"Mr Chalk told LBC: "Lee Anderson expresses the righteous indignation of the British people. Yes, he does it in salty terms, that's his style, but his indignation is well placed."
He added that France is a safe country and a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights.
"People should claim asylum in the first country - it's not like there should be an open shopping list of where you want to go," he said.
"He expresses himself in his characteristically robust terms but there is a lot of sense, in my respectful view, in what Lee says.""
My friend from Wolves says that the Crooked House used to be a popular place for Dudley College students to drink, as they were not fussy about ID.
ID wasn't a thing in this country until relatively recently. If someone looked old enough to drink they could get one. The landlord would decide if someone looked 18 or not, not ask for ID. Also you can drink at 16 if you have a meal at the same time.
@Gardenwalker says, pubs are one of the best things about Britain, and anyone who goes around criminally tearing down 220 year old British pubs with amazing quirks will feel the wrath of many - and rightly
I completely agree with this incidentally.
But then I'm not the one who regularly says to only build on brownfield land. Quite the opposite.
If you want to preserve old buildings and pubs especially, then that means new developments can't happen on that old land, so need to happen elsewhere instead.
There is no mythical bank of brownfield land ready for development that excludes old buildings or pubs.
Isn't it mainly HYUFD who bangs on about brownfield development? I'm all for judicious use of bits of green belt to unstrangle the planning system. Though I'm pretty sure that what I would make it look like (Accordia Cambridge with a grassed tram line, basically) would be diffferent to you.
Once you do that, places like the Crooked House can float or sink on their own merits, rather than being hobbled by the insane value of the land they are on.
But even if you want to knock down a quirky old building, do it the right way, which isn't this.
"Mr Chalk told LBC: "Lee Anderson expresses the righteous indignation of the British people. Yes, he does it in salty terms, that's his style, but his indignation is well placed."
He added that France is a safe country and a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights.
"People should claim asylum in the first country - it's not like there should be an open shopping list of where you want to go," he said.
"He expresses himself in his characteristically robust terms but there is a lot of sense, in my respectful view, in what Lee says.""
Except that if the French did that, people would be pushed back to Germany and Italy.
And if they did that, to Poland and the Balkans.
Until all the refugees from X end up in the handful of countries bordering X. Which is where many do end up, of course. But it's hardly a good outcome.
Remember that under any fair global system of asylum, the UK could well end up with more refugees than it does now.
My friend from Wolves says that the Crooked House used to be a popular place for Dudley College students to drink, as they were not fussy about ID.
ID wasn't a thing in this country until relatively recently. If someone looked old enough to drink they could get one. The landlord would decide if someone looked 18 or not, not ask for ID. Also you can drink at 16 if you have a meal at the same time.
If. In the late 70s at the age of 16/17 I knew exactly the pubs you had the best chance of not being challenged in. The challenge was a request for ID (a provisional driving licence usually)
...@BartholomewRoberts who wants to turn every inch of Britian into red brick semi detached Barratt homes...
Better known as "places where people want to live"
Evidence?
I want to live in one.
I realise everybody on PB these days is spectacularly bloody rich and/or lives outside the UK and/or flits between nations like a deranged drug-addled frog, and hence have houses tailored to their no-doubt exquisite tastes, but there do exist [checks notes] millions of people who would like to live in something like a Brookside house rather than increasingly-smaller boxes inflicted on them by a Government and decadent upper-middle classes who are perfectly happy to import millions of people to replace them when they get uppity.
Tories need more like him. Instinctive politicians
All parties do; this is hardly a partisan issue.
I'd note, though that the reason most councils are reluctant to pursue such cases more energetically is that doing so can be very expensive for them. They - and their planning departments - are severely resource constrained.
There was a recent case in Scotland where a new landowner just blocked off a very well-used and long preexisting footpath. Just like that. But it took about 2-3 years or so to get it to court (strictly, a tribunal, I think) and the path reopened. IIRC from the Rambers report part of the issue was that the council has to go by the book and get all its ducks in a line, evidence, procedure, technicalities and so on, even before the court case begins. Plenty (e.g. here on PB) who would howl malfeasance and oppression otherwise, and they'd be right, because the case is wrecked if that happens. But it costs staff time and money.
This farcical update from the Mary Rose museum which uses various objects in its collection to bang on, utterly tangentially, about queer identity and being non-binary.
I like the comment "And they don't even have the guts to say "a bunch of sailors would have been buggering each other senseless on a long voyage, out of sheer boredom if nothing else.""
Reminded of Winston Churchill's comment about naval tradition - "it's all rum, bum and the lash".
This farcical update from the Mary Rose museum which uses various objects in its collection to bang on, utterly tangentially, about queer identity and being non-binary.
I like the comment "And they don't even have the guts to say "a bunch of sailors would have been buggering each other senseless on a long voyage, out of sheer boredom if nothing else.""
Reminded of Winston Churchill's comment about naval tradition - "it's all rum, bum and the lash".
Might this explain @Dura_Ace 's anger? Or were the Fleet Air Arm above all that kind of stuff?
...@BartholomewRoberts who wants to turn every inch of Britian into red brick semi detached Barratt homes...
Better known as "places where people want to live"
Evidence?
I want to live in one.
I realise everybody on PB these days is spectacularly bloody rich and/or lives outside the UK and/or flits between nations like a deranged drug-addled frog, and hence have houses tailored to their no-doubt exquisite tastes, but there do exist [checks notes] millions of people who would like to live in something like a Brookside house rather than increasingly-smaller boxes inflicted on them by a Government and decadent upper-middle classes who are perfectly happy to import millions of people to replace them when they get uppity.
Sounds like you need to work through some issues, to be honest.
This farcical update from the Mary Rose museum which uses various objects in its collection to bang on, utterly tangentially, about queer identity and being non-binary.
I like the comment "And they don't even have the guts to say "a bunch of sailors would have been buggering each other senseless on a long voyage, out of sheer boredom if nothing else.""
Reminded of Winston Churchill's comment about naval tradition - "it's all rum, bum and the lash".
Might this explain @Dura_Ace 's anger? Or were the Fleet Air Arm above all that kind of stuff?
Well, while "hello, sailor" is proverbial, I must admit I've never heard of "hello, airman".
This farcical update from the Mary Rose museum which uses various objects in its collection to bang on, utterly tangentially, about queer identity and being non-binary.
I like the comment "And they don't even have the guts to say "a bunch of sailors would have been buggering each other senseless on a long voyage, out of sheer boredom if nothing else.""
Reminded of Winston Churchill's comment about naval tradition - "it's all rum, bum and the lash".
On a point of PB Pedantry: "Rum, *sodomy, prayers,* and the lash".
Tories need more like him. Instinctive politicians
I believe you can make such an order if and only if you can prove it was deliberately demolished. His letter rather pathetically skirts round the fact that he knows this perfectly well.
I think we can be fairly sure it was “deliberately demolished” as here is the footage of it being deliberately demolished by a great big JCB, a day after the fire.
This all smacks of panic to me. Someone torched it and was frightened by the massive online reaction which got police and politicians involved, now they’ve kicked off an even bigger reaction
It won’t go away now
Ah OK the JCB may have been a mistake. if they have any sense they will have a surveyor's report after the fire saying JFC this buiding is lethally dangerous and needs demolished asap. BUT the point about the Punch Bowl is that it was listed, this is not. Not even sure they needed to torch it, unless they were getting in quick ahead of a fast track listing application (if such a thing is possible).
The Georgian Group was pursuing a quick listing with the support of locals
You’ve got this wrong. It’s definitely a highly suspicious sequence of events. Which also implicates Marathon’s the brewers
No, you have got me wrong. I think it absolutely stinks, but I think they will get away with it.
Mind you it was a fugly building and I don't feel that its loss hugely diminishes me. If people valued it they should have drunk a lot of beer there on a regular basis, and it would still be a pub.
One of the reasons it became less popular as a pub is that there was strangely sustained campaign of fly-tipping alll around it, making it hard to access and sometimes unpleasant to visit: I actually learned that from Gavin Williamson's Facebook page. And then in recent months it was suspiciously attacked so that its kitchen and loos were almost unusable....
It sounds to me like these last few days have merely been the culmination of a years long process of making it unviable as a pub, so it will be sold, so it can then be torched and demolished, and then someone makes an absolute mint turning it all into housing
And for once we as a nation should say No, fuck that, and put these greedy c*nts in jail, as an example. Sorted
This is what's wrong with this country. The building wasn't listed, if the owners wanted to demolish it, they ought to just be able to send in bulldozers and it should be none of anyone else's business.
We have a chronic shortage of housing in this country and any time anyone suggests building on greenfield land people scream out no, redevelop brownfield instead.
Now there's a plot of brownfield land available for redevelopment and there is outrage at that too.
Which is it? Do you want green land developed? Or "brownfield" which means tearing down old buildings, just like this.
And if you want a pub to stay open, best bet is to go and drink there. Not never go then complain an establishment you never drank at has shut down.
I'm sure your UK would have incredible GDP figures. But it would utterly charmless, and the welfare of the people who live here no better (or even worse).
There does need to be some sort of concerted effort to save pubs, halls. There is a value in social cohesion that doesn't appear on a spreadsheet. For one, it means that you can escape your poxy flat or new build for a few hours.
If you want a concerted effort to save pubs, halls etc, then start by drinking in them. Frequent those establishments and provide them custom.
If you can't be bothered, then don't complain if they go out of business. Put your money where your mouth is and go buy a pint or two. Regularly.
If they had better cycle provision I'd be more likely to buy a pint.
But seriously - I am a regular pub goer and claim to have singlehandedly kept my local pizzeria going during lockdown. I just wish the pints were as cheap as the cans you can buy in Tesco.
Likewise, I love pubs. I am a regular in at least two around me - the Edinboro Castle and the York and Albany - and often stroll to others in Primrose Hill
I visit plenty of pubs further afield. Soho, Hampstead, Highgate, all over London, and I love a country pub, a coastal pub, a historic pub. I even like really down at heel sketchy pubs, they too can have intense character. As @Gardenwalker says, pubs are one of the best things about Britain, and anyone who goes around criminally tearing down 220 year old British pubs with amazing quirks will feel the wrath of many - and rightly
One main reason I haven't drunk in the Crooked House is because I have never been to South Staffs (at least as far as I can recall) so have never had the chance. A stupid argument
I guess the mistske isn't yours then, but that is clearly one pub that needs to be burned down in the interests of Anglo-Scottish relations. Typical North London idiocy.
"The Edinboro Castle is a poncy pub with poncy interior decor and full of poncy people. Somebody else may well say it's a stylish cool pub with stylish cool decor and stylish cool people. So it's horses for courses. But at somepoint - probably when somebody decided to change the name from the "Edinburgh Castle" to the "Edinboro Castle", it became poncy. The other give away is that with their fish & chips (beer battered haddock and "skin-on" chips???) they don't do mushy peas. They do "crushed peas". See what I mean?
... The Edinboro Castle ticks all the "nice" boxes, but I think everything about is poncy, contrived, superficial and self-satisfied. If you're any of those you'll probably quite like it."
...@BartholomewRoberts who wants to turn every inch of Britian into red brick semi detached Barratt homes...
Better known as "places where people want to live"
Evidence?
I want to live in one.
I realise everybody on PB these days is spectacularly bloody rich and/or lives outside the UK and/or flits between nations like a deranged drug-addled frog, and hence have houses tailored to their no-doubt exquisite tastes, but there do exist [checks notes] millions of people who would like to live in something like a Brookside house rather than increasingly-smaller boxes inflicted on them by a Government and decadent upper-middle classes who are perfectly happy to import millions of people to replace them when they get uppity.
Sounds like you need to work through some issues, to be honest.
The number one issue being that there aren't enough homes in this country and we need millions more.
Barratt are at least doing something about it, ensuring many families can achieve their dream of having a home of their own.
That may not be good enough for you, but it is for millions of others. And the homes they build get snapped up, which is evidence their homes are wanted - even if you think it's only because there's no other alternatives.
I'd love to see our planning system reformed so we don't rely on developers like Barratt but unless or until it happens at least they're building homes. Which is what is needed.
This farcical update from the Mary Rose museum which uses various objects in its collection to bang on, utterly tangentially, about queer identity and being non-binary.
I like the comment "And they don't even have the guts to say "a bunch of sailors would have been buggering each other senseless on a long voyage, out of sheer boredom if nothing else.""
Reminded of Winston Churchill's comment about naval tradition - "it's all rum, bum and the lash".
This farcical update from the Mary Rose museum which uses various objects in its collection to bang on, utterly tangentially, about queer identity and being non-binary.
I like the comment "And they don't even have the guts to say "a bunch of sailors would have been buggering each other senseless on a long voyage, out of sheer boredom if nothing else.""
Reminded of Winston Churchill's comment about naval tradition - "it's all rum, bum and the lash".
Might this explain @Dura_Ace 's anger? Or were the Fleet Air Arm above all that kind of stuff?
Well, while "hello, sailor" is proverbial, I must admit I've never heard of "hello, airman".
I'm sure DA will confirm, but I'm pretty sure FAA lads are of the very strong opinion that they're sailors. How much bum goes with it I don't know.
...@BartholomewRoberts who wants to turn every inch of Britian into red brick semi detached Barratt homes...
Better known as "places where people want to live"
Evidence?
I want to live in one.
I realise everybody on PB these days is spectacularly bloody rich and/or lives outside the UK and/or flits between nations like a deranged drug-addled frog, and hence have houses tailored to their no-doubt exquisite tastes, but there do exist [checks notes] millions of people who would like to live in something like a Brookside house rather than increasingly-smaller boxes inflicted on them by a Government and decadent upper-middle classes who are perfectly happy to import millions of people to replace them when they get uppity.
Always great to see the great replacement theory getting an airing.
...@BartholomewRoberts who wants to turn every inch of Britian into red brick semi detached Barratt homes...
Better known as "places where people want to live"
Evidence?
I want to live in one.
I realise everybody on PB these days is spectacularly bloody rich and/or lives outside the UK and/or flits between nations like a deranged drug-addled frog, and hence have houses tailored to their no-doubt exquisite tastes, but there do exist [checks notes] millions of people who would like to live in something like a Brookside house rather than increasingly-smaller boxes inflicted on them by a Government and decadent upper-middle classes who are perfectly happy to import millions of people to replace them when they get uppity.
Sounds like you need to work through some issues, to be honest.
The number one issue being that there aren't enough homes in this country and we need millions more.
Barratt are at least doing something about it, ensuring many families can achieve their dream of having a home of their own.
That may not be good enough for you, but it is for millions of others. And the homes they build get snapped up, which is evidence their homes are wanted - even if you think it's only because there's no other alternatives.
I'd love to see our planning system reformed so we don't rely on developers like Barratt but unless or until it happens at least they're building homes. Which is what is needed.
Though I did notice this story the other day. Looks as if they are short of trained craftspeople. I wonder why?
Tories need more like him. Instinctive politicians
I believe you can make such an order if and only if you can prove it was deliberately demolished. His letter rather pathetically skirts round the fact that he knows this perfectly well.
I think we can be fairly sure it was “deliberately demolished” as here is the footage of it being deliberately demolished by a great big JCB, a day after the fire.
This all smacks of panic to me. Someone torched it and was frightened by the massive online reaction which got police and politicians involved, now they’ve kicked off an even bigger reaction
It won’t go away now
Ah OK the JCB may have been a mistake. if they have any sense they will have a surveyor's report after the fire saying JFC this buiding is lethally dangerous and needs demolished asap. BUT the point about the Punch Bowl is that it was listed, this is not. Not even sure they needed to torch it, unless they were getting in quick ahead of a fast track listing application (if such a thing is possible).
The Georgian Group was pursuing a quick listing with the support of locals
You’ve got this wrong. It’s definitely a highly suspicious sequence of events. Which also implicates Marathon’s the brewers
No, you have got me wrong. I think it absolutely stinks, but I think they will get away with it.
