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edited August 2023 in General
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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,657
    1st. Like Trumpy.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,358
    Off topic cricket post. Play to restart at 4.20. Australia won't want to lose, but they'd like to win rather than draw. So - they'll bat normally until the lead is under 100. If they get there without losing a wicket, Head will be given his head and go for it. Could be fun, especially if the light holds.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,341
    Biden has to live one year.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,028

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    He won't
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,080
    edited July 2023
    FPT and on topic to the extent that it mentions the USA.
    rcs1000 said:

    So, if you spend £100k to totally rebuild your house, strip down the outside walls, fill the cavities, create a giant underground heating system, retrofit all the glazing and loft insulation and you don't mind cold baths, and are fine with wearing several jumpers and dressing gowns when it gets properly cold, then installing a strapping great ASHP can work really well. Otherwise, forget it.

    Glad we cleared that up.

    In New York - where it gets a lot colder than the UK - a lot of apartments are swapping AC units for window hanging ASHPs; admittedly, that's mostly because they are simply so much more efficient* at cooling than traditional AC units.

    * As in cheap from an electrical point of view
    That reminds me of an Alistair Cooke Letter from America where he was talking about New York and air conditioning, and the population growth in the Sun Belt since it was invented - via an impromptu 2 hour conversation with the PM of India.

    Script and recording here:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/20Ys9fljfcBM6Cp71mKt3hG/air-conditioning-and-changes-in-society-9-july-1999

    (Edit: link corrected)

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,529

    Off topic cricket post. Play to restart at 4.20. Australia won't want to lose, but they'd like to win rather than draw. So - they'll bat normally until the lead is under 100. If they get there without losing a wicket, Head will be given his head and go for it. Could be fun, especially if the light holds.

    There's enough time for England to win, although I don't think they will.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Iowa_Republican_presidential_caucuses

    Date = January 15, 2024

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Iowa_Republican_presidential_caucuses

    procedure for 2020 IA GOP precinct caucuses (methinks same for 2024) as per wiki:

    Precinct caucuses were held on the evening of Monday, February 3, 2020, in order to directly allocate delegates to the Iowa Republican county conventions. Only registered Iowan Republicans were allowed to participate. These delegates were proportionally allocated to each candidate based on the statewide vote.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Iowa_Democratic_presidential_caucuses

    "tentatively scheduled to be held in March 2024"
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,548
    edited July 2023

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    Realpolitik will prevail, as it always does. All that will actually change is the language used.

    Under Trump, there will be announcements of the acceleration of loads of new military systems for the wonderful brave men and women who serve, and creating or protecting tens of thousands of jobs in the MIC who fund the Republican Party. There might be a footnote somewhere about the systems they replace being sold to the UK (or other NATO allies) for $1.

    My criticism of Biden through this conflict, has been his constant championing of large dollar numbers on all the military aid packages to Ukraine. Which allows his political opponents to say that the money is better spent elsewhere, forgetting that the money was actually spent decades ago. No other country does this.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,546

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    His comments seem to have been misreported. He just said he was opposed to sending US reservists to Europe.
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155
    538 has an interesting article about who will drop out first in the GOP primary and I'm somewhat surprised that DeSantis isn't more prominent.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/2024-dropout-draft/

    It would look bad if the "frontrunner" against Trump drops out first, but considering his lacklustre fundraising and his recent Nazi propaganda problem, I wouldn't be surprised if he does. He won't want to wait to be beaten in Florida (where Trump is currently beating him in polls by 20%) and if he continues spending at his current rate he'll burn through all his cash before a single vote is cast in the primary:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/15/us/politics/desantis-pence-trump-fundraising.html

    The GOP primary is Trump's - he will win it short of death. Even imprisonment will not stop him.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,569

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    His comments seem to have been misreported. He just said he was opposed to sending US reservists to Europe.
    Up you pop again.

    Have you and Sandpit forgotten what Trump was impeached for the first time ?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    https://sos.iowa.gov/elections/voterinformation/regfaq.html

    The only time that party affiliation is important in terms of voting is in the case of a political party caucus or a primary election.

    In those cases, voters must be registered with the political party whose caucus or primary they wish to participate in. Voters have the right to change their affiliation and then participate in the caucus or primary election on the day those events are being held. (Ex. Someone who is registered as a Republican may participate in the Democratic primary election by changing his or her political affiliation to Democratic on the day the primary election is held and vice versa.)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,548

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    His comments seem to have been misreported. He just said he was opposed to sending US reservists to Europe.
    Up you pop again.

    Have you and Sandpit forgotten what Trump was impeached for the first time ?
    Trying to draw attention to Hunter Biden’s activities in Ukraine?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,940

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    His comments seem to have been misreported. He just said he was opposed to sending US reservists to Europe.
    Wait a minute, have we moved on already from a very stable genius move to force European countries to get more directly involved?
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,358

    Biden has to live one year.

    Jill's asking if he could have a bit longer, please.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,341

    Biden has to live one year.

    Jill's asking if he could have a bit longer, please.
    Shucks, it's actually a year and three weeks.

    Somewhat selfishly, I am focused on my Betfair Democratic nomination position.

    Presidency could pay out anytime in 2025. :/
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,546

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    His comments seem to have been misreported. He just said he was opposed to sending US reservists to Europe.
    Wait a minute, have we moved on already from a very stable genius move to force European countries to get more directly involved?
    I just said that would be the consequence of the US pulling back, not that it was an elaborate plan. European countries, including the UK, shouldn’t see themselves as passive objects of US policy.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,526
    Twitter (on web, not app) is not working for me. I get "Something went wrong. Try reloading." where the tweets should be.

    The amount of inconvenience to my life? Zero. :)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,569
    Sandpit said:

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    His comments seem to have been misreported. He just said he was opposed to sending US reservists to Europe.
    Up you pop again.

    Have you and Sandpit forgotten what Trump was impeached for the first time ?
    Trying to draw attention to Hunter Biden’s activities in Ukraine?
    He tried to blackmail Ukraine into giving false info linked into military aid.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,940
    edited July 2023

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    His comments seem to have been misreported. He just said he was opposed to sending US reservists to Europe.
    Wait a minute, have we moved on already from a very stable genius move to force European countries to get more directly involved?
    I just said that would be the consequence of the US pulling back, not that it was an elaborate plan. European countries, including the UK, shouldn’t see themselves as passive objects of US policy.
    Trump pal Orban already seems intent on not being a passive object of US policy.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Sandpit said:

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    His comments seem to have been misreported. He just said he was opposed to sending US reservists to Europe.
    Up you pop again.

    Have you and Sandpit forgotten what Trump was impeached for the first time ?
    Trying to draw attention to Hunter Biden’s activities in Ukraine?
    You mean, trying to shake down the UKR govt, just like Al Capone did with City of Chicago back in his day?

    Which Trump is now trying to do, yet again.
  • Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Put simply: I don't trust those who are pushing air-source heat pumps; they all have an agenda.

    I'm not risking the comfort and wellbeing of my family and a warm home until I go round to a trusted friend or neighbours house (on a cold and dark night) and feel it for myself, including having a hot bath.

    I now have an image in my head of a bloke of a certain age turning up on doorsteps in a frayed shorty terrycloth bathrobe and a towel over his arm, angrily demanding a bath. Not good.

    Who's in the bathroom?
    That angry bloke from next door. He took a picture of the old queen and a cucumber in with him.
    I've just cried myself silly laughing. My wife and dog thought I was having a breakdown.
    To be fair, even I laughed at that one!

    At least @Dura_Ace would offer me a bath, even if not a cucumber.
    Picture of a cucumber and the Queen wasn't it? :innocent:

    Or was there a missing Oxford comma? :open_mouth:
    Not required.

    I always carry a picture of the Queen with me.
    Paging @Anabobazina - we've got another cash user! :wink:
    Cash only at the Fairlop Waters fun fair!




    My local Thai restaurant (very good, btw) has a sign saying they prefer cash, as the charges on card payments are many hundreds a month.
    That's funny because typical card handling charges dropped to less than cash handling charges about a decade ago.

