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  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    "Italian police blame man from England for Colosseum graffiti
    Were he to be convicted in Italy, the man risks a fine of at least 15,000 euros and a jail sentence of up to five years."

    https://news.sky.com/story/italian-police-blame-man-from-england-for-colosseum-graffiti-12911908
  • Farooq said:

    England might be able to more or less level this tomorrow.

    Could end in a draw.

    Not unless the weather intervenes. The game is moving on very quickly.

    Not sure I agree with that. Over 5 days, 40 wickets are needed assuming no declarations (it’s overly simplistic, but you get the point). So each day 8 wickets are ‘expected’. We’ve had 14, so two short.

    What is different to years back is the number of runs. 416 plus 278, so the best part of 700 runs in two days.

    Seeing how England players got out, you could argue all four were self inflicted. The Aussies have a good line up, so I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it’s rather hard to bowl them out again.
    Unless bad weather intervenes I'd suggest 14 is about par, not 2 short.

    Not all wickets are the same, the tail can be lost much quicker. I'd suggest losing 4 wickets is probably a bit over halfway through the second innings, so around par for 16/40.

    Put it this way, Eng are 278/4 and I'd be truly amazed if we make it to 556 all out, let alone 695 to have 60% of our first innings remaining.
    Plus a match obviously doesn't need 40 wickets to fall to reach a result
    Considering who's batting 4th, I truly hope this one does have a result without the 40th wicket falling.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,910

    England might be able to more or less level this tomorrow.

    Could end in a draw.

    Not unless the weather intervenes. The game is moving on very quickly.

    Not sure I agree with that. Over 5 days, 40 wickets are needed assuming no declarations (it’s overly simplistic, but you get the point). So each day 8 wickets are ‘expected’. We’ve had 14, so two short.

    What is different to years back is the number of runs. 416 plus 278, so the best part of 700 runs in two days.

    Seeing how England players got out, you could argue all four were self inflicted. The Aussies have a good line up, so I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it’s rather hard to bowl them out again.
    Unless bad weather intervenes I'd suggest 14 is about par, not 2 short.

    Not all wickets are the same, the tail can be lost much quicker. I'd suggest losing 4 wickets is probably a bit over halfway through the second innings, so around par for 16/40.

    Put it this way, Eng are 278/4 and I'd be truly amazed if we make it to 556 all out, let alone 695 to have 60% of our first innings remaining.
    This reminds me of watching cricket with a German colleague. Chasing something like 300, the batting team were 150 for 5. He assumed that the6bwere likely to make it and on track…
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    'THE eco-yob carried off the Ashes pitch is the son of a millionaire private equity chief with a £6million mansion whose firm invests in climate change "opportunities"...he Sun can today reveal Knorr’s dad Robert, 54, is managing partner of mega private equity company MidEuropa, which has assets worth £4.5bn.

    He and his high-flying NHS doctor wife, who share two other kids, own a £6million gated six-bed mansion in leafy Hampstead, North West London, where celebs like comedian Ricky Gervais live.

    A hybrid 19-plate BMW was parked on the driveway of the swanky Spanish villa-style mansion today...Oxford University student Knorr was detained by police after chucking orange powder on to the Lord’s field.

    He has now been charged with aggravated trespass.'


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22863531/eco-jonny-bairstow-ashes-millionaire-business-mansion/

    Your politics of envy are so unConservative.
    Exactly what was confusing me. HYUFD is normally so in favour of posh universities such as Oxford and Cambridge because we are supposed to grovel to their products, ditto people who will gain massively from recent and future increases to IHT allowances. He ought to be performing proskynesis to this young gentleman.
    If he was a genuine gentleman he would be sitting in the Pavilion Enclosure with MCC tie on followed by lunch in the long room, not throwing paint on the pitch!

    Inherited wealth comes with an expected way to behave
    Absolutely. Odd how this isn't understood by others.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,366
    edited June 2023
    Sandpit said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Miklosvar said:

    HYUFD said:

    'THE eco-yob carried off the Ashes pitch is the son of a millionaire private equity chief with a £6million mansion whose firm invests in climate change "opportunities"...he Sun can today reveal Knorr’s dad Robert, 54, is managing partner of mega private equity company MidEuropa, which has assets worth £4.5bn.

    He and his high-flying NHS doctor wife, who share two other kids, own a £6million gated six-bed mansion in leafy Hampstead, North West London, where celebs like comedian Ricky Gervais live.

    A hybrid 19-plate BMW was parked on the driveway of the swanky Spanish villa-style mansion today...Oxford University student Knorr was detained by police after chucking orange powder on to the Lord’s field.

    He has now been charged with aggravated trespass.'


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22863531/eco-jonny-bairstow-ashes-millionaire-business-mansion/

    Seems to tick all the right boxes, then. Conservatism is a moral crusade to ensure that he inherits, free of tax, the £6million gated six-bed mansion, or it is nothing.
    Fine (or at least up to £1 million IHT free) but he still shouldn't disrupt a cricket match spectators have paid a lot of money for tickets for, most of whom will be less wealthy than his family. If he is so anti fossil fuels he should stand for the Green Party instead
    Doesn't it strike you that one of society's winners is acting in such a way? People with such privilege who nevertheless break the law because they feel that the political situation is so inadequate.

    Whatever your feelings about these people and what they do, the more you point out (selectively, of course, which is a whole other problem) those who are wealthy, the more interesting the whole thing seems to me.

    It's no longer just the economy, stupid.
    Children of very wealthy people can indulge in whatever they like, with little to no consequence.
    And while Daddy might not be too happy at his boy’s behaviour yesterday, he’ll certainly be getting him the best lawyer he can find, to make sure a non-custodial sentence is the result.
    Wouldn't make the assumption mummy and daddy aren't onboard. The individual who glued themselves to the floor of the Oxford Union the other week, mummy and daddy were also very well to do, but Daddy was a part-time eco-fascist and mum was leader of the council that has implemented a 4-day week.

    It seems these days if you are a privileged posho and not getting arrested for idiotic protest stunts you aren't doing it right.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    'THE eco-yob carried off the Ashes pitch is the son of a millionaire private equity chief with a £6million mansion whose firm invests in climate change "opportunities"...he Sun can today reveal Knorr’s dad Robert, 54, is managing partner of mega private equity company MidEuropa, which has assets worth £4.5bn.

    He and his high-flying NHS doctor wife, who share two other kids, own a £6million gated six-bed mansion in leafy Hampstead, North West London, where celebs like comedian Ricky Gervais live.

    A hybrid 19-plate BMW was parked on the driveway of the swanky Spanish villa-style mansion today...Oxford University student Knorr was detained by police after chucking orange powder on to the Lord’s field.

    He has now been charged with aggravated trespass.'


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22863531/eco-jonny-bairstow-ashes-millionaire-business-mansion/

    Your politics of envy are so unConservative.
    Exactly what was confusing me. HYUFD is normally so in favour of posh universities such as Oxford and Cambridge because we are supposed to grovel to their products, ditto people who will gain massively from recent and future increases to IHT allowances. He ought to be performing proskynesis to this young gentleman.
    I've got a measure of HYUFD. It's all about hierarchy. There are signifiers of high social status, and although a degree from a "good" university is one of them, the signifiers themselves exist in a hierarchy. And political purity is one of the highest. So an Oxford graduate who is a conservative is thus above an Oxford graduate who is a liberal, or socialist, or green. And a conservative with no degree is above still above a liberal aristo with a PhD.
    He's not averse to transgressing the hierarchies or even reversing them completely when he wants to prove that a person who is "impure" is indeed impure. So a posh background is a thing to be vaunted in a neutral scenario, but when the person in question is politically suspect, it's a stick to beat them with.

    For all his preaching of ideological purity, his lower-order categories are incredibly fluid in the service of the higher-order ones.
    I may agree with a conservative with no degree more than a liberal aristo with a Phd, however I would never claim the former was posher than the latter. Indeed as I have often said LD voters are now generally posher than most Tory as well as Labour voters
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,139
    stodge said:

    Carnyx said:

    CatMan said:

    Interesting graphic on this article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66051292




    This can’t be right because @Casino_Royale assured us that Sunak was getting a grip on the boat people.
    You must be blind.

    2023 crossings are below 2022.
    8 per cent [edit: reduction] at an eyeball check. Maaahooosive drop, no?

    And we have yet to see what the weather permits over the next three months.
    They've been steadily increasing year on year.

    Sunak's deals have killed the Albanian route and got the French to up their interception rate.

    Still a way to go but I've no doubt 2023 would be running much higher than 2022 already were it not for those.
    Well, that's your assertion based on very little.

    The prevalence of east and north east winds would have reduced crossings in any case as those trying to get to England faced being blown either down the Channel or back to France.

    Statistics now are unhelpful - let's see where we are in August or September. I imagine whatever the case, Sunak will be facing pressure from some desperate activists at the Conservative Conference in September/October to put some severe anti-migrant proposals in the next manifesto.
    It's not at all an assertion based on very little.

    You simply want to dismiss any possible influence by HMG policy and attribute it all to the weather, because to do otherwise wouldn't fit with your pre-existing political beliefs.

    "The numbers are down from around 30 per cent of Channel arrivals last year to 1 or 2 per cent in the first four months of this year."


    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/milestone-reached-in-uk-albania-agreement-on-illegal-migration

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/hundreds-of-albanians-returned-under-landmark-deal-but-many-have-absconded-or-still-in-hostels-says-jenrick-12896083

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/10/uk-fund-immigration-detention-centre-france-rishi-sunak

    Estimates for this crossings this year were previously topping 60k. We now look likely to undershoot 2022's figures, and that is progress and cannot be just attributed to "weather".
  • HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    'THE eco-yob carried off the Ashes pitch is the son of a millionaire private equity chief with a £6million mansion whose firm invests in climate change "opportunities"...he Sun can today reveal Knorr’s dad Robert, 54, is managing partner of mega private equity company MidEuropa, which has assets worth £4.5bn.

    He and his high-flying NHS doctor wife, who share two other kids, own a £6million gated six-bed mansion in leafy Hampstead, North West London, where celebs like comedian Ricky Gervais live.

    A hybrid 19-plate BMW was parked on the driveway of the swanky Spanish villa-style mansion today...Oxford University student Knorr was detained by police after chucking orange powder on to the Lord’s field.

    He has now been charged with aggravated trespass.'


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22863531/eco-jonny-bairstow-ashes-millionaire-business-mansion/

    Your politics of envy are so unConservative.
    Exactly what was confusing me. HYUFD is normally so in favour of posh universities such as Oxford and Cambridge because we are supposed to grovel to their products, ditto people who will gain massively from recent and future increases to IHT allowances. He ought to be performing proskynesis to this young gentleman.
    If he was a genuine gentleman he would be sitting in the Pavilion Enclosure with MCC tie on followed by lunch in the long room, not throwing paint on the pitch!

    Inherited wealth comes with an expected way to behave
    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂


    No, wait, you're actually serious aren't you?





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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,455
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    'THE eco-yob carried off the Ashes pitch is the son of a millionaire private equity chief with a £6million mansion whose firm invests in climate change "opportunities"...he Sun can today reveal Knorr’s dad Robert, 54, is managing partner of mega private equity company MidEuropa, which has assets worth £4.5bn.

    He and his high-flying NHS doctor wife, who share two other kids, own a £6million gated six-bed mansion in leafy Hampstead, North West London, where celebs like comedian Ricky Gervais live.

    A hybrid 19-plate BMW was parked on the driveway of the swanky Spanish villa-style mansion today...Oxford University student Knorr was detained by police after chucking orange powder on to the Lord’s field.

    He has now been charged with aggravated trespass.'