Mind you it was a fugly building and I don't feel that its loss hugely diminishes me. If people valued it they should have drunk a lot of beer there on a regular basis, and it would still be a pub.
One of the reasons it became less popular as a pub is that there was strangely sustained campaign of fly-tipping alll around it, making it hard to access and sometimes unpleasant to visit: I actually learned that from Gavin Williamson's Facebook page. And then in recent months it was suspiciously attacked so that its kitchen and loos were almost unusable....
It sounds to me like these last few days have merely been the culmination of a years long process of making it unviable as a pub, so it will be sold, so it can then be torched and demolished, and then someone makes an absolute mint turning it all into housing
And for once we as a nation should say No, fuck that, and put these greedy c*nts in jail, as an example. Sorted
This is what's wrong with this country. The building wasn't listed, if the owners wanted to demolish it, they ought to just be able to send in bulldozers and it should be none of anyone else's business.
We have a chronic shortage of housing in this country and any time anyone suggests building on greenfield land people scream out no, redevelop brownfield instead.
Now there's a plot of brownfield land available for redevelopment and there is outrage at that too.
Which is it? Do you want green land developed? Or "brownfield" which means tearing down old buildings, just like this.
And if you want a pub to stay open, best bet is to go and drink there. Not never go then complain an establishment you never drank at has shut down.
I'm sure your UK would have incredible GDP figures. But it would utterly charmless, and the welfare of the people who live here no better (or even worse).
There does need to be some sort of concerted effort to save pubs, halls. There is a value in social cohesion that doesn't appear on a spreadsheet. For one, it means that you can escape your poxy flat or new build for a few hours.
If you want a concerted effort to save pubs, halls etc, then start by drinking in them. Frequent those establishments and provide them custom.
If you can't be bothered, then don't complain if they go out of business. Put your money where your mouth is and go buy a pint or two. Regularly.
If they had better cycle provision I'd be more likely to buy a pint.
But seriously - I am a regular pub goer and claim to have singlehandedly kept my local pizzeria going during lockdown. I just wish the pints were as cheap as the cans you can buy in Tesco.
Likewise, I love pubs. I am a regular in at least two around me - the Edinboro Castle and the York and Albany - and often stroll to others in Primrose Hill
I visit plenty of pubs further afield. Soho, Hampstead, Highgate, all over London, and I love a country pub, a coastal pub, a historic pub. I even like really down at heel sketchy pubs, they too can have intense character. As @Gardenwalker says, pubs are one of the best things about Britain, and anyone who goes around criminally tearing down 220 year old British pubs with amazing quirks will feel the wrath of many - and rightly
One main reason I haven't drunk in the Crooked House is because I have never been to South Staffs (at least as far as I can recall) so have never had the chance. A stupid argument
I guess the mistske isn't yours then, but that is clearly one pub that needs to be burned down in the interests of Anglo-Scottish relations. Typical North London idiocy.
"The Edinboro Castle is a poncy pub with poncy interior decor and full of poncy people. Somebody else may well say it's a stylish cool pub with stylish cool decor and stylish cool people. So it's horses for courses. But at somepoint - probably when somebody decided to change the name from the "Edinburgh Castle" to the "Edinboro Castle", it became poncy. The other give away is that with their fish & chips (beer battered haddock and "skin-on" chips???) they don't do mushy peas. They do "crushed peas". See what I mean?
... The Edinboro Castle ticks all the "nice" boxes, but I think everything about is poncy, contrived, superficial and self-satisfied. If you're any of those you'll probably quite like it."
...@BartholomewRoberts who wants to turn every inch of Britian into red brick semi detached Barratt homes...
Better known as "places where people want to live"
Evidence?
I want to live in one.
I realise everybody on PB these days is spectacularly bloody rich and/or lives outside the UK and/or flits between nations like a deranged drug-addled frog, and hence have houses tailored to their no-doubt exquisite tastes, but there do exist [checks notes] millions of people who would like to live in something like a Brookside house rather than increasingly-smaller boxes inflicted on them by a Government and decadent upper-middle classes who are perfectly happy to import millions of people to replace them when they get uppity.
Sounds like you need to work through some issues, to be honest.
Yup. The rant issued above is one of the ways of doing so. I shall no doubt think of others and share them with the group, to its elucidation and delight. And I do all this for free.
Tories need more like him. Instinctive politicians
I believe you can make such an order if and only if you can prove it was deliberately demolished. His letter rather pathetically skirts round the fact that he knows this perfectly well.
I think we can be fairly sure it was “deliberately demolished” as here is the footage of it being deliberately demolished by a great big JCB, a day after the fire.
This all smacks of panic to me. Someone torched it and was frightened by the massive online reaction which got police and politicians involved, now they’ve kicked off an even bigger reaction
It won’t go away now
Ah OK the JCB may have been a mistake. if they have any sense they will have a surveyor's report after the fire saying JFC this buiding is lethally dangerous and needs demolished asap. BUT the point about the Punch Bowl is that it was listed, this is not. Not even sure they needed to torch it, unless they were getting in quick ahead of a fast track listing application (if such a thing is possible).
The Georgian Group was pursuing a quick listing with the support of locals
You’ve got this wrong. It’s definitely a highly suspicious sequence of events. Which also implicates Marathon’s the brewers
No, you have got me wrong. I think it absolutely stinks, but I think they will get away with it.
Mind you it was a fugly building and I don't feel that its loss hugely diminishes me. If people valued it they should have drunk a lot of beer there on a regular basis, and it would still be a pub.
One of the reasons it became less popular as a pub is that there was strangely sustained campaign of fly-tipping alll around it, making it hard to access and sometimes unpleasant to visit: I actually learned that from Gavin Williamson's Facebook page. And then in recent months it was suspiciously attacked so that its kitchen and loos were almost unusable....
It sounds to me like these last few days have merely been the culmination of a years long process of making it unviable as a pub, so it will be sold, so it can then be torched and demolished, and then someone makes an absolute mint turning it all into housing
And for once we as a nation should say No, fuck that, and put these greedy c*nts in jail, as an example. Sorted
This is what's wrong with this country. The building wasn't listed, if the owners wanted to demolish it, they ought to just be able to send in bulldozers and it should be none of anyone else's business.
We have a chronic shortage of housing in this country and any time anyone suggests building on greenfield land people scream out no, redevelop brownfield instead.
Now there's a plot of brownfield land available for redevelopment and there is outrage at that too.
Which is it? Do you want green land developed? Or "brownfield" which means tearing down old buildings, just like this.
And if you want a pub to stay open, best bet is to go and drink there. Not never go then complain an establishment you never drank at has shut down.
I'm sure your UK would have incredible GDP figures. But it would utterly charmless, and the welfare of the people who live here no better (or even worse).
There does need to be some sort of concerted effort to save pubs, halls. There is a value in social cohesion that doesn't appear on a spreadsheet. For one, it means that you can escape your poxy flat or new build for a few hours.
If you want a concerted effort to save pubs, halls etc, then start by drinking in them. Frequent those establishments and provide them custom.
If you can't be bothered, then don't complain if they go out of business. Put your money where your mouth is and go buy a pint or two. Regularly.
If they had better cycle provision I'd be more likely to buy a pint.
But seriously - I am a regular pub goer and claim to have singlehandedly kept my local pizzeria going during lockdown. I just wish the pints were as cheap as the cans you can buy in Tesco.
Likewise, I love pubs. I am a regular in at least two around me - the Edinboro Castle and the York and Albany - and often stroll to others in Primrose Hill
I visit plenty of pubs further afield. Soho, Hampstead, Highgate, all over London, and I love a country pub, a coastal pub, a historic pub. I even like really down at heel sketchy pubs, they too can have intense character. As @Gardenwalker says, pubs are one of the best things about Britain, and anyone who goes around criminally tearing down 220 year old British pubs with amazing quirks will feel the wrath of many - and rightly
One main reason I haven't drunk in the Crooked House is because I have never been to South Staffs (at least as far as I can recall) so have never had the chance. A stupid argument
I guess the mistske isn't yours then, but that is clearly one pub that needs to be burned down in the interests of Anglo-Scottish relations. Typical North London idiocy.
"The Edinboro Castle is a poncy pub with poncy interior decor and full of poncy people. Somebody else may well say it's a stylish cool pub with stylish cool decor and stylish cool people. So it's horses for courses. But at somepoint - probably when somebody decided to change the name from the "Edinburgh Castle" to the "Edinboro Castle", it became poncy. The other give away is that with their fish & chips (beer battered haddock and "skin-on" chips???) they don't do mushy peas. They do "crushed peas". See what I mean?
... The Edinboro Castle ticks all the "nice" boxes, but I think everything about is poncy, contrived, superficial and self-satisfied. If you're any of those you'll probably quite like it."
Think I'll go there next time I'm in London. (And buy one pint since I'm too poor for London prices)
My Camden friend showed it to me, also some others with Irish, Welsh, English monikers - reportedly the pubs which the navvies used when working on the London & Birmingham Railway 150-ish years ago. The HS2 of its day; needed apartheid in the pubs to prevent murder done almost every night.
Tories need more like him. Instinctive politicians
I believe you can make such an order if and only if you can prove it was deliberately demolished. His letter rather pathetically skirts round the fact that he knows this perfectly well.
I think we can be fairly sure it was “deliberately demolished” as here is the footage of it being deliberately demolished by a great big JCB, a day after the fire.
This all smacks of panic to me. Someone torched it and was frightened by the massive online reaction which got police and politicians involved, now they’ve kicked off an even bigger reaction
It won’t go away now
Ah OK the JCB may have been a mistake. if they have any sense they will have a surveyor's report after the fire saying JFC this buiding is lethally dangerous and needs demolished asap. BUT the point about the Punch Bowl is that it was listed, this is not. Not even sure they needed to torch it, unless they were getting in quick ahead of a fast track listing application (if such a thing is possible).
The Georgian Group was pursuing a quick listing with the support of locals
You’ve got this wrong. It’s definitely a highly suspicious sequence of events. Which also implicates Marathon’s the brewers
No, you have got me wrong. I think it absolutely stinks, but I think they will get away with it.
Mind you it was a fugly building and I don't feel that its loss hugely diminishes me. If people valued it they should have drunk a lot of beer there on a regular basis, and it would still be a pub.
One of the reasons it became less popular as a pub is that there was strangely sustained campaign of fly-tipping alll around it, making it hard to access and sometimes unpleasant to visit: I actually learned that from Gavin Williamson's Facebook page. And then in recent months it was suspiciously attacked so that its kitchen and loos were almost unusable....
It sounds to me like these last few days have merely been the culmination of a years long process of making it unviable as a pub, so it will be sold, so it can then be torched and demolished, and then someone makes an absolute mint turning it all into housing
And for once we as a nation should say No, fuck that, and put these greedy c*nts in jail, as an example. Sorted
This is what's wrong with this country. The building wasn't listed, if the owners wanted to demolish it, they ought to just be able to send in bulldozers and it should be none of anyone else's business.
We have a chronic shortage of housing in this country and any time anyone suggests building on greenfield land people scream out no, redevelop brownfield instead.
Now there's a plot of brownfield land available for redevelopment and there is outrage at that too.
Which is it? Do you want green land developed? Or "brownfield" which means tearing down old buildings, just like this.
And if you want a pub to stay open, best bet is to go and drink there. Not never go then complain an establishment you never drank at has shut down.
I'm sure your UK would have incredible GDP figures. But it would utterly charmless, and the welfare of the people who live here no better (or even worse).
There does need to be some sort of concerted effort to save pubs, halls. There is a value in social cohesion that doesn't appear on a spreadsheet. For one, it means that you can escape your poxy flat or new build for a few hours.
If you want a concerted effort to save pubs, halls etc, then start by drinking in them. Frequent those establishments and provide them custom.
If you can't be bothered, then don't complain if they go out of business. Put your money where your mouth is and go buy a pint or two. Regularly.
If they had better cycle provision I'd be more likely to buy a pint.
But seriously - I am a regular pub goer and claim to have singlehandedly kept my local pizzeria going during lockdown. I just wish the pints were as cheap as the cans you can buy in Tesco.
Likewise, I love pubs. I am a regular in at least two around me - the Edinboro Castle and the York and Albany - and often stroll to others in Primrose Hill
I visit plenty of pubs further afield. Soho, Hampstead, Highgate, all over London, and I love a country pub, a coastal pub, a historic pub. I even like really down at heel sketchy pubs, they too can have intense character. As @Gardenwalker says, pubs are one of the best things about Britain, and anyone who goes around criminally tearing down 220 year old British pubs with amazing quirks will feel the wrath of many - and rightly
One main reason I haven't drunk in the Crooked House is because I have never been to South Staffs (at least as far as I can recall) so have never had the chance. A stupid argument
I guess the mistske isn't yours then, but that is clearly one pub that needs to be burned down in the interests of Anglo-Scottish relations. Typical North London idiocy.
"The Edinboro Castle is a poncy pub with poncy interior decor and full of poncy people. Somebody else may well say it's a stylish cool pub with stylish cool decor and stylish cool people. So it's horses for courses. But at somepoint - probably when somebody decided to change the name from the "Edinburgh Castle" to the "Edinboro Castle", it became poncy. The other give away is that with their fish & chips (beer battered haddock and "skin-on" chips???) they don't do mushy peas. They do "crushed peas". See what I mean?
... The Edinboro Castle ticks all the "nice" boxes, but I think everything about is poncy, contrived, superficial and self-satisfied. If you're any of those you'll probably quite like it."
Tories need more like him. Instinctive politicians
I believe you can make such an order if and only if you can prove it was deliberately demolished. His letter rather pathetically skirts round the fact that he knows this perfectly well.
I think we can be fairly sure it was “deliberately demolished” as here is the footage of it being deliberately demolished by a great big JCB, a day after the fire.
This all smacks of panic to me. Someone torched it and was frightened by the massive online reaction which got police and politicians involved, now they’ve kicked off an even bigger reaction
It won’t go away now
Ah OK the JCB may have been a mistake. if they have any sense they will have a surveyor's report after the fire saying JFC this buiding is lethally dangerous and needs demolished asap. BUT the point about the Punch Bowl is that it was listed, this is not. Not even sure they needed to torch it, unless they were getting in quick ahead of a fast track listing application (if such a thing is possible).
The Georgian Group was pursuing a quick listing with the support of locals
You’ve got this wrong. It’s definitely a highly suspicious sequence of events. Which also implicates Marathon’s the brewers
No, you have got me wrong. I think it absolutely stinks, but I think they will get away with it.
Mind you it was a fugly building and I don't feel that its loss hugely diminishes me. If people valued it they should have drunk a lot of beer there on a regular basis, and it would still be a pub.
One of the reasons it became less popular as a pub is that there was strangely sustained campaign of fly-tipping alll around it, making it hard to access and sometimes unpleasant to visit: I actually learned that from Gavin Williamson's Facebook page. And then in recent months it was suspiciously attacked so that its kitchen and loos were almost unusable....
It sounds to me like these last few days have merely been the culmination of a years long process of making it unviable as a pub, so it will be sold, so it can then be torched and demolished, and then someone makes an absolute mint turning it all into housing
And for once we as a nation should say No, fuck that, and put these greedy c*nts in jail, as an example. Sorted
This is what's wrong with this country. The building wasn't listed, if the owners wanted to demolish it, they ought to just be able to send in bulldozers and it should be none of anyone else's business.
We have a chronic shortage of housing in this country and any time anyone suggests building on greenfield land people scream out no, redevelop brownfield instead.
Now there's a plot of brownfield land available for redevelopment and there is outrage at that too.
Which is it? Do you want green land developed? Or "brownfield" which means tearing down old buildings, just like this.
And if you want a pub to stay open, best bet is to go and drink there. Not never go then complain an establishment you never drank at has shut down.
I'm sure your UK would have incredible GDP figures. But it would utterly charmless, and the welfare of the people who live here no better (or even worse).
There does need to be some sort of concerted effort to save pubs, halls. There is a value in social cohesion that doesn't appear on a spreadsheet. For one, it means that you can escape your poxy flat or new build for a few hours.