    If a business is trying to avoid card transactions nowadays its probably because they're seeking to evade (not avoid) HMRC rather than avoid bank charges.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,077

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    His comments seem to have been misreported. He just said he was opposed to sending US reservists to Europe.
    Wait a minute, have we moved on already from a very stable genius move to force European countries to get more directly involved?
    I just said that would be the consequence of the US pulling back, not that it was an elaborate plan. European countries, including the UK, shouldn’t see themselves as passive objects of US policy.
    Trump pal Orban already seems intent on not being passive object of US policy.
    Pretty passive when he assumes the position for Putin though.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,795

    Biden has to live one year.

    Jill's asking if he could have a bit longer, please.
    Shucks, it's actually a year and three weeks.

    Somewhat selfishly, I am focused on my Betfair Democratic nomination position.

    Presidency could pay out anytime in 2025. :/
    Year and three months?
  • Sandpit said:

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    His comments seem to have been misreported. He just said he was opposed to sending US reservists to Europe.
    Up you pop again.

    Have you and Sandpit forgotten what Trump was impeached for the first time ?
    Trying to draw attention to Hunter Biden’s activities in Ukraine?
    I'm disappointed, I thought you cared passionately about Ukraine.

    Trump is not to be trusted on Ukraine. That should be a deal breaker for all of us who aren't Putinists.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Cicero said:

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    His comments seem to have been misreported. He just said he was opposed to sending US reservists to Europe.
    Wait a minute, have we moved on already from a very stable genius move to force European countries to get more directly involved?
    I just said that would be the consequence of the US pulling back, not that it was an elaborate plan. European countries, including the UK, shouldn’t see themselves as passive objects of US policy.
    Trump pal Orban already seems intent on not being passive object of US policy.
    Pretty passive when he assumes the position for Putin though.
    Very interesting, when self-proclaiming pro-UKRers are broadcasting Putin propaganda.

    So what's up with that?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,886

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    His comments seem to have been misreported. He just said he was opposed to sending US reservists to Europe.
    Wait a minute, have we moved on already from a very stable genius move to force European countries to get more directly involved?
    I just said that would be the consequence of the US pulling back, not that it was an elaborate plan. European countries, including the UK, shouldn’t see themselves as passive objects of US policy.
    That ship has sailed. The EU/UK has always, militarily, culturally, politically been passive objects of US policy.

    It wasn't thus in 1775 but really sort of ever since then...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,341

    Biden has to live one year.

    Jill's asking if he could have a bit longer, please.
    Shucks, it's actually a year and three weeks.

    Somewhat selfishly, I am focused on my Betfair Democratic nomination position.

    Presidency could pay out anytime in 2025. :/
    Year and three months?
    2024 Democratic National Convention for Biden being nominee.
  • northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 1,639
    It’s just fucking insane, isn’t it?


  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,529

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Put simply: I don't trust those who are pushing air-source heat pumps; they all have an agenda.

    I'm not risking the comfort and wellbeing of my family and a warm home until I go round to a trusted friend or neighbours house (on a cold and dark night) and feel it for myself, including having a hot bath.

    I now have an image in my head of a bloke of a certain age turning up on doorsteps in a frayed shorty terrycloth bathrobe and a towel over his arm, angrily demanding a bath. Not good.

    Who's in the bathroom?
    That angry bloke from next door. He took a picture of the old queen and a cucumber in with him.
    I've just cried myself silly laughing. My wife and dog thought I was having a breakdown.
    To be fair, even I laughed at that one!

    At least @Dura_Ace would offer me a bath, even if not a cucumber.
    Picture of a cucumber and the Queen wasn't it? :innocent:

    Or was there a missing Oxford comma? :open_mouth:
    Not required.

    I always carry a picture of the Queen with me.
    Paging @Anabobazina - we've got another cash user! :wink:
    Cash only at the Fairlop Waters fun fair!




    My local Thai restaurant (very good, btw) has a sign saying they prefer cash, as the charges on card payments are many hundreds a month.
    That's funny because typical card handling charges dropped to less than cash handling charges about a decade ago.

    If a business is trying to avoid card transactions nowadays its probably because they're seeking to evade (not avoid) HMRC rather than avoid bank charges.
    Let's not associate cash with dodgy practices when most fraud these days is probably electronic.
  • It’s just fucking insane, isn’t it?


    That people like you and Scott are still ranting about Brexit? Yes, it absolutely is. Move on already.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    So Donald Trump is NOT pimping for Putin? Just like RFKjr is NOT anti-vax!

    AP (via Seattle Times) - RFK Jr. says he’s not anti-vaccine. His record shows the opposite. It’s one of many inconsistencies

    . . . The contradictions between what Kennedy says and his track record were nowhere more apparent than when he testified before a congressional committee this month at the invitation of Republican members.

    Anti-vaccine activists, some who work for Kennedy’s nonprofit group Children’s Health Defense, sat in the rows behind him, watching as he insisted “I have never been anti-vaxx. I have never told the public to avoid vaccination.” . . .
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,028
    edited July 2023

    ...the UK, shouldn’t see themselves as passive objects of US policy...

    If the UK did see itself as passive objects of US policy, the armed forces would be properly funded, its materiel would work, and we'd know where we were deploying and when.

    Instead, since the mid-2010s we've followed a policy of facilitating the US without actually offering stuff they want. We've allowed deployment of a US wing on one of the carriers (the "conference centre" model), but when we tried to deploy a carrier alongside them in the Pacific they weren't really interested and we couldn't get it done. We can't even do servile correctly.

    The US Marines sold off all their tanks and upgraded their Wasp-class carriers. We could have bought all their Abrams and bought a couple of Wasp-class and converted them to "Lightning carriers", retaining an amphibious capability we lost when we sold Ocean (and arguably back to selling off stuff like the things like the Fearless). We're an island (ok, archipelago). Anything we fight with must be airlifted or shipped, and landed under fire. We (punches wall) can't do that at the moment.

    (slams door)

  • Andy_JS said:

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Put simply: I don't trust those who are pushing air-source heat pumps; they all have an agenda.

    I'm not risking the comfort and wellbeing of my family and a warm home until I go round to a trusted friend or neighbours house (on a cold and dark night) and feel it for myself, including having a hot bath.

    I now have an image in my head of a bloke of a certain age turning up on doorsteps in a frayed shorty terrycloth bathrobe and a towel over his arm, angrily demanding a bath. Not good.

    Who's in the bathroom?
    That angry bloke from next door. He took a picture of the old queen and a cucumber in with him.
    I've just cried myself silly laughing. My wife and dog thought I was having a breakdown.
    To be fair, even I laughed at that one!

    At least @Dura_Ace would offer me a bath, even if not a cucumber.
    Picture of a cucumber and the Queen wasn't it? :innocent:

    Or was there a missing Oxford comma? :open_mouth:
    Not required.

    I always carry a picture of the Queen with me.
    Paging @Anabobazina - we've got another cash user! :wink:
    Cash only at the Fairlop Waters fun fair!




    My local Thai restaurant (very good, btw) has a sign saying they prefer cash, as the charges on card payments are many hundreds a month.
    That's funny because typical card handling charges dropped to less than cash handling charges about a decade ago.

    If a business is trying to avoid card transactions nowadays its probably because they're seeking to evade (not avoid) HMRC rather than avoid bank charges.
    Let's not associate cash with dodgy practices when most fraud these days is probably electronic.
    The fact much fraud is carried out by other means does not detract from BR's point.

    Receiving payment in cash is a pretty good way of avoiding running it through the accounts, and the explanation that the cost of handling cash is less than that of handling card transactions is questionable these days.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,963

    It’s just fucking insane, isn’t it?

    Just feel how much control we took back...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,529
    "Adam Brooks AKA EssexPR 🇬🇧
    @EssexPR

    Piers Corbyn is bonkers, but he’s bloody right here.
    The mission creep to move away from cash will impact so many old, vulnerable and cash businesses, at a time when banks are shutting branches and cancelling accounts for opinions that they don’t like."

    https://twitter.com/EssexPR/status/1685952120158097408
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,795

    Biden has to live one year.

    Jill's asking if he could have a bit longer, please.
    Shucks, it's actually a year and three weeks.

    Somewhat selfishly, I am focused on my Betfair Democratic nomination position.