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22863531/eco-jonny-bairstow-ashes-millionaire-business-mansion/

    Your politics of envy are so unConservative.
    Exactly what was confusing me. HYUFD is normally so in favour of posh universities such as Oxford and Cambridge because we are supposed to grovel to their products, ditto people who will gain massively from recent and future increases to IHT allowances. He ought to be performing proskynesis to this young gentleman.
    If he was a genuine gentleman he would be sitting in the Pavilion Enclosure with MCC tie on followed by lunch in the long room, not throwing paint on the pitch!

    Inherited wealth comes with an expected way to behave
    "expected" - by whom?

    The point here is that he's behaving as he sees fit to protect the future. Compare your struggle to make life easier for the future rich with less IHT. Both equally valid ethically. You're both fighting to preserve your visions of the future, both of which are currently illegal (e.g. IHT evasion).
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,139
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    CatMan said:

    Interesting graphic on this article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66051292




    This can’t be right because @Casino_Royale assured us that Sunak was getting a grip on the boat people.
    You must be blind.

    2023 crossings are below 2022.
    8 per cent [edit: reduction] at an eyeball check. Maaahooosive drop, no?

    And we have yet to see what the weather permits over the next three months.
    They've been steadily increasing year on year.

    Sunak's deals have killed the Albanian route and got the French to up their interception rate.

    Still a way to go but I've no doubt 2023 would be running much higher than 2022 already were it not for those.
    But that graph shows that Mr Sunak is barely coping with the trade as it is, even in bad weather.

    That's not what he promised, any more than the current inflation is what he promised when he sasid he'd halve it.

    Edit: that is a cumulative line, so the rate of crossing now is markefly worse than this time last year, partly no doubt to the weather hold up.
    Are 2023 crossings below 2022 crossings so far, yes or no?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,369
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    'THE eco-yob carried off the Ashes pitch is the son of a millionaire private equity chief with a £6million mansion whose firm invests in climate change "opportunities"...he Sun can today reveal Knorr’s dad Robert, 54, is managing partner of mega private equity company MidEuropa, which has assets worth £4.5bn.

    He and his high-flying NHS doctor wife, who share two other kids, own a £6million gated six-bed mansion in leafy Hampstead, North West London, where celebs like comedian Ricky Gervais live.

    A hybrid 19-plate BMW was parked on the driveway of the swanky Spanish villa-style mansion today...Oxford University student Knorr was detained by police after chucking orange powder on to the Lord’s field.

    He has now been charged with aggravated trespass.'


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22863531/eco-jonny-bairstow-ashes-millionaire-business-mansion/

    Your politics of envy are so unConservative.
    Exactly what was confusing me. HYUFD is normally so in favour of posh universities such as Oxford and Cambridge because we are supposed to grovel to their products, ditto people who will gain massively from recent and future increases to IHT allowances. He ought to be performing proskynesis to this young gentleman.
    If he was a genuine gentleman he would be sitting in the Pavilion Enclosure with MCC tie on followed by lunch in the long room, not throwing paint on the pitch!

    Inherited wealth comes with an expected way to behave
    Only to the middle classes. Otherwise the uppers do what they want, it’s like etiquette - middle classes think that they need to follow etiquette to fit in or move up the scale but the uppers throw etiquette to the wind outside of certain formal events.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,139
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    'THE eco-yob carried off the Ashes pitch is the son of a millionaire private equity chief with a £6million mansion whose firm invests in climate change "opportunities"...he Sun can today reveal Knorr’s dad Robert, 54, is managing partner of mega private equity company MidEuropa, which has assets worth £4.5bn.

    He and his high-flying NHS doctor wife, who share two other kids, own a £6million gated six-bed mansion in leafy Hampstead, North West London, where celebs like comedian Ricky Gervais live.

    A hybrid 19-plate BMW was parked on the driveway of the swanky Spanish villa-style mansion today...Oxford University student Knorr was detained by police after chucking orange powder on to the Lord’s field.

    He has now been charged with aggravated trespass.'


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22863531/eco-jonny-bairstow-ashes-millionaire-business-mansion/

    Your politics of envy are so unConservative.
    Exactly what was confusing me. HYUFD is normally so in favour of posh universities such as Oxford and Cambridge because we are supposed to grovel to their products, ditto people who will gain massively from recent and future increases to IHT allowances. He ought to be performing proskynesis to this young gentleman.
    If he was a genuine gentleman he would be sitting in the Pavilion Enclosure with MCC tie on followed by lunch in the long room, not throwing paint on the pitch!

    Inherited wealth comes with an expected way to behave
    Well, that's what I would do. But I can't get membership.
  • HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    'THE eco-yob carried off the Ashes pitch is the son of a millionaire private equity chief with a £6million mansion whose firm invests in climate change "opportunities"...he Sun can today reveal Knorr’s dad Robert, 54, is managing partner of mega private equity company MidEuropa, which has assets worth £4.5bn.

    He and his high-flying NHS doctor wife, who share two other kids, own a £6million gated six-bed mansion in leafy Hampstead, North West London, where celebs like comedian Ricky Gervais live.

    A hybrid 19-plate BMW was parked on the driveway of the swanky Spanish villa-style mansion today...Oxford University student Knorr was detained by police after chucking orange powder on to the Lord’s field.

    He has now been charged with aggravated trespass.'


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22863531/eco-jonny-bairstow-ashes-millionaire-business-mansion/

    Your politics of envy are so unConservative.
    Exactly what was confusing me. HYUFD is normally so in favour of posh universities such as Oxford and Cambridge because we are supposed to grovel to their products, ditto people who will gain massively from recent and future increases to IHT allowances. He ought to be performing proskynesis to this young gentleman.
    If he was a genuine gentleman he would be sitting in the Pavilion Enclosure with MCC tie on followed by lunch in the long room, not throwing paint on the pitch!

    Inherited wealth comes with an expected way to behave
    The last sentence suggests a touching naivety and a breathtaking level of ignorance of British history, past and recent
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,366
    Milkshaking is back....

    Some guy pours milk over @JustStop_Oil protester in Hammersmith

    https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1674442241937424384?s=20
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,455

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    CatMan said:

    Interesting graphic on this article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66051292




    This can’t be right because @Casino_Royale assured us that Sunak was getting a grip on the boat people.
    You must be blind.

    2023 crossings are below 2022.
    8 per cent [edit: reduction] at an eyeball check. Maaahooosive drop, no?

    And we have yet to see what the weather permits over the next three months.
    They've been steadily increasing year on year.

    Sunak's deals have killed the Albanian route and got the French to up their interception rate.

    Still a way to go but I've no doubt 2023 would be running much higher than 2022 already were it not for those.
    But that graph shows that Mr Sunak is barely coping with the trade as it is, even in bad weather.

    That's not what he promised, any more than the current inflation is what he promised when he sasid he'd halve it.

    Edit: that is a cumulative line, so the rate of crossing now is markefly worse than this time last year, partly no doubt to the weather hold up.
    Are 2023 crossings below 2022 crossings so far, yes or no?
    so far, but statistically trivially till we see the rest of the year. But Mr Sunak promised a lot more. Doesn't matter what your criteria are. It's his that count.

  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,451

    England might be able to more or less level this tomorrow.

    Could end in a draw.

    Not unless the weather intervenes. The game is moving on very quickly.

    Not sure I agree with that. Over 5 days, 40 wickets are needed assuming no declarations (it’s overly simplistic, but you get the point). So each day 8 wickets are ‘expected’. We’ve had 14, so two short.

    What is different to years back is the number of runs. 416 plus 278, so the best part of 700 runs in two days.

    Seeing how England players got out, you could argue all four were self inflicted. The Aussies have a good line up, so I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it’s rather hard to bowl them out again.
    Unless bad weather intervenes I'd suggest 14 is about par, not 2 short.

    Not all wickets are the same, the tail can be lost much quicker. I'd suggest losing 4 wickets is probably a bit over halfway through the second innings, so around par for 16/40.

    Put it this way, Eng are 278/4 and I'd be truly amazed if we make it to 556 all out, let alone 695 to have 60% of our first innings remaining.
    That’s fair enough, and I did say it was overly simplistic. I was more countering the idea that the match is moving particularly quickly. We’ve had many, many three and four day tests in recent years. This may end up as another, but some play on the fifth seems likely.

    It's moving too quickly for there to be a draw, IMO. Only a collapse from either side in their second innings, or rain, prevents us getting to Day Five from here.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,517
    edited June 2023

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    'THE eco-yob carried off the Ashes pitch is the son of a millionaire private equity chief with a £6million mansion whose firm invests in climate change "opportunities"...he Sun can today reveal Knorr’s dad Robert, 54, is managing partner of mega private equity company MidEuropa, which has assets worth £4.5bn.

    He and his high-flying NHS doctor wife, who share two other kids, own a £6million gated six-bed mansion in leafy Hampstead, North West London, where celebs like comedian Ricky Gervais live.

    A hybrid 19-plate BMW was parked on the driveway of the swanky Spanish villa-style mansion today...Oxford University student Knorr was detained by police after chucking orange powder on to the Lord’s field.

    He has now been charged with aggravated trespass.'


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22863531/eco-jonny-bairstow-ashes-millionaire-business-mansion/

    Your politics of envy are so unConservative.
    Exactly what was confusing me. HYUFD is normally so in favour of posh universities such as Oxford and Cambridge because we are supposed to grovel to their products, ditto people who will gain massively from recent and future increases to IHT allowances. He ought to be performing proskynesis to this young gentleman.
    If he was a genuine gentleman he would be sitting in the Pavilion Enclosure with MCC tie on followed by lunch in the long room, not throwing paint on the pitch!

    Inherited wealth comes with an expected way to behave
    Well, that's what I would do. But I can't get membership.
    I turned down membership of the MCC.

    I find their outfits too bloody bland.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,314
    viewcode said:
    Yes, we all missed that one as we were watching the cricket. Very cool, and hopefully the price drops a zero or two by the time I retire.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,366
    Surprised there was any helicopters free....as most booked up to ferry people back from Glastonbury.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,910
    Great cricketer though he is, he’ll always be a cheat.

    He probably wouldn’t have known if he caught that or not, but I thought it a distinctly ordinary decision by the umpires.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    CatMan said:

    Interesting graphic on this article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66051292




    This can’t be right because @Casino_Royale assured us that Sunak was getting a grip on the boat people.
    You must be blind.

    2023 crossings are below 2022.
    8 per cent [edit: reduction] at an eyeball check. Maaahooosive drop, no?

    And we have yet to see what the weather permits over the next three months.
    They've been steadily increasing year on year.

    Sunak's deals have killed the Albanian route and got the French to up their interception rate.

    Still a way to go but I've no doubt 2023 would be running much higher than 2022 already were it not for those.
    But that graph shows that Mr Sunak is barely coping with the trade as it is, even in bad weather.

    That's not what he promised, any more than the current inflation is what he promised when he sasid he'd halve it.

    Edit: that is a cumulative line, so the rate of crossing now is markefly worse than this time last year, partly no doubt to the weather hold up.
    Are 2023 crossings below 2022 crossings so far, yes or no?
    so far, but statistically trivially till we see the rest of the year. But Mr Sunak promised a lot more. Doesn't matter what your criteria are. It's his that count.

    Nobody is going to really stop the boats until the default result of making it to the UK is getting shipped somewhere else.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,517
    Steve Smith cheating?

    Well I never.

    When I go to the third and fourth tests, I'm going to ask him to sign some sandpaper;
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,196
    edited June 2023

    Milkshaking is back....

    Some guy pours milk over @JustStop_Oil protester in Hammersmith

    https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1674442241937424384?s=20

    That brings back memories! Remember the moral panic there was around milkshaking? Some how society pulled through that terrible threat to freedom…
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,910

    England might be able to more or less level this tomorrow.

    Could end in a draw.

    Not unless the weather intervenes. The game is moving on very quickly.