If you want a concerted effort to save pubs, halls etc, then start by drinking in them. Frequent those establishments and provide them custom.
If you can't be bothered, then don't complain if they go out of business. Put your money where your mouth is and go buy a pint or two. Regularly.
If they had better cycle provision I'd be more likely to buy a pint.
But seriously - I am a regular pub goer and claim to have singlehandedly kept my local pizzeria going during lockdown. I just wish the pints were as cheap as the cans you can buy in Tesco.
Likewise, I love pubs. I am a regular in at least two around me - the Edinboro Castle and the York and Albany - and often stroll to others in Primrose Hill
I visit plenty of pubs further afield. Soho, Hampstead, Highgate, all over London, and I love a country pub, a coastal pub, a historic pub. I even like really down at heel sketchy pubs, they too can have intense character. As @Gardenwalker says, pubs are one of the best things about Britain, and anyone who goes around criminally tearing down 220 year old British pubs with amazing quirks will feel the wrath of many - and rightly
One main reason I haven't drunk in the Crooked House is because I have never been to South Staffs (at least as far as I can recall) so have never had the chance. A stupid argument
I guess the mistske isn't yours then, but that is clearly one pub that needs to be burned down in the interests of Anglo-Scottish relations. Typical North London idiocy.
"The Edinboro Castle is a poncy pub with poncy interior decor and full of poncy people. Somebody else may well say it's a stylish cool pub with stylish cool decor and stylish cool people. So it's horses for courses. But at somepoint - probably when somebody decided to change the name from the "Edinburgh Castle" to the "Edinboro Castle", it became poncy. The other give away is that with their fish & chips (beer battered haddock and "skin-on" chips???) they don't do mushy peas. They do "crushed peas". See what I mean?
... The Edinboro Castle ticks all the "nice" boxes, but I think everything about is poncy, contrived, superficial and self-satisfied. If you're any of those you'll probably quite like it."
Tories need more like him. Instinctive politicians
I believe you can make such an order if and only if you can prove it was deliberately demolished. His letter rather pathetically skirts round the fact that he knows this perfectly well.
I think we can be fairly sure it was “deliberately demolished” as here is the footage of it being deliberately demolished by a great big JCB, a day after the fire.
This all smacks of panic to me. Someone torched it and was frightened by the massive online reaction which got police and politicians involved, now they’ve kicked off an even bigger reaction
It won’t go away now
Ah OK the JCB may have been a mistake. if they have any sense they will have a surveyor's report after the fire saying JFC this buiding is lethally dangerous and needs demolished asap. BUT the point about the Punch Bowl is that it was listed, this is not. Not even sure they needed to torch it, unless they were getting in quick ahead of a fast track listing application (if such a thing is possible).
The Georgian Group was pursuing a quick listing with the support of locals
You’ve got this wrong. It’s definitely a highly suspicious sequence of events. Which also implicates Marathon’s the brewers
No, you have got me wrong. I think it absolutely stinks, but I think they will get away with it.
Mind you it was a fugly building and I don't feel that its loss hugely diminishes me. If people valued it they should have drunk a lot of beer there on a regular basis, and it would still be a pub.
One of the reasons it became less popular as a pub is that there was strangely sustained campaign of fly-tipping alll around it, making it hard to access and sometimes unpleasant to visit: I actually learned that from Gavin Williamson's Facebook page. And then in recent months it was suspiciously attacked so that its kitchen and loos were almost unusable....
It sounds to me like these last few days have merely been the culmination of a years long process of making it unviable as a pub, so it will be sold, so it can then be torched and demolished, and then someone makes an absolute mint turning it all into housing
And for once we as a nation should say No, fuck that, and put these greedy c*nts in jail, as an example. Sorted
This is what's wrong with this country. The building wasn't listed, if the owners wanted to demolish it, they ought to just be able to send in bulldozers and it should be none of anyone else's business.
We have a chronic shortage of housing in this country and any time anyone suggests building on greenfield land people scream out no, redevelop brownfield instead.
Now there's a plot of brownfield land available for redevelopment and there is outrage at that too.
Which is it? Do you want green land developed? Or "brownfield" which means tearing down old buildings, just like this.
And if you want a pub to stay open, best bet is to go and drink there. Not never go then complain an establishment you never drank at has shut down.
I'm sure your UK would have incredible GDP figures. But it would utterly charmless, and the welfare of the people who live here no better (or even worse).
There does need to be some sort of concerted effort to save pubs, halls. There is a value in social cohesion that doesn't appear on a spreadsheet. For one, it means that you can escape your poxy flat or new build for a few hours.
If you want a concerted effort to save pubs, halls etc, then start by drinking in them. Frequent those establishments and provide them custom.
If you can't be bothered, then don't complain if they go out of business. Put your money where your mouth is and go buy a pint or two. Regularly.
If they had better cycle provision I'd be more likely to buy a pint.
But seriously - I am a regular pub goer and claim to have singlehandedly kept my local pizzeria going during lockdown. I just wish the pints were as cheap as the cans you can buy in Tesco.
Likewise, I love pubs. I am a regular in at least two around me - the Edinboro Castle and the York and Albany - and often stroll to others in Primrose Hill
I visit plenty of pubs further afield. Soho, Hampstead, Highgate, all over London, and I love a country pub, a coastal pub, a historic pub. I even like really down at heel sketchy pubs, they too can have intense character. As @Gardenwalker says, pubs are one of the best things about Britain, and anyone who goes around criminally tearing down 220 year old British pubs with amazing quirks will feel the wrath of many - and rightly
One main reason I haven't drunk in the Crooked House is because I have never been to South Staffs (at least as far as I can recall) so have never had the chance. A stupid argument
I guess the mistske isn't yours then, but that is clearly one pub that needs to be burned down in the interests of Anglo-Scottish relations. Typical North London idiocy.
"The Edinboro Castle is a poncy pub with poncy interior decor and full of poncy people. Somebody else may well say it's a stylish cool pub with stylish cool decor and stylish cool people. So it's horses for courses. But at somepoint - probably when somebody decided to change the name from the "Edinburgh Castle" to the "Edinboro Castle", it became poncy. The other give away is that with their fish & chips (beer battered haddock and "skin-on" chips???) they don't do mushy peas. They do "crushed peas". See what I mean?
... The Edinboro Castle ticks all the "nice" boxes, but I think everything about is poncy, contrived, superficial and self-satisfied. If you're any of those you'll probably quite like it."
This farcical update from the Mary Rose museum which uses various objects in its collection to bang on, utterly tangentially, about queer identity and being non-binary.
I like the comment "And they don't even have the guts to say "a bunch of sailors would have been buggering each other senseless on a long voyage, out of sheer boredom if nothing else.""
Reminded of Winston Churchill's comment about naval tradition - "it's all rum, bum and the lash".
Might this explain @Dura_Ace 's anger? Or were the Fleet Air Arm above all that kind of stuff?
Well, while "hello, sailor" is proverbial, I must admit I've never heard of "hello, airman".
I'm sure DA will confirm, but I'm pretty sure FAA lads are of the very strong opinion that they're sailors. How much bum goes with it I don't know.
Mind, when the RAF supplied the FAA in the between war years, there must have been some interesting cultural clashes between the matelots and the crab-fat types.
Tories need more like him. Instinctive politicians
I believe you can make such an order if and only if you can prove it was deliberately demolished. His letter rather pathetically skirts round the fact that he knows this perfectly well.
I think we can be fairly sure it was “deliberately demolished” as here is the footage of it being deliberately demolished by a great big JCB, a day after the fire.
This all smacks of panic to me. Someone torched it and was frightened by the massive online reaction which got police and politicians involved, now they’ve kicked off an even bigger reaction
It won’t go away now
Ah OK the JCB may have been a mistake. if they have any sense they will have a surveyor's report after the fire saying JFC this buiding is lethally dangerous and needs demolished asap. BUT the point about the Punch Bowl is that it was listed, this is not. Not even sure they needed to torch it, unless they were getting in quick ahead of a fast track listing application (if such a thing is possible).
The Georgian Group was pursuing a quick listing with the support of locals
You’ve got this wrong. It’s definitely a highly suspicious sequence of events. Which also implicates Marathon’s the brewers
No, you have got me wrong. I think it absolutely stinks, but I think they will get away with it.
Mind you it was a fugly building and I don't feel that its loss hugely diminishes me. If people valued it they should have drunk a lot of beer there on a regular basis, and it would still be a pub.
One of the reasons it became less popular as a pub is that there was strangely sustained campaign of fly-tipping alll around it, making it hard to access and sometimes unpleasant to visit: I actually learned that from Gavin Williamson's Facebook page. And then in recent months it was suspiciously attacked so that its kitchen and loos were almost unusable....
It sounds to me like these last few days have merely been the culmination of a years long process of making it unviable as a pub, so it will be sold, so it can then be torched and demolished, and then someone makes an absolute mint turning it all into housing
And for once we as a nation should say No, fuck that, and put these greedy c*nts in jail, as an example. Sorted
This is what's wrong with this country. The building wasn't listed, if the owners wanted to demolish it, they ought to just be able to send in bulldozers and it should be none of anyone else's business.
We have a chronic shortage of housing in this country and any time anyone suggests building on greenfield land people scream out no, redevelop brownfield instead.
Now there's a plot of brownfield land available for redevelopment and there is outrage at that too.
Which is it? Do you want green land developed? Or "brownfield" which means tearing down old buildings, just like this.
And if you want a pub to stay open, best bet is to go and drink there. Not never go then complain an establishment you never drank at has shut down.
I'm sure your UK would have incredible GDP figures. But it would utterly charmless, and the welfare of the people who live here no better (or even worse).
There does need to be some sort of concerted effort to save pubs, halls. There is a value in social cohesion that doesn't appear on a spreadsheet. For one, it means that you can escape your poxy flat or new build for a few hours.
If you want a concerted effort to save pubs, halls etc, then start by drinking in them. Frequent those establishments and provide them custom.
If you can't be bothered, then don't complain if they go out of business. Put your money where your mouth is and go buy a pint or two. Regularly.
If they had better cycle provision I'd be more likely to buy a pint.
But seriously - I am a regular pub goer and claim to have singlehandedly kept my local pizzeria going during lockdown. I just wish the pints were as cheap as the cans you can buy in Tesco.
Likewise, I love pubs. I am a regular in at least two around me - the Edinboro Castle and the York and Albany - and often stroll to others in Primrose Hill
I visit plenty of pubs further afield. Soho, Hampstead, Highgate, all over London, and I love a country pub, a coastal pub, a historic pub. I even like really down at heel sketchy pubs, they too can have intense character. As @Gardenwalker says, pubs are one of the best things about Britain, and anyone who goes around criminally tearing down 220 year old British pubs with amazing quirks will feel the wrath of many - and rightly
One main reason I haven't drunk in the Crooked House is because I have never been to South Staffs (at least as far as I can recall) so have never had the chance. A stupid argument
I guess the mistske isn't yours then, but that is clearly one pub that needs to be burned down in the interests of Anglo-Scottish relations. Typical North London idiocy.
"The Edinboro Castle is a poncy pub with poncy interior decor and full of poncy people. Somebody else may well say it's a stylish cool pub with stylish cool decor and stylish cool people. So it's horses for courses. But at somepoint - probably when somebody decided to change the name from the "Edinburgh Castle" to the "Edinboro Castle", it became poncy. The other give away is that with their fish & chips (beer battered haddock and "skin-on" chips???) they don't do mushy peas. They do "crushed peas". See what I mean?
... The Edinboro Castle ticks all the "nice" boxes, but I think everything about is poncy, contrived, superficial and self-satisfied. If you're any of those you'll probably quite like it."
Think I'll go there next time I'm in London. (And buy one pint since I'm too poor for London prices)
My Camden friend showed it to me, also some others with Irish, Welsh, English monikers - reportedly the pubs which the navvies used when working on the London & Birmingham Railway 150-ish years ago. The HS2 of its day; needed apartheid in the pubs to prevent murder done almost every night.
An urban myth according to my internet research on this abominably named pub.
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
...@BartholomewRoberts who wants to turn every inch of Britian into red brick semi detached Barratt homes...
Better known as "places where people want to live"
Evidence?
I want to live in one.
I realise everybody on PB these days is spectacularly bloody rich and/or lives outside the UK and/or flits between nations like a deranged drug-addled frog, and hence have houses tailored to their no-doubt exquisite tastes, but there do exist [checks notes] millions of people who would like to live in something like a Brookside house rather than increasingly-smaller boxes inflicted on them by a Government and decadent upper-middle classes who are perfectly happy to import millions of people to replace them when they get uppity.
Sounds like you need to work through some issues, to be honest.
The number one issue being that there aren't enough homes in this country and we need millions more.
Barratt are at least doing something about it, ensuring many families can achieve their dream of having a home of their own.
That may not be good enough for you, but it is for millions of others. And the homes they build get snapped up, which is evidence their homes are wanted - even if you think it's only because there's no other alternatives.
I'd love to see our planning system reformed so we don't rely on developers like Barratt but unless or until it happens at least they're building homes. Which is what is needed.
Though I did notice this story the other day. Looks as if they are short of trained craftspeople. I wonder why?
The planning system means they don't face enough competition. In a more competitive system people would have more choice and could turn down inferior homes.
But if there is no alternative, then people end up having to want their only option.
Tories need more like him. Instinctive politicians
I believe you can make such an order if and only if you can prove it was deliberately demolished. His letter rather pathetically skirts round the fact that he knows this perfectly well.
I think we can be fairly sure it was “deliberately demolished” as here is the footage of it being deliberately demolished by a great big JCB, a day after the fire.
This all smacks of panic to me. Someone torched it and was frightened by the massive online reaction which got police and politicians involved, now they’ve kicked off an even bigger reaction
It won’t go away now
Ah OK the JCB may have been a mistake. if they have any sense they will have a surveyor's report after the fire saying JFC this buiding is lethally dangerous and needs demolished asap. BUT the point about the Punch Bowl is that it was listed, this is not. Not even sure they needed to torch it, unless they were getting in quick ahead of a fast track listing application (if such a thing is possible).
The Georgian Group was pursuing a quick listing with the support of locals
You’ve got this wrong. It’s definitely a highly suspicious sequence of events. Which also implicates Marathon’s the brewers
No, you have got me wrong. I think it absolutely stinks, but I think they will get away with it.
Mind you it was a fugly building and I don't feel that its loss hugely diminishes me. If people valued it they should have drunk a lot of beer there on a regular basis, and it would still be a pub.
One of the reasons it became less popular as a pub is that there was strangely sustained campaign of fly-tipping alll around it, making it hard to access and sometimes unpleasant to visit: I actually learned that from Gavin Williamson's Facebook page. And then in recent months it was suspiciously attacked so that its kitchen and loos were almost unusable....
It sounds to me like these last few days have merely been the culmination of a years long process of making it unviable as a pub, so it will be sold, so it can then be torched and demolished, and then someone makes an absolute mint turning it all into housing
And for once we as a nation should say No, fuck that, and put these greedy c*nts in jail, as an example. Sorted
This is what's wrong with this country. The building wasn't listed, if the owners wanted to demolish it, they ought to just be able to send in bulldozers and it should be none of anyone else's business.
We have a chronic shortage of housing in this country and any time anyone suggests building on greenfield land people scream out no, redevelop brownfield instead.
Now there's a plot of brownfield land available for redevelopment and there is outrage at that too.
Which is it? Do you want green land developed? Or "brownfield" which means tearing down old buildings, just like this.
And if you want a pub to stay open, best bet is to go and drink there. Not never go then complain an establishment you never drank at has shut down.
I'm sure your UK would have incredible GDP figures. But it would utterly charmless, and the welfare of the people who live here no better (or even worse).
There does need to be some sort of concerted effort to save pubs, halls. There is a value in social cohesion that doesn't appear on a spreadsheet. For one, it means that you can escape your poxy flat or new build for a few hours.
If you want a concerted effort to save pubs, halls etc, then start by drinking in them. Frequent those establishments and provide them custom.