    Presidency could pay out anytime in 2025. :/
    Year and three months?
    2024 Democratic National Convention for Biden being nominee.
    But hopefully he'll be there for the actual election next November!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,788
    edited July 2023

    It’s just fucking insane, isn’t it?


    That people like you and Scott are still ranting about Brexit? Yes, it absolutely is. Move on already.
    That the Scouts are made de facto to remain in the UK? I suppose it's very much in accord with the Brexit philosophy.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,406

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Put simply: I don't trust those who are pushing air-source heat pumps; they all have an agenda.

    I'm not risking the comfort and wellbeing of my family and a warm home until I go round to a trusted friend or neighbours house (on a cold and dark night) and feel it for myself, including having a hot bath.

    I now have an image in my head of a bloke of a certain age turning up on doorsteps in a frayed shorty terrycloth bathrobe and a towel over his arm, angrily demanding a bath. Not good.

    Who's in the bathroom?
    That angry bloke from next door. He took a picture of the old queen and a cucumber in with him.
    I've just cried myself silly laughing. My wife and dog thought I was having a breakdown.
    To be fair, even I laughed at that one!

    At least @Dura_Ace would offer me a bath, even if not a cucumber.
    Picture of a cucumber and the Queen wasn't it? :innocent:

    Or was there a missing Oxford comma? :open_mouth:
    Not required.

    I always carry a picture of the Queen with me.
    Paging @Anabobazina - we've got another cash user! :wink:
    Cash only at the Fairlop Waters fun fair!




    My local Thai restaurant (very good, btw) has a sign saying they prefer cash, as the charges on card payments are many hundreds a month.
    That's funny because typical card handling charges dropped to less than cash handling charges about a decade ago.

    If a business is trying to avoid card transactions nowadays its probably because they're seeking to evade (not avoid) HMRC rather than avoid bank charges.
    It’s many years since I had a business which dealt with credit cards but most were OK except American Express who charged several more percentage points than anyone else.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,482

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    His comments seem to have been misreported. He just said he was opposed to sending US reservists to Europe.
    HIs comments as reported today

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4127166-donald-trump-urges-pause-on-ukraine-aid-amid-biden-probe/
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,392

    So Donald Trump is NOT pimping for Putin? Just like RFKjr is NOT anti-vax!

    AP (via Seattle Times) - RFK Jr. says he’s not anti-vaccine. His record shows the opposite. It’s one of many inconsistencies

    . . . The contradictions between what Kennedy says and his track record were nowhere more apparent than when he testified before a congressional committee this month at the invitation of Republican members.

    Anti-vaccine activists, some who work for Kennedy’s nonprofit group Children’s Health Defense, sat in the rows behind him, watching as he insisted “I have never been anti-vaxx. I have never told the public to avoid vaccination.” . . .

    Maybe you should worry more about living in a gerontocray

    Mitch Mcconnell should be in a home
    What they are doing to Diane Feinstein borders on cruelty
    Biden should be spending more time with his grandchildren
    Trump should be happily ignored

    About the only positive has been Pelosi put out to grass.



  • Andy_JS said:

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Put simply: I don't trust those who are pushing air-source heat pumps; they all have an agenda.

    I'm not risking the comfort and wellbeing of my family and a warm home until I go round to a trusted friend or neighbours house (on a cold and dark night) and feel it for myself, including having a hot bath.

    I now have an image in my head of a bloke of a certain age turning up on doorsteps in a frayed shorty terrycloth bathrobe and a towel over his arm, angrily demanding a bath. Not good.

    Who's in the bathroom?
    That angry bloke from next door. He took a picture of the old queen and a cucumber in with him.
    I've just cried myself silly laughing. My wife and dog thought I was having a breakdown.
    To be fair, even I laughed at that one!

    At least @Dura_Ace would offer me a bath, even if not a cucumber.
    Picture of a cucumber and the Queen wasn't it? :innocent:

    Or was there a missing Oxford comma? :open_mouth:
    Not required.

    I always carry a picture of the Queen with me.
    Paging @Anabobazina - we've got another cash user! :wink:
    Cash only at the Fairlop Waters fun fair!




    My local Thai restaurant (very good, btw) has a sign saying they prefer cash, as the charges on card payments are many hundreds a month.
    That's funny because typical card handling charges dropped to less than cash handling charges about a decade ago.

    If a business is trying to avoid card transactions nowadays its probably because they're seeking to evade (not avoid) HMRC rather than avoid bank charges.
    Let's not associate cash with dodgy practices when most fraud these days is probably electronic.
    Don't be naïve.

    Cash absolutely is associated with dodgy practices, because that's the last major reason people want to use cash. And most fraud, by far, is associated with cash - especially including tax evasion and not putting sales through the books so you don't have to pay VAT etc.

    Cash is more expensive for businesses to handle than cards, so why do you think businesses are trying to avoid card transactions? Its because of 20% VAT on sales that can't be evaded when you pay tax. Plus you can't pay people cash in hand with electronic transactions either so have to pay Employers National Insurance too.

    Saying don't associate cash with dodgy practices is just denialism. Cash is associated with dodgy practices, that's a simple fact.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,356

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Put simply: I don't trust those who are pushing air-source heat pumps; they all have an agenda.

    I'm not risking the comfort and wellbeing of my family and a warm home until I go round to a trusted friend or neighbours house (on a cold and dark night) and feel it for myself, including having a hot bath.

    I now have an image in my head of a bloke of a certain age turning up on doorsteps in a frayed shorty terrycloth bathrobe and a towel over his arm, angrily demanding a bath. Not good.

    Who's in the bathroom?
    That angry bloke from next door. He took a picture of the old queen and a cucumber in with him.
    I've just cried myself silly laughing. My wife and dog thought I was having a breakdown.
    To be fair, even I laughed at that one!

    At least @Dura_Ace would offer me a bath, even if not a cucumber.
    Picture of a cucumber and the Queen wasn't it? :innocent:

    Or was there a missing Oxford comma? :open_mouth:
    Not required.

    I always carry a picture of the Queen with me.
    Paging @Anabobazina - we've got another cash user! :wink:
    Cash only at the Fairlop Waters fun fair!




    My local Thai restaurant (very good, btw) has a sign saying they prefer cash, as the charges on card payments are many hundreds a month.
    That's funny because typical card handling charges dropped to less than cash handling charges about a decade ago.

    If a business is trying to avoid card transactions nowadays its probably because they're seeking to evade (not avoid) HMRC rather than avoid bank charges.
    It’s many years since I had a business which dealt with credit cards but most were OK except American Express who charged several more percentage points than anyone else.
    Amex still charge way more than anyone else - I suspect you won't lose much trade if you refuse to take it but that could be very dependent on the services you provide / the goods you sell.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    His comments seem to have been misreported. He just said he was opposed to sending US reservists to Europe.
    HIs comments as reported today

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4127166-donald-trump-urges-pause-on-ukraine-aid-amid-biden-probe/
    No doubt we will be informed, by the unusual suspect, that DJT's remarks are being "misreported"?

    By DJT!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,548

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Put simply: I don't trust those who are pushing air-source heat pumps; they all have an agenda.

    I'm not risking the comfort and wellbeing of my family and a warm home until I go round to a trusted friend or neighbours house (on a cold and dark night) and feel it for myself, including having a hot bath.

    I now have an image in my head of a bloke of a certain age turning up on doorsteps in a frayed shorty terrycloth bathrobe and a towel over his arm, angrily demanding a bath. Not good.

    Who's in the bathroom?
    That angry bloke from next door. He took a picture of the old queen and a cucumber in with him.
    I've just cried myself silly laughing. My wife and dog thought I was having a breakdown.
    To be fair, even I laughed at that one!

    At least @Dura_Ace would offer me a bath, even if not a cucumber.
    Picture of a cucumber and the Queen wasn't it? :innocent:

    Or was there a missing Oxford comma? :open_mouth:
    Not required.

    I always carry a picture of the Queen with me.
    Paging @Anabobazina - we've got another cash user! :wink:
    Cash only at the Fairlop Waters fun fair!




    My local Thai restaurant (very good, btw) has a sign saying they prefer cash, as the charges on card payments are many hundreds a month.
    That's funny because typical card handling charges dropped to less than cash handling charges about a decade ago.

