', by all means attack that. Discounting her because you think her only appeal is that men find her attractive is not a valid or attractive argument, and one that says more about you than her.
Sorry, but Cyclefree is right on this. You can argue she’s wrong to generalise in that manner, but it’s not as though there wasn’t plenty of evidence to generalise from.
Most extraordinarily vicious remarks about Scotland a few weeks ago. Not exactly eirenic.
Edit: I mean Ms Mordaunt not Cyclefree! But the change of tone was dramatic. As if she was trying to outcompete someone else.
Vicious? Really? Didn't see that. She certainly enjoys winding up the SNP at Westminster though.
Penny is a great Commons performer, witty, forceful and able to command an audience. Its a pity she is so useless outside. She could be a very effective LOTO.
You think ?
I’m afraid I share Cyclefree’s assessment; she’s content free. That conference speech was embarrassing to watch.
Has anyone talked about the Steve Bell sacking? My feeling is that it's a poor decision by the Guardian. Cartoonists should be given the leeway to challenge anything they want particularly in a so called radical paper like the Guardian. The template should be Charlie Hebdo.
The 'Je suis Charlie' campaign which attracted 1,300,000 demonstrators and most world leaders was about free speech not the sensitivity of assorted countries. Nor about bad taste a line which Steve Bell sometimes crosses. But that's what cartoonists are for
Employed cartoonists are there to entertain their readers. There’s no right to lifetime employment, and he ceased being an asset to the publication quite some time back.
This was paid for, not free speech, and it’s risible to equate the two things.
Yes: you can get away with being offensive if you're funny. I'm not sure anything Steve Bell has ever produced has been funny. (He's not alone in this, of course. Almost no political cartoonists are ever funny.) It's hard to see what the Guardian are paying him for.
His Princess Diana cartoons were the best and most daring anywhere. On form he's one of the best and he's prepared to tread where others wont
Apparently 2 dead in Brussels shooting. Both are Swedish football fans there for a match. Shooter still on the loose, videos are out there on Twitter. I think we are likely to see many more incidents like this, sadly.
Has this just happened?
Yes. He had an AK47
TBH we might be thankful only 2 have died (or so it seems). You'd think with an AK47 in a crowded place you could kill a lot more than that
I wonder if, at the end of this horror, some left wing Jews who promoted mass migration and multiculturalism will start feeling a tad regretful
Sounds like the match has been abandoned at half time with the players refusing to come out for the second half. Stadium locked down and no one allowed to leave.
Well done to all those younger people in Poland for taking back control !
Remarkable turnout in younger people was key to removing the PiS bigots and hate mongers .
This is a great day for Liberal democracies who are under constant attack from the right wing who seek to peddle hate and division and try and trash democracy .
And a warm welcome back to Donald Tusk , who should become the next PM. He was always a champion for Remainers , and was very effected by the vote . A truly lovely man.
Tusk’s anti-immigration rhetoric during the campaign went further than Suella Braverman.
Yes the Tories may get more seats with Mordaunt as leader. The issue is they wouldn't get her as leader.
Why on earth does anyone still rate her after her ludicrous and vacuous speech during the party conference? It was an embarrassment.
She carried a sword. She doesn't represent the Badenoch or Braverman wings.
Ah, so she represents the Empty Headed Wing and is the one the male members would like to f***. If only they could.
I see it now.
That line is beneath you - and it is one you have said the likes of before. Saying the *only* reason someone could have support is because of her attractiveness says more about you than her, or them.
I actually rate her, but don't fancy her. Now, if I was to go solely on attractiveness I'd be firmly on team Rayner (*), but I think she's not particularly good, the 'scum' comment being an example.
I'd rather have Mordaunt than Rayner as PM. But preferably neither.
(*) I lived with a lovely redhead for four years.
I could collect all the comments on here from the male members of this forum that show precisely that it was her attractiveness which interested them in her. It was embarrassing seeing it. But not at all unexpected. Though quite interesting seeing how many different ways of saying "phwoar - I fancy her" men could come up with.
(Snip).
Please do collect them, and compare them about comments made about other politicians.
If you think she has 'vacuity of thinking', by all means attack that. Discounting her because you think her only appeal is that men find her attractive is not a valid or attractive argument, and one that says more about you than her.
Sorry, but Cyclefree is right on this. You can argue she’s wrong to generalise in that manner, but it’s not as though there wasn’t plenty of evidence to generalise from.
Most extraordinarily vicious remarks about Scotland a few weeks ago. Not exactly eirenic.
Edit: I mean Ms Mordaunt not Cyclefree! But the change of tone was dramatic. As if she was trying to outcompete someone else.
Vicious? Really? Didn't see that. She certainly enjoys winding up the SNP at Westminster though.
The recent episode was, however, genuinely jarring and startling. Obviously competing for the next election for Tory leader and never mind the wider issues. Rather like the other competitots, admittedly.
Yes the Tories may get more seats with Mordaunt as leader. The issue is they wouldn't get her as leader.
Why on earth does anyone still rate her after her ludicrous and vacuous speech during the party conference? It was an embarrassment.
She carried a sword. She doesn't represent the Badenoch or Braverman wings.
Ah, so she represents the Empty Headed Wing and is the one the male members would like to f***. If only they could.
I see it now.
That line is beneath you - and it is one you have said the likes of before. Saying the *only* reason someone could have support is because of her attractiveness says more about you than her, or them.
I actually rate her, but don't fancy her. Now, if I was to go solely on attractiveness I'd be firmly on team Rayner (*), but I think she's not particularly good, the 'scum' comment being an example.
I'd rather have Mordaunt than Rayner as PM. But preferably neither.
(*) I lived with a lovely redhead for four years.
I could collect all the comments on here from the male members of this forum that show precisely that it was her attractiveness which interested them in her. It was embarrassing seeing it. But not at all unexpected. Though quite interesting seeing how many different ways of saying "phwoar - I fancy her" men could come up with.