    Not sure I agree with that. Over 5 days, 40 wickets are needed assuming no declarations (it’s overly simplistic, but you get the point). So each day 8 wickets are ‘expected’. We’ve had 14, so two short.

    What is different to years back is the number of runs. 416 plus 278, so the best part of 700 runs in two days.

    Seeing how England players got out, you could argue all four were self inflicted. The Aussies have a good line up, so I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it’s rather hard to bowl them out again.
    Unless bad weather intervenes I'd suggest 14 is about par, not 2 short.

    Not all wickets are the same, the tail can be lost much quicker. I'd suggest losing 4 wickets is probably a bit over halfway through the second innings, so around par for 16/40.

    Put it this way, Eng are 278/4 and I'd be truly amazed if we make it to 556 all out, let alone 695 to have 60% of our first innings remaining.
    That’s fair enough, and I did say it was overly simplistic. I was more countering the idea that the match is moving particularly quickly. We’ve had many, many three and four day tests in recent years. This may end up as another, but some play on the fifth seems likely.

    It's moving too quickly for there to be a draw, IMO. Only a collapse from either side in their second innings, or rain, prevents us getting to Day Five from here.

    I don’t get that. Going into day three and we are still in the second innings. I agree it could go quickly from here, but since lunch all the wickets were self inflicted.

    Time will tell!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,462

    Surprised there was any helicopters free....as most booked up to ferry people back from Glastonbury.

    I heard people were tunnelling to get into Glastonbury last weekend. If I'd been there, I'd have been tunnelling out!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,910

    Milkshaking is back....

    Some guy pours milk over @JustStop_Oil protester in Hammersmith

    https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1674442241937424384?s=20

    That brings back memories! Remember the moral panic there was around milkshaking? Some how society pulled through that terrible threat to freedom…
    Didn’t Jo Brand want to change it to battery acid for people she didn’t like?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,977
    edited June 2023

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    'THE eco-yob carried off the Ashes pitch is the son of a millionaire private equity chief with a £6million mansion whose firm invests in climate change "opportunities"...he Sun can today reveal Knorr’s dad Robert, 54, is managing partner of mega private equity company MidEuropa, which has assets worth £4.5bn.

    He and his high-flying NHS doctor wife, who share two other kids, own a £6million gated six-bed mansion in leafy Hampstead, North West London, where celebs like comedian Ricky Gervais live.

    A hybrid 19-plate BMW was parked on the driveway of the swanky Spanish villa-style mansion today...Oxford University student Knorr was detained by police after chucking orange powder on to the Lord’s field.

    He has now been charged with aggravated trespass.'


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22863531/eco-jonny-bairstow-ashes-millionaire-business-mansion/

    Your politics of envy are so unConservative.
    Exactly what was confusing me. HYUFD is normally so in favour of posh universities such as Oxford and Cambridge because we are supposed to grovel to their products, ditto people who will gain massively from recent and future increases to IHT allowances. He ought to be performing proskynesis to this young gentleman.
    If he was a genuine gentleman he would be sitting in the Pavilion Enclosure with MCC tie on followed by lunch in the long room, not throwing paint on the pitch!

    Inherited wealth comes with an expected way to behave
    The last sentence suggests a touching naivety and a breathtaking level of ignorance of British history, past and recent
    Inherited wealth comes with a pretence that there is an expected way to behave.

    It makes them feel superior in more than just wealth.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,517
    You cannot trust Brexiteers like Sunak with defence.

    The head of the British army could resign, allies say, amid a fierce row over further proposed cuts to land forces in the run-up to a special defence review responding to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

    Interviews have already begun to replace Gen Sir Patrick Sanders, who has served only a year as chief of the general staff, and friends of the military leader say he may quit even sooner if the defence secretary, Ben Wallace, imposes further cuts.

    “He told Wallace that he could not deliver without more headcount and budget, and Wallace didn’t like that all,” an ally of Sanders, speaking on condition of anonymity, said. “It looks like cuts are coming and [Sanders] may use this as an opportunity to resign.”


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/29/head-of-british-army-could-quit-in-row-over-further-cuts
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    Looked out to me when I just saw it on the highlights.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,517
    Andy_JS said:

    Looked out to me when I just saw it on the highlights.
    https://www.specsavers.co.uk/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,366
    edited June 2023

    Surprised there was any helicopters free....as most booked up to ferry people back from Glastonbury.

    I heard people were tunnelling to get into Glastonbury last weekend. If I'd been there, I'd have been tunnelling out!
    The irony of having the sort of walls Trump would have been proud of, watch towers, guard dogs and 1000s upon 1000s of security to keep undesirables out seem to be lost of many attendees who advocated things like open borders.....
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,369

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    'THE eco-yob carried off the Ashes pitch is the son of a millionaire private equity chief with a £6million mansion whose firm invests in climate change "opportunities"...he Sun can today reveal Knorr’s dad Robert, 54, is managing partner of mega private equity company MidEuropa, which has assets worth £4.5bn.

    He and his high-flying NHS doctor wife, who share two other kids, own a £6million gated six-bed mansion in leafy Hampstead, North West London, where celebs like comedian Ricky Gervais live.

    A hybrid 19-plate BMW was parked on the driveway of the swanky Spanish villa-style mansion today...Oxford University student Knorr was detained by police after chucking orange powder on to the Lord’s field.

    He has now been charged with aggravated trespass.'


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22863531/eco-jonny-bairstow-ashes-millionaire-business-mansion/

    Your politics of envy are so unConservative.
    Exactly what was confusing me. HYUFD is normally so in favour of posh universities such as Oxford and Cambridge because we are supposed to grovel to their products, ditto people who will gain massively from recent and future increases to IHT allowances. He ought to be performing proskynesis to this young gentleman.
    If he was a genuine gentleman he would be sitting in the Pavilion Enclosure with MCC tie on followed by lunch in the long room, not throwing paint on the pitch!

    Inherited wealth comes with an expected way to behave
    The last sentence suggests a touching naivety and a breathtaking level of ignorance of British history, past and recent
    Your honour, I would like to submit into evidence the Bullingdon Club and all other public school dining and drinking socs.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    CatMan said:

    Interesting graphic on this article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66051292




    This can’t be right because @Casino_Royale assured us that Sunak was getting a grip on the boat people.
    You must be blind.

    2023 crossings are below 2022.
    8 per cent [edit: reduction] at an eyeball check. Maaahooosive drop, no?

    And we have yet to see what the weather permits over the next three months.
    They've been steadily increasing year on year.

    Sunak's deals have killed the Albanian route and got the French to up their interception rate.

    Still a way to go but I've no doubt 2023 would be running much higher than 2022 already were it not for those.
    But that graph shows that Mr Sunak is barely coping with the trade as it is, even in bad weather.

    That's not what he promised, any more than the current inflation is what he promised when he sasid he'd halve it.

    Edit: that is a cumulative line, so the rate of crossing now is markefly worse than this time last year, partly no doubt to the weather hold up.
    Are 2023 crossings below 2022 crossings so far, yes or no?
    so far, but statistically trivially till we see the rest of the year. But Mr Sunak promised a lot more. Doesn't matter what your criteria are. It's his that count.

    My money is a whitewash 0/5 for wishy Rishi
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    edited June 2023
    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    'THE eco-yob carried off the Ashes pitch is the son of a millionaire private equity chief with a £6million mansion whose firm invests in climate change "opportunities"...he Sun can today reveal Knorr’s dad Robert, 54, is managing partner of mega private equity company MidEuropa, which has assets worth £4.5bn.

    He and his high-flying NHS doctor wife, who share two other kids, own a £6million gated six-bed mansion in leafy Hampstead, North West London, where celebs like comedian Ricky Gervais live.

    A hybrid 19-plate BMW was parked on the driveway of the swanky Spanish villa-style mansion today...Oxford University student Knorr was detained by police after chucking orange powder on to the Lord’s field.

    He has now been charged with aggravated trespass.'


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22863531/eco-jonny-bairstow-ashes-millionaire-business-mansion/

    Your politics of envy are so unConservative.
    Exactly what was confusing me. HYUFD is normally so in favour of posh universities such as Oxford and Cambridge because we are supposed to grovel to their products, ditto people who will gain massively from recent and future increases to IHT allowances. He ought to be performing proskynesis to this young gentleman.
    I've got a measure of HYUFD. It's all about hierarchy. There are signifiers of high social status, and although a degree from a "good" university is one of them, the signifiers themselves exist in a hierarchy. And political purity is one of the highest. So an Oxford graduate who is a conservative is thus above an Oxford graduate who is a liberal, or socialist, or green. And a conservative with no degree is above still above a liberal aristo with a PhD.
    He's not averse to transgressing the hierarchies or even reversing them completely when he wants to prove that a person who is "impure" is indeed impure. So a posh background is a thing to be vaunted in a neutral scenario, but when the person in question is politically suspect, it's a stick to beat them with.

    For all his preaching of ideological purity, his lower-order categories are incredibly fluid in the service of the higher-order ones.
    I may agree with a conservative with no degree more than a liberal aristo with a Phd, however I would never claim the former was posher than the latter. Indeed as I have often said LD voters are now generally posher than most Tory as well as Labour voters
    In many parts of London Tory supporters are probably often the 4th most posh, after LD, Green and Lab.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,977

    You cannot trust Brexiteers like Sunak with defence.

    The head of the British army could resign, allies say, amid a fierce row over further proposed cuts to land forces in the run-up to a special defence review responding to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

    Interviews have already begun to replace Gen Sir Patrick Sanders, who has served only a year as chief of the general staff, and friends of the military leader say he may quit even sooner if the defence secretary, Ben Wallace, imposes further cuts.

    “He told Wallace that he could not deliver without more headcount and budget, and Wallace didn’t like that all,” an ally of Sanders, speaking on condition of anonymity, said. “It looks like cuts are coming and [Sanders] may use this as an opportunity to resign.”


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/29/head-of-british-army-could-quit-in-row-over-further-cuts

    I know there are some that like to claim that since Russia has struggled in Ukraine that means we clearly don't need as much defence spending as we do, but quite frankly our forces seem unable to do pretty much anything - I'm sure a lot has been wasted on carriers that don't work and vehicles costing 10x what they should or whatever, but it seems to me we need a larger force if we are to have the flexibility and potentiality which is beneficial.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,813
    Billpayers dipped into bank and savings accounts at a record level in May, prompting warnings from charities about the ongoing high cost of living.

    There was £4.6bn more withdrawn than paid into bank and building society accounts, the Bank of England said.

    That was the highest level seen since comparable records began 26 years ago.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66051711

    I draw attention to this in the context of the BoE's attempts to tame inflation. Not only are the effects of interest rate hikes liable only to hit about a third of consumers, i.e. those with mortgages, particularly hard (and in fact they'll make those with a large sum in savings, including many pensioners, better off,) but also a lot of mortgagees are going to be able to splash the cash salted away during the pandemic to prop up their lifestyles and thus keep on shelling out the inflated sums that businesses are demanding for goods and services. Moreover, although £4.6bn is clearly a considerable sum, it's only a small fraction of the total of the huge spike in net savings recorded in 2020 and 2021.

    If mortgage payers are only a minority of consumers, and the majority of mortgage payers still have several years to run on five-year fixes, and people in more straitened circumstances are willing to splash their savings rather than tighten their belts, then it does rather make one wonder how high the bank rate is going to end up being hiked, and how long it's going to be left at those levels, for interest rates to have any meaningful effect upon demand?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,451

    England might be able to more or less level this tomorrow.

    Could end in a draw.

    Not unless the weather intervenes. The game is moving on very quickly.

    Not sure I agree with that. Over 5 days, 40 wickets are needed assuming no declarations (it’s overly simplistic, but you get the point). So each day 8 wickets are ‘expected’. We’ve had 14, so two short.