    If a business is trying to avoid card transactions nowadays its probably because they're seeking to evade (not avoid) HMRC rather than avoid bank charges.
    It’s many years since I had a business which dealt with credit cards but most were OK except American Express who charged several more percentage points than anyone else.
    Amex used to have a 3% charge that came straight off the top line. You took a £100 transaction, they’d give you £97.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,077

    So Donald Trump is NOT pimping for Putin? Just like RFKjr is NOT anti-vax!

    AP (via Seattle Times) - RFK Jr. says he’s not anti-vaccine. His record shows the opposite. It’s one of many inconsistencies

    . . . The contradictions between what Kennedy says and his track record were nowhere more apparent than when he testified before a congressional committee this month at the invitation of Republican members.

    Anti-vaccine activists, some who work for Kennedy’s nonprofit group Children’s Health Defense, sat in the rows behind him, watching as he insisted “I have never been anti-vaxx. I have never told the public to avoid vaccination.” . . .

    Maybe you should worry more about living in a gerontocray

    Mitch Mcconnell should be in a home
    What they are doing to Diane Feinstein borders on cruelty
    Biden should be spending more time with his grandchildren
    Trump should be happily ignored

    About the only positive has been Pelosi put out to grass.



    They (as in the Democrats) are trying to get Dianne Feinstein to step down, as she is unable to perform her duties.

    What would you suggest they do instead?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,356
    Carnyx said:

    It’s just fucking insane, isn’t it?


    That people like you and Scott are still ranting about Brexit? Yes, it absolutely is. Move on already.
    That the Scouts are made de facto to remain in the UK? I suppose it's very much in accord with the Brexit philosophy.
    I'm at a loss as to what the cost is.

    Southampton Scouts have just taken a whole minivan fall of camping stuff to Switzerland without a problem (it's a national event that Southampton were invited to, various others including Twin A tagged along)...
  • eek said:

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Put simply: I don't trust those who are pushing air-source heat pumps; they all have an agenda.

    I'm not risking the comfort and wellbeing of my family and a warm home until I go round to a trusted friend or neighbours house (on a cold and dark night) and feel it for myself, including having a hot bath.

    I now have an image in my head of a bloke of a certain age turning up on doorsteps in a frayed shorty terrycloth bathrobe and a towel over his arm, angrily demanding a bath. Not good.

    Who's in the bathroom?
    That angry bloke from next door. He took a picture of the old queen and a cucumber in with him.
    I've just cried myself silly laughing. My wife and dog thought I was having a breakdown.
    To be fair, even I laughed at that one!

    At least @Dura_Ace would offer me a bath, even if not a cucumber.
    Picture of a cucumber and the Queen wasn't it? :innocent:

    Or was there a missing Oxford comma? :open_mouth:
    Not required.

    I always carry a picture of the Queen with me.
    Paging @Anabobazina - we've got another cash user! :wink:
    Cash only at the Fairlop Waters fun fair!




    My local Thai restaurant (very good, btw) has a sign saying they prefer cash, as the charges on card payments are many hundreds a month.
    That's funny because typical card handling charges dropped to less than cash handling charges about a decade ago.

    If a business is trying to avoid card transactions nowadays its probably because they're seeking to evade (not avoid) HMRC rather than avoid bank charges.
    It’s many years since I had a business which dealt with credit cards but most were OK except American Express who charged several more percentage points than anyone else.
    Amex still charge way more than anyone else - I suspect you won't lose much trade if you refuse to take it but that could be very dependent on the services you provide / the goods you sell.
    Yes, Amex absolutely are the exception to the rule, which is how they can afford to pay cashback, which is why people want to use them and why many businesses won't take them.

    Its also why I never go out only with my Amex. If at a new business I'll ask if they accept them, and if they say no (most of the time) I'll pay with my other card instead.

    But for VISA and Mastercard their card handling charges nowadays are cheaper than cash handling charges.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    So Donald Trump is NOT pimping for Putin? Just like RFKjr is NOT anti-vax!

    AP (via Seattle Times) - RFK Jr. says he’s not anti-vaccine. His record shows the opposite. It’s one of many inconsistencies

    . . . The contradictions between what Kennedy says and his track record were nowhere more apparent than when he testified before a congressional committee this month at the invitation of Republican members.

    Anti-vaccine activists, some who work for Kennedy’s nonprofit group Children’s Health Defense, sat in the rows behind him, watching as he insisted “I have never been anti-vaxx. I have never told the public to avoid vaccination.” . . .

    Maybe you should worry more about living in a gerontocray

    Mitch Mcconnell should be in a home
    What they are doing to Diane Feinstein borders on cruelty
    Biden should be spending more time with his grandchildren
    Trump should be happily ignored

    About the only positive has been Pelosi put out to grass.



    Maybe I should be more worried about motives of those pimping for Putin?

    "Trump should be happily ignored"??????
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,392
    rcs1000 said:

    So Donald Trump is NOT pimping for Putin? Just like RFKjr is NOT anti-vax!

    AP (via Seattle Times) - RFK Jr. says he’s not anti-vaccine. His record shows the opposite. It’s one of many inconsistencies

    . . . The contradictions between what Kennedy says and his track record were nowhere more apparent than when he testified before a congressional committee this month at the invitation of Republican members.

    Anti-vaccine activists, some who work for Kennedy’s nonprofit group Children’s Health Defense, sat in the rows behind him, watching as he insisted “I have never been anti-vaxx. I have never told the public to avoid vaccination.” . . .

    Maybe you should worry more about living in a gerontocray

    Mitch Mcconnell should be in a home
    What they are doing to Diane Feinstein borders on cruelty
    Biden should be spending more time with his grandchildren
    Trump should be happily ignored

    About the only positive has been Pelosi put out to grass.



    They (as in the Democrats) are trying to get Dianne Feinstein to step down, as she is unable to perform her duties.

    What would you suggest they do instead?
    Do it faster

    This is hardly a recent event.
  • .
    eek said:

    Carnyx said:

    It’s just fucking insane, isn’t it?


    That people like you and Scott are still ranting about Brexit? Yes, it absolutely is. Move on already.
    That the Scouts are made de facto to remain in the UK? I suppose it's very much in accord with the Brexit philosophy.
    I'm at a loss as to what the cost is.

    Southampton Scouts have just taken a whole minivan fall of camping stuff to Switzerland without a problem (it's a national event that Southampton were invited to, various others including Twin A tagged along)...
    Of course they did, because they actually wanted to go camping and not engage in a decade old argument.

    The cost is a fictional cost to spread lies on Twitter that are swallowed up eagerly by the likes of Scott and northern_monkey.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,341
    TOPPING said:

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    His comments seem to have been misreported. He just said he was opposed to sending US reservists to Europe.
    Wait a minute, have we moved on already from a very stable genius move to force European countries to get more directly involved?
    I just said that would be the consequence of the US pulling back, not that it was an elaborate plan. European countries, including the UK, shouldn’t see themselves as passive objects of US policy.
    That ship has sailed. The EU/UK has always, militarily, culturally, politically been passive objects of US policy.

    It wasn't thus in 1775 but really sort of ever since then...
    I don't think the USA made its presence felt in international politics until the 1870s.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 692
    Head gone.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,392

    So Donald Trump is NOT pimping for Putin? Just like RFKjr is NOT anti-vax!

    AP (via Seattle Times) - RFK Jr. says he’s not anti-vaccine. His record shows the opposite. It’s one of many inconsistencies

    . . . The contradictions between what Kennedy says and his track record were nowhere more apparent than when he testified before a congressional committee this month at the invitation of Republican members.

    Anti-vaccine activists, some who work for Kennedy’s nonprofit group Children’s Health Defense, sat in the rows behind him, watching as he insisted “I have never been anti-vaxx. I have never told the public to avoid vaccination.” . . .

    Maybe you should worry more about living in a gerontocray

    Mitch Mcconnell should be in a home
    What they are doing to Diane Feinstein borders on cruelty
    Biden should be spending more time with his grandchildren
    Trump should be happily ignored

    About the only positive has been Pelosi put out to grass.



    Maybe I should be more worried about motives of those pimping for Putin?