(Snip).
Please do collect them, and compare them about comments made about other politicians.
If you think she has 'vacuity of thinking', by all means attack that. Discounting her because you think her only appeal is that men find her attractive is not a valid or attractive argument, and one that says more about you than her.
Sorry, but Cyclefree is right on this. You can argue she’s wrong to generalise in that manner, but it’s not as though there wasn’t plenty of evidence to generalise from.
Most extraordinarily vicious remarks about Scotland a few weeks ago. Not exactly eirenic.
Edit: I mean Ms Mordaunt not Cyclefree! But the change of tone was dramatic. As if she was trying to outcompete someone else.
Vicious? Really? Didn't see that. She certainly enjoys winding up the SNP at Westminster though.
Penny is a great Commons performer, witty, forceful and able to command an audience. Its a pity she is so useless outside. She could be a very effective LOTO.
You think ?
I’m afraid I share Cyclefree’s assessment; she’s content free. That conference speech was embarrassing to watch.
Has anyone talked about the Steve Bell sacking? My feeling is that it's a poor decision by the Guardian. Cartoonists should be given the leeway to challenge anything they want particularly in a so called radical paper like the Guardian. The template should be Charlie Hebdo.
The 'Je suis Charlie' campaign which attracted 1,300,000 demonstrators and most world leaders was about free speech not the sensitivity of assorted countries. Nor about bad taste a line which Steve Bell sometimes crosses. But that's what cartoonists are for
Employed cartoonists are there to entertain their readers. There’s no right to lifetime employment, and he ceased being an asset to the publication quite some time back.
This was paid for, not free speech, and it’s risible to equate the two things.
Yes: you can get away with being offensive if you're funny. I'm not sure anything Steve Bell has ever produced has been funny. (He's not alone in this, of course. Almost no political cartoonists are ever funny.) It's hard to see what the Guardian are paying him for.
His Princess Diana cartoons were the best and most daring anywhere. On form he's one of the best and he's prepared to tread where others wont
His Scottish guinea pigs at the time of the Poll Tax were brilliant. Ditto the socialist Mesozoic mammals underfoot with Thatchasaurus roaming around. But admittedly a long time ago.
Apparently 2 dead in Brussels shooting. Both are Swedish football fans there for a match. Shooter still on the loose, videos are out there on Twitter. I think we are likely to see many more incidents like this, sadly.
Has this just happened?
Yes. He had an AK47
TBH we might be thankful only 2 have died (or so it seems). You'd think with an AK47 in a crowded place you could kill a lot more than that
I wonder if, at the end of this horror, some left wing Jews who promoted mass migration and multiculturalism will start feeling a tad regretful
Sounds like the match has been abandoned at half time with the players refusing to come out for the second half. Stadium locked down and no one allowed to leave.
This is grim as fuck, and it's going to get grimmer
Wulfrun Phil Thanks for your response, of course you are having a laugh. Me a troll working at Lib Dem HQ, one has to be kidding, and as for moving the markets I would not know where to start or frankly care.. I have posted on the site since before Cameron became leader!! Me and her indoors have been laughing about it for the last half an hour. All I can say is do not be so touchy.
You will have observed that I was only saying what appears to be the case, I might be wrong, appearances can be deceptive but reports of doorstep body language are reports. You will note that I did not say the Lib Dems would win, they would have a mountain to climb bearing in mind a lot of the Labour vote from the General will be sticking with their party. This all gives the Conservative a good chance, but the Lib Dems may have another weapon, their candidate being the only woman, one who speaks well and gets her point across in a very succinct manner. 35% is probably the winning line, which should be withing the range of the Con and/or the Lib Dem.
By the way the last time I voted in a General Election was 8 years ago and I voted tactically Conservative!!!!!!
Has anyone talked about the Steve Bell sacking? My feeling is that it's a poor decision by the Guardian. Cartoonists should be given the leeway to challenge anything they want particularly in a so called radical paper like the Guardian. The template should be Charlie Hebdo.
The 'Je suis Charlie' campaign which attracted 1,300,000 demonstrators and most world leaders was about free speech not the sensitivity of assorted countries. Nor about bad taste a line which Steve Bell sometimes crosses. But that's what cartoonists are for
Employed cartoonists are there to entertain their readers. There’s no right to lifetime employment, and he ceased being an asset to the publication quite some time back.
This was paid for, not free speech, and it’s risible to equate the two things.
Yes: you can get away with being offensive if you're funny. I'm not sure anything Steve Bell has ever produced has been funny. (He's not alone in this, of course. Almost no political cartoonists are ever funny.) It's hard to see what the Guardian are paying him for.
His Princess Diana cartoons were the best and most daring anywhere. On form he's one of the best and he's prepared to tread where others wont
hahahahahah
This is why you never got beyond ad director (tampons)
Well done to all those younger people in Poland for taking back control !
Remarkable turnout in younger people was key to removing the PiS bigots and hate mongers .
This is a great day for Liberal democracies who are under constant attack from the right wing who seek to peddle hate and division and try and trash democracy .
And a warm welcome back to Donald Tusk , who should become the next PM. He was always a champion for Remainers , and was very effected by the vote . A truly lovely man.
Tusk’s anti-immigration rhetoric during the campaign went further than Suella Braverman.
Terrible. Yet actually I'd put that slightly above the average effort from Steve Bell.
So many of today's political cartoons are stupendously poor, I am tempted to have a go myself. It's only my lack of talent and ambition that holds me back.
🇮🇷🇵🇸🇱🇧⚔️🇮🇱🏴 Iranian Foreign Minister: It is expected that in the coming hours, the Axis of Resistance or the Islamic Republic of Iran will take any preemptive action against the Zionist entity.
🇮🇷🇵🇸🇱🇧⚔️🇮🇱🏴 Iranian Foreign Minister: It is expected that in the coming hours, the Axis of Resistance or the Islamic Republic of Iran will take any preemptive action against the Zionist entity.