    What is different to years back is the number of runs. 416 plus 278, so the best part of 700 runs in two days.

    Seeing how England players got out, you could argue all four were self inflicted. The Aussies have a good line up, so I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it’s rather hard to bowl them out again.
    Unless bad weather intervenes I'd suggest 14 is about par, not 2 short.

    Not all wickets are the same, the tail can be lost much quicker. I'd suggest losing 4 wickets is probably a bit over halfway through the second innings, so around par for 16/40.

    Put it this way, Eng are 278/4 and I'd be truly amazed if we make it to 556 all out, let alone 695 to have 60% of our first innings remaining.
    That’s fair enough, and I did say it was overly simplistic. I was more countering the idea that the match is moving particularly quickly. We’ve had many, many three and four day tests in recent years. This may end up as another, but some play on the fifth seems likely.

    It's moving too quickly for there to be a draw, IMO. Only a collapse from either side in their second innings, or rain, prevents us getting to Day Five from here.

    I don’t get that. Going into day three and we are still in the second innings. I agree it could go quickly from here, but since lunch all the wickets were self inflicted.

    Time will tell!

    By the end of tomorrow Australia will be well into their second innings. If they are, they will have a decent lead. If they're not, England will have a very big lead. Either way, there will still be two full days left. It'll probably piss down :wink:


  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,314

    Milkshaking is back....

    Some guy pours milk over @JustStop_Oil protester in Hammersmith

    https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1674442241937424384?s=20

    That brings back memories! Remember the moral panic there was around milkshaking? Some how society pulled through that terrible threat to freedom…
    Didn’t Jo Brand want to change it to battery acid for people she didn’t like?
    She said that about Farage.

    BBC eventually upheld Farage’s complaint, although disagreed that it was inciting violence against the politician. It was a pre-recorded show, they could have used the edit button - which says something much worse about the BBC than the comedian.

    Comedians are always going to push the boundaries of speech, that’s why we like them. It’s the job of producers and editors to understand when the line has been crossed, and in this case they thought that a joke about throwing acid at a named politician was just fine.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49508231
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    Sandpit said:

    Milkshaking is back....

    Some guy pours milk over @JustStop_Oil protester in Hammersmith

    https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1674442241937424384?s=20

    That brings back memories! Remember the moral panic there was around milkshaking? Some how society pulled through that terrible threat to freedom…
    Didn’t Jo Brand want to change it to battery acid for people she didn’t like?
    She said that about Farage.

    BBC eventually upheld Farage’s complaint, although disagreed that it was inciting violence against the politician. It was a pre-recorded show, they could have used the edit button - which says something much worse about the BBC than the comedian.

    Comedians are always going to push the boundaries of speech, that’s why we like them. It’s the job of producers and editors to understand when the line has been crossed, and in this case they thought that a joke about throwing acid at a named politician was just fine.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49508231
    Silly comment anyway.

    It's crossed silver you need for Farage.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,314

    Surprised there was any helicopters free....as most booked up to ferry people back from Glastonbury.

    I heard people were tunnelling to get into Glastonbury last weekend. If I'd been there, I'd have been tunnelling out!
    The irony of having the sort of walls Trump would have been proud of, watch towers, guard dogs and 1000s upon 1000s of security to keep undesirables out seem to be lost of many attendees who advocated things like open borders.....
    In the ‘90s, jumping the Glastonbury fence was sport for students, and hippy Michael Eavis didn’t seem awfully bothered by it.

    The big fence went up after the police estimated they were at double the official attendance one year, there was a serious chance of a fatal crush - and they were going to object to the licence being granted in future.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    'THE eco-yob carried off the Ashes pitch is the son of a millionaire private equity chief with a £6million mansion whose firm invests in climate change "opportunities"...he Sun can today reveal Knorr’s dad Robert, 54, is managing partner of mega private equity company MidEuropa, which has assets worth £4.5bn.

    He and his high-flying NHS doctor wife, who share two other kids, own a £6million gated six-bed mansion in leafy Hampstead, North West London, where celebs like comedian Ricky Gervais live.

    A hybrid 19-plate BMW was parked on the driveway of the swanky Spanish villa-style mansion today...Oxford University student Knorr was detained by police after chucking orange powder on to the Lord’s field.

    He has now been charged with aggravated trespass.'


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22863531/eco-jonny-bairstow-ashes-millionaire-business-mansion/

    Your politics of envy are so unConservative.
    Exactly what was confusing me. HYUFD is normally so in favour of posh universities such as Oxford and Cambridge because we are supposed to grovel to their products, ditto people who will gain massively from recent and future increases to IHT allowances. He ought to be performing proskynesis to this young gentleman.
    If he was a genuine gentleman he would be sitting in the Pavilion Enclosure with MCC tie on followed by lunch in the long room, not throwing paint on the pitch!

    Inherited wealth comes with an expected way to behave
    The last sentence suggests a touching naivety and a breathtaking level of ignorance of British history, past and recent
    Inherited wealth comes with a pretence that there is an expected way to behave.

    It makes them feel superior in more than just wealth.
    "It may be a small crowd but the fixture is loathed by the stewards. Last year one of the boys even started letting off flares. The two schools had taken measures to prevent similar behaviour this time. The kids were all kept in separate tiers of separate stands, while the only nearby toilets were closed off, and each lot directed to their own block to prevent them from mingling. The rumour was that the schools had even set up a detention room elsewhere on the site"

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/may/12/eton-v-harrow-father-time-draws-near-for-annual-schoolboy-lords-jolly
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,977
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    'THE eco-yob carried off the Ashes pitch is the son of a millionaire private equity chief with a £6million mansion whose firm invests in climate change "opportunities"...he Sun can today reveal Knorr’s dad Robert, 54, is managing partner of mega private equity company MidEuropa, which has assets worth £4.5bn.

    He and his high-flying NHS doctor wife, who share two other kids, own a £6million gated six-bed mansion in leafy Hampstead, North West London, where celebs like comedian Ricky Gervais live.

    A hybrid 19-plate BMW was parked on the driveway of the swanky Spanish villa-style mansion today...Oxford University student Knorr was detained by police after chucking orange powder on to the Lord’s field.

    He has now been charged with aggravated trespass.'


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22863531/eco-jonny-bairstow-ashes-millionaire-business-mansion/

    Your politics of envy are so unConservative.
    Exactly what was confusing me. HYUFD is normally so in favour of posh universities such as Oxford and Cambridge because we are supposed to grovel to their products, ditto people who will gain massively from recent and future increases to IHT allowances. He ought to be performing proskynesis to this young gentleman.
    If he was a genuine gentleman he would be sitting in the Pavilion Enclosure with MCC tie on followed by lunch in the long room, not throwing paint on the pitch!

    Inherited wealth comes with an expected way to behave
    The last sentence suggests a touching naivety and a breathtaking level of ignorance of British history, past and recent
    Inherited wealth comes with a pretence that there is an expected way to behave.

    It makes them feel superior in more than just wealth.
    "It may be a small crowd but the fixture is loathed by the stewards. Last year one of the boys even started letting off flares. The two schools had taken measures to prevent similar behaviour this time. The kids were all kept in separate tiers of separate stands, while the only nearby toilets were closed off, and each lot directed to their own block to prevent them from mingling. The rumour was that the schools had even set up a detention room elsewhere on the site"

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/may/12/eton-v-harrow-father-time-draws-near-for-annual-schoolboy-lords-jolly
    Well, that's amongst themselves, not vs the plebs.

    But hence the word pretence.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240
    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Camden absolutely rammed on a sunny Thursday evening. Every restaurant full

    Was the same in King’s Cross on Tuesday. Jammers (where Coal Drops Yard has exploded into life: finally and deservedly)

    If we are teetering on the edge of recession it’s quite a soft edge

    No one is suggesting that of course.

    What we are seeing is a sharp rise in personal debt as people empty out their Covid cash stocks and have to go back to borrowing on the plastic to keep the good times rolling.

    As for deriving the state of the overall economy from a summer Thursday evening in Camden - fine. If it were that easy, we could sack all the forecasters and economists.

    It's also perhaps indicative of a change of habits as a result of the pandemic - some parts of London now flourish on a Thursday which is the new Friday since everyone works at home on a Friday (apparently).
    Bustling and spendy London is certainly a stark contrast to some of the cities I recently visited in the USA - including DC

    Yet the data says it is Britain that is fucked while the American economy soars

    It simply doesn’t feel like that on the ground
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    "Konstantin Kisin
    @KonstantinKisin

    Using bank account cancellations as a political weapon is insane. Short sighted people will celebrate it when it happens to their political opponents but it is a can of worms no side should ever open."

    https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1674466220937031691
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731
    Andy_JS said:

    "Konstantin Kisin
    @KonstantinKisin

    Using bank account cancellations as a political weapon is insane. Short sighted people will celebrate it when it happens to their political opponents but it is a can of worms no side should ever open."

    https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1674466220937031691

    What makes you so convinced that it was for political reasons, when even Farage says he hasn't been told why?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757
    Question: Are you in favor of eliminating any agencies?

    DeSantis: We would do education, commerce, energy, and the IRS. If Congress won’t go that far, I’m going to use those agencies to push back against woke ideology…

    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1674143045661360130

    Wut ?
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,813
    kle4 said:

    You cannot trust Brexiteers like Sunak with defence.

    The head of the British army could resign, allies say, amid a fierce row over further proposed cuts to land forces in the run-up to a special defence review responding to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

    Interviews have already begun to replace Gen Sir Patrick Sanders, who has served only a year as chief of the general staff, and friends of the military leader say he may quit even sooner if the defence secretary, Ben Wallace, imposes further cuts.

    “He told Wallace that he could not deliver without more headcount and budget, and Wallace didn’t like that all,” an ally of Sanders, speaking on condition of anonymity, said. “It looks like cuts are coming and [Sanders] may use this as an opportunity to resign.”


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/29/head-of-british-army-could-quit-in-row-over-further-cuts

    I know there are some that like to claim that since Russia has struggled in Ukraine that means we clearly don't need as much defence spending as we do, but quite frankly our forces seem unable to do pretty much anything - I'm sure a lot has been wasted on carriers that don't work and vehicles costing 10x what they should or whatever, but it seems to me we need a larger force if we are to have the flexibility and potentiality which is beneficial.
    Functional armed forces are like functional anything else - they cost money. The state spends most of its money on healthcare, education and benefits (and can't get any of those right, either); the NHS and social security at least are going to keep hoovering up more and more cash; and Government seems unwilling or unable to raise even more to compensate. Under those circumstances, the defence budget isn't going to get a look in.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,605
    Andy_JS said:

    "Konstantin Kisin
    @KonstantinKisin

    Using bank account cancellations as a political weapon is insane. Short sighted people will celebrate it when it happens to their political opponents but it is a can of worms no side should ever open."

    https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1674466220937031691

    It also shows the dangers of the moral panic about foreign influence.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    edited June 2023
    Jake Berry MP, who until recently was chairman of the Conservative Party, reacts to today's Rwanda judgement.

    "@JakeBerry

    Your elected parliament voted for the Rwanda Policy - the establishment blocked it.
    Who’s in charge - the voters or the blob?

    #blobonomics #Rwanda"
    https://twitter.com/JakeBerry/status/1674420018766049280
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240
    Andy_JS said:

    Looked out to me when I just saw it on the highlights.
    Likewise. A really strange decision. The ball was obviously in contact with the turf
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,369
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Steve Smith cheating?

    Well I never.

    When I go to the third and fourth tests, I'm going to ask him to sign some sandpaper;
    There's a "kangaroo court/caught" joke here but it's just out of my reach.
    UPDATE: The umpires have said that I managed the joke anyway
    So you think you’re a comedian then? You’ve got nothing on Jimmy Cricket.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,516
    Farooq said:

    Milkshaking is back....