    "Trump should be happily ignored"??????
    Yes, Trump is a narcissist the more you give him attention the more he thrives, The Dems constant efforts to nobble the system just gives him the attention he craves.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,548
    Moeen Ali gets Head.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,406

    .

    eek said:

    Carnyx said:

    It’s just fucking insane, isn’t it?


    That people like you and Scott are still ranting about Brexit? Yes, it absolutely is. Move on already.
    That the Scouts are made de facto to remain in the UK? I suppose it's very much in accord with the Brexit philosophy.
    I'm at a loss as to what the cost is.

    Southampton Scouts have just taken a whole minivan fall of camping stuff to Switzerland without a problem (it's a national event that Southampton were invited to, various others including Twin A tagged along)...
    Of course they did, because they actually wanted to go camping and not engage in a decade old argument.

    The cost is a fictional cost to spread lies on Twitter that are swallowed up eagerly by the likes of Scott and northern_monkey.
    Sealed van going through France as opposed to one going to a campsite in France?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,546

    So Donald Trump is NOT pimping for Putin? Just like RFKjr is NOT anti-vax!

    AP (via Seattle Times) - RFK Jr. says he’s not anti-vaccine. His record shows the opposite. It’s one of many inconsistencies

    . . . The contradictions between what Kennedy says and his track record were nowhere more apparent than when he testified before a congressional committee this month at the invitation of Republican members.

    Anti-vaccine activists, some who work for Kennedy’s nonprofit group Children’s Health Defense, sat in the rows behind him, watching as he insisted “I have never been anti-vaxx. I have never told the public to avoid vaccination.” . . .

    Maybe you should worry more about living in a gerontocray

    Mitch Mcconnell should be in a home
    What they are doing to Diane Feinstein borders on cruelty
    Biden should be spending more time with his grandchildren
    Trump should be happily ignored

    About the only positive has been Pelosi put out to grass.
    Maybe I should be more worried about motives of those pimping for Putin?
    You're a total hypocrite on this question. You constantly cast doubt on the integrity of Western elections and try to delegitimise democratic views.
  • rcs1000 said:

    So Donald Trump is NOT pimping for Putin? Just like RFKjr is NOT anti-vax!

    AP (via Seattle Times) - RFK Jr. says he’s not anti-vaccine. His record shows the opposite. It’s one of many inconsistencies

    . . . The contradictions between what Kennedy says and his track record were nowhere more apparent than when he testified before a congressional committee this month at the invitation of Republican members.

    Anti-vaccine activists, some who work for Kennedy’s nonprofit group Children’s Health Defense, sat in the rows behind him, watching as he insisted “I have never been anti-vaxx. I have never told the public to avoid vaccination.” . . .

    Maybe you should worry more about living in a gerontocray

    Mitch Mcconnell should be in a home
    What they are doing to Diane Feinstein borders on cruelty
    Biden should be spending more time with his grandchildren
    Trump should be happily ignored

    About the only positive has been Pelosi put out to grass.



    They (as in the Democrats) are trying to get Dianne Feinstein to step down, as she is unable to perform her duties.

    What would you suggest they do instead?
    Do it faster

    This is hardly a recent event.
    Your original comment was "What they are doing to Diane Feinstein borders on cruelty".

    What RCS was simply pointing out is that she's the one who has decided not to step down, whereas her party wants her to do so.

    I don't understand what you mean by "do it faster". She could resign with immediate effect now (by which I don't mean the Nadine Dorries version of "immediate effect"). Could you explain as your point makes little sense?
  • Sandpit said:

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    Realpolitik will prevail, as it always does. All that will actually change is the language used.

    Under Trump, there will be announcements of the acceleration of loads of new military systems for the wonderful brave men and women who serve, and creating or protecting tens of thousands of jobs in the MIC who fund the Republican Party. There might be a footnote somewhere about the systems they replace being sold to the UK (or other NATO allies) for $1.

    My criticism of Biden through this conflict, has been his constant championing of large dollar numbers on all the military aid packages to Ukraine. Which allows his political opponents to say that the money is better spent elsewhere, forgetting that the money was actually spent decades ago. No other country does this.
    Realpolitik like those who said when Russia invaded Crimea that there's nothing to be done about it?

    Realpolitik like those who said at the start of last year's new invasion "there's no point sending arms to Ukraine, Kiev will fall within days anyway"?

    Or Realpolitik like those who said "Ukrainian lives will be lost in this war, they should settle with Russia"?

    Or Realpolitik like those who said "its not possible for Ukraine to liberate land like Kharkiv or Kherson from Russia" so don't send arms to Ukraine?

    Or Realpolitik like those who say "Russia has nukes, we should anger them".

    Or Realpolitik like those who still say "its not possible for Ukraine to liberate Crimea or other lands back to its own borders, so settle with Russia in a stalemate"?

    Excuse me, but I have no faith in Realpolitik, I want to see Ukraine supported despite the claims of those engaging in Realpolitik, not because of it. I thought you did too?
  • CorrectHorseBatCorrectHorseBat Posts: 1,761
    Another week and the Labour lead remains over 20 points.

    What is Sunak's strategy?

    At this point in the GE19 cycle the intelligent people of which I was not one, were calling a landslide for Johnson and there was no way back for Corbyn. Yet these same people seem reluctant to say the same now, why is this? What am I missing.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,356

    .

    eek said:

    Carnyx said:

    It’s just fucking insane, isn’t it?


    That people like you and Scott are still ranting about Brexit? Yes, it absolutely is. Move on already.
    That the Scouts are made de facto to remain in the UK? I suppose it's very much in accord with the Brexit philosophy.
    I'm at a loss as to what the cost is.

    Southampton Scouts have just taken a whole minivan fall of camping stuff to Switzerland without a problem (it's a national event that Southampton were invited to, various others including Twin A tagged along)...
    Of course they did, because they actually wanted to go camping and not engage in a decade old argument.

    The cost is a fictional cost to spread lies on Twitter that are swallowed up eagerly by the likes of Scott and northern_monkey.
    Sealed van going through France as opposed to one going to a campsite in France?
    There is no such thing as a sealed transit van - it was just a transit van full of people's backpacks and tents....
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,529
    edited July 2023
    Didn't realise Dianne Feinstein is 90 years old.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 692
    Smith gone.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,795

    TOPPING said:

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    His comments seem to have been misreported. He just said he was opposed to sending US reservists to Europe.
    Wait a minute, have we moved on already from a very stable genius move to force European countries to get more directly involved?
    I just said that would be the consequence of the US pulling back, not that it was an elaborate plan. European countries, including the UK, shouldn’t see themselves as passive objects of US policy.
    That ship has sailed. The EU/UK has always, militarily, culturally, politically been passive objects of US policy.

    It wasn't thus in 1775 but really sort of ever since then...
    I don't think the USA made its presence felt in international politics until the 1870s.
    1898 arguably, when they trounced Spain.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,356

    Another week and the Labour lead remains over 20 points.

    What is Sunak's strategy?

    At this point in the GE19 cycle the intelligent people of which I was not one, were calling a landslide for Johnson and there was no way back for Corbyn. Yet these same people seem reluctant to say the same now, why is this? What am I missing.

    As with you in 2019 it's Hope over reality....
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,546

    Sandpit said:

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    Realpolitik will prevail, as it always does. All that will actually change is the language used.

    Under Trump, there will be announcements of the acceleration of loads of new military systems for the wonderful brave men and women who serve, and creating or protecting tens of thousands of jobs in the MIC who fund the Republican Party. There might be a footnote somewhere about the systems they replace being sold to the UK (or other NATO allies) for $1.

    My criticism of Biden through this conflict, has been his constant championing of large dollar numbers on all the military aid packages to Ukraine. Which allows his political opponents to say that the money is better spent elsewhere, forgetting that the money was actually spent decades ago. No other country does this.
    Realpolitik like those who said when Russia invaded Crimea that there's nothing to be done about it?

    Realpolitik like those who said at the start of last year's new invasion "there's no point sending arms to Ukraine, Kiev will fall within days anyway"?

    Or Realpolitik like those who said "Ukrainian lives will be lost in this war, they should settle with Russia"?

    Or Realpolitik like those who said "its not possible for Ukraine to liberate land like Kharkiv or Kherson from Russia" so don't send arms to Ukraine?