🇮🇷🇵🇸🇱🇧⚔️🇮🇱🏴 Iranian Foreign Minister: It is expected that in the coming hours, the Axis of Resistance or the Islamic Republic of Iran will take any preemptive action against the Zionist entity.
Well done to all those younger people in Poland for taking back control !
Remarkable turnout in younger people was key to removing the PiS bigots and hate mongers .
This is a great day for Liberal democracies who are under constant attack from the right wing who seek to peddle hate and division and try and trash democracy .
And a warm welcome back to Donald Tusk , who should become the next PM. He was always a champion for Remainers , and was very effected by the vote . A truly lovely man.
Tusk’s anti-immigration rhetoric during the campaign went further than Suella Braverman.
Has anyone talked about the Steve Bell sacking? My feeling is that it's a poor decision by the Guardian. Cartoonists should be given the leeway to challenge anything they want particularly in a so called radical paper like the Guardian. The template should be Charlie Hebdo.
The 'Je suis Charlie' campaign which attracted 1,300,000 demonstrators and most world leaders was about free speech not the sensitivity of assorted countries. Nor about bad taste a line which Steve Bell sometimes crosses. But that's what cartoonists are for
Employed cartoonists are there to entertain their readers. There’s no right to lifetime employment, and he ceased being an asset to the publication quite some time back.
This was paid for, not free speech, and it’s risible to equate the two things.
Yes: you can get away with being offensive if you're funny. I'm not sure anything Steve Bell has ever produced has been funny. (He's not alone in this, of course. Almost no political cartoonists are ever funny.) It's hard to see what the Guardian are paying him for.
His Princess Diana cartoons were the best and most daring anywhere. On form he's one of the best and he's prepared to tread where others wont
His Scottish guinea pigs at the time of the Poll Tax were brilliant. Ditto the socialist Mesozoic mammals underfoot with Thatchasaurus roaming around. But admittedly a long time ago.
To be honest, I don't think I took in much by him before New Labour. My first memory is one of Gus O'Donnell as a dog, the humour coming from the similarity of the words 'Bonio' (i.e. dog treats) and 'Cronio' (or croney, as everyone else on earth says). I goggled at the astonishing weakness of this for ooh, minutes. The weakness of it has stayed with me for years.
Well done to all those younger people in Poland for taking back control !
Remarkable turnout in younger people was key to removing the PiS bigots and hate mongers .
This is a great day for Liberal democracies who are under constant attack from the right wing who seek to peddle hate and division and try and trash democracy .
And a warm welcome back to Donald Tusk , who should become the next PM. He was always a champion for Remainers , and was very effected by the vote . A truly lovely man.
Tusk’s anti-immigration rhetoric during the campaign went further than Suella Braverman.
I remember Remainers. Didn’t they used to be the ones in the silly blue hats? Whatever happened to them and their campaign?
Yes silly blue hats as opposed to the white hoods that wouldn’t look out of place at those ridiculous no deal Brexit rallies, full of thick inbred trailer trash !
Well done to all those younger people in Poland for taking back control !
Remarkable turnout in younger people was key to removing the PiS bigots and hate mongers .
This is a great day for Liberal democracies who are under constant attack from the right wing who seek to peddle hate and division and try and trash democracy .
And a warm welcome back to Donald Tusk , who should become the next PM. He was always a champion for Remainers , and was very effected by the vote . A truly lovely man.
Tusk’s anti-immigration rhetoric during the campaign went further than Suella Braverman.
Well done to all those younger people in Poland for taking back control !
Remarkable turnout in younger people was key to removing the PiS bigots and hate mongers .
This is a great day for Liberal democracies who are under constant attack from the right wing who seek to peddle hate and division and try and trash democracy .
And a warm welcome back to Donald Tusk , who should become the next PM. He was always a champion for Remainers , and was very effected by the vote . A truly lovely man.
Tusk’s anti-immigration rhetoric during the campaign went further than Suella Braverman.
I remember Remainers. Didn’t they used to be the ones in the silly blue hats? Whatever happened to them and their campaign?
Funny that you should say that:
I don’t see “remain” as an option? You’re talking about those who always bang on about Europe and want to join the EU. A very different thing, and not something that would survive a referendum campaign when folk studied the EU they’d be joining and what was involved.
Well done to all those younger people in Poland for taking back control !
Remarkable turnout in younger people was key to removing the PiS bigots and hate mongers .
This is a great day for Liberal democracies who are under constant attack from the right wing who seek to peddle hate and division and try and trash democracy .
And a warm welcome back to Donald Tusk , who should become the next PM. He was always a champion for Remainers , and was very effected by the vote . A truly lovely man.
Tusk’s anti-immigration rhetoric during the campaign went further than Suella Braverman.
I remember Remainers. Didn’t they used to be the ones in the silly blue hats? Whatever happened to them and their campaign?
Funny that you should say that:
LOL. This is going to change as it becomes obvious the entire EU swings hard right, as it is already doing. And will do with even greater vigour with the upcoming terror assault on all our cities
Well done to all those younger people in Poland for taking back control !
Remarkable turnout in younger people was key to removing the PiS bigots and hate mongers .
This is a great day for Liberal democracies who are under constant attack from the right wing who seek to peddle hate and division and try and trash democracy .
And a warm welcome back to Donald Tusk , who should become the next PM. He was always a champion for Remainers , and was very effected by the vote . A truly lovely man.
Tusk’s anti-immigration rhetoric during the campaign went further than Suella Braverman.
I remember Remainers. Didn’t they used to be the ones in the silly blue hats? Whatever happened to them and their campaign?
Funny that you should say that:
I don’t see “remain” as an option? You’re talking about those who always bang on about Europe and want to join the EU. A very different thing, and not something that would survive a referendum campaign when folk studied the EU they’d be joining and what was involved.
Brexit is as popular as a turd in a swimming pool.