    Some guy pours milk over @JustStop_Oil protester in Hammersmith

    https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1674442241937424384?s=20

    That brings back memories! Remember the moral panic there was around milkshaking? Some how society pulled through that terrible threat to freedom…
    Didn’t Jo Brand want to change it to battery acid for people she didn’t like?
    I hope the police charged her
    That made me giggle. I assume the charge would be assault and battery.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,366
    Andy_JS said:

    "Konstantin Kisin
    @KonstantinKisin

    Using bank account cancellations as a political weapon is insane. Short sighted people will celebrate it when it happens to their political opponents but it is a can of worms no side should ever open."

    https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1674466220937031691

    Did they get to the bottom of why his podcast companies bank account got closed down?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    Nigelb said:

    Question: Are you in favor of eliminating any agencies?

    DeSantis: We would do education, commerce, energy, and the IRS. If Congress won’t go that far, I’m going to use those agencies to push back against woke ideology…

    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1674143045661360130

    Wut ?

    He'd get rid of the IRS?

    Is he ma...yes, he is, of course, silly question.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    kjh said:

    Farooq said:

    Milkshaking is back....

    Some guy pours milk over @JustStop_Oil protester in Hammersmith

    https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1674442241937424384?s=20

    That brings back memories! Remember the moral panic there was around milkshaking? Some how society pulled through that terrible threat to freedom…
    Didn’t Jo Brand want to change it to battery acid for people she didn’t like?
    I hope the police charged her
    That made me giggle. I assume the charge would be assault and battery.
    Assume? You don't seem positive.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,314
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Konstantin Kisin
    @KonstantinKisin

    Using bank account cancellations as a political weapon is insane. Short sighted people will celebrate it when it happens to their political opponents but it is a can of worms no side should ever open."

    https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1674466220937031691

    What makes you so convinced that it was for political reasons, when even Farage says he hasn't been told why?
    Kisin had his own work bank account shut down a couple of months ago too.

    https://twitter.com/triggerpod/status/1659563447305089024

    It took a lot of publicity and a lot of lawyers for it to be reinstated. No reasons given.
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,605
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Konstantin Kisin
    @KonstantinKisin

    Using bank account cancellations as a political weapon is insane. Short sighted people will celebrate it when it happens to their political opponents but it is a can of worms no side should ever open."

    https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1674466220937031691

    What makes you so convinced that it was for political reasons, when even Farage says he hasn't been told why?
    Kisin believes it has happened to him too.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 27,676
    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    'THE eco-yob carried off the Ashes pitch is the son of a millionaire private equity chief with a £6million mansion whose firm invests in climate change "opportunities"...he Sun can today reveal Knorr’s dad Robert, 54, is managing partner of mega private equity company MidEuropa, which has assets worth £4.5bn.

    He and his high-flying NHS doctor wife, who share two other kids, own a £6million gated six-bed mansion in leafy Hampstead, North West London, where celebs like comedian Ricky Gervais live.

    A hybrid 19-plate BMW was parked on the driveway of the swanky Spanish villa-style mansion today...Oxford University student Knorr was detained by police after chucking orange powder on to the Lord’s field.

    He has now been charged with aggravated trespass.'


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22863531/eco-jonny-bairstow-ashes-millionaire-business-mansion/

    Your politics of envy are so unConservative.
    Exactly what was confusing me. HYUFD is normally so in favour of posh universities such as Oxford and Cambridge because we are supposed to grovel to their products, ditto people who will gain massively from recent and future increases to IHT allowances. He ought to be performing proskynesis to this young gentleman.
    I've got a measure of HYUFD. It's all about hierarchy. There are signifiers of high social status, and although a degree from a "good" university is one of them, the signifiers themselves exist in a hierarchy. And political purity is one of the highest. So an Oxford graduate who is a conservative is thus above an Oxford graduate who is a liberal, or socialist, or green. And a conservative with no degree is above still above a liberal aristo with a PhD.
    He's not averse to transgressing the hierarchies or even reversing them completely when he wants to prove that a person who is "impure" is indeed impure. So a posh background is a thing to be vaunted in a neutral scenario, but when the person in question is politically suspect, it's a stick to beat them with.

    For all his preaching of ideological purity, his lower-order categories are incredibly fluid in the service of the higher-order ones.
    Alternative theory - the Just Stop Oil protestor was just a worthless little scrote, who clearly didn't want to 'stop oil' enough to prevent him wearing an ensemble of oil derived synthetic fibres.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    Andy_JS said:

    Jake Berry MP, who until recently was chairman of the Conservative Party, reacts to today's Rwanda judgement.

    "@JakeBerry

    Your elected parliament voted for the Rwanda Policy - the establishment blocked it.
    Who’s in charge - the voters or the blob?

    #blobonomics #Rwanda"
    https://twitter.com/JakeBerry/status/1674420018766049280

    The voters, the Commons can overrule the Lords after a year and amend the law to make it clearer its Rwanda policy stands which the judiciary would have to uphold
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    boulay said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    'THE eco-yob carried off the Ashes pitch is the son of a millionaire private equity chief with a £6million mansion whose firm invests in climate change "opportunities"...he Sun can today reveal Knorr’s dad Robert, 54, is managing partner of mega private equity company MidEuropa, which has assets worth £4.5bn.

    He and his high-flying NHS doctor wife, who share two other kids, own a £6million gated six-bed mansion in leafy Hampstead, North West London, where celebs like comedian Ricky Gervais live.

    A hybrid 19-plate BMW was parked on the driveway of the swanky Spanish villa-style mansion today...Oxford University student Knorr was detained by police after chucking orange powder on to the Lord’s field.

    He has now been charged with aggravated trespass.'


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22863531/eco-jonny-bairstow-ashes-millionaire-business-mansion/

    Your politics of envy are so unConservative.
    Exactly what was confusing me. HYUFD is normally so in favour of posh universities such as Oxford and Cambridge because we are supposed to grovel to their products, ditto people who will gain massively from recent and future increases to IHT allowances. He ought to be performing proskynesis to this young gentleman.
    If he was a genuine gentleman he would be sitting in the Pavilion Enclosure with MCC tie on followed by lunch in the long room, not throwing paint on the pitch!

    Inherited wealth comes with an expected way to behave
    Only to the middle classes. Otherwise the uppers do what they want, it’s like etiquette - middle classes think that they need to follow etiquette to fit in or move up the scale but the uppers throw etiquette to the wind outside of certain formal events.
    I don't think that is really true anymore, even the Bullingdon Club is pretty much extinct
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,084

    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    'THE eco-yob carried off the Ashes pitch is the son of a millionaire private equity chief with a £6million mansion whose firm invests in climate change "opportunities"...he Sun can today reveal Knorr’s dad Robert, 54, is managing partner of mega private equity company MidEuropa, which has assets worth £4.5bn.

    He and his high-flying NHS doctor wife, who share two other kids, own a £6million gated six-bed mansion in leafy Hampstead, North West London, where celebs like comedian Ricky Gervais live.

    A hybrid 19-plate BMW was parked on the driveway of the swanky Spanish villa-style mansion today...Oxford University student Knorr was detained by police after chucking orange powder on to the Lord’s field.

    He has now been charged with aggravated trespass.'


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22863531/eco-jonny-bairstow-ashes-millionaire-business-mansion/

    Your politics of envy are so unConservative.
    Exactly what was confusing me. HYUFD is normally so in favour of posh universities such as Oxford and Cambridge because we are supposed to grovel to their products, ditto people who will gain massively from recent and future increases to IHT allowances. He ought to be performing proskynesis to this young gentleman.
    I've got a measure of HYUFD. It's all about hierarchy. There are signifiers of high social status, and although a degree from a "good" university is one of them, the signifiers themselves exist in a hierarchy. And political purity is one of the highest. So an Oxford graduate who is a conservative is thus above an Oxford graduate who is a liberal, or socialist, or green. And a conservative with no degree is above still above a liberal aristo with a PhD.
    He's not averse to transgressing the hierarchies or even reversing them completely when he wants to prove that a person who is "impure" is indeed impure. So a posh background is a thing to be vaunted in a neutral scenario, but when the person in question is politically suspect, it's a stick to beat them with.

    For all his preaching of ideological purity, his lower-order categories are incredibly fluid in the service of the higher-order ones.
    Alternative theory - the Just Stop Oil protestor was just a worthless little scrote, who clearly didn't want to 'stop oil' enough to prevent him wearing an ensemble of oil derived synthetic fibres.
    Alternative alternative theory — he's an Oxford student not posh enough to lob bricks through restaurant windows.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731
    Andy_JS said:

    Jake Berry MP, who until recently was chairman of the Conservative Party, reacts to today's Rwanda judgement.

    "@JakeBerry

    Your elected parliament voted for the Rwanda Policy - the establishment blocked it.
    Who’s in charge - the voters or the blob?

    #blobonomics #Rwanda"
    https://twitter.com/JakeBerry/status/1674420018766049280

    The Blob,The Law, what's the difference?
  • ydoethur said:

    kjh said:

    Farooq said:

    Milkshaking is back....

    Some guy pours milk over @JustStop_Oil protester in Hammersmith

    https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1674442241937424384?s=20

    That brings back memories! Remember the moral panic there was around milkshaking? Some how society pulled through that terrible threat to freedom…
    Didn’t Jo Brand want to change it to battery acid for people she didn’t like?
    I hope the police charged her
    That made me giggle. I assume the charge would be assault and battery.
    Assume? You don't seem positive.
    Watt did you expect?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,084
    Damn: scooped by seconds to a Bullingdon reference.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,500

    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    'THE eco-yob carried off the Ashes pitch is the son of a millionaire private equity chief with a £6million mansion whose firm invests in climate change "opportunities"...he Sun can today reveal Knorr’s dad Robert, 54, is managing partner of mega private equity company MidEuropa, which has assets worth £4.5bn.

    He and his high-flying NHS doctor wife, who share two other kids, own a £6million gated six-bed mansion in leafy Hampstead, North West London, where celebs like comedian Ricky Gervais live.

    A hybrid 19-plate BMW was parked on the driveway of the swanky Spanish villa-style mansion today...Oxford University student Knorr was detained by police after chucking orange powder on to the Lord’s field.

    He has now been charged with aggravated trespass.'


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22863531/eco-jonny-bairstow-ashes-millionaire-business-mansion/

    Your politics of envy are so unConservative.
    Exactly what was confusing me. HYUFD is normally so in favour of posh universities such as Oxford and Cambridge because we are supposed to grovel to their products, ditto people who will gain massively from recent and future increases to IHT allowances. He ought to be performing proskynesis to this young gentleman.
    I've got a measure of HYUFD. It's all about hierarchy. There are signifiers of high social status, and although a degree from a "good" university is one of them, the signifiers themselves exist in a hierarchy. And political purity is one of the highest. So an Oxford graduate who is a conservative is thus above an Oxford graduate who is a liberal, or socialist, or green. And a conservative with no degree is above still above a liberal aristo with a PhD.
    He's not averse to transgressing the hierarchies or even reversing them completely when he wants to prove that a person who is "impure" is indeed impure. So a posh background is a thing to be vaunted in a neutral scenario, but when the person in question is politically suspect, it's a stick to beat them with.

    For all his preaching of ideological purity, his lower-order categories are incredibly fluid in the service of the higher-order ones.
    Alternative theory - the Just Stop Oil protestor was just a worthless little scrote, who clearly didn't want to 'stop oil' enough to prevent him wearing an ensemble of oil derived synthetic fibres.
    All Just Stop Oil protestors should be interred in oil barrels - that'd keep them out of the way, and in a small way facilitate their aims in that they'll put a barrel out of use for oil.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731
    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Konstantin Kisin
    @KonstantinKisin

    Using bank account cancellations as a political weapon is insane. Short sighted people will celebrate it when it happens to their political opponents but it is a can of worms no side should ever open."

    https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1674466220937031691

    What makes you so convinced that it was for political reasons, when even Farage says he hasn't been told why?
    Kisin believes it has happened to him too.
    Apart from his paranoia what evidence does he have?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    'THE eco-yob carried off the Ashes pitch is the son of a millionaire private equity chief with a £6million mansion whose firm invests in climate change "opportunities"...he Sun can today reveal Knorr’s dad Robert, 54, is managing partner of mega private equity company MidEuropa, which has assets worth £4.5bn.