If you can't be bothered, then don't complain if they go out of business. Put your money where your mouth is and go buy a pint or two. Regularly.
If they had better cycle provision I'd be more likely to buy a pint.
But seriously - I am a regular pub goer and claim to have singlehandedly kept my local pizzeria going during lockdown. I just wish the pints were as cheap as the cans you can buy in Tesco.
Likewise, I love pubs. I am a regular in at least two around me - the Edinboro Castle and the York and Albany - and often stroll to others in Primrose Hill
I visit plenty of pubs further afield. Soho, Hampstead, Highgate, all over London, and I love a country pub, a coastal pub, a historic pub. I even like really down at heel sketchy pubs, they too can have intense character. As @Gardenwalker says, pubs are one of the best things about Britain, and anyone who goes around criminally tearing down 220 year old British pubs with amazing quirks will feel the wrath of many - and rightly
One main reason I haven't drunk in the Crooked House is because I have never been to South Staffs (at least as far as I can recall) so have never had the chance. A stupid argument
I guess the mistske isn't yours then, but that is clearly one pub that needs to be burned down in the interests of Anglo-Scottish relations. Typical North London idiocy.
"The Edinboro Castle is a poncy pub with poncy interior decor and full of poncy people. Somebody else may well say it's a stylish cool pub with stylish cool decor and stylish cool people. So it's horses for courses. But at somepoint - probably when somebody decided to change the name from the "Edinburgh Castle" to the "Edinboro Castle", it became poncy. The other give away is that with their fish & chips (beer battered haddock and "skin-on" chips???) they don't do mushy peas. They do "crushed peas". See what I mean?
... The Edinboro Castle ticks all the "nice" boxes, but I think everything about is poncy, contrived, superficial and self-satisfied. If you're any of those you'll probably quite like it."
If you knew anything about pubs - which you clearly don't - you would know it has been spelt that way for decades and, more inportantly, has one of the airiest interiors and biggest beer gardens in north London, maybe in all of London. As for being "contrived", it is about 160 years old, built for the navvies that built the railways right next door
It is a cracking pub, one that anyone would be delighted to call a local. It is 50 seconds walk from my flat. I love it
And the food used to be desperately shit, and is now notably pleasant
...@BartholomewRoberts who wants to turn every inch of Britian into red brick semi detached Barratt homes...
Better known as "places where people want to live"
Evidence?
I want to live in one.
I realise everybody on PB these days is spectacularly bloody rich and/or lives outside the UK and/or flits between nations like a deranged drug-addled frog, and hence have houses tailored to their no-doubt exquisite tastes, but there do exist [checks notes] millions of people who would like to live in something like a Brookside house rather than increasingly-smaller boxes inflicted on them by a Government and decadent upper-middle classes who are perfectly happy to import millions of people to replace them when they get uppity.
Always great to see the great replacement theory getting an airing.
I assume the great replacement theory is some nutty conspiracy thing: believe it or not I leave such things to my taxi drivers, who really can rant. I was speaking of my personal observation of the joy that was exhibited on PB when it was revealed in the Grauniad that the UK was planning to import about a million people per year to keep wages down, with people nodding in delight that GDP (the wrong statistic) will be kept high and one person even saying that Sunak was good by "looking at the big picture". Why the heck you expect me to like that setup I have no idea.
...@BartholomewRoberts who wants to turn every inch of Britian into red brick semi detached Barratt homes...
Better known as "places where people want to live"
Evidence?
I want to live in one.
I realise everybody on PB these days is spectacularly bloody rich and/or lives outside the UK and/or flits between nations like a deranged drug-addled frog, and hence have houses tailored to their no-doubt exquisite tastes, but there do exist [checks notes] millions of people who would like to live in something like a Brookside house rather than increasingly-smaller boxes inflicted on them by a Government and decadent upper-middle classes who are perfectly happy to import millions of people to replace them when they get uppity.
Sounds like you need to work through some issues, to be honest.
The number one issue being that there aren't enough homes in this country and we need millions more.
Barratt are at least doing something about it, ensuring many families can achieve their dream of having a home of their own.
That may not be good enough for you, but it is for millions of others. And the homes they build get snapped up, which is evidence their homes are wanted - even if you think it's only because there's no other alternatives.
I'd love to see our planning system reformed so we don't rely on developers like Barratt but unless or until it happens at least they're building homes. Which is what is needed.
I thought everywhere had to be new roads, this week?
Tories need more like him. Instinctive politicians
I believe you can make such an order if and only if you can prove it was deliberately demolished. His letter rather pathetically skirts round the fact that he knows this perfectly well.
I think we can be fairly sure it was “deliberately demolished” as here is the footage of it being deliberately demolished by a great big JCB, a day after the fire.
This all smacks of panic to me. Someone torched it and was frightened by the massive online reaction which got police and politicians involved, now they’ve kicked off an even bigger reaction
It won’t go away now
Ah OK the JCB may have been a mistake. if they have any sense they will have a surveyor's report after the fire saying JFC this buiding is lethally dangerous and needs demolished asap. BUT the point about the Punch Bowl is that it was listed, this is not. Not even sure they needed to torch it, unless they were getting in quick ahead of a fast track listing application (if such a thing is possible).
The Georgian Group was pursuing a quick listing with the support of locals
You’ve got this wrong. It’s definitely a highly suspicious sequence of events. Which also implicates Marathon’s the brewers
No, you have got me wrong. I think it absolutely stinks, but I think they will get away with it.
Mind you it was a fugly building and I don't feel that its loss hugely diminishes me. If people valued it they should have drunk a lot of beer there on a regular basis, and it would still be a pub.
One of the reasons it became less popular as a pub is that there was strangely sustained campaign of fly-tipping alll around it, making it hard to access and sometimes unpleasant to visit: I actually learned that from Gavin Williamson's Facebook page. And then in recent months it was suspiciously attacked so that its kitchen and loos were almost unusable....
It sounds to me like these last few days have merely been the culmination of a years long process of making it unviable as a pub, so it will be sold, so it can then be torched and demolished, and then someone makes an absolute mint turning it all into housing
And for once we as a nation should say No, fuck that, and put these greedy c*nts in jail, as an example. Sorted
This is what's wrong with this country. The building wasn't listed, if the owners wanted to demolish it, they ought to just be able to send in bulldozers and it should be none of anyone else's business.
We have a chronic shortage of housing in this country and any time anyone suggests building on greenfield land people scream out no, redevelop brownfield instead.
Now there's a plot of brownfield land available for redevelopment and there is outrage at that too.
Which is it? Do you want green land developed? Or "brownfield" which means tearing down old buildings, just like this.
And if you want a pub to stay open, best bet is to go and drink there. Not never go then complain an establishment you never drank at has shut down.
I'm sure your UK would have incredible GDP figures. But it would utterly charmless, and the welfare of the people who live here no better (or even worse).
There does need to be some sort of concerted effort to save pubs, halls. There is a value in social cohesion that doesn't appear on a spreadsheet. For one, it means that you can escape your poxy flat or new build for a few hours.
If you want a concerted effort to save pubs, halls etc, then start by drinking in them. Frequent those establishments and provide them custom.
If you can't be bothered, then don't complain if they go out of business. Put your money where your mouth is and go buy a pint or two. Regularly.
If they had better cycle provision I'd be more likely to buy a pint.
But seriously - I am a regular pub goer and claim to have singlehandedly kept my local pizzeria going during lockdown. I just wish the pints were as cheap as the cans you can buy in Tesco.
Likewise, I love pubs. I am a regular in at least two around me - the Edinboro Castle and the York and Albany - and often stroll to others in Primrose Hill
I visit plenty of pubs further afield. Soho, Hampstead, Highgate, all over London, and I love a country pub, a coastal pub, a historic pub. I even like really down at heel sketchy pubs, they too can have intense character. As @Gardenwalker says, pubs are one of the best things about Britain, and anyone who goes around criminally tearing down 220 year old British pubs with amazing quirks will feel the wrath of many - and rightly
One main reason I haven't drunk in the Crooked House is because I have never been to South Staffs (at least as far as I can recall) so have never had the chance. A stupid argument
I guess the mistske isn't yours then, but that is clearly one pub that needs to be burned down in the interests of Anglo-Scottish relations. Typical North London idiocy.
"The Edinboro Castle is a poncy pub with poncy interior decor and full of poncy people. Somebody else may well say it's a stylish cool pub with stylish cool decor and stylish cool people. So it's horses for courses. But at somepoint - probably when somebody decided to change the name from the "Edinburgh Castle" to the "Edinboro Castle", it became poncy. The other give away is that with their fish & chips (beer battered haddock and "skin-on" chips???) they don't do mushy peas. They do "crushed peas". See what I mean?
... The Edinboro Castle ticks all the "nice" boxes, but I think everything about is poncy, contrived, superficial and self-satisfied. If you're any of those you'll probably quite like it."
If you knew anything about pubs - which you clearly don't - you would know it has been spelt that way for decades and, more inportantly, has one of the airiest interiors and biggest beer gardens in north London, maybe in all of London. As for being "contrived", it is about 160 years old, built for the navvies that built the railways right next door
It is a cracking pub, one that anyone would be delighted to call a local. It is 50 seconds walk from my flat. I love it
And the food used to be desperately shit, and is now notably pleasant
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
Do you know any spastic frogs? Are they easily offended, as a rule?
OK I have changed my mind, officially cross about this now.
I hope they didn't realise how clever forensics is about investigating fires these days.
One other item for the timeline is that about a month ago the Crooked House had to close following a "burglary" in which nothing was stolen but a lot of damage was caused. Let's hope the police will be investigating all the events leading up to its becoming a pile of bricks, and bringing those responsible to justice.
Tbf the owners seemed to have given fair warning on their website, just got the date wrong:
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
Do you know any spastic frogs? Are they easily offended, as a rule?
Even so: best not used, for the reason given.
Suggest 'pithed frog'. What is, or used to be, done to frogs in A level biology etc.
...@BartholomewRoberts who wants to turn every inch of Britian into red brick semi detached Barratt homes...
Better known as "places where people want to live"
Evidence?
I want to live in one.
I realise everybody on PB these days is spectacularly bloody rich and/or lives outside the UK and/or flits between nations like a deranged drug-addled frog, and hence have houses tailored to their no-doubt exquisite tastes, but there do exist [checks notes] millions of people who would like to live in something like a Brookside house rather than increasingly-smaller boxes inflicted on them by a Government and decadent upper-middle classes who are perfectly happy to import millions of people to replace them when they get uppity.
Always great to see the great replacement theory getting an airing.
I assume the great replacement theory is some nutty conspiracy thing: believe it or not I leave such things to my taxi drivers, who really can rant. I was speaking of my personal observation of the joy that was exhibited on PB when it was revealed in the Grauniad that the UK was planning to import about a million people per year to keep wages down, with people nodding in delight that GDP (the wrong statistic) will be kept high and one person even saying that Sunak was good by "looking at the big picture". Why the heck you expect me to like that setup I have no idea.
Your comment was addressed to me though and I don’t think I’ve ever suggested Sunak was good at anything except his instagram game.
...@BartholomewRoberts who wants to turn every inch of Britian into red brick semi detached Barratt homes...
Better known as "places where people want to live"
Evidence?
I want to live in one.
I realise everybody on PB these days is spectacularly bloody rich and/or lives outside the UK and/or flits between nations like a deranged drug-addled frog, and hence have houses tailored to their no-doubt exquisite tastes, but there do exist [checks notes] millions of people who would like to live in something like a Brookside house rather than increasingly-smaller boxes inflicted on them by a Government and decadent upper-middle classes who are perfectly happy to import millions of people to replace them when they get uppity.
Sounds like you need to work through some issues, to be honest.
The number one issue being that there aren't enough homes in this country and we need millions more.
Barratt are at least doing something about it, ensuring many families can achieve their dream of having a home of their own.
That may not be good enough for you, but it is for millions of others. And the homes they build get snapped up, which is evidence their homes are wanted - even if you think it's only because there's no other alternatives.
I'd love to see our planning system reformed so we don't rely on developers like Barratt but unless or until it happens at least they're building homes. Which is what is needed.
I thought everywhere had to be new roads, this week?
Why is it either/or?
We obviously need both.
Our population has gone up. That means we need more houses AND more infrastructure (roads). Not just one of them.
And for every year our population continues to rise, we need more houses, and more roads.
Tories need more like him. Instinctive politicians
I believe you can make such an order if and only if you can prove it was deliberately demolished. His letter rather pathetically skirts round the fact that he knows this perfectly well.
I think we can be fairly sure it was “deliberately demolished” as here is the footage of it being deliberately demolished by a great big JCB, a day after the fire.
This all smacks of panic to me. Someone torched it and was frightened by the massive online reaction which got police and politicians involved, now they’ve kicked off an even bigger reaction
It won’t go away now
Ah OK the JCB may have been a mistake. if they have any sense they will have a surveyor's report after the fire saying JFC this buiding is lethally dangerous and needs demolished asap. BUT the point about the Punch Bowl is that it was listed, this is not. Not even sure they needed to torch it, unless they were getting in quick ahead of a fast track listing application (if such a thing is possible).
The Georgian Group was pursuing a quick listing with the support of locals
You’ve got this wrong. It’s definitely a highly suspicious sequence of events. Which also implicates Marathon’s the brewers
No, you have got me wrong. I think it absolutely stinks, but I think they will get away with it.
Mind you it was a fugly building and I don't feel that its loss hugely diminishes me. If people valued it they should have drunk a lot of beer there on a regular basis, and it would still be a pub.
One of the reasons it became less popular as a pub is that there was strangely sustained campaign of fly-tipping alll around it, making it hard to access and sometimes unpleasant to visit: I actually learned that from Gavin Williamson's Facebook page. And then in recent months it was suspiciously attacked so that its kitchen and loos were almost unusable....
It sounds to me like these last few days have merely been the culmination of a years long process of making it unviable as a pub, so it will be sold, so it can then be torched and demolished, and then someone makes an absolute mint turning it all into housing
And for once we as a nation should say No, fuck that, and put these greedy c*nts in jail, as an example. Sorted
This is what's wrong with this country. The building wasn't listed, if the owners wanted to demolish it, they ought to just be able to send in bulldozers and it should be none of anyone else's business.
We have a chronic shortage of housing in this country and any time anyone suggests building on greenfield land people scream out no, redevelop brownfield instead.
Now there's a plot of brownfield land available for redevelopment and there is outrage at that too.
Which is it? Do you want green land developed? Or "brownfield" which means tearing down old buildings, just like this.
And if you want a pub to stay open, best bet is to go and drink there. Not never go then complain an establishment you never drank at has shut down.
I'm sure your UK would have incredible GDP figures. But it would utterly charmless, and the welfare of the people who live here no better (or even worse).
There does need to be some sort of concerted effort to save pubs, halls. There is a value in social cohesion that doesn't appear on a spreadsheet. For one, it means that you can escape your poxy flat or new build for a few hours.
If you want a concerted effort to save pubs, halls etc, then start by drinking in them. Frequent those establishments and provide them custom.
If you can't be bothered, then don't complain if they go out of business. Put your money where your mouth is and go buy a pint or two. Regularly.
If they had better cycle provision I'd be more likely to buy a pint.
But seriously - I am a regular pub goer and claim to have singlehandedly kept my local pizzeria going during lockdown. I just wish the pints were as cheap as the cans you can buy in Tesco.
Likewise, I love pubs. I am a regular in at least two around me - the Edinboro Castle and the York and Albany - and often stroll to others in Primrose Hill
I visit plenty of pubs further afield. Soho, Hampstead, Highgate, all over London, and I love a country pub, a coastal pub, a historic pub. I even like really down at heel sketchy pubs, they too can have intense character. As @Gardenwalker says, pubs are one of the best things about Britain, and anyone who goes around criminally tearing down 220 year old British pubs with amazing quirks will feel the wrath of many - and rightly
One main reason I haven't drunk in the Crooked House is because I have never been to South Staffs (at least as far as I can recall) so have never had the chance. A stupid argument
I guess the mistske isn't yours then, but that is clearly one pub that needs to be burned down in the interests of Anglo-Scottish relations. Typical North London idiocy.