But which different leader? It's all very well speculating about Penny Morduant, and were there a vacancy she may well win. But then again, she may not. It could be a nutcase or chancer or ideological zealot. But I repeat myself.
Tory MPs have no idea what number is going to come up if they roll the leadership dice and dumping Sunak will only help if his replacement can clearly do a better job. Firstly, can someone do a better job of both articulating an attractive vision and running a government, and secondly, if there is such a person (or such people) what are their chances of winning and what are the risks if they don't?
I think that barring an almighty screw-up over a particular issue, Sunak is there for the duration now. It's just too disruptive and too risky for too little return to change leader yet again - particularly when running a leadership contest is, of itself, likely to hit Tory polling merely for the navel-gazing.
The problem is not the leader; the problem is the party.
"Liz Truss task force to challenge Treasury orthodoxy with alternative ‘Growth Budget’"
She's doing an amazing job driving this agenda forward.
Hm. Count me as agenda-critical, I'm afraid.
It's a very good idea to introduce greater awareness of the impact of taxation on behaviour to our official economical forecasts. Hopefully this will make it harder for the OBR to get away with spouting so much shite.
"We used to think that you could spend your way [to faster growth]... by cutting taxes and boosting Government spending. I tell you in all candour that that option no longer exists, and that in so far as it ever did exist, it only worked... by injecting a bigger dose of inflation into the economy"
Of course, it's entirely possible that balanced books no longer matter, and that one can cut one's way to prosperity.
But Johnny Foreigner is under no obligation to buy the debt of the United Kingdom.
It's also worth remembering that cutting taxes almost always goes into the trade deficit. More money in your pocket? New iPhone!
Cutting taxes is not expenditure, and if that was Thatcher (assume it was) I disagree with the basis of her remark.
Nobody is against balancing of the books, but the current Government isn't doing that anyway - they're using what fiscal headroom to have to fund the Bank's fiscal tightening mania. Borrowing only to piss the money straight up a wall. That money would be better off given to Michelle Mone in exchange for useless PPE - at least there might be a residual economical benefit as she buys a new yacht. Meanwhile, our ability to service our debt in the long term diminishes.
Foreign lenders are far likelier to want to lend to a country with strong growth, not one with a flatlining economy and worsening public finances - that is where the real risk lies.
Can somebody suggest the likely timeline for Bone's Commons ban, recall petition, and the likely Wellingborough by-election?
I think the Commons gets a vote on the proposed suspension. I just wonder if Tory MPs decide enough is enough and vote for a reduced suspension below the theshold for a recall. The results of Mid Beds and Tamworth may concentrate minds.
Apparently to be let out early. You know, this law and order regime in Westminster being in their words "soft on criminals" when NuLab did exactly the same.
Though I don't know whether to be more startled at how little good it will do in practice. At a very rough estimate of an average sentence of 2 years for those affected (range is 0 to 4 years) that makes about 2.5% of places available. And that doesn't allow for places occupied by longer term prisoners.
Well done to all those younger people in Poland for taking back control !
Remarkable turnout in younger people was key to removing the PiS bigots and hate mongers .
This is a great day for Liberal democracies who are under constant attack from the right wing who seek to peddle hate and division and try and trash democracy .
And a warm welcome back to Donald Tusk , who should become the next PM. He was always a champion for Remainers , and was very effected by the vote . A truly lovely man.
Tusk’s anti-immigration rhetoric during the campaign went further than Suella Braverman.
I remember Remainers. Didn’t they used to be the ones in the silly blue hats? Whatever happened to them and their campaign?
Yes silly blue hats as opposed to the white hoods that wouldn’t look out of place at those ridiculous no deal Brexit rallies, full of thick inbred trailer trash !
Yes my teasing definitely marks me out as a member of the Ku Klux Clan, like everyone who voted leave…
I would call you what you deserve to be called for that insult, but to do so is beneath me. I’m not down at your level.
not something that would survive a referendum campaign when folk studied the EU they’d be joining and what was involved.
Nobody studied anything last time.
When we are once again the sick man of Europe, the calls to rejoin will be loud enough that politicians can't ignore them, and the fuckwits who "delivered Brexit" will get short shrift
I heard part of the reason Liz Truss did not reappoint Peter Bone as a minister last year was because she'd been made aware of the flashing allegation.
Therese Coffey delivered the news to Bone, who was furious and believed he'd been improperly sacked
As I mentioned earlier Bone went to the same school as myself, although many years later. This afternoon I was talking to someone who has recently retired from teaching there, and is still in touch with the place. Apparently Bone was invited to speak at the Old Boys dinner a few years ago and an acquaintance of my friend had to sit next to him. The report was that it was the worst such event our informant had ever attended and certainly if Bone went again he certainly would not.
Well done to all those younger people in Poland for taking back control !
Remarkable turnout in younger people was key to removing the PiS bigots and hate mongers .
This is a great day for Liberal democracies who are under constant attack from the right wing who seek to peddle hate and division and try and trash democracy .
And a warm welcome back to Donald Tusk , who should become the next PM. He was always a champion for Remainers , and was very effected by the vote . A truly lovely man.
Tusk’s anti-immigration rhetoric during the campaign went further than Suella Braverman.
I remember Remainers. Didn’t they used to be the ones in the silly blue hats? Whatever happened to them and their campaign?
Funny that you should say that:
LOL. This is going to change as it becomes obvious the entire EU swings hard right, as it is already doing. And will do with even greater vigour with the upcoming terror assault on all our cities
If it swings hard right then even Brexiters will want to Rejoin!
Well done to all those younger people in Poland for taking back control !
Remarkable turnout in younger people was key to removing the PiS bigots and hate mongers .
This is a great day for Liberal democracies who are under constant attack from the right wing who seek to peddle hate and division and try and trash democracy .
And a warm welcome back to Donald Tusk , who should become the next PM. He was always a champion for Remainers , and was very effected by the vote . A truly lovely man.