    He and his high-flying NHS doctor wife, who share two other kids, own a £6million gated six-bed mansion in leafy Hampstead, North West London, where celebs like comedian Ricky Gervais live.

    A hybrid 19-plate BMW was parked on the driveway of the swanky Spanish villa-style mansion today...Oxford University student Knorr was detained by police after chucking orange powder on to the Lord’s field.

    He has now been charged with aggravated trespass.'


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22863531/eco-jonny-bairstow-ashes-millionaire-business-mansion/

    Your politics of envy are so unConservative.
    Exactly what was confusing me. HYUFD is normally so in favour of posh universities such as Oxford and Cambridge because we are supposed to grovel to their products, ditto people who will gain massively from recent and future increases to IHT allowances. He ought to be performing proskynesis to this young gentleman.
    I've got a measure of HYUFD. It's all about hierarchy. There are signifiers of high social status, and although a degree from a "good" university is one of them, the signifiers themselves exist in a hierarchy. And political purity is one of the highest. So an Oxford graduate who is a conservative is thus above an Oxford graduate who is a liberal, or socialist, or green. And a conservative with no degree is above still above a liberal aristo with a PhD.
    He's not averse to transgressing the hierarchies or even reversing them completely when he wants to prove that a person who is "impure" is indeed impure. So a posh background is a thing to be vaunted in a neutral scenario, but when the person in question is politically suspect, it's a stick to beat them with.

    For all his preaching of ideological purity, his lower-order categories are incredibly fluid in the service of the higher-order ones.
    I may agree with a conservative with no degree more than a liberal aristo with a Phd, however I would never claim the former was posher than the latter. Indeed as I have often said LD voters are now generally posher than most Tory as well as Labour voters
    In many parts of London Tory supporters are probably often the 4th most posh, after LD, Green and Lab.
    Indeed, LD Remain voters are now the poshest voters.

    Just look at most LD seats, all voted Remain and all very posh with house prices on average up to a million or more. Richmond Park, St Albans, Kingston Upon Thames, Oxford West and Abingdon, Chesham and Amersham, Twickenham etc.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627

    ydoethur said:

    kjh said:

    Farooq said:

    Milkshaking is back....

    Some guy pours milk over @JustStop_Oil protester in Hammersmith

    https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1674442241937424384?s=20

    That brings back memories! Remember the moral panic there was around milkshaking? Some how society pulled through that terrible threat to freedom…
    Didn’t Jo Brand want to change it to battery acid for people she didn’t like?
    I hope the police charged her
    That made me giggle. I assume the charge would be assault and battery.
    Assume? You don't seem positive.
    Watt did you expect?
    A negative, possibly terminal reaction.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,533
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Camden absolutely rammed on a sunny Thursday evening. Every restaurant full

    Was the same in King’s Cross on Tuesday. Jammers (where Coal Drops Yard has exploded into life: finally and deservedly)

    If we are teetering on the edge of recession it’s quite a soft edge

    It wasn't that long ago that Kings Cross still resembled a bomb site. 2005 perhaps.
    I remember arriving at Kings Cross - maybe late 80s, early 90s - and thinking 'Wow - this is even grimmer than Glasgow'.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,069
    edited June 2023
    Andy_JS said:

    Jake Berry MP, who until recently was chairman of the Conservative Party, reacts to today's Rwanda judgement.

    "@JakeBerry

    Your elected parliament voted for the Rwanda Policy - the establishment blocked it.
    Who’s in charge - the voters or the blob?

    #blobonomics #Rwanda"
    https://twitter.com/JakeBerry/status/1674420018766049280

    This is the sort of thing that makes you wonder about their integrity. This really is Daily Mail level.

    The court concluded, doing its best, that the government was attempting to break the law in its Rwanda policy. The 'law' in question being what parliament approves.

    When parliament approves contradictory things, courts, assisted by about 30 top and expensive legal minds, have to decide what to do and what parliament means. It seems to me in truth that the judgement bent over backwards to support the government in most of its points.

    I hope the SC blows the government out of the water over this one.

    BTW MPs ought to be accountable in what they say for contempt of court. They are in a unique position.

  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,813
    Farooq said:

    pigeon said:

    kle4 said:

    You cannot trust Brexiteers like Sunak with defence.

    The head of the British army could resign, allies say, amid a fierce row over further proposed cuts to land forces in the run-up to a special defence review responding to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

    Interviews have already begun to replace Gen Sir Patrick Sanders, who has served only a year as chief of the general staff, and friends of the military leader say he may quit even sooner if the defence secretary, Ben Wallace, imposes further cuts.

    “He told Wallace that he could not deliver without more headcount and budget, and Wallace didn’t like that all,” an ally of Sanders, speaking on condition of anonymity, said. “It looks like cuts are coming and [Sanders] may use this as an opportunity to resign.”


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/29/head-of-british-army-could-quit-in-row-over-further-cuts

    I know there are some that like to claim that since Russia has struggled in Ukraine that means we clearly don't need as much defence spending as we do, but quite frankly our forces seem unable to do pretty much anything - I'm sure a lot has been wasted on carriers that don't work and vehicles costing 10x what they should or whatever, but it seems to me we need a larger force if we are to have the flexibility and potentiality which is beneficial.
    Functional armed forces are like functional anything else - they cost money. The state spends most of its money on healthcare, education and benefits (and can't get any of those right, either); the NHS and social security at least are going to keep hoovering up more and more cash; and Government seems unwilling or unable to raise even more to compensate. Under those circumstances, the defence budget isn't going to get a look in.
    We spend the 6th most on defence in the world, and the 10th most in terms of % of GDP.

    Defence, emphatically, gets a "look in" in this country.
    These things are all relative, of course. Ultimately, employing a large number of personnel and buying and maintaining expensive high-tech kit costs and awful lot of money, and if the country wants to maintain a broad range of military capabilities then it's going to have to keep spending more cash. Otherwise something's got to give.

    The Chief of the General Staff appears to have concluded that the politicians aren't willing to spend more money and that the sacrificial lamb is, therefore, some chunk of the army. Perhaps Wallace has simply decided we no longer need tanks and plans to send all of them to Ukraine?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    edited June 2023
    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    'THE eco-yob carried off the Ashes pitch is the son of a millionaire private equity chief with a £6million mansion whose firm invests in climate change "opportunities"...he Sun can today reveal Knorr’s dad Robert, 54, is managing partner of mega private equity company MidEuropa, which has assets worth £4.5bn.

    He and his high-flying NHS doctor wife, who share two other kids, own a £6million gated six-bed mansion in leafy Hampstead, North West London, where celebs like comedian Ricky Gervais live.

    A hybrid 19-plate BMW was parked on the driveway of the swanky Spanish villa-style mansion today...Oxford University student Knorr was detained by police after chucking orange powder on to the Lord’s field.

    He has now been charged with aggravated trespass.'


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22863531/eco-jonny-bairstow-ashes-millionaire-business-mansion/

    Your politics of envy are so unConservative.
    Exactly what was confusing me. HYUFD is normally so in favour of posh universities such as Oxford and Cambridge because we are supposed to grovel to their products, ditto people who will gain massively from recent and future increases to IHT allowances. He ought to be performing proskynesis to this young gentleman.
    I've got a measure of HYUFD. It's all about hierarchy. There are signifiers of high social status, and although a degree from a "good" university is one of them, the signifiers themselves exist in a hierarchy. And political purity is one of the highest. So an Oxford graduate who is a conservative is thus above an Oxford graduate who is a liberal, or socialist, or green. And a conservative with no degree is above still above a liberal aristo with a PhD.
    He's not averse to transgressing the hierarchies or even reversing them completely when he wants to prove that a person who is "impure" is indeed impure. So a posh background is a thing to be vaunted in a neutral scenario, but when the person in question is politically suspect, it's a stick to beat them with.

    For all his preaching of ideological purity, his lower-order categories are incredibly fluid in the service of the higher-order ones.
    I may agree with a conservative with no degree more than a liberal aristo with a Phd, however I would never claim the former was posher than the latter. Indeed as I have often said LD voters are now generally posher than most Tory as well as Labour voters
    In many parts of London Tory supporters are probably often the 4th most posh, after LD, Green and Lab.
    Indeed, LD Remain voters are now the poshest voters.

    Just look at most LD seats, all voted Remain and all very posh with house prices on average up to a million or more. Richmond Park, St Albans, Kingston Upon Thames, Oxford West and Abingdon, Chesham and Amersham, Twickenham etc.
    Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross?
    Still not far off the Scottish average house price and hardly a redwall seat either.

    Plus Bath, Edinburgh West and LD top target seats like Esher and Walton and Cheltenham.

    The LDs also got a much higher voteshare in Kensington and Cities of London and Westminster in 2019 than they did UK wide, 21% and 31% respectively compared to 12% UK wide
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731
    Why is it that the Russian Embassy is so concerned about these missing citizens? Answers on a postcard to Wiltshire Constabulary please.

    https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/1674489115662753797?t=kmzyf9RvxBDHiU8RKxD8Ng&s=19
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,650
    ohnotnow said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Camden absolutely rammed on a sunny Thursday evening. Every restaurant full

    Was the same in King’s Cross on Tuesday. Jammers (where Coal Drops Yard has exploded into life: finally and deservedly)

    If we are teetering on the edge of recession it’s quite a soft edge

    It wasn't that long ago that Kings Cross still resembled a bomb site. 2005 perhaps.
    I remember arriving at Kings Cross - maybe late 80s, early 90s - and thinking 'Wow - this is even grimmer than Glasgow'.
    I lived in a bedsit at the top of Grays Inn Road for 6 months in 1999. Grim doesn't describe it...
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,162
    edited June 2023

    Some more (slightly wonky) evidence for my contention that one of Britain’s umpteen issues is oligopolistic markets.

    https://twitter.com/gilesyb/status/1674426388592615424?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg

    Your contentions are based on the premise that Britain is damned and the US couldn't be better, and is a supreme level of confirmation bias that's so strong it's almost performance art.
    Don’t be daft.
    When have I ever said, “the US couldn’t be better”?
    It’s better in many ways, worse in many others.

    A good Rawlsian test might be, where would you rather be born in 2023? I’m genuinely torn by that one.