"The Edinboro Castle is a poncy pub with poncy interior decor and full of poncy people. Somebody else may well say it's a stylish cool pub with stylish cool decor and stylish cool people. So it's horses for courses. But at somepoint - probably when somebody decided to change the name from the "Edinburgh Castle" to the "Edinboro Castle", it became poncy. The other give away is that with their fish & chips (beer battered haddock and "skin-on" chips???) they don't do mushy peas. They do "crushed peas". See what I mean?
... The Edinboro Castle ticks all the "nice" boxes, but I think everything about is poncy, contrived, superficial and self-satisfied. If you're any of those you'll probably quite like it."
Think I'll go there next time I'm in London. (And buy one pint since I'm too poor for London prices)
My Camden friend showed it to me, also some others with Irish, Welsh, English monikers - reportedly the pubs which the navvies used when working on the London & Birmingham Railway 150-ish years ago. The HS2 of its day; needed apartheid in the pubs to prevent murder done almost every night.
Some or all of these pubs were built for navvies, but it is probably an urban myth that they were separated off to stop fights.Tho I have no doubt lots of fights took place
Edinboro is the best of them (as a pub); Dublin is rightly famous for music (some amazing stars have played there); Pembroke is posh and Primrose Hill, and pleasant
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
Do you know any spastic frogs? Are they easily offended, as a rule?
Even so: best not used, for the reason given.
Suggest 'pithed frog'. What is, or used to be, done to frogs in A level biology etc.
Don’t be so feeble. Spastic, like retarded, is due for a revival.
Nobody knows what pithed means. I still don’t, despite reading your post.
Given all the crap boring buildings that are listed, why was the rather unusual, interesting, historic Crooked House not listed?
Probably because it’s in an unfashionable part of the country.
(Which seems to me even more reason to preserve it, in a way. There’s a certain right wing view which suggests that poor people and provincials don’t deserve/cannot appreciate heritage buildings).
Tories need more like him. Instinctive politicians
I believe you can make such an order if and only if you can prove it was deliberately demolished. His letter rather pathetically skirts round the fact that he knows this perfectly well.
I think we can be fairly sure it was “deliberately demolished” as here is the footage of it being deliberately demolished by a great big JCB, a day after the fire.
This all smacks of panic to me. Someone torched it and was frightened by the massive online reaction which got police and politicians involved, now they’ve kicked off an even bigger reaction
It won’t go away now
Ah OK the JCB may have been a mistake. if they have any sense they will have a surveyor's report after the fire saying JFC this buiding is lethally dangerous and needs demolished asap. BUT the point about the Punch Bowl is that it was listed, this is not. Not even sure they needed to torch it, unless they were getting in quick ahead of a fast track listing application (if such a thing is possible).
The Georgian Group was pursuing a quick listing with the support of locals
You’ve got this wrong. It’s definitely a highly suspicious sequence of events. Which also implicates Marathon’s the brewers
No, you have got me wrong. I think it absolutely stinks, but I think they will get away with it.
Mind you it was a fugly building and I don't feel that its loss hugely diminishes me. If people valued it they should have drunk a lot of beer there on a regular basis, and it would still be a pub.
One of the reasons it became less popular as a pub is that there was strangely sustained campaign of fly-tipping alll around it, making it hard to access and sometimes unpleasant to visit: I actually learned that from Gavin Williamson's Facebook page. And then in recent months it was suspiciously attacked so that its kitchen and loos were almost unusable....
It sounds to me like these last few days have merely been the culmination of a years long process of making it unviable as a pub, so it will be sold, so it can then be torched and demolished, and then someone makes an absolute mint turning it all into housing
And for once we as a nation should say No, fuck that, and put these greedy c*nts in jail, as an example. Sorted
This is what's wrong with this country. The building wasn't listed, if the owners wanted to demolish it, they ought to just be able to send in bulldozers and it should be none of anyone else's business.
We have a chronic shortage of housing in this country and any time anyone suggests building on greenfield land people scream out no, redevelop brownfield instead.
Now there's a plot of brownfield land available for redevelopment and there is outrage at that too.
Which is it? Do you want green land developed? Or "brownfield" which means tearing down old buildings, just like this.
And if you want a pub to stay open, best bet is to go and drink there. Not never go then complain an establishment you never drank at has shut down.
I'm sure your UK would have incredible GDP figures. But it would utterly charmless, and the welfare of the people who live here no better (or even worse).
There does need to be some sort of concerted effort to save pubs, halls. There is a value in social cohesion that doesn't appear on a spreadsheet. For one, it means that you can escape your poxy flat or new build for a few hours.
If you want a concerted effort to save pubs, halls etc, then start by drinking in them. Frequent those establishments and provide them custom.
If you can't be bothered, then don't complain if they go out of business. Put your money where your mouth is and go buy a pint or two. Regularly.
If they had better cycle provision I'd be more likely to buy a pint.
But seriously - I am a regular pub goer and claim to have singlehandedly kept my local pizzeria going during lockdown. I just wish the pints were as cheap as the cans you can buy in Tesco.
Likewise, I love pubs. I am a regular in at least two around me - the Edinboro Castle and the York and Albany - and often stroll to others in Primrose Hill
I visit plenty of pubs further afield. Soho, Hampstead, Highgate, all over London, and I love a country pub, a coastal pub, a historic pub. I even like really down at heel sketchy pubs, they too can have intense character. As @Gardenwalker says, pubs are one of the best things about Britain, and anyone who goes around criminally tearing down 220 year old British pubs with amazing quirks will feel the wrath of many - and rightly
One main reason I haven't drunk in the Crooked House is because I have never been to South Staffs (at least as far as I can recall) so have never had the chance. A stupid argument
I guess the mistske isn't yours then, but that is clearly one pub that needs to be burned down in the interests of Anglo-Scottish relations. Typical North London idiocy.
"The Edinboro Castle is a poncy pub with poncy interior decor and full of poncy people. Somebody else may well say it's a stylish cool pub with stylish cool decor and stylish cool people. So it's horses for courses. But at somepoint - probably when somebody decided to change the name from the "Edinburgh Castle" to the "Edinboro Castle", it became poncy. The other give away is that with their fish & chips (beer battered haddock and "skin-on" chips???) they don't do mushy peas. They do "crushed peas". See what I mean?
... The Edinboro Castle ticks all the "nice" boxes, but I think everything about is poncy, contrived, superficial and self-satisfied. If you're any of those you'll probably quite like it."
If you knew anything about pubs - which you clearly don't - you would know it has been spelt that way for decades and, more inportantly, has one of the airiest interiors and biggest beer gardens in north London, maybe in all of London. As for being "contrived", it is about 160 years old, built for the navvies that built the railways right next door
It is a cracking pub, one that anyone would be delighted to call a local. It is 50 seconds walk from my flat. I love it
And the food used to be desperately shit, and is now notably pleasant
Be intent by the looks of it - also it wasn't built for Navies and seems to ha ve been built for a better class of customer 2 years after the railway to Euston was finished
And I say that as a driver of a high performance car.
Twenty is plenty in town.
Muy retro, don't think I have heard the expression high performance car since about the time the first golf GTI came out.
The Lotus Carton created quite a stir in the early ‘90s, but these days Tesla calls it’s top-of-the line cars “performance”, and they’re considerably faster than a 30-year-old saloon with a big engine.
The “Plaid” Model S and X are over 1000hp
Which would suggest that cruising at speeds over 20mph wouldn’t be a problem.
Incidentally - in the electric cars I have driven, they seem to be comfortable across all speeds. They don’t mind crawling along at 5mph or doing… lots. Is that standard with electric power trains or good engineering?
Yes, the new “Plaid” Teslas are totally nuts, as is the top “Turbo S” version of the Porsche Taycan.
You need to give £300k or £400k to McLaren or Ferrari, to achieve anything close to the same performance with a petrol engine.
As you say, an electric powertrain is also much easier to drive slowly than an equivalent ICE car.
Tories need more like him. Instinctive politicians
I believe you can make such an order if and only if you can prove it was deliberately demolished. His letter rather pathetically skirts round the fact that he knows this perfectly well.
I think we can be fairly sure it was “deliberately demolished” as here is the footage of it being deliberately demolished by a great big JCB, a day after the fire.
This all smacks of panic to me. Someone torched it and was frightened by the massive online reaction which got police and politicians involved, now they’ve kicked off an even bigger reaction
It won’t go away now
Ah OK the JCB may have been a mistake. if they have any sense they will have a surveyor's report after the fire saying JFC this buiding is lethally dangerous and needs demolished asap. BUT the point about the Punch Bowl is that it was listed, this is not. Not even sure they needed to torch it, unless they were getting in quick ahead of a fast track listing application (if such a thing is possible).
The Georgian Group was pursuing a quick listing with the support of locals
You’ve got this wrong. It’s definitely a highly suspicious sequence of events. Which also implicates Marathon’s the brewers
No, you have got me wrong. I think it absolutely stinks, but I think they will get away with it.
Mind you it was a fugly building and I don't feel that its loss hugely diminishes me. If people valued it they should have drunk a lot of beer there on a regular basis, and it would still be a pub.
One of the reasons it became less popular as a pub is that there was strangely sustained campaign of fly-tipping alll around it, making it hard to access and sometimes unpleasant to visit: I actually learned that from Gavin Williamson's Facebook page. And then in recent months it was suspiciously attacked so that its kitchen and loos were almost unusable....
It sounds to me like these last few days have merely been the culmination of a years long process of making it unviable as a pub, so it will be sold, so it can then be torched and demolished, and then someone makes an absolute mint turning it all into housing
And for once we as a nation should say No, fuck that, and put these greedy c*nts in jail, as an example. Sorted
This is what's wrong with this country. The building wasn't listed, if the owners wanted to demolish it, they ought to just be able to send in bulldozers and it should be none of anyone else's business.
We have a chronic shortage of housing in this country and any time anyone suggests building on greenfield land people scream out no, redevelop brownfield instead.
Now there's a plot of brownfield land available for redevelopment and there is outrage at that too.
Which is it? Do you want green land developed? Or "brownfield" which means tearing down old buildings, just like this.
And if you want a pub to stay open, best bet is to go and drink there. Not never go then complain an establishment you never drank at has shut down.
I'm sure your UK would have incredible GDP figures. But it would utterly charmless, and the welfare of the people who live here no better (or even worse).
There does need to be some sort of concerted effort to save pubs, halls. There is a value in social cohesion that doesn't appear on a spreadsheet. For one, it means that you can escape your poxy flat or new build for a few hours.
If you want a concerted effort to save pubs, halls etc, then start by drinking in them. Frequent those establishments and provide them custom.
If you can't be bothered, then don't complain if they go out of business. Put your money where your mouth is and go buy a pint or two. Regularly.
If they had better cycle provision I'd be more likely to buy a pint.
But seriously - I am a regular pub goer and claim to have singlehandedly kept my local pizzeria going during lockdown. I just wish the pints were as cheap as the cans you can buy in Tesco.
Likewise, I love pubs. I am a regular in at least two around me - the Edinboro Castle and the York and Albany - and often stroll to others in Primrose Hill
I visit plenty of pubs further afield. Soho, Hampstead, Highgate, all over London, and I love a country pub, a coastal pub, a historic pub. I even like really down at heel sketchy pubs, they too can have intense character. As @Gardenwalker says, pubs are one of the best things about Britain, and anyone who goes around criminally tearing down 220 year old British pubs with amazing quirks will feel the wrath of many - and rightly
One main reason I haven't drunk in the Crooked House is because I have never been to South Staffs (at least as far as I can recall) so have never had the chance. A stupid argument
I guess the mistske isn't yours then, but that is clearly one pub that needs to be burned down in the interests of Anglo-Scottish relations. Typical North London idiocy.
"The Edinboro Castle is a poncy pub with poncy interior decor and full of poncy people. Somebody else may well say it's a stylish cool pub with stylish cool decor and stylish cool people. So it's horses for courses. But at somepoint - probably when somebody decided to change the name from the "Edinburgh Castle" to the "Edinboro Castle", it became poncy. The other give away is that with their fish & chips (beer battered haddock and "skin-on" chips???) they don't do mushy peas. They do "crushed peas". See what I mean?
... The Edinboro Castle ticks all the "nice" boxes, but I think everything about is poncy, contrived, superficial and self-satisfied. If you're any of those you'll probably quite like it."
Fucking "Nunhead" doesn't even count as London. It's so far south and drearily suburban it's basically Kent or Surrey or Who Cares. I have literally never been to Nunhead and have zero desire to do so. UGH. It makes me want to vomit just thinking about it. NUNHEAD. lol. PUKE
And yours hasn't got a massive beer garden. And it's not in groovy Camden, 2 minutes from Regent's Park
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
Do you know any spastic frogs? Are they easily offended, as a rule?
Even so: best not used, for the reason given.
Suggest 'pithed frog'. What is, or used to be, done to frogs in A level biology etc.
Don’t be so feeble. Spastic, like retarded, is due for a revival.
Nobody knows what pithed means. I still don’t, despite reading your post.
Stick to your guns. Spastic is a brilliant term of abuse because it can be SPAT out with venom. SPASTIC
Tories need more like him. Instinctive politicians
I believe you can make such an order if and only if you can prove it was deliberately demolished. His letter rather pathetically skirts round the fact that he knows this perfectly well.
I think we can be fairly sure it was “deliberately demolished” as here is the footage of it being deliberately demolished by a great big JCB, a day after the fire.
This all smacks of panic to me. Someone torched it and was frightened by the massive online reaction which got police and politicians involved, now they’ve kicked off an even bigger reaction
It won’t go away now
Ah OK the JCB may have been a mistake. if they have any sense they will have a surveyor's report after the fire saying JFC this buiding is lethally dangerous and needs demolished asap. BUT the point about the Punch Bowl is that it was listed, this is not. Not even sure they needed to torch it, unless they were getting in quick ahead of a fast track listing application (if such a thing is possible).
The Georgian Group was pursuing a quick listing with the support of locals
You’ve got this wrong. It’s definitely a highly suspicious sequence of events. Which also implicates Marathon’s the brewers
No, you have got me wrong. I think it absolutely stinks, but I think they will get away with it.
Mind you it was a fugly building and I don't feel that its loss hugely diminishes me. If people valued it they should have drunk a lot of beer there on a regular basis, and it would still be a pub.
One of the reasons it became less popular as a pub is that there was strangely sustained campaign of fly-tipping alll around it, making it hard to access and sometimes unpleasant to visit: I actually learned that from Gavin Williamson's Facebook page. And then in recent months it was suspiciously attacked so that its kitchen and loos were almost unusable....
It sounds to me like these last few days have merely been the culmination of a years long process of making it unviable as a pub, so it will be sold, so it can then be torched and demolished, and then someone makes an absolute mint turning it all into housing
And for once we as a nation should say No, fuck that, and put these greedy c*nts in jail, as an example. Sorted
This is what's wrong with this country. The building wasn't listed, if the owners wanted to demolish it, they ought to just be able to send in bulldozers and it should be none of anyone else's business.
We have a chronic shortage of housing in this country and any time anyone suggests building on greenfield land people scream out no, redevelop brownfield instead.
Now there's a plot of brownfield land available for redevelopment and there is outrage at that too.
Which is it? Do you want green land developed? Or "brownfield" which means tearing down old buildings, just like this.
And if you want a pub to stay open, best bet is to go and drink there. Not never go then complain an establishment you never drank at has shut down.
I'm sure your UK would have incredible GDP figures. But it would utterly charmless, and the welfare of the people who live here no better (or even worse).
There does need to be some sort of concerted effort to save pubs, halls. There is a value in social cohesion that doesn't appear on a spreadsheet. For one, it means that you can escape your poxy flat or new build for a few hours.
If you want a concerted effort to save pubs, halls etc, then start by drinking in them. Frequent those establishments and provide them custom.