    Or Realpolitik like those who say "Russia has nukes, we should anger them".

    Or Realpolitik like those who still say "its not possible for Ukraine to liberate Crimea or other lands back to its own borders, so settle with Russia in a stalemate"?

    Excuse me, but I have no faith in Realpolitik, I want to see Ukraine supported despite the claims of those engaging in Realpolitik, not because of it. I thought you did too?
    When Biden says that he can't give Ukraine more because it would split the EU and NATO, how do you feel? His policy is to do only as much as it takes to avoid countries like Poland getting directly involved while placating Germany and France.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,795

    So Donald Trump is NOT pimping for Putin? Just like RFKjr is NOT anti-vax!

    AP (via Seattle Times) - RFK Jr. says he’s not anti-vaccine. His record shows the opposite. It’s one of many inconsistencies

    . . . The contradictions between what Kennedy says and his track record were nowhere more apparent than when he testified before a congressional committee this month at the invitation of Republican members.

    Anti-vaccine activists, some who work for Kennedy’s nonprofit group Children’s Health Defense, sat in the rows behind him, watching as he insisted “I have never been anti-vaxx. I have never told the public to avoid vaccination.” . . .

    Maybe you should worry more about living in a gerontocray

    Mitch Mcconnell should be in a home
    What they are doing to Diane Feinstein borders on cruelty
    Biden should be spending more time with his grandchildren
    Trump should be happily ignored

    About the only positive has been Pelosi put out to grass.
    Maybe I should be more worried about motives of those pimping for Putin?
    You're a total hypocrite on this question. You constantly cast doubt on the integrity of Western elections and try to delegitimise democratic views.
    Biden 81 million votes
    Trump 74 million votes
  • Another week and the Labour lead remains over 20 points.

    What is Sunak's strategy?

    At this point in the GE19 cycle the intelligent people of which I was not one, were calling a landslide for Johnson and there was no way back for Corbyn. Yet these same people seem reluctant to say the same now, why is this? What am I missing.

    Swingback.

    I am pretty certain Labour will win an overall majority, but swingback goes to the Government not the Opposition so its not certain. That's what you're missing. Totally cackhanded 2017 being about the only ever exception to the rule.

    Oh and at this point in the GE19 cycle nobody was calling anything for Johnson, since at this point in the GE19 cycle the Tories were still led by Theresa May. Its over a year before the next General Election so the comparable point in this cycle would be 2018 and nobody was calling anything certain then - it was only once the General Election was called that people became pretty sure that a Tory majority was certain - the polls were incredibly volatile before then with Jeremy Corbyn's Labour being in the lead at one stage in 2019 before Boris became Prime Minster.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,548

    Sandpit said:

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    Realpolitik will prevail, as it always does. All that will actually change is the language used.

    Under Trump, there will be announcements of the acceleration of loads of new military systems for the wonderful brave men and women who serve, and creating or protecting tens of thousands of jobs in the MIC who fund the Republican Party. There might be a footnote somewhere about the systems they replace being sold to the UK (or other NATO allies) for $1.

    My criticism of Biden through this conflict, has been his constant championing of large dollar numbers on all the military aid packages to Ukraine. Which allows his political opponents to say that the money is better spent elsewhere, forgetting that the money was actually spent decades ago. No other country does this.
    Realpolitik like those who said when Russia invaded Crimea that there's nothing to be done about it?

    Realpolitik like those who said at the start of last year's new invasion "there's no point sending arms to Ukraine, Kiev will fall within days anyway"?

    Or Realpolitik like those who said "Ukrainian lives will be lost in this war, they should settle with Russia"?

    Or Realpolitik like those who said "its not possible for Ukraine to liberate land like Kharkiv or Kherson from Russia" so don't send arms to Ukraine?

    Or Realpolitik like those who say "Russia has nukes, we should anger them".

    Or Realpolitik like those who still say "its not possible for Ukraine to liberate Crimea or other lands back to its own borders, so settle with Russia in a stalemate"?

    Excuse me, but I have no faith in Realpolitik, I want to see Ukraine supported despite the claims of those engaging in Realpolitik, not because of it. I thought you did too?
    I have every confidence in the Military Industrial Complex, and the US Deep State, prevailing, no matter who happens to occupy that big white house in Washington.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,378
    Well now
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 692
    Marsh gone.
  • Sandpit said:

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    Realpolitik will prevail, as it always does. All that will actually change is the language used.

    Under Trump, there will be announcements of the acceleration of loads of new military systems for the wonderful brave men and women who serve, and creating or protecting tens of thousands of jobs in the MIC who fund the Republican Party. There might be a footnote somewhere about the systems they replace being sold to the UK (or other NATO allies) for $1.

    My criticism of Biden through this conflict, has been his constant championing of large dollar numbers on all the military aid packages to Ukraine. Which allows his political opponents to say that the money is better spent elsewhere, forgetting that the money was actually spent decades ago. No other country does this.
    Realpolitik like those who said when Russia invaded Crimea that there's nothing to be done about it?

    Realpolitik like those who said at the start of last year's new invasion "there's no point sending arms to Ukraine, Kiev will fall within days anyway"?

    Or Realpolitik like those who said "Ukrainian lives will be lost in this war, they should settle with Russia"?

    Or Realpolitik like those who said "its not possible for Ukraine to liberate land like Kharkiv or Kherson from Russia" so don't send arms to Ukraine?

    Or Realpolitik like those who say "Russia has nukes, we should anger them".

    Or Realpolitik like those who still say "its not possible for Ukraine to liberate Crimea or other lands back to its own borders, so settle with Russia in a stalemate"?

    Excuse me, but I have no faith in Realpolitik, I want to see Ukraine supported despite the claims of those engaging in Realpolitik, not because of it. I thought you did too?
    When Biden says that he can't give Ukraine more because it would split the EU and NATO, how do you feel? His policy is to do only as much as it takes to avoid countries like Poland getting directly involved while placating Germany and France.
    I feel he's doing as much as he thinks he can.

    Which I do not feel Trump would do - and Trump has said as much himself and I believe him.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,650
    Oh hello. Convicts getting the jitters.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,548
    Great catch!!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,795
    Andy_JS said:

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Put simply: I don't trust those who are pushing air-source heat pumps; they all have an agenda.

    I'm not risking the comfort and wellbeing of my family and a warm home until I go round to a trusted friend or neighbours house (on a cold and dark night) and feel it for myself, including having a hot bath.

    I now have an image in my head of a bloke of a certain age turning up on doorsteps in a frayed shorty terrycloth bathrobe and a towel over his arm, angrily demanding a bath. Not good.

    Who's in the bathroom?
    That angry bloke from next door. He took a picture of the old queen and a cucumber in with him.
    I've just cried myself silly laughing. My wife and dog thought I was having a breakdown.
    To be fair, even I laughed at that one!

    At least @Dura_Ace would offer me a bath, even if not a cucumber.
    Picture of a cucumber and the Queen wasn't it? :innocent:

    Or was there a missing Oxford comma? :open_mouth:
    Not required.

    I always carry a picture of the Queen with me.
    Paging @Anabobazina - we've got another cash user! :wink:
    Cash only at the Fairlop Waters fun fair!




    My local Thai restaurant (very good, btw) has a sign saying they prefer cash, as the charges on card payments are many hundreds a month.
    That's funny because typical card handling charges dropped to less than cash handling charges about a decade ago.

    If a business is trying to avoid card transactions nowadays its probably because they're seeking to evade (not avoid) HMRC rather than avoid bank charges.
    Let's not associate cash with dodgy practices when most fraud these days is probably electronic.
    Seen at Fairlop Waters fun fair a few days ago:



  • Marsh gone!

    Ali - what a legend! And what a catch from Bairstow that was!
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,392

    rcs1000 said:

    So Donald Trump is NOT pimping for Putin? Just like RFKjr is NOT anti-vax!

    AP (via Seattle Times) - RFK Jr. says he’s not anti-vaccine. His record shows the opposite. It’s one of many inconsistencies

    . . . The contradictions between what Kennedy says and his track record were nowhere more apparent than when he testified before a congressional committee this month at the invitation of Republican members.