Tusk’s anti-immigration rhetoric during the campaign went further than Suella Braverman.
I remember Remainers. Didn’t they used to be the ones in the silly blue hats? Whatever happened to them and their campaign?
Funny that you should say that:
I don’t see “remain” as an option? You’re talking about those who always bang on about Europe and want to join the EU. A very different thing, and not something that would survive a referendum campaign when folk studied the EU they’d be joining and what was involved.
Brexit is as popular as a turd in a swimming pool.
It's only a matter of time.
You really believe that don’t you? My god you’re in for a life of disappointment politically speaking.
Well done to all those younger people in Poland for taking back control !
Remarkable turnout in younger people was key to removing the PiS bigots and hate mongers .
This is a great day for Liberal democracies who are under constant attack from the right wing who seek to peddle hate and division and try and trash democracy .
And a warm welcome back to Donald Tusk , who should become the next PM. He was always a champion for Remainers , and was very effected by the vote . A truly lovely man.
Tusk’s anti-immigration rhetoric during the campaign went further than Suella Braverman.
I remember Remainers. Didn’t they used to be the ones in the silly blue hats? Whatever happened to them and their campaign?
Funny that you should say that:
LOL. This is going to change as it becomes obvious the entire EU swings hard right, as it is already doing. And will do with even greater vigour with the upcoming terror assault on all our cities
If it swings hard right then even Brexiters will want to Rejoin!
A piquant paradox, I agree. But I am right. The soft left social democrat EU we left is already a memory, and a memory that will become evermore distant in coming years
🇮🇷🇵🇸🇱🇧⚔️🇮🇱🏴 Iranian Foreign Minister: It is expected that in the coming hours, the Axis of Resistance or the Islamic Republic of Iran will take any preemptive action against the Zionist entity.
This is it lads, the big one. Time for a group hug. It's been a gas
Balls.
Well yes it is in one way. I have no idea what it is about overly dramatic threatening language out of the middle east and most often zero delivery, but Israel does face strategic dilemma over its Northern border. In short, how involved will Hizbollah and the other Iranian backed militias get on the Syrian and Lebanon interfaces. If a report in the Israeli press is correct, one of the delays on the move into Gaza is a need to bolster its Northern defences. The kind of skirmishing going on at the moment is manageable but they havent cratered three airports in Syria to disrupt Iranian supply chains for nothing. They are concerned about something bigger up North.
The under reported thing here is the Americans. The carrier groups in the Med are well publicised but there is a bigger build up, less visble. A lot of assets beyond the Navy are moving in, a lot, in order to deter or indeed, if rumour is to be believed, act in the event of a true multi-front war.
Well done to all those younger people in Poland for taking back control !
Remarkable turnout in younger people was key to removing the PiS bigots and hate mongers .
This is a great day for Liberal democracies who are under constant attack from the right wing who seek to peddle hate and division and try and trash democracy .
And a warm welcome back to Donald Tusk , who should become the next PM. He was always a champion for Remainers , and was very effected by the vote . A truly lovely man.
Tusk’s anti-immigration rhetoric during the campaign went further than Suella Braverman.
I remember Remainers. Didn’t they used to be the ones in the silly blue hats? Whatever happened to them and their campaign?
Funny that you should say that:
I don’t see “remain” as an option? You’re talking about those who always bang on about Europe and want to join the EU. A very different thing, and not something that would survive a referendum campaign when folk studied the EU they’d be joining and what was involved.
Brexit is as popular as a turd in a swimming pool.
It's only a matter of time.
You really believe that don’t you? My god you’re in for a life of disappointment politically speaking.
The polling cannot be ignored forever. Not by a party wanting to win anyway.
not something that would survive a referendum campaign when folk studied the EU they’d be joining and what was involved.
Nobody studied anything last time.
When we are once again the sick man of Europe, the calls to rejoin will be loud enough that politicians can't ignore them, and the fuckwits who "delivered Brexit" will get short shrift
You lot don’t want to join the EU, you want to rejoin the 1990s. You have a nostalgia for a world that never was, just like UKIP used to for the 1950s. You’re the Conservatives now.
I think Labour will end up moving on and being progressive like it always does (especially with a new load of Red Wall MPs) and you will end up in a sad little UKIP like pressure group or a pro-EU Tory party full of your nostalgic mates.
🇮🇷🇵🇸🇱🇧⚔️🇮🇱🏴 Iranian Foreign Minister: It is expected that in the coming hours, the Axis of Resistance or the Islamic Republic of Iran will take any preemptive action against the Zionist entity.
This is it lads, the big one. Time for a group hug. It's been a gas
Balls.
Well yes it is in one way. I have no idea what it is about overly dramatic threatening language out of the middle east and most often zero delivery, but Israel does face strategic dilemma over its Northern border. In short, how involved will Hizbollah and the other Iranian backed militias get on the Syrian and Lebanon interfaces. If a report in the Israeli press is correct, one of the delays on the move into Gaza is a need to bolster its Northern defences. The kind of skirmishing going on at the moment is manageable but they havent cratered three airports in Syria to disrupt Iranian supply chains for nothing. They are concerned about something bigger up North.
The under reported thing here is the Americans. The carrier groups in the Med are well publicised but there is a bigger build up, less visble. A lot of assets beyond the Navy are moving in, a lot, in order to deter or indeed, if rumour is to be believed, act in the event of a true multi-front war.
As I say, balls. Your last paragraph is the answer - Iran won’t instigate a direct confrontation because it wants there to still be an Iran.
Well done to all those younger people in Poland for taking back control !
Remarkable turnout in younger people was key to removing the PiS bigots and hate mongers .
This is a great day for Liberal democracies who are under constant attack from the right wing who seek to peddle hate and division and try and trash democracy .
And a warm welcome back to Donald Tusk , who should become the next PM. He was always a champion for Remainers , and was very effected by the vote . A truly lovely man.
Tusk’s anti-immigration rhetoric during the campaign went further than Suella Braverman.