If you can't be bothered, then don't complain if they go out of business. Put your money where your mouth is and go buy a pint or two. Regularly.
If they had better cycle provision I'd be more likely to buy a pint.
But seriously - I am a regular pub goer and claim to have singlehandedly kept my local pizzeria going during lockdown. I just wish the pints were as cheap as the cans you can buy in Tesco.
Likewise, I love pubs. I am a regular in at least two around me - the Edinboro Castle and the York and Albany - and often stroll to others in Primrose Hill
I visit plenty of pubs further afield. Soho, Hampstead, Highgate, all over London, and I love a country pub, a coastal pub, a historic pub. I even like really down at heel sketchy pubs, they too can have intense character. As @Gardenwalker says, pubs are one of the best things about Britain, and anyone who goes around criminally tearing down 220 year old British pubs with amazing quirks will feel the wrath of many - and rightly
One main reason I haven't drunk in the Crooked House is because I have never been to South Staffs (at least as far as I can recall) so have never had the chance. A stupid argument
I guess the mistske isn't yours then, but that is clearly one pub that needs to be burned down in the interests of Anglo-Scottish relations. Typical North London idiocy.
"The Edinboro Castle is a poncy pub with poncy interior decor and full of poncy people. Somebody else may well say it's a stylish cool pub with stylish cool decor and stylish cool people. So it's horses for courses. But at somepoint - probably when somebody decided to change the name from the "Edinburgh Castle" to the "Edinboro Castle", it became poncy. The other give away is that with their fish & chips (beer battered haddock and "skin-on" chips???) they don't do mushy peas. They do "crushed peas". See what I mean?
... The Edinboro Castle ticks all the "nice" boxes, but I think everything about is poncy, contrived, superficial and self-satisfied. If you're any of those you'll probably quite like it."
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
Do you know any spastic frogs? Are they easily offended, as a rule?
Even so: best not used, for the reason given.
Suggest 'pithed frog'. What is, or used to be, done to frogs in A level biology etc.
Don’t be so feeble. Spastic, like retarded, is due for a revival.
Nobody knows what pithed means. I still don’t, despite reading your post.
"...the aesthetic and cultural sense of a frog" would have conveyed the message amply.
To use 'spastic' as an insult is clearly fine - after all, you've not directed at the actual people with the condition from which the terms was derived, oh no.
Even so, they should toughen up and take in the chin, not get so snowflakey about it. And obviously they'd be free to use an abusive term that applied to you if only you were so impacted.
While you're at it which other similar terms do you plan to use going forward? N*****? P**fter? K*ke?
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
Do you know any spastic frogs? Are they easily offended, as a rule?
Even so: best not used, for the reason given.
Suggest 'pithed frog'. What is, or used to be, done to frogs in A level biology etc.
I recall doing that. A level Zoology and later in Pharmacology for Pharm. Soc. Qualifying course.
2014 Nadine Dorries needs to have a word with 2023 Nadine Dorries. Here she is, arguing that constituents should have "more democratic control" over recalling their MP, saying "where MPs fall down is when they ignore their constituents". https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1688864306111143936
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
Do you know any spastic frogs? Are they easily offended, as a rule?
Even so: best not used, for the reason given.
Suggest 'pithed frog'. What is, or used to be, done to frogs in A level biology etc.
Don’t be so feeble. Spastic, like retarded, is due for a revival.
Nobody knows what pithed means. I still don’t, despite reading your post.
Stick to your guns. Spastic is a brilliant term of abuse because it can be SPAT out with venom. SPASTIC
It is deeply satisfying
It used to be Spaz when I was a kid. We also had Flid and Mong. The cruelty in those terms is quite something.
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
Do you know any spastic frogs? Are they easily offended, as a rule?
Even so: best not used, for the reason given.
Suggest 'pithed frog'. What is, or used to be, done to frogs in A level biology etc.
Don’t be so feeble. Spastic, like retarded, is due for a revival.
Nobody knows what pithed means. I still don’t, despite reading your post.
Stick to your guns. Spastic is a brilliant term of abuse because it can be SPAT out with venom. SPASTIC
It is deeply satisfying
It used to be Spaz when I was a kid. We also had Flid and Mong. The cruelty in those terms is quite something.
Given all the crap boring buildings that are listed, why was the rather unusual, interesting, historic Crooked House not listed?
Probably because it’s in an unfashionable part of the country.
(Which seems to me even more reason to preserve it, in a way. There’s a certain right wing view which suggests that poor people and provincials don’t deserve/cannot appreciate heritage buildings).
It is some years from when I was last there, but it was quite a leafy spot at the edge of the Black Country as I recall.
Not sure I would want to buy a house in a place famous for subsidence! Every house a Crooked House, perhaps named for the developers too!
Looks like the demolition of the entire structure was absolutely illegal. The council have confirmed. Some evil fucker is in trouble. Hunt them down and torment them
Looks like the demolition of the entire structure was absolutely illegal. The council have confirmed. Some evil fucker is in trouble. Hunt them down and torment them
Looks like the demolition of the entire structure was absolutely illegal. The council have confirmed. Some evil fucker is in trouble. Hunt them down and torment them
Tories need more like him. Instinctive politicians
I believe you can make such an order if and only if you can prove it was deliberately demolished. His letter rather pathetically skirts round the fact that he knows this perfectly well.
I think we can be fairly sure it was “deliberately demolished” as here is the footage of it being deliberately demolished by a great big JCB, a day after the fire.
This all smacks of panic to me. Someone torched it and was frightened by the massive online reaction which got police and politicians involved, now they’ve kicked off an even bigger reaction
It won’t go away now
Ah OK the JCB may have been a mistake. if they have any sense they will have a surveyor's report after the fire saying JFC this buiding is lethally dangerous and needs demolished asap. BUT the point about the Punch Bowl is that it was listed, this is not. Not even sure they needed to torch it, unless they were getting in quick ahead of a fast track listing application (if such a thing is possible).
The Georgian Group was pursuing a quick listing with the support of locals
You’ve got this wrong. It’s definitely a highly suspicious sequence of events. Which also implicates Marathon’s the brewers
No, you have got me wrong. I think it absolutely stinks, but I think they will get away with it.
Mind you it was a fugly building and I don't feel that its loss hugely diminishes me. If people valued it they should have drunk a lot of beer there on a regular basis, and it would still be a pub.
One of the reasons it became less popular as a pub is that there was strangely sustained campaign of fly-tipping alll around it, making it hard to access and sometimes unpleasant to visit: I actually learned that from Gavin Williamson's Facebook page. And then in recent months it was suspiciously attacked so that its kitchen and loos were almost unusable....
It sounds to me like these last few days have merely been the culmination of a years long process of making it unviable as a pub, so it will be sold, so it can then be torched and demolished, and then someone makes an absolute mint turning it all into housing
And for once we as a nation should say No, fuck that, and put these greedy c*nts in jail, as an example. Sorted
This is what's wrong with this country. The building wasn't listed, if the owners wanted to demolish it, they ought to just be able to send in bulldozers and it should be none of anyone else's business.
We have a chronic shortage of housing in this country and any time anyone suggests building on greenfield land people scream out no, redevelop brownfield instead.
Now there's a plot of brownfield land available for redevelopment and there is outrage at that too.
Which is it? Do you want green land developed? Or "brownfield" which means tearing down old buildings, just like this.
And if you want a pub to stay open, best bet is to go and drink there. Not never go then complain an establishment you never drank at has shut down.
I'm sure your UK would have incredible GDP figures. But it would utterly charmless, and the welfare of the people who live here no better (or even worse).
There does need to be some sort of concerted effort to save pubs, halls. There is a value in social cohesion that doesn't appear on a spreadsheet. For one, it means that you can escape your poxy flat or new build for a few hours.
If you want a concerted effort to save pubs, halls etc, then start by drinking in them. Frequent those establishments and provide them custom.
If you can't be bothered, then don't complain if they go out of business. Put your money where your mouth is and go buy a pint or two. Regularly.
If they had better cycle provision I'd be more likely to buy a pint.
But seriously - I am a regular pub goer and claim to have singlehandedly kept my local pizzeria going during lockdown. I just wish the pints were as cheap as the cans you can buy in Tesco.
Likewise, I love pubs. I am a regular in at least two around me - the Edinboro Castle and the York and Albany - and often stroll to others in Primrose Hill
I visit plenty of pubs further afield. Soho, Hampstead, Highgate, all over London, and I love a country pub, a coastal pub, a historic pub. I even like really down at heel sketchy pubs, they too can have intense character. As @Gardenwalker says, pubs are one of the best things about Britain, and anyone who goes around criminally tearing down 220 year old British pubs with amazing quirks will feel the wrath of many - and rightly
One main reason I haven't drunk in the Crooked House is because I have never been to South Staffs (at least as far as I can recall) so have never had the chance. A stupid argument
I guess the mistske isn't yours then, but that is clearly one pub that needs to be burned down in the interests of Anglo-Scottish relations. Typical North London idiocy.
"The Edinboro Castle is a poncy pub with poncy interior decor and full of poncy people. Somebody else may well say it's a stylish cool pub with stylish cool decor and stylish cool people. So it's horses for courses. But at somepoint - probably when somebody decided to change the name from the "Edinburgh Castle" to the "Edinboro Castle", it became poncy. The other give away is that with their fish & chips (beer battered haddock and "skin-on" chips???) they don't do mushy peas. They do "crushed peas". See what I mean?
... The Edinboro Castle ticks all the "nice" boxes, but I think everything about is poncy, contrived, superficial and self-satisfied. If you're any of those you'll probably quite like it."
Looks like the demolition of the entire structure was absolutely illegal. The council have confirmed. Some evil fucker is in trouble. Hunt them down and torment them
Afternoon drinking in a proper pub, with the rain falling from dark clouds outside, shop lights reflecting in the puddles, is one of life's great pleasures.
Tories need more like him. Instinctive politicians
I believe you can make such an order if and only if you can prove it was deliberately demolished. His letter rather pathetically skirts round the fact that he knows this perfectly well.
I think we can be fairly sure it was “deliberately demolished” as here is the footage of it being deliberately demolished by a great big JCB, a day after the fire.
This all smacks of panic to me. Someone torched it and was frightened by the massive online reaction which got police and politicians involved, now they’ve kicked off an even bigger reaction
It won’t go away now
Ah OK the JCB may have been a mistake. if they have any sense they will have a surveyor's report after the fire saying JFC this buiding is lethally dangerous and needs demolished asap. BUT the point about the Punch Bowl is that it was listed, this is not. Not even sure they needed to torch it, unless they were getting in quick ahead of a fast track listing application (if such a thing is possible).
The Georgian Group was pursuing a quick listing with the support of locals
You’ve got this wrong. It’s definitely a highly suspicious sequence of events. Which also implicates Marathon’s the brewers
No, you have got me wrong. I think it absolutely stinks, but I think they will get away with it.
Mind you it was a fugly building and I don't feel that its loss hugely diminishes me. If people valued it they should have drunk a lot of beer there on a regular basis, and it would still be a pub.
One of the reasons it became less popular as a pub is that there was strangely sustained campaign of fly-tipping alll around it, making it hard to access and sometimes unpleasant to visit: I actually learned that from Gavin Williamson's Facebook page. And then in recent months it was suspiciously attacked so that its kitchen and loos were almost unusable....
It sounds to me like these last few days have merely been the culmination of a years long process of making it unviable as a pub, so it will be sold, so it can then be torched and demolished, and then someone makes an absolute mint turning it all into housing
And for once we as a nation should say No, fuck that, and put these greedy c*nts in jail, as an example. Sorted
This is what's wrong with this country. The building wasn't listed, if the owners wanted to demolish it, they ought to just be able to send in bulldozers and it should be none of anyone else's business.
We have a chronic shortage of housing in this country and any time anyone suggests building on greenfield land people scream out no, redevelop brownfield instead.
Now there's a plot of brownfield land available for redevelopment and there is outrage at that too.
Which is it? Do you want green land developed? Or "brownfield" which means tearing down old buildings, just like this.
And if you want a pub to stay open, best bet is to go and drink there. Not never go then complain an establishment you never drank at has shut down.
I'm sure your UK would have incredible GDP figures. But it would utterly charmless, and the welfare of the people who live here no better (or even worse).
There does need to be some sort of concerted effort to save pubs, halls. There is a value in social cohesion that doesn't appear on a spreadsheet. For one, it means that you can escape your poxy flat or new build for a few hours.
If you want a concerted effort to save pubs, halls etc, then start by drinking in them. Frequent those establishments and provide them custom.
If you can't be bothered, then don't complain if they go out of business. Put your money where your mouth is and go buy a pint or two. Regularly.
If they had better cycle provision I'd be more likely to buy a pint.
But seriously - I am a regular pub goer and claim to have singlehandedly kept my local pizzeria going during lockdown. I just wish the pints were as cheap as the cans you can buy in Tesco.
Likewise, I love pubs. I am a regular in at least two around me - the Edinboro Castle and the York and Albany - and often stroll to others in Primrose Hill
I visit plenty of pubs further afield. Soho, Hampstead, Highgate, all over London, and I love a country pub, a coastal pub, a historic pub. I even like really down at heel sketchy pubs, they too can have intense character. As @Gardenwalker says, pubs are one of the best things about Britain, and anyone who goes around criminally tearing down 220 year old British pubs with amazing quirks will feel the wrath of many - and rightly
One main reason I haven't drunk in the Crooked House is because I have never been to South Staffs (at least as far as I can recall) so have never had the chance. A stupid argument
I guess the mistske isn't yours then, but that is clearly one pub that needs to be burned down in the interests of Anglo-Scottish relations. Typical North London idiocy.
"The Edinboro Castle is a poncy pub with poncy interior decor and full of poncy people. Somebody else may well say it's a stylish cool pub with stylish cool decor and stylish cool people. So it's horses for courses. But at somepoint - probably when somebody decided to change the name from the "Edinburgh Castle" to the "Edinboro Castle", it became poncy. The other give away is that with their fish & chips (beer battered haddock and "skin-on" chips???) they don't do mushy peas. They do "crushed peas". See what I mean?
... The Edinboro Castle ticks all the "nice" boxes, but I think everything about is poncy, contrived, superficial and self-satisfied. If you're any of those you'll probably quite like it."
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
Do you know any spastic frogs? Are they easily offended, as a rule?
Even so: best not used, for the reason given.
Suggest 'pithed frog'. What is, or used to be, done to frogs in A level biology etc.
Don’t be so feeble. Spastic, like retarded, is due for a revival.
Nobody knows what pithed means. I still don’t, despite reading your post.
Stick to your guns. Spastic is a brilliant term of abuse because it can be SPAT out with venom. SPASTIC
It is deeply satisfying
It used to be Spaz when I was a kid. We also had Flid and Mong. The cruelty in those terms is quite something.
It is a phenomenon of inflating euphemism. At one time moron and retarded were legitimate medical terms.
I have heard youngsters describe each other disparaging as "special needs".
We need to update our language, but even more so need to update our attitudes.
Looks like the demolition of the entire structure was absolutely illegal. The council have confirmed. Some evil fucker is in trouble. Hunt them down and torment them
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
Do you know any spastic frogs? Are they easily offended, as a rule?
Even so: best not used, for the reason given.
Suggest 'pithed frog'. What is, or used to be, done to frogs in A level biology etc.
Don’t be so feeble. Spastic, like retarded, is due for a revival.
Nobody knows what pithed means. I still don’t, despite reading your post.
Stick to your guns. Spastic is a brilliant term of abuse because it can be SPAT out with venom. SPASTIC
It is deeply satisfying
It used to be Spaz when I was a kid. We also had Flid and Mong. The cruelty in those terms is quite something.
It is a phenomenon of inflating euphemism. At one time moron and retarded were legitimate medical terms.
I have heard youngsters describe each other disparaging as "special needs".
We need to update our language, but even more so need to update our attitudes.
My grandson and his mates use Boomer as an insult. It's fair enough, I reckon.