    Anti-vaccine activists, some who work for Kennedy’s nonprofit group Children’s Health Defense, sat in the rows behind him, watching as he insisted “I have never been anti-vaxx. I have never told the public to avoid vaccination.” . . .

    Maybe you should worry more about living in a gerontocray

    Mitch Mcconnell should be in a home
    What they are doing to Diane Feinstein borders on cruelty
    Biden should be spending more time with his grandchildren
    Trump should be happily ignored

    About the only positive has been Pelosi put out to grass.



    They (as in the Democrats) are trying to get Dianne Feinstein to step down, as she is unable to perform her duties.

    What would you suggest they do instead?
    Do it faster

    This is hardly a recent event.
    Your original comment was "What they are doing to Diane Feinstein borders on cruelty".

    What RCS was simply pointing out is that she's the one who has decided not to step down, whereas her party wants her to do so.

    I don't understand what you mean by "do it faster". She could resign with immediate effect now (by which I don't mean the Nadine Dorries version of "immediate effect"). Could you explain as your point makes little sense?
    The Dems are screwed on this as there is no way out until 2024 ( when she has reportedly said she will not run ) unless they can agree she is incapable of performing her functions and is removed on a vote.

    It simply highlights the problems of going with a 85 year old candidate, 5 years ago.



  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,546

    Sandpit said:

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    Realpolitik will prevail, as it always does. All that will actually change is the language used.

    Under Trump, there will be announcements of the acceleration of loads of new military systems for the wonderful brave men and women who serve, and creating or protecting tens of thousands of jobs in the MIC who fund the Republican Party. There might be a footnote somewhere about the systems they replace being sold to the UK (or other NATO allies) for $1.

    My criticism of Biden through this conflict, has been his constant championing of large dollar numbers on all the military aid packages to Ukraine. Which allows his political opponents to say that the money is better spent elsewhere, forgetting that the money was actually spent decades ago. No other country does this.
    Realpolitik like those who said when Russia invaded Crimea that there's nothing to be done about it?

    Realpolitik like those who said at the start of last year's new invasion "there's no point sending arms to Ukraine, Kiev will fall within days anyway"?

    Or Realpolitik like those who said "Ukrainian lives will be lost in this war, they should settle with Russia"?

    Or Realpolitik like those who said "its not possible for Ukraine to liberate land like Kharkiv or Kherson from Russia" so don't send arms to Ukraine?

    Or Realpolitik like those who say "Russia has nukes, we should anger them".

    Or Realpolitik like those who still say "its not possible for Ukraine to liberate Crimea or other lands back to its own borders, so settle with Russia in a stalemate"?

    Excuse me, but I have no faith in Realpolitik, I want to see Ukraine supported despite the claims of those engaging in Realpolitik, not because of it. I thought you did too?
    When Biden says that he can't give Ukraine more because it would split the EU and NATO, how do you feel? His policy is to do only as much as it takes to avoid countries like Poland getting directly involved while placating Germany and France.
    I feel he's doing as much as he thinks he can.

    Which I do not feel Trump would do - and Trump has said as much himself and I believe him.
    As much as he thinks he can? I.e. he is governed by Realpolitik.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,562

    Andy_JS said:

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Put simply: I don't trust those who are pushing air-source heat pumps; they all have an agenda.

    I'm not risking the comfort and wellbeing of my family and a warm home until I go round to a trusted friend or neighbours house (on a cold and dark night) and feel it for myself, including having a hot bath.

    I now have an image in my head of a bloke of a certain age turning up on doorsteps in a frayed shorty terrycloth bathrobe and a towel over his arm, angrily demanding a bath. Not good.

    Who's in the bathroom?
    That angry bloke from next door. He took a picture of the old queen and a cucumber in with him.
    I've just cried myself silly laughing. My wife and dog thought I was having a breakdown.
    To be fair, even I laughed at that one!

    At least @Dura_Ace would offer me a bath, even if not a cucumber.
    Picture of a cucumber and the Queen wasn't it? :innocent:

    Or was there a missing Oxford comma? :open_mouth:
    Not required.

    I always carry a picture of the Queen with me.
    Paging @Anabobazina - we've got another cash user! :wink:
    Cash only at the Fairlop Waters fun fair!




    My local Thai restaurant (very good, btw) has a sign saying they prefer cash, as the charges on card payments are many hundreds a month.
    That's funny because typical card handling charges dropped to less than cash handling charges about a decade ago.

    If a business is trying to avoid card transactions nowadays its probably because they're seeking to evade (not avoid) HMRC rather than avoid bank charges.
    Let's not associate cash with dodgy practices when most fraud these days is probably electronic.
    Seen at Fairlop Waters fun fair a few days ago:



    Odd how they manage to keep 100% of cash payments when banks charge to deposit cash in business accounts. Unless of course...
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,968
    edited July 2023

    Andy_JS said:

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Put simply: I don't trust those who are pushing air-source heat pumps; they all have an agenda.

    I'm not risking the comfort and wellbeing of my family and a warm home until I go round to a trusted friend or neighbours house (on a cold and dark night) and feel it for myself, including having a hot bath.

    I now have an image in my head of a bloke of a certain age turning up on doorsteps in a frayed shorty terrycloth bathrobe and a towel over his arm, angrily demanding a bath. Not good.

    Who's in the bathroom?
    That angry bloke from next door. He took a picture of the old queen and a cucumber in with him.
    I've just cried myself silly laughing. My wife and dog thought I was having a breakdown.
    To be fair, even I laughed at that one!

    At least @Dura_Ace would offer me a bath, even if not a cucumber.
    Picture of a cucumber and the Queen wasn't it? :innocent:

    Or was there a missing Oxford comma? :open_mouth:
    Not required.

    I always carry a picture of the Queen with me.
    Paging @Anabobazina - we've got another cash user! :wink:
    Cash only at the Fairlop Waters fun fair!




    My local Thai restaurant (very good, btw) has a sign saying they prefer cash, as the charges on card payments are many hundreds a month.
    That's funny because typical card handling charges dropped to less than cash handling charges about a decade ago.

    If a business is trying to avoid card transactions nowadays its probably because they're seeking to evade (not avoid) HMRC rather than avoid bank charges.
    Let's not associate cash with dodgy practices when most fraud these days is probably electronic.
    Seen at Fairlop Waters fun fair a few days ago:


    "We keep 100% of cash payments".

    Yes, that's what's dodgy. Legitimate businesses pay 20% VAT and bank charges on cash for commercial transactions exceed card transaction charges.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Sandpit said:
    It seems like he got dobbed in by an aggrieved lodger.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,650
    edited July 2023
    If the script writers weren't on strike, we'd get a Broad hat-trick with the new ball to finish this.

    But any old collapse will do...
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 692
    Starc gone.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,788
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12356281/Florence-Pughs-father-blasts-LTN-dictators-forced-close-Spanish-caf-low-traffic-neighbourhood-scheme-despite-Oppenheimer-star-daughter-bailing-out.html

    Remember we were discussing that Mr Pugh of Oxford who doesn't like LTNs despite - apparently - asking for one outside his cafe to increase business? He seems to be complaining that one of his businesses has closed because of LTNs (and covid). Looks like the very same cafe.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7490701,-1.2415262,3a,51.3y,152.56h,92.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skGxcN5l91iLN1UZUmb4w8A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,529
    Looks like the Manchester weather will be to blame after all.
  • Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    Realpolitik will prevail, as it always does. All that will actually change is the language used.

    Under Trump, there will be announcements of the acceleration of loads of new military systems for the wonderful brave men and women who serve, and creating or protecting tens of thousands of jobs in the MIC who fund the Republican Party. There might be a footnote somewhere about the systems they replace being sold to the UK (or other NATO allies) for $1.

    My criticism of Biden through this conflict, has been his constant championing of large dollar numbers on all the military aid packages to Ukraine. Which allows his political opponents to say that the money is better spent elsewhere, forgetting that the money was actually spent decades ago. No other country does this.
    Realpolitik like those who said when Russia invaded Crimea that there's nothing to be done about it?

    Realpolitik like those who said at the start of last year's new invasion "there's no point sending arms to Ukraine, Kiev will fall within days anyway"?

    Or Realpolitik like those who said "Ukrainian lives will be lost in this war, they should settle with Russia"?