    I do believe it is better for most professionals, but even there it is hardly clear cut.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,533
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Konstantin Kisin
    @KonstantinKisin

    Using bank account cancellations as a political weapon is insane. Short sighted people will celebrate it when it happens to their political opponents but it is a can of worms no side should ever open."

    https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1674466220937031691

    What makes you so convinced that it was for political reasons, when even Farage says he hasn't been told why?
    Kisin believes it has happened to him too.
    Apart from his paranoia what evidence does he have?
    The regular random person who has their life messed up by a bank blocking their account is obviously also the result of a political campaign and not just the unfortunate result of a Brazil-esque bureaucracy where 'computer says no'.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,314
    ohnotnow said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Camden absolutely rammed on a sunny Thursday evening. Every restaurant full

    Was the same in King’s Cross on Tuesday. Jammers (where Coal Drops Yard has exploded into life: finally and deservedly)

    If we are teetering on the edge of recession it’s quite a soft edge

    It wasn't that long ago that Kings Cross still resembled a bomb site. 2005 perhaps.
    I remember arriving at Kings Cross - maybe late 80s, early 90s - and thinking 'Wow - this is even grimmer than Glasgow'.
    Oh, it was pretty grim, until about 2005. Then it was a building site for a decade, and now it’s a fantastic place. Urban regeneration done properly.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,162
    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Camden absolutely rammed on a sunny Thursday evening. Every restaurant full

    Was the same in King’s Cross on Tuesday. Jammers (where Coal Drops Yard has exploded into life: finally and deservedly)

    If we are teetering on the edge of recession it’s quite a soft edge

    It wasn't that long ago that Kings Cross still resembled a bomb site. 2005 perhaps.
    I remember arriving at Kings Cross - maybe late 80s, early 90s - and thinking 'Wow - this is even grimmer than Glasgow'.
    It’s a truly wonderful transformation. Architects and urbanists come from around the world to marvel at it, and learn from it. Kings X is generally regarded as the world’s greatest example of post industrial regeneration

    We should be totally proud of it

    I am glad to hear it is thriving.
    The goods yard shopping centre thing seemed a bit heroic. Largely empty when I was last there…
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,539
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Konstantin Kisin
    @KonstantinKisin

    Using bank account cancellations as a political weapon is insane. Short sighted people will celebrate it when it happens to their political opponents but it is a can of worms no side should ever open."

    https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1674466220937031691

    What makes you so convinced that it was for political reasons, when even Farage says he hasn't been told why?
    Kisin believes it has happened to him too.
    Apart from his paranoia what evidence does he have?
    Probably when his bank closed his account. He doesn't strike me as the paranoid type at all.

    https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1659563943419887616?lang=en-GB

    Obviously they exist on donations. I suppose those donations could be coming from questionable sources. But there are no explanations given.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,977
    edited June 2023
    Andy_JS said:

    Jake Berry MP, who until recently was chairman of the Conservative Party, reacts to today's Rwanda judgement.

    "@JakeBerry

    Your elected parliament voted for the Rwanda Policy - the establishment blocked it.
    Who’s in charge - the voters or the blob?

    #blobonomics #Rwanda"
    https://twitter.com/JakeBerry/status/1674420018766049280

    Oh for f*ck's sake why bang on about 'the establishment'? How is parliament not 'the establishment'? Bloody idiots, the lot of them.

    If it is upheld as unlawful Parliament can make it lawful, it will just take more work. As algarkirk notes parliament will pass things that are contradictory, and the courts must weigh in.

    People like him are almost certainly proud liars too, since I would be good money that if a court upholds an appeal against a Labour government measure he would suddently think it ok.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,533
    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Camden absolutely rammed on a sunny Thursday evening. Every restaurant full

    Was the same in King’s Cross on Tuesday. Jammers (where Coal Drops Yard has exploded into life: finally and deservedly)

    If we are teetering on the edge of recession it’s quite a soft edge

    It wasn't that long ago that Kings Cross still resembled a bomb site. 2005 perhaps.
    I remember arriving at Kings Cross - maybe late 80s, early 90s - and thinking 'Wow - this is even grimmer than Glasgow'.
    It’s a truly wonderful transformation. Architects and urbanists come from around the world to marvel at it, and learn from it. Kings X is generally regarded as the world’s greatest example of post industrial regeneration

    We should be totally proud of it

    And Glasgow too, obviously. Especially my bit.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,092
    Farooq said:

    Steve Smith cheating?

    Well I never.

    When I go to the third and fourth tests, I'm going to ask him to sign some sandpaper;
    There's a "kangaroo court/caught" joke here but it's just out of my reach.
    Racism against marsupials!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,162
    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Jake Berry MP, who until recently was chairman of the Conservative Party, reacts to today's Rwanda judgement.

    "@JakeBerry

    Your elected parliament voted for the Rwanda Policy - the establishment blocked it.
    Who’s in charge - the voters or the blob?

    #blobonomics #Rwanda"
    https://twitter.com/JakeBerry/status/1674420018766049280

    Oh for f*ck's sake why bang on about 'the establishment'? How is parliament not 'the establishment'? Bloody idiots, the lot of them.

    If it is upheld as unlawful Parliament can make it lawful, it will just take more work. As algarkirk notes parliament will pass things that are contradictory, and the courts must weigh in.

    People like him are almost certainly proud liars too, since I would be good money that if a court upholds an appeal against a Labour government measure he would suddently think it ok.
    These red wall MPs are absolute roasters.
    Can’t wait till they’re flushed and safely through the U-bend.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,977
    edited June 2023
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Konstantin Kisin
    @KonstantinKisin

    Using bank account cancellations as a political weapon is insane. Short sighted people will celebrate it when it happens to their political opponents but it is a can of worms no side should ever open."

    https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1674466220937031691

    What makes you so convinced that it was for political reasons, when even Farage says he hasn't been told why?
    Kisin believes it has happened to him too.
    Apart from his paranoia what evidence does he have?
    He's done a sharp right turn in the past year (or stopped hiding it), and has increasingly diverged from his 'political non-binary' position as per his twitter bio, to flirting with the Muskian tendency to believe any old thing that confirms what he supports and seeing himself as a lone fighter for freedom.

    A little fame goes to peoples' heads and what starts out as good points and sensible questioning becomes posturing. He still makes plenty of points I agree with, but he definitely shows leg to one particular side now.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,500

    Farooq said:

    Steve Smith cheating?

    Well I never.

    When I go to the third and fourth tests, I'm going to ask him to sign some sandpaper;
    There's a "kangaroo court/caught" joke here but it's just out of my reach.
    Racism against marsupials!
    Wallarby funny and funny are not the same you know!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Camden absolutely rammed on a sunny Thursday evening. Every restaurant full

    Was the same in King’s Cross on Tuesday. Jammers (where Coal Drops Yard has exploded into life: finally and deservedly)

    If we are teetering on the edge of recession it’s quite a soft edge

    It wasn't that long ago that Kings Cross still resembled a bomb site. 2005 perhaps.
    I remember arriving at Kings Cross - maybe late 80s, early 90s - and thinking 'Wow - this is even grimmer than Glasgow'.
    It’s a truly wonderful transformation. Architects and urbanists come from around the world to marvel at it, and learn from it. Kings X is generally regarded as the world’s greatest example of post industrial regeneration

    We should be totally proud of it

    I am glad to hear it is thriving.
    The goods yard shopping centre thing seemed a bit heroic. Largely empty when I was last there…
    It’s booming now

    “London’s mega King’s Cross development is enjoying continued strong post-pandemic sales within its retail and food & drink outlets as it prepares for completion of the final batch of mixed-use buildings in 2024, reports Glynn Davis 👇”

    https://twitter.com/altaviawatch/status/1664321904776298497?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    And people come from afar to marvel, learn and copy


    “Roads & Transport CS Kipchumba Murkomen inspired by the architectural masterpieces, infrastructural organisation and impeccable planning of King’s Cross District, London. Seeks to replicate the same in the development of Nairobi Railway City”

    https://twitter.com/citizentvkenya/status/1628761836714704898?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,314
    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Camden absolutely rammed on a sunny Thursday evening. Every restaurant full

    Was the same in King’s Cross on Tuesday. Jammers (where Coal Drops Yard has exploded into life: finally and deservedly)

    If we are teetering on the edge of recession it’s quite a soft edge

    It wasn't that long ago that Kings Cross still resembled a bomb site. 2005 perhaps.
    I remember arriving at Kings Cross - maybe late 80s, early 90s - and thinking 'Wow - this is even grimmer than Glasgow'.
    It’s a truly wonderful transformation. Architects and urbanists come from around the world to marvel at it, and learn from it. Kings X is generally regarded as the world’s greatest example of post industrial regeneration

    We should be totally proud of it

    And Glasgow too, obviously. Especially my bit.
    Manchester also did a pretty good job of it, but I think my city wins the 2000s building competition!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,162
    Farooq said:

    Some more (slightly wonky) evidence for my contention that one of Britain’s umpteen issues is oligopolistic markets.

    https://twitter.com/gilesyb/status/1674426388592615424?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg

    Your contentions are based on the premise that Britain is damned and the US couldn't be better, and is a supreme level of confirmation bias that's so strong it's almost performance art.
    Don’t be daft.
    When have I ever said, “the US couldn’t be better”?
    It’s better in many ways, worse in many others.

    A good Rawlsian test might be, where would you rather be born in 2023? I’m genuinely torn by that one.

    I do believe it is better for most professionals, but even there it is hardly clear cut.
    Scandinavia
    Western Europe
    Japan/South Korea
    Aus/NZ
    Ireland
    UK
    Canada
    Central Europe
    Southern Europe
    Eastern Europe
    South America
    Pacific Islands
    Middle East
    Asia not specified
    China
    Africa
    In a submarine that's about to implode
    The moon
    Deep space
    USA
    North Korea
    Russia
    That’s absurdly low for the USA.
    Vast swathes of it are prosperous, free, and unselfconsciously happy.
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,605

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Konstantin Kisin
    @KonstantinKisin

    Using bank account cancellations as a political weapon is insane. Short sighted people will celebrate it when it happens to their political opponents but it is a can of worms no side should ever open."

    https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1674466220937031691

    What makes you so convinced that it was for political reasons, when even Farage says he hasn't been told why?
    Kisin believes it has happened to him too.
    Apart from his paranoia what evidence does he have?
    Probably when his bank closed his account. He doesn't strike me as the paranoid type at all.

    https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1659563943419887616?lang=en-GB

    Obviously they exist on donations. I suppose those donations could be coming from questionable sources. But there are no explanations given.
    Kisin didn’t strike me as paranoid either more confused initially and then a little annoyed at the inconvenience.

    Laurence Fox,has also claimed the Reclaim Party cannot get banking

    Wings over Scotland recently had his account terminated too.

    Whatever the rights and wrongs of this it certainly gives succour to the anti cashless society/prison planet brigade.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,162
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Camden absolutely rammed on a sunny Thursday evening. Every restaurant full

    Was the same in King’s Cross on Tuesday. Jammers (where Coal Drops Yard has exploded into life: finally and deservedly)

    If we are teetering on the edge of recession it’s quite a soft edge

    It wasn't that long ago that Kings Cross still resembled a bomb site. 2005 perhaps.
    I remember arriving at Kings Cross - maybe late 80s, early 90s - and thinking 'Wow - this is even grimmer than Glasgow'.
    It’s a truly wonderful transformation. Architects and urbanists come from around the world to marvel at it, and learn from it. Kings X is generally regarded as the world’s greatest example of post industrial regeneration

    We should be totally proud of it

    I am glad to hear it is thriving.
    The goods yard shopping centre thing seemed a bit heroic. Largely empty when I was last there…
    It’s booming now

    “London’s mega King’s Cross development is enjoying continued strong post-pandemic sales within its retail and food & drink outlets as it prepares for completion of the final batch of mixed-use buildings in 2024, reports Glynn Davis 👇”

    https://twitter.com/altaviawatch/status/1664321904776298497?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    And people come from afar to marvel, learn and copy


    “Roads & Transport CS Kipchumba Murkomen inspired by the architectural masterpieces, infrastructural organisation and impeccable planning of King’s Cross District, London. Seeks to replicate the same in the development of Nairobi Railway City”

    https://twitter.com/citizentvkenya/status/1628761836714704898?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
    Very good to hear this.
    Not least because I own a flat 10 mins walk away.