I remember Remainers. Didn’t they used to be the ones in the silly blue hats? Whatever happened to them and their campaign?
Yes silly blue hats as opposed to the white hoods that wouldn’t look out of place at those ridiculous no deal Brexit rallies, full of thick inbred trailer trash !
Yes my teasing definitely marks me out as a member of the Ku Klux Clan, like everyone who voted leave…
I would call you what you deserve to be called for that insult, but to do so is beneath me. I’m not down at your level.
I was being admittedly a bit over the top but if gobby can get away with it !
🇮🇷🇵🇸🇱🇧⚔️🇮🇱🏴 Iranian Foreign Minister: It is expected that in the coming hours, the Axis of Resistance or the Islamic Republic of Iran will take any preemptive action against the Zionist entity.
This is it lads, the big one. Time for a group hug. It's been a gas
Balls.
Well yes it is in one way. I have no idea what it is about overly dramatic threatening language out of the middle east and most often zero delivery, but Israel does face strategic dilemma over its Northern border. In short, how involved will Hizbollah and the other Iranian backed militias get on the Syrian and Lebanon interfaces. If a report in the Israeli press is correct, one of the delays on the move into Gaza is a need to bolster its Northern defences. The kind of skirmishing going on at the moment is manageable but they havent cratered three airports in Syria to disrupt Iranian supply chains for nothing. They are concerned about something bigger up North.
The under reported thing here is the Americans. The carrier groups in the Med are well publicised but there is a bigger build up, less visble. A lot of assets beyond the Navy are moving in, a lot, in order to deter or indeed, if rumour is to be believed, act in the event of a true multi-front war.
Well done to all those younger people in Poland for taking back control !
Remarkable turnout in younger people was key to removing the PiS bigots and hate mongers .
This is a great day for Liberal democracies who are under constant attack from the right wing who seek to peddle hate and division and try and trash democracy .
And a warm welcome back to Donald Tusk , who should become the next PM. He was always a champion for Remainers , and was very effected by the vote . A truly lovely man.
Tusk’s anti-immigration rhetoric during the campaign went further than Suella Braverman.
Well done to all those younger people in Poland for taking back control !
Remarkable turnout in younger people was key to removing the PiS bigots and hate mongers .
This is a great day for Liberal democracies who are under constant attack from the right wing who seek to peddle hate and division and try and trash democracy .
And a warm welcome back to Donald Tusk , who should become the next PM. He was always a champion for Remainers , and was very effected by the vote . A truly lovely man.
Tusk’s anti-immigration rhetoric during the campaign went further than Suella Braverman.
This is going to change as it becomes obvious the entire EU swings hard right, as it is already doing.
Like Poland...
Look at the facts, you idiot. Look at what Tusk said on immigration
"Tusk started by referring to the riots sweeping France — echoing the same language used by Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki during last month’s European leaders’ summit dealing with the migration issue. To the fury of France, Morawiecki tweeted about the riots and said: “We don’t want such scenes in any city in Europe … stop illegal migration. Safety first.”
Pivoting off the French riots, Tusk said that Kaczyński is “preparing a document that will allow even more people to come from countries like Saudi Arabia, India, the Islamic Republic of Iran, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Nigeria and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.” He went on to accuse the government of bringing in 130,000 people from those countries last year, 50 times more than when Tusk’s party was in power in 2015."
not something that would survive a referendum campaign when folk studied the EU they’d be joining and what was involved.
Nobody studied anything last time.
When we are once again the sick man of Europe, the calls to rejoin will be loud enough that politicians can't ignore them, and the fuckwits who "delivered Brexit" will get short shrift
The great hope of remainers? That the U.K. does so poorly it is forced cap in hand to beg for a return to the EU?
🇮🇷🇵🇸🇱🇧⚔️🇮🇱🏴 Iranian Foreign Minister: It is expected that in the coming hours, the Axis of Resistance or the Islamic Republic of Iran will take any preemptive action against the Zionist entity.
This is it lads, the big one. Time for a group hug. It's been a gas
Balls.
Well yes it is in one way. I have no idea what it is about overly dramatic threatening language out of the middle east and most often zero delivery, but Israel does face strategic dilemma over its Northern border. In short, how involved will Hizbollah and the other Iranian backed militias get on the Syrian and Lebanon interfaces. If a report in the Israeli press is correct, one of the delays on the move into Gaza is a need to bolster its Northern defences. The kind of skirmishing going on at the moment is manageable but they havent cratered three airports in Syria to disrupt Iranian supply chains for nothing. They are concerned about something bigger up North.
The under reported thing here is the Americans. The carrier groups in the Med are well publicised but there is a bigger build up, less visble. A lot of assets beyond the Navy are moving in, a lot, in order to deter or indeed, if rumour is to be believed, act in the event of a true multi-front war.
What role do you expect Turkey to play?
Supporting each side on alternate days until America gives them lots of money would be my wild stab in the dark.
Well done to all those younger people in Poland for taking back control !
Remarkable turnout in younger people was key to removing the PiS bigots and hate mongers .
This is a great day for Liberal democracies who are under constant attack from the right wing who seek to peddle hate and division and try and trash democracy .
And a warm welcome back to Donald Tusk , who should become the next PM. He was always a champion for Remainers , and was very effected by the vote . A truly lovely man.
Tusk’s anti-immigration rhetoric during the campaign went further than Suella Braverman.
not something that would survive a referendum campaign when folk studied the EU they’d be joining and what was involved.
Nobody studied anything last time.
When we are once again the sick man of Europe, the calls to rejoin will be loud enough that politicians can't ignore them, and the fuckwits who "delivered Brexit" will get short shrift
The great hope of remainers? That the U.K. does so poorly it is forced cap in hand to beg for a return to the EU?
Yep. Some of them like Scott would rather see the UK completely crash and burn as punishment for daring to vote Leave.
not something that would survive a referendum campaign when folk studied the EU they’d be joining and what was involved.