    Or Realpolitik like those who said "its not possible for Ukraine to liberate land like Kharkiv or Kherson from Russia" so don't send arms to Ukraine?

    Or Realpolitik like those who say "Russia has nukes, we should anger them".

    Or Realpolitik like those who still say "its not possible for Ukraine to liberate Crimea or other lands back to its own borders, so settle with Russia in a stalemate"?

    Excuse me, but I have no faith in Realpolitik, I want to see Ukraine supported despite the claims of those engaging in Realpolitik, not because of it. I thought you did too?
    I have every confidence in the Military Industrial Complex, and the US Deep State, prevailing, no matter who happens to occupy that big white house in Washington.
    As it did in 2014?

    The Military Industrial Complex can see the US rearming because its a dangerous world with Russia having successfully taken more land off Ukraine and China being dangerous too etc - without the need to actually have to liberate Ukraine's land.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,927
    edited July 2023

    Andy_JS said:

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Put simply: I don't trust those who are pushing air-source heat pumps; they all have an agenda.

    I'm not risking the comfort and wellbeing of my family and a warm home until I go round to a trusted friend or neighbours house (on a cold and dark night) and feel it for myself, including having a hot bath.

    I now have an image in my head of a bloke of a certain age turning up on doorsteps in a frayed shorty terrycloth bathrobe and a towel over his arm, angrily demanding a bath. Not good.

    Who's in the bathroom?
    That angry bloke from next door. He took a picture of the old queen and a cucumber in with him.
    I've just cried myself silly laughing. My wife and dog thought I was having a breakdown.
    To be fair, even I laughed at that one!

    At least @Dura_Ace would offer me a bath, even if not a cucumber.
    Picture of a cucumber and the Queen wasn't it? :innocent:

    Or was there a missing Oxford comma? :open_mouth:
    Not required.

    I always carry a picture of the Queen with me.
    Paging @Anabobazina - we've got another cash user! :wink:
    Cash only at the Fairlop Waters fun fair!




    My local Thai restaurant (very good, btw) has a sign saying they prefer cash, as the charges on card payments are many hundreds a month.
    That's funny because typical card handling charges dropped to less than cash handling charges about a decade ago.

    If a business is trying to avoid card transactions nowadays its probably because they're seeking to evade (not avoid) HMRC rather than avoid bank charges.
    Let's not associate cash with dodgy practices when most fraud these days is probably electronic.
    Seen at Fairlop Waters fun fair a few days ago:



    We keep 100% of cash probably means they don’t give any to HMRC.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,548
    Quack quack!
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,202
    eek said:

    Another week and the Labour lead remains over 20 points.

    What is Sunak's strategy?

    At this point in the GE19 cycle the intelligent people of which I was not one, were calling a landslide for Johnson and there was no way back for Corbyn. Yet these same people seem reluctant to say the same now, why is this? What am I missing.

    As with you in 2019 it's Hope over reality....
    If the Gods really want to mess with Conservative minds, they will keep placing small, misleading grains of hope on the path to the cliff edge.

    Look at the way that Conservative thinkers are over the Uxbridge result like a seagull over a plate of chips. It wasn't that good a result, and any lessons almost certainly aren't for wider export beyond a belt 5 miles inside and outside the M25, but it feels soooo gooooood...

    Meanwhile:

    Three quarters of people in Britain say that it is becoming a worse place to live, a poll revealed on Monday amid long NHS waiting lists, rising taxes, strikes and high inflation deepening the cost-of-living crisis.

    The Ipsos survey for the Standard made grisly reading for the Tories, with Rishi Sunak getting his lowest satisfaction score as Prime Minister.


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/cost-living-gas-electricity-food-prices-inflation-latest-mortgages-poll-ipsos-b1097718.html
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,162
    Jesus Christ I’m trying to follow this from Chernovtsi bus station.

    England!
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,392

    Andy_JS said:

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Put simply: I don't trust those who are pushing air-source heat pumps; they all have an agenda.

    I'm not risking the comfort and wellbeing of my family and a warm home until I go round to a trusted friend or neighbours house (on a cold and dark night) and feel it for myself, including having a hot bath.

    I now have an image in my head of a bloke of a certain age turning up on doorsteps in a frayed shorty terrycloth bathrobe and a towel over his arm, angrily demanding a bath. Not good.

    Who's in the bathroom?
    That angry bloke from next door. He took a picture of the old queen and a cucumber in with him.
    I've just cried myself silly laughing. My wife and dog thought I was having a breakdown.
    To be fair, even I laughed at that one!

    At least @Dura_Ace would offer me a bath, even if not a cucumber.
    Picture of a cucumber and the Queen wasn't it? :innocent:

    Or was there a missing Oxford comma? :open_mouth:
    Not required.

    I always carry a picture of the Queen with me.
    Paging @Anabobazina - we've got another cash user! :wink:
    Cash only at the Fairlop Waters fun fair!




    My local Thai restaurant (very good, btw) has a sign saying they prefer cash, as the charges on card payments are many hundreds a month.
    That's funny because typical card handling charges dropped to less than cash handling charges about a decade ago.

    If a business is trying to avoid card transactions nowadays its probably because they're seeking to evade (not avoid) HMRC rather than avoid bank charges.
    Let's not associate cash with dodgy practices when most fraud these days is probably electronic.
    Seen at Fairlop Waters fun fair a few days ago:



    We keep 100% of cash probably means they don’t give any to HMRC.
    maybe theyre hedge fund managers
  • Sandpit said:

    Given his comments on Ukraine Trump needs to lose every primary and caucus.

    Realpolitik will prevail, as it always does. All that will actually change is the language used.

    Under Trump, there will be announcements of the acceleration of loads of new military systems for the wonderful brave men and women who serve, and creating or protecting tens of thousands of jobs in the MIC who fund the Republican Party. There might be a footnote somewhere about the systems they replace being sold to the UK (or other NATO allies) for $1.

    My criticism of Biden through this conflict, has been his constant championing of large dollar numbers on all the military aid packages to Ukraine. Which allows his political opponents to say that the money is better spent elsewhere, forgetting that the money was actually spent decades ago. No other country does this.
    Realpolitik like those who said when Russia invaded Crimea that there's nothing to be done about it?

    Realpolitik like those who said at the start of last year's new invasion "there's no point sending arms to Ukraine, Kiev will fall within days anyway"?

    Or Realpolitik like those who said "Ukrainian lives will be lost in this war, they should settle with Russia"?

    Or Realpolitik like those who said "its not possible for Ukraine to liberate land like Kharkiv or Kherson from Russia" so don't send arms to Ukraine?

    Or Realpolitik like those who say "Russia has nukes, we should anger them".

    Or Realpolitik like those who still say "its not possible for Ukraine to liberate Crimea or other lands back to its own borders, so settle with Russia in a stalemate"?

    Excuse me, but I have no faith in Realpolitik, I want to see Ukraine supported despite the claims of those engaging in Realpolitik, not because of it. I thought you did too?
    When Biden says that he can't give Ukraine more because it would split the EU and NATO, how do you feel? His policy is to do only as much as it takes to avoid countries like Poland getting directly involved while placating Germany and France.
    I feel he's doing as much as he thinks he can.

    Which I do not feel Trump would do - and Trump has said as much himself and I believe him.
    As much as he thinks he can? I.e. he is governed by Realpolitik.
    No, he's governed by democracy and reality, not Realpolitik.

    Realpolitik means doing as little as you think you can get away with, which is not what Biden is doing.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    eek said:

    Carnyx said:

    It’s just fucking insane, isn’t it?


    That people like you and Scott are still ranting about Brexit? Yes, it absolutely is. Move on already.
    That the Scouts are made de facto to remain in the UK? I suppose it's very much in accord with the Brexit philosophy.
    I'm at a loss as to what the cost is.

    Southampton Scouts have just taken a whole minivan fall of camping stuff to Switzerland without a problem (it's a national event that Southampton were invited to, various others including Twin A tagged along)...
    I guess Southampton scouts were running the risk of having their equipment impounded, or at least having to pay duty on the stuff on the French, Swiss and UK borders.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,569
    If England win this it will all be down to my patriotic lay of England yesterday morning.
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