    I remember by utter confusion when I first encountered the shambolic frontage nearly twenty-five years ago. Ouch, I am getting old.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Camden absolutely rammed on a sunny Thursday evening. Every restaurant full

    Was the same in King’s Cross on Tuesday. Jammers (where Coal Drops Yard has exploded into life: finally and deservedly)

    If we are teetering on the edge of recession it’s quite a soft edge

    It wasn't that long ago that Kings Cross still resembled a bomb site. 2005 perhaps.
    I remember arriving at Kings Cross - maybe late 80s, early 90s - and thinking 'Wow - this is even grimmer than Glasgow'.
    It’s a truly wonderful transformation. Architects and urbanists come from around the world to marvel at it, and learn from it. Kings X is generally regarded as the world’s greatest example of post industrial regeneration

    We should be totally proud of it

    I am glad to hear it is thriving.
    The goods yard shopping centre thing seemed a bit heroic. Largely empty when I was last there…
    It’s booming now

    “London’s mega King’s Cross development is enjoying continued strong post-pandemic sales within its retail and food & drink outlets as it prepares for completion of the final batch of mixed-use buildings in 2024, reports Glynn Davis 👇”

    https://twitter.com/altaviawatch/status/1664321904776298497?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    And people come from afar to marvel, learn and copy


    “Roads & Transport CS Kipchumba Murkomen inspired by the architectural masterpieces, infrastructural organisation and impeccable planning of King’s Cross District, London. Seeks to replicate the same in the development of Nairobi Railway City”

    https://twitter.com/citizentvkenya/status/1628761836714704898?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
    Very good to hear this.
    Not least because I own a flat 10 mins walk away.

    I remember by utter confusion when I first encountered the shambolic frontage nearly twenty-five years ago. Ouch, I am getting old.
    I was genuinely shocked when I went there on Tuesday. Yes it was a nice sunny evening in June. But still

    It was absolutely rammed. No restaurant tables anywhere. The whole canal front where you watch open air movies was chocka

    And mostly artsy young people, art students, some trendy tourists, local media workers

    It looked like an advert for the perfect post industrial city. All pedestrian. Lots of happy beautiful people. Like a rendering of urban utopia

    And they haven’t even opened the enormous Google HQ yet - which will bring in thousands more affluent workers. You’d rather be there than San Francisco for sure

    What a shame that they didn’t match this standard in Battersea and Paddington - they’re not disasters but King’s Cross js special
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,455
    edited June 2023

    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    'THE eco-yob carried off the Ashes pitch is the son of a millionaire private equity chief with a £6million mansion whose firm invests in climate change "opportunities"...he Sun can today reveal Knorr’s dad Robert, 54, is managing partner of mega private equity company MidEuropa, which has assets worth £4.5bn.

    He and his high-flying NHS doctor wife, who share two other kids, own a £6million gated six-bed mansion in leafy Hampstead, North West London, where celebs like comedian Ricky Gervais live.

    A hybrid 19-plate BMW was parked on the driveway of the swanky Spanish villa-style mansion today...Oxford University student Knorr was detained by police after chucking orange powder on to the Lord’s field.

    He has now been charged with aggravated trespass.'


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22863531/eco-jonny-bairstow-ashes-millionaire-business-mansion/

    Your politics of envy are so unConservative.
    Exactly what was confusing me. HYUFD is normally so in favour of posh universities such as Oxford and Cambridge because we are supposed to grovel to their products, ditto people who will gain massively from recent and future increases to IHT allowances. He ought to be performing proskynesis to this young gentleman.
    I've got a measure of HYUFD. It's all about hierarchy. There are signifiers of high social status, and although a degree from a "good" university is one of them, the signifiers themselves exist in a hierarchy. And political purity is one of the highest. So an Oxford graduate who is a conservative is thus above an Oxford graduate who is a liberal, or socialist, or green. And a conservative with no degree is above still above a liberal aristo with a PhD.
    He's not averse to transgressing the hierarchies or even reversing them completely when he wants to prove that a person who is "impure" is indeed impure. So a posh background is a thing to be vaunted in a neutral scenario, but when the person in question is politically suspect, it's a stick to beat them with.

    For all his preaching of ideological purity, his lower-order categories are incredibly fluid in the service of the higher-order ones.
    Alternative theory - the Just Stop Oil protestor was just a worthless little scrote, who clearly didn't want to 'stop oil' enough to prevent him wearing an ensemble of oil derived synthetic fibres.
    Alternative alternative theory — he's an Oxford student not posh enough to lob bricks through restaurant windows.
    I was thinking that too, having heard about that sort of thing from friends, one of whom had her local village gastropub trashed by one of those gangs of "undergraduates", soi-disant from the "Bullingdon Club". In what respect is this more gentlemanly? HUFD's social calculus does not offer me an answer.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757

    Leon said:

    Re the SCOTUS decision, it’s not even disfavoured by Hispanics


    “The Pew survey shows a clear divide along racial and ethnic lines: A majority of white and Asian adults disapprove of racial consideration in admissions, while Black Americans largely approve and Hispanics are about evenly split”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/29/us/politics/affirmative-action-polls.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

    With that demographic breakdown, this will be a popular decision with American voters as a whole, and if Biden fights it (as he says he will) he will be making the next election harder for himself

    Or you were right third time and no-one really cares. How many kids are borderline for admission to Harvard in any given election year?
    Decision is MUCH broader than just Harvard, will impact (would-be) students in universities from sea to shining sea.

    And while it's probably not an electoral game changer, to say that "no-one really cares" is going toooo far.
    Sotomayor cares.
    “Lost arguments are not grounds to overrule a case. When proponents of those arguments, greater now in number on the Court, return to fight old battles anew, it betrays an unrestrained disregard for precedent. It fosters the People’s suspicions that ‘bedrock principles are founded . . . in the proclivities of individuals’ on this Court, not in the law, and it degrades ‘the integrity of our constitutional system of government.’ Nowhere is the damage greater than in cases like these that touch upon matters of representation and institutional legitimacy.”
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,092
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Some more (slightly wonky) evidence for my contention that one of Britain’s umpteen issues is oligopolistic markets.

    https://twitter.com/gilesyb/status/1674426388592615424?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg

    Your contentions are based on the premise that Britain is damned and the US couldn't be better, and is a supreme level of confirmation bias that's so strong it's almost performance art.
    Don’t be daft.
    When have I ever said, “the US couldn’t be better”?
    It’s better in many ways, worse in many others.

    A good Rawlsian test might be, where would you rather be born in 2023? I’m genuinely torn by that one.

    I do believe it is better for most professionals, but even there it is hardly clear cut.
    Scandinavia
    Western Europe
    Japan/South Korea
    Aus/NZ
    Ireland
    UK
    Canada
    Central Europe
    Southern Europe
    Eastern Europe
    South America
    Pacific Islands
    Middle East
    Asia not specified
    China
    Africa
    In a submarine that's about to implode
    The moon
    Deep space
    USA
    North Korea
    Russia
    That’s absurdly low for the USA.
    Vast swathes of it are prosperous, free, and unselfconsciously happy.
    Moon.
    Deep space.
    USA.

    I'm not changing my mind.
    I mean, nearly half the country voted, in a free and fair election, for Donald Trump.

    Twice

    I'll take my chance exiting the birth canal straight into the airless cold of space over that.
    Steady on! More Americans voted for Hillary than for Trump in 2016, and even more Americans voted for Biden in 2020!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,366
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Camden absolutely rammed on a sunny Thursday evening. Every restaurant full

    Was the same in King’s Cross on Tuesday. Jammers (where Coal Drops Yard has exploded into life: finally and deservedly)

    If we are teetering on the edge of recession it’s quite a soft edge

    It wasn't that long ago that Kings Cross still resembled a bomb site. 2005 perhaps.
    I remember arriving at Kings Cross - maybe late 80s, early 90s - and thinking 'Wow - this is even grimmer than Glasgow'.
    It’s a truly wonderful transformation. Architects and urbanists come from around the world to marvel at it, and learn from it. Kings X is generally regarded as the world’s greatest example of post industrial regeneration

    We should be totally proud of it

    I am glad to hear it is thriving.
    The goods yard shopping centre thing seemed a bit heroic. Largely empty when I was last there…
    It’s booming now

    “London’s mega King’s Cross development is enjoying continued strong post-pandemic sales within its retail and food & drink outlets as it prepares for completion of the final batch of mixed-use buildings in 2024, reports Glynn Davis 👇”

    https://twitter.com/altaviawatch/status/1664321904776298497?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    And people come from afar to marvel, learn and copy


    “Roads & Transport CS Kipchumba Murkomen inspired by the architectural masterpieces, infrastructural organisation and impeccable planning of King’s Cross District, London. Seeks to replicate the same in the development of Nairobi Railway City”

    https://twitter.com/citizentvkenya/status/1628761836714704898?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
    Very good to hear this.
    Not least because I own a flat 10 mins walk away.

    I remember by utter confusion when I first encountered the shambolic frontage nearly twenty-five years ago. Ouch, I am getting old.
    I was genuinely shocked when I went there on Tuesday. Yes it was a nice sunny evening in June. But still

    It was absolutely rammed. No restaurant tables anywhere. The whole canal front where you watch open air movies was chocka

    And mostly artsy young people, art students, some trendy tourists, local media workers

    It looked like an advert for the perfect post industrial city. All pedestrian. Lots of happy beautiful people. Like a rendering of urban utopia

    And they haven’t even opened the enormous Google HQ yet - which will bring in thousands more affluent workers. You’d rather be there than San Francisco for sure

    What a shame that they didn’t match this standard in Battersea and Paddington - they’re not disasters but King’s Cross js special
    OpenAI announced today London will the location of their first overseas office.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,528

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Camden absolutely rammed on a sunny Thursday evening. Every restaurant full

    Was the same in King’s Cross on Tuesday. Jammers (where Coal Drops Yard has exploded into life: finally and deservedly)

    If we are teetering on the edge of recession it’s quite a soft edge

    It wasn't that long ago that Kings Cross still resembled a bomb site. 2005 perhaps.
    I remember arriving at Kings Cross - maybe late 80s, early 90s - and thinking 'Wow - this is even grimmer than Glasgow'.
    It’s a truly wonderful transformation. Architects and urbanists come from around the world to marvel at it, and learn from it. Kings X is generally regarded as the world’s greatest example of post industrial regeneration

    We should be totally proud of it

    I am glad to hear it is thriving.
    The goods yard shopping centre thing seemed a bit heroic. Largely empty when I was last there…
    It’s booming now

    “London’s mega King’s Cross development is enjoying continued strong post-pandemic sales within its retail and food & drink outlets as it prepares for completion of the final batch of mixed-use buildings in 2024, reports Glynn Davis 👇”

    https://twitter.com/altaviawatch/status/1664321904776298497?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    And people come from afar to marvel, learn and copy


    “Roads & Transport CS Kipchumba Murkomen inspired by the architectural masterpieces, infrastructural organisation and impeccable planning of King’s Cross District, London. Seeks to replicate the same in the development of Nairobi Railway City”

    https://twitter.com/citizentvkenya/status/1628761836714704898?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
    Very good to hear this.
    Not least because I own a flat 10 mins walk away.

    I remember by utter confusion when I first encountered the shambolic frontage nearly twenty-five years ago. Ouch, I am getting old.
    I was genuinely shocked when I went there on Tuesday. Yes it was a nice sunny evening in June. But still

    It was absolutely rammed. No restaurant tables anywhere. The whole canal front where you watch open air movies was chocka

    And mostly artsy young people, art students, some trendy tourists, local media workers

    It looked like an advert for the perfect post industrial city. All pedestrian. Lots of happy beautiful people. Like a rendering of urban utopia

    And they haven’t even opened the enormous Google HQ yet - which will bring in thousands more affluent workers. You’d rather be there than San Francisco for sure

    What a shame that they didn’t match this standard in Battersea and Paddington - they’re not disasters but King’s Cross js special
    OpenAI announced today London will the location of their first overseas office.
    Despite or because of Brexit?

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,358
    Conservative wipeout could bring a hard Frost

    If Tories win fewer than 200 seats, right-wing MPs may turn to a complete outsider such as the ex-Brexit negotiator

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/conservative-wipeout-could-bring-a-hard-frost-chmzkrtfl
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