Looks like the demolition of the entire structure was absolutely illegal. The council have confirmed. Some evil fucker is in trouble. Hunt them down and torment them
Looks like the demolition of the entire structure was absolutely illegal. The council have confirmed. Some evil fucker is in trouble. Hunt them down and torment them
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
Do you know any spastic frogs? Are they easily offended, as a rule?
Even so: best not used, for the reason given.
Suggest 'pithed frog'. What is, or used to be, done to frogs in A level biology etc.
Don’t be so feeble. Spastic, like retarded, is due for a revival.
Nobody knows what pithed means. I still don’t, despite reading your post.
Stick to your guns. Spastic is a brilliant term of abuse because it can be SPAT out with venom. SPASTIC
It is deeply satisfying
'Deranged drug addled frog' is today's top tetch. Well done viewcode.
Looks like the demolition of the entire structure was absolutely illegal. The council have confirmed. Some evil fucker is in trouble. Hunt them down and torment them
I can't believe a pub in a chavvy shithole is a cause for national concern. There's loads more of them.
It is a national landmark.
The people who think they could get way with this are going to get a very nasty shock indeed. A similar thing happened in Maida Vale and the pub was restored, brick by brick, they same should happen here. I suspect as soon as the name of the people responsible is released we will discover a pattern of previous similar behaviour. If so, then send them to jail.
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
Do you know any spastic frogs? Are they easily offended, as a rule?
Even so: best not used, for the reason given.
Suggest 'pithed frog'. What is, or used to be, done to frogs in A level biology etc.
Don’t be so feeble. Spastic, like retarded, is due for a revival.
Nobody knows what pithed means. I still don’t, despite reading your post.
Stick to your guns. Spastic is a brilliant term of abuse because it can be SPAT out with venom. SPASTIC
It is deeply satisfying
I am old enough to remember the Spastics Society charity shop before they rebranded.
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
Do you know any spastic frogs? Are they easily offended, as a rule?
Even so: best not used, for the reason given.
Suggest 'pithed frog'. What is, or used to be, done to frogs in A level biology etc.
Don’t be so feeble. Spastic, like retarded, is due for a revival.
Nobody knows what pithed means. I still don’t, despite reading your post.
Stick to your guns. Spastic is a brilliant term of abuse because it can be SPAT out with venom. SPASTIC
It is deeply satisfying
It used to be Spaz when I was a kid. We also had Flid and Mong. The cruelty in those terms is quite something.
It is a phenomenon of inflating euphemism. At one time moron and retarded were legitimate medical terms.
I have heard youngsters describe each other disparaging as "special needs".
We need to update our language, but even more so need to update our attitudes.
"special needs" has been around for a while. Quasi Medical euphemisms carry inherent risks in this area.
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
Do you know any spastic frogs? Are they easily offended, as a rule?
Even so: best not used, for the reason given.
Suggest 'pithed frog'. What is, or used to be, done to frogs in A level biology etc.
Don’t be so feeble. Spastic, like retarded, is due for a revival.
Nobody knows what pithed means. I still don’t, despite reading your post.
Stick to your guns. Spastic is a brilliant term of abuse because it can be SPAT out with venom. SPASTIC
It is deeply satisfying
I am old enough to remember the Spastics Society charity shop before they rebranded.
The tories have probably got another planning problem emerging, their hastily assembled proposal to allow barn conversions without planning permission in National Parks.
"David Butterworth, the CEO of the Yorkshire Dales national park, told the Guardian: “If I was trying to devise a policy that would essentially lead to the destruction of Yorkshire Dales national park, this would be the policy. These are permitted development rights to convert a property without any planning restriction. This means the 6,500 field barns in the Yorkshire Dales could be converted into homes. The idea they could be homes with no restrictions would decimate the landscapes.
“It is one of the most bonkers examples of environmental destruction I could think of. I am extremely concerned that this has been introduced now with an eight-week consultation. It is just crackers.”
The lib dems have jumped on it, and good luck to them. The tories are trying to shore up their base by blocking almost all new housebuilding in the countryside, at great economic cost, and then they go and do this - it's like one hand doesn't know what the other is doing.
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
Do you know any spastic frogs? Are they easily offended, as a rule?
Even so: best not used, for the reason given.
Suggest 'pithed frog'. What is, or used to be, done to frogs in A level biology etc.
Don’t be so feeble. Spastic, like retarded, is due for a revival.
Nobody knows what pithed means. I still don’t, despite reading your post.
Stick to your guns. Spastic is a brilliant term of abuse because it can be SPAT out with venom. SPASTIC
It is deeply satisfying
It used to be Spaz when I was a kid. We also had Flid and Mong. The cruelty in those terms is quite something.
It is a phenomenon of inflating euphemism. At one time moron and retarded were legitimate medical terms.
I have heard youngsters describe each other disparaging as "special needs".
We need to update our language, but even more so need to update our attitudes.
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
Do you know any spastic frogs? Are they easily offended, as a rule?
Even so: best not used, for the reason given.
Suggest 'pithed frog'. What is, or used to be, done to frogs in A level biology etc.
Don’t be so feeble. Spastic, like retarded, is due for a revival.
Nobody knows what pithed means. I still don’t, despite reading your post.
Stick to your guns. Spastic is a brilliant term of abuse because it can be SPAT out with venom. SPASTIC
It is deeply satisfying
I am old enough to remember the Spastics Society charity shop before they rebranded.
Indeed. A charity I did some work for, HCPT, dropped the word “Handicapped” in around 1998.
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
Do you know any spastic frogs? Are they easily offended, as a rule?
Even so: best not used, for the reason given.
Suggest 'pithed frog'. What is, or used to be, done to frogs in A level biology etc.
Don’t be so feeble. Spastic, like retarded, is due for a revival.
Nobody knows what pithed means. I still don’t, despite reading your post.
Stick to your guns. Spastic is a brilliant term of abuse because it can be SPAT out with venom. SPASTIC
It is deeply satisfying
I am old enough to remember the Spastics Society charity shop before they rebranded.
1994 isn't that long ago.
It increasingly is. It's as far in the past as WWII was in the 1970s.
Tories need more like him. Instinctive politicians
I believe you can make such an order if and only if you can prove it was deliberately demolished. His letter rather pathetically skirts round the fact that he knows this perfectly well.
I think we can be fairly sure it was “deliberately demolished” as here is the footage of it being deliberately demolished by a great big JCB, a day after the fire.
This all smacks of panic to me. Someone torched it and was frightened by the massive online reaction which got police and politicians involved, now they’ve kicked off an even bigger reaction
It won’t go away now
Ah OK the JCB may have been a mistake. if they have any sense they will have a surveyor's report after the fire saying JFC this buiding is lethally dangerous and needs demolished asap. BUT the point about the Punch Bowl is that it was listed, this is not. Not even sure they needed to torch it, unless they were getting in quick ahead of a fast track listing application (if such a thing is possible).
The Georgian Group was pursuing a quick listing with the support of locals
You’ve got this wrong. It’s definitely a highly suspicious sequence of events. Which also implicates Marathon’s the brewers
No, you have got me wrong. I think it absolutely stinks, but I think they will get away with it.
Mind you it was a fugly building and I don't feel that its loss hugely diminishes me. If people valued it they should have drunk a lot of beer there on a regular basis, and it would still be a pub.
One of the reasons it became less popular as a pub is that there was strangely sustained campaign of fly-tipping alll around it, making it hard to access and sometimes unpleasant to visit: I actually learned that from Gavin Williamson's Facebook page. And then in recent months it was suspiciously attacked so that its kitchen and loos were almost unusable....
It sounds to me like these last few days have merely been the culmination of a years long process of making it unviable as a pub, so it will be sold, so it can then be torched and demolished, and then someone makes an absolute mint turning it all into housing
And for once we as a nation should say No, fuck that, and put these greedy c*nts in jail, as an example. Sorted
This is what's wrong with this country. The building wasn't listed, if the owners wanted to demolish it, they ought to just be able to send in bulldozers and it should be none of anyone else's business.
We have a chronic shortage of housing in this country and any time anyone suggests building on greenfield land people scream out no, redevelop brownfield instead.
Now there's a plot of brownfield land available for redevelopment and there is outrage at that too.
Which is it? Do you want green land developed? Or "brownfield" which means tearing down old buildings, just like this.
And if you want a pub to stay open, best bet is to go and drink there. Not never go then complain an establishment you never drank at has shut down.
I'm sure your UK would have incredible GDP figures. But it would utterly charmless, and the welfare of the people who live here no better (or even worse).
There does need to be some sort of concerted effort to save pubs, halls. There is a value in social cohesion that doesn't appear on a spreadsheet. For one, it means that you can escape your poxy flat or new build for a few hours.
If you want a concerted effort to save pubs, halls etc, then start by drinking in them. Frequent those establishments and provide them custom.
If you can't be bothered, then don't complain if they go out of business. Put your money where your mouth is and go buy a pint or two. Regularly.
If they had better cycle provision I'd be more likely to buy a pint.
But seriously - I am a regular pub goer and claim to have singlehandedly kept my local pizzeria going during lockdown. I just wish the pints were as cheap as the cans you can buy in Tesco.
Likewise, I love pubs. I am a regular in at least two around me - the Edinboro Castle and the York and Albany - and often stroll to others in Primrose Hill
I visit plenty of pubs further afield. Soho, Hampstead, Highgate, all over London, and I love a country pub, a coastal pub, a historic pub. I even like really down at heel sketchy pubs, they too can have intense character. As @Gardenwalker says, pubs are one of the best things about Britain, and anyone who goes around criminally tearing down 220 year old British pubs with amazing quirks will feel the wrath of many - and rightly
One main reason I haven't drunk in the Crooked House is because I have never been to South Staffs (at least as far as I can recall) so have never had the chance. A stupid argument
I guess the mistske isn't yours then, but that is clearly one pub that needs to be burned down in the interests of Anglo-Scottish relations. Typical North London idiocy.
"The Edinboro Castle is a poncy pub with poncy interior decor and full of poncy people. Somebody else may well say it's a stylish cool pub with stylish cool decor and stylish cool people. So it's horses for courses. But at somepoint - probably when somebody decided to change the name from the "Edinburgh Castle" to the "Edinboro Castle", it became poncy. The other give away is that with their fish & chips (beer battered haddock and "skin-on" chips???) they don't do mushy peas. They do "crushed peas". See what I mean?
... The Edinboro Castle ticks all the "nice" boxes, but I think everything about is poncy, contrived, superficial and self-satisfied. If you're any of those you'll probably quite like it."
The tories have probably got another planning problem emerging, their hastily assembled proposal to allow barn conversions without planning permission in National Parks.
"David Butterworth, the CEO of the Yorkshire Dales national park, told the Guardian: “If I was trying to devise a policy that would essentially lead to the destruction of Yorkshire Dales national park, this would be the policy. These are permitted development rights to convert a property without any planning restriction. This means the 6,500 field barns in the Yorkshire Dales could be converted into homes. The idea they could be homes with no restrictions would decimate the landscapes.
“It is one of the most bonkers examples of environmental destruction I could think of. I am extremely concerned that this has been introduced now with an eight-week consultation. It is just crackers.”
The lib dems have jumped on it, and good luck to them. The tories are trying to shore up their base by blocking almost all new housebuilding in the countryside, at great economic cost, and then they go and do this - it's like one hand doesn't know what the other is doing.
This was a Michael Gove policy announced on the quiet in the hope no body would notice...
Well it's either that or grade A incompetency - and I don't want to think which one it is...
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
Do you know any spastic frogs? Are they easily offended, as a rule?
Even so: best not used, for the reason given.
Suggest 'pithed frog'. What is, or used to be, done to frogs in A level biology etc.
Don’t be so feeble. Spastic, like retarded, is due for a revival.
Nobody knows what pithed means. I still don’t, despite reading your post.
Stick to your guns. Spastic is a brilliant term of abuse because it can be SPAT out with venom. SPASTIC
It is deeply satisfying
It used to be Spaz when I was a kid. We also had Flid and Mong. The cruelty in those terms is quite something.
"Joey" as well
Ah, good old Joey Deacon, the celebrated Blue Peter Spastic, as was.
Tories need more like him. Instinctive politicians
I believe you can make such an order if and only if you can prove it was deliberately demolished. His letter rather pathetically skirts round the fact that he knows this perfectly well.
I think we can be fairly sure it was “deliberately demolished” as here is the footage of it being deliberately demolished by a great big JCB, a day after the fire.
This all smacks of panic to me. Someone torched it and was frightened by the massive online reaction which got police and politicians involved, now they’ve kicked off an even bigger reaction
It won’t go away now
Ah OK the JCB may have been a mistake. if they have any sense they will have a surveyor's report after the fire saying JFC this buiding is lethally dangerous and needs demolished asap. BUT the point about the Punch Bowl is that it was listed, this is not. Not even sure they needed to torch it, unless they were getting in quick ahead of a fast track listing application (if such a thing is possible).
The Georgian Group was pursuing a quick listing with the support of locals
You’ve got this wrong. It’s definitely a highly suspicious sequence of events. Which also implicates Marathon’s the brewers
No, you have got me wrong. I think it absolutely stinks, but I think they will get away with it.
Mind you it was a fugly building and I don't feel that its loss hugely diminishes me. If people valued it they should have drunk a lot of beer there on a regular basis, and it would still be a pub.
One of the reasons it became less popular as a pub is that there was strangely sustained campaign of fly-tipping alll around it, making it hard to access and sometimes unpleasant to visit: I actually learned that from Gavin Williamson's Facebook page. And then in recent months it was suspiciously attacked so that its kitchen and loos were almost unusable....
It sounds to me like these last few days have merely been the culmination of a years long process of making it unviable as a pub, so it will be sold, so it can then be torched and demolished, and then someone makes an absolute mint turning it all into housing
And for once we as a nation should say No, fuck that, and put these greedy c*nts in jail, as an example. Sorted
This is what's wrong with this country. The building wasn't listed, if the owners wanted to demolish it, they ought to just be able to send in bulldozers and it should be none of anyone else's business.
We have a chronic shortage of housing in this country and any time anyone suggests building on greenfield land people scream out no, redevelop brownfield instead.
Now there's a plot of brownfield land available for redevelopment and there is outrage at that too.
Which is it? Do you want green land developed? Or "brownfield" which means tearing down old buildings, just like this.
And if you want a pub to stay open, best bet is to go and drink there. Not never go then complain an establishment you never drank at has shut down.
I'm sure your UK would have incredible GDP figures. But it would utterly charmless, and the welfare of the people who live here no better (or even worse).
There does need to be some sort of concerted effort to save pubs, halls. There is a value in social cohesion that doesn't appear on a spreadsheet. For one, it means that you can escape your poxy flat or new build for a few hours.
If you want a concerted effort to save pubs, halls etc, then start by drinking in them. Frequent those establishments and provide them custom.
If you can't be bothered, then don't complain if they go out of business. Put your money where your mouth is and go buy a pint or two. Regularly.
If they had better cycle provision I'd be more likely to buy a pint.
But seriously - I am a regular pub goer and claim to have singlehandedly kept my local pizzeria going during lockdown. I just wish the pints were as cheap as the cans you can buy in Tesco.
Likewise, I love pubs. I am a regular in at least two around me - the Edinboro Castle and the York and Albany - and often stroll to others in Primrose Hill
I visit plenty of pubs further afield. Soho, Hampstead, Highgate, all over London, and I love a country pub, a coastal pub, a historic pub. I even like really down at heel sketchy pubs, they too can have intense character. As @Gardenwalker says, pubs are one of the best things about Britain, and anyone who goes around criminally tearing down 220 year old British pubs with amazing quirks will feel the wrath of many - and rightly
One main reason I haven't drunk in the Crooked House is because I have never been to South Staffs (at least as far as I can recall) so have never had the chance. A stupid argument
I guess the mistske isn't yours then, but that is clearly one pub that needs to be burned down in the interests of Anglo-Scottish relations. Typical North London idiocy.