Nobody studied anything last time.
When we are once again the sick man of Europe, the calls to rejoin will be loud enough that politicians can't ignore them, and the fuckwits who "delivered Brexit" will get short shrift
The great hope of remainers? That the U.K. does so poorly it is forced cap in hand to beg for a return to the EU?
Not going to happen. We will continue to grow at least as fast as average, more probably a tad faster given our demographic advantages. But no doubt it will be argued that we would have done even better.
Can somebody suggest the likely timeline for Bone's Commons ban, recall petition, and the likely Wellingborough by-election?
I think the Commons gets a vote on the proposed suspension. I just wonder if Tory MPs decide enough is enough and vote for a reduced suspension below the theshold for a recall. The results of Mid Beds and Tamworth may concentrate minds.
The lesson from Tamworth is that Johnson might still be PM if he hadn't tried to find a way out for a disgraced MP. Surely Sunak wouldn't dare to try to repeat the trick and try and find a way out for Bone?
And anyway, some Tory MPs who have all but given up on their own seats might be quite interested in jumping ship to stand in Wellingborough to try and retake it at the GE after a by-election loss. Sacrificing Bone could open up an opportunity for one of them.
Terrible. Yet actually I'd put that slightly above the average effort from Steve Bell.
So many of today's political cartoons are stupendously poor, I am tempted to have a go myself. It's only my lack of talent and ambition that holds me back.
I'm sure you could come up with something clever or pointed, Ben. Most of these fellas have mistaken an undoubted ability with a characature (sp?) as an ability with biting political satire.
They would win most seats with Boris Johnson. But he's no longer an MP. Not sure he has to be?
As a left-of-centre pragmatist it's Johnson whom I fear. Everyone else = Labour majority, probable landslide. Penny Mordaunt is getting like Liz Truss Mk II. I mean, she's really a bit ... strange at times. Perhaps most of the time. Holding a phallus doesn't a good PM make.
*This is not an endorsement of Boris Johnson. He's a shit. But he is a shit who reaches parts no other tories can.
How are we the only two people on here who think this? It seems so obvious
Lots of people (inc me) think the Cons would be trailing by less in the polls if Boris Johnson had somehow survived. But he made that impossible by his conduct. It was so bad that even Tory MPs could stomach it no longer.
I think it is incorrect to think the party would be doing better if they'd kept Boris, because it omits to take into account what would have happened in the intervening year. It would not have been a static situation; the utter chaos which characterised the latter part of his premiership would only have got worse, the Standards Committee issue would have been a gigantic problem, further partygate scandals and other chickens would have been coming back to roost, he would probably not have defused the NI Protocol ticking bomb as Sunak did, and behind the scenes there would still have been Carrie.
Kinabalu's is a self fulfilling argument:
"The Cons would be trailing by less in the polls if Boris Johnson had somehow survived..."
Possibly true. Because to have somehow survived, Johnson would have had to not do the things which, since he did do them, meant he didn't survive.
🇮🇷🇵🇸🇱🇧⚔️🇮🇱🏴 Iranian Foreign Minister: It is expected that in the coming hours, the Axis of Resistance or the Islamic Republic of Iran will take any preemptive action against the Zionist entity.
This is it lads, the big one. Time for a group hug. It's been a gas
Balls.
Well yes it is in one way. I have no idea what it is about overly dramatic threatening language out of the middle east and most often zero delivery, but Israel does face strategic dilemma over its Northern border. In short, how involved will Hizbollah and the other Iranian backed militias get on the Syrian and Lebanon interfaces. If a report in the Israeli press is correct, one of the delays on the move into Gaza is a need to bolster its Northern defences. The kind of skirmishing going on at the moment is manageable but they havent cratered three airports in Syria to disrupt Iranian supply chains for nothing. They are concerned about something bigger up North.
The under reported thing here is the Americans. The carrier groups in the Med are well publicised but there is a bigger build up, less visble. A lot of assets beyond the Navy are moving in, a lot, in order to deter or indeed, if rumour is to be believed, act in the event of a true multi-front war.
What role do you expect Turkey to play?
No idea, If I stuck a tenner on it, it would be to bet on 'next to none'.
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Of course, it's entirely possible that balanced books no longer matter, and that one can cut one's way to prosperity.
But Johnny Foreigner is under no obligation to buy the debt of the United Kingdom.
It's also worth remembering that cutting taxes almost always goes into the trade deficit. More money in your pocket? New iPhone!
You can argue she’s wrong to generalise in that manner, but it’s not as though there wasn’t plenty of evidence to generalise from.
Since 2019 more Tory MPs have been suspended for sexual misbehaviour than voters convicted of electoral fraud.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanobacteria
And, admitedly, cautious about too much contact with some types of them.
I heard part of the reason Liz Truss did not reappoint Peter Bone as a minister last year was because she'd been made aware of the flashing allegation.
Therese Coffey delivered the news to Bone, who was furious and believed he'd been improperly sacked
🚨🚨New Voting Intention🚨🚨
Labour lead has grown to twenty percentage points in the latest results from Deltapoll.
Con 27% (-1)
Lab 47% (+4)
Lib Dem 10% (-2)
Other 16% (-1)
Fieldwork: 13th-16th October 2023
Sample: 1,568 GB adults
(Changes from 5th - 6th October 2023)
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/tim-ballard-lawsuit-sound-freedom-lds-couples-ruse-trafficking.html
It's all too much for the current cabinet.
Edit: I mean Ms Mordaunt not Cyclefree! But the change of tone was dramatic. As if she was trying to outcompete someone else.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2023/oct/16/billy-b-on-rishi-sunaks-first-day-back-cartoon
Sturgeon causes a rise in nationalist sentiment.
https://x.com/mediavenir/status/1713992271752757514
They might make a good shadow cabinet mind you.
#pedant
https://www.gocomics.com/michaelramirez/2023/10/11
I thought he got that difficult subject just right.
(Oh, and I smiled at his Modi cartoon, which was published on the 14th.)
TBH we might be thankful only 2 have died (or so it seems). You'd think with an AK47 in a crowded place you could kill a lot more than that
I wonder if, at the end of this horror, some left wing Jews who promoted mass migration and multiculturalism will start feeling a tad regretful
I shit ye no shit
"Multi Non-Award winning political cartoonist and illustrator. Published in the Morning Star. "
https://twitter.com/thisisbilly_b
I’m afraid I share Cyclefree’s assessment; she’s content free.
That conference speech was embarrassing to watch.
Chapeau to the Guardian editor for the pure dedication
It's very hard to see who else could do a better job as LOTO, as not exactly strong competition.
On current polling she is a gonner anyway.
Remarkable turnout in younger people was key to removing the PiS bigots and hate mongers .
This is a great day for Liberal democracies who are under constant attack from the right wing who seek to peddle hate and division and try and trash democracy .
And a warm welcome back to Donald Tusk , who should become the next PM. He was always a champion for Remainers , and was very effected by the vote . A truly lovely man.
https://x.com/donaldtusk/status/1675381156513038336
Yet actually I'd put that slightly above the average effort from Steve Bell.
Thanks for your response, of course you are having a laugh. Me a troll working at Lib Dem HQ, one has to be kidding, and as for moving the markets I would not know where to start or frankly care.. I have posted on the site since before Cameron became leader!! Me and her indoors have been laughing about it for the last half an hour. All I can say is do not be so touchy.
You will have observed that I was only saying what appears to be the case, I might be wrong, appearances can be deceptive but reports of doorstep body language are reports. You will note that I did not say the Lib Dems would win, they would have a mountain to climb bearing in mind a lot of the Labour vote from the General will be sticking with their party. This all gives the Conservative a good chance, but the Lib Dems may have another weapon, their candidate being the only woman, one who speaks well and gets her point across in a very succinct manner. 35% is probably the winning line, which should be withing the range of the Con and/or the Lib Dem.
By the way the last time I voted in a General Election was 8 years ago and I voted tactically Conservative!!!!!!
Hope you feel happier
This is why you never got beyond ad director (tampons)
Tusk will always be loved by Remainers.
🇮🇷🇵🇸🇱🇧⚔️🇮🇱🏴 Iranian Foreign Minister: It is expected that in the coming hours, the Axis of Resistance or the Islamic Republic of Iran will take any preemptive action against the Zionist entity.
https://x.com/Hawkeye1745/status/1714006462232510902?s=20
This is it lads, the big one. Time for a group hug. It's been a gas
(not my caps, before you shout at me IN CAPS)
https://x.com/zerohedge/status/1714011090726617296?s=20
It's only a matter of time.
Nobody is against balancing of the books, but the current Government isn't doing that anyway - they're using what fiscal headroom to have to fund the Bank's fiscal tightening mania. Borrowing only to piss the money straight up a wall. That money would be better off given to Michelle Mone in exchange for useless PPE - at least there might be a residual economical benefit as she buys a new yacht. Meanwhile, our ability to service our debt in the long term diminishes.
Foreign lenders are far likelier to want to lend to a country with strong growth, not one with a flatlining economy and worsening public finances - that is where the real risk lies.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/oct/16/thousands-of-prisoners-in-england-and-wales-could-be-released-up-to-18-days-early
Though I don't know whether to be more startled at how little good it will do in practice. At a very rough estimate of an average sentence of 2 years for those affected (range is 0 to 4 years) that makes about 2.5% of places available. And that doesn't allow for places occupied by longer term prisoners.
I would call you what you deserve to be called for that insult, but to do so is beneath me. I’m not down at your level.
When we are once again the sick man of Europe, the calls to rejoin will be loud enough that politicians can't ignore them, and the fuckwits who "delivered Brexit" will get short shrift
https://www.lemonde.fr/international/live/2023/10/16/en-direct-un-homme-ouvre-le-feu-a-bruxelles-et-prend-la-fuite-au-moins-deux-morts-le-parquet-federal-charge-du-terrorisme-saisi-de-l-enquete_6194845_3210.html?#id-1166670
The under reported thing here is the Americans. The carrier groups in the Med are well publicised but there is a bigger build up, less visble. A lot of assets beyond the Navy are moving in, a lot, in order to deter or indeed, if rumour is to be believed, act in the event of a true multi-front war.
I think Labour will end up moving on and being progressive like it always does (especially with a new load of Red Wall MPs) and you will end up in a sad little UKIP like pressure group or a pro-EU Tory party full of your nostalgic mates.
"Tusk started by referring to the riots sweeping France — echoing the same language used by Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki during last month’s European leaders’ summit dealing with the migration issue. To the fury of France, Morawiecki tweeted about the riots and said: “We don’t want such scenes in any city in Europe … stop illegal migration. Safety first.”
Pivoting off the French riots, Tusk said that Kaczyński is “preparing a document that will allow even more people to come from countries like Saudi Arabia, India, the Islamic Republic of Iran, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Nigeria and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.” He went on to accuse the government of bringing in 130,000 people from those countries last year, 50 times more than when Tusk’s party was in power in 2015."
https://www.politico.eu/article/polish-politicians-donald-tusk-attack-migrants-for-electoral-gain/
You're just a cretin driven mad by Brexit
You guys need to have a group hug, although I guess liking each others posts will have to do for now
*actually we did know the bill. It was mischaracterized as Project Fear.
And anyway, some Tory MPs who have all but given up on their own seats might be quite interested in jumping ship to stand in Wellingborough to try and retake it at the GE after a by-election loss. Sacrificing Bone could open up an opportunity for one of them.
Most of these fellas have mistaken an undoubted ability with a characature (sp?) as an ability with biting political satire.
It seems the Belgian police have yet to catch the infernal miscreant. He bugged out on a scooter and is still at large. With an AK47