"The Edinboro Castle is a poncy pub with poncy interior decor and full of poncy people. Somebody else may well say it's a stylish cool pub with stylish cool decor and stylish cool people. So it's horses for courses. But at somepoint - probably when somebody decided to change the name from the "Edinburgh Castle" to the "Edinboro Castle", it became poncy. The other give away is that with their fish & chips (beer battered haddock and "skin-on" chips???) they don't do mushy peas. They do "crushed peas". See what I mean?
... The Edinboro Castle ticks all the "nice" boxes, but I think everything about is poncy, contrived, superficial and self-satisfied. If you're any of those you'll probably quite like it."
The review is not entirely innacurate, for its time. The food WAS a bit poncey yet poor, and the service WAS lamentably slow
Now the food is good, sometimes very good, and the service is fast and friendly. New management have entirely turned the pub around, AND refurbed it all really well. It is justifiably successful. It heaves on warm summer evenings. Must make big money
I note that the reviewer HATES BEER GARDENS. lol. File under: crank
The tories have probably got another planning problem emerging, their hastily assembled proposal to allow barn conversions without planning permission in National Parks.
"David Butterworth, the CEO of the Yorkshire Dales national park, told the Guardian: “If I was trying to devise a policy that would essentially lead to the destruction of Yorkshire Dales national park, this would be the policy. These are permitted development rights to convert a property without any planning restriction. This means the 6,500 field barns in the Yorkshire Dales could be converted into homes. The idea they could be homes with no restrictions would decimate the landscapes.
“It is one of the most bonkers examples of environmental destruction I could think of. I am extremely concerned that this has been introduced now with an eight-week consultation. It is just crackers.”
The lib dems have jumped on it, and good luck to them. The tories are trying to shore up their base by blocking almost all new housebuilding in the countryside, at great economic cost, and then they go and do this - it's like one hand doesn't know what the other is doing.
That sounds eminently sensible. How does turning a barn into a house “decimate the landscapes”? The buildings are there already!
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
Do you know any spastic frogs? Are they easily offended, as a rule?
Even so: best not used, for the reason given.
Suggest 'pithed frog'. What is, or used to be, done to frogs in A level biology etc.
Don’t be so feeble. Spastic, like retarded, is due for a revival.
Nobody knows what pithed means. I still don’t, despite reading your post.
Stick to your guns. Spastic is a brilliant term of abuse because it can be SPAT out with venom. SPASTIC
It is deeply satisfying
It used to be Spaz when I was a kid. We also had Flid and Mong. The cruelty in those terms is quite something.
"Joey" as well
Which was even worse as it came about because of the guy they kept having on blue peter , joey deacon as I remember
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
Do you know any spastic frogs? Are they easily offended, as a rule?
Even so: best not used, for the reason given.
Suggest 'pithed frog'. What is, or used to be, done to frogs in A level biology etc.
Don’t be so feeble. Spastic, like retarded, is due for a revival.
Nobody knows what pithed means. I still don’t, despite reading your post.
Stick to your guns. Spastic is a brilliant term of abuse because it can be SPAT out with venom. SPASTIC
It is deeply satisfying
It used to be Spaz when I was a kid. We also had Flid and Mong. The cruelty in those terms is quite something.
It is a phenomenon of inflating euphemism. At one time moron and retarded were legitimate medical terms.
I have heard youngsters describe each other disparaging as "special needs".
We need to update our language, but even more so need to update our attitudes.
"special needs" has been around for a while. Quasi Medical euphemisms carry inherent risks in this area.
Mine just refer to someone as being 'Special' and you can hear the quote marks the way they say it
The sad thing is that gay MPs still need to be in the closet. We've evolved significantly as a society over the last decade especially. Yet the fear of exposure from a society who is being whipped into a right wing frenzy to other anyone who doesn't conform to whatever the current Lee Anderson standard of behaviour is.
Except that's not what that article talks about. It talks about sexual misconduct in parliament by other gay politicians.
Did you even read it?
That’s the Kevin Spacey and Philip Schofield argument, conflating openness about sexuality with sexual misbehavior.
It’s not really a surprise that there’s sexually deviant behaviour going on in Parliament.
Careful now. Spacey has been acquitted on every charge ever brought to court.
There is also no sexual misbehaviour been proved against Schofield. The Daily Mail simply sought to create outrage amongst its sexually vanilla readership over the fact that an older man might be attracted to a younger one and visa versa. They then made up a load of bollox to justify their prurience by saying that Schofield "took advantage of his power" when it is perfectly possible that the young man might possibly have made the first advance for all they knew. It was just pure homophobia.
AIUI Schofield's situation was very different, given that he got the man a job at the company, abusing and misusing his position.
Most companies would sack an employee for such behaviour, and rightly so IMO. Whilst not illegal, it was wrong.
Yes, no, maybe, depending what actually happened. Many large companies encourage employees to recruit their friends and family. For one thing, it is cheaper than paying agency fees and more reliable because a degree of informal pre-screening has gone on. It is when there is a perceived abuse of power that things get messy, and I'm not sure that has even been alleged in the Schofield case.
"Many large companies encourage employees to recruit their friends and family."
Subject to them meeting the legal requirements and having the job open application open to all-comers, obviously ...
I'm alleging a *potential* abuse of power in the Schofield case AIUI. In fact, I'm amazed anyone cannot see the potential for abuse of power.
Wherever there is power, it can potentially be abused. That's just a truism.
...@BartholomewRoberts who wants to turn every inch of Britian into red brick semi detached Barratt homes...
Better known as "places where people want to live"
Evidence?
Something something revealed preference..
I live in a 1950s ex-council house. Ideally I would like to live in a swanky barn conversion in the countryside with a nice view. I'm accepting the compromise because I can sensibly afford the one and not the other. If everyone really wanted to live in semi-detached Barratt houses, then barn conversions would be cheap and barratt houses expensive. Given that round my way the new build Barratt wonders are considerably cheaper than like for like Victorian/Edwardian built housing stock, I'd say that people's revealed preferences are cardboard box in the street < Barratt new build < Victorian terrace < Barn conversion in a nice place.
Problem is that we can't build Victorian style terrace houses anymore, developers and planners don't like them as they want the maximum houses in a given space.
Really the problem is that there are too many people in the country, which causes the massive pressure on housing, not least because we're currently letting in 3/4 million people a year and barely building housing for half of them. Personally I think we've the wrong net zero target - forget Co2, net zero immigration would go a long way to solving most of the UKs problems.
It’s time BartyBobbins to accept that he has the aesthetic and cultural sense of a spastic frog, and to leave discussions around national heritage to everyone else.
Crass. No doubt people with cerebral palsy are cheered by the fact that there are still some who find their condition an appropriate insult.
Do you know any spastic frogs? Are they easily offended, as a rule?
Even so: best not used, for the reason given.
Suggest 'pithed frog'. What is, or used to be, done to frogs in A level biology etc.
Don’t be so feeble. Spastic, like retarded, is due for a revival.
Nobody knows what pithed means. I still don’t, despite reading your post.
Stick to your guns. Spastic is a brilliant term of abuse because it can be SPAT out with venom. SPASTIC
It is deeply satisfying
It used to be Spaz when I was a kid. We also had Flid and Mong. The cruelty in those terms is quite something.
"Joey" as well
Ah, good old Joey Deacon, the celebrated Blue Peter Spastic, as was.
Terrible really. At some point in the 1990s there must have been a noticeable drop-off in boys who were given that name by their parents.
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He added that France is a safe country and a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights.
"People should claim asylum in the first country - it's not like there should be an open shopping list of where you want to go," he said.
"He expresses himself in his characteristically robust terms but there is a lot of sense, in my respectful view, in what Lee says.""
https://news.sky.com/story/lee-anderson-downing-street-backs-tory-deputy-chairman-after-he-told-migrants-who-dont-like-barges-to-go-back-to-france-12935966
Sure.
Once you do that, places like the Crooked House can float or sink on their own merits, rather than being hobbled by the insane value of the land they are on.
But even if you want to knock down a quirky old building, do it the right way, which isn't this.
And if they did that, to Poland and the Balkans.
Until all the refugees from X end up in the handful of countries bordering X. Which is where many do end up, of course. But it's hardly a good outcome.
Remember that under any fair global system of asylum, the UK could well end up with more refugees than it does now.
I realise everybody on PB these days is spectacularly bloody rich and/or lives outside the UK and/or flits between nations like a deranged drug-addled frog, and hence have houses tailored to their no-doubt exquisite tastes, but there do exist [checks notes] millions of people who would like to live in something like a Brookside house rather than increasingly-smaller boxes inflicted on them by a Government and decadent upper-middle classes who are perfectly happy to import millions of people to replace them when they get uppity.
Reminded of Winston Churchill's comment about naval tradition - "it's all rum, bum and the lash".
https://global.oup.com/academic/product/rum-sodomy-prayers-and-the-lash-revisited-9780198759973?cc=gb&lang=en&#
"The Edinboro Castle is a poncy pub with poncy interior decor and full of poncy people. Somebody else may well say it's a stylish cool pub with stylish cool decor and stylish cool people. So it's horses for courses. But at somepoint - probably when somebody decided to change the name from the "Edinburgh Castle" to the "Edinboro Castle", it became poncy. The other give away is that with their fish & chips (beer battered haddock and "skin-on" chips???) they don't do mushy peas. They do "crushed peas". See what I mean?
... The Edinboro Castle ticks all the "nice" boxes, but I think everything about is poncy, contrived, superficial and self-satisfied. If you're any of those you'll probably quite like it."
http://camdenpubs.blogspot.com/2012/07/edinboro-castle.html?m=1
Barratt are at least doing something about it, ensuring many families can achieve their dream of having a home of their own.
That may not be good enough for you, but it is for millions of others. And the homes they build get snapped up, which is evidence their homes are wanted - even if you think it's only because there's no other alternatives.
I'd love to see our planning system reformed so we don't rely on developers like Barratt but unless or until it happens at least they're building homes. Which is what is needed.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12373927/My-dream-home-turned-new-build-hell-Father-three-reveals-dozens-faults-three-bed-Barratt-home-builders-failed-turn-repairs-13-times.html
https://www.theirishworld.com/skehans/
So you really don't know if they actually are asylum seekers?
I blame the planning system.
The planning system means they don't face enough competition. In a more competitive system people would have more choice and could turn down inferior homes.
But if there is no alternative, then people end up having to want their only option.
If you knew anything about pubs - which you clearly don't - you would know it has been spelt that way for decades and, more inportantly, has one of the airiest interiors and biggest beer gardens in north London, maybe in all of London. As for being "contrived", it is about 160 years old, built for the navvies that built the railways right next door
It is a cracking pub, one that anyone would be delighted to call a local. It is 50 seconds walk from my flat. I love it
And the food used to be desperately shit, and is now notably pleasant
https://londonist.com/london/pubs/edinboro-castle
Apart from that, you made an excellent comment
Are they easily offended, as a rule?
"Did the Tory Party Chairman, supported by the Justice Secretary, really say he wished asylum seekers would fuck off?"
To which yours truly replied:
"How do you know they're asylum seekers when they accidentally, brutally destroy their papers?"
http://thecrooked-house.co.uk
(More proof that digital footprints live on after death.)
Suggest 'pithed frog'. What is, or used to be, done to frogs in A level biology etc.
We obviously need both.
Our population has gone up. That means we need more houses AND more infrastructure (roads). Not just one of them.
And for every year our population continues to rise, we need more houses, and more roads.
Edinboro is the best of them (as a pub); Dublin is rightly famous for music (some amazing stars have played there); Pembroke is posh and Primrose Hill, and pleasant
Spastic, like retarded, is due for a revival.
Nobody knows what pithed means.
I still don’t, despite reading your post.
(Which seems to me even more reason to preserve it, in a way. There’s a certain right wing view which suggests that poor people and provincials don’t deserve/cannot appreciate heritage buildings).
https://greatwen.com/2023/02/27/urban-myths-the-railway-castle-pubs-of-camden/
You need to give £300k or £400k to McLaren or Ferrari, to achieve anything close to the same performance with a petrol engine.
As you say, an electric powertrain is also much easier to drive slowly than an equivalent ICE car.
And yours hasn't got a massive beer garden. And it's not in groovy Camden, 2 minutes from Regent's Park
FAIL
Ohio back in play for the Democrats (unlikely, but still) would be "huge".
In 2017, Donald Trump traveled to eastern Ohio and told workers that manufacturing jobs were coming back. "Don't sell your house," he said.
Two years later, the GM plant in Lordstown closed. Workers felt betrayed.
This gives Biden a huge opportunity. 1/
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1688879130132013056
More generally, new, well paying jobs in EV manufacturing would be a significant win for Biden.
It is deeply satisfying
https://twitter.com/TansuYegen/status/1688667502912450560
To use 'spastic' as an insult is clearly fine - after all, you've not directed at the actual people with the condition from which the terms was derived, oh no.
Even so, they should toughen up and take in the chin, not get so snowflakey about it. And obviously they'd be free to use an abusive term that applied to you if only you were so impacted.
While you're at it which other similar terms do you plan to use going forward? N*****? P**fter? K*ke?
... I will go the extra mile for them."
2014 Nadine Dorries needs to have a word with 2023 Nadine Dorries. Here she is, arguing that constituents should have "more democratic control" over recalling their MP, saying "where MPs fall down is when they ignore their constituents".
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1688864306111143936
Not sure I would want to buy a house in a place famous for subsidence! Every house a Crooked House, perhaps named for the developers too!
Looks like the demolition of the entire structure was absolutely illegal. The council have confirmed. Some evil fucker is in trouble. Hunt them down and torment them
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/crooked-house-owner-slammed-pub-27480565#source=breaking-news
https://twitter.com/sashworthhayes/status/1687847729802649600
https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/101081019-newbury-park-station-bus-shelter-aldborough-ward
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_of_London
I have heard youngsters describe each other disparaging as "special needs".
We need to update our language, but even more so need to update our attitudes.
I am sure we will back to tearing strips out of each other by tomorrow. Or, indeed, tonight
The people who think they could get way with this are going to get a very nasty shock indeed. A similar thing happened in Maida Vale and the pub was restored, brick by brick, they same should happen here. I suspect as soon as the name of the people responsible is released we will discover a pattern of previous similar behaviour. If so, then send them to jail.
The tories have probably got another planning problem emerging, their hastily assembled proposal to allow barn conversions without planning permission in National Parks.
"David Butterworth, the CEO of the Yorkshire Dales national park, told the Guardian: “If I was trying to devise a policy that would essentially lead to the destruction of Yorkshire Dales national park, this would be the policy. These are permitted development rights to convert a property without any planning restriction. This means the 6,500 field barns in the Yorkshire Dales could be converted into homes. The idea they could be homes with no restrictions would decimate the landscapes.
“It is one of the most bonkers examples of environmental destruction I could think of. I am extremely concerned that this has been introduced now with an eight-week consultation. It is just crackers.”
The lib dems have jumped on it, and good luck to them. The tories are trying to shore up their base by blocking almost all new housebuilding in the countryside, at great economic cost, and then they go and do this - it's like one hand doesn't know what the other is doing.
Well it's either that or grade A incompetency - and I don't want to think which one it is...
Now the food is good, sometimes very good, and the service is fast and friendly. New management have entirely turned the pub around, AND refurbed it all really well. It is justifiably successful. It heaves on warm summer evenings. Must make big money
I note that the reviewer HATES BEER GARDENS. lol. File under: crank
Given that round my way the new build Barratt wonders are considerably cheaper than like for like Victorian/Edwardian built housing stock, I'd say that people's revealed preferences are cardboard box in the street < Barratt new build < Victorian terrace < Barn conversion in a nice place.
Problem is that we can't build Victorian style terrace houses anymore, developers and planners don't like them as they want the maximum houses in a given space.
Really the problem is that there are too many people in the country, which causes the massive pressure on housing, not least because we're currently letting in 3/4 million people a year and barely building housing for half of them. Personally I think we've the wrong net zero target - forget Co2, net zero immigration would go a long way to solving most of the UKs